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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1100 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 10:35:37 »
Since the black blanks don't include a right shift, is there anywhere we can get one? Also, will it be possible to get the printed set with blue legends?
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1101 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 10:38:54 »
Are springs for sale individually?

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« Reply #1102 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 13:29:36 »
Where will these ship from? And what value do you mark them with? Really don't want to be hit with a huge import tax + VAT as the keyboard is already kind of expensive.

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1103 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 14:18:07 »
wouldnt this caps lock key match the hhkb layout or is it in a difrent size?

http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/CTCL
In fact Unicomp does have 1.75 unit non-stepped shift key. You can see that in Unicomp's 106 key Japanese layout, but Unicomp only sells it with the entire set, not as an individual cap.
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1104 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 14:25:35 »
wouldnt this caps lock key match the hhkb layout or is it in a difrent size?

http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/CTCL
In fact Unicomp does have 1.75 unit non-stepped shift key. You can see that in Unicomp's 106 key Japanese layout, but Unicomp only sells it with the entire set, not as an individual cap.

And I'm assuming that's only in beige?

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1105 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 16:19:39 »
wouldnt this caps lock key match the hhkb layout or is it in a difrent size?

http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/CTCL
In fact Unicomp does have 1.75 unit non-stepped shift key. You can see that in Unicomp's 106 key Japanese layout, but Unicomp only sells it with the entire set, not as an individual cap.

And I'm assuming that's only in beige?
It's more of a grey color. Unicomp calls it "pebble". Same color as regular modifiers.
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1106 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 16:28:43 »
wouldnt this caps lock key match the hhkb layout or is it in a difrent size?

http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/CTCL
In fact Unicomp does have 1.75 unit non-stepped shift key. You can see that in Unicomp's 106 key Japanese layout, but Unicomp only sells it with the entire set, not as an individual cap.

And I'm assuming that's only in beige?
It's more of a grey color. Unicomp calls it "pebble". Same color as regular modifiers.
(Image from Unicomp)

Ah, yes. But that's more beige than normal gray, as they also have a gray that they use for the standard caps on the black-cased boards. Would like a gray one as I plan on using a black case with white alphas and gray modifiers.  :cool:

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1107 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 18:43:45 »
Gah I'm paralyzed by choices haha. Color choice, keycap choice, size choice, layout choice....

Oh and sent you a PM with a couple questions about the ordering process Ellipse  :thumb:


*Edit: Order placed! F62 with split shift and split backspace in beige! Thanks again Ellipse!
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« Reply #1108 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 19:02:04 »
Are there going to be any custom keycap colors with dyesubs?  I know there are some custom keycap colors for buckling springs lying around on the internet somewhere but I'm not sure how feasible this will be.  Getting some repros of those sweet bright blue caps from the SSKs would be a cool thing to see.

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« Reply #1109 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:09:53 »
Are there going to be any custom keycap colors with dyesubs?  I know there are some custom keycap colors for buckling springs lying around on the internet somewhere but I'm not sure how feasible this will be.  Getting some repros of those sweet bright blue caps from the SSKs would be a cool thing to see.

I'm curious about this exact thing. A couple of those bright blue keycaps would be just perfect for a faux Industrial SSK. For the HHKB layout, maybe in the 2, 3, and Fn spots?

Edit: http://www.modelfkeyboards.com/product/industrial-ssk-blue-keys/
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1110 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:21:03 »
As it says on the website, they aren't an exact match for the original industrial blue keys, but they look pretty sweet, especially with that extra front printing!

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1111 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:32:37 »
Are there going to be any custom keycap colors with dyesubs?  I know there are some custom keycap colors for buckling springs lying around on the internet somewhere but I'm not sure how feasible this will be.  Getting some repros of those sweet bright blue caps from the SSKs would be a cool thing to see.

It's all up to the Unicomp. Ellipse is sourcing the caps from Unicomp, nothing more, nothing less. If we can get Unicomp to make custom caps, then someone better get on that!

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1112 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:42:13 »
Gah I'm paralyzed by choices haha. Color choice, keycap choice, size choice, layout choice....

Oh and sent you a PM with a couple questions about the ordering process Ellipse  :thumb:


*Edit: Order placed! F62 with split shift and split backspace in beige! Thanks again Ellipse!
Nice!!! I went with all black and split backspace key... I'm gonna make my right ctrl the fn key... should work out pretty good!!!
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« Reply #1113 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:45:33 »
I ordered the 1.75u White Strong & Flexible Polished at http://www.shapeways.com/product/YMFXWFRAK/ibm-model-m-keycap-1-75-non-stepped-v2?li=shop-results&optionId=40367442

Here are some cell phone pics of it next to a unicomp 1u:
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Unfortunately, the cap wiggles a bit when it is on the stem.  You can see the stem doesn't quite sit the whole way down.  It is not enough that I think the cap would come off if you mashed the key, but it is a tad annoying.  Overall I think I would probably use a stepped 1.75 over this, which is too bad  :(.

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1114 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 22:48:30 »
Oh man oh man oh man it's live!

Gib me a few days to pay rent, but I'm totes going poor for the black F62 w/ regular color blanks mostly to keep the springs in place on shipment, ISO enter because I like my backslash accessible, and bolt-on rubber bumpers.

just curious, but why would blanks hold the springs in place better than say the printed ones?

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« Reply #1115 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 22:52:06 »
They're slightly cheaper.
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1116 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 22:53:28 »
Nice!!! I went with all black and split backspace key... I'm gonna make my right ctrl the fn key... should work out pretty good!!!

I was really tempted to go with all black... now I'm second guessing my choice  :p

Did you get the case in black too?
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« Reply #1117 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 23:36:50 »
I was gonna go all black too but I'm thinking of what to do with the right shift. And yeah I went with split backspace as well.
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« Reply #1118 on: Wed, 27 January 2016, 23:50:23 »
I'm going for black with split shift. Stepped capslock isn't ideal but it will do.

Also got a pebble/pearl set to go on it, which should look pretty good with a black case as well.
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1119 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:02:45 »
So this initial order deadline, until the end of February, is for the first batch, but there will be a second batch, right?

This next month is a tight month so I'm trying to prioritize things.

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« Reply #1120 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:02:55 »
Nice!!! I went with all black and split backspace key... I'm gonna make my right ctrl the fn key... should work out pretty good!!!

I was really tempted to go with all black... now I'm second guessing my choice  :p

Did you get the case in black too?
oh yeah and I'm gonna go with the blank RGB mods from unicomp!!!

I think that will look solid and hopefully someday uni will get black blanks back in stock...  :-\
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« Reply #1121 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:12:56 »
This next month is a tight month so I'm trying to prioritize things.

Just loosen every aperture for some severe servicing sunshine, because you have to work hard for this keyboard and appreciate all the sacrifice that goes into owning one of them  ;D .

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« Reply #1122 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:24:12 »
Just loosen every aperture for some severe servicing sunshine, because you have to work hard for this keyboard and appreciate all the sacrifice that goes into owning one of them  ;D .

There is too much goodness here and what with all the stuff coming out by both keycap designers and board makers, I've pretty much given up on any hope for Sir Wallet. RIP little buddy. :p
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« Reply #1123 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:26:48 »
Put in an order for a black F62. Very excited. Thanks for all of your hard work Ellipse.
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« Reply #1124 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:36:22 »
Oh man oh man oh man it's live!

Gib me a few days to pay rent, but I'm totes going poor for the black F62 w/ regular color blanks mostly to keep the springs in place on shipment, ISO enter because I like my backslash accessible, and bolt-on rubber bumpers.

just curious, but why would blanks hold the springs in place better than say the printed ones?

I think he means as opposed to having the board shipped without any caps at all

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« Reply #1125 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:57:12 »
ccc24 Any order received before 2/29 will ship with the early bird round in April/May.  The products labeled "Early bird" on the site are for the early bird volunteers who want to contribute towards tooling, get a lower or special request serial number, and/or get their keyboard a few weeks earlier by moving to the front of the line.  Before opening up the orders I noted that everyone will benefit from these volunteers without having to pay anything extra to participate in the early round. 

Industrial gray, black, and beige are the main offerings for both the F77 and F62.  No extra charge for any of those three powdercoated case colors.

Karura a forum member has created a 3D printed non-stepped short shift key and sells it on Shapeways. 
scumnc just posted his findings earlier in this thread.
http://www.shapeways.com/product/YMFXWFRAK/ibm-model-m-keycap-1-75-non-stepped-v2?optionId=40367439

Yes Karura I asked Unicomp about that key and they only sell it with the full JIS key cap set.  I'd imagine they are using old stock and no longer have molds for that key size; otherwise they could set up the old mold, no?

Karura the cases will be made of zinc or aluminum (most likely zinc).  They will likely be cast from molds as opposed to the CNC milled aluminum prototype cases.

potatowire local pickup would be in Manhattan.  The tooling volunteers pay for everyone's ability to get in on the early bird round without paying anything above the regular prices for everything. 

An announcement that thanks to one extra generous tooling volunteer, we have the needed funds to go ahead with the early bird round (assuming no one drops out of volunteering).

dohbot, it may be possible to add RGB lighting to your F77 and F62 if interested.  I know that PhosphorGlow was able to successfully add lighting to Model M keyboards, which means it should be possible for this keyboard.  The case has plenty of room if you needed to add some kind of lighting controller.

KetchyKech yes you can order brilliant white keys instead - please PM me if you'd like to do that and I will update your order.

Sorry vizir that info was out of date and I have fixed it on the "Extra PCB" product page (did you see it anywhere else?).  All PCBs and keyboards include the controller.  The controller is likely going to be factory soldered onto the main capacitive PCB by a ribbon cable.  At one point I was thinking of soldering just the F77 and having a controller on the same PCB for all the others, but I have since moved to put all the controllers on a separate board to allow for future, more compact case designs for the F62 and F77 that a number of people asked me about.  Sorry no photo with the split backspace.  Check out an unmodified PC AT keyboard for approximately how it would look.

simingma the F77/F62's are on par with my other little-used Model F keyboards.  The factory tested an average of a wide variety of sample Model F springs I had around and determined the average force, which they have successfully created springs within a narrow tolerance range of that force, so that the new Model F keyboards will require the same force as the originals.  Now if you had a really worn out Model F in comparison these would be a little stiffer as all springs loosen up as they are used.

ImAWildDeer you can use a black caps lock and 1U key in place of the right shift (these are included if you order a black set).  Also Unicomp usually includes a right shift key that's not black if you order the black set.  Alternatively you can take their right shift key and dye it black - not sure it would be a perfect match with their black though.

jevvix yes you can contact me to talk about springs.  This is not confirmed but I hope to include a number of extra springs at no extra charge with everyone's order.  I expect to continue using high quality Japanese steel springs (like the prototypes) of a steel that is also used to make piano wire.  But since this is a brand new project and the springs are not time-tested, I don't know how long they will last under usage.

R4WBIT they ship from NY. 

U47 and Limewirelord I offer Industrial SSK custom dyesub keys because Unicomp still makes them and they will do a run of as little as one set for someone.  They are darker in keycap color which makes the legends slightly less easy to read.  Here's what they look like on a keyboard:  http://www.modelfkeyboards.com/product/industrial-ssk-blue-keys/

romevi yes there will be the early group (all orders up to the end of February get into the early group) and the regular group buy runs from March through the end of July.

ccc24/cjhard/fanpeople you are right that you will likely need to re-seat some keycaps and/or springs when your brand new Model F arrives.  All that rough handling during shipping necessitates this in my experience.
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1126 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:31:31 »
If I want brilliant white keys with this and mention that in the note, do I still select APL? I am interested in the hhkb with split right shift and split backspace. What color are the modifiers in the brilliant white set? Are the front printed F1-F12 keys available in brilliant white? What colors can the dye sub be: red, blue, green and black?

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« Reply #1127 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:39:07 »
I was gonna go all black too but I'm thinking of what to do with the right shift. And yeah I went with split backspace as well.



My SSK has known the pain of the missing black blank right shift for a while now :C
I've heard some people had good results with dying them though


oh yeah and I'm gonna go with the blank RGB mods from unicomp!!!

I think that will look solid and hopefully someday uni will get black blanks back in stock...  :-\

That's a good plan, will probably look really nice  :thumb:
I'm kinda contemplating ordering another case in black so I can have both....




Another quick question, can you have a split backspace with full right shift layout?
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« Reply #1128 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:56:47 »
Wow, I have absolutely no clue what variation I want to order... So many choices! I haven't even decided on which model I want. :-\
I need more keyboards to hold all of these keycaps.

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« Reply #1129 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 02:07:40 »
Hey Aussies mates

I plan to buy 2 keyboards, 1 for me and 1 for a friend and it does _save up_ shipping fee. So if you are interested in getting one, we could combine to save more. I could place the order on your behalf and the keyboard then will be picked up by you in Melbourne CBD area.

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« Reply #1130 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 02:09:57 »
What's the best way to modify an order? I selected a black case just this morning but I think the industrial gray color option would look the best, unless a picture of a black case can sway my mind. I'm also undecided whether or not I actually want the industrial blue keycaps but so far I'm thinking no.

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« Reply #1131 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 06:49:39 »
Yes Pemdas you can have full right shift and split backspace if you add a product note for "split backspace" before you add the item to your cart.

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« Reply #1132 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 07:48:03 »
Thanks, Ellipse. Any difference between the early bird run and the regular run?

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1133 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 08:11:35 »
Karura the cases will be made of zinc or aluminum (most likely zinc).  They will likely be cast from molds as opposed to the CNC milled aluminum prototype cases.
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1134 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 09:06:30 »
Karura the cases will be made of zinc or aluminum (most likely zinc).  They will likely be cast from molds as opposed to the CNC milled aluminum prototype cases.
What's the difference between cast zinc and CNC aluminum?
I think the cast one is better? but I don't know just my assumption  :p

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1135 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 10:38:47 »
Does anyone have any pictures of what the split backspace and right shift would look like on a kish? I went full ANSI, but now I'm second guessing myself.
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1136 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 11:15:21 »
Does anyone have any pictures of what the split backspace and right shift would look like on a kish? I went full ANSI, but now I'm second guessing myself.
This is mine. I have a normal shift though.


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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1137 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 17:53:54 »
Ellipse do you already know if the smaller case will cost us about the same or in which price range the adittion will be?
Since there is not so much demand for a smaller f62 case. Will they be CNC aluminium? Zinc will be heavier. And so less atractive to carry around.
Can you tell something about the weight the keyboard has in its current configuration?

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1138 on: Thu, 28 January 2016, 18:01:12 »
Vizir-APL is a keyset with special legends.  APL keys are not offered in brilliant white - just regular pearl/pebble or gray.  Not sure of the modifier color of the white set - does anyone know?  Yes unicomp's web site appears to offer brilliant white front printed function keys.

Zapheo you have plenty of time to decide :)  The order window doesn't close until 2/29.

ika please PM me to change your order, once you have finalized your decision on the change!

romevi the difference in the runs will be when your keyboard arrives - April/May (early bird) or August/September (expected - regular round).  Pricing is not any higher for the early bird round so I don't think it's a good idea to have to wait more than half a year from now for your keyboard :)

ctm zinc and aluminum are just different types of metal.  zinc is a lot denser/heavier, about twice as heavy as aluminum.  The early original 4704s were likely zinc or some other dense metal, and the later models with refurbed cases were likely aluminum.  Otherwise there's not much difference.

againer the intention is for the smaller case option to cost the same amount as the keyboards with the regular case, assuming there's enough interest.  All you'd need to buy extra is the smaller bottom inner assembly and the new case - all the other parts would be compatible. 

Yes the smaller cases would likely be aluminum so that they are better for travel.  F62 keyboards would probably be 3-5 pounds with the smaller aluminum case.

I have no final stats on the weight but based on my supplier estimations, the total shipping weight would be 10-11 pounds for the F62 and F77 zinc case keyboards (of course the F62 would weigh a little less).

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1139 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:31:21 »
An update on the smaller cases - the smaller cases are happening but they will not likely be available for order for at least 2-3 weeks.  Please PM me if you're interested in a smaller case and haven't told me already.

Would people prefer anodized or powdercoated for the smaller aluminum cases?  Is everyone fine with the smaller extruded metal design posted earlier (and re-posted below)?  You would be saving about 1 to 2 inches off the sides and about one inch in the controller area.

I also expect to make a removable USB cable option for the extruded aluminum case, either through a cable or through allowing access to the USB connector on the PCB (the former seems like the preferable solution I think?).

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1140 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 17:49:07 »
I would prefer anodized only because I have many anodized cases and I'll go on the record for saying that the anodized cases out today are very clean and perfect looking.

I get that powder coat is traditional, however the anodized is clean and perfect. Definitely +1 for anodized if I had any say to it. Especially on aluminum.

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1141 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 17:55:27 »
I would be in for onr of these and i would +1 on the anodized simply to give this the complete modern look. Then we have the traditional version and a modern version

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1142 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 18:12:45 »
couldn't you just do hhkb without the split shift and make 1.5 right ctrl your fn key...

I think that's what I'm gonna do, but now I have to message ellipse to change my order xD

I need that merdered out setup!!!

That's how I have mine set up right now and it works really well.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1143 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 18:46:17 »
couldn't you just do hhkb without the split shift and make 1.5 right ctrl your fn key...

I think that's what I'm gonna do, but now I have to message ellipse to change my order xD

I need that merdered out setup!!!

That's how I have mine set up right now and it works really well.  :thumb:
Same here. It takes a few mess ups when I switch from my HHKB, but its just as easy.

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1144 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 01:17:26 »
I'd be in for a small case, anodised would be nice, and I like the sound of removable USB.
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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1145 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 13:08:28 »
I'm liking the looks of the modern kish!
Would we be able to switch over to that one once it's done, or would the normal ones already be getting made?
just wondering
 

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1146 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 13:28:12 »
Yes Ir0n you can switch to the newer case.  It does require opening up your keyboard though.  I expect to put up an instructional video on how to do it for those new to Model F keyboard refurbishing.

All parts are interchangeable with the regular case and new small case, except for the bottom inner assembly plate ($20) because it needs to be made smaller to fit inside the new smaller case.

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1147 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 15:19:11 »
I would vote for anodized over powdercoated when it comes to the small case.
I would like a black case if that is possible.  A detatchable USB cable and I get a modern 60% Buckling Spring Keyboard with some nice switches  :)
Does 3-4 Weeks until we can order the little case implies that it could be ready for the first round?


When it comes to the default layou, I would suggest you do think about some kind of Space FN layout. But since I gonna do some individual  layout configuration this is not  important for myself.

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1148 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 15:20:39 »
so i think i want a kish with split right shift, when i select black keys, it says its missing the right shift, does this apply even if i select split right shift layout?

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Re: [IC] F62+F77 orders now open! New Kishsaver+Industrial Model F Keyboards
« Reply #1149 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 15:25:08 »
so i think i want a kish with split right shift, when i select black keys, it says its missing the right shift, does this apply even if i select split right shift layout?

No, you'll get a second capslock key instead, which is used for the rshift in the split layout. What they're missing is the fullsize right shift.
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