[IC] SP SA Carbon R3

[T0mb3ry]

SP SA CARBON R3

Hello everyone.

It has been 3 years since SP SA Carbon R2 and i have been already asked few times to run it again. So here is SP SA Carbon R3.
Since that time things have changed, like most people are going for the cherry profile and so on. Thus R3 will be more basic and will offer only necessary keys in order to cover basic layouts used by enthusiasts these days. Of course all iconic novelties like warning signs or graphene enter are still there. As unique kits/features in R3, i decided to offer Carbonski alphas which are obviously meant to bring Skidata look to SA profile. And i am offering also the dual alphas and mods which has been introduced with Yuri and those will definitely set R3 apart from previous runs. And this time dual modifier also introduce dual f row

Anyway here is short compilation of important information:
Profile: SP SA
Rows: 1-1-2-3-4-3
Vendor: Drop
When: probably Oktober 2020

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Deskmats
Additionally i am planning to offer Carbon themed deskmats, which has been offered few years ago. To round this up, i am planning (not promissing) to add additional deskmat designs for Beezarre and maybe Boneyard.

Vendors for Deskmats:

• EU: Oblotzky Industries
• NA: NovelKeys

Deskmats will be available for purchase in November 2020

[T0mb3ry]

reserved

[Capsy]

Wooooooooo

[Fredington]

Damnit T0mb3ry. Okay fine.

[Oblotzky]

based R3 bottom row

[Penguindropings]

Finally my search for these deskmats are over 

[lbassett21]

No way! I just put up a post to buy this yesterday. Great timing! Looking forward to picking up a kit!

[ocm]

Yessss! Dual Alphas/Mods is going to be hottt.

[horchata771]

RIP my wallet.

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

aromatic ring split bars are nice

I humbly request one new skull novelty. Dealer's choice.

[bisoromi]

I LOVE SA

[UggNot]

So sad about the lack of ergo support.

[riterdando]

Great!

Are the colors the same like R2?

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

So sad about the lack of ergo support.

I sold my R2 ergo mods for...not far from the GB price and after about a month of listing them. You can get those aftermarket for a non horrific sum

[LXVRGS]

Any chance of a second b in the alpha kits or a f13 in the mod kits?

[lush_bunny]

Oh my god YES. These keycaps were what got me interested into custom keyboards, and I gladly welcome Round 3!

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

ok possibly just me, but there's SA relegendable keycaps (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-1-space-relegendables-pack-of-10/)

and nothing says skidata like relegendables

[DillonHightower]

So what was with the decision to change the entire bottom row? It almost makes every other kit before this unusable..??!!

[konstantin]

Are the white 6.25u and 7u spacebars in the spacebar kits really necessary if they are included by default in the alpha kits?
Seems like their only purpose would be to serve as accents for Carbonski, but I don't think that would look very appealing since white doesn't show up anywhere else in that setup.

I think the spacekeys kit would be better if it had white keys in addition to the gray ones. Also, it's missing a 1.25u spacekey, which is needed for Alice boards and standard split spacebars on ≥60% boards.

1.75u spacekeys, on the other hand, should be placed in the 40s kit rather than the spacekeys kit, since they are only useful on a couple of 40% boards. No ≥60% board exists that uses 1.75u spacekeys.

As always, R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn would be a welcome addition — and well warranted, imo, since there are so many Drop ALT and other 65%/75% users out there that use these keys. (Esp. since this set will be running on Drop.)

Looks good otherwise

[wil]

Are the white 6.25u and 7u spacebars in the spacebar kits really necessary if they are included by default in the alpha kits?
Seems like their only purpose would be to serve as accents for Carbonski, but I don't think that would look very appealing since white doesn't show up anywhere else in that setup.

I think the spacekeys kit would be better if it had white keys in addition to the gray ones. Also, it's missing a 1.25u spacekey, which is needed for Alice boards and standard split spacebars on ≥60% boards.

1.75u spacekeys, on the other hand, should be placed in the 40s kit rather than the spacekeys kit, since they are only useful on a couple of 40% boards. No ≥60% board exists that uses 1.75u spacekeys.

As always, R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn would be a welcome addition — and well warranted, imo, since there are so many Drop ALT and other 65%/75% users out there that use these keys. (Esp. since this set will be running on Drop.)

Looks good otherwise

agreed. there was a reason why SP yuri had spacebars kitted like that: there were enough alpha options as well as accent options to where you needed to support spacebars of all colors. here it doesn't seem to be the case, as if you go skiidata themed there will be no other white accents

[konstantin]

Just got back on my PC and was able to take a better look at the kits. Here are a few more things, in addition to the stuff from my previous post:

• The R1 1u Del in the numpad kit is a duplicate of the R1 1u Del from the base kit, since this set doesn't use R0. Afaik, it isn't useful for standalone numpads either. As such, it can be removed from the numpad kit.
• The `¬¦ key in the ISO UK kit has a sublegend, but 4$€ and AltGr keys aren't included. In order to stay consistent, I suggest either removing the ¦ sublegend, or adding 4$€ and AltGr keys.
• An extra B somewhere (either in alphas or spacekeys) would indeed be a nice addition, as someone already mentioned. You could include it in alphas instead of the R2 1u \| key, which I don't see any use for.
• You may want to include Minivan support in the 40s kit.
• Re my previous comment about the 1.75u key in the spacekeys kit: since there are already 1.75u novelty spaces in the 40s kit, the blank 1.75u key doesn't need to be moved from spacekeys to 40s — instead, it can straight up be deleted from the spacekeys kit.
• Two 2u spaces are much more common than two 1.75u spaces on 40% boards. There are lots of popular boards that support 2×2u (Planck, Preonic, Boardwalk, Iris, Levinson...) versus just two for 2×1.75u (JD40, JD45). I recommend replacing the second 1.75u novelty space with a second 2u novelty space.

[Yehuo.]

I have to ask a few questions. Like Yuri, I bought all the Alpha, but it will repeat a lot of spaces.

[Sunhwan Jeong]

I was right, I was right..

[super7manki]

So what was with the decision to change the entire bottom row? It almost makes every other kit before this unusable..??!!

I second this, if there is not much issue from R4 bottom row I'd rather recommend to have it match with the 2nd round

[lordkingdilbo]

Awesome! I was just about to make a search to buy these second hand. Any plans on bringing back the Half-Life Lambda Kit?

[harlekein]

No thanks. Not with this ortho offering and not without Colevrak.

[cyyz]

Was kinda hoping the next SA round would have all the kits from the previous round like rolling bones/domino, and maybe even the boneyard colourway like the GMK version, (skipped GMK because i prefer SA), but this decent enough.

[singabore]

Damn is it time to pick up new mods for that r3 bottom row

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[riterdando]

I thought I could complete my R2 sets by getting 7U spaceman’s and the numpad kit. But due to R3 bottom row this does not seem to be feasible.
Right?

[phinix]

Woooo, those deskmats.. I already have caps, but I'm in for deskmats

[Pyk_]

Cool! I’m sure there isn’t enough interest, but if I could suggest one thing it would be to add an R3 mod-colored “ key to the 40s kit.

[Strongbuns]

Interested if there's bone mods/novelties.

[blizzara01]

I need non standard modifier and spacebar kits 

[r3spect]

rolling bone plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Vizir]

No ergo kit?

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[gecruz]

+1 for rolling bones which I think would have more demand than warning signs

[hottrout]

Love the deskmats.  Really nice.

[T0mb3ry]

I will not be able to answer all suggestions/comments but only few.

Important Info
The colors will stay the same.
However if someone wants to mix R2 with R3, when one should be aware of possible shade differences which might happen - because SPs plastic supplier is notorious for inconsistency from batch to batch. As example see SP SA Strong Spirit, which was made from different plastic batches and has noticeable shade differences. As another example my alphas from Carbon R1 and R2 differ slightly in shade too. Because of this i specifically pointed out for Yuri to make it from one single plastic batch and did not introduced glorious keys for other existing SP SA sets.
So it should be avoided to mix keys from R2 and R3 with the same base color. For example mixing R2 mods with R3 mods. But things like mixing Alphas/Dual Alphas from R3 with Mods from R2 should work just fine. Anyway i highly suggest for someone who is missing a kit from R2 to search for it on mechmarket. AFAIK finding most of the R2 kits on mechmarket should not be a problem.

So what was with the decision to change the entire bottom row? It almost makes every other kit before this unusable..??!!

R3 bottom row is more versatile and thus some kits require less keys (Novelties for example). You can still utilize Carbon R3 kits with Carbon R2 to some degree. Every Round has different features see for example GMK Carbon R2 which had R0 and R5 - compared to GMK Carbon R1. And i might and most probably will change things in my future projects.

No ergo kit?

So sad about the lack of ergo support.

Unfortunately the Ergo kits don't do well lately so i decided to skip it.

rolling bone plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

+1 for rolling bones which I think would have more demand than warning signs

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Rolling bones belongs to Bone/Boneyard and they need their own GB. Otherwise the amount of kits will blow up which is not good from my experience.
This group buy is for Carbon only.

ok possibly just me, but there's SA relegendable keycaps (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-1-space-relegendables-pack-of-10/)

and nothing says skidata like relegendables

I will look into it.

Awesome! I was just about to make a search to buy these second hand. Any plans on bringing back the Half-Life Lambda Kit?

Most probably but only for row 1 and 3.

[Natedog351]

I NEED THE CARBON DESK MAT!!!

[Gimbal]

How about Nordic support? I have been waiting for this but I do need the nordic special keys...

[Sabin]

Love the deskmat designs, especially 1st one. Would really like it if you included the half life lambda kit or at least a few keys of it. Any chance of an EU vendor this time?

[T0mb3ry]

All Alphas
- removed R2 1u |\ key
- added second B for Alice like layouts (since those become more and more popular)
- changed R4 1u |\ iso filler key from desktop to terminal style ><




ISO UK
- added AltGr keys
- added $4€ key


Half-Life
- introduction


Spacekeys
- add whole range of available key sizes which should allow to utilize spacekeys for various exotic layouts like minila
- Spacekeys are now available also in beige color

[mimalik]

Plz bring back orange alphas, I will make an exception and this will be my last set after SA Oblivion, but plz plz plz....bring back orange alphas.

[jmg123]

Iso is missing the R4 |\ key.

[konstantin]

Oops, I dun goofed

[parablol]

Wish there was a way to get 2x 2u space keys without having to buy 2x 40s kits or 2x Spacekeys kits.

[T0mb3ry]

Iso is missing the R4 |\ key.

Will add in the next update and remove terminal filler from the alphas.

Wish there was a way to get 2x 2u space keys without having to buy 2x 40s kits or 2x Spacekeys kits.

I will look into that.

[T0mb3ry]

All Alphas
- Moved rest of ISO alphas to ISO UK kit



ISO UK
- Moved rest of ISO alphas to ISO UK kit
- ALT GR keys rows has been corrected

Numpad
- Removed obsolete R1 1u Del key (its already available in base kit)

40%
- Added second R3 2u graphene key
- Added R3 1u "' key

Spacekeys
- Reduced spacekeys to the most used common keys (i went overboard previously which would make the keys too expensive)

[Gimbal]

Aargh! So both SA Oblivion and SA Carbon are stripped of international support. Two of the greatest  SA sets ruined. Trying times to be in need of international support indeed.

[tectonicplate]

Def in for Carbonski and 40s (love seeing support for double 2u space and other less supported options - thx!). Duel legend kits are also high on the list… excellent round 3 ideas overall. I wasn't expecting to invest in more Carbon, but here we are.