Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:44:23
Hello everyone,
I'd like to introduce the second version of SA Oblivion. I've been asked a lot through PM's and such when this set would return, after all it has soon been 2.5 years since the last time you could purchase this without having to scour extras and mechmarket, so it's long overdue. Originally, my plan was to run the set again in MT3 doubleshot when I saw matt3o doing MT3 Susuwatari. However that set has yet to ship, and also I would want to use a different font for this (and other) projects if I were to go the MT3 route. So at this point this would still have taken until next year to get into group buy. Therefor, I see no reason to hold back this set any longer to return in high profile.
Initially, I just wanted to trim a bit of fat off the old version, and rearrange some kits and call it a day. But once I finished drawing up 28 kits, I realized this was just too many these days. Firstly, I feel that SA sales have declined, SA Carbon R2 was the pinnacle with SA Pulse R3 following strongly after. Every SA set since then has been doing OK but not as well as you'd want them to do to support that many kits. Additionally, COVID-19 and its effects on the economy cannot be ignored, so I expect that to be another reason why sales won't be through the roof despite the current 7000+ requests sitting on the Drop page. Lastly, when you look at the extras still available at Drop (https://mechkeys.drop.com/collections/keycap-sets/products/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set-45404) (screenshot for archival purposes (https://i.imgur.com/e6BbONh.png)), a clear pattern emerges for what kits vendors end up sitting on after doing the favor of buying them out to MOQ.
For these reasons, I have removed some decorative kits (tenkeyless.asm, macros.asm, LED, OSX, communities), as well as Minila, Colevrak and ISO layout kits. Once we've weathered 2020 and MT3 Oblivion happens, I intend to bring back Typist and International support.
So onwards with the new stuff! Below you will find my first revision of the new kits. Some changes I've had in mind are adding a modifier colored F13 key to the Alternate Function Colors, as well as replacing the Assembly/40bit kits with a combined Git version similar to what GMK Monokai Material will be offering, but I'm not sure if that kit would end up being too expensive having to get new legends made again. Not sure where to put a second B, I guess in the Alphas kit would be the best place, despite looking like an error to most people.
Oh and also I've added ASCII alphas as seen on GMK ASCII. I've chosen not to have the keys with tertiary ASCII legends like they are present in GMK ASCII because those select few keys would need their primary and secondary legends shifted to the left which would look odd when everything else stays centered. And even when shifted, the ASCII sublegend would have to be smaller than all other ASCII sublegends to fit on the remaining space, which again would look very odd.
This group buy will be hosted by Drop this Summer.
Please voice your interest and offer feedback! Thank you,
- Oblotzky
Kits
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No2 Rev1 WK by Keycult
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Omega60 by Windeh
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M65-A by RAMA.WORKS
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Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:44:57
Post by: cijanzen on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:47:49
Post by: amuri99 on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:49:09
Post by: Abec13 on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:50:48
Post by: elmo on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:51:45
Post by: Gondolindrim on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:52:12
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3hUvF5H.jpg)
Hello everyone,
I'd like to introduce the second version of SA Oblivion. I've been asked a lot through PM's and such when this set would return, after all it has soon been 2.5 years since the last time you could purchase this without having to scour extras and mechmarket, so it's long overdue. Originally, my plan was to run the set again in MT3 doubleshot when I saw matt3o doing MT3 Susuwatari. However that set has yet to ship, and also I would want to use a different font for this (and other) projects if I were to go the MT3 route.
So there is a project to get MT3 Oblivion?
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:53:48
Post by: Boy_314 on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:54:29
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3hUvF5H.jpg)
Hello everyone,
I'd like to introduce the second version of SA Oblivion. I've been asked a lot through PM's and such when this set would return, after all it has soon been 2.5 years since the last time you could purchase this without having to scour extras and mechmarket, so it's long overdue. Originally, my plan was to run the set again in MT3 doubleshot when I saw matt3o doing MT3 Susuwatari. However that set has yet to ship, and also I would want to use a different font for this (and other) projects if I were to go the MT3 route.
So there is a project to get MT3 Oblivion?
I am so down for MT3 oblivion
Post by: Ultimatum on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:55:40
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:57:32
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:59:08
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3hUvF5H.jpg)
Hello everyone,
I'd like to introduce the second version of SA Oblivion. I've been asked a lot through PM's and such when this set would return, after all it has soon been 2.5 years since the last time you could purchase this without having to scour extras and mechmarket, so it's long overdue. Originally, my plan was to run the set again in MT3 doubleshot when I saw matt3o doing MT3 Susuwatari. However that set has yet to ship, and also I would want to use a different font for this (and other) projects if I were to go the MT3 route.
So there is a project to get MT3 Oblivion?
Yes, I wish to make MT3 Oblivion one day. It just wasn't time yet as MT3 Susuwatari has yet to ship (the first doubleshot MT3 set), and I wouldn't be doing Oblivion with the existing legends so a complete retool of the legends would also be required.
Post by: LXVRGS on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:03:09
Post by: bisoromi on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:12:16
Post by: Capsy on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:22:46
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:25:02
Post by: Lyle88 on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:31:07
I've learned with Honeywell and Carbon that SA is just too aggressively angled for me.
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Post by: Fredington on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:35:39
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:35:58
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:44:08
Are these gonna be in the same color codes (barring any variance on SP's part) as R1? Looking to pick up a 7U spacebar so I can finally use the set i grabbed off mechmarket with my TKLs.
Yes. However I can't promise that the resin will match perfectly with the last round.
Post by: Exemplar on Sat, 28 March 2020, 17:48:31
Post by: FRANCO on Sat, 28 March 2020, 19:00:15
Post by: nasp on Sat, 28 March 2020, 20:46:17
Thanks for considering
Post by: krpsh on Sat, 28 March 2020, 21:18:48
Post by: Raptor_N60 on Sat, 28 March 2020, 21:27:59
Dayum, I missed SA oblivion so this is early Chistmas for me, but I'd wait more if MT3 looks promising ;D ;D
Post by: flying1911 on Sat, 28 March 2020, 22:15:13
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 28 March 2020, 22:57:59
Post by: King4477 on Sat, 28 March 2020, 23:54:17
Post by: jmg123 on Sun, 29 March 2020, 02:12:39
, as well as replacing the Assembly/40bit kits with a combined Git version similar to what GMK Monokai Material will be offering,Yes please, I always felt it odd that the other kits were assembly based and not git based.
My other suggestions:
- Is there anyway you could at least support US ISO with 4 extra keys in one colour on one of the mod kits, as you are with GMK Monokai Material? That way at least ISO uses can physically fit keys on their keyboards even if the legends are wrong. If not, then it does exclude a lot of people straight off.
- ditch one of the ASCII sets, as it would make it easier to hit the numbers on the other.
Post by: YMwoo on Sun, 29 March 2020, 02:48:30
2x 1.5 R3
1u R2, R3, R4 for inner column
Post by: The_Royal on Sun, 29 March 2020, 03:23:45
Can’t think of any 40’s boards that use bottom row 1.75u besides Minivan.
Post by: Kawamashi on Sun, 29 March 2020, 03:50:53
I'd love to see Oblivion in Kat profile, but anyway I'm in for Ergo.dox, both colors of ASCII alphas, and arrows.
Post by: Escabrera on Sun, 29 March 2020, 04:05:50
Also is the r3 push for split space or what because it seems like another incredibly weird addition and would like to know what the use case there is intended to be
Post by: alper_maestro on Sun, 29 March 2020, 05:14:36
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 29 March 2020, 05:34:36
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Sun, 29 March 2020, 07:17:54
Post by: KEYGEM on Sun, 29 March 2020, 07:56:43
Post by: zenico on Sun, 29 March 2020, 08:46:42
Post by: pears on Sun, 29 March 2020, 09:05:05
Post by: Cloudnine25 on Sun, 29 March 2020, 10:04:29
Post by: FRANCO on Sun, 29 March 2020, 10:24:27
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 29 March 2020, 16:22:32
(i like the ASCII alphas)
Post by: kim-kim on Sun, 29 March 2020, 20:12:24
OBLIVION_ERGO_DOX
Post by: LXVRGS on Sun, 29 March 2020, 20:40:24
Post by: Ultimatum on Mon, 30 March 2020, 06:24:12
communities kit plz. :'(
Post by: The_Royal on Mon, 30 March 2020, 07:19:36
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communities kit plz. :'(
Lol Just Remaking the Old MassDrop Key would be hilarious.
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 30 March 2020, 07:25:14
Post by: Nigolski on Mon, 30 March 2020, 14:11:40
Post by: break on Mon, 30 March 2020, 14:14:46
Can't wait to match my SA R1 with these R2 ASCII alphas. Maybe monochrome mods too! Such a great idea.
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 30 March 2020, 14:23:07
Post by: javamirier on Mon, 30 March 2020, 14:41:03
Post by: t4n6 on Mon, 30 March 2020, 14:54:18
Post by: annath on Mon, 30 March 2020, 18:03:42
Post by: break on Mon, 30 March 2020, 19:21:53
Any chance for an aluminium RAMA Git Artisan on this one as well? Or do they not do SA Aluminum anymore?
Also curious about this, would be dope to pick up an SA profile Git artisan.
Post by: nasp on Mon, 30 March 2020, 22:11:47
Any chance for an aluminium RAMA Git Artisan on this one as well? Or do they not do SA Aluminum anymore?
Also curious about this, would be dope to pick up an SA profile Git artisan.
Has RAMA made an SA profile artisan or could this be the first?
Post by: break on Mon, 30 March 2020, 22:13:53
Any chance for an aluminium RAMA Git Artisan on this one as well? Or do they not do SA Aluminum anymore?
Also curious about this, would be dope to pick up an SA profile Git artisan.
Has RAMA made an SA profile artisan or could this be the first?
Fair point, I honestly have no idea. I vaguely recall something?
Post by: KeebKollector on Tue, 31 March 2020, 01:15:54
Cheers!
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 31 March 2020, 07:39:04
Post by: KeebKollector on Tue, 31 March 2020, 10:17:59
SA sucks decent set tho u know
Great feedback lmao...
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 31 March 2020, 10:47:26
- Added F13 to Alternate Function Colors
- No longer considering merging Assembly/40bit into a single kit with Git legends
- Still considering adding a 2nd B to each Alphas kit, just feels out of place and weird for most buyers. I don't mind a 2nd B in a addon kit covering those special layouts, but in this kit setup, it would fit with the Alphas the most.
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Post by: LostGoatOnHill on Tue, 31 March 2020, 12:57:25
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 31 March 2020, 13:02:46
Post by: horchata771 on Tue, 31 March 2020, 22:04:04
Post by: Robosculpts on Wed, 01 April 2020, 08:07:36
Post by: nasp on Wed, 01 April 2020, 10:09:50
- Cleaned up 40bit kit, remembered 2.25u and 1.75u row 3 also being used in other layouts
- Added F13 to Alternate Function Colors
- No longer considering merging Assembly/40bit into a single kit with Git legends
- Still considering adding a 2nd B to each Alphas kit, just feels out of place and weird for most buyers. I don't mind a 2nd B in a addon kit covering those special layouts, but in this kit setup, it would fit with the Alphas the most.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zxiIQfZ.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zdqHOf7.jpg)
Is it June yet?
About that extra B...just put it in a kit of its own with the other alt alpha B's. Who says you can't have a 4 key kit?! Checks date
Post by: D3LTA on Wed, 01 April 2020, 13:42:12
Post by: nasp on Wed, 01 April 2020, 13:47:50
I understand your reasoning of not including a typist kit, it's just a bit disappointing as Oblivion is such an iconic set that I had hoped to get one day (personally use colemak dhm, which isn't covered by the previous colevrak kit).
Hurry and get the ones that are available on Drop's closet sale. They are priced reasonably and probably won't last too long now that r2 is happening
Post by: radmedov on Wed, 01 April 2020, 14:54:19
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 02 April 2020, 04:12:31
Post by: Dorothy Sweet on Thu, 02 April 2020, 18:17:33
- Is there anyway you could at least support US ISO with 4 extra keys in one colour on one of the mod kits, as you are with GMK Monokai Material? That way at least ISO uses can physically fit keys on their keyboards even if the legends are wrong. If not, then it does exclude a lot of people straight off.
I'm seconding this, it was a massive bummer to see not even the most basic ISO support since the only board I use is ISO (and I massively prefer ISO in look and feel), I feel like most of the reason separate ISO kits fail is that they drive up the price too much when basic support of the layout can be added to existing kits for the price of a modest chocolate chip cookie
Post by: nasp on Thu, 02 April 2020, 21:21:01
- Is there anyway you could at least support US ISO with 4 extra keys in one colour on one of the mod kits, as you are with GMK Monokai Material? That way at least ISO uses can physically fit keys on their keyboards even if the legends are wrong. If not, then it does exclude a lot of people straight off.
I'm seconding this, it was a massive bummer to see not even the most basic ISO support since the only board I use is ISO (and I massively prefer ISO in look and feel), I feel like most of the reason separate ISO kits fail is that they drive up the price too much when basic support of the layout can be added to existing kits for the price of a modest chocolate chip cookie
May not be economical for you since shipping is from the US, but there a few ISO kits available from Drop here: https://mechkeys.drop.com/collections/everything-left/products/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set-45404?variant=31412011565100
Post by: CamRoslosn on Sun, 05 April 2020, 17:20:36
Post by: harlekein on Mon, 06 April 2020, 06:05:31
I understand your reasoning of not including a typist kit, it's just a bit disappointing as Oblivion is such an iconic set that I had hoped to get one day (personally use colemak dhm, which isn't covered by the previous colevrak kit).
Hurry and get the ones that are available on Drop's closet sale. They are priced reasonably and probably won't last too long now that r2 is happening
Problem is that one doesn't support DHm either. Neither did GMK Oblivion.
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 06 April 2020, 07:15:55
Post by: break on Mon, 06 April 2020, 09:56:43
Will it be run via Drop in North America or a different vendor?
From the original post:
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This group buy will be hosted by Drop this Summer.
Post by: kidpid on Mon, 06 April 2020, 10:00:22
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 06 April 2020, 11:17:28
Could the assembly kit get 2 1.5u spacebars for the Corne/Lily58/Orbit-X/etc.?
Unlikely, very rare layouts and it would be 4 1.5u keys (two for each color) that are not present elsewhere in the set, so they would add a noticeable amount to the price.
Post by: veg4 on Mon, 06 April 2020, 13:20:46
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Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 06 April 2020, 14:07:59
Yes, I wish to make MT3 Oblivion one day. It just wasn't time yet as MT3 Susuwatari has yet to ship (the first doubleshot MT3 set), and I wouldn't be doing Oblivion with the existing legends so a complete retool of the legends would also be required.
I'd be all over that. I would suggest using the brighter white colour, as opposed to beige alphas for that set. But I guess the renders and prototyping will tell you what's best.
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 06 April 2020, 14:13:49
Yes, I wish to make MT3 Oblivion one day. It just wasn't time yet as MT3 Susuwatari has yet to ship (the first doubleshot MT3 set), and I wouldn't be doing Oblivion with the existing legends so a complete retool of the legends would also be required.
I'd be all over that. I would suggest using the brighter white colour, as opposed to beige alphas for that set. But I guess the renders and prototyping will tell you what's best.
Oblivion never had beige alphas, or am I misunderstanding something.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 06 April 2020, 14:36:54
It's my understanding that GMK Oblivion V1 used a brighter colour [CP?] for the alphas and legends.
I like the Oblivion V2 monochrome legends. But in an ABS MT3 set, it might be more fun to go all-out with the CP or WS1 legends/alphas.
EDIT: Yeah, I said it wrong earlier. I meant that I liked the beige-ish legends in Oblivion V2, but I think that a more pure/solid white legend colour would be better on an MT3 set. But you will have a much better sense of what to do.
Post by: cypis666 on Wed, 08 April 2020, 07:34:20
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 08 April 2020, 12:36:20
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 08 April 2020, 12:46:14
would this ever be ran in XDA or MT3, both supperior layouts?
> calls profiles layouts
Read OP regarding MT3. For XDA, I'd love to but to my knowledge XDA does not offer all-over-dyesub.
Post by: Rök on Wed, 08 April 2020, 13:11:48
If there was a "IC" button for this, I would have pressed it a thousand times.
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 08 April 2020, 13:14:11
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 08 April 2020, 14:16:05
For XDA, I'd love to [...]
No, you wouldn't.
Post by: nasp on Wed, 08 April 2020, 14:17:17
For XDA, I'd love to [...]
No, you wouldn't.
Confirmed! Zambunny's next set will be in XDA
Post by: Dorothy Sweet on Fri, 10 April 2020, 08:45:44
May not be economical for you since shipping is from the US, but there a few ISO kits available from Drop here: https://mechkeys.drop.com/collections/everything-left/products/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set-45404?variant=31412011565100
definitely not very economical but I was still thinking about it, only just a couple days later the non-monochrome UK kits disappeared, and me being me I'm irrationally anxious about any minor discrepancies between the rounds too
edit: I would be up as well for a small basic ISO compat kit (enter, 1.25U shift, hagoromo r4 and r3 backslash, regular r4 and r3 backslash, it'd probably start getting expensive including all the monochrome enters, though the accents are cool) and I think that'd be less troublesome than a more expansive expensive kit, but might also still somewhat suffer the same fate where if you start driving up the price past the base kit, ISO people start unhooking and lose interest in getting any kits at all because it seems like a poor deal for them. (and for the record I do like ISO-UK legends and would pay a small premium for that myself, but I don't see masses of people wanting to do so)
Post by: Kaktus on Fri, 10 April 2020, 15:46:33
Post by: ThemCrookedVultures on Tue, 14 April 2020, 13:06:44
Post by: Kirihuna on Tue, 21 April 2020, 19:58:23
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 22 April 2020, 02:28:31
Could the assembly kit get 2 1.5u spacebars for the Corne/Lily58/Orbit-X/etc.?
Unlikely, very rare layouts and it would be 4 1.5u keys (two for each color) that are not present elsewhere in the set, so they would add a noticeable amount to the price.
Split ergo boards are really not as rare as you think. All you have to do is look at some of the recent ortho kits (SA or MT3) from MiTo if you want to do it well.
Your kit already gets away with fewer keys because of the non-descriptive legends. I find it difficult to believe a few blanks would drive up the price that much.
Post by: utdconsq on Wed, 22 April 2020, 03:07:44
would this ever be ran in XDA or MT3, both supperior layouts?
I dunno, man. I'm glad he's favoured MT3, my fave profile. I have canvas in XDA and it looks beautiful...but I hate typing on it. Unsure how many others share this opinion.
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 22 April 2020, 07:52:46
would this ever be ran in XDA or MT3, both supperior layouts?
I dunno, man. I'm glad he's favoured MT3, my fave profile. I have canvas in XDA and it looks beautiful...but I hate typing on it. Unsure how many others share this opinion.
XDA looks delicious, but I don't like typing on it either. Cherry profile is the other way around for me.
Post by: LevelSteam on Wed, 22 April 2020, 08:20:32
I have nearly everything from R1 and looking forward to completing my set, plus new alphas. Hope this sells somewhere other than Drop, I won’t buy there anymore.Seconded.
Post by: Ruboka on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:35:49
Only request I have is the option for an ISO - DE layout.
Post by: d0nk on Wed, 22 April 2020, 16:23:59
Post by: Stanley.Bishop on Thu, 23 April 2020, 05:21:05
Post by: Radium on Thu, 23 April 2020, 18:25:37
Post by: owltro on Mon, 27 April 2020, 03:24:12
Post by: doctorserka on Tue, 28 April 2020, 14:08:58
Im waiting to GB of this set. It looks very good, and the quality of SP keycaps is always the best.
Agree with every word! Luv every keycap here and wanna buy as many as I can))
Can't wait for GB!
Post by: Rök on Tue, 28 April 2020, 14:16:21
I so badly want those git modifiers ;D
Post by: powahause on Wed, 29 April 2020, 00:16:48
Count me in, love me some clean hagoromoAlways though the hagoromo kit looks better than stock oblivion too
Post by: Howgii on Mon, 04 May 2020, 14:52:28
Post by: Kaktus on Fri, 08 May 2020, 09:55:38
Post by: beekey on Sat, 09 May 2020, 03:38:25
Post by: jammypiano on Sat, 09 May 2020, 10:12:39
Excellent work by the way! :)
Post by: mvkoto on Mon, 11 May 2020, 12:56:03
Post by: b0bab0i on Mon, 11 May 2020, 20:03:27
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Post by: killerclackityclack on Tue, 12 May 2020, 10:10:17
Post by: KeyCap75 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 23:32:51
Post by: enjoidis on Fri, 15 May 2020, 00:24:23
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 15 May 2020, 09:42:14
Post by: Kaktus on Fri, 15 May 2020, 12:57:15
No ISO support? :(
You're not alone :-\
Post by: LightenS on Fri, 15 May 2020, 15:05:22
1. Colevark Users has to to purchase both alpha and colevrak if they are interested. Otherwise, they can purchase only alpha.
2. Why will any person buy only a colevrak set if there is no alpha to go with it? especially when most of the group buy only happens once or twice.
3. If a person is missing an alpha set, And the Alpha set is no longer able to find, they can pay the price of (alpha+colevrak) set instead. I am pretty sure most will purchase anyway, knowing that the after market price will be much higher anyway. Items sitting in inventory because it is incomplete, not because there is no demand.
4. Let's say that the person already has alpha and only need Colevrak. they can purchase and sell alpha without any problems.
It is not because Colevrak is a problem, but the design assembly problems.
The easy way out is to take out the set(s) completely instead of thinking of a way to solve. Which, sadly, most of the designers have chosen.
You will ask me, why not combine ISO and others like the colevrak set as well. The answer lies in MOQ and the price of the items.
Given that the Colevrak set price is basically another alpha set to begin with. User already pay double. and We are fine with it since it is our hobby.
Let say ISO is $20. Will people pay $60 more just to get a $20 values? Maybe not.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 15 May 2020, 16:01:44
To be honest, the way of Colevrak kit is made is completely wrong. The set should include Alpha Set and Colevrak instead of split them up.
1. Colevark Users has to to purchase both alpha and colevrak if they are interested. Otherwise, they can purchase only alpha.
2. Why will any person buy only a colevrak set if there is no alpha to go with it? especially when most of the group buy only happens once or twice.
3. If a person is missing an alpha set, And the Alpha set is no longer able to find, they can pay the price of (alpha+colevrak) set instead. I am pretty sure most will purchase anyway, knowing that the after market price will be much higher anyway. Items sitting in inventory because it is incomplete, not because there is no demand.
4. Let's say that the person already has alpha and only need Colevrak. they can purchase and sell alpha without any problems.
It is not because Colevrak is a problem, but the design assembly problems.
The easy way out is to take out the set(s) completely instead of thinking of a way to solve. Which, sadly, most of the designers have chosen.
You will ask me, why not combine ISO and others like the colevrak set as well. The answer lies in MOQ and the price of the items.
Given that the Colevrak set price is basically another alpha set to begin with. User already pay double. and We are fine with it since it is our hobby.
Let say ISO is $20. Will people pay $60 more just to get a $20 values? Maybe not.
as a colemak user the last thing i want is to pay $20 for more **** i won't use
i'm always happy to pay the extra $40 or whatever for colevrak
i mostly just use blanks and then i don't even have to pay for a colevrak kit most of the time anyway
Post by: karlb on Sat, 16 May 2020, 01:50:12
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Post by: Tunabelly on Mon, 18 May 2020, 21:54:04
missed the first GB so im not missing this one
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 19 May 2020, 02:22:46
To be honest, the way of Colevrak kit is made is completely wrong. The set should include Alpha Set and Colevrak instead of split them up.
1. Colevark Users has to to purchase both alpha and colevrak if they are interested. Otherwise, they can purchase only alpha.
2. Why will any person buy only a colevrak set if there is no alpha to go with it? especially when most of the group buy only happens once or twice.
3. If a person is missing an alpha set, And the Alpha set is no longer able to find, they can pay the price of (alpha+colevrak) set instead. I am pretty sure most will purchase anyway, knowing that the after market price will be much higher anyway. Items sitting in inventory because it is incomplete, not because there is no demand.
4. Let's say that the person already has alpha and only need Colevrak. they can purchase and sell alpha without any problems.
It is not because Colevrak is a problem, but the design assembly problems.
The easy way out is to take out the set(s) completely instead of thinking of a way to solve. Which, sadly, most of the designers have chosen.
I have had the same tought as you, but there are a couple of reasons Colevrak sets are set up this way. I believe to get full coverage for all layouts in one kit, the keys you could take out of a QWERTY alphas kit are minimal. Any advantage is negligible.
To avoid this you could in theory have a Colemak, a Dvorak and a QWERTY alphas kit, and while QWERTY is horrible by all means, most people stick to it. Dvorak/Colemak users are a minority and sales numbers prove that time and time again.
But there is hope for us. Look at KAT Space Cadet. The way KAT sets up MOQ it becomes feasible to have a dedicated Colemak and Dvorak alphas kit.
Personally I also like novelty legends a lot, so I tend to go for those. Look at upcoming KAT Iron which has Phoenician alphas for example. I prefer those over Latin legends any day. Of course not when it becomes overdone, like Hiragana.
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 19 May 2020, 17:59:26
To be honest, the way of Colevrak kit is made is completely wrong. The set should include Alpha Set and Colevrak instead of split them up.
1. Colevark Users has to to purchase both alpha and colevrak if they are interested. Otherwise, they can purchase only alpha.
2. Why will any person buy only a colevrak set if there is no alpha to go with it? especially when most of the group buy only happens once or twice.
3. If a person is missing an alpha set, And the Alpha set is no longer able to find, they can pay the price of (alpha+colevrak) set instead. I am pretty sure most will purchase anyway, knowing that the after market price will be much higher anyway. Items sitting in inventory because it is incomplete, not because there is no demand.
4. Let's say that the person already has alpha and only need Colevrak. they can purchase and sell alpha without any problems.
It is not because Colevrak is a problem, but the design assembly problems.
The easy way out is to take out the set(s) completely instead of thinking of a way to solve. Which, sadly, most of the designers have chosen.
I have had the same tought as you, but there are a couple of reasons Colevrak sets are set up this way. I believe to get full coverage for all layouts in one kit, the keys you could take out of a QWERTY alphas kit are minimal. Any advantage is negligible.
To avoid this you could in theory have a Colemak, a Dvorak and a QWERTY alphas kit, and while QWERTY is horrible by all means, most people stick to it. Dvorak/Colemak users are a minority and sales numbers prove that time and time again.
But there is hope for us. Look at KAT Space Cadet. The way KAT sets up MOQ it becomes feasible to have a dedicated Colemak and Dvorak alphas kit.
Personally I also like novelty legends a lot, so I tend to go for those. Look at upcoming KAT Iron which has Phoenician alphas for example. I prefer those over Latin legends any day. Of course not when it becomes overdone, like Hiragana.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZTr9EIr.png)
Post by: ♾Ḋḯṩⱥṩẗḝṟ on Wed, 20 May 2020, 02:32:08
Vote for ISO...immediately ordered the ISO NorDe kit from Drop, just to notice afterwards, that there is no basic ISO support in none of the modifier kits 🤦♂️😖
Yeah, thank you for pointing that out. I did exactly the same :mad:
Post by: beigeandbrown on Fri, 22 May 2020, 04:21:00
Post by: jmg123 on Fri, 22 May 2020, 12:56:52
Vote for ISO...immediately ordered the ISO NorDe kit from Drop, just to notice afterwards, that there is no basic ISO support in none of the modifier kits 🤦♂️😖
Which keys you after? I am only using some keys from my R1 UK Iso kits, I have spare monochrome returns, the git return , the shift, and the alt gr.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 22 May 2020, 13:14:05
Post by: Boy_314 on Fri, 22 May 2020, 13:15:13
Post by: Kaktus on Sat, 23 May 2020, 15:08:49
Vote for ISO...immediately ordered the ISO NorDe kit from Drop, just to notice afterwards, that there is no basic ISO support in none of the modifier kits 🤦♂️😖
Which keys you after? I am only using some keys from my R1 UK Iso kits, I have spare monochrome returns, the git return , the shift, and the alt gr.
I only need the GIT Iso key. The only key that I need to finish my SA Oblivion Build :confused:
Post by: ♾Ḋḯṩⱥṩẗḝṟ on Mon, 25 May 2020, 02:45:27
Currently waiting for pricing from SP. Will update with launch date soon.
Hey Oblotzky, thank you for doing another SA Oblivion run! Please consider adding the Oblivion and Git UK kit to the GB. I'm not the only one who bought a left over NorDe kit from Drop, just to realize that there is no iso enter in the upcoming GB.
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 25 May 2020, 03:44:44
Post by: Turnstiled on Thu, 28 May 2020, 08:21:40
Post by: danielpi on Thu, 28 May 2020, 21:46:45
Post by: Gimbal on Fri, 29 May 2020, 12:53:47
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 29 May 2020, 12:57:44
Please don't cut Mac OS X extras. There are not an insignificant number of us Mac users who'd really appreciate having that option. Please!
based on previous GB numbers, that "not-insignificant" number is about the same as ISO users
Post by: SaraZera on Sun, 31 May 2020, 18:36:39
Post by: beigeandbrown on Mon, 01 June 2020, 20:27:20
Post by: Turnstiled on Mon, 01 June 2020, 23:00:09
I swear I check back on this thread hourly. Those mods make me salivate.
I check it daily. I don't check anything daily. Not even my email.
Post by: sfcgeorge on Wed, 03 June 2020, 08:13:52
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 03 June 2020, 08:58:38
I realise it's probably too late but another vote for bringing back the Colevrak kit please. Specifically in Hagoromo color way (otherwise I'd buy the overstock now). Makes sense to ditch some of the novelty sets as they're optional, but for non-qwerty users the Colevrak set is essential. I definitely regret not buying the first time round, it's such a beautiful set! 💙
I will certainly not be ditching Git modifiers (the only real novelties in this set) in favor of an alternate layout that sells 20 units.
Post by: sfcgeorge on Thu, 04 June 2020, 12:24:01
I will certainly not be ditching Git modifiers (the only real novelties in this set) in favor of an alternate layout that sells 20 units.
Nuuu I wouldn't want you to ditch Git mods, they're awesome; the punchy colors and unique labels are what makes this set so beautiful. I meant ditching the "novelties" that you've already ditched like Communities and LEDs makes sense, sorry if that was the wrong terminology.
Looking at the quantities, yeah only like 80 Colevrak sets combined sold. So you lose maybe 5% of overall purchases from not having them, but that's probably not enough to offset whatever the cost of buying out to MOQ is. The "Drop 1" quantity was listed as 25, but I assume that's less than the MOQ otherwise there wouldn't be any left over?
Post by: FriendlyNerd on Fri, 05 June 2020, 10:54:10
Post by: Macabe on Fri, 05 June 2020, 19:00:51
Post by: heliar_mk on Sat, 06 June 2020, 09:01:01
Post by: tommyonsn on Sun, 07 June 2020, 12:39:53
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 07 June 2020, 13:34:25
Any update of the GB time？
We're currently working out pricing, will announce the date once that is done.
Post by: JHuynh760@gmail.com on Wed, 10 June 2020, 17:04:04
Post by: EndlesslyWandering on Wed, 10 June 2020, 18:06:42
Post by: ja.ze on Thu, 11 June 2020, 00:14:36
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 11 June 2020, 05:19:22
Is there any chance for an ortho kit?
(https://i.imgur.com/aRoIDpu.jpg)
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 11 June 2020, 14:25:00
Is there any chance for an ortho kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aRoIDpu.jpg)
Are the R3 blanks convex? They don't look like it in the render.
Post by: Onne on Thu, 11 June 2020, 14:51:30
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 12 June 2020, 06:52:00
Is there any chance for an ortho kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aRoIDpu.jpg)
Are the R3 blanks convex? They don't look like it in the render.
As far as I know SA doesn't have small convex bars. Only R3.
Post by: ja.ze on Fri, 12 June 2020, 11:57:05
Is there any chance for an ortho kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aRoIDpu.jpg)
Derp, my bad. Definitely in for a few sets. Is this going to run anywhere else besides Drop? No love for LATAM there.
Post by: digid3ar on Fri, 12 June 2020, 12:05:00
Is there any chance for an ortho kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aRoIDpu.jpg)
Derp, my bad. Definitely in for a few sets. Is this going to run anywhere else besides Drop? No love for LATAM there.
there isnt any vendor in latam :'( , and the proxys are reliable
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 12 June 2020, 16:32:34
Is there any chance for an ortho kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aRoIDpu.jpg)
Are the R3 blanks convex? They don't look like it in the render.
As far as I know SA doesn't have small convex bars. Only R3.
Good point. I was thinking of GMK.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 12 June 2020, 16:41:47
Post by: Narf on Fri, 12 June 2020, 18:26:01
any possibility of Sol2 support for Ergo kit?Yes, please consider adding two more R3 1.5u keys to the Ergo.dox kit for boards like Boardwalk, Sol 2, Pan, Mün, etc. I would really prefer not to buy another mod kit just to get those two keys. I suppose if the 40s kit were super cheap I wouldn't mind buying it for more R3 1.5u and some 1.25u keys. While I also have a Sol 2 that has 1u inner mods, I would probably just use the 1us left over from the from the thumb cluster and ignore the sculpt because those mods are separated from the alphas. Alternatively, you could buy the Assembly kit for those 1u keys. Actually, the Assembly kit would be a pretty good add-on for Ergo users because of the 2u blanks in the Alpha colors. Hopefully they aren't too expensive.
2x 1.5 R3
1u R2, R3, R4 for inner column
BTW, the only two flaws that I saw in the otherwise excellent Assembly Base Kit in GMK Oblivion V2 were the lack of two additional R4 1.5u keys and a second 2u convex spacebar.
Confirming that those are not spacebar shaped. SP SA tooling only offers 4u, 6.25u and 7u as far as I am aware.Does SP really not offer convex 2u spacebars? That's a bummer. Would have liked to see those in the Assembly and Ergo.dox kits. You would think that there would be enough demand for that size...
Post by: Packkkk on Mon, 15 June 2020, 21:05:32
Post by: itsslim on Mon, 15 June 2020, 21:36:14
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Post by: Gimbal on Tue, 16 June 2020, 02:40:32
That is all.
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 16 June 2020, 11:56:48
Also, please do not forget to add a monochrome iso enter key.
That is all.
Good luck with getting that. ISO is IS NO
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 16 June 2020, 20:08:40
Also, please do not forget to add a monochrome iso enter key.
That is all.
Good luck with getting that. ISO is IS NO
Yes, unfortunately ISO is a no-go this time around:
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For these reasons, I have removed some decorative kits (tenkeyless.asm, macros.asm, LED, OSX, communities), as well as Minila, Colevrak and ISO layout kits. Once we've weathered 2020 and MT3 Oblivion happens, I intend to bring back Typist and International support.
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Post by: itsslim on Tue, 16 June 2020, 20:50:13
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 23 June 2020, 08:35:36
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Tue, 23 June 2020, 08:51:24
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 23 June 2020, 08:56:30
I really hope this has icon legends like GMK Oblivion III.
I really hope it doesn't.
Post by: duckadence on Sun, 28 June 2020, 12:52:02
Post by: Nemja on Tue, 30 June 2020, 01:43:10
Post by: stealthzero on Wed, 01 July 2020, 15:55:48
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3hUvF5H.jpg)
Hello everyone,
I'd like to introduce the second version of SA Oblivion. I've been asked a lot through PM's and such when this set would return, after all it has soon been 2.5 years since the last time you could purchase this without having to scour extras and mechmarket, so it's long overdue. Originally, my plan was to run the set again in MT3 doubleshot when I saw matt3o doing MT3 Susuwatari. However that set has yet to ship, and also I would want to use a different font for this (and other) projects if I were to go the MT3 route.
So there is a project to get MT3 Oblivion?
Yes, I wish to make MT3 Oblivion one day. It just wasn't time yet as MT3 Susuwatari has yet to ship (the first doubleshot MT3 set), and I wouldn't be doing Oblivion with the existing legends so a complete retool of the legends would also be required.
Good sir...when you make this in MT3, all my dollars will be yours lol. Cant wait for this to happen.
Post by: aWarmWalrus on Sat, 04 July 2020, 01:47:59
1) SA profile (I type with my ergodox flat on the table, so MT3's declined keycaps do nothing for me)
2) Ergo modifiers that aren't blank
3) More vim modifiers
Please make this happen!
Post by: gminso on Sun, 05 July 2020, 02:20:40
its beautiful :eek:
Post by: horchata771 on Mon, 06 July 2020, 18:20:22
Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 08 July 2020, 07:23:38
Might be in on this for the Ergo and Hagoromo kits. The trash talk on SA has me nervous, but this looks pretty slick.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 08 July 2020, 07:28:16
Is it just me or did the hagoromo kits get new renders?
I did a full refresh of the renders, added a 2nd B to the Alphas and trimmed 1u/2u shifts from Modifiers to improve pricing.
Currently renovating my room into a office space so a bit busy atm, but will be sharing more news this week!
Post by: matrixzj on Wed, 08 July 2020, 08:12:05
Is it just me or did the hagoromo kits get new renders?
I did a full refresh of the renders, added a 2nd B to the Alphas and trimmed 1u/2u shifts from Modifiers to improve pricing.
Currently renovating my room into a office space so a bit busy atm, but will be sharing more news this week!
Great to know it. Do not forget share photos for new office space too :)
Post by: skipper88 on Sat, 11 July 2020, 13:38:48
Post by: TameFlame on Sun, 12 July 2020, 08:34:12
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 12 July 2020, 10:21:20
What are the chances this will have a EU drop, like they've previously experimented with?
I haven't been following Drop that closely, but I think so far they've only tried EU-based fulfillment for some of the audiophile stuff, never anything mech keys. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 12 July 2020, 10:40:58
What are the chances this will have a EU drop, like they've previously experimented with?
Mito tried for GMK Laser R2. Oblotzky might have more luck?
Post by: Gimbal on Sun, 12 July 2020, 11:26:55
What are the chances this will have a EU drop, like they've previously experimented with?I would guess slim to none, considering there is neither ISO nor international keys available. Sales to the EU market will be pretty slim.
Post by: WorldExclusive on Sun, 12 July 2020, 12:31:19
Post by: jaffinator on Mon, 13 July 2020, 00:32:21
Post by: Britchen on Mon, 13 July 2020, 09:45:25
Post by: jimboytacos on Mon, 13 July 2020, 14:10:38
I'm interested in this too but I'd also like to know, if you were to do MT3 Oblivion, how far away would that be? At least a year away?
It's already been done. MT3 Susuwatari.
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 13 July 2020, 14:11:47
No.I'm interested in this too but I'd also like to know, if you were to do MT3 Oblivion, how far away would that be? At least a year away?
It's already been done. MT3 Susuwatari.
Post by: jimboytacos on Mon, 13 July 2020, 19:19:57
No.I'm interested in this too but I'd also like to know, if you were to do MT3 Oblivion, how far away would that be? At least a year away?
It's already been done. MT3 Susuwatari.
Lol
Go look yourself. Susuwatari looks nothing like its advertised renders.
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 13 July 2020, 19:24:14
It’s fair to say that Susuwatari ended up closer to Oblivion as a keyset but not fair to say that Oblivion would look like this if made in the MT3 family.No.I'm interested in this too but I'd also like to know, if you were to do MT3 Oblivion, how far away would that be? At least a year away?
It's already been done. MT3 Susuwatari.
Lol
Go look yourself. Susuwatari looks nothing like its advertised renders.
Post by: Jefff on Wed, 15 July 2020, 15:27:40
Post by: cordy5134 on Wed, 15 July 2020, 23:28:58
Is this still happening Summer 2020? Haven't heard anything new about the GB since April.According to Drop‘s discord, it's next month
Post by: tunb on Thu, 16 July 2020, 04:24:02
Post by: eviLittle on Thu, 16 July 2020, 07:13:09
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 16 July 2020, 16:22:32
(https://i.imgur.com/pyK7Iet.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TMBJ2Jf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SOCO9kj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nmIiYmh.jpg)
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 16 July 2020, 17:18:56
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 16 July 2020, 19:23:20
Post by: horchata771 on Thu, 16 July 2020, 19:55:47
We're going live in August ;) might have another feature to reveal soon
Does this feature involve a way to type my emails for me while I sleep? Jk ;D
....but seriously....is it a desk mat? :cool:
Post by: King4477 on Thu, 16 July 2020, 20:01:08
Post by: beigeandbrown on Sat, 18 July 2020, 01:04:11
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Tue, 28 July 2020, 11:10:26
Post by: tobold on Fri, 31 July 2020, 13:07:10
Post by: tempo on Fri, 31 July 2020, 13:11:47
Post by: KMPLSV on Fri, 31 July 2020, 13:24:37
Are the prices up?This.
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Post by: -Jerry- on Fri, 31 July 2020, 14:25:44
Easy enough to see by scrolling up and seeing the last edited date :)
Post by: beigeandbrown on Sat, 01 August 2020, 17:22:46
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 02 August 2020, 22:08:53
Are the prices up?
prices are now up: https://drop.com/buy/drop-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-v2
Post by: mdiblasi on Sun, 02 August 2020, 22:26:42
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Post by: King4477 on Mon, 03 August 2020, 08:32:56
Post by: b0bab0i on Mon, 03 August 2020, 09:14:14
Every time I add another item, it adds the full alpha price + the addon?
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 03 August 2020, 09:16:08
With massdrop’s new system of charging when ordered, is there any benefit to buying sooner rather than waiting until the last day?There are no price drops so it doesn’t matter when you order. Not that it is useful info now but it didn’t matter when you ordered even when there were price drops.
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 03 August 2020, 09:17:01
Is the ordering system messed up on Drop?I didn’t notice anything unusual. What prices are you seeing and for what kits?
Every time I add another item, it adds the full alpha price + the addon?
Post by: b0bab0i on Mon, 03 August 2020, 09:21:45
Is the ordering system messed up on Drop?I didn’t notice anything unusual. What prices are you seeing and for what kits?
Every time I add another item, it adds the full alpha price + the addon?
Nvm. Lol I figured out how it adds the pricing. It has a $45 base price for each item and fluctuates amount based on that. It’s correct.
Post by: ZongZiWang on Mon, 03 August 2020, 12:13:19
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 03 August 2020, 13:46:25
Any chance to include one more tab key in the modifier kit, so getting 2nd alpha kit can technically cover 2 boards with one ANSI and one Tsangan (or 65%)?
No. The IC was open for 4 months, I can't make changes like that when pricing is already finalized and the group buy is live.
Post by: Techlet on Mon, 03 August 2020, 14:45:38
People who use R1 Del on 65/75% are going to be screwed if they don't also double check the IC thread.
Post by: jimboytacos on Mon, 03 August 2020, 15:07:40
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