Why do I not feel like the HHKB is superior?

[Sagii]

Well, okey, I'll admit it, the title isn't too appropriate, but it's a play on my last thread "WHY is the HHKB superior?"
I've now had my HHKB Pro 2 for maybe a month or so, and I just simply don't like it. I just can't fall in love with it. And I can't really figure out why. I like the layout 'n all that, but I still can't get myself to like it. Whenever I type on it, it just feels awkward. I thought it was just me having to get used to it, and so I've kept using it, but to no avail. What bothers me the most is the height/keytravel.
However, all mechs have a farther travel than the traditional RB, so maybe it's the mechanical switches in general that I don't like? Maybe all I need to do is change my keycap profile to DCS or something, who knows!

Anywhoo, I'm now considering to sell my HHKB Pro 2 and get something else. To venture deeper into the dungeons of mechanical keyboards! Anyone got some advice for a still pretty new newbie, who wants to learn even more? Where to start?
I kinda want to see if it's the HHKB in particular, or mechs in general that I don't like O_o
What do you guys say? A poker 2 with some custom caps (preferably DCS), a ducky tkl, or maybe even a choc mini?

[jdcarpe]

Why do I not feel like the HHKB is superior?

Because you're wrong?


) ) )

[Sagii]

Why do I not feel like the HHKB is superior?

Because you're wrong?


) ) )

Touchè, mein freund.

[Puddsy]

I don;t like it either. You're not weird.

[Sagii]

I don;t like it either. You're not weird.

Good to hear ) But I can't figure out if it's 'cause I don't like mechanicals, or because I don't like the HHKB (not expecting you guys to answer that question for me). That's why I want to dwelve deeper

[cphead]

You haven't tried any of the cherry mx switches? Although if you don't like the travel after a month maybe you're destined to use scissor switches =p

[jameslr]

That's the reason I sold mine. I could never get used to the layout. It had its advantages, but I still strongly prefer a standard US ANSI TKL.

[Thimplum]

Topre is very much a love it or hate it sort of thing. Disliking Topre does NOT mean that you don't like any mechanical boards, it just means that you don't like that particular switch. Try something like a Model M or Cherry Blues if you get the chance, you might like those.

[hwood34]

MX master race

[exitfire401]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference...Gonna go with JD on this one though and say you're wrong  )

[Sagii]

That's the reason I sold mine. I could never get used to the layout. It had its advantages, but I still strongly prefer a standard US ANSI TKL.

Thing is.. I got used to the layout I actually really like the layout )

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference...Gonna go with JD on this one though and say you're wrong  )

Good thing this is a forum where free speech is a known human right! ) No, but seriously, I was hoping I was wrong for a long time

[bazh]

it is because you're not joining the Thorpe-side strong enough

[Thimplum]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

[Photekq]

Welcome back thimplum! How's it going dude?

[Thimplum]

Haha, pretty well. How about yourself?

[Sagii]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

[exitfire401]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

Have you tried 55g Topre though? I hated (and still do hate) 45g, but 55g is the best switch I've typed on.

[jdcarpe]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

You should take a break from it. Try MX, Alps, buckling springs, etc. Use those for like a year. Then come back to the HHKB. See if your opinion has changed.

[Sagii]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

Have you tried 55g Topre though? I hated (and still do hate) 45g, but 55g is the best switch I've typed on.

... you shut your mouth. I don't want to spend another 250 bucks!
But in all seriousness; the 45g topre feels too "snappy" at times. And common sense tells me the 55g might be even worse when it comes to that.. but who knows. I can't ever know for sure, unless I try it 

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

You should take a break from it. Try MX, Alps, buckling springs, etc. Use those for like a year. Then come back to the HHKB. See if your opinion has changed.

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm planning atm. We'll see what I end up doing. My reasoning, however, is that if I can't learn to love a keyboard that I've spent 275 bucks on, not even after 1-2 months of constant use, then it probably isn't for me )

[Lurch]

The layout on hhkb is great if you can get used to it.

[Sagii]

The layout on hhkb is great if you can get used to it.

As I've said before, I really like the HHKB layout, so it's not that.

[Beca]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

Have you tried 55g Topre though? I hated (and still do hate) 45g, but 55g is the best switch I've typed on.

... you shut your mouth. I don't want to spend another 250 bucks!
But in all seriousness; the 45g topre feels too "snappy" at times. And common sense tells me the 55g might be even worse when it comes to that.. but who knows. I can't ever know for sure, unless I try it 

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

You should take a break from it. Try MX, Alps, buckling springs, etc. Use those for like a year. Then come back to the HHKB. See if your opinion has changed.

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm planning atm. We'll see what I end up doing. My reasoning, however, is that if I can't learn to love a keyboard that I've spent 275 bucks on, not even after 1-2 months of constant use, then it probably isn't for me )

Try a lube/dental band mod? I've never gone back to my rf 45g after getting a modded fc660c

[osi]

A great sage by the name of eth0s once pointed out an important detail about the hhkb. The name is actually "happy hacking keyboard professional 2".

Noobs need not apply

<3

[Hypersphere]

This is why there are so many choices on the market. You don't have to like the HHKB Pro 2; there is nothing wrong with you if you don't like it.

In my own case, I like the HHKB Pro 2 so much that I bought three of them: one of my home office workstation and two for the two workstations at work. To me, the combination of the 60% form factor, styling/design/symmetry, and the incredible intuitive/efficient layout combine to make a superb keyboard. But is it perfect? No, of course not. On the other hand, there aren't many things I would want to change about it. However, if I could make some changes, here is what they would be:

-- 55g switches.
-- Metal plate.
-- USB-C or micro-USB connector.
-- Bluetooth option.

In my case, I think I would also go for the Type-S option, which already exists, but I do wish they would lower the price for this option.

I also had a Leopold FC660C, but I gave it away because I did not like the layout or keycaps.

I currently have a RF 87 u 55g. I like some things about it better than the HHKB (such as the 55g switches and its more solid sound and feel, probably because of the steel plate), but I switched back to the HHKB Pro 2 because its form factor and layout are more important to me than the other factors.

My other favorite is an IBM XT keyboard that I refurbished and converted to USB with Soarer's Converter. I love the capacitive buckling spring switches and dye-sub PBT keycaps of the XT along with its rugged solid build. But after using it for a while, I always seem to come back to the HHKB Pro 2.

To each his/her own!

[Sagii]

This is why there are so many choices on the market. You don't have to like the HHKB Pro 2; there is nothing wrong with you if you don't like it.

In my own case, I like the HHKB Pro 2 so much that I bought three of them: one of my home office workstation and two for the two workstations at work. To me, the combination of the 60% form factor, styling/design/symmetry, and the incredible intuitive/efficient layout combine to make a superb keyboard. But is it perfect? No, of course not. On the other hand, there aren't many things I would want to change about it. However, if I could make some changes, here is what they would be:

-- 55g switches.
-- Metal plate.
-- USB-C or micro-USB connector.
-- Bluetooth option.

In my case, I think I would also go for the Type-S option, which already exists, but I do wish they would lower the price for this option.

I also had a Leopold FC660C, but I gave it away because I did not like the layout or keycaps.

I currently have a RF 87 u 55g. I like some things about it better than the HHKB (such as the 55g switches and its more solid sound and feel, probably because of the steel plate), but I switched back to the HHKB Pro 2 because its form factor and layout are more important to me than the other factors.

My other favorite is an IBM XT keyboard that I refurbished and converted to USB with Soarer's Converter. I love the capacitive buckling spring switches and dye-sub PBT keycaps of the XT along with its rugged solid build. But after using it for a while, I always seem to come back to the HHKB Pro 2.

To each his/her own!

I really like the form factor.. especially now that I've got a gamepad as well ^^ that's why I'm strongly considering getting a poker 2 + I like the Pn layer. I'm also considering the fm660c (that's mx, right?), so that I can get stock clears (qtan), but I'm not sure yet!

[Hypersphere]

This is why there are so many choices on the market. You don't have to like the HHKB Pro 2; there is nothing wrong with you if you don't like it.

In my own case, I like the HHKB Pro 2 so much that I bought three of them: one of my home office workstation and two for the two workstations at work. To me, the combination of the 60% form factor, styling/design/symmetry, and the incredible intuitive/efficient layout combine to make a superb keyboard. But is it perfect? No, of course not. On the other hand, there aren't many things I would want to change about it. However, if I could make some changes, here is what they would be:

-- 55g switches.
-- Metal plate.
-- USB-C or micro-USB connector.
-- Bluetooth option.

In my case, I think I would also go for the Type-S option, which already exists, but I do wish they would lower the price for this option.

I also had a Leopold FC660C, but I gave it away because I did not like the layout or keycaps.

I currently have a RF 87 u 55g. I like some things about it better than the HHKB (such as the 55g switches and its more solid sound and feel, probably because of the steel plate), but I switched back to the HHKB Pro 2 because its form factor and layout are more important to me than the other factors.

My other favorite is an IBM XT keyboard that I refurbished and converted to USB with Soarer's Converter. I love the capacitive buckling spring switches and dye-sub PBT keycaps of the XT along with its rugged solid build. But after using it for a while, I always seem to come back to the HHKB Pro 2.

To each his/her own!

I really like the form factor.. especially now that I've got a gamepad as well ^^ that's why I'm strongly considering getting a poker 2 + I like the Pn layer. I'm also considering the fm660c (that's mx, right?), so that I can get stock clears (qtan), but I'm not sure yet!

The mx version of the Leo board is the FC660M. I have one with mx blues, but I do not like it much. The FC660C with Topre 45g switches seems infinitely better to me, and because of its steel plate, it sounds and feels more solid than the HHKB Pro 2. But among all the Topre boards I have tried thus far, I still prefer the HHKB Pro 2; it has the best combination of features. I am typing on one now that has a black case, black mods (including a black spacebar), and white alpha and number keys -- it looks great and works well for me. However, I am looking forward to trying the CM Novatouch to see how it compares with the other Topre switch boards on the market.

[rowdy]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58499.0

Such deja vu.

Very memory.

So search.

Wow!

[Defect]

I don't know what the prices look like for your region, but I still recommend the same thing I recommended when you were first looking for boards:

Make/mod your own! Pick up a cheap decent quality TKL (QFR comes to mind) and get some clears, some blacks, and some lube.  I like to make mini-switch testers on my boards by modding the F-Row (I rarely use anything beyond F5) 

They come in nice 4-key clusters - perfect for switch testing.

When I bring my ducky to work, sometimes I unplug it just to run across the F-Row and re-assure myself that ghost blacks and modded clears are my favorite MX switches.

Also, not sure if it's still going on but I know Sprit had a GB for korean springs.  I recommend 62g, 65g, and then another of your choosing (or just those two).

[Novus]

Great reverse necro thread

[frosty]

it's ok
i say ew to topre everytime i press one

i'm sorry it's just me

[Sagii]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58499.0

Such deja vu.

Very memory.

So search.

Wow!

Great reverse necro thread

Well, I thought it was fitting.

[Sagii]

I don't know what the prices look like for your region, but I still recommend the same thing I recommended when you were first looking for boards:

Make/mod your own! Pick up a cheap decent quality TKL (QFR comes to mind) and get some clears, some blacks, and some lube.  I like to make mini-switch testers on my boards by modding the F-Row (I rarely use anything beyond F5) 

They come in nice 4-key clusters - perfect for switch testing.

When I bring my ducky to work, sometimes I unplug it just to run across the F-Row and re-assure myself that ghost blacks and modded clears are my favorite MX switches.

Also, not sure if it's still going on but I know Sprit had a GB for korean springs.  I recommend 62g, 65g, and then another of your choosing (or just those two).

I'm definitely considering doing that ^^ you still praise the ghost blacks and panda clears?

[Grim Fandango]

That's the reason I sold mine. I could never get used to the layout. It had its advantages, but I still strongly prefer a standard US ANSI TKL.

I also do not really like the layout. Well, I like it because it looks fantastic, because it is small and centered. But the layout is just not for me, even though I understand others really like it.

The profile of the HHKB is not really that much different to many other keyboards. If that is the thing bothering you, then that probably has to do with you using a lower profile keyboard or keycaps before. Despite what some people claim (about peripherals feeling like instant upgrades) most of the time we are most comfortable with whatever we have been using for a long time. Because muscle memory and overall familiarity with one keyboard, switching to another will not always instantly feel better. Even if that old keyboard was a rubber dome and the new one is a fancy Topre keyboard.

For me, part of what makes the HHKB feel "not special" is the lack of a metal backplate. I am not saying it needs one, just trying to put my finger on why the feel of the HHKB , for me, is slightly worse than some of its competitors.

Kind of amazing that you just got into keyboards and went with the HHKB as your very first one.

[Grim Fandango]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58499.0

Such deja vu.

Very memory.

So search.

Wow!

 

[Novus]

HHKB TYPE S

[Oobly]

I would recommend the Leopold FC660M with Clears. It has dedicated arrow keys, is plate mounted, etc. One problem for aftermarket caps is the stabiliser stems on the spacebar are not in the standard position, so you either have to find a set with universal / Leopold mounts or modify the spacebar by moving the mounts yourself. Also, the left middle modifier is 1x and the right Shift is 2.25x, same as the left.

If that sounds like too much of a hassle, then the Poker II with Clears is my next recommendation. Completely standard layout and programmable You can fit ANY Cherry MX compatible keycap set on it, except those specifically designed for weird layouts like the G80-1800. Also compatible with most 60% cases and other accessories.

Then get some nice Cherry profile keycaps for it, from the upcoming GMK HyperFuse Group Buy perhaps. GMK makes top quality doubleshot Cherry profile caps (they actually use Cherry's own molds that they bought from them).

P.S. - Are you using a palm rest? Is your chair high enough / desk low enough (so your upper arms are straight down, lower arms at about 90 degrees or lower)? The higher profile of a mechanical board requires a few changes to your desk / chair setup to get the best out of it. I honestly don't think key travel is the main issue here, and it's possible the HHBK isn't either. It makes a world of difference getting the arms / hands / fingers at the right height / angle. Most people have their desk too high, chair too low, keyboard at the wrong angle, not using a rest that keeps the palms / wrists high enough, etc.

[Novus]

Leopold 750R

[Sagii]

I would recommend the Leopold FC660M with Clears. It has dedicated arrow keys, is plate mounted, etc. One problem for aftermarket caps is the stabiliser stems on the spacebar are not in the standard position, so you either have to find a set with universal / Leopold mounts or modify the spacebar by moving the mounts yourself. Also, the left middle modifier is 1x and the right Shift is 2.25x, same as the left.

If that sounds like too much of a hassle, then the Poker II with Clears is my next recommendation. Completely standard layout and programmable You can fit ANY Cherry MX compatible keycap set on it, except those specifically designed for weird layouts like the G80-1800. Also compatible with most 60% cases and other accessories.

Then get some nice Cherry profile keycaps for it, from the upcoming GMK HyperFuse Group Buy perhaps. GMK makes top quality doubleshot Cherry profile caps (they actually use Cherry's own molds that they bought from them).

P.S. - Are you using a palm rest? Is your chair high enough / desk low enough (so your upper arms are straight down, lower arms at about 90 degrees or lower)? The higher profile of a mechanical board requires a few changes to your desk / chair setup to get the best out of it. I honestly don't think key travel is the main issue here, and it's possible the HHBK isn't either. It makes a world of difference getting the arms / hands / fingers at the right height / angle. Most people have their desk too high, chair too low, keyboard at the wrong angle, not using a rest that keeps the palms / wrists high enough, etc.

Sooo many options ) But hell, that's what I like! But yeah.. The three main options I'm considering (AS OF RIGHT NOW, it'll probably change, me knowing myself) are poker 2, CM QFR and the Leopold FC660M with clears. If I buy the Poker2/QFR I'll probably buy them in blacks (as Defect said), and mod them with clears, that way I can try quite a few different versions of the switches. The Poker 2 has never existed with clears, except from massdrop, right?

And I love how the hyperfuse set looks, but I also noticed the granite set on massdrop, which is also awesome. But when it comes to the profile, the cherry is low profile, and DSA (granite) is slightly higher, right? I also know there's a difference in the "tops" form as well ^^' I just like how the granite looks in terms of profile and how they are sculpted

EDIT: Forgot to comment on the ergonomics. But yeah, I believe you're right, my setup is by no stretch of the imagination optimal. But I've tried wristrests and changing my positions, height etc., and I haven't really felt any increase in comfort.

[bueller]

Lubed 62g MX Clears = bliss.

[Magna224]

You should take a break from it. Try MX, Alps, buckling springs, etc. Use those for like a year. Then come back to the HHKB. See if your opinion has changed.

This is not a bad idea. When I first stared getting keyboards my first were MX brown and MX Clear and Blue ALPS. The blue ALPS I loved straight away. The other two I didn't really like or find any interest in the switches so I sold them. After trying all of the common cherry switches, buckling springs, more ALPS, and topre I realized that the MX clears with the MX brown spring from the very beginning were the most suitable switches for my regular keyboard! What I didn't like to start turned up being what I liked the most after gaining all of the experience of other switches.

[Sent]

And I love how the hyperfuse set looks, but I also noticed the granite set on massdrop, which is also awesome. But when it comes to the profile, the cherry is low profile, and DSA (granite) is slightly higher, right? I also know there's a difference in the "tops" form as well ^^' I just like how the granite looks in terms of profile and how they are sculpted

Got it backwards.  Cherry is higher than DSA.  DSA's also uniform with all the caps at the same height.  With Cherry, most of the rows have a different profile so you get a contoured profile instead of a flat one. 

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Keycap_profile
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_DSA_family

[Sagii]

And I love how the hyperfuse set looks, but I also noticed the granite set on massdrop, which is also awesome. But when it comes to the profile, the cherry is low profile, and DSA (granite) is slightly higher, right? I also know there's a difference in the "tops" form as well ^^' I just like how the granite looks in terms of profile and how they are sculpted

Got it backwards.  Cherry is higher than DSA.  DSA's also uniform with all the caps at the same height.  With Cherry, most of the rows have a different profile so you get a contoured profile instead of a flat one. 

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Keycap_profile
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_DSA_family

Ahh, alright.. cheers, mate. I read about the online, but I obviously got it all mixed up. Good thing I asked )

[cheesedgrate]

I really, really, really love my HHKB but for some reason I wouldn't probably recommend it to anyone as their first mechanical keyboard. It is so understated and smooth that I feel like you really have to have used MX for some time to truly appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I still break out my Filco with Blues from time to time but I instantly fell in love with my HHKB when I got it around 5 months ago. It is such a pure and beautifully understated experience compared to Cherry MX, in my opinion.

I'd say that you shouldn't sell your HHKB. You might really regret it later. Get a reasonably priced Cherry MX keyboard and try it for a while and try the HHKB again after that. You might surprised about your reaction.

[Sagii]

I really, really, really love my HHKB but for some reason I wouldn't probably recommend it to anyone as their first mechanical keyboard. It is so understated and smooth that I feel like you really have to have used MX for some time to truly appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I still break out my Filco with Blues from time to time but I instantly fell in love with my HHKB when I got it around 5 months ago. It is such a pure and beautifully understated experience compared to Cherry MX, in my opinion.

I'd say that you shouldn't sell your HHKB. You might really regret it later. Get a reasonably priced Cherry MX keyboard and try it for a while and try the HHKB again after that. You might surprised about your reaction.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying here, but I'm no position of having the luxury to buy several boards at once ) I'm a fresh student at uni, mate!

Anywhoo, I believe I haven't mentioned this anywhere in this thread yet; the keycaps on the HHKB feels way too slippery.. there's no "grip" to it. I tried some ABS caps on a Razer BW, and they felt better in terms of that, even though they felt more plasticish and cheap.

[Sagii]

I really, really, really love my HHKB but for some reason I wouldn't probably recommend it to anyone as their first mechanical keyboard. It is so understated and smooth that I feel like you really have to have used MX for some time to truly appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I still break out my Filco with Blues from time to time but I instantly fell in love with my HHKB when I got it around 5 months ago. It is such a pure and beautifully understated experience compared to Cherry MX, in my opinion.

I'd say that you shouldn't sell your HHKB. You might really regret it later. Get a reasonably priced Cherry MX keyboard and try it for a while and try the HHKB again after that. You might surprised about your reaction.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying here, but I'm no position of having the luxury to buy several boards at once ) I'm a fresh student at uni, mate!

Anywhoo, I believe I haven't mentioned this anywhere in this thread yet; the keycaps on the HHKB feels way too slippery.. there's no "grip" to it. I tried some ABS caps on a Razer BW, and they felt better in terms of that, even though they felt more plasticish and cheap.

[Sagii]

I really, really, really love my HHKB but for some reason I wouldn't probably recommend it to anyone as their first mechanical keyboard. It is so understated and smooth that I feel like you really have to have used MX for some time to truly appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I still break out my Filco with Blues from time to time but I instantly fell in love with my HHKB when I got it around 5 months ago. It is such a pure and beautifully understated experience compared to Cherry MX, in my opinion.

I'd say that you shouldn't sell your HHKB. You might really regret it later. Get a reasonably priced Cherry MX keyboard and try it for a while and try the HHKB again after that. You might surprised about your reaction.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying here, but I'm no position of having the luxury to buy several boards at once ) I'm a fresh student at uni, mate!

Anywhoo, I believe I haven't mentioned this anywhere in this thread yet; the keycaps on the HHKB feels way too slippery.. there's no "grip" to it. I tried some ABS caps on a Razer BW, and they felt better in terms of that, even though they felt more plasticish and cheap.

[osi]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

what about the old cherry keyboards, or the thick pbt pokers? *cries*

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

tapatalk screwed up ;-( sorry!

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

tapatalk screwed up ;-( sorry!

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

tapatalk screwed up ;-( sorry!

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

tapatalk screwed up ;-( sorry!

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

tapatalk screwed up ;-( sorry!

[saturnotaku]

I also do not really like the layout. Well, I like it because it looks fantastic, because it is small and centered. But the layout is just not for me, even though I understand others really like it.

Kind of amazing that you just got into keyboards and went with the HHKB as your very first one.

I'm in the same boat. The concept and execution of the HHKB are intriguing, but a 60% layout simply does not jibe with my professional and gaming workflows. It's for this reason that I would recommend starting with a Poker II or similar keyboard if you're interested in making the switch to a smaller layout. Try it for a few weeks, then step up to the HHKB if you find the condensed form factor working for you.

The HHKB is not a good first mechanical keyboard choice unless you are unequivocally certain it's what you need/want.

[Sagii]

I also do not really like the layout. Well, I like it because it looks fantastic, because it is small and centered. But the layout is just not for me, even though I understand others really like it.

Kind of amazing that you just got into keyboards and went with the HHKB as your very first one.

I'm in the same boat. The concept and execution of the HHKB are intriguing, but a 60% layout simply does not jibe with my professional and gaming workflows. It's for this reason that I would recommend starting with a Poker II or similar keyboard if you're interested in making the switch to a smaller layout. Try it for a few weeks, then step up to the HHKB if you find the condensed form factor working for you.

The HHKB is not a good first mechanical keyboard choice unless you are unequivocally certain it's what you need/want.

Well, you jsut said it's not a good first mech.. I will however say it was (FOR ME!). After having tried the HHKB I've realised I love the 60% form factor, but that it MAY be too little every now and then. But what I've really taken from the HHKB is wether or not I like topre. I mean, I've now tried one of the switches that it seems like every keyboard enthusiast will try sooner or later, I just did it sooner, so that now I know. No need to wait. Starting with a HHKB is like starting with any other keyboard. No matter how you do it, you have to try everything yourself before you come with a definitive verdict. There's no difference starting with a poker vs. the HHKB, IF, and I repeat; IF, you know that you want to try out everything anyways.

I realise now that this comment ended up just being a rant that didn't make much sense.. Maybe I'll rewrite it later today, so that I actually get my point through properly ) Point is: I do not feel like the HHKB was a bad starting point for me, especially since I knew I would have to try topre sooner or later!

[pbtforever]

The PBT keys are great! 

[Defect]

I'm definitely considering doing that ^^ you still praise the ghost blacks and panda clears?

If you don't want to get custom springs, I think panda clears are the best stock-spring mod you can do with clear stems.

And worn-in-then-lubed Ghost Blacks are still my favorite linear.  I can see them being kind of heavy for gaming if you want to bottom out every keystroke.  I learned to hover/float so they are a great weight for me.  They're just so buttery smooth and the spring works perfectly for linear.

[Sagii]

I'm definitely considering doing that ^^ you still praise the ghost blacks and panda clears?

If you don't want to get custom springs, I think panda clears are the best stock-spring mod you can do with clear stems.

And worn-in-then-lubed Ghost Blacks are still my favorite linear.  I can see them being kind of heavy for gaming if you want to bottom out every keystroke.  I learned to hover/float so they are a great weight for me.  They're just so buttery smooth and the spring works perfectly for linear.

Well, I'm considering the 62g ergo clears everyone is talking about ^^' but getting stock clears aint the easiest when I preferably want a 60%. Closest I can get RIGHT NOW is the FC660M, but not sure I want that (I'd really like a Pn layer like the poker 2). Maybe I'll wait for a new massdrop sale.

[Hypersphere]

I don't find the keycaps on my HHKB Pro 2 slippery. They are as dry as bleached bones in the desert. However, they are smoother than some dye-sub PBT caps I've used. For example, the stock PBT caps on the original white KeyCool84 feel like pumice stones. Textured or not, I prefer the dry feel of PBT to the clammy feel of ABS.

If you like 60% and don't like the HHKB, you could try the Poker II. I put some thick dye-sub PBT caps from geek_feng on mine. They have more texture than the HHKB caps, but not as much as the ones on the KC84. You can get these caps now from IMSTO.

[Sagii]

I don't find the keycaps on my HHKB Pro 2 slippery. They are as dry as bleached bones in the desert. However, they are smoother than some dye-sub PBT caps I've used. For example, the stock PBT caps on the original white KeyCool84 feel like pumice stones. Textured or not, I prefer the dry feel of PBT to the clammy feel of ABS.

If you like 60% and don't like the HHKB, you could try the Poker II. I put some thick dye-sub PBT caps from geek_feng on mine. They have more texture than the HHKB caps, but not as much as the ones on the KC84. You can get these caps now from IMSTO.

Actually, you explained that perfectly! It's not that the PBT doesn't have the texture 'n all that, it's just that my finger just slide off easily. The "clammy" feel of the ABS keeps ,y fingers on there. A clammy feel is a lot better of an adjective to explain what I feel ^^' the PBT is as dry as you said yes, but my finger slide around like crazy )

[rowdy]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

tapatalk screwed up ;-( sorry!

Six posts in a row!

I think that's a new record

[Sagii]

Okey, I thought I'd just post a comment here, instead of starting a new thread ^^' I was just wondering if you got any places to buy DSA profile keycaps? I've found only pimpmykeyboard so far, which only sell blanks, while I'd like printed. There's ofc the granite set and other GBs though, but other than that?

[daerid]

As far as I am concerned, the HHKB is the best sounding keyboard I've ever used.

However, I can't stand the layout. The backslash and delete swap is a complete deal breaker.

Such a shame. If I could get a RealForce that felt and sounded like the HHKB, I'd be in heaven.

[rowdy]

Okey, I thought I'd just post a comment here, instead of starting a new thread ^^' I was just wondering if you got any places to buy DSA profile keycaps? I've found only pimpmykeyboard so far, which only sell blanks, while I'd like printed. There's ofc the granite set and other GBs though, but other than that?

AFAIK you cannot get DSA profile keycaps for HHKB, or for any Topre board with the likely exception of the Novatouch.  You could replace (most?) of the Topre sliders in an HHKB with Matt's MX-compatible stems.

[jacobolus]

Okey, I thought I'd just post a comment here, instead of starting a new thread ^^' I was just wondering if you got any places to buy DSA profile keycaps? I've found only pimpmykeyboard so far, which only sell blanks, while I'd like printed. There's ofc the granite set and other GBs though, but other than that?

You can email Signature Plastics directly. For a one-off custom-legend dyesub set, it costs something like $200.

[Sagii]

Okey, I thought I'd just post a comment here, instead of starting a new thread ^^' I was just wondering if you got any places to buy DSA profile keycaps? I've found only pimpmykeyboard so far, which only sell blanks, while I'd like printed. There's ofc the granite set and other GBs though, but other than that?

AFAIK you cannot get DSA profile keycaps for HHKB, or for any Topre board with the likely exception of the Novatouch.  You could replace (most?) of the Topre sliders in an HHKB with Matt's MX-compatible stems.

Oops, shoulda specified ) I'm thinking of MX, mate

[demik]

I absolutely love the hhkb, as my title states, but its my least favorite topre switch. Maybe because its case mounted and not plate but RF has the best feeling switches. If i could get the RF55g feel in my hhkb id be in keyboard heaven. But, i love my board so much i put up with it. Not that they are bad, but it could be smoother.

[Sagii]

I absolutely love the hhkb, as my title states, but its my least favorite topre switch. Maybe because its case mounted and not plate but RF has the best feeling switches. If i could get the RF55g feel in my hhkb id be in keyboard heaven. But, i love my board so much i put up with it. Not that they are bad, but it could be smoother.

I love the layout, but the typing experience bothers me :/

[Kmynis]

Viper or GON, dude. I regret not jumping in the viper gb  , hopefully I'll find one in the classifields.

[Oobly]

Okey, I thought I'd just post a comment here, instead of starting a new thread ^^' I was just wondering if you got any places to buy DSA profile keycaps? I've found only pimpmykeyboard so far, which only sell blanks, while I'd like printed. There's ofc the granite set and other GBs though, but other than that?

AFAIK, DSA is a Signature Plastics only profile. They only produce large orders (such as Group Buys or large orders from companies) in that profile, except for the blank sets they sell. So if you want legends, the Group Buy sets are your only option. There've been some great ones made, though, so you have some range of choice if you can find them in the Classifieds section or active or upcoming Group Buys.

This GB is ending soon, DSA profile and quite nice colorway:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61402.0
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/royal-apollo-gt-10-base-set/

Order now if you want it!

[Sagii]

Okey, I thought I'd just post a comment here, instead of starting a new thread ^^' I was just wondering if you got any places to buy DSA profile keycaps? I've found only pimpmykeyboard so far, which only sell blanks, while I'd like printed. There's ofc the granite set and other GBs though, but other than that?

AFAIK, DSA is a Signature Plastics only profile. They only produce large orders (such as Group Buys or large orders from companies) in that profile, except for the blank sets they sell. So if you want legends, the Group Buy sets are your only option. There've been some great ones made, though, so you have some range of choice if you can find them in the Classifieds section or active or upcoming Group Buys.

This GB is ending soon, DSA profile and quite nice colorway:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61402.0
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/royal-apollo-gt-10-base-set/

Order now if you want it!

Ahhhh, tnaks, that make things clearer! No wonder I couldn't find any other DSA caps than from Signature Plastics, lol
Well, the Apollo isn't really to my liking, unfortunately. I really like the granite set though, so I might end up waiting for round 2 Are there any other keycap profiles that are low profile (I know DSA is in reality medium, but whatever), you would recommend?

Viper or GON, dude. I regret not jumping in the viper gb  , hopefully I'll find one in the classifields.

Too much money for me to put into a single board :c

[Novus]

Too much money for me to put into a single board :c

GTFO
 
 )
 

 




 
 
 
 

[HolidaySHRIMP]

As someone who sold a HHKB I wish I hadn't over a year later. I miss my SSK too. Glad I sold my rf87u though. KMAC still love.

[Elrick]

Too much money for me to put into a single board :c

GTFO
 
 )
 

 




 
 
 
 

Classic response there ^^^^

You've got to be careful when frequenting Geekhack because seeing all this keyboard eye-candy will do nasty things to you.  Definitely not a place for weaklings or fainters  .

[Sagii]

Too much money for me to put into a single board :c

GTFO
 
 )
 

 




 
 
 
 

Classic response there ^^^^

You've got to be careful when frequenting Geekhack because seeing all this keyboard eye-candy will do nasty things to you.  Definitely not a place for weaklings or fainters  .

Dude.. my first mech was an HHKB Pro 2, 'cause of all the eyecandy here. Come at me bro!


EDIT: Too much money to spend RIGHT NOW )

[Novus]

Not Type-S
GTFO

do you even vim?

[Sagii]

Not Type-S
GTFO

do you even vim?

Yes.. yes, I do

[Oobly]

Not Type-S
GTFO

do you even vim?

So you found a keyboard you like. I'm happy for you. Now please stop trolling (just because you like that board doesn't mean others have to). Thank you.

[Sagii]

Not Type-S
GTFO

do you even vim?

So you found a keyboard you like. I'm happy for you. Now please stop trolling (just because you like that board doesn't mean others have to). Thank you.

Id have to second that... it gets tiresome in the long run, mate

[Hypersphere]

You might want to try a switch-type and board that are completely different from a Topre and HHKB Pro 2.

In my own case, I avoided trying the HHKB Pro 2 for a long time while trying almost every other type of switch, form factor, and layout.

After sampling boards with various switches, including Cherry mx of all kinds, Matias tactile and silent, Alps of various sorts, black and white Hi-Tek space invaders, capacitive and membrane buckling springs, and Topre of different weights, I finally settled on a short list of boards that I really like:

-- IBM XT (capacitive buckling springs)
-- IBM Model M SSK (membrane buckling springs)
-- RF 87u (55g Topre)
-- HHKB Pro 2 (45 g Topre)

The Topre boards are very different from the buckling spring boards, but I like both varieties for different reasons. I use one of these for a few days or a few weeks and then rotate to one of the others for a while.

It is still possible to find an XT for a reasonable price on eBay, but you will then need to get a Hagstsrom converter or install a Teensy (or equivalent) and Soarer's Converter to use it with a modern computer. I refurbished one, including sanding and repainting the interior plates, installing a Teensy and Soarer's Converter, and installing a case-mounted USB connector for a detachable cable. It was well worth the effort.

[Sagii]

You might want to try a switch-type and board that are completely different from a Topre and HHKB Pro 2.

In my own case, I avoided trying the HHKB Pro 2 for a long time while trying almost every other type of switch, form factor, and layout.

After sampling boards with various switches, including Cherry mx of all kinds, Matias tactile and silent, Alps of various sorts, black and white Hi-Tek space invaders, capacitive and membrane buckling springs, and Topre of different weights, I finally settled on a short list of boards that I really like:

-- IBM XT (capacitive buckling springs)
-- IBM Model M SSK (membrane buckling springs)
-- RF 87u (55g Topre)
-- HHKB Pro 2 (45 g Topre)

The Topre boards are very different from the buckling spring boards, but I like both varieties for different reasons. I use one of these for a few days or a few weeks and then rotate to one of the others for a while.

It is still possible to find an XT for a reasonable price on eBay, but you will then need to get a Hagstsrom converter or install a Teensy (or equivalent) and Soarer's Converter to use it with a modern computer. I refurbished one, including sanding and repainting the interior plates, installing a Teensy and Soarer's Converter, and installing a case-mounted USB connector for a detachable cable. It was well worth the effort.

Yeah, I'm planning to buy a Poker maybe.. I wanted the newest Ducky Mini, 'till I realised they've removed the Pn layer >.> now I'm just waiting for a poker 2 with clears to show up in the classifieds

[Elrick]

Not Type-S
GTFO

do you even vim?

So you found a keyboard you like. I'm happy for you. Now please stop trolling (just because you like that board doesn't mean others have to). Thank you.

Id have to second that... it gets tiresome in the long run, mate

Yep I knew you youngsters didn't have the stamina to FIGHT for your Keyboard's Place - in the Cosmos  .

[Sagii]

Does anyone know how many requests that are needed for a drop on Massdrop to come back? ^^' I'd reaaaaaaally like a poker 2 with mx clears !

[Novus]

Not Type-S
GTFO

do you even vim?

So you found a keyboard you like. I'm happy for you. Now please stop trolling (just because you like that board doesn't mean others have to). Thank you.

Id have to second that... it gets tiresome in the long run, mate

Yep I knew you youngsters didn't have the stamina to FIGHT for your Keyboard's Place - in the Cosmos  .

Well I get where Oobly is coming from and I can respect that. OP on the other hand you don't get to say "it's annoying in the long run" when your entire post is just you joking about being a poor indecisive whimsical student on a budget and flip flopping.

[Oobly]

Does anyone know how many requests that are needed for a drop on Massdrop to come back? ^^' I'd reaaaaaaally like a poker 2 with mx clears !

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kbc-poker-2-clear?mode=guest_open

I think they're running one right now, actually. Not as cheap as the previous round I think, but still worth it for a Poker II with Clears. Customs may raise the final price, though.

If that doesn't work out I could mod one to Clears for you when I find some extra project time.

[saturnotaku]

Well I get where Oobly is coming from and I can respect that.

Would it be wishful thinking to believe that you'll start respecting other threads in a similar manner?

[Sagii]

Not Type-S
GTFO

do you even vim?

So you found a keyboard you like. I'm happy for you. Now please stop trolling (just because you like that board doesn't mean others have to). Thank you.

Id have to second that... it gets tiresome in the long run, mate

Yep I knew you youngsters didn't have the stamina to FIGHT for your Keyboard's Place - in the Cosmos  .

Well I get where Oobly is coming from and I can respect that. OP on the other hand you don't get to say "it's annoying in the long run" when your entire post is just you joking about being a poor indecisive whimsical student on a budget and flip flopping.

Sorry, but I see absolutely no disrespectful nor non-appropriate behaviour regarding my statement or what I've said in any of my comments/threads. Me being a not very rich student is first of all a fact, and second of all something I like to joke about, especially since I'd like to try every single board that's out there. I'm sorry if that's such an annoyance to you. This is also not the first time you've come bursting into a thread with a very non constructive and non related comment, where you've contributed nothing to a thread, and therefore, yes, I said it gets annoying in the long run.

That's all I got to say.

Does anyone know how many requests that are needed for a drop on Massdrop to come back? ^^' I'd reaaaaaaally like a poker 2 with mx clears !

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kbc-poker-2-clear?mode=guest_open

I think they're running one right now, actually. Not as cheap as the previous round I think, but still worth it for a Poker II with Clears. Customs may raise the final price, though.

If that doesn't work out I could mod one to Clears for you when I find some extra project time.

O wat! Thanks for the link, and thanks for the very kind offer but as of right now getting something with stock clears without having to buy them separate is kinda what I want. Unfortubately that "something" is nothing else but a Poker 2 at this point in time ) knowing me, that'll probably change in a heartbeat, though )

EDIT: It'll end up at about 190-200$ for shipping and customs.. it's EXTREMELY tempting. There's only 400 units available as well. Maaaan, this is killing me. And not just that, it went online just a couple hours ago, it's like it's fate. But I haven't even sold my HHKB yet O_o

[paicrai]

yeah totally dude mx blues rock

[Sempre]

O wat! Thanks for the link, and thanks for the very kind offer but as of right now getting something with stock clears without having to buy them separate is kinda what I want. Unfortubately that "something" is nothing else but a Poker 2 at this point in time ) knowing me, that'll probably change in a heartbeat, though )

EDIT: It'll end up at about 190-200$ for shipping and customs.. it's EXTREMELY tempting. There's only 400 units available as well. Maaaan, this is killing me. And not just that, it went online just a couple hours ago, it's like it's fate. But I haven't even sold my HHKB yet O_o

I committed as soon as i got the email from MD. I've been waiting for this. It cost me $130, but im using a forwarding service so that will set me another $40.

I really hope I like clears. Because if I don't I may jump to the Topre side. Probably Novatouch.

[Hypersphere]

O wat! Thanks for the link, and thanks for the very kind offer but as of right now getting something with stock clears without having to buy them separate is kinda what I want. Unfortubately that "something" is nothing else but a Poker 2 at this point in time ) knowing me, that'll probably change in a heartbeat, though )

EDIT: It'll end up at about 190-200$ for shipping and customs.. it's EXTREMELY tempting. There's only 400 units available as well. Maaaan, this is killing me. And not just that, it went online just a couple hours ago, it's like it's fate. But I haven't even sold my HHKB yet O_o

I committed as soon as i got the email from MD. I've been waiting for this. It cost me $130, but im using a forwarding service so that will set me another $40.

I really hope I like clears. Because if I don't I may jump to the Topre side. Probably Novatouch.

I'm typing on a Novatouch right now. This is my third day with the new CM keyboard. At first I didn't like it much. It still doesn't sound or feel like a Topre board to me, but its appeal is increasing. It is nice to be able to put Cherry keycaps on it, and I like it better than any Cherry mx board I have tried.

Only one annoyance remains for me with the Novatouch, which is that the Fn key is hardwired and doesn't respond to remapping software. However, I have managed to remap the Right Control as Fn to put the Fn key where I want it. The downside is that the original Fn key is now a dead key. It would also be nice if the Novatouch had DIP switches, an embedded Num Pad, and LEDs for CapsLock and NumLock (all of which exist on my RF 87u), but I can live without these features.

Therefore, yes, if it turns out you don't like Cherry mx clears, you might take a look at the Novatouch, but if you have the opportunity to do so, it would be good to try out a Realforce or HHKB to get a sense of what Topre switches are like in some other keyboards.

[paicrai]

once this baby hits the hunger games, alonz-y

[Sempre]

More

I'm typing on a Novatouch right now. This is my third day with the new CM keyboard. At first I didn't like it much. It still doesn't sound or feel like a Topre board to me, but its appeal is increasing. It is nice to be able to put Cherry keycaps on it, and I like it better than any Cherry mx board I have tried.

Only one annoyance remains for me with the Novatouch, which is that the Fn key is hardwired and doesn't respond to remapping software. However, I have managed to remap the Right Control as Fn to put the Fn key where I want it. The downside is that the original Fn key is now a dead key. It would also be nice if the Novatouch had DIP switches, an embedded Num Pad, and LEDs for CapsLock and NumLock (all of which exist on my RF 87u), but I can live without these features.

Therefore, yes, if it turns out you don't like Cherry mx clears, you might take a look at the Novatouch, but if you have the opportunity to do so, it would be good to try out a Realforce or HHKB to get a sense of what Topre switches are like in some other keyboards.

Thanks for taking the time to write this.

Unfortunately there's no place close to me that has Topre boards. So my only chance of trying one (like an RF 87u) is paying $215 plus shipping.

The lack of key mapping and dip switches is indeed a downside to the Novatouch. But it's not a big deal for me since it's a TKL and i could use AHK to switch caps-lock and left control. I do however care more about the feeling of the switch.

I've read that the Poker w/clears won't ship until October. Lets see if CM releases the Novatouch before that I doubt it

[Novus]

Sorry, but I see absolutely no disrespectful nor non-appropriate behaviour regarding my statement or what I've said in any of my comments/threads. Me being a not very rich student is first of all a fact, and second of all something I like to joke about, especially since I'd like to try every single board that's out there. I'm sorry if that's such an annoyance to you. This is also not the first time you've come bursting into a thread with a very non constructive and non related comment, where you've contributed nothing to a thread, and therefore, yes, I said it gets annoying in the long run.

That's all I got to say.

Yada yada sob sob sob I'm a poor student. It's a fact, not an opinion! Well ****.
Yada Yada Yada I have a budget. Well **** again.
Oh my gosh mommie look at this candy? Do you think I should buy it?
What's that? You heard it's good? Okay I'll buy it!
Nope I changed my mind, I don't want this candy after all.
Yada yada Oh my gosh! I want to learn much and I want try every single board! Well Holy ****!
Great do you have any other hopes and aspirations you want to share?
Oh go on ahead and ignore all the other threads and make a new thread about it.

This isn't the first time I've come bursting into a thread with nonconstructive things?
This isn't the first time you've made a stupid, thoughtless thread either.
So you think it's fine to make a whimsical thread like this one but I can't recommend you something to you on a whim?
You have some amazing double standards.
If you want a constructive response then make a thread which deserves one.
Stop making threads based on your whims or at least do it in another section.

Well I get where Oobly is coming from and I can respect that.

Would it be wishful thinking to believe that you'll start respecting other threads in a similar manner?

Well it certainly doesn't help if you keep that condescending attitude up.
Would it be wishful thinking to believe that you'll stop being a passive aggressive **** OR are you one of those people in those suburban neighborhood association that likes to stir up things and go through other people's ****?

Sorry back to your question, that depends.

Are we going to be graced with a trilogy from yours truly "Why do I miss the HHKB?"
OR maybe we can expect one of these lovely feature threads:
12 episode monthly series "I'm as fickle as the month. oh my gosh the leaves changed color now so must i!"
Learning channel series "Why do some people own more than one keyboard? What really goes on behind closed door... We investigate tonight!"
Court room drama "I'm behind in alimony. Why do I feel so guilty about owning so many keyboards, your honor?"
Reality television "Why do I own 5 poker II's? Well **** you tell me -well **** you bought them! Well **** I dunno... (confessional scene) why are you being so mean wahhhhh"
Esports documentary "Find out what switch it takes to become the world's greatest player"

But you know what.
Nevermind that you were even joking around with me before this ... just a few posts above
Nevermind that you started this silly thread.
Nope **** that, it's all your fault!
**** you guys.
I get that my **** can be annoying and I tried to make amends and threw you a bone (it's wasn't a big one I give you that but it was enough to deescalate things and get you back on track), instead you guys just keep on piling this on.
Don't think your own **** doesn't stink.

[paicrai]

slay

[Sagii]

Seems like people are reaaaally wanting that poker ) almost 200 sold in a few hours O.o

[saturnotaku]

Would it be wishful thinking to believe that you'll stop being a passive aggressive ****

Hmm..

But you know what.
Nevermind that you were even joking around with me before this ... just a few posts above
Nevermind that you started this silly thread.
Nope **** that, it's all your fault!
**** you guys.
I get that my **** can be annoying and I tried to make amends and threw you a bone (it's wasn't a big one I give you that but it was enough to deescalate things and get you back on track), instead you guys just keep on piling this on.
Don't think your own **** doesn't stink.

[Sagii]

Aw heeeeel yeah baby! I just bought myself a Poker 2 with MX clears and white backlighting. Well, put in a order at least. Damn, I'm excited. Ended up at 190$ (with what I have to pay to customs etc.), so it got kinda expensive, but oh well.

Only downside is it won't ship 'till earliest 30th of October, which means it won't be here 'till mid November. That kinda sucks )

EDIT: Is it worth it for 190$? I'm asking you experienced folks, taking into account how much a used modded poker 2 would go for in the classifieds etc.

[saturnotaku]

EDIT: Is it worth it for 190$? I'm asking you experienced folks, taking into account how much a used modded poker 2 would go for in the classifieds etc.

If you're OK with a 60% board, I would say yes. In my case, had I been able to adjust to the compacted layout, I would have absolutely kept my Poker II and modded the heck out of it (custom case, etc). The next big thing will be the switches. Given the lighter feel of the HHKB, MX clears will require some time to get used to.

[Sagii]

EDIT: Is it worth it for 190$? I'm asking you experienced folks, taking into account how much a used modded poker 2 would go for in the classifieds etc.

If you're OK with a 60% board, I would say yes. In my case, had I been able to adjust to the compacted layout, I would have absolutely kept my Poker II and modded the heck out of it (custom case, etc). The next big thing will be the switches. Given the lighter feel of the HHKB, MX clears will require some time to get used to.

Yeah, I'm pretty prepared (hear me saying that now.. It'll be fun to see what I say in three months time) for heavier switches. I'm also quite prepared to mod them to ergo clears though. I'm pretty sure just stock clears won't be my favourite switch. But taken into account that springs cost next to nothing, and I already have soldering equipment, so I'm not really too worried.

And btw, I do realise wether it's worth it or not is a personal opinion, but I was mainly thinking if there is any other (read: cheaper) way of obtaining a poker 2 with clears. And I love the 60% btw, there were only a few minor things that bugged me about the HHKB, which, with a poker 2, I'll be able to easily fix with a Pn layer ^^


EDIT: I've read a little bit about LEDs and installing them into a poker 2. is there really no wizardry going on? All I need to buy is normal LEDs, and solder them straight onto the PCB? O.o 'cause if so.. then there's no reason for me to buy a Poker 2 with already white LEDs )