Post by: eyesmiles on Wed, 04 June 2014, 20:43:58
Again, I wonder why I purchased another keyboard that comes with stock MX clears. But after seeing the listing at EK, it reminded me of when I first purchased my Leopold with clears from them back in 2011. The price is reasonable, it doesn’t have LEDs with pulsating rainbows everywhere, and the design of the case is nice compared to the usual angles on a Ducky or QFR. Plus, it wouldn’t hurt to have an extra TKL at home. Anyways, here we go.
The Box
(http://i.imgur.com/ikHQuNI.png)
The packaging is pretty simple. Aside from the all-black exterior, it has the KUL logo and 2 labels noting switch type, layout, etc. The box reminds me of the Ducky Shine II boxes.
What’s Inside
(http://i.imgur.com/1XqpHWp.png)
The keyboard includes a plastic cover, or what I call the “free plastic roof.”
(http://i.imgur.com/7PVrQhb.png)
Since the keyboard allows for swapping of Ctrl and Capslock, Backspace and \ , etc. through dip switches, it’s great to see that they include additional keycaps, not just a WASD cluster like many companies do. KUL also includes the usual keycap puller, USB mini B cable and PS/2 adapter.
Nudity (It’s SFW)
(http://i.imgur.com/DHbFuNW.png)
There are many images of the board with keycaps online, both on EK and on Keyed Up Labs official website. Here it is naked.
(http://i.imgur.com/NS6eLS4.png)
The KUL ES-87 comes with plate mount Cherry stabilizers.
(http://i.imgur.com/7xBFYZb.png)
Flangeless, diffused, blue, 3mm LEDs are located on the Esc, Caps Lock, Left Control, and Scroll Lock. They are not blindingly bright.
Warranties?
(http://i.imgur.com/18VNYLi.png)
3 screws are all you need to remove to take the keyboard apart. The middle screw is hidden under the Void Warranty If Removed sticker. Like the Filco, just pop the tabs and the top and bottom portion come apart.
(http://i.imgur.com/6aXYVY5.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lFykRFx.png)
Dual Layer PCB.
(http://i.imgur.com/x1i453J.png)
The controller looks to be a Holtek HT82K94E.
(http://i.imgur.com/AxqKPKN.png)
Shot of the 8 dipswitches.
(http://i.imgur.com/vPABByh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/AuNpodi.png)
For all the people thinking about doing some modding, the WFD universal TKL plate lines up really well. The 5 holes on the stock plate line up perfectly with the existing holes in the universal TKL plate. The only problem I could think of is that the universal plate does not have the raised edges like the stock plate. The raised edges allow for the stock plate to not shift around when placed in the case.
Vanity Shot
(http://i.imgur.com/OCwTYcN.png)
Keyboards … Barbie Dolls … Dolch … don’t have to say much more …
Which Space Bar?
(http://i.imgur.com/YTICNgj.png)
The KUL ES-87 comes with a 118mm wide with 50mm left and right from the center stemmed spacebar with additional 2 inner stems similar to SP’s Universal Space Bar. What does that mean? The KUL ES-87 can use any 6.25 unit space bar that comes with nearly any set without any problems. So feel free to have fun and swap key cap sets with no worries!
Some Thoughts
From an average person’s standpoint:
For the price point, it’s not that bad. It’s reasonable. If you are looking for a TKL that comes stock with MX clears and Cherry stabilizers, it’s a great option especially if you want something simple without all the LEDs everywhere. You can swap Control with Cap Locks and there is support for Macs. The ABS key caps that come stock are similar in thickness to Keycool key caps. The lasered legends … well … at least they’re not pad printed. If anyone has tried the $20 sets that EK offers, you may find that they’re quite similar to feel minus the textured space bar and minus the pad printing. The case has a nice texture to it, like the Filco MJ2s. For someone not into modding a keyboard and just want something to use straight out of the box, the KUL ES-87 is a nice option.
From someone who wants to take things apart and mod it standpoint:
One could say: “Well I can buy a QFR when it goes on sale for around $50, buy some switches, a bpiphany controller, and have a board with [insert uncommon switch type here] that I can program myself around that price point!” Sure, I can do that too … and swap the plate, paint the case, change the LEDs, swap the stock key caps and the list goes on. There are other options than buying this board but as you keep on modding, the price you paid for the board and parts just keeps going up. But of course, we can justify such reasoning ^-^
Thank you for the kind words guys. If you want me to take any additional pictures, post and let me know and I'll include them. I'm surprised the images came out alright considering it's been overcast for the past few days.
Post by: Techno Trousers on Wed, 04 June 2014, 20:49:59
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Wed, 04 June 2014, 20:50:32
Post by: osi on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:04:10
Post by: nrd on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:04:13
Quote
The keyboard includes a plastic cover, or what I call the “free plastic roof.”:(
A sad reminder that the CODE didn’t come with a cover. I really liked the one I had for my full size board.
Post by: lightsout714 on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:04:54
Post by: dante on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:11:29
How well does the cable stay in the channel? Every keyboard I've tried that has channels gets the cable yanked out eventually.
Post by: eyesmiles on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:30:27
How well does the cable stay in the channel? Every keyboard I've tried that has channels gets the cable yanked out eventually.
In the image where I show where the warranty sticker would be, you can see a small nub where if the cable were to be channeled from the center. The little nubs run along the side channels as well in alternating patterns. The stock cable is slightly thinner than what could fit in the channel so there is some play.
Using solely the center channel:
If you were to tug on it, it could budge out. The same with the Lindy Chrome cable I initially tested the board with. Thicker gauge USB cables have a slight problem going into the channels, but when under the nub, they stay secure. I tried it with a cable that came with my FC660M. Custom cables like tj's or
The side channels:
Once the cables are under the little nubs, they stay put pretty well. The only thing I can think of that could pull them from the nubs is if you were to drop the keyboard while it's connected.
I can take more pictures after work tomorrow if you'd like dante. It'll illustrate the "alternating nubs" easier.
Slight edit. I just tested a cable from Pexon. It's too thick to fit into the channel. tj's had no problem.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:38:21
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:40:59
Post by: dante on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:41:18
How well does the cable stay in the channel? Every keyboard I've tried that has channels gets the cable yanked out eventually.
I can take more pictures after work tomorrow if you'd like dante. It'll illustrate the "alternating nubs" easier.
Nah no thanks. Nothing to see here... going to keep saving up for a GON.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:42:34
Post by: eyesmiles on Wed, 04 June 2014, 21:55:28
eyesmiles, can you comment on what the dipswitches do? Nice review by the way :D
| Off | On |
| Windows Mode | OS X Mode |
| Left Ctrl = Left Ctrl | Left Ctrl = Caps Lock , Caps Lock = Left Ctrl |
| Esc = Esc | Esc = `, ` = Esc |
| Backspace = Backspace | Backspace = \ , \ = Backspace |
| Shift + Fn = Menu | Fn = Menu , Shift + Fn = Fn |
| 125Hz polling rate | 1000Hz polling rate |
| 6-key rollover USB | N-key rollover USB |
| Future expansion | Future expansion |
Unsure on the future expansion portion. My table making skills suck :p Dipswitches from top to bottom: 1-8
How do the stabilizers feel?
A mushy that can get better over time. Sometimes the stabs get stuck on the return with imsto space bars if you seat it all the way. Oddly enough, the GMK ones have no problem.
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 04 June 2014, 22:19:46
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 05 June 2014, 07:26:34
Post by: jennb on Thu, 05 June 2014, 18:30:12
I love this community when I'm not absolutely hating what it does to my wallet. :eek:
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 05 June 2014, 21:15:04
Post by: jennb on Wed, 11 June 2014, 07:17:41
Agree with review: The actual case texture feels better than any other MX keyboard I've used (Filco, Ducky Premier, Code, Das). Nice packaging, too. Perhaps the only thing missing for me is that it isn't a full-size keyboard, but I obviously knew that going into the purchase. If KUL makes a full-size one in the future, I'd buy it, too. I am happily pleased by feel of the cherry stabs. Backlighting isn't a must-have for me.
Time and use will give me a better sense of quality, but here's hoping it lasts awhile without any issues as I really like it. No regrets & pleasantly surprised.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 11 June 2014, 07:22:01
Post by: bueller on Wed, 11 June 2014, 07:34:01
Post by: korrelate on Wed, 11 June 2014, 15:19:25
Anyone with one of these that can speak to if they ping or not?
Thanks for the review!! PGreat PICs and thanks for taking the board apart!!
Very curious about this as well!! All you KUL owners: any pinging???
Cheers,
K
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 11 June 2014, 15:21:25
My KUL w/clears arrived. I think I may end up preferring it to my Code.
Can you post some thoughts on KUL vs. Code?
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 11 June 2014, 15:27:59
Anyone with one of these that can speak to if they ping or not?
I'll let you know when mine arrives. I just ordered it with the money I got back from returning my CODE. :)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 11 June 2014, 15:35:46
If it was closer to the hundred dollar mark I might consider one of these but the price is too much at $129. For only a little bit more I could have a Phantom made with a litster case.
I thought those litster cases were like $250?
Anyone with one of these that can speak to if they ping or not?
I'll let you know when mine arrives. I just ordered it with the money I got back from returning my CODE. :)
Yeah I kept mine. :facepalm:
I'd like to see a fullsize version of this kul or maybe a matching keypad.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 11 June 2014, 16:27:30
Maybe it's because I always have headphones on, but this is actually a reasonably quiet keyboard.
I mean, it's still a mech and everything, but I'm very surprised by how quiet this thing is.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 11 June 2014, 16:45:50
Anyone with one of these that can speak to if they ping or not?
I'll let you know when mine arrives. I just ordered it with the money I got back from returning my CODE. :)
You returned it due to ping, or...?
Post by: strict on Wed, 11 June 2014, 16:51:00
If it was closer to the hundred dollar mark I might consider one of these but the price is too much at $129. For only a little bit more I could have a Phantom made with a litster case.
I sincerely question this. I had a free teensy on hand, already had keycaps, *and* got a free Filco case and had almost $130 in my phantom (not including the custom Pexon cable). Without those free items I would have easily crossed the $200 mark.
Furthermore, there was a Filco in a Lister acrylic case that sold just a few weeks ago for $250 in less than a day. If you can show me how on earth you could manage to not only build a phantom but also get one in a lister case for less than $200 I would be overjoyed to eat crow because I would buy that setup in a heart beat.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 11 June 2014, 17:25:18
This thing is so incredibly solid.
Post by: eyesmiles on Wed, 11 June 2014, 17:47:42
Anyone with one of these that can speak to if they ping or not?
I've been using mine since I did the review and no pinging. Usually aside from the distinct pinging noise, there's that resonance from the plate you can feel from pinging. None of that either. KUL must've gotten a decent batch of clears.
If it was closer to the hundred dollar mark I might consider one of these but the price is too much at $129. For only a little bit more I could have a Phantom made with a litster case.
This is one of the arguments I had with myself when I was thinking about whether or not to get the KUL. Since the preorder price was nearly similar to what I paid for the Leopold a few years back, it gave me that nostalgia feeling. What led me to purchasing it was purely curiousity about this newer company and hopefully to help others decided whether or not to try them out. But what it didn't really provide me despite the nostalgia was that excitement. Hence the reason I put two point of views in my thoughts section, the KUL didn't give me that "Hell Yeah, a board that comes with MX clears!" Ever since I learned to solder, finding keyboards that come equipped with clears was checked off my mental list. I can just do it myself. I have a phantom PCB and a teensy somewhere I haven't gotten around to working on. As of now, I find that more a deal because the parts I've gathered over the years are already considered paid off to me and don't count towards the final cost of a project. But if I was the same eyesmiles from years ago, the KUL would be a viable option since it's one of the few that come with clears.
I tried to be detailed as I could in the review to tailor not only for people newer to mechanical keyboards, but for those more versed so they could decide whether or not to spend more money on something they probably won't need :))
Post by: jennb on Wed, 11 June 2014, 19:56:35
Code pluses
+ backlighting
+ full size
+ solid
+ tiny bit less frame around bottom row of keys
+ better legends :)
KUL pluses
+ no pinging, at least not on mine (pinging on stock Code)
+ cherry stabs (plus for me, minus for many)
+ really nice case, no seam on front (seam on back)
+ KUL seems to sit a tiny bit lower than Code
+ rubber feet (or mostly rubber feet)
I got my Code springs swapped for 62g & lubed so it is pretty perfect. We'll see which one I end up with as my main. Perhaps I had higher expectations for Code and lower for KUL & that informed my initial experience with the KUL? Could be. I'm not parting with either until they no longer work so no disappointment with either purchase.
Can't speak to the internals as I didn't take either of mine apart. With a lot more use, I'll have a better comparison. These were my first impressions. The Code really isn't that much more money. I'd be hard pressed to recommend one over the other, but KUL might win if the person was sensitive to pinging and if they didn't need backlighting/full-size.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 11 June 2014, 20:01:47
I was somewhat skeptical about the KUL's quality, since the website boasted so much without any actual evidence. On the other hand, EK does not carry junk products, so their decision to sell it speaks for itself. Good to see another quality entrant to the market.
Post by: jennb on Wed, 11 June 2014, 21:26:41
I should add that the CODE has the cable tie. Nice small touch.
Enjoy the impulse buy & hope you like it!
Post by: aref on Wed, 11 June 2014, 23:15:08
Post by: bueller on Thu, 12 June 2014, 01:35:24
If it was closer to the hundred dollar mark I might consider one of these but the price is too much at $129. For only a little bit more I could have a Phantom made with a litster case.
I sincerely question this. I had a free teensy on hand, already had keycaps, *and* got a free Filco case and had almost $130 in my phantom (not including the custom Pexon cable). Without those free items I would have easily crossed the $200 mark.
Furthermore, there was a Filco in a Lister acrylic case that sold just a few weeks ago for $250 in less than a day. If you can show me how on earth you could manage to not only build a phantom but also get one in a lister case for less than $200 I would be overjoyed to eat crow because I would buy that setup in a heart beat.
Litster cases are $30 on Taobao, I've got one on my Filco. Switches, plate and PCB for about another hundred and there you go.
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 12 June 2014, 06:10:47
I am tempted to buy one as soon as MX blues become available :)
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 12 June 2014, 06:47:03
Thanks for the review!
I am tempted to buy one as soon as MX blues become available :)
PM me then, we can split shipping costs ;)
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 12 June 2014, 07:25:18
Thanks for the review!
I am tempted to buy one as soon as MX blues become available :)
PM me then, we can split shipping costs ;)
Sounds good :thumb:
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 12 June 2014, 07:46:59
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 12 June 2014, 10:12:01
If you have used a 55g Topre, can you say how the 55g Clears compare with it?
Topre and MX anything don't compare. At all.
But I do like the clears and I do like Topre, although 45g, not 55g.
Post by: sacratoy on Thu, 12 June 2014, 13:52:17
Post by: aref on Thu, 12 June 2014, 14:26:16
If you have used a 55g Topre, can you say how the 55g Clears compare with it?
Topre and MX anything don't compare. At all.
But I do like the clears and I do like Topre, although 45g, not 55g.
I understand that one cannot draw a direct comparison between MX and Topre switches. Nonetheless, your answer was helpful. Thank you.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 June 2014, 14:30:23
Thinking about getting this keyboard to try out Cherry MX Clear switches. Are there better (more cost effective) choices out there for testing out a keyboard with clear switches? If not, this price seems pretty reasonable.
This is actually a great price, IMO, for a keyboard with clears. I really like stock springs in my clear switches. Lubing them can help smooth them out a bit, but it's not really necessary. Stock clears are great switches.
Post by: lightsout714 on Thu, 12 June 2014, 19:17:32
I think I'll save on shipping when I get the money and go check out EK's store front.
Post by: aref on Thu, 12 June 2014, 22:43:40
Post by: sacratoy on Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:20:43
KUL is selling on Amazon, but MX Red and Brown switches only.
Yeah, but no Clears.
Also, if you're in the CONUS, the price inc. shipping on EK is $129, which is the same as the Amazon price w/ prime. So... no price incentive. Though I do like to purchase things via Amazon. Great customer support.
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:27:54
the price inc. shipping on EK is $129
how are you achieving this?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:52:07
the price inc. shipping on EK is $129
how are you achieving this?
When you adds it to your cart, it comes up as $119. :D
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 12 June 2014, 23:58:16
When you adds it to your cart, it comes up as $119. :D
So it does! I was so preoccupied looking for a free shipping option that I didn't even notice. Thanks. :)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 18 June 2014, 19:43:34
If you have any questions about it just ask me in a PM or something.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 June 2014, 20:10:20
Though I love this board, I'm too lazy to write a long review for it.
If you have any questions about it just ask me in a PM or something.
Heh, me too. But I can tell you this is the best stock (MX) keyboard I've ever bought. Yes, it's that good. And I'm a Filco guy.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 18 June 2014, 20:15:04
Heh, me too. But I can tell you this is the best stock (MX) keyboard I've ever bought. Yes, it's that good. And I'm a Filco guy.
I just read the same comment you made in the EK thread and finally ordered one of my own. :p I don't need it and I'm lukewarm MX clears, but I really want to check this thing out.
What makes it better than a Filco, in your view?
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 18 June 2014, 20:39:21
The case and the feel mainly
Post by: PolaBurrr on Wed, 18 June 2014, 21:12:21
EVERYTHING
The case and the feel mainly
how are the stabilizers? Do they clip the bumpers like they do with ducky? And in pictures, it looks like there is some sort of rubber padding under the right shift key. Does that affect key feel for it? I may seriously consider picking one up, as I have been looking for a keyboard equivalent in build quality to filco, but with cherry stabilizers. This may be it. The only thing I don't particularly like is the design along the side edges... I prefer the generic look.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 19 June 2014, 09:55:14
EVERYTHING
The case and the feel mainly
how are the stabilizers? Do they clip the bumpers like they do with ducky? And in pictures, it looks like there is some sort of rubber padding under the right shift key. Does that affect key feel for it? I may seriously consider picking one up, as I have been looking for a keyboard equivalent in build quality to filco, but with cherry stabilizers. This may be it. The only thing I don't particularly like is the design along the side edges... I prefer the generic look.
I don't bottom out on mods, so I can't attest to stab quality. It seems pretty good, though.
Right shift feels like a right shift, those rubber pads are probably there for sound dampening.
This board if definitely better than a Filco, so you're good there.
Post by: dante on Thu, 19 June 2014, 22:31:44
BTW as of this post EK only has 1 KUL MX Clear left. Crap or get off the pot!
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 19 June 2014, 22:43:37
Post by: lightsout714 on Thu, 19 June 2014, 22:44:50
For anyone worried that the side of the case looks dumb. Its not bad in person and you really have to pick it up to even notice it.
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 19 June 2014, 22:55:42
For anyone worried that the side of the case looks dumb. Its not bad in person and you really have to pick it up to even notice it.
That was one of things that I was kinda iffy about. I wonder if they plan on making a beige or off-white version?
Post by: lightsout714 on Thu, 19 June 2014, 22:57:12
For anyone worried that the side of the case looks dumb. Its not bad in person and you really have to pick it up to even notice it.
That was one of things that I was kinda iffy about. I wonder if they plan on making a beige or off-white version?
Thats a good question I would like one myself. Should have asked Brian yesterday. I was too caught up in all the Topre goodies I got to play with.
Post by: ThomasBastiani on Fri, 20 June 2014, 06:36:38
The build quality definitely feels on par (at least) with the Filco. Plus it's available with clears and the MJ2 isn't. :-)
Post by: shadewolf on Fri, 20 June 2014, 07:16:45
Post by: dante on Fri, 20 June 2014, 07:41:49
Post by: ThomasBastiani on Fri, 20 June 2014, 08:21:45
Would you guys rate the KUL as higher quality than the Ducky Shine 3?
Sorry, I haven't ever used a ducky so I wouldn´t be able to tell.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 June 2014, 09:51:03
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 20 June 2014, 09:55:05
Just a quick addition since I just received my new KÛL ES 87 (with clears). I noticed that there are a couple of differences with my Filco MJ2 Ninja. The keycaps are made from a different plastic. The one on the the KÛL has slightly more texture even after taking into account the few months of wear on my Filco. I'm not entirely sure what other people will think of it but I definitely like it better. (Even though I'm not planning on sticking with the stock keycaps) Also the case has a slightly larger bezel and seems to sit a tiny bit lower than the Filco. (At least at the front without using the feet)
The build quality definitely feels on par (at least) with the Filco. Plus it's available with clears and the MJ2 isn't. :-)
I like the texture on the stock caps as well. As far as I know they are ABS. I believe Filco puts a thin rubber coating on their keycaps so they feel more slick.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 June 2014, 10:12:56
Post by: PolaBurrr on Fri, 20 June 2014, 10:28:40
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 June 2014, 10:34:33
Based on the teardown, it looks like KUL internals are compatible with Filco. What I would really like to know is if you can swap the cherry stab plate into a Filco and get a filco with clipped cherry stabs (no horrendous rattle!).
Maybe just get one of those Universal TKL plates, or one of the upcoming Universal 104/108/TKL plates.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 20 June 2014, 10:54:56
Would you guys rate the KUL as higher quality than the Ducky Shine 3?
Yes. I put the ducky at par with a QFR in terms of build. The only thing is has over my QFR is all the cool backlight modes.
Based on the teardown, it looks like KUL internals are compatible with Filco. What I would really like to know is if you can swap the cherry stab plate into a Filco and get a filco with clipped cherry stabs (no horrendous rattle!).
as far as I can tell yes
I don't want to take it apart, though
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 22 June 2014, 23:44:07
my KUL will be here on Wednesday.
(http://i.imgur.com/Xc4w1SW.png)
Post by: dante on Mon, 23 June 2014, 11:17:06
CRAP OR GET OFF THE POT.
Post by: Speakeazy on Mon, 23 June 2014, 12:47:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n99oF1voPSs&channel=JoanneTechLover (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n99oF1voPSs&channel=JoanneTechLover)
As someone who owns a Keycool 108 with MX Clears, I definitely love the look and feel of the KUL ES-87, especially in the MX-Clear variants. As everyone has said, it is a solid little keyboard that has a premium, no-nonsense approach. Not particularly flashy, but still well built and well-styled.
Even though it has ABS keys, it doesn't feel as shiny cheap as the Ducky 3 Shine that we reviewed. For some reason, I just didn't think the Ducky's key caps impressed me that much (just their light show, haha). The ABS key is not too far off from the POM key caps that are on my Keycool, actually.
Suprisingly, with all the different DIP switches and features on the board, there is no key function or DIP switch for Windows key lock.
Of course, since there is no full-size version of the KUL keyboard, I'm still keeping my Keycool 108 and will probably be using the KUL when I'm on the go.
As for the Topre comparison, I have variable weighted 55g Topre and for some reason, I still like the MX clears better. They feel very different, but I still prefer the MX-Clears over the Topre.
Post by: PolaBurrr on Mon, 23 June 2014, 12:55:03
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 23 June 2014, 17:25:44
KUL ARE YOU LISTENING
Post by: PolaBurrr on Mon, 23 June 2014, 18:14:40
Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 23 June 2014, 18:25:18
I want an ISO version..
Post by: dante on Mon, 23 June 2014, 18:29:13
feedback@keyeduplabs.com doesn't work. :(
I want an ISO version..
Try: sales@keyeduplabs.com
I emailed them asking if they would carry MX Black and got a response of a couple months.
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 23 June 2014, 20:17:12
The keyboard is fine, my desk now has a gross dent in it.
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 23 June 2014, 20:18:53
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 23 June 2014, 20:19:50
I really want one because the dip switch functionality sounds as perfect as possible for me without being fully hardware programmable. And the fact that I need a keyboard with a black case :p
DO IT
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 23 June 2014, 20:20:18
No money, spent all on pax trip and TV for man caveI really want one because the dip switch functionality sounds as perfect as possible for me without being fully hardware programmable. And the fact that I need a keyboard with a black case :p
DO IT
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 23 June 2014, 20:21:31
No money, spent all on pax trip and TV for man caveI really want one because the dip switch functionality sounds as perfect as possible for me without being fully hardware programmable. And the fact that I need a keyboard with a black case :p
DO IT WHEN YOU HAVE MONEY
THERE
Post by: lightsout714 on Mon, 23 June 2014, 20:46:22
Nice, what you get?and TV for man caveI really want one because the dip switch functionality sounds as perfect as possible for me without being fully hardware programmable. And the fact that I need a keyboard with a black case :p
DO IT
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 23 June 2014, 20:47:15
Post by: lightsout714 on Mon, 23 June 2014, 20:57:01
some 46 inch haier. just need it for chromecast and playing games, got it for 418 including tax which was apparently a deal. friends split the cost to buy it for my placeSweeet. Always fun buying a new TV.
Post by: PolaBurrr on Mon, 23 June 2014, 23:00:00
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 23 June 2014, 23:19:20
has anyone handled an fc750r or fc700r and can compare the build quality between that and the KUL?
I owned (briefly) an FC700R, and it wasn't even comparable. To me, my Filcos were better than the FC700R, and the KUL is better than the Filco.
IMO, the FC700R was about on par with my Keycool 87. Maybe slightly better.
Post by: ThomasBastiani on Tue, 24 June 2014, 02:14:07
If the KUL were available globally it would totally rock everyone's keyboarding world
KUL ARE YOU LISTENING
I couldn't wait. I got it shipped to the UK for 57 odd dollars worth of shipping plus customs (which I still haven't paid).
Also I got some keycaps from jdcarpe so here's pic (just because):
(http://i.imgur.com/R847ebu.jpg)
I was afraid that I would be able to see the LEDs without windowed keycaps but it's alright:
(http://i.imgur.com/op9G3r0.jpg)
Post by: hardlyhappy on Tue, 24 June 2014, 07:09:29
Now I want this.
One caveat - I'm got 'roos next door. I hope it can get here through them.
Post by: dante on Tue, 24 June 2014, 08:34:15
has anyone handled an fc750r or fc700r and can compare the build quality between that and the KUL?
I owned (briefly) an FC700R, and it wasn't even comparable. To me, my Filcos were better than the FC700R, and the KUL is better than the Filco.
IMO, the FC700R was about on par with my Keycool 87. Maybe slightly better.
I'm looking forward to someone doing a comparison between the KUL and FC750R.
Post by: lightsout714 on Tue, 24 June 2014, 10:28:00
That looks really nice with those blanks.If the KUL were available globally it would totally rock everyone's keyboarding world
KUL ARE YOU LISTENING
I couldn't wait. I got it shipped to the UK for 57 odd dollars worth of shipping plus customs (which I still haven't paid).
Also I got some keycaps from jdcarpe so here's pic (just because):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/R847ebu.jpg)
I was afraid that I would be able to see the LEDs without windowed keycaps but it's alright:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/op9G3r0.jpg)
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 24 June 2014, 17:14:24
has anyone handled an fc750r or fc700r and can compare the build quality between that and the KUL?
I owned (briefly) an FC700R, and it wasn't even comparable. To me, my Filcos were better than the FC700R, and the KUL is better than the Filco.
IMO, the FC700R was about on par with my Keycool 87. Maybe slightly better.
I'm looking forward to someone doing a comparison between the KUL and FC750R.
If I could find an FC750r in the states I'd do one.
Post by: PolaBurrr on Tue, 24 June 2014, 20:15:45
Ok, I think this is because there are no actual screws screwing the plate onto the bottom half of the case, and in a way, the plate and pcb are sandwiched between with the three screws going through the bottom half of the case and into the top (like what leopold did with their fc200). This gives a sort of "looser" feeling of the plate and pcb. Idk if it is just me, but the typing feel has a sort of hollow feel to it (the plate is not secured down, can feel vibrations through it). Not really a fan of this. I think that typing feel still has the edge on filco.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 June 2014, 09:11:31
does anyone notice that KUL has a softer feeling on bottom out? At least compared to ducky and filco, it feels a little bit softer, and not as defined and clacky. Don't know if I prefer it or not. It definitely makes it sound softer though.
Ok, I think this is because there are no actual screws screwing the plate onto the bottom half of the case, and in a way, the plate and pcb are sandwiched between with the three screws going through the bottom half of the case and into the top (like what leopold did with their fc200). This gives a sort of "looser" feeling of the plate and pcb. Idk if it is just me, but the typing feel has a sort of hollow feel to it (the plate is not secured down, can feel vibrations through it). Not really a fan of this. I think that typing feel still has the edge on filco.
I don't think that's the reason. I haven't done enough direct comparisons between a TKL Filco and the KUL 87 to really speak to the difference in feel, and I've also not taken apart my KUL yet.
The reason I don't think that's what is causing the difference you feel is that:
- I don't feel any difference between my TKL Filcos and my 104 Filcos; and
- The 104-key Filco Majestouch-2 PCB/plate assembly is not screwed to the case bottom either
Post by: sacratoy on Wed, 25 June 2014, 10:35:41
I thrown on some thick ducky pbt keycaps on it, and I think I enjoy pbt keycaps on clear switches the most. On my cherry brown keyboards, I always found abs plastic caps to have the best sensation.
This thing is solid, and feels great to type on. For the price, if you aren't looking for backlighting, I think this may be one of the best keyboards you can buy in the US.
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 June 2014, 10:40:39
I'm a bit disappointed in that the Clear switch has had very limited availability over the last year - I was hoping that the delay was Cherry replacing the molds with less thick stems. Oh well..
Post by: sacratoy on Wed, 25 June 2014, 10:43:19
My only concern with the clears is pulling stems when swapping keycaps - as it has happened to at least one person on rededit.
I'm a bit disappointed in that the Clear switch has had very limited availability over the last year - I was hoping that the delay was Cherry replacing the molds with less thick stems. Oh well..
Your concern about pulling stems isn't without warrent. I needed to be pretty careful removing the keycaps. They were very snugly seated on the clear stems.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 June 2014, 10:53:56
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 June 2014, 10:58:30
Post by: PolaBurrr on Wed, 25 June 2014, 11:04:49
does anyone notice that KUL has a softer feeling on bottom out? At least compared to ducky and filco, it feels a little bit softer, and not as defined and clacky. Don't know if I prefer it or not. It definitely makes it sound softer though.
Ok, I think this is because there are no actual screws screwing the plate onto the bottom half of the case, and in a way, the plate and pcb are sandwiched between with the three screws going through the bottom half of the case and into the top (like what leopold did with their fc200). This gives a sort of "looser" feeling of the plate and pcb. Idk if it is just me, but the typing feel has a sort of hollow feel to it (the plate is not secured down, can feel vibrations through it). Not really a fan of this. I think that typing feel still has the edge on filco.
I don't think that's the reason. I haven't done enough direct comparisons between a TKL Filco and the KUL 87 to really speak to the difference in feel, and I've also not taken apart my KUL yet.
The reason I don't think that's what is causing the difference you feel is that:
- I don't feel any difference between my TKL Filcos and my 104 Filcos; and
- The 104-key Filco Majestouch-2 PCB/plate assembly is not screwed to the case bottom either
interesting. But do you indeed feel a difference in bottom out feel between the KUL and tkl filco?
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 June 2014, 11:25:22
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 25 June 2014, 16:44:04
does anyone notice that KUL has a softer feeling on bottom out? At least compared to ducky and filco, it feels a little bit softer, and not as defined and clacky. Don't know if I prefer it or not. It definitely makes it sound softer though.
Ok, I think this is because there are no actual screws screwing the plate onto the bottom half of the case, and in a way, the plate and pcb are sandwiched between with the three screws going through the bottom half of the case and into the top (like what leopold did with their fc200). This gives a sort of "looser" feeling of the plate and pcb. Idk if it is just me, but the typing feel has a sort of hollow feel to it (the plate is not secured down, can feel vibrations through it). Not really a fan of this. I think that typing feel still has the edge on filco.
I don't think that's the reason. I haven't done enough direct comparisons between a TKL Filco and the KUL 87 to really speak to the difference in feel, and I've also not taken apart my KUL yet.
The reason I don't think that's what is causing the difference you feel is that:
- I don't feel any difference between my TKL Filcos and my 104 Filcos; and
- The 104-key Filco Majestouch-2 PCB/plate assembly is not screwed to the case bottom either
interesting. But do you indeed feel a difference in bottom out feel between the KUL and tkl filco?
Yes, it's softer, but I think that's a difference between reds/blues and clears, not the 2 boards.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 June 2014, 17:31:18
http://imgur.com/a/6KVhU
Post by: PolaBurrr on Wed, 25 June 2014, 20:55:20
does anyone notice that KUL has a softer feeling on bottom out? At least compared to ducky and filco, it feels a little bit softer, and not as defined and clacky. Don't know if I prefer it or not. It definitely makes it sound softer though.
Ok, I think this is because there are no actual screws screwing the plate onto the bottom half of the case, and in a way, the plate and pcb are sandwiched between with the three screws going through the bottom half of the case and into the top (like what leopold did with their fc200). This gives a sort of "looser" feeling of the plate and pcb. Idk if it is just me, but the typing feel has a sort of hollow feel to it (the plate is not secured down, can feel vibrations through it). Not really a fan of this. I think that typing feel still has the edge on filco.
I don't think that's the reason. I haven't done enough direct comparisons between a TKL Filco and the KUL 87 to really speak to the difference in feel, and I've also not taken apart my KUL yet.
The reason I don't think that's what is causing the difference you feel is that:
- I don't feel any difference between my TKL Filcos and my 104 Filcos; and
- The 104-key Filco Majestouch-2 PCB/plate assembly is not screwed to the case bottom either
interesting. But do you indeed feel a difference in bottom out feel between the KUL and tkl filco?
Yes, it's softer, but I think that's a difference between reds/blues and clears, not the 2 boards.
I am comparing filco tkl browns with kul browns. The plastic of the KUL case seems to be softer as well (abs perhaps?) I know that Filco has pbt for its case.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 June 2014, 21:03:24
I know that Filco has pbt for its case.
I don't think so... as far as I know, pretty much all plastic keyboard cases are ABS, including Filco. I have no data to support that, though, could be wrong... Just never heard that before.
Post by: PolaBurrr on Wed, 25 June 2014, 22:05:12
I know that Filco has pbt for its case.
I don't think so... as far as I know, pretty much all plastic keyboard cases are ABS, including Filco. I have no data to support that, though, could be wrong... Just never heard that before.
I don't quite remember where I heard it from, but I recall something about majestouch 1 being abs or something else, and mj2 changed to pbt? Not entirely positive, but from touch, it definitely feels like Filco has a harder case than the KUL.
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 25 June 2014, 22:07:03
Post by: TBone on Thu, 26 June 2014, 22:21:54
So excited to try a full MX Clear board.
Post by: do_Og@n on Fri, 27 June 2014, 00:17:33
Well duh do_Og@n! This is GeekHack! Review was excellent and gave me the answers I was looking for.
Thanks a bunch!!!
Post by: nobee on Fri, 27 June 2014, 08:16:03
Is it a huge difference in feel between the MX Clears and MX Browns? I love the browns, but I'm worried about the weight. It seems I'm a little bit more partial to lighter switches because for topre, I prefer the fc660c over the RF 55g, and for MX, I prefer red and brown over blue and black.
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 27 June 2014, 08:18:29
I have yet to try ergo clears, but I guess you don't wanna buy a new board just desolder all the switches and replace the springs ;)
Post by: TBone on Fri, 27 June 2014, 08:49:56
Post by: nobee on Fri, 27 June 2014, 09:38:16
They have an mx brown on elite keyboards too though! Get that if you already like browns. I'm coming from browns going to clears so I'll let you know how it goes. :thumb:
Yes, I was considering getting the mx brown version, but I'm still curious about clears. I think I should give clears a shot and from the sounds of it, this seems like a very good quality board with stock clears. The CODE and Leopold doesn't interest me as much which is why I never bothered to try it before.
Let me know how it feels compared to browns!
Post by: dante on Fri, 27 June 2014, 10:50:23
Post by: strict on Fri, 27 June 2014, 10:54:04
They have an mx brown on elite keyboards too though! Get that if you already like browns. I'm coming from browns going to clears so I'll let you know how it goes. :thumb:
Yes, I was considering getting the mx brown version, but I'm still curious about clears. I think I should give clears a shot and from the sounds of it, this seems like a very good quality board with stock clears. The CODE and Leopold doesn't interest me as much which is why I never bothered to try it before.
Let me know how it feels compared to browns!
Stock clears are amazing! Some people seem to think stock clears are so heavy but I have to disagree, they feel don't feel any heavier than most rubber dome keyboards I've compared them too. I've actually considered swapping heavier springs into mine ... something like sprit's 100g springs :))
Post by: dante on Fri, 27 June 2014, 10:55:16
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 27 June 2014, 10:59:52
I am seriously considering getting this board to replace my Realforce 87u 55g at work. I've never tried MX Clears before but I LOVE the feel of my Filco browns. I thought the 87u 55g was going to be my end game but frankly, I'm getting a little bored with my 55g.I'll give you my KUL w/clears for it :p
Post by: nobee on Fri, 27 June 2014, 13:05:26
Stock clears are amazing! Some people seem to think stock clears are so heavy but I have to disagree, they feel don't feel any heavier than most rubber dome keyboards I've compared them too. I've actually considered swapping heavier springs into mine ... something like sprit's 100g springs :))
Really huh? This is making my decision a lot easier.
I am seriously considering getting this board to replace my Realforce 87u 55g at work. I've never tried MX Clears before but I LOVE the feel of my Filco browns. I thought the 87u 55g was going to be my end game but frankly, I'm getting a little bored with my 55g.I'll give you my KUL w/clears for it :p
:eek: I might have to take you up on that offer! I'll PM you if I decide to do that. Why do you want to get rid of yours?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 27 June 2014, 14:16:09
They have an mx brown on elite keyboards too though! Get that if you already like browns. I'm coming from browns going to clears so I'll let you know how it goes. :thumb:
Yes, I was considering getting the mx brown version, but I'm still curious about clears. I think I should give clears a shot and from the sounds of it, this seems like a very good quality board with stock clears. The CODE and Leopold doesn't interest me as much which is why I never bothered to try it before.
Let me know how it feels compared to browns!
Stock clears are amazing! Some people seem to think stock clears are so heavy but I have to disagree, they feel don't feel any heavier than most rubber dome keyboards I've compared them too. I've actually considered swapping heavier springs into mine ... something like sprit's 100g springs :))
I put some 85g #legitballin' gold springs from sprit's GB in my clears a couple days ago when I did a switch lube and plate swap for my Filco 104. I need to post some pics. The switches feel great, though. Almost like stock Clears.
Post by: strict on Fri, 27 June 2014, 14:22:45
I put some 85g #legitballin' gold springs from sprit's GB in my clears a couple days ago when I did a switch lube and plate swap for my Filco 104. I need to post some pics. The switches feel great, though. Almost like stock Clears.
I actually ordered a pack of 85g springs from sprits current group buy because I wanted to try the same setup. Do his 85g spring feel heavier or lighter than the stock clear springs?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 27 June 2014, 14:47:08
I put some 85g #legitballin' gold springs from sprit's GB in my clears a couple days ago when I did a switch lube and plate swap for my Filco 104. I need to post some pics. The switches feel great, though. Almost like stock Clears.
I actually ordered a pack of 85g springs from sprits current group buy because I wanted to try the same setup. Do his 85g spring feel heavier or lighter than the stock clear springs?
They're very similar. Maybe just a slight bit heavier. I haven't done much typing with them yet, though. :)
Post by: HybridCore on Fri, 27 June 2014, 15:19:34
From what I'm reading the KUL ES-87 is a Filco competitor except costs much less for a person in the US (and DIP switches as a bonus)?
Post by: PolaBurrr on Fri, 27 June 2014, 15:49:37
Do want. Love my Filco MJ2 Ninja but purchasing it in Japan wasn't exactly the best option. JIS layout makes it hard to get another set of keys for it (and labels don't match up to output on some keys in the first place).
From what I'm reading the KUL ES-87 is a Filco competitor except costs much less for a person in the US (and DIP switches as a bonus)?
I wouldn't say it is definitely better than a filco tkl. As for me, I still prefer a Filco for typing feel, although I agree that case quality is a little better on the KUL. When typing on the KUL, I can't help but feel some hollowness and softness in the plate when typing in the center of the keyboard (y to p area). But price and availability atm are strong points of the KUL.
Post by: HybridCore on Fri, 27 June 2014, 15:54:22
I wouldn't say it is definitely better than a filco tkl. As for me, I still prefer a Filco for typing feel, although I agree that case quality is a little better on the KUL. When typing on the KUL, I can't help but feel some hollowness and softness in the plate when typing in the center of the keyboard (y to p area). But price and availability atm are strong points of the KUL.
Thanks! As for this and the CODE/WASD V2, are there any big differences? I've only been reading about the pinging on some WASD V2 boards, slightly different DIP switch functions, and case shape (the V2 profile from the side looks...unpleasant to me).
Post by: PolaBurrr on Fri, 27 June 2014, 16:19:25
I wouldn't say it is definitely better than a filco tkl. As for me, I still prefer a Filco for typing feel, although I agree that case quality is a little better on the KUL. When typing on the KUL, I can't help but feel some hollowness and softness in the plate when typing in the center of the keyboard (y to p area). But price and availability atm are strong points of the KUL.
Thanks! As for this and the CODE/WASD V2, are there any big differences? I've only been reading about the pinging on some WASD V2 boards, slightly different DIP switch functions, and case shape (the V2 profile from the side looks...unpleasant to me).
This is built a little bit better than v2/code, and has cherry stabilizers, which you may or may not prefer, but I think that the KUL is a better board.
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 27 June 2014, 18:11:55
Stock clears are amazing! Some people seem to think stock clears are so heavy but I have to disagree, they feel don't feel any heavier than most rubber dome keyboards I've compared them too. I've actually considered swapping heavier springs into mine ... something like sprit's 100g springs :))
Really huh? This is making my decision a lot easier.I am seriously considering getting this board to replace my Realforce 87u 55g at work. I've never tried MX Clears before but I LOVE the feel of my Filco browns. I thought the 87u 55g was going to be my end game but frankly, I'm getting a little bored with my 55g.I'll give you my KUL w/clears for it :p
:eek: I might have to take you up on that offer! I'll PM you if I decide to do that. Why do you want to get rid of yours?
I actually don't want to get rid of it I love it. But I tried 55g topre the day I bought it and fell in love.
Post by: shadewolf on Mon, 30 June 2014, 13:21:20
The board is solid otherwise though, and while I do like the profile of the stock caps, I need to get some doubleshots on here as I hate feeling the legends under my fingertips!
Edit: Although boy does it take some serious wiggle to get a keycap off of a Clear stem!
Post by: TBone on Tue, 01 July 2014, 19:44:14
Ask me questions!
I moved over from MX Browns and I think this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm a Computer Science student working as a software dev this summer, but I also game a bit (mostly during the school year. I wasn't sure about going with Black vs another Brown keyboard, so I'm glad I found this keyboard!! Barebones, simple - yet many features (8 DIP switches). LED's under the keys (the glow is so sexy). An actual Menu key (with the DIP switch). No insignia (unless you want it, whoever thought of that deserves a raise).
I may get another one of these in MX-Blue Full Size if they release it. Most likely I'll grab another one it Red's when I get my Dolch Replica key set. You can consider me a KUL fan. I'm glad I got this over a Filco. This thing is a tank.
Post by: nobee on Tue, 01 July 2014, 20:59:00
I love mine with Clears, just through on my new SP Granite PBT keycaps!! Check it out: http://imgur.com/a/v5DB9
Ask me questions!
I moved over from MX Browns and I think this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm a Computer Science student working as a software dev this summer, but I also game a bit (mostly during the school year. I wasn't sure about going with Black vs another Brown keyboard, so I'm glad I found this keyboard!! Barebones, simple - yet many features (8 DIP switches). LED's under the keys (the glow is so sexy). An actual Menu key (with the DIP switch). No insignia (unless you want it, whoever thought of that deserves a raise).
I may get another one of these in MX-Blue Full Size if they release it. Most likely I'll grab another one it Red's when I get my Dolch Replica key set. You can consider me a KUL fan. I'm glad I got this over a Filco. This thing is a tank.
Nice looking board! I also have MX Browns so I'm glad to hear you like the MX Clears. I'm going to put GMK Dolch on mine. Just waiting on Ivan's GB so I'll probably get to enjoy the stock keycaps for a while until those arrive.
Post by: TBone on Tue, 01 July 2014, 21:05:23
I love mine with Clears, just through on my new SP Granite PBT keycaps!! Check it out: http://imgur.com/a/v5DB9
Ask me questions!
I moved over from MX Browns and I think this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm a Computer Science student working as a software dev this summer, but I also game a bit (mostly during the school year. I wasn't sure about going with Black vs another Brown keyboard, so I'm glad I found this keyboard!! Barebones, simple - yet many features (8 DIP switches). LED's under the keys (the glow is so sexy). An actual Menu key (with the DIP switch). No insignia (unless you want it, whoever thought of that deserves a raise).
I may get another one of these in MX-Blue Full Size if they release it. Most likely I'll grab another one it Red's when I get my Dolch Replica key set. You can consider me a KUL fan. I'm glad I got this over a Filco. This thing is a tank.
Nice looking board! I also have MX Browns so I'm glad to hear you like the MX Clears. I'm going to put GMK Dolch on mine. Just waiting on Ivan's GB so I'll probably get to enjoy the stock keycaps for a while until those arrive.
Nice, the stock keycaps are laser engraved. They have pretty good contrast so it should be nice while they stay clean.
Post by: lightsout714 on Tue, 01 July 2014, 22:47:19
I love mine with Clears, just through on my new SP Granite PBT keycaps!! Check it out: http://imgur.com/a/v5DB9
Ask me questions!
I moved over from MX Browns and I think this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm a Computer Science student working as a software dev this summer, but I also game a bit (mostly during the school year. I wasn't sure about going with Black vs another Brown keyboard, so I'm glad I found this keyboard!! Barebones, simple - yet many features (8 DIP switches). LED's under the keys (the glow is so sexy). An actual Menu key (with the DIP switch). No insignia (unless you want it, whoever thought of that deserves a raise).
I may get another one of these in MX-Blue Full Size if they release it. Most likely I'll grab another one it Red's when I get my Dolch Replica key set. You can consider me a KUL fan. I'm glad I got this over a Filco. This thing is a tank.
I'm not a big fan of DSA but that set looks really sweet on that board. These boards have a very nice look to them in pictures. Almost look like a custom with that nice set on there.
Post by: TBone on Wed, 02 July 2014, 13:08:27
Post by: digi on Wed, 02 July 2014, 13:24:10
I will be doing the Cherry Stabilizer Mod on this board in the next week or two, I'll report back on how it goes. Wish me luck! :thumb:
You're going to mod the cherry pcb mount stabs to cherry stabs? :o whyyyy?
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 02 July 2014, 13:32:06
I will be doing the Cherry Stabilizer Mod on this board in the next week or two, I'll report back on how it goes. Wish me luck! :thumb:
You're going to mod the cherry pcb mount stabs to cherry stabs? :o whyyyy?
He is probably talking about clipping the stabs to remove the mushy feeling. Clipped Cherry stabs feel like Costar stabs :thumb:
Post by: digi on Wed, 02 July 2014, 13:32:36
I will be doing the Cherry Stabilizer Mod on this board in the next week or two, I'll report back on how it goes. Wish me luck! :thumb:
You're going to mod the cherry pcb mount stabs to cherry stabs? :o whyyyy?
He is probably talking about clipping the stabs to remove the mushy feeling. Clipped Cherry stabs feel like Costar stabs :thumb:
ah ok, that makes sense...whew.
Post by: TBone on Wed, 02 July 2014, 13:59:25
I will be doing the Cherry Stabilizer Mod on this board in the next week or two, I'll report back on how it goes. Wish me luck! :thumb:
You're going to mod the cherry pcb mount stabs to cherry stabs? :o whyyyy?
He is probably talking about clipping the stabs to remove the mushy feeling. Clipped Cherry stabs feel like Costar stabs :thumb:
ah ok, that makes sense...whew.
They are already Cherry Plate mounted. I am going to clip the bottoms to make them feel less mushy.
Post by: digi on Wed, 02 July 2014, 16:49:21
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 02 July 2014, 17:50:30
Post by: digi on Wed, 02 July 2014, 17:56:16
Post by: lightsout714 on Wed, 02 July 2014, 17:57:59
Post by: nobee on Wed, 02 July 2014, 18:08:57
Anyone know what the led on ESC is for?
Power Mode!!! It sounds funny actually. Like your keyboard is a Transformer or something.
t=7m39s
Post by: TBone on Wed, 02 July 2014, 18:39:57
Anyone know what the led on ESC is for?
Power Mode!!! It sounds funny actually. Like your keyboard is a Transformer or something.
t=7m39s
I cannot think of a use for this though? Is it some old function for terminals or something?
Post by: lightsout714 on Wed, 02 July 2014, 19:15:55
Post by: digi on Wed, 02 July 2014, 21:03:45
Post by: dante on Thu, 03 July 2014, 11:27:07
Post by: Mercury7 on Fri, 04 July 2014, 09:00:21
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 July 2014, 13:52:54
Anyone tried to fit this board into an aluminum case (vortex or similar)?
I'm PRETTY SURE (as in I tried and it didn't work but I might be dumb) it's not compatible with Filco cases, so it won't work with those
which is really unfortunate
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 July 2014, 14:54:16
so that's a thing
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 04 July 2014, 14:56:09
after a month my backspace and enter keys are squeaking pretty badlySqueaking huh. I'll have to keep an eye on mine.
so that's a thing
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Fri, 04 July 2014, 14:57:49
after a month my backspace and enter keys are squeaking pretty badlyWeird, while I don't own a KUL myself, a lot of people were having this issue with those CODE keyboards from WASD. Is this some sort of inherent issue with clears? Or more of just a stabilizer issue in general? I know those the keyboards use different stabilizers. Hopefully with a little bit of lube it can go back to sounding normal for you.
so that's a thing
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 July 2014, 14:59:55
backspace is one of my most used keys, but spacebar is fine
how strange
it's just backspace, not enter now that I test it again
I'll update if I figure out what's up, I'm gonna do a teardown
Post by: ThomasBastiani on Fri, 04 July 2014, 16:19:17
after a month my backspace and enter keys are squeaking pretty badlyTell me about it. It drives me up the wall! I thought that lubing the switches/stabilizers would fix it. I haven't tried yet though.
so that's a thing
Post by: Th3KAS on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:41:13
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:45:16
Post by: TBone on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:47:34
I've noticed that the MX Clears on my KUL seem to be more tactile on the upstroke than the downstroke, has anybody else noticed this?
That's why I love clears! It's so satisfying, but it would be interesting to have a clear with no up bump!
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:48:46
but a cool idea nonetheless
Post by: strict on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:52:15
I've noticed that the MX Clears on my KUL seem to be more tactile on the upstroke than the downstroke, has anybody else noticed this?
that's just a thing with clears
Both of my boards with clears have a similar sensation, though it's more noticeable with the stock clears. The 65g clears are more tactile on the downstroke but the upstroke feels the same as the stock clears. 65g clear downstroke tacticality seems to be almost exactly even with upstroke tacticality whereas stock clear downstroke is noticeably less tactile than the upstroke.
Post by: nobee on Fri, 04 July 2014, 19:42:55
Post by: 1839cc on Fri, 04 July 2014, 19:44:02
I've noticed that the MX Clears on my KUL seem to be more tactile on the upstroke than the downstroke, has anybody else noticed this?
That's why I love clears! It's so satisfying, but it would be interesting to have a clear with no up bump!
That would probably be similar to black ALPS. I prefer the two-way tactility of the clears.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 July 2014, 22:05:36
Has anybody tried 62g springs on this board yet?
I will when I get some 62g springs
they're really hard to find right now for some reason
Post by: n0rvig on Fri, 04 July 2014, 22:21:19
Post by: Aidenknives on Fri, 04 July 2014, 23:53:16
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 05 July 2014, 00:30:53
How do you like the feel of the clears? Are they basically blues without the click sound?
Not at all, they are stiff similar to browns but with a much bigger bump.
Post by: TBone on Sat, 05 July 2014, 09:47:06
How do you like the feel of the clears? Are they basically blues without the click sound?
I like them, but there is no drop in actuation force like the blues, hence the click feel, similar to that of a pen.
My next board will probably be Blues, but I'm glad I picked up some Clears first.
Post by: TBone on Tue, 08 July 2014, 23:19:50
Post by: digi on Tue, 08 July 2014, 23:21:46
Post by: lightsout714 on Wed, 09 July 2014, 00:29:56
Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding. :pI wouldn't mind some pics.
Post by: iLLucionist on Wed, 09 July 2014, 08:25:06
Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding. :p
What exactly is a clip mod?
Post by: TBone on Wed, 09 July 2014, 08:58:02
Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding. :p
What exactly is a clip mod?
You clip and file down these feet on the bottom of Cherry stabilizers that are designed to absorb impact on the PCB. They are very unnecessary on any modern boards, especially plate mounted, and just make the stabilizer feel sluggish and a little heavy at the bottom. Clip them off and flatten the bottom and the stabilizers feel better than Costar stabilizers.
Post by: iLLucionist on Wed, 09 July 2014, 11:59:29
Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding. :p
What exactly is a clip mod?
You clip and file down these feet on the bottom of Cherry stabilizers that are designed to absorb impact on the PCB. They are very unnecessary on any modern boards, especially plate mounted, and just make the stabilizer feel sluggish and a little heavy at the bottom. Clip them off and flatten the bottom and the stabilizers feel better than Costar stabilizers.
Nice, good to keep in mind if I order one. Thanks!
Btw.. why is it so difficult to pull caps with these cherry stabs? I am thinking about ordering one sooner or later, but I most definitely want blank caps.
Post by: TBone on Wed, 09 July 2014, 13:04:24
Nice, good to keep in mind if I order one. Thanks!
Btw.. why is it so difficult to pull caps with these cherry stabs? I am thinking about ordering one sooner or later, but I most definitely want blank caps.
Look at Grendel's message here http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53113.msg1183206#msg1183206, there are little tabs on the sides of clear stems where the keycap goes on. This makes it a little tighter. If you have a wire puller this shouldn't be an issue, but people have pulled stems out when being careless/pulling like they are Reds/Blues/etc.
IIRC, Cherry added it because Clears were designed for industrial situations where they didn't want keycaps falling off in case of drops.
Post by: TBone on Wed, 09 July 2014, 13:04:47
Post by: nobee on Thu, 10 July 2014, 13:18:19
All in all, build quality is pretty good. This thing is sturdy. I love the cable channels in the back and the fact that the cable is also removable. I'll probably end up replacing the stock keycaps, but they still feel quite nice. Although, I'm not a big fan of feeling the lasered legends when I type.
I think for me to fully enjoy this keyboard, I'll have to do all the above mods, then it will be perfect. :)
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Post by: Lpwl on Thu, 10 July 2014, 16:53:22
Is the mini USB connector attached to case itself or is it only held in by the pins (like in my CODE keyboard ... which is not kûl) ?
Post by: TBone on Thu, 10 July 2014, 17:11:37
About that removable cable :
Is the mini USB connector attached to case itself or is it only held in by the pins (like in my CODE keyboard ... which is not kûl) ?
I can check when I get home, I have mine taken apart currently.
Post by: TBone on Thu, 10 July 2014, 21:11:44
Post by: Sniping on Fri, 11 July 2014, 03:27:21
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10464274_685479371517725_534026633506471474_n.png)
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 11 July 2014, 03:42:18
Only minor complaint for me is that the side is still black, but I guess I won't see this anyway while using the board.
Hopefully they also offer more switch choices for these versions.
Post by: Lpwl on Fri, 11 July 2014, 05:08:31
Ok so the USB connector is connected to the case to a little chip that has four screws connecting it to the case, looks pretty solid. But the connector does look like it is soldered to the little pcb chip. I really don't want to take it off right now to further investigate but it does seem much more solid than my Ducky Shine I when I compare.
That's what I thought.
It looks like the same "bad design" :(
Plugging / unplugging the cord on this KUL keyboard could also break (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48949.msg1366928#msg1366928) the mini USB connector. I just hope being wrong.
(http://i.imgur.com/WTzP6vn.jpg)
(potato pic I found there (http://imgur.com/a/ODUjN))
(http://i.imgur.com/P9KVDlh.png)
(this pic comes from eyesmiles (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59116.msg1354555#msg1354555) - thank you by the way !)
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 11 July 2014, 06:56:32
KUL just announced some new case colors.Show Image(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10464274_685479371517725_534026633506471474_n.png)
Holy cr*p white... White KB with Clears. When are they available? I want one :eek:
Post by: dante on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:51:18
Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:55:54
FC700R ruined white cases for me - the paint job was crap.
What happened?
Post by: dante on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:59:18
FC700R ruined white cases for me - the paint job was crap.
What happened?
I scratched mine with no effort.
Post by: TBone on Fri, 11 July 2014, 08:58:32
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 11 July 2014, 12:23:34
FC700R ruined white cases for me - the paint job was crap.
What happened?
I scratched mine with no effort.
I also have the FC700R in white and it stills looks like new.
Whatever you made to scratch yours would probably have scratched any other board as well...
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 11 July 2014, 16:25:11
KUL just announced some new case colors.Show Image(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10464274_685479371517725_534026633506471474_n.png)
MUH WALLET
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 11 July 2014, 17:50:03
EDIT*** From their facebook page.
Quote
How about a colorful top case for your ES-87? Coming this Summer from KUL!
Looks like it is just the case, I asked on FB for clarity will report back.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 11 July 2014, 17:58:29
i just spend $200 on a new jacket :(
Post by: iLLucionist on Wed, 16 July 2014, 05:29:56
KUL just announced some new case colors.Show Image(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10464274_685479371517725_534026633506471474_n.png)
Where did you find this? I am googling my *ss off but can't find it anywhere..
Post by: TBone on Wed, 16 July 2014, 08:47:37
KUL just announced some new case colors.Show Image(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10464274_685479371517725_534026633506471474_n.png)
Where did you find this? I am googling my *ss off but can't find it anywhere..
Keyed Up Labs Facebook page.
Post by: shadewolf on Wed, 16 July 2014, 10:18:16
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 16 July 2014, 16:32:07
Excited for that white case top - hopefully they're reasonably priced!
I'm buying a red one either way lol
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 16 July 2014, 16:55:51
Okay I'll get one in blue.
Post by: cmadrid on Thu, 17 July 2014, 02:29:03
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 17 July 2014, 02:33:59
I wonder if these top cases would fit onto a QFR or Filco. That would certainly expand their target audience for the top case
It doesn't look like it will fit anything else because of the way the sides of the KUL ES-87 are.
Post by: cmadrid on Thu, 17 July 2014, 07:22:03
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 17 July 2014, 15:28:59
I dunno, it looks kinda like the black part of the sides is just the bottom part of the case. Can't tell for sure tho
it is
as far as i can tell the KUL's topcase doesn't work with my Filco boards
Post by: cmadrid on Thu, 17 July 2014, 17:28:18
Post by: SpecTP on Mon, 21 July 2014, 00:23:05
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 21 July 2014, 01:56:08
Only positive responses until now, but I want to wait for a MX Blue version.
Does anybody know whether other MX switches are planned for the future?
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 21 July 2014, 01:58:28
Yeah, I also want to try a KUL!
Only positive responses until now, but I want to wait for a MX Blue version.
Does anybody know whether other MX switches are planned for the future?
I hope they do. I'm also waiting on a MX Blue version to come out.
Post by: itsComplicated on Sat, 26 July 2014, 16:46:32
Here is my video review of the KUL ES-87 with Clear switches.
I really liked the board but struggled with double tapping the spacebar while gaming with the Clear switches. They're good for building finger strength for guitar players though.
I've got a dead Leopold with Red switches. How hard would it be to put those in the ES-87?
(link fixed)I've got a dead Leopold with Red switches. How hard would it be to put those in the ES-87?
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 26 July 2014, 17:36:37
and probably not too hard to swap the switches.
Post by: itsComplicated on Sat, 26 July 2014, 18:01:14
your video doesn't work
and probably not too hard to swap the switches.
Oh no! Here are links for the youtube vid or if you prefer dailymotion I've got you covered.
http://youtu.be/6z8lAAxGc-Q (http://youtu.be/6z8lAAxGc-Q)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2215wu_kul-es-87_videogames (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2215wu_kul-es-87_videogames)
And let's test that youtube embeded url one more time. Let's try the short link.
Post by: dante on Sat, 26 July 2014, 18:30:33
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Sat, 26 July 2014, 18:35:08
your video doesn't work
and probably not too hard to swap the switches.
Oh no! Here are links for the youtube vid or if you prefer dailymotion I've got you covered.
http://youtu.be/6z8lAAxGc-Q (http://youtu.be/6z8lAAxGc-Q)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2215wu_kul-es-87_videogames (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2215wu_kul-es-87_videogames)
And let's test that youtube embeded url one more time. Let's try the short link.
Yeah! Terrific review, I'm glad to hear Brian took care of you.
I laughed when the the one guy said "My keyboard was $9.99" in response to your question. I guess that polling rate is a little bit of marketing, I don't think I would notice a difference either.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 26 July 2014, 18:38:18
and we use the same chair
also DIP switches only work of you unplug the keyboard, change the switch then plug it back in
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 26 July 2014, 23:31:30
Still no blues though :(
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 26 July 2014, 23:33:12
EK now offers KULs with MX red as well.
Still no blues though :(
and black!
Post by: Lpwl on Sun, 27 July 2014, 02:46:58
your video doesn't work
and probably not too hard to swap the switches.
Oh no! Here are links for the youtube vid or if you prefer dailymotion I've got you covered.
http://youtu.be/6z8lAAxGc-Q (http://youtu.be/6z8lAAxGc-Q)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2215wu_kul-es-87_videogames (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2215wu_kul-es-87_videogames)
And let's test that youtube embeded url one more time. Let's try the short link.
Welcome to Geekhack ! Very nice video & review.
Switching from MX Black to MX Clear was tough for me too and I can feel your pain when you say you had trouble with "double pressing spacebar" quickly enough.
I was playing Titanfall - another FPS where double jump is required - when I bought my CODE keyboard and during the first 2 days, I was thinking "I can't play with this... my old keyboard w/ MX Black is way better".
... a week later, after lubing stabs and some practising, I had already much less trouble.
Now, few months later, I could not be happier !
I am really enjoying MX Clear switches (w/ some soft O-rings) for any gaming (FPS / MOBA / RTS etc).
I guess that the learning curve with MX Clear requires more time than any other switches ?
Post by: SpecTP on Mon, 28 July 2014, 15:53:58
Post by: EpicSNES on Fri, 01 August 2014, 02:36:30
Anyone tried to fit this board into an aluminum case (vortex or similar)?
I'm PRETTY SURE (as in I tried and it didn't work but I might be dumb) it's not compatible with Filco cases, so it won't work with those
which is really unfortunate
Does anyone know of any custom cases that might be compatible with this?
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 01 August 2014, 17:39:05
Although KUL may be making some options themselves
Post by: itsComplicated on Fri, 01 August 2014, 18:08:11
that's a GREAT review. I enjoyed it a lot.
and we use the same chair
also DIP switches only work of you unplug the keyboard, change the switch then plug it back in
I'm glad you guys and gals enjoyed the review. I'll keep that in mind about the dip switches working only if the board is unplugged then plugged back in. It really is a nice kb. If elitekeyboards.com gets one with a red or white case in I'm probably going to buy one. I'll sell my CM Stealth to help pay for it. I'm not sure if the black switches would also be too much resistance for my trembling little feeble hands. I'm happy with the browns. Good typing/gaming compromise.
I'll get some o-rings and try that on the KUL. Good tip thanks.
My ergonomics professor was the head of the Aeron Chair project at HM. I was quite excited when an opportunity arose to acquire one at a reasonable price (free). I'd like to upgrade the lumbar cushion to the Posture Fit. Gorilla glue and electrical tape does a great disservice to it's aesthetics. :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/K2GFljN.jpg) (http://imgur.com/K2GFljN)
Post by: TheMark on Fri, 01 August 2014, 18:38:39
that's a GREAT review. I enjoyed it a lot.
and we use the same chair
also DIP switches only work of you unplug the keyboard, change the switch then plug it back in
I'm glad you guys and gals enjoyed the review. I'll keep that in mind about the dip switches working only if the board is unplugged then plugged back in. It really is a nice kb. If elitekeyboards.com gets one with a red or white case in I'm probably going to buy one. I'll sell my CM Stealth to help pay for it. I'm not sure if the black switches would also be too much resistance for my trembling little feeble hands. I'm happy with the browns. Good typing/gaming compromise.
I'll get some o-rings and try that on the KUL. Good tip thanks.
My ergonomics professor was the head of the Aeron Chair project at HM. I was quite excited when an opportunity arose to acquire one at a reasonable price (free). I'd like to upgrade the lumbar cushion to the Posture Fit. Gorilla glue and electrical tape does a great disservice to it's aesthetics. :thumb:
Great review!
My Aeron is 12yrs old now... It's in serious need of a tuneup, stuff has loosened up with use.
Post by: TheMark on Fri, 01 August 2014, 18:44:17
I love mine with Clears, just through on my new SP Granite PBT keycaps!! Check it out: http://imgur.com/a/v5DB9
Ask me questions!
I moved over from MX Browns and I think this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm a Computer Science student working as a software dev this summer, but I also game a bit (mostly during the school year. I wasn't sure about going with Black vs another Brown keyboard, so I'm glad I found this keyboard!! Barebones, simple - yet many features (8 DIP switches). LED's under the keys (the glow is so sexy). An actual Menu key (with the DIP switch). No insignia (unless you want it, whoever thought of that deserves a raise).
I may get another one of these in MX-Blue Full Size if they release it. Most likely I'll grab another one it Red's when I get my Dolch Replica key set. You can consider me a KUL fan. I'm glad I got this over a Filco. This thing is a tank.
I'm new, so please forgive the question. I love the look of the granite keycaps, I went to the SP website but cannot locate. Can you please point out where I can find this set? Thanks in advance.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 01 August 2014, 18:51:42
that's a GREAT review. I enjoyed it a lot.
and we use the same chair
also DIP switches only work of you unplug the keyboard, change the switch then plug it back in
I'm glad you guys and gals enjoyed the review. I'll keep that in mind about the dip switches working only if the board is unplugged then plugged back in. It really is a nice kb. If elitekeyboards.com gets one with a red or white case in I'm probably going to buy one. I'll sell my CM Stealth to help pay for it. I'm not sure if the black switches would also be too much resistance for my trembling little feeble hands. I'm happy with the browns. Good typing/gaming compromise.
I'll get some o-rings and try that on the KUL. Good tip thanks.
My ergonomics professor was the head of the Aeron Chair project at HM. I was quite excited when an opportunity arose to acquire one at a reasonable price (free). I'd like to upgrade the lumbar cushion to the Posture Fit. Gorilla glue and electrical tape does a great disservice to it's aesthetics. :thumb:
Great review!
My Aeron is 12yrs old now... It's in serious need of a tuneup, stuff has loosened up with use.
My dad got his (then my mom's, now mine) when he started working for Comcast in 1998. It's old but it's held up.
Post by: caesar on Sat, 02 August 2014, 04:29:01
Here is my video review of the KUL ES-87 with Clear switches.I really liked the board but struggled with double tapping the spacebar while gaming with the Clear switches. They're good for building finger strength for guitar players though.(link fixed)
I've got a dead Leopold with Red switches. How hard would it be to put those in the ES-87?
Awesome! Thank you, man.
Post by: EpicSNES on Sat, 02 August 2014, 19:06:22
Post by: HybridCore on Sun, 03 August 2014, 08:25:49
your video doesn't work
and probably not too hard to swap the switches.
I believe we have access to the clips that hold the top half of the Cherry MX assembly so we can quickly swap out stems and springs without resoldering.
Post by: lightsout714 on Sun, 03 August 2014, 15:20:42
your video doesn't work
and probably not too hard to swap the switches.
I believe we have access to the clips that hold the top half of the Cherry MX assembly so we can quickly swap out stems and springs without resoldering.
On the stock KUL plate? I don't think so, would be awesome if so.
Post by: Lord of Narwhals on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:31:33
Is there a cheaper way for me to get this keyboard to Sweden?
Post by: caesar on Sun, 03 August 2014, 19:34:51
I've been planning on getting this keyboard with red switches but I just realised that shipping to Sweden is $38 :-\
Is there a cheaper way for me to get this keyboard to Sweden?
Ask seller, can he send it to u with normal priority/economy shipping (20-30$ i think)
Post by: EpicSNES on Mon, 04 August 2014, 00:10:09
Anyone have pics to share of their KUL with custom keycaps?
E: Typo's
Post by: lightsout714 on Mon, 04 August 2014, 00:53:24
I need to find a nice keycap set for this board. I've never bought a set of keycaps before ;DI have a dolch set coming for mine from the recent GB. Can't wait. I think there was a pic early in the thread with a similar setup.
Anyone have pics to share of their KUL with custom keycaps?
E: Typo's
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 07 August 2014, 12:13:36
I need to find a nice keycap set for this board. I've never bought a set of keycaps before ;D
Anyone have pics to share of their KUL with custom keycaps?
E: Typo's
Soon.
your video doesn't work
and probably not too hard to swap the switches.
I believe we have access to the clips that hold the top half of the Cherry MX assembly so we can quickly swap out stems and springs without resoldering.
This is false.
Post by: cruzin on Thu, 07 August 2014, 12:20:41
I need to find a nice keycap set for this board. I've never bought a set of keycaps before ;D
Anyone have pics to share of their KUL with custom keycaps?
E: Typo's
There's a pic with Originative keycaps here.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/27sz5o/my_kul_es87_arrived_mx_clear/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/27sz5o/my_kul_es87_arrived_mx_clear/)
Post by: G-Dubs on Fri, 08 August 2014, 21:22:40
Post by: jam3s121 on Sat, 09 August 2014, 11:25:21
would it be a upgrade to the quickfire rapid i own? (this keyboard was nice but is falling apart on me from someone elses neglect)
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 09 August 2014, 11:42:10
if i bought one of these are they compatible with the majority of nice dyesub and pbt/abs cap sets for ducky/filco?
would it be a upgrade to the quickfire rapid i own? (this keyboard was nice but is falling apart on me from someone elses neglect)
Yes, the general opinion in this forum is that the KUL is one of the best if not the best stock keyboard you can buy right now :thumb:
Post by: jam3s121 on Sat, 09 August 2014, 12:02:23
if i bought one of these are they compatible with the majority of nice dyesub and pbt/abs cap sets for ducky/filco?
would it be a upgrade to the quickfire rapid i own? (this keyboard was nice but is falling apart on me from someone elses neglect)
Yes, the general opinion in this forum is that the KUL is one of the best if not the best stock keyboard you can buy right now :thumb:
so if i bought this for the KUL it would all fit?
http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=59
sorry I'm used to my cheapo steelseries and cm storm not compatible with all keycaps.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 09 August 2014, 12:06:17
KUL is filco layout so any normal 1.25x set will fit
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 09 August 2014, 12:06:54
Post by: jam3s121 on Sat, 09 August 2014, 12:13:32
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 09 August 2014, 12:17:55
thanks, ordering now :D
Congrats!
:D
Post by: Hucifer on Sat, 09 August 2014, 12:45:00
Another happy new KUL owner here.
Here's a link to the KUL vs Filco Photo Showdown (http://imgur.com/a/InI0N#16) and general thoughts (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2d2x9v/review_filco_mj2_vs_kul_es87_showdown_details_in/cjlilym) I posted about these two boards. Might be useful for some folks here.
I messaged KUL on Facebook and asked when the new case tops might be available. Hoping to hear a reply. ;D
The KUL stockist in Hong Kong I bought mine from said the cases would be available from earl September, for what it's worth.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 09 August 2014, 13:02:09
Do they have versions with MX Blue over there?
Post by: Roark17 on Sat, 09 August 2014, 13:02:43
Hey guys.
Another happy new KUL owner here.
Here's a link to the KUL vs Filco Photo Showdown (http://imgur.com/a/InI0N#16) and general thoughts (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2d2x9v/review_filco_mj2_vs_kul_es87_showdown_details_in/cjlilym) I posted about these two boards. Might be useful for some folks here.
Thanks for taking the time to post this album. KUL and Filco are so similar. Each have their own pros and cons, and I feel like neither objectively wins over the other. Would you be able to comment on how well the ES-87 stays put on a desk without the feet compared to the Filco?
Post by: Hucifer on Sat, 09 August 2014, 13:14:15
Thanks for taking the time to post this album. KUL and Filco are so similar. Each have their own pros and cons, and I feel like neither objectively wins over the other. Would you be able to comment on how well the ES-87 stays put on a desk without the feet compared to the Filco?
As I mentioned in the further comments, the Filco stays more firmly in place on my desk without the feet. I think this is because the Filco's rubber grips are positioned on the top edge of the base rather then the side, as on the KUL.
What did you pay for it in Hong Kong?
Do they have versions with MX Blue over there?
Retail price was $130(USD). I got free shipping as I was the first person in Thailand to order one and they waived the cost in exchange for me giving them some info on the Thai mechanical keyboard market. The Hong Kong reseller was very helpful and even undervalued the keyboard so I only paid around $12 in import fees. So all in all I paid $142. Not bad :D!
No blue switches yet, sadly.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 09 August 2014, 13:26:56
Post by: Roark17 on Sat, 09 August 2014, 13:59:32
As I mentioned in the further comments, the Filco stays more firmly in place on my desk without the feet. I think this is because the Filco's rubber grips are positioned on the top edge of the base rather then the side, as on the KUL.
Oh I see now. I misunderstood the comment that said "folded up." Sorry about that.
Post by: Hucifer on Sat, 09 August 2014, 14:28:43
No worries. I often get confused about what feet up/down actually means tooAs I mentioned in the further comments, the Filco stays more firmly in place on my desk without the feet. I think this is because the Filco's rubber grips are positioned on the top edge of the base rather then the side, as on the KUL.
Oh I see now. I misunderstood the comment that said "folded up." Sorry about that.
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 09 August 2014, 18:38:08
if i bought one of these are they compatible with the majority of nice dyesub and pbt/abs cap sets for ducky/filco?
would it be a upgrade to the quickfire rapid i own? (this keyboard was nice but is falling apart on me from someone elses neglect)
Yes, the general opinion in this forum is that the KUL is one of the best if not the best stock keyboard you can buy right now :thumb:
And the Cherry stabs don't prevent anyone from buying?
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 09 August 2014, 21:39:07
if i bought one of these are they compatible with the majority of nice dyesub and pbt/abs cap sets for ducky/filco?
would it be a upgrade to the quickfire rapid i own? (this keyboard was nice but is falling apart on me from someone elses neglect)
Yes, the general opinion in this forum is that the KUL is one of the best if not the best stock keyboard you can buy right now :thumb:
And the Cherry stabs don't prevent anyone from buying?
They were one of the main reasons I bought mine.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 10 August 2014, 02:23:49
Post by: Novus on Sun, 10 August 2014, 03:13:10
Post by: Hucifer on Sun, 10 August 2014, 03:19:27
The cherry stabs in the KUL don't suck as much as other boardsAgree totally. I've tried blues, browns and reds o other boards with Cherry stabs and they all felt noticeably inferior to wire stabs. Not nearly so much with my KUL.
I wonder if it's just a case of clear switches being more forgiving in this regard.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 10 August 2014, 14:29:33
I wonder if it's just a case of clear switches being more forgiving in this regard.
doubt it
Are they clipped or modded in any way?
doubt it, but i'll check at some point
Post by: TBone on Sun, 10 August 2014, 15:29:07
Are they clipped or modded in any way?
Nope they aren't at all. I clipped and modded my KUL with clears and now I love it even more. Has that really satisfying thud on the stabilized keys. Would definitely recommend it.
Post by: jam3s121 on Wed, 13 August 2014, 15:16:36
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 15 August 2014, 23:32:18
Post by: ajx on Fri, 22 August 2014, 16:15:03
Do they last against wearing off overtime?
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 22 August 2014, 17:03:56
what about legend from ABS keycaps?
Do they last against wearing off overtime?
no
but the only legends that'll for sure last forever are doubleshots
most dyesubs will last at least 50 years of daily use
but doubleshot is forver
Post by: ajx on Fri, 22 August 2014, 17:43:08
Some ABS crap legend might wear off within couple days/weeks
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 22 August 2014, 18:16:41
Post by: midnightmare on Fri, 22 August 2014, 18:32:14
The cherry stabs in the KUL don't suck as much as other boards
Agreed, I guess it's because the Clears take quite a bit of force anyway, so it's harder for me to notice. The stabs feel great to me though
Post by: nobee on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:31:03
what about legend from ABS keycaps?
Do they last against wearing off overtime?
Mine are starting to fade too and it's only been a month.
No matter since I'm putting GMK Dolch on it soon anyways.
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 26 August 2014, 14:13:56
Quote from: TacticalStache link=topic=59116.msg1445843#msg1445843
but doubleshot is forver
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but doubleshot is forver
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Stancato9 spent many messages arguing with me that doubleshots could be rubbed off. Never underestimate the power of noob ignorance and stubbornness. If someone is convinced that dyesubs wear out after a month, the only solution is to buy these from him cheap and tell him you're doing him a favor. :p
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 26 August 2014, 16:21:48
He said that if used daily, for 8 hours a day, at 70 WPM, dyesubs would last longer than switches under the same conditions. (with some fading, of course)
Post by: nobee on Tue, 26 August 2014, 17:02:45
Quote from: TacticalStache link=topic=59116.msg1445843#msg1445843
but doubleshot is forver
[/quote
Stancato9 spent many messages arguing with me that doubleshots could be rubbed off. Never underestimate the power of noob ignorance and stubbornness. If someone is convinced that dyesubs wear out after a month, the only solution is to buy these from him cheap and tell him you're doing him a favor. :p
He was convinced that doubleshots wear off or dyesubs? I'm confused... you mentioned both. If it was doubleshots, I would've love to hear that side of the argument...
Post by: berserkfan on Wed, 27 August 2014, 02:02:33
Quote from: TacticalStache link=topic=59116.msg1445843#msg1445843
but doubleshot is forver
[/quote
Stancato9 spent many messages arguing with me that doubleshots could be rubbed off. Never underestimate the power of noob ignorance and stubbornness. If someone is convinced that dyesubs wear out after a month, the only solution is to buy these from him cheap and tell him you're doing him a favor. :p
He was convinced that doubleshots wear off or dyesubs? I'm confused... you mentioned both. If it was doubleshots, I would've love to hear that side of the argument...
Topic was doubleshots originally.
But the noob stubbornness thing applies to dyesubs also.
After all, theoretically, everything wears down eventually. I can also claim that Cherry clear stems wear down and become linear - which I'm sure they will, after 50 years, so you're not going to be able to take your favorite keyboard to your grave.
Post by: Novus on Thu, 28 August 2014, 04:47:58
after a month my backspace and enter keys are squeaking pretty badly
so that's a thing
Oh yea so what happened with this?
I forgot did you have another issue with the board aside from the squeaking?
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 28 August 2014, 10:27:10
I need to put something other than a bro on ESC, but that's my fault for selling it lol.
Post by: mdf on Fri, 29 August 2014, 16:41:53
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 30 August 2014, 04:29:23
I hope they really release a MX blue version in September!
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 30 August 2014, 04:42:18
Man, I want a KUL as well.
I hope they really release a MX blue version in September!
Have they mentioned that there is one with blues coming in Sept.?
I'm also waiting for one with blues.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 30 August 2014, 04:53:27
Apparently the MX blue version will be released with the colored case tops.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 30 August 2014, 10:18:35
This is not a case of :triangle:
Post by: HybridCore on Sun, 31 August 2014, 20:48:02
This is false.
Are you sure? From the looks of it you can take off the upper part of the Cherry MX assembly because you have access to the 4 clips holding it on. Just get that off (there's a few youtube videos of it) and you should be able to swap the stems and springs.
Unless the plate holds it in place then I guess it's PCB mount only.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Sun, 31 August 2014, 21:03:33
He's right, even though the 4 clips are accessible, the top will not be able to be removed without completely desoldering the switch from the plate. I can't think of any stock oem plate mounted switch keyboards that allow for switch top removal, you might be able to find a universal tkl plate that you could replace with the stock one though.This is false.
Are you sure? From the looks of it you can take off the upper part of the Cherry MX assembly because you have access to the 4 clips holding it on. Just get that off (there's a few youtube videos of it) and you should be able to swap the stems and springs.
Unless the plate holds it in place then I guess it's PCB mount only.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 31 August 2014, 21:54:18
it's so that manufacturers can tell if you've been in the keyboard if you **** up and break it
Post by: lightsout714 on Sun, 31 August 2014, 23:00:06
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 10 September 2014, 09:10:13
Right away the feeling of the 'raised' legends are bothering me, but it might just be that my previous board was fairly worn in.
I'm trying out the caps<->ctrl switch for the first time. Positioning wise it feels great but my muscle memory is making me shout in emails a lot right now :)
I'm impressed with the weight and the build quality. Maybe I'll update with some more thoughts when I've had it for longer.
Post by: irecresum on Wed, 10 September 2014, 23:46:09
thank you fans
Brian.
- "Better than a Filco" -
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 10 September 2014, 23:48:42
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 10 September 2014, 23:49:44
KUL, Y U NOT RELEASE MX BLUE VERSION?
+1
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 11 September 2014, 19:07:15
so it's a soontm for now
Post by: dante on Fri, 12 September 2014, 16:18:47
KUL, Y U NOT RELEASE MX BLUE VERSION?
No word from my people
so it's a soontm for now
My body is ready...
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 20 September 2014, 18:58:14
Just got my Kul ES-87 with mx clears. This is the first time I have tried clear switches, and I didn't like them at all. I tend to bottom out on all other switches, but clears punish your fingers for attempting this. To me, the switch feels like mush with sand in it. I was glad to get back to the 55g Topres on my RF 87u and the capacitive buckling springs on my IBM XT board.
Apart from the switches, one thing I didn't like about the Kul ES-87 itself was the mini-USB connector in a recessed area on the underside of the board. It is very difficult to get a standard mini-USB plug into the recessed receptacle. Luckily, the connector on the furnished cable is shorter than normal, enabling it to fit, but it is still not a smooth operation to plug or unplug the keyboard from the cable. While there is something to be said for cable routing, I would prefer to have an easy to reach connector on the back of the case rather than on the underside.
If I could find a Cherry mx switch that I liked, the Kul ES-87 board would be okay. The quality appears to be on par or better than TKL boards from CM or Filco. I really appreciate the abundance of DIP switch settings, which enabled me to bypass using software to swap CapsLock and Control, Alt and Win/OS, Fn and Menu, and even Backspace and Backslash. All the keycaps for these swaps were provided, although I would want to replace the stock lasered/infilled ABS caps with a dye-sub PBT set.
Another plus for the Kul is its ready availability through several different sources, including EK, Mechanicalkeyboards.com, and Amazon. The price is also reasonable and free shipping is available through MK and Amazon Prime.
Post by: cruzin on Sat, 20 September 2014, 20:58:39
Good review, eyesmiles!
Just got my Kul ES-87 with mx clears. This is the first time I have tried clear switches, and I didn't like them at all. I tend to bottom out on all other switches, but clears punish your fingers for attempting this. To me, the switch feels like mush with sand in it. I was glad to get back to the 55g Topres on my RF 87u and the capacitive buckling springs on my IBM XT board.
Apart from the switches, one thing I didn't like about the Kul ES-87 itself was the mini-USB connector in a recessed area on the underside of the board. It is very difficult to get a standard mini-USB plug into the recessed receptacle. Luckily, the connector on the furnished cable is shorter than normal, enabling it to fit, but it is still not a smooth operation to plug or unplug the keyboard from the cable. While there is something to be said for cable routing, I would prefer to have an easy to reach connector on the back of the case rather than on the underside.
If I could find a Cherry mx switch that I liked, the Kul ES-87 board would be okay. The quality appears to be on par or better than TKL boards from CM or Filco. I really appreciate the abundance of DIP switch settings, which enabled me to bypass using software to swap CapsLock and Control, Alt and Win/OS, Fn and Menu, and even Backspace and Backslash. All the keycaps for these swaps were provided, although I would want to replace the stock lasered/infilled ABS caps with a dye-sub PBT set.
Another plus for the Kul is its ready availability through several different sources, including EK, Mechanicalkeyboards.com, and Amazon. The price is also reasonable and free shipping is available through MK and Amazon Prime.
Yeah the cheap caps were the only real knock I had on mine. I imagine it would feel a lot better with PBT caps.
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 29 October 2014, 22:06:49
KUL, Y U NOT RELEASE MX BLUE VERSION?
Looks like MechanicalKeyboards.com will be getting some KUL ES-87's with MX-Blues in the next month or two :thumb:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1069 (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1069)
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 30 October 2014, 04:03:03
KUL, Y U NOT RELEASE MX BLUE VERSION?
Looks like MechanicalKeyboards.com will be getting some KUL ES-87's with MX-Blues in the next month or two :thumb:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1069 (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1069)
Thanks!
I will keep my eyes open :)
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 30 October 2014, 15:06:54
i was gonna post about it, but you got to it first
:triangle:
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 01 December 2014, 20:40:31
it was just misaligned, probably when i put the gmk on it, since that's when i noticed it
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 02 December 2014, 12:04:11
1. I have finally decided that I do not like the feel of stabilized keys with Cherry stabilizers. It is some what easier to change keycaps on stabilized keys with Cherry stabilizers thatn with Costar-type stabilizers and it is possible to improve the feel of Cherry stabilizers by doing the "clip mod", but this entails desoldering. After recently comparing the Kul ES-87 boards with a WASD V2 87 with mx browns, I have determined that I much prefer the feel of stabilized keys with Costar-type stabilizers.
2. My second Kul has some relatively cosmetic imperfections in the case finish.
Although I like the overall solidity of the Kul and some of its features, such as the abundance of DIP switch settings, if I were to buy another Cherry mx TKL board, it would most likely be a Filco or WASD.
Post by: sorijealut on Thu, 04 December 2014, 00:48:17
I currently have Filco MJ2 with reds (that I will be selling to a friend) so it will be interesting to compare (although I don't think I'll have it side-by-side by the time it arrives).
What kind of difference can I expect from wire stabs vs. Cherry ones? Could I lube this type of stab to reduce the possible squeaks?
I lubed my Filco ones so they did become quieter, but they weren't exactly perfect, especially the backspace.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 04 December 2014, 12:33:52
Post by: dante on Thu, 04 December 2014, 12:37:09
Post by: sorijealut on Thu, 04 December 2014, 12:45:56
I really do like the feel of lubed costar stabs, but keycapping and fitting seems like kind of a bother. Filco's spacebar in particular feels and sounds really nice with soft thunks.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 04 December 2014, 15:26:50
Some of the squeaking seems unforgivable for a brand that tries to promote themselves as top tier. Voiding your warranty by opening the keyboard shouldn't be a solution to the problem.
I have seen nobody else but myself complain about it, and I only had it because I was dumb.
If you've seen other people complaining about squeaking, please show me.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 04 December 2014, 21:36:44
ill do a teardown this weekend to see what's up
if anyone has extra krytox please send it my way
Post by: sorijealut on Thu, 04 December 2014, 23:36:10
ok so everything started squeaking all of a sudden today
ill do a teardown this weekend to see what's up
if anyone has extra krytox please send it my way
That's not good... maybe it's in your head :D
Post by: ThomasBastiani on Sun, 07 December 2014, 05:38:50
Some of the squeaking seems unforgivable for a brand that tries to promote themselves as top tier. Voiding your warranty by opening the keyboard shouldn't be a solution to the problem.
I have seen nobody else but myself complain about it, and I only had it because I was dumb.
If you've seen other people complaining about squeaking, please show me.
after a month my backspace and enter keys are squeaking pretty badlyTell me about it. It drives me up the wall! I thought that lubing the switches/stabilizers would fix it. I haven't tried yet though.
so that's a thing
I've certainly complained about it! Still haven't done anything about it. Maybe I should try taking of the squeaky keycaps and re-setting them. Still backspace & enter for me.
Post by: telegraphist on Wed, 17 December 2014, 16:36:19
Post by: eyesmiles on Thu, 18 December 2014, 15:22:06
Would be a well-rounded review if included the author's impression of the Cherry MX clears of this board for those of us who aren't familiar with these relatively uncommon switches.
My original intention of doing a brief overview of the ES-87 with MX Clears was simply to allow people to see the internals, type of stabilizers, and its compatibility for swapping key cap sets without having to buy one themselves. Mainly to take a risk, fork over the money but provide relevant information for people that most sites fail to include.
I could talk about how I feel about MX Clears, but that wasn't the point of what I was going for. If you search MX Clears, you'll come up with a plethora of reviews, many of which generally say the same thing.
I suppose I could do a brief update post:
I still have the KUL but have done a few things. I clipped the stabilizers. I desoldered all switches and lubed them. The stock springs still remain in the Clears. The spacebar now has a tactile MX Grey. The LED indicators which were originally blue, I changed to 3mm white LEDs. I am still waiting for KUL to release their top panels. Been eyeing the white one ever since it was first mentioned.
Looking at MK, they show on their incoming page a Smoke version of the KUL-ES 87. Judging by the images, it looks to be a dark grey case instead of the all black. No mention of it though on the KUL official site.
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1115 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1115)
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1116 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1116)
It's interesting after all this time, people still visit this thread as there are many reviews and videos online that are available now. I'm wholeheartedly glad it still continues to provide people information. :thumb:
Post by: telegraphist on Fri, 19 December 2014, 13:32:01
Thank you for your reply, eyesmiles.Would be a well-rounded review if included the author's impression of the Cherry MX clears of this board for those of us who aren't familiar with these relatively uncommon switches.
My original intention of doing a brief overview of the ES-87 with MX Clears was simply to allow people to see the internals, type of stabilizers, and its compatibility for swapping key cap sets without having to buy one themselves. Mainly to take a risk, fork over the money but provide relevant information for people that most sites fail to include.
I could talk about how I feel about MX Clears, but that wasn't the point of what I was going for. If you search MX Clears, you'll come up with a plethora of reviews, many of which generally say the same thing.
I suppose I could do a brief update post:
I still have the KUL but have done a few things. I clipped the stabilizers. I desoldered all switches and lubed them. The stock springs still remain in the Clears. The spacebar now has a tactile MX Grey. The LED indicators which were originally blue, I changed to 3mm white LEDs. I am still waiting for KUL to release their top panels. Been eyeing the white one ever since it was first mentioned...
It's interesting after all this time, people still visit this thread as there are many reviews and videos online that are available now. I'm wholeheartedly glad it still continues to provide people information. :thumb:
Your post is indeed remains among those pushed up of the list of reviews and naturally people select it to read, if interested.
Everyone has their specific interests though. Mine include clear switches: I've ordered a set a long time ago to convert my CM board with reds and fix broken left Alt switch, but noted that soldering isn't an easy task I thought it would be. At least with flux and soldering gun I have purchased It looks like the temperature has to be controlled within a certain range, as well as flux has to be better. That's why I admire your ability to do such modification yourself. I think I'd need to ask a fellow geekhacker to help me with this type of work.
Have a good one. And more popular interesting reviews to you!
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 19 December 2014, 16:54:08
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 19 December 2014, 19:14:20
Cherry boards have been quiet for the most part, if a little mushy when I bottom out.
Post by: sorijealut on Fri, 19 December 2014, 19:56:53
The initial impression was that costar stabs felt much better. It allowed longer keys to have the same feels as normal keys, whereas Cherry style alters that feeling.
Has anyone else also thought the restricted movement creates an illusion that key travel is shortened?
It does not have the bottom-out sound like the Filco, which is a nice "thock". I found my fingertips searching for that feedback and my typing rhythm was thrown off.
But... I like to find appreciation in all styles before dismissing. So, before long, I liked the Cherry stabs better.
My reasoning is that the modifier keys feel better this way with more resistance which makes it easier to press without bottoming out.
When using my Filco, I found myself bottoming out on strokes. I'm not sure if key profile or low profile of the keyboard has to do with this, but the KUL felt so much easier on my fingers since I could half press the keys, no longer looking for that bottom-out feedback. It takes some of that impact on my fingers, relieving fatigue and even increasing my speed.
I realized it's OK for keys to not have uniform feel. In my typing style, I find it better to quickly tap these keys and move on with typing.
Anyway, I also agree that there was quite a bit of rattle and pinging in my Filcos, which always bothered me. Lubing did not help. Cherry ones simply do not have any.
Post by: sorijealut on Sat, 20 December 2014, 16:07:15
Smoke Black case w/ gold legends.
ETA Dec. 22
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=keyed_up_labs,tenkeyless
Post by: dante on Sat, 20 December 2014, 16:19:22
The MX Reds in the Corsair are WAY smoother than what I had in my KUL or Ducky Zero. Also the Thermaltake MX Black boards were equally smooth.
People can call McRip or whatever you like - I'm convinced somewhere in the order chain there must be either an option to order switches with extra lube OR both companies ordered a crapton of switches at a time when Cherry was doing a good job.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 22 December 2014, 20:30:22
I stopped by Fry's today and as usual couldn't help but type on some boards.You gotta figure those demo boards have probably been used extensively and have given the switches ample time to break in and naturally become smooth. The reds in my KUL feel very nice and smooth out of the box thankfully. I have found there's a lot of variance in "smoothness" in some stock keyboards these days, on the other hand, you're not the only person whose commented on how the reds in Corsair keyboards do feel very nice, so perhaps they did indeed get a nice batch of mx reds. I can't really think of any other reason as to why their reds should feel drastically different than other manufactures. KUL owners, have any of you guys received one with a case littered with marks? I can't figure out what caused them, but my new KUL has all these annoying marks around the case. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't bothering me a little, but I'm not sure it's enough for me to want to go through the return process with Amazon.
The MX Reds in the Corsair are WAY smoother than what I had in my KUL or Ducky Zero. Also the Thermaltake MX Black boards were equally smooth.
People can call McRip or whatever you like - I'm convinced somewhere in the order chain there must be either an option to order switches with extra lube OR both companies ordered a crapton of switches at a time when Cherry was doing a good job.
Post by: sorijealut on Mon, 22 December 2014, 23:09:07
It's not even noticeable (so much so that I couldn't even take a picture of it) but it's a mark I couldn't get out with some water and cloth. I've heard a few people complain about imperfections in the case, which is a shame because all other parts are really solid.
I'd say you might as well go through the return if you have Prime and stuff.
Now, regarding smoothness of MX reds, this is interesting you bring this up because I had thought the exact same, but with Filco MX reds vs KUL MX reds.
Filco seemed to have a slightly smoother red, but I thought it was mcrip as well.
I might be one of the few weird people that actually like a bit of "scratchy" feel to my switches than smooth, though.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Tue, 23 December 2014, 00:34:35
Those are some big marks... thankfully I do not have those but there is bit of coating wear-off type of scratches in some places.Yeah, I'm really bummed about it, I might see if I can do an exchange through Amazon. I try not to let these things bother me, but once you know they're there, it's like the first thing you see every time you look at the keyboard.
It's not even noticeable (so much so that I couldn't even take a picture of it) but it's a mark I couldn't get out with some water and cloth. I've heard a few people complain about imperfections in the case, which is a shame because all other parts are really solid.
I'd say you might as well go through the return if you have Prime and stuff.
Now, regarding smoothness of MX reds, this is interesting you bring this up because I had thought the exact same, but with Filco MX reds vs KUL MX reds.
Filco seemed to have a slightly smoother red, but I thought it was mcrip as well.
I might be one of the few weird people that actually like a bit of "scratchy" feel to my switches than smooth, though.
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 23 December 2014, 00:45:57
Those are some big marks... thankfully I do not have those but there is bit of coating wear-off type of scratches in some places.Yeah, I'm really bummed about it, I might see if I can do an exchange through Amazon. I try not to let these things bother me, but once you know they're there, it's like the first thing you see every time you look at the keyboard.
It's not even noticeable (so much so that I couldn't even take a picture of it) but it's a mark I couldn't get out with some water and cloth. I've heard a few people complain about imperfections in the case, which is a shame because all other parts are really solid.
I'd say you might as well go through the return if you have Prime and stuff.
Now, regarding smoothness of MX reds, this is interesting you bring this up because I had thought the exact same, but with Filco MX reds vs KUL MX reds.
Filco seemed to have a slightly smoother red, but I thought it was mcrip as well.
I might be one of the few weird people that actually like a bit of "scratchy" feel to my switches than smooth, though.
I personally have had nothing but positive experiences with returns through Amazon. As long as you bought it from Amazon or a seller that had it fulfilled by Amazon then I wouldn't hesitate to return it.
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 23 December 2014, 09:13:59
Post by: drewba on Tue, 23 December 2014, 10:30:50
Post by: sorijealut on Tue, 23 December 2014, 10:50:21
I bought a KUL ES-87 last night, mostly thanks to this thread. Thanks for the write up!Hello to another Chicago newbie, and a KUL owner :)
Good choice. Which switches did you get?
Post by: dante on Tue, 23 December 2014, 11:07:33
You gotta figure those demo boards have probably been used extensively and have given the switches ample time to break in and naturally become smooth. The reds in my KUL feel very nice and smooth out of the box thankfully. I have found there's a lot of variance in "smoothness" in some stock keyboards these days, on the other hand, you're not the only person whose commented on how the reds in Corsair keyboards do feel very nice, so perhaps they did indeed get a nice batch of mx reds. I can't really think of any other reason as to why their reds should feel drastically different than other manufactures.
I agree as a demo board it's going to be somewhat well used. However, ALL the keys on the keyboard - including pause/break prtsc/sysrq, etc ... feel smooth.
My last word on this subject: If someone were building a keyboard project and wanted Vintage Blacks - send an email out to Corsair / Thermaltake and see if they have any banged up returns for sale cheap. That might be a better way to go.
Post by: drewba on Tue, 23 December 2014, 11:32:44
Hi there :)! Something something daaa bears, something something political corruption.I bought a KUL ES-87 last night, mostly thanks to this thread. Thanks for the write up!Hello to another Chicago newbie, and a KUL owner :)
Good choice. Which switches did you get?
I got Browns. I was holding out for clears to come back in stock anywhere but after finally getting a key tester I think Browns are the switch for me.
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 23 December 2014, 11:36:42
Post by: sorijealut on Wed, 24 December 2014, 00:59:36
Haha :D yet... a beautiful city nonetheless.Hi there :)! Something something daaa bears, something something political corruption.I bought a KUL ES-87 last night, mostly thanks to this thread. Thanks for the write up!Hello to another Chicago newbie, and a KUL owner :)
Good choice. Which switches did you get?
I got Browns. I was holding out for clears to come back in stock anywhere but after finally getting a key tester I think Browns are the switch for me.
Cool, I just received my switch tester in the mail as well. I think my next switch will have to be the blacks, or some kind of modded blacks.
About vintage blacks -- they could also be harvested from Wyse terminal keyboards, which can be found on eBay.Urg.. I want one!
Post by: drewba on Wed, 24 December 2014, 09:00:55
Cool, I just received my switch tester in the mail as well. I think my next switch will have to be the blacks, or some kind of modded blacks.
Cool, I like the feel of blacks. I just started reading about modding as well - ergo clears sound very interesting. I also can't wait to get my hands on a board with blues...maybe later when my wallet recovers from it's most recent beating ;D
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 26 December 2014, 07:24:02
Has anybody heard any news about the colored top covers? I don't want to pay international shipping twice...
Post by: eyesmiles on Wed, 21 January 2015, 18:53:14
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Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 21 January 2015, 21:14:50
Not sure if it was mentioned anywhere, but from the looks of things on the KUL facebook the top panels will be available in February.Show Image(https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10926205_783277778404550_929356172422107049_o.jpg)
Must've misses that.
I think I might get a red one, they look awesome.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Wed, 21 January 2015, 21:17:10
nvm: just found the answer to my question on their facebook, they will be sold separately! :cool:
Post by: sorijealut on Wed, 21 January 2015, 21:25:15
I dont think the white case would go well with my white blank keycaps, so I would go for red or blue, if I do.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Wed, 21 January 2015, 21:31:01
That's great!! :eek:Me too, I'm trying to think which would go best with the Round 4 PBT set I'm picking up from Ivan's GB. I really like the look of the red since it kind of reminds me of that limited edition Filco. It doesn't look quite as vibrant from that picture though.
I dont think the white case would go well with my white blank keycaps, so I would go for red or blue, if I do.
(http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/T1iDbNFaleXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg)
Post by: sorijealut on Wed, 21 January 2015, 23:27:04
That's great!! :eek:Me too, I'm trying to think which would go best with the Round 4 PBT set I'm picking up from Ivan's GB. I really like the look of the red since it kind of reminds me of that limited edition Filco. It doesn't look quite as vibrant from that picture though.
I dont think the white case would go well with my white blank keycaps, so I would go for red or blue, if I do.Show Image(http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/T1iDbNFaleXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg)
Mm red would be a fresh change from my usual toned down colors! Red case + red switches KUL red edtion.. something something.
Hopefully they're made from better material than the abs(?) we have in the stock case.
Post by: blazarcher on Thu, 22 January 2015, 20:34:00
Post by: jamster on Tue, 27 January 2015, 02:07:32
Great review! I have a question though, what are the MX clears like compared to the MX browns? Some people seem to complain that they feel too much like rubber domes. Coming from a longtime brown user, should I be worried about that if I transition to clears?
I've been using a KUL with Clears for two or three weeks now. While I think that the solidity of the keyboard and the TKL form factor are great, I am less enamoured of the Clear switches. I am used to bottoming out on Buckling Spring, where it feel like there is a quick collapse in force needed after the "buckling point". With Clears, it takes a fair bit of force to get over the bump, and then even more force to complete the bottom out. The switches also have a very slight roughness to them. Clears feel nothing like rubber dome to me.
I'll be lubing the switches and swapping lighter springs but if I didn't have the luxury of a surplus of time, would be regretting getting MX switches. I've also tried other MX switches and prefer them even less: Blues are too light and high pitched, linear Reds and Browns just feel 'dead' to my fingers.
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 27 January 2015, 09:59:18
Not sure if it was mentioned anywhere, but from the looks of things on the KUL facebook the top panels will be available in February.Show Image(https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10926205_783277778404550_929356172422107049_o.jpg)
Woah those are really nice. I've been looking at a KUL board for a while now. These might just push me over the edge.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 10:10:15
Ergo clears sound like they would be great for you. I'd recommend 62g or 65g.Great review! I have a question though, what are the MX clears like compared to the MX browns? Some people seem to complain that they feel too much like rubber domes. Coming from a longtime brown user, should I be worried about that if I transition to clears?
I've been using a KUL with Clears for two or three weeks now. While I think that the solidity of the keyboard and the TKL form factor are great, I am less enamoured of the Clear switches. I am used to bottoming out on Buckling Spring, where it feel like there is a quick collapse in force needed after the "buckling point". With Clears, it takes a fair bit of force to get over the bump, and then even more force to complete the bottom out. The switches also have a very slight roughness to them. Clears feel nothing like rubber dome to me.
I'll be lubing the switches and swapping lighter springs but if I didn't have the luxury of a surplus of time, would be regretting getting MX switches. I've also tried other MX switches and prefer them even less: Blues are too light and high pitched, linear Reds and Browns just feel 'dead' to my fingers.
Post by: jabbon on Tue, 27 January 2015, 16:39:48
Post by: ThomasBastiani on Tue, 27 January 2015, 17:24:49
wouldn't mind trying one of this KUL keyboards...does anyone know a european distributor?KUL list mechanicalkeyboards.nl but they seem to be out of stock. They also hint at a future Spanish distributor if you care to wait.
Post by: Kira on Tue, 27 January 2015, 23:46:20
Not sure if it was mentioned anywhere, but from the looks of things on the KUL facebook the top panels will be available in February.Show Image(https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10926205_783277778404550_929356172422107049_o.jpg)
If only those were aluminum! They sure look aluminum though lol.
Post by: jamster on Wed, 28 January 2015, 02:06:18
Ergo clears sound like they would be great for you. I'd recommend 62g or 65g.
Yup, I'm going to put in 65s which I just received from ZealPC (great guy). Now waiting for a delivery of Krytox before attacking the board with (de)soldering tools.
When I bought the KUL I had no idea that the rabbit hole was going to be so deep!
Post by: jabbon on Wed, 28 January 2015, 23:53:31
wouldn't mind trying one of this KUL keyboards...does anyone know a european distributor?KUL list mechanicalkeyboards.nl but they seem to be out of stock. They also hint at a future Spanish distributor if you care to wait.
Wow! Thank you for the tip! I live in The Netherlands but I never heard of that site :thumb:
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 23:56:05
Yep! Zeal is awesome! Let us know how you like the modification when it's all said and done! ;DErgo clears sound like they would be great for you. I'd recommend 62g or 65g.
Yup, I'm going to put in 65s which I just received from ZealPC (great guy). Now waiting for a delivery of Krytox before attacking the board with (de)soldering tools.
When I bought the KUL I had no idea that the rabbit hole was going to be so deep!
Post by: ThomasBastiani on Tue, 03 February 2015, 16:05:04
FYI they just removed the "not in stock" mention from the page. That might just be because they overhauled their entire website but now we don't have any stock information anymore AFAICT. If you're looking to get one though you might want to email them and check.wouldn't mind trying one of this KUL keyboards...does anyone know a european distributor?KUL list mechanicalkeyboards.nl but they seem to be out of stock. They also hint at a future Spanish distributor if you care to wait.
Wow! Thank you for the tip! I live in The Netherlands but I never heard of that site :thumb:
Post by: aref on Wed, 04 February 2015, 17:38:31
Post by: saturnotaku on Tue, 17 February 2015, 19:24:21
Post by: jamster on Mon, 23 February 2015, 08:28:52
Yep! Zeal is awesome! Let us know how you like the modification when it's all said and done! ;D
So I've finally finished my Ergo Clear mod, using the 65g (Sprit?) springs from Zeal. I also lubed each switch with MechLube 2 and installed thin o-rings.
For me, it the lighter springs are a definite improvement. There is no longer such an irritating force ramp-up after the bump/actuation point and I can now bottom out more comfortably (to me, it feels weird not to bottom out when typing).
The lube has masked some of the original scratchiness which I felt in some of the switches. It does seem to have slightly toned down the tactile component of the keypress slightly.
I'm not such a big fan of the o-rings though, as the reduced key travel is noticeable. I might get used to it with a bit more time. The slightly muted noise of typing is welcome though. I'm too lazy to pull each cap and remove each o-ring. I've got a PBT set from Ivan on the way, so I'll try running those without o-rings instead.
Post by: eyesmiles on Mon, 23 February 2015, 18:37:13
(http://i.imgur.com/vbvwy61.jpg)
The box
(http://i.imgur.com/kEE5VY7.jpg)
Side shot.
(http://i.imgur.com/HEMKsYi.jpg)
Top shot with Dolch (if you aren't bored of the Dolch colorway yet)
Overall, the fit of the top panel is nice. It's not a bright white as you expect with the name "Proton White" but rather a slight off white.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 23 February 2015, 18:42:13
Mini x-post from What did you get in the mail today? thread.Looks fantastic eyesmiles!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbvwy61.jpg)
The boxShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/kEE5VY7.jpg)
Side shot.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HEMKsYi.jpg)
Top shot with Dolch (if you aren't bored of the Dolch colorway yet)
Overall, the fit of the top panel is nice. It's not a bright white as you expect with the name "Proton White" but rather a slight off white.
Post by: sorijealut on Mon, 23 February 2015, 18:42:41
Mini x-post from What did you get in the mail today? thread.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbvwy61.jpg)
The boxShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/kEE5VY7.jpg)
Side shot.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HEMKsYi.jpg)
Top shot with Dolch (if you aren't bored of the Dolch colorway yet)
Overall, the fit of the top panel is nice. It's not a bright white as you expect with the name "Proton White" but rather a slight off white.
OKAY I NEED THIS. NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting this!!!
Post by: Novus on Mon, 23 February 2015, 18:46:28
MoreMini x-post from What did you get in the mail today? thread.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbvwy61.jpg)
The boxShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/kEE5VY7.jpg)
Side shot.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HEMKsYi.jpg)
Top shot with Dolch (if you aren't bored of the Dolch colorway yet)
Overall, the fit of the top panel is nice. It's not a bright white as you expect with the name "Proton White" but rather a slight off white.
Oh cool thanks for the pic.
Truthfully I'm actually kind of disappointed, I thought this going to be something new and special from the announcements but basically it's just the white cover you can find on any white keyboard :/
Post by: sorijealut on Mon, 23 February 2015, 18:50:15
MoreMini x-post from What did you get in the mail today? thread.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbvwy61.jpg)
The boxShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/kEE5VY7.jpg)
Side shot.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HEMKsYi.jpg)
Top shot with Dolch (if you aren't bored of the Dolch colorway yet)
Overall, the fit of the top panel is nice. It's not a bright white as you expect with the name "Proton White" but rather a slight off white.
Oh cool thanks for the pic.
Truthfully I'm actually kind of disappointed, I thought this going to be something new and special from the announcements but basically it's just the white cover you can find on any white keyboard :/
Well certainly an aluminum look/ entire casing would make me even more excited, that's true.
Post by: eyesmiles on Mon, 23 February 2015, 18:50:37
Oh cool thanks for the pic.
Truthfully I'm actually kind of disappointed, I thought this going to be something new and special from the announcements but basically it's just the white cover you can find on any white keyboard :/
I'd say so with regards to the white panel. One positive would be you get a contrast with the black on the side, but then again who looks at their keyboard from the side all the time. Since you don't see many blue or red, I'd say those panels would be the worth while grabs. The proton white really does remind me of the Filco white.
Post by: eyesmiles on Mon, 23 February 2015, 18:52:33
Hnng so it's off-white like a white Flico, then. I was scared off by the "bright white" impression as you said, but that looks amazing.
AFSDFOIJ
You've pretty muched nailed it. Decided to reply to your message here instead of over at the other thread. It's really close to the Filco white.
Post by: strict on Mon, 23 February 2015, 19:41:37
Post by: saturnotaku on Tue, 24 February 2015, 08:50:49
Link (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=917)
Mine is on the FedEx truck for delivery today.
Post by: samsam on Thu, 06 August 2015, 06:32:25
Like many others i own more than one keyboard and i'm always on the go..
So i went looking for a solution that would allow fast hook up and disconnect my keyboard..
Take care..
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Post by: strict on Thu, 06 August 2015, 08:19:32
Hi guys just wanted to ad this to this awesome review..
Like many others i own more than one keyboard and i'm always on the go..
So i went looking for a solution that would allow fast hook up and disconnect my keyboard..
Take care..
(Attachment Link)
Excellent idea! Thanks for sharing!
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 06 August 2015, 08:30:39
Hi guys just wanted to ad this to this awesome review..
Like many others i own more than one keyboard and i'm always on the go..
So i went looking for a solution that would allow fast hook up and disconnect my keyboard..
Take care..
(Attachment Link)
Thanks for sharing :thumb:
A quick search on ebay only gave me ~5€ cables.
Can you please send me the link to this 1€ one via PM?
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:39:18
Hi guys just wanted to ad this to this awesome review..
Like many others i own more than one keyboard and i'm always on the go..
So i went looking for a solution that would allow fast hook up and disconnect my keyboard..
Take care..
(Attachment Link)
I use to do the same thing for my QFR. Worked really well.
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/20140402_233021.jpg)
Post by: samsam on Sun, 09 August 2015, 09:15:19
Mini USB 5 Pin female male right angle extension cable Adapter on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-USB-5-Pin-female-male-right-angle-extension-cable-Adapter/32228444781.html
lot's of sellers have this cable..This seller is ok...but his english is really bad.. so don't expect communication..
Just get your cable hahhaha..
@CommonCurt nice pick ;-)
Take care ...guys
Post by: samsam on Mon, 28 September 2015, 12:13:51
i have bin using my KUL ES-87 on and of for two months now. Switching up with my Leopold FC6600M (also with clears).
When i switch back to my Kul i notice the pinging noise and i which i could do something to minimise it..
i'm using thick pbt keycaps (from mass drop) and blue o-rings.
And still i hear that nasty ping noise..Also when i rub my hand over the keyboard it resonates.
i do like the board. so i do want to keep it..
Here a youtube vid i made..Trying to get the pinging noise to register from my smartphone camera..
hope that helps..
If some one has a solution that would help that would be awesome..don't know how to solder (yet).
i'm just a newbie in the world of mechanical keyboards.. :thumb:
Thanks guys..
Post by: saturnotaku on Tue, 29 September 2015, 16:30:55
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:55:16
hi guys,
i have bin using my KUL ES-87 on and of for two months now. Switching up with my Leopold FC6600M (also with clears).
When i switch back to my Kul i notice the pinging noise and i which i could do something to minimise it..
i'm using thick pbt keycaps (from mass drop) and blue o-rings.
And still i hear that nasty ping noise..Also when i rub my hand over the keyboard it resonates.
i do like the board. so i do want to keep it..
Here a youtube vid i made..Trying to get the pinging noise to register from my smartphone camera..
hope that helps..
If some one has a solution that would help that would be awesome..don't know how to solder (yet).
i'm just a newbie in the world of mechanical keyboards.. :thumb:
Thanks guys..
I asked about resolving ping in a CODE with MX clears in this thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73568.0). There's a few suggestions there, mostly lubing the springs though.
Post by: DukeMugen on Mon, 04 January 2016, 02:52:08
im thinking of making a custom acryllic case for this, maybe that will solve the issue.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 04 January 2016, 04:13:43
after 6 months of use, the ping on my kul es87 is getting louder and louder. its getting annoying.
im thinking of making a custom acryllic case for this, maybe that will solve the issue.
FWIW the ping on my CODE seems to be getting quieter.
Post by: Altis on Mon, 04 January 2016, 17:00:40
after 6 months of use, the ping on my kul es87 is getting louder and louder. its getting annoying.
im thinking of making a custom acryllic case for this, maybe that will solve the issue.
Take the board out of the case and try typing on it -- if it still pings, the case won't help.
I tried it with mine before I swapped for Zealios switches and it still did it. The 62g Zealios don't do it nearly as much. The ping was enough to drive me mental with the stock MX Clear switches.
The ping sounded exactly the same as the crowbar sound in Half Life, strangely enough...
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 04 January 2016, 21:58:13
Post by: DukeMugen on Tue, 05 January 2016, 00:06:23
I tried that, the ping is coming from the plate itself. So right now i'm starting to do an acrylic plate and case. Hoepfully it works.after 6 months of use, the ping on my kul es87 is getting louder and louder. its getting annoying.
im thinking of making a custom acryllic case for this, maybe that will solve the issue.
Take the board out of the case and try typing on it -- if it still pings, the case won't help.
I tried it with mine before I swapped for Zealios switches and it still did it. The 62g Zealios don't do it nearly as much. The ping was enough to drive me mental with the stock MX Clear switches.
The ping sounded exactly the same as the crowbar sound in Half Life, strangely enough...
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 January 2016, 05:35:14
I tried that, the ping is coming from the plate itself. So right now i'm starting to do an acrylic plate and case. Hoepfully it works.after 6 months of use, the ping on my kul es87 is getting louder and louder. its getting annoying.
im thinking of making a custom acryllic case for this, maybe that will solve the issue.
Take the board out of the case and try typing on it -- if it still pings, the case won't help.
I tried it with mine before I swapped for Zealios switches and it still did it. The 62g Zealios don't do it nearly as much. The ping was enough to drive me mental with the stock MX Clear switches.
The ping sounded exactly the same as the crowbar sound in Half Life, strangely enough...
I'm typing on my ES-87 with Clears since June day-in-day-out (8-10 hours of coding and writing papers). I guess I'm lucky, but I have almost no ping. And the ping there is - I believe - comes from my springs. It is very very subtle. I only notice it when I hit spacebar or enter really hard but not for the other keys (my OCD made me test every key repeatedly). When I tap the plate or the case, I hear nothing. Only when I actuate the keyes and bottom them out.
Must say I was worried before ordering, hesitated between the KUL and the CODE but the amount of ping issues with the CODE eventually drove me to the KUL.
Post by: HighPlainsDrafter on Tue, 01 March 2016, 01:40:44
BTW am enjoying my first week with this board and its mx clears: increased typing accuracy and so far, no major fatigue on my fingers. I'm interested in possibly replacing the keycaps just to increase the quality of the overall experience, but not sure with what.
Previous board: matias tactile pro 4, which I initially liked, but ultimately found the keystroke too light.
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 29 March 2016, 08:24:34
I don't hear any ping except for a bit when I hit the spacebar. However, I placed my ES-87 in a recessed (pull-out) keyboard tray, which may be slightly dampening its sound.
BTW am enjoying my first week with this board and its mx clears: increased typing accuracy and so far, no major fatigue on my fingers. I'm interested in possibly replacing the keycaps just to increase the quality of the overall experience, but not sure with what.
Previous board: matias tactile pro 4, which I initially liked, but ultimately found the keystroke too light.
I love my KUL With clears. But the stock caps suck IMHO. They started to shine and wear off in like 2-3 weeks or so. But I swap them out for thick PBTs anyway.
Post by: HighPlainsDrafter on Thu, 14 April 2016, 03:16:23
Post by: iLLucionist on Thu, 14 April 2016, 03:33:12
Why doesn't someone create a Massdrop of a run of spherical keycaps (like the ones on IBM beam spring keyboards)? Is the spacing on modern keyboards too small, or other reason? Would spherical typewriter-like keycaps just not feel right on MX switches? Seen a couple of recent customized keycaps which have fonts like some old typewriters, but the caps aren't spherical.
Would buy instantly. Great idea!
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 14 April 2016, 06:00:41
Why doesn't someone create a Massdrop of a run of spherical keycaps (like the ones on IBM beam spring keyboards)? Is the spacing on modern keyboards too small, or other reason? Would spherical typewriter-like keycaps just not feel right on MX switches? Seen a couple of recent customized keycaps which have fonts like some old typewriters, but the caps aren't spherical.
You mean SA sets?
There have been a few such group buys, and probably a Massdrop drop or two.
Or DSA? They are also spherical. A few Massdrops for DSA sets too.
Post by: TheInverseKey on Mon, 18 April 2016, 09:53:30
After going through looking at many different companies that make TKL keyboards I thought that is would be a good pick. Boy was I wrong! The keyboard that was sent to me off of elite keyboards made this loud pinging sound from when you moved the feet to every key stroke. I am now returning the keyboard because of this issue. I know that some people think that pinging is not an issue but when it is this bad I have to say poor QC.
Below is an example of just the flip up feet that make the board ping. Also remember that every time you press a key it makes the same noise.
Kul ES-87 owners.
I need some additional data to determine if this is normal
1) Does your keyboard resonate with the back plate and produce a ring when you type? Would you characterize it as normal or excessive?
2) Does any type of back plate resonance occur when you flip the keyboard feet (like so - - you might need to turn up your volume) or perform any normal action which applies force to your entire keyboard?
3) Does your board have excessive back plate resonance?
Thanks
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 09:57:36
Good review!
After going through looking at many different companies that make TKL keyboards I thought that is would be a good pick. Boy was I wrong! The keyboard that was sent to me off of elite keyboards made this loud pinging sound from when you moved the feet to every key stroke. I am now returning the keyboard because of this issue. I know that some people think that pinging is not an issue but when it is this bad I have to say poor QC.
Below is an example of just the flip up feet that make the board ping. Also remember that every time you press a key it makes the same noise.Kul ES-87 owners.
I need some additional data to determine if this is normal
1) Does your keyboard resonate with the back plate and produce a ring when you type? Would you characterize it as normal or excessive?
2) Does any type of back plate resonance occur when you flip the keyboard feet (like so - - you might need to turn up your volume) or perform any normal action which applies force to your entire keyboard?
3) Does your board have excessive back plate resonance?
Thanks
I've just tried it with my KUL with Clears... I don't have this ping. I must be among the lucky then..
Post by: TheInverseKey on Mon, 18 April 2016, 10:19:46
Quote
I've just tried it with my KUL with Clears... I don't have this ping. I must be among the lucky then..
You must be.
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 18 April 2016, 11:20:48
QuoteI've just tried it with my KUL with Clears... I don't have this ping. I must be among the lucky then..
You must be.
Are you gonna try another KUL or are you done with that board now?
Post by: TheInverseKey on Tue, 19 April 2016, 17:55:11
QuoteI've just tried it with my KUL with Clears... I don't have this ping. I must be among the lucky then..
You must be.
Are you gonna try another KUL or are you done with that board now?
I have fixed the pinging issue with a small amount of time but it does make you void your warranty. Simply put I have to take the whole keyboard apart and insert foam and rubber non slick pads to make the noise disappear. Also, the keyboard now sounds better than any other keyboard that I own. I suggest doing this mod if you want to make it super quite. I will have pictures next week.
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 19 April 2016, 17:59:38
QuoteI've just tried it with my KUL with Clears... I don't have this ping. I must be among the lucky then..
You must be.
Are you gonna try another KUL or are you done with that board now?
I have fixed the pinging issue with a small amount of time but it does make you void your warranty. Simply put I have to take the whole keyboard apart and insert foam and rubber non slick pads to make the noise disappear. Also, the keyboard now sounds better than any other keyboard that I own. I suggest doing this mod if you want to make it super quite. I will have pictures next week.
Cool, what kind of foam did you use?
I'm looking forward to the pictures!
Apart from the ping, I hope you really enjoy the board. I have mine almost over a year now and it is a very solid board.
Post by: TheInverseKey on Tue, 19 April 2016, 18:12:00
QuoteI've just tried it with my KUL with Clears... I don't have this ping. I must be among the lucky then..
You must be.
Yeah it weight a ton.
Are you gonna try another KUL or are you done with that board now?
I have fixed the pinging issue with a small amount of time but it does make you void your warranty. Simply put I have to take the whole keyboard apart and insert foam and rubber non slick pads to make the noise disappear. Also, the keyboard now sounds better than any other keyboard that I own. I suggest doing this mod if you want to make it super quite. I will have pictures next week.
Cool, what kind of foam did you use?
I'm looking forward to the pictures!
Apart from the ping, I hope you really enjoy the board. I have mine almost over a year now and it is a very solid board.
Post by: ThoughtArtist on Wed, 20 April 2016, 21:43:18
QuoteI've just tried it with my KUL with Clears... I don't have this ping. I must be among the lucky then..
You must be.
Yeah it weight a ton.
Are you gonna try another KUL or are you done with that board now?
I have fixed the pinging issue with a small amount of time but it does make you void your warranty. Simply put I have to take the whole keyboard apart and insert foam and rubber non slick pads to make the noise disappear. Also, the keyboard now sounds better than any other keyboard that I own. I suggest doing this mod if you want to make it super quite. I will have pictures next week.
Cool, what kind of foam did you use?
I'm looking forward to the pictures!
Apart from the ping, I hope you really enjoy the board. I have mine almost over a year now and it is a very solid board.
This should be interesting. It may just be something that we have to do ourselves since it would likely make boards more expensive. I'd rather have best overall case design for a reasonable price and then add modular extras like good caps and insulation, instead of having that entire package, and it be a mediocre one, for a slightly higher price.
Of course, ideally I want a keyboard with no issues at all, but competition is so fierce that I can't see how mainstream ~$200 boards would be able to make it.
Post by: TheInverseKey on Thu, 21 April 2016, 14:14:21
QuoteI've just tried it with my KUL with Clears... I don't have this ping. I must be among the lucky then..
You must be.
Yeah it weight a ton.
Are you gonna try another KUL or are you done with that board now?
I have fixed the pinging issue with a small amount of time but it does make you void your warranty. Simply put I have to take the whole keyboard apart and insert foam and rubber non slick pads to make the noise disappear. Also, the keyboard now sounds better than any other keyboard that I own. I suggest doing this mod if you want to make it super quite. I will have pictures next week.
Cool, what kind of foam did you use?
I'm looking forward to the pictures!
Apart from the ping, I hope you really enjoy the board. I have mine almost over a year now and it is a very solid board.
This should be interesting. It may just be something that we have to do ourselves since it would likely make boards more expensive. I'd rather have best overall case design for a reasonable price and then add modular extras like good caps and insulation, instead of having that entire package, and it be a mediocre one, for a slightly higher price.
Of course, ideally I want a keyboard with no issues at all, but competition is so fierce that I can't see how mainstream ~$200 boards would be able to make it.
Here is my review and how to reduce the pinging niose.
Post by: ThoughtArtist on Thu, 21 April 2016, 18:37:52
It would be interesting to compare the plate thickness of the ES-87 with the Varmilo VA87MN. I have both boards side-by-side (with MX Browns) and I can confirm that the KUL has more resonation, but I am not sure if that is due to the plate itself or the build. The Varmilo is lighter, but it is more compact as well.
That being said, the Ducky One TKL (MX Browns) is, by far, louder than both the ES-87 and VA87MN.
Post by: TheInverseKey on Fri, 22 April 2016, 01:20:22
Thanks for the vid! I may try this at some point.
It would be interesting to compare the plate thickness of the ES-87 with the Varmilo VA87MN. I have both boards side-by-side (with MX Browns) and I can confirm that the KUL has more resonation, but I am not sure if that is due to the plate itself or the build. The Varmilo is lighter, but it is more compact as well.
That being said, the Ducky One TKL (MX Browns) is, by far, louder than both the ES-87 and VA87MN.
No problem hope this works.
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 13:44:32
This should be interesting. It may just be something that we have to do ourselves since it would likely make boards more expensive. I'd rather have best overall case design for a reasonable price and then add modular extras like good caps and insulation, instead of having that entire package, and it be a mediocre one, for a slightly higher price.
Of course, ideally I want a keyboard with no issues at all, but competition is so fierce that I can't see how mainstream ~$200 boards would be able to make it.
I actually like modding my boards a bit. Gives me the feeling that I have the true endgame perfect board once I am done with it. Like building a PC: similar specs, but different brands, components, cable routing etc. Gives me pleasure.
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 13:46:05
Post by: ThoughtArtist on Sat, 23 April 2016, 18:10:33
This should be interesting. It may just be something that we have to do ourselves since it would likely make boards more expensive. I'd rather have best overall case design for a reasonable price and then add modular extras like good caps and insulation, instead of having that entire package, and it be a mediocre one, for a slightly higher price.
Of course, ideally I want a keyboard with no issues at all, but competition is so fierce that I can't see how mainstream ~$200 boards would be able to make it.
I actually like modding my boards a bit. Gives me the feeling that I have the true endgame perfect board once I am done with it. Like building a PC: similar specs, but different brands, components, cable routing etc. Gives me pleasure.
I build my own computers as well. I actually combined a Lian Li and LanCool case just to get what I wanted. I feel like I finally got close to my ideal mid-tower (after an Athlon 64 build and a Core 2 Quad build). I had to go with a steel frame from the Lancool because, speaking of sound dampening, the aluminum frame resonated sound too much!
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 26 April 2016, 12:10:13
This should be interesting. It may just be something that we have to do ourselves since it would likely make boards more expensive. I'd rather have best overall case design for a reasonable price and then add modular extras like good caps and insulation, instead of having that entire package, and it be a mediocre one, for a slightly higher price.
Of course, ideally I want a keyboard with no issues at all, but competition is so fierce that I can't see how mainstream ~$200 boards would be able to make it.
I actually like modding my boards a bit. Gives me the feeling that I have the true endgame perfect board once I am done with it. Like building a PC: similar specs, but different brands, components, cable routing etc. Gives me pleasure.
I build my own computers as well. I actually combined a Lian Li and LanCool case just to get what I wanted. I feel like I finally got close to my ideal mid-tower (after an Athlon 64 build and a Core 2 Quad build). I had to go with a steel frame from the Lancool because, speaking of sound dampening, the aluminum frame resonated sound too much!
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That looks really cool man! Is that with the side panel off? Or is it just see through glass / perspex?