Ban not set to expire. Ban hammer cometh.
unpossible... How am I still here.... if he's gone.
pretty sure it's a computer glitch :))
unpossible... How am I still here.... if he's gone.
pretty sure it's a computer glitch :))
That's the first thing I thought when I saw your name next to this thread
me too. been watching his classifieds thread recently. may i know the source for this information on his ban?
me too. been watching his classifieds thread recently. may i know the source for this information on his ban?
ta dahh
http://deskthority.net/off-topic-f10/does-this-make-me-2-ban-on-gh-t5020.html
bating present participle of bate
Verb
(of a hawk) Beat the wings in an attempt to escape from the perch: "the hawks bated when the breeze got in their feathers".
what.
Pretty pathetic, Dan's a good lad. It took far more for you guys to remove ripster. Comes across as a personal issue dressed up as 'the rules' whatever the **** they are.
Thing is, things like this cross a line with people, lifting the ban shouldn't be enough the guy's owed an apology. Or just hide behind your expensive keyboards..
Wait when was this? I just talked to Dan in PM earlier today...
Another troll thread?
Wait when was this? I just talked to Dan in PM earlier today...
Another troll thread?
I rarely troll and sadly this isnt one of those times.
It happened last night, Dan google im'ed me with the news and I made this thread. He also posted about it on DT. Apparently he had a thread in the classifieds that welcomed threadcrapping, some mods took offense to this and overreacted like they frequently do around here. I mean come on, like tp pointed out, he's still here and dan banned? Does not compute.
I believe these are the 2 posts responsible for the ban
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you can argue then ripster's ban was unwarranted either. did he not contribute majority of the wiki info? Or provide a good amount of resources and information?QuoteGeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason. A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors. We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author. Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation. And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.
Hiding behind static rules is meaningless when your goal is to build a community and you punnish those who's whole goal is to help provide a good one...
--I don't really know much about this community, but perma-bans and bans like this are what basically destoryed a couple of communites I was in before joining here.
Would help if you actually took pics of the HHKB, along with the "specks of shine". $265 still seems rough for an unknown hours used keyboard w/ " specks of shine"that one could purchase in retail condition for less than $50 more.
Especially since white/PBT does have a tendency less shine, and for one to notice, who knows how bad it really is. God knows how bad that ABS spacebar is....
Nice price on those A2's I got mine for 200, a few months ago, and they're definitely one of the better pairs of monitor speakers out there, especially for their size.
This is unfortunate, but it's a temporary ban so hopefully he'll be back. I've had many "threadcrappers" in my classifieds thread before, and I don't mind them.i've had them as well, just look at my sell thread and the attacking about selling Bose headsets lol.
Negative "threadcrapping"Would help if you actually took pics of the HHKB, along with the "specks of shine". $265 still seems rough for an unknown hours used keyboard w/ " specks of shine"that one could purchase in retail condition for less than $50 more.
Especially since white/PBT does have a tendency less shine, and for one to notice, who knows how bad it really is. God knows how bad that ABS spacebar is....
Positive threadcrappingNice price on those A2's I got mine for 200, a few months ago, and they're definitely one of the better pairs of monitor speakers out there, especially for their size.
This is complete and utter bull****. Also, the rule about not talking about banned members is bull****. This isn't ****ing Nazi Germany in 1937. This is 2013, and I'd like to think we're a bit more advanced as a race than to punish people for mere words.their forum, their rule
to be fair, again i have no beef with DangWang, but honestly if the owners of GH want to run their forums strictly they can.
His threadcrap welcome classified thread is straight up trolling and sticking it to the admins/mods of GH.
He felt passionate regarding threadcrapping and his perceived injustices with the way classified is run, but to just say "f it" and do that is just immaturity imo.
Anyway, in the end GH is a private forum, you aren't given free speech to do whatever you want. OCN runs their forums in a similar way, people sometime thing OCN mods/admins are too anal, but they do limit the amount of crap that is visible on the forums. It comes down to what GH wants to represent their forum as.
We are all just users, we use the forum, but we really have no "power" to what the forum owners want to do.you can argue then ripster's ban was unwarranted either. did he not contribute majority of the wiki info? Or provide a good amount of resources and information?QuoteGeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason. A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors. We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author. Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation. And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.
Hiding behind static rules is meaningless when your goal is to build a community and you punnish those who's whole goal is to help provide a good one...
--I don't really know much about this community, but perma-bans and bans like this are what basically destoryed a couple of communites I was in before joining here.
I understand the whole "their forum" idea but getting rid of community members who bring to the table unique content isn't the best way to keep a good forum. No point having everything look great if there is no content/talk.This is unfortunate, but it's a temporary ban so hopefully he'll be back. I've had many "threadcrappers" in my classifieds thread before, and I don't mind them.i've had them as well, just look at my sell thread and the attacking about selling Bose headsets lol.
Negative "threadcrapping"Would help if you actually took pics of the HHKB, along with the "specks of shine". $265 still seems rough for an unknown hours used keyboard w/ " specks of shine"that one could purchase in retail condition for less than $50 more.
Especially since white/PBT does have a tendency less shine, and for one to notice, who knows how bad it really is. God knows how bad that ABS spacebar is....
Positive threadcrappingNice price on those A2's I got mine for 200, a few months ago, and they're definitely one of the better pairs of monitor speakers out there, especially for their size.This is complete and utter bull****. Also, the rule about not talking about banned members is bull****. This isn't ****ing Nazi Germany in 1937. This is 2013, and I'd like to think we're a bit more advanced as a race than to punish people for mere words.their forum, their rule
dont' like it, make your own forum (which is how DT came into existence isn't it?)
their forum, their rule
dont' like it, make your own forum (which is how DT came into existence isn't it?)
this is true, however like i mentioned ripster kinda made every GH wiki page, or at least contributed over half the information on the wiki and he's been perm banned for a while.Yes, and the community is less without him. Was he an ass sometime (often)? Sure. Did he **** around a bit? Yes. Did he provide more content that just about everyone? You pretty much just said so. Don't give people celebrity treatment, but realize what you're giving up by getting rid of them.
I believe for a time the wiki images was linking directly to his imgur or hosting.
I hope he comes back, otherwise I'll be like this little guy:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/a7jZslW.jpg)
sorry i think you put way too much in stock of one member of the forum.their forum, their rule
dont' like it, make your own forum (which is how DT came into existence isn't it?)
While that's a great sentiment in theory, in practice it's not as simple as that. I won't ever proscribe to the idea that one should sit quietly with their mouth shut while others abuse authority, no matter where it happens. That's not how things get better.
Besides, this is a forum after all, which is defined as (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&noj=1&site=webhp&source=hp&q=define%3Aforum&oq=define%3Aforum) "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged". My view is that banning Dan for what he did is irresponsible, short-sighted, and immature. Further actions like it will irreparably harm GeekHack and ruin it's reputation and community.
Thanks for singling me out/quoting a random post. I'll stay out of this one, and post before the lock.
A sense of pride says that one would not return even if it was a temporary ban.
Thanks for singling me out/quoting a random post. I'll stay out of this one, and post before the lock.
A sense of pride says that one would not return even if it was a temporary ban.
So I see a bunch of "OMG he did nothing to be banned for" yet how many of you know what he PMed to any mod while in this two week long rage that he's been on?
Spoilers!
Spoilers!
Hah, 10-year-old movie doesn't count!
How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?
How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?
Parsing error.
so many Serious Businessmen in here.
Majestouch and Realforce without just price
They are businessmen from Japan. They make sudden huge
profits by hook or by crook.
So you want to be professional?
Choose Choc Pro, be professional.
oh wait...
sorry i think you put way too much in stock of one member of the forum.
i personally don't think 1 person banned is gonna "ruin" the reputation of GH. maybe if there's a mass banning of people who are like minded, it'll affect the community.
But as of now, its an isolated incident.
How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?
Parsing error.
How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?
Parsing error.
Abort/Retry/Fail?
So I see a bunch of "OMG he did nothing to be banned for" yet how many of you know what he PMed to any mod while in this two week long rage that he's been on?being banned for pm's is pretty cool, isn't it?
So I see a bunch of "OMG he did nothing to be banned for" yet how many of you know what he PMed to any mod while in this two week long rage that he's been on?being banned for pm's is pretty cool, isn't it?
I didn't know they could read our PMs?
so they're "not private"?
Hmm.........
I didn't know they could read our PMs?
so they're "not private"?
Hmm.........
You're making an assumption that is wrong. We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.
I didn't know they could read our PMs?
so they're "not private"?
Hmm.........
You're making an assumption that is wrong. We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.
That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
I didn't know they could read our PMs?
so they're "not private"?
Hmm.........
You're making an assumption that is wrong. We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.
That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
Wha? It would be more silly if admins could read our PMs.
Oh and where the **** is demik???
Why would it be silly if they could read our PMs? This isn't a government-regulated site. It's a private site. If you don't want them reading your PMs, then don't send PMs. Use something else like email.
Hell, I bet even Google can read your Gmail if they wanted to.
they wont help much if at all in marketplace issues...I didn't know they could read our PMs?
so they're "not private"?
Hmm.........
You're making an assumption that is wrong. We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.
That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
Why would it be silly if they could read our PMs? This isn't a government-regulated site. It's a private site. If you don't want them reading your PMs, then don't send PMs. Use something else like email.yep they can though for anyone else to see it I believe that need a warrent
Hell, I bet even Google can read your Gmail if they wanted to.
they wont help much if at all in marketplace issues...I didn't know they could read our PMs?
so they're "not private"?
Hmm.........
You're making an assumption that is wrong. We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.
That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
i wasnt commenting on them not having access to pm who knows admins might?they wont help much if at all in marketplace issues...I didn't know they could read our PMs?
so they're "not private"?
Hmm.........
You're making an assumption that is wrong. We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.
That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
but it would make everything more transparent... it might not have been the best example.. but when making the site, seems so strange that pm's wouldn't be accessable to admins...
Edited.
Please don't bypass the swear filter.
-boost
I liked pre moderator geekhack way better. Even when almost half the threads got derailed or off topic, flame wars and all. At least it was fun.
demik? :(
dangwang and demik have both been given short probations, emphasis on short. my understanding is that they've both been talked to as to the whats and the whys. there's really nothing to see here.
Hoping this post dosent get me a ban of my own,
KangarooZombies :)
Hoping this post dosent get me a ban of my own,
KangarooZombies :)
Nope, it won't get you ban but it'll get you a visit from reaper to give you a few free keycaps personally (if you're in LA). :)
In the beginning, God said [etc...]
Even pillars of the community get frustrated from time to time, and may say something that they shouldn't have, or in a certain way. Criticizing the mod team over and over in public, and tempting a ban by baiting, will almost certainly get you a cooling-off period.Dan has already expressed his hesitation to return to GeekHack on the DT forums.
I respect both Dan and demik, and have had conversations and transactions with both of them. They knew the possible consequences of what they were doing, and are now dealing with those consequences. We can hope to be supportive of them and try to ease their frustrations when they return.
I didn't know they could read our PMs?
so they're "not private"?
Hmm.........
You're making an assumption that is wrong. We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.
That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
anyway back on topic.. "FREE HAT! FREE HAT!"
Rollin with them or me? :)) We aren't 15.
Rollin with them or me? :)) We aren't 15.
Exactly. So, perhaps, when the situation calms down, things will be more clear. All this drama makes me sick. We just need to get along, not fight... :/
This site is about keyboards, not capitalism or commercialism, not about the Terms of Service, not about whether we should threadcrap or not. This site is for keyboards.
I am here in a community to help others, enjoy myself and maybe buy a few things here or there (or trade for them :P). When you live in a real life community, do you get told not to make money or what you should do with what is yours? Do you get told not to walk in the market and have ambient conversations with your friends? Just food for thought, please don't pick me apart and answer my questions. They are rhetorical.
If you've ever been a part of a forum that (you felt) had problems, and voicing those opinions got him know where it's pretty understandable to become frustrated with it.Sure he's allowed to be upset, but look at the way he delivered his message.
He clearly cares about GH and this hobby else he wouldn't have made a fuss (yup) in the first place. His ranting as some might see it is only a positive because its for the benefit of others and possibly of this forum.
On a totally unrelated note, can someone please tell Webwit I think his turd keycap is epic and I want it.
On a totally unrelated note, can someone please tell Webwit I think his turd keycap is epic and I want it.
I really have no interest in all the drama involving Dan but I am kind of curious about all the hate on DT towards GH. It's not that hard to find a thread on there without someone trashing GH but ironically we hardly ever talk about them, or it may just the threads I choose to look at. Anyways like projectD I found GH through OCN so I'm still fresh here so I'm pretty oblivious to what is going on and I don't frequent DT.
#1 It has already been established that it isn't permanent and Dan wasn't the only one.
#2 Although I'm sure jimmies have been rustled, really they shouldn't be. You can't openly be adversarial to the mods and expect nothing to happen.
Remember that movie Bruce Almighty? Bruce dies and asks God why, and he says "You can't kneel down in the middle of a highway and expect to live, son."
Same thing.
DT was founded by 2 disgruntled Ex-GH members who weren't happy with the way GH is being run/where it was going. Basically DT was founded as the anti-GH.
So it's sort of an "us vs. them" mindset at DT.
to be fair, again i have no beef with DangWang, but honestly if the owners of GH want to run their forums strictly they can.
His threadcrap welcome classified thread is straight up trolling and sticking it to the admins/mods of GH.
He felt passionate regarding threadcrapping and his perceived injustices with the way classified is run, but to just say "f it" and do that is just immaturity imo.
Anyway, in the end GH is a private forum, you aren't given free speech to do whatever you want. OCN runs their forums in a similar way, people sometime thing OCN mods/admins are too anal, but they do limit the amount of crap that is visible on the forums. It comes down to what GH wants to represent their forum as.
We are all just users, we use the forum, but we really have no "power" to what the forum owners want to do.you can argue then ripster's ban was unwarranted either. did he not contribute majority of the wiki info? Or provide a good amount of resources and information?QuoteGeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason. A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors. We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author. Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation. And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.
Hiding behind static rules is meaningless when your goal is to build a community and you punnish those who's whole goal is to help provide a good one...
--I don't really know much about this community, but perma-bans and bans like this are what basically destoryed a couple of communites I was in before joining here.
I don't know much about Ripster so I don't know... but in the previous forums I've been a member of mod's have treated the biggest contributors the same as spam bots, break the rules get banned... and slowly it just pushed all the good content and posts they where making to other sites and forums... its a bad system that dsnt work.. and the whole our site our rules is fine, but it ****s in the face of making a good community...
but thats just me, and I've yet to meet a mod who agree's
Exactly. So, perhaps, when the situation calms down, things will be more clear. All this drama makes me sick. We just need to get along, not fight... :/when the rules protect the Sherrytons and cactuxes of the forum, profiteering at the expense of the community is inevitable.
This site is about keyboards, not capitalism or commercialism, not about the Terms of Service, not about whether we should threadcrap or not. This site is for keyboards.
I am here in a community to help others, enjoy myself and maybe buy a few things here or there (or trade for them :P). When you live in a real life community, do you get told not to make money or what you should do with what is yours? Do you get told not to walk in the market and have ambient conversations with your friends? Just food for thought, please don't pick me apart and answer my questions. They are rhetorical.
I'd like to ask the moderators, why was this ban left as "not set to expire" ?
The rules say that a permanent ban comes after warnings, temporary bans, etc. If the mods gave a permaban without warning like that, it's against the rules. If, on the other hand, they neglected to put an expiration date, they made it (inadvertently) look like an abrubt permaban, causing all this drama.
Any mods care to comment or rectify this situation ?
Since the reboot of the site, moderation has been fairly light compared to how it was and the staff is still finding its way. SMF does things a little differently than some are used to and bans have been rare. Thus, the snafu in the ban type.
I'd like to ask the moderators, why was this ban left as "not set to expire" ?
The rules say that a permanent ban comes after warnings, temporary bans, etc. If the mods gave a permaban without warning like that, it's against the rules. If, on the other hand, they neglected to put an expiration date, they made it (inadvertently) look like an abrubt permaban, causing all this drama.
Any mods care to comment or rectify this situation ?
Ok, if the software can't provide an expiration date, then the ban reason hand-typed by the mod performing the ban should mention the ban duration.
Example:
"You have been band for 5 days due to threadcrapping." Or add "the ban will be lifted on February 2nd".
Ok, but if the software has a limitation, the typed message needs to accommodate that. Otherwise it will unintentionally happen again.
Ok, if the software can't provide an expiration date, then the ban reason hand-typed by the mod performing the ban should mention the ban duration.I completely understand what you mean, we don't temp ban people often at all so this was an mistake on our end
Example:
"You have been band for 5 days due to threadcrapping." Or add "the ban will be lifted on February 2nd".
Ok, but if the software has a limitation, the typed message needs to accommodate that. Otherwise it will unintentionally happen again.
it doesn't and even if it does, it's a stupid thing to get worked up over... sorry if that's glib but this whole situation is stupid and frankly not something that anybody should care about. there are plenty of real problems in the world that could use some nerdy attention.