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Only real issue I can see right now is that the colorway is the same as another set in IC : JTK space camp, but I love the theme and novelties! Great job!
Only real issue I can see right now is that the colorway is the same as another set in IC : JTK space camp, but I love the theme and novelties! Great job!
Just some kitting thoughts:yes please
Add an extra tab to your hiragana kit, it adds some flexibility so in theory someone can buy it and fill 2 different boards (e.g. 1 tsangan style, 1 standard style).
Congratulations on this IC! Seems there's a lot of love for this set in thread, so I hope getting it to GB is a straightforward process for you and others.
That said, I do find it challenging to overlook similarities between this and Space Camp. One of these color palettes belongs to JTK Space Camp: MARS. The other is GMK Wise Wolf.Show Image(https://imgur.com/hwUx5YZ.png)Show Image(https://imgur.com/FY97byi.png)
It doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out which is which, because we've been handed all six swatches across both ICs, but you could likely swap novelties or accents from one onto the other with almost zero impact to the on-desk aesthetic.
It really seems like the similarity is unintentional. I don't mean to call you out!! I guess my Q is to the long-time participants of the community in thread. Folks seem to love both sets, and designers have put lots of effort into both. They seem to have emerged independently. So...now what?
Congratulations on this IC! Seems there's a lot of love for this set in thread, so I hope getting it to GB is a straightforward process for you and others.
That said, I do find it challenging to overlook similarities between this and Space Camp. One of these color palettes belongs to JTK Space Camp: MARS. The other is GMK Wise Wolf.Show Image(https://imgur.com/hwUx5YZ.png)Show Image(https://imgur.com/FY97byi.png)
It doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out which is which, because we've been handed all six swatches across both ICs, but you could likely swap novelties or accents from one onto the other with almost zero impact to the on-desk aesthetic.
It really seems like the similarity is unintentional. I don't mean to call you out!! I guess my Q is to the long-time participants of the community in thread. Folks seem to love both sets, and designers have put lots of effort into both. They seem to have emerged independently. So...now what?
So I'd like to additionally address the comparison made to another set. I just learned about the other set today. While there are similarities color, it seems they have different values for Hue, Lightness, and Chroma, especially since Space Camp uses Pantone colors. Though, I don't have a pantone book to compare physical samples, only RAL. I have been working on this set for quite some time before the other IC was posted. Also I waited over 14 weeks in a render queue with someone else before Bachoo picked up my request and saved me from my over 14 week wait. If you want to see where I got my inspiration from enjoy this picture :)Can we have the pic without the beige on the leftShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/mEeV9S4.jpg)
So I'd like to additionally address the comparison made to another set. I just learned about the other set today. While there are similarities color, it seems they have different values for Hue, Lightness, and Chroma, especially since Space Camp uses Pantone colors. Though, I don't have a pantone book to compare physical samples, only RAL. I have been working on this set for quite some time before the other IC was posted. Also I waited over 14 weeks in a render queue with someone else before Bachoo picked up my request and saved me from my over 14 week wait. If you want to see where I got my inspiration from enjoy this picture :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mEeV9S4.jpg)
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/oNCD0kJ.jpg)
I'm sorry, but these are the exact same.
I get that they are different in theme, but at the same time, these sets cannot run at the same time.
Rudy and Demon Sword were different, they have different accents and alpha colors, which sets them apart from each other.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/oNCD0kJ.jpg)
I'm sorry, but these are the exact same.
I get that they are different in theme, but at the same time, these sets cannot run at the same time.
Rudy and Demon Sword were different, they have different accents and alpha colors, which sets them apart from each other.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BltjDch.png)
lol
So I'd like to additionally address the comparison made to another set. I just learned about the other set today. While there are similarities color, it seems they have different values for Hue, Lightness, and Chroma, especially since Space Camp uses Pantone colors. Though, I don't have a pantone book to compare physical samples, only RAL. I have been working on this set for quite some time before the other IC was posted. Also I waited over 14 weeks in a render queue with someone else before Bachoo picked up my request and saved me from my over 14 week wait. If you want to see where I got my inspiration from enjoy this picture :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mEeV9S4.jpg)
Congratulations on this IC! Seems there's a lot of love for this set in thread, so I hope getting it to GB is a straightforward process for you and others.
That said, I do find it challenging to overlook similarities between this and Space Camp. One of these color palettes belongs to JTK Space Camp: MARS. The other is GMK Wise Wolf.Show Image(https://imgur.com/hwUx5YZ.png)Show Image(https://imgur.com/FY97byi.png)
It doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out which is which, because we've been handed all six swatches across both ICs, but you could likely swap novelties or accents from one onto the other with almost zero impact to the on-desk aesthetic.
It really seems like the similarity is unintentional. I don't mean to call you out!! I guess my Q is to the long-time participants of the community in thread. Folks seem to love both sets, and designers have put lots of effort into both. They seem to have emerged independently.
Damn this guy was getting dumped on for being 'similar to GMK Delta': https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109334.0
yet look at the support here... not saying that this set isn't good, but I wish GH were not so rude to the other guy!
Omg I love Holo
ne spice and wolf S3 avail T-T
that said, the kitting looks alright, though I'd probably remove some keys like
- Pg Up R3
- Pg Dn R4
- 1.5u Supers R4
- 2u Shift R4
for a bit of savings
And yes, yen sign on pipe please.
Other than that, definitely in my considerations. I'll post more if I get any more ideas (would suggest R5 bottom row but it'd probably get pricey)
Just some kitting thoughts:
Add an extra tab to your hiragana kit, it adds some flexibility so in theory someone can buy it and fill 2 different boards (e.g. 1 tsangan style, 1 standard style). Additionally, since you've got a mod colored ~` you might as well add a mod colored |\ key too.
For base, going with full UK iso, the extra 1.5u supers, 2u shift, and 2x1u ctrl/alt is making it pretty thicc and might push pricing.
Outstanding - 100% in!
Gotta say though... missed opportunity to call it "GMK Korbo" =P
Just some kitting thoughts:
Add an extra tab to your hiragana kit, it adds some flexibility so in theory someone can buy it and fill 2 different boards (e.g. 1 tsangan style, 1 standard style). Additionally, since you've got a mod colored ~` you might as well add a mod colored |\ key too.
For base, going with full UK iso, the extra 1.5u supers, 2u shift, and 2x1u ctrl/alt is making it pretty thicc and might push pricing.
Thank you for the suggestion about the extra tab the hiragana understand now why that's a thing. As for adding UK ISO in the base kit, as this is my first set, I feel having a separate MOQ for that kit may not be reaches. I did also remove a Pg Up and Pg Dn in my base kit to help with that cost.
This is great! Holo is certainly best girl. Also, you should definitely try for an apple RAMA cap. That would tip the scales for sure.
Update Log:
11/4/2020 - Fixed some kitting issues. In base kit removed a set of Pg Up and Pg Dn. Added Yen sign to hiragana kit, added mod color |\, and added extra tab. Added 1.75u concave in spacebars kit. Added 1.25 tab in the 40% kit.
I don't think you should do a separate ISO kit, for the reasons you mentioned.+1
I mean for most buyers, doing physical ISO support (via something like R3 |\ and r4 <>) is generally acceptable. The extra R1 caps just add a decent amount of fluff that don't really seem to make too much of a difference, in my experience at least.
Update Log:
11/4/2020 - Fixed some kitting issues. In base kit removed a set of Pg Up and Pg Dn. Added Yen sign to hiragana kit, added mod color |\, and added extra tab. Added 1.75u concave in spacebars kit. Added 1.25 tab in the 40% kit.
I'm sorry, but most of these are backwards from what they should be, lol. Revert all of them (except for the mod-colored 1.5u pipe and the 1.25u Tab in 40s).
Rather than removing keys for the most popular layout in the community (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for 65%), you should remove keys that are completely unused on any modern ≥60% board (second 1u Ctrl) or keys that less than 3% (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyY5EjTfzo6YXp_xwQYN_ffcoB0fXdNl8nc0WDteobs/edit?usp=sharing) of users in the community can use (ISO-UK).
Also, having a yen sign in an ANSI-based set with hiragana sublegends is inaccurate (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108328.msg2950676#msg2950676). That should also be removed.
Spacekeys in a 40s kit are a must with GMK pricing (2× 1c, 2c, 2.25c, 2.75c). 1.75c shouldn't be in the spacebar kit (since there are no non-40% boards that use it), but rather the 40s kit, and only optionally at that.
The inclusion of ISO-UK here is thematic and practical. If you'd read the thread you would understand that. Statistics aren't everything.
The set has a full column for 65% support.
1u R4 CTRL is used in some 1800 layouts, and mainstream 65% boards, as well as 60%s with righthand arrows. Nutty owns 3 of the latter. Let the him design to his preferences as well, the base kit has a lot of mainstream compatibility.
As far as "correct legends" go, there are differing opinions regarding ¥ on pipe/backslash. It seems that despite the fact you speak and complain with an authoritative manner as to legends so often, you're not always right (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109341.msg2974574#msg2974574).
Advocating for the absence of ¥ is like being in favor of getting rid of tertiary legends for sublegend base kits, like in PuLSE's Arabic and Hangul kits. JIS-JP should be the standard to follow.
Likewise, for the 65% support, it's at least what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is. If you wanted R3 Pg Up and R4 Pg Dn, perhaps you might want to push for an "Extension" or different child kit of sorts. I would rather see the OP trim the fat on the base kit to keep costs as low as possible while maintaining a minimal standard for support of most layouts.
Advocating for the absence of ¥ is like being in favor of getting rid of tertiary legends for sublegend base kits, like in PuLSE's Arabic and Hangul kits. JIS-JP should be the standard to follow.
Well, JIS-JP does not have ¥ anywhere on the same layer as kana characters. By that logic, it would be even less correct to have it as a quaternary legend in a set like this. If we were to follow JIS-JP in this regard (which isn't entirely appropriate to begin with since the layouts are physically incompatible, and you end up with crucial characters missing altogether; see the ModernJA thread), the correct legend for the pipe key would be ¥|ー, not \|む¥. Either way you look at it, putting ¥ in that top-right position in GMK is inaccurate/misleading/misrepresents the layout (in fact, misrepresents both layouts, JIS-based and ANSI-based).
Honestly, I'm not seeing how this is analogous to removing tertiary legends in Arabic or Hangul kits like you mentioned. It really isn't, in my opinion; not at all. Consider the following:For this reason, you could perhaps say that it would be appropriate to put ¥ (or, for that matter, ₩) in the base (bottom-left) position of the pipe keycap (¥|む, ₩|). That approach would be slightly more okay — but even then it's debatable, if the rest of the keycap set is based on US-ANSI. But as far as the top-right position for ¥ goes, that's inappropriate in any case.
- In kits with Arabic sublegends:
- Tertiary legends represent which Arabic letters you get when typing using the Arabic language layout.
- Quaternary legends represent which Arabic letters you get while also holding Shift. (GMK Pulse did not have any quaternary legends in its Arabic kit.)
- In kits with Hangul sublegends:
- Tertiary legends represent which jamo you get when typing using the Korean language layout, in Hangul mode (toggled using the RAlt 한/영 key by default).
- Quaternary legends represent which jamo you get in Hangul mode while also holding Shift (double consonants).
- The won sign is on neither the tertiary (Hangul) nor quaternary (Hangul+Shift) “layers”, therefore it is not appropriate to put it in either of those positions on a keycap.
Instead, the won sign is displayed as a graphical representation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Won_sign#Microsoft_Windows) of the regular backslash \ character on PCs with the system locale set to KR. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's possible to type the actual Unicode ₩ character using standard Korean IMEs on PC.- In kits with hiragana/katakana sublegends:
- Tertiary legends represent which kana or punctuation marks you get when typing using the Japanese language layout, in Kana mode (toggled using the Kana key on JIS, or Alt+~ on ANSI by default).
- Quaternary legends represent which characters you get in kana mode while also holding Shift (small kana, を and a few additional punctuation marks).
- The yen sign is on neither the tertiary (Kana) nor quaternary (Kana+Shift) “layers”, therefore it is not appropriate to put it in either of those positions on a keycap.
Instead, the yen sign is available either as a graphical representation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yen_and_yuan_sign#Microsoft_Windows) of the regular backslash character \ on PCs with the system locale set to JP; or as the base, non-Shifted output of the pipe key in IME mode (which is different from Kana mode).
But yeah, the point is that all of those layouts behave consistently, so I believe that our keycaps should be consistent with that behavior, too.
Of course, please feel free to correct me if I've gotten any of those specifics wrong, especially with regard to the Korean layout/IME (I've checked with two Korean users, but I don't use it myself so I can't be sure). This breakdown is primarily based on how these layouts work on Windows and Linux, and it doesn't take into account how they work on Mac (although it is similar) because layouts on Mac come with their own set of idiosyncrasies, and 99% of keycap sets are based on PC layouts anyway.Likewise, for the 65% support, it's at least what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is. If you wanted R3 Pg Up and R4 Pg Dn, perhaps you might want to push for an "Extension" or different child kit of sorts. I would rather see the OP trim the fat on the base kit to keep costs as low as possible while maintaining a minimal standard for support of most layouts.
Well, first of all, they do complain. Here's a little compilation of posts asking for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to be included in ICs here on GH (not including my own posts). These are the result of a quick search of posts in the IC subforum over the past 6 months. Let's compare that to, say, posts asking for 1.5u Supers in that same time period (again, not including my own posts).
Posts asking for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn: 1 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106437.msg2905933#msg2905933) 2 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105484.msg2906321#msg2906321) 3 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106351.msg2904064#msg2904064) 4 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102149.msg2909947#msg2909947) 5 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106271.msg2915595#msg2915595) 6 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105484.msg2909082#msg2909082) 7 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99913.msg2921213#msg2921213) 8 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2890912#msg2890912) 9 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2891006#msg2891006) 10 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101922.msg2931572#msg2931572) 11 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2911667#msg2911667) 12 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2917236#msg2917236) 13 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103284.msg2921221#msg2921221) 14 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108867.msg2963911#msg2963911) 15 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105407.msg2906766#msg2906766) 16 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2917276#msg2917276) 17 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98238.msg2920772#msg2920772) 18 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98238.msg2920949#msg2920949) 19 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2903351#msg2903351) 20 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108831.msg2965796#msg2965796)
Posts asking for 1.5u Super/Code/Command: 1 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107383.msg2942613#msg2942613) 2 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107383.msg2948026#msg2948026) 3 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107433.msg2931725#msg2931725) 4 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2934237#msg2934237) 5 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2937154#msg2937154) 6 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106157.msg2898923#msg2898923) 7 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108867.msg2964715#msg2964715) 8 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108867.msg2964770#msg2964770) 9 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108328.msg2974499#msg2974499) 10 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108119.msg2951503#msg2951503) 11 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.msg2953771#msg2953771) 12 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108877.msg2964408#msg2964408) 13 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108764.msg2962378#msg2962378) 14 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109035.msg2972532#msg2972532) 15 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108918.msg2967944#msg2967944) 16 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107592.msg2935700#msg2935700) 17 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109160.msg2971009#msg2971009)
Looks like it's pretty close.
Personally, I am a big fan of such “Extension” kits as it were, especially for situating “alternative” options such as R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, 1.5u Supers, full ISO-UK support etc. There are two main reasons why I did not suggest going that route here (and in most other sets' cases thus far):
- The runner chose to have a comprehensive base kit that covers most popular layouts, and included “alternative keys” for several of those layouts (as described in my reply to Xerpocalypse). Therefore, I think that R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn would be appropriate inclusions in such a base kit. To a lesser extent, I also don't want to suggest the runner add any additional kits, seeing as this is GMK and also their very first keyset project (which, by the way, great job for a first project!).
- Such extension kits don't seem to sell well. For example, GMK MoDo 2 (https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a02c663268b961642ad2bbf/1589683738450-R56NODUGU9TK8SJ5AA0N/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPTrHXgsMrSIMwe6YW3w1AZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0k5fwC0WRNFJBIXiBeNI5fKTrY37saURwPBw8fO2esROAxn-RKSrlQamlL27g22X2A/Kit_Addition.jpg) and GMK Minimal 2 (https://i.imgur.com/C4UIuTV.jpg)'s Addition kits only sold 6.8% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106764.msg2930487#msg2930487) and 10.5% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107868.msg2954072#msg2954072) of base kit sales, respectively, despite these kits being everything I could ask for (especially as a R1 owner of both sets, you bet I grabbed a couple). It's a fair assumption that, had this been some other set — say, one that had barely met 250 MOQ in base kit sales — an Addition kit such as this would not have met its MOQ, or would have needed to be bought out by vendors.
On the other hand, I noticed that GMK Dolch R5 (https://i.imgur.com/p92FDp7.png)'s Extension kit did quite well in comparison (which I found a bit surprising, given its size), so something like that would, in my opinion, definitely be worth exploring in future sets. Also, I'm a big fan of super tiny extension kits, such as the one found in GMK Yuri R2 (https://i.imgur.com/YqC2vey.png), and I'm looking forward to seeing how that does (and especially how it's going to be priced; you know my R1 Yuri is aching for those accent arrow keys ;)).
^^^ Plz include TLDR.
^^^ Plz include TLDR.
tl;dr: I provide arguments for what I said previously and also apologize for coming off as an ******* initially.
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Now, taking a step back and reading through my post, I definitely sounded like an *******. I apologize, it was not my intention. The post was written in a hurry, and I edited it a whole bunch of times to try and get everything I wanted to say in. In hindsight, I should have waited until I had time to write a proper post in which I could relay my thoughts and suggestions in a more appropriate manner. Instead, I ended up sounding like an abrasive, authoritative ****. Again, I apologize. I had no ill intentions, neither towards Nutty nor anyone else who may have helped with the design of this set. Despite not agreeing with some of the recent kitting decisions, I actually like the colorway very much. This sort of was the reason why I was somewhat taken aback seeing those changes made to a base kit that at first looked really appealing to me.
Oh boy, the xolor police is in full force now. Even trying to dictate whether you are allowed to run this set or not.
GMK another weeb set doesn't appeal to me, but I am really tired of these people trying to enforce non-existent laws.
If possible, pls have a SEA vendor for the set.
Btw, deskmat looking great :)
Please no centered design deskmat -- centered designs get covered when keyboards are placed on them :))
Only thing I'm not fond of on this set is the S,W novelty keys. To me they feel like they
clash a bit, but then again I'm the only one complaining lol. If I had my choice i'd switch it to
a paw print and maybe come coins
Only thing I'm not fond of on this set is the S,W novelty keys. To me they feel like they
clash a bit, but then again I'm the only one complaining lol. If I had my choice i'd switch it to
a paw print and maybe come coins
Nah, you're not alone. It's the only kit I didn't check in the IC Form. The Ye Olde English homage to Spice & Wolf feels liks it clashes with both the normal base kit and the hiragana kit imho. I think a redesign might sway me though. Even a simple [Spice] and [Wolf] would be nice replacements for Ctrl and Alt. Maybe a Wolf head icon for the Win/Super keys as well.
But I've said, I already like this set and colorway so let's see what the results of the IC are.
I thought about a wolf head but it felt kinda meme-y to since all I could think about was generic wolf howling in the moonlight designs lol.
I’m currently working on some changes to the novelties. I will be removing some keys while adding some new novelties which are in the works which will related to aspects of the series for travel and economy which I realize I missed those motifs.
My biggest priority is compatibility to the majority. So I’m making some conscious decisions while deciding what to remove and add since I want to keep cost down. This being my first set, I’m just trying to make sure I appeal to most people. Thank you to everyone so far for the support and feedback.
Extra note, I’m my last senior semester of college and finals are coming up so bare with me if there is a little silence.
I thought about a wolf head but it felt kinda meme-y to since all I could think about was generic wolf howling in the moonlight designs lol.
I’m currently working on some changes to the novelties. I will be removing some keys while adding some new novelties which are in the works which will related to aspects of the series for travel and economy which I realize I missed those motifs.
My biggest priority is compatibility to the majority. So I’m making some conscious decisions while deciding what to remove and add since I want to keep cost down. This being my first set, I’m just trying to make sure I appeal to most people. Thank you to everyone so far for the support and feedback.
Extra note, I’m my last senior semester of college and finals are coming up so bare with me if there is a little silence.
Made some changes to the novelties. I removed the 2u tail, 2.25u wheat, 1u S, and 1u W. I added two new designs. A wagon wheel and a coin were added to symbolize travel and economics.
I felt that removing the 1u's made the most sense in terms of compatibility since the few layout that use the 1u keys usually are paired with 1.5u as well. As for the deletion of the 2u tail and 2.25u wheat, I thought this was a decent decision as I wanted to cut the cost down and felt that most people would use one novelty over the other. Additional I cut them to compensate for adding the new designs for r4 novelties since there was some feedback of people who were not a fan of the S and W keys.
BeforeShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Urp9rwE.jpg)
AfterShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/S2bltmX.jpg)
Made some changes to the novelties. I removed the 2u tail, 2.25u wheat, 1u S, and 1u W. I added two new designs. A wagon wheel and a coin were added to symbolize travel and economics.I wish we had at least 2x 1u novelties for the bottom row of a 7u layout (1.5/1/1.5/7/1.5/1/1.5) with no blockers. They can serve as Win/OS keys.
I felt that removing the 1u's made the most sense in terms of compatibility since the few layout that use the 1u keys usually are paired with 1.5u as well. As for the deletion of the 2u tail and 2.25u wheat, I thought this was a decent decision as I wanted to cut the cost down and felt that most people would use one novelty over the other. Additional I cut them to compensate for adding the new designs for r4 novelties since there was some feedback of people who were not a fan of the S and W keys.
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Any updates on the kitting in base, hiragana, spacebars and 40s? Those kits still have issues that we talked about earlier in the thread.
I wish we had at least 2x 1u novelties for the bottom row of a 7u layout (1.5/1/1.5/7/1.5/1/1.5) with no blockers. They can serve as Win/OS keys.
I just made some kitting updates. The novelties I have the wagon wheel removed and added additional pairs of the r4 coin novelty for symmetry who won't be using the S and W. In the 40's kit I have now added the spacebars to avoid them buying both 40's and spacebars kit.
Not going to be making any changes in regards to the Yen on pipe, I personally like it.
As for the spacebar kit it will be staying the same as users of layouts like alice and some other unique layouts.
With the 40's kit I will be adding some of the spacebars into it to hopefully not require 40's to buy both 40's and the spacebar kit.
Thank you so much for the Novelties + Spacebar kits updates! Excellent; I am excited for this set to run in the future.
I saw your comment on the Hanami GB and made me discover this IC.
Awesome and cute looking set.
But same as Hanami Dango, I really don't think alternate Alphas work for GMK due to cost.
I strongly believe that the people prefering the Hiraganas sublegend would be about 50%. And being forced into a 130$+ base kit just to use under 15 keys (for a 65% or under), and even less if you go for the novelties feels horrible.
Please have the option between a Base Alpha kit and a Base Hiragana Kit. Or have the modifiers available as a separate kit so Hiragana buyers aren't forced to spend 130$+ for using just a few keys. It's also such a waste to let that many keys in the box.
The pricing on Hanami was 85$ for the alternate Alphas, and I assume this would be very similar.
I would really hate to have to pass on another set I like because of this.
ps: A rama would be awesome. A red espace key with an Apple like in the novelties with the vibrant color that alumium provides would be stunning.
however I will not be including hiragana in the base set to keep it more natural to the setting of the series being based on medieval Europe.
Did you even read the IC?
I really don't think alternate Alphas work for GMK due to cost.I strongly believe that the people prefering the Hiraganas sublegend would be about 50%. And being forced into a 130$+ base kit just to use under 15 keys (for a 65% or under), and even less if you go for the novelties feels horrible.
Please have the option between a Base Alpha kit and a Base Hiragana Kit. Or have the modifiers available as a separate kit so Hiragana buyers aren't forced to spend 130$+ for using just a few keys. It's also such a waste to let that many keys in the box.
The pricing on Hanami was 85$ for the alternate Alphas, and I assume this would be very similar.
I would really hate to have to pass on another set I like because of this.
ps: A rama would be awesome. A red espace key with an Apple like in the novelties with the vibrant color that alumium provides would be stunning.
Thanks for your response. I'd like to reiterate a few suggestions which you didn't touch on and which I believe are important, and I'd also like to add in a few new ones.MoreIn the base kit, please consider removing the second R4 1u Ctrl — a key which isn't used by any modern keyboards (all ≥60% boards use at most one 1u Ctrl) — and in its place adding R3 Pg Up, R4 Pg Dn, which are keys preferred by many 65% and 75% users. The R2, R3 variants that are currently in the kit are not a viable substitute for these keys in most cases and for most people that use them.
The way I see it, not including R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn while including obscure things such as 2u Shift and second 1u Ctrl is not a very *cough* wise *cough* move. There are very few people that use those keys (even fewer than there are ISO-UK and 1.5u Super users), whereas 65% and 75% layouts are huge in the community, and a good portion of those users require R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for their layouts.
Another thing to note in the base kit is that you should either add the missing ¦ sublegend to the R1 `¬ key, or remove the 4$€ key and go fully sublegend-free (note that UK support works just as well without it). The latter option is probably more advisable since not only would it let you cut a not-that-important key from an already large base kit, but also because you don't have any AltGr keys in the set, and sublegends in European layouts are inherently tied to AltGr.
You mentioned that you'd like to keep the yen sign out of personal preference — that's fine, but you should still update the 0)わを and -_ほー keys to have the correct sublegends. Namely, the を glyph should be the same size as the を below it, and the second key should have a ー in the top-right corner (this is a special character used when typing Japanese, not a regular dash). Here's an example (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735179686186844202/746114733308117053/gmk_js_kit_01_base.jpg).
I also recommend you include a R3 1u #~む key in the hiragana kit for basic ISO support with hiragana sublegends.
The following keys should be removed from the spacebars kit because they are not used outside of 40% boards (and 40% have their own kit):In their place, I recommend adding two 3c spacebars. This will allow the kit to cover boards that use 3u space, as well as boards that support standard split 7u configurations (3u+1u+3u).
- 1.75c;
- second 1c.
You may also want to consider adding red accent 6.25c and 7c spacebars to this kit.
Finally, I see a few issues and have a few suggestions for the 40% kit:
- The first issue is the lack of a R3 1.5u Enter, which is one of the essential 40s keys. Without it, the R2 1.75u Backspace and R4 1.75u Lock that are in the kit cannot be used.
- The following keys can be removed:
- R3 1.25u Control (very rarely used, def not worth including);
- 1.25c space (never used on 40% boards).
- The 40% community has recently started recommending that designers exclude R4 1.75u Lock and 1.75c space from their GMK 40% kits because these keys are realistically no longer used commonly enough to be justified. This would be my recommendation to you as well, and it should help keep the price of the kit more reasonable, while not sacrificing utility.
- I suggest including a R4 1.5u Shift. This key is useful for UT47.2 (popular, widely available 40%), Whimsy (upcoming premium 40%) and similar 40s boards, as well as some larger boards: Evolv (75%), Raine (mini-1800).
- It would be good to change the R3 1u Tab key to a more generic legend, e.g. Code, to give ortho users more flexibility and support more layouts. Tab, as it turns out, is one of the less popular options (https://imgur.com/OVofoyd) in this position on ortho boards.
- Planck and Preonic users like to use a mod-colored R3 1u '"; it's a part of the default layouts for these boards. You may, optionally, want to include this key in the kit.
An aside, I'm finished up with finals and I should be graduating in the next few days with my BS. With that being said, I will be more active and involved in my project again. I look forward to the future for this!
Excited to announce an NA vendor and GB slot have been secured. GB is currently expected for August 2021.
New kitting fixes and renders coming soon to address some issues and feedback. All kits except for the novelties will have some changes, most are related to 40's and hiragana kits.
Excited to announce an NA vendor and GB slot have been secured. GB is currently expected for August 2021.
New kitting fixes and renders coming soon to address some issues and feedback. All kits except for the novelties will have some changes, most are related to 40's and hiragana kits.
Just made quite a few changes to the kitting. All the kit changes in the update log expect for the 40's overhaul.
Since you added 半角/全角, your hiragana should also get a R1 1u `~ー key to complete JIS support (which is what the former key is used for). At that point, you might as well include 6.25c and 7c spacebars in the kit and make it viable as a standalone purchase (e.g. for combining with other sets).
Your base, spacebars and 40% kits still have a few keys that have no practical or justifiable uses. Specifically:These can be removed.
- second 1u Ctrl in base;
- 1.75c space in spacebars;
- second 1c space in spacebars;
- 1.25c space in 40%.
As far as 40s are concerned, I'm not an expert but I referred Nutty to someone who I trust in the 40s community for kitting advice, and the 1.25c space stayed. Min/maxing a kit like 40s seems like a good idea, but it's definitely something that would be better polled with a larger sample of 40s users.
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I'm not sure if the tooling for that key exists as of right now. GMK's catalogue isn't public, either. If the tooling doesn't exist, the cost of making it will be factored into both the kit's MOQ and ultimately the cost of the kit for buyers.
Kit bloat such as adding spacebars to hiragana kits, on top of tab, on top of ISO support (since GMK JIS tooling is in its infancy), is how we get to $70+ Hiragana alphas kits. From what I've seen, mixing keysets is a pretty uncommon practice.
On the other hand, removing the additional 1c and 1.75c spacebars from a kit designed to affordably extend compatibility to less common layouts, when it will not appreciably affect the cost of the kit to do so, is asinine.
The kit is small in comparison to many spacebar kits, contains a single color of spacebar, and does not include doubleshot keys. It won't be expensive. It's better to have that extra compatibility in this case, especially when you consider price.
As far as 40s are concerned, I'm not an expert but I referred Nutty to someone who I trust in the 40s community for kitting advice, and the 1.25c space stayed. Min/maxing a kit like 40s seems like a good idea, but it's definitely something that would be better polled with a larger sample of 40s users.
Kit updates are in. Requesting for pricing now. The only thing that I can think of that could potentially change in kitting is instead of offering ISO-UK I may change to generic ISO, however my preference is keeping ISO-UK.
I just noticed that my new renders seem a bit inconsistent. As compared to the board renders there is a difference and looks more orange than brown making it feel less natural. I will try to get this fixed up. When compared to my RAL deck, the new renders are more orange.
Edit: Fixed the colors to be more accurate.
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Update Log:
11/4/2020 - Fixed some kitting issues. In base kit removed a set of Pg Up and Pg Dn. Added Yen sign to hiragana kit, added mod color |\, and added extra tab. Added 1.75u concave in spacebars kit. Added 1.25 tab in the 40% kit.
11/14/2020 - Gave an update to the vendors/proxies so far.
11/17/2020 - Added the deskmat mat design Bountiful Harvest.
11/20/2020 - Added the deskmat mat design Quiet Tavern.
11/21/2020 - Got a proxy/vendor for the Southeast Asia region.
12/01/2020 - Made some changes with the novelties. Removed some keys to cut cost while adding new designs for r4.
12/14/2020 - Update to novelties. Removed the wagon wheel, added pairs of 1u, 1.25u, and 1.5u. Included spacebars in 40's kit.
12/17/2020 - Got an NA vendor. Secured GB slot for August 2021.
12/18/2020 - Kit updates. Removed 4€ from base kit. Added 半角/全角, |\む¥, and ><ろ. Changed the を and ー to full width. Added two 3u c to the spacebar kit. A lot of revisions to 40's kit.
1/4/2021 - Kit updates. On base kits removed extra 1u Ctrl, added r3 PgUp and r4 PgDn. Changed Hiragana alt alpha kit to a Hiragana base kit. On Hiragana kit fixed missing ¥ on r3 \| and added r1 1u `~ー. On spacebars kit added accent color spacebars in 6.25u and 7u. 40's kits minimized. Additional thanks to konstantin and others in the 40's discord for this break down of coverage (https://i.imgur.com/1L58Xl3.png).
2/10/2021 - Still working on kitting, but in order to reach projected pricing ISO-UK will be getting switched for generic ISO. Collab for keyboard sleeves announced with Mechfashion.
With all the discussion in the community surrounding the statement from GMK and the issues of unlicensed sets that are infringing on IP's/copyrights, I just wanted to let you know that I'm currently in the process of contacting the right parties. While I did have the GB planned for August, moving forward I would like to do this the legit way so that August date may or may not be correct depending on how stuff plans out with licensors. Hoping for the best! I would love see my dream of this set come to fruition.
Thank you for your support!
With all the discussion in the community surrounding the statement from GMK and the issues of unlicensed sets that are infringing on IP's/copyrights, I just wanted to let you know that I'm currently in the process of contacting the right parties. While I did have the GB planned for August, moving forward I would like to do this the legit way so that August date may or may not be correct depending on how stuff plans out with licensors. Hoping for the best! I would love see my dream of this set come to fruition.
Thank you for your support!
Same as others.yes this. red
The rama is not really what I was expecting, the gold seems a bit out of place with the colors of the set (and we did have quite a lot of gold Ramas recently).
I was hoping for something like a vibrant Red Apple (maybe even Red PVD), something similar to the novelty one but with the Rama flair and metal shine.
Or something different ofc, but maybe Gold is not the color.
I think some of those removal were not really necessary, but I guess they really want to take absolutely 0 risks.
But it doesn't really affect the set, it still looks great. I'm happy we are still getting some novelties.
Any updates on the Rama? Will the current one stay and maybe another one added? Or will it be replaced entirely?
Really unfortunate about the S and W =( I wonder if you could have added a N and E in the same font and then just said "it's cardinal directions lol"
Still a great looking set, and I'm still in for base + novelties!
Are we still targeting an August GB Date?
Not gonna lie upset you changed the name. I have a set in the making with this name lol, BUT I love this set and gonna get for sure!
A huge bummer about denial of licensing... was already bad enough they won't give us any announcement for season 3
Are we still targeting an August GB Date?
Yes August is still the expected GB date.
Unfortune news.
I was unable to make obtain licensing so the set has been renamed and revised to keep this strictly a fall and harvest themed set. Changes are being made as I would still like this set to run. Sadly, it won't be in its full intended design, but the changes made are minimal as much of the set was originally designed to copy any direct references. Only a few things needed to be changed that were too clear of an influence.
Notable changes are as followed:
Removed the S and W keys from the novelties kit.
The Bountiful Harvest deskmat has been changed ever so slightly, it previously had the head of some wolf or fox like humanoid in the peeking semi-discreetly in the corner to now not having a head there.
Currently dealing with the Mechfashion sleeve collaboration as the design was based off of something else, I will update once figured out.
Additionally, I will be creating a new IC soon for some switches and stabilizers to match GMK Harvest. Here are the renders. Thank you Pupper (http://pupper.studio/) for these renders.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bOMDvre.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QYolQlt.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bF4E9uJ.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wcSwCSI.png)
4/02/2021 - Failed to get licensing. Renamed set. Placeholder for banner art. Rewrote flavor text to strictly a fall and harvest themed set with no other inspiration. Removed S and W keys from novelties kit. Deskmat of field switched to the version with no head peeking out among the wheat. Dealing with Mechfashion collab.
5/21/2021 - Fox character is back on the deskmat.
Pricing is finally announced!
Sorry for the silence.
I was waiting on pricing, which I have had done for awhile, but unfortunately I made a very tiny mistake and had to wait a bit longer to ensure there was no changes in pricing. That is why there is such short time from me announcing the pricing to the actual GB date being 8/1-8/31.
During the quite time, I had been working on a few things, but I wanted to just make one bigger announcement and add these on. Everything is in the update log. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109421.msg2975681#msg2975681) Fox-like humanoid added back to deskmat, artisan collab with MelonKeys, cable collab with Keebstuff, and replaced the signature/banner art.
I appreciate all the support thus far, being my first keyset, I have learned a lot along the way and meet many new people. I'm glad to be a part of this community. Cheers to a successful GB!
Pricing is finally announced!
Sorry for the silence.
I was waiting on pricing, which I have had done for awhile, but unfortunately I made a very tiny mistake and had to wait a bit longer to ensure there was no changes in pricing. That is why there is such short time from me announcing the pricing to the actual GB date being 8/1-8/31.
During the quite time, I had been working on a few things, but I wanted to just make one bigger announcement and add these on. Everything is in the update log. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109421.msg2975681#msg2975681) Fox-like humanoid added back to deskmat, artisan collab with MelonKeys, cable collab with Keebstuff, and replaced the signature/banner art.
I appreciate all the support thus far, being my first keyset, I have learned a lot along the way and meet many new people. I'm glad to be a part of this community. Cheers to a successful GB!