Basic Assembly: $35 per phantom
Spring or Stem Swap & Assembly: $40 per phantom
Lubed Switches & Assembly: $65 per phantom
Desoldering of PLU-87 switches: $5 per PLU-87
Modifying of PLU-87 case to fit a PROF layout or numpad layout: $10 per PLU-87
Cherry Stabilizer Mod: $0 (free) per phantom
Spacebar and/or Esc Spring Swap: $0 (free) per phantomCode: [Select]$0.00 - Black Spring
$0.00 - Clear Spring
Cases: price per keyboard model belowCode: [Select]$80.00 - Black PLU-87 with Black Cherry MX Switches
$80.00 - Black PLU-87 with Blue Cherry MX Switches
$80.00 - Black PLU-87 with Brown Cherry MX Switches
$80.00 - Black PLU-87 with Red Cherry MX Switches
$80.00 - White PLU-87 with Black Cherry MX Switches
$80.00 - White PLU-87 with Blue Cherry MX Switches
$80.00 - White PLU-87 with Brown Cherry MX Switches
$80.00 - White PLU-87 with Red Cherry MX Switches
$85.00 - Pink PLU-87 with Black Cherry MX Switches
$85.00 - Pink PLU-87 with Blue Cherry MX Switches
$85.00 - Pink PLU-87 with Brown Cherry MX Switches
$85.00 - Pink PLU-87 with Red Cherry MX Switches
Cherry MX Plate Mount Switches: price per switch belowCode: [Select]
$0.60 - MXBLACK (MX1A-11NN) - BACKORDERED
$0.60 - MXBLUE (MX1A-E1NN)
$0.60 - MXBROWN (MX1A-G1NN)
$0.60 - MXRED (MX1A-L1NN)
$0.60 - MXCLEAR (MX1A-C1NN) - BACKORDERED
$0.85 - MXGREEN (MX1A-F1NN)
$0.65 - MXWHITE (MX1A-A1NN) - BACKORDERED
$0.85 - MXGREY (MX1A-D1NN)
$0.85 - MXDARKGREY (MX1A-21NN)
$4.25 - MXLOCK (MX1A-31NN) - BACKORDERED
LED and Resistor Swap Kit: available colors below (2 leds and 2 resistors included)Code: [Select]$2.00 - Blue
$2.00 - Green
$2.00 - Orange
$2.00 - Red
$2.00 - Yellow
Plate Mount Stabilizers: available styles below (will outfit a standard TKL keyboard, 1-6.25x or 7x stabilizer and 4-2x stabilizers)Code: [Select]$8.00 - Cherry 6.25x
$8.00 - Cherry 7x
$8.00 - Costar 6.25x
Payment: Invoices will be sent out to your paypal email once the GB closes. You will have 1 week to pay the invoice
Shipping: Shipping will be quoted and invoiced once your order is completed, packaged, and ready to ship because of the infinitely different amount of items that can be ordered. You items WILL NOT SHIP until you pay the invoice for the shipping.
Phantom Plate can swap out switches right?
You mean it doesn't actuate?More a problem with the keys staying attached to the stems. Like I said, I might of just had bad luck. Only used two boards with two different spacebars (both leopold) that had cherry stabilizers.
Will there be an option for costar vs cherry stabilizers or are you only doing cherry? Maybe I just have bad luck, or I only hit the spacebar with one hand, but every time I have a board with cherry stabilizers the spacebar doesn't stay down.Im confused with statement greatly sorry
Prof, do you need the plate files? You can get them here: http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/phantom-custom-keyboard-group-buy-closed-t1411-180.htmlI have them i got them from bpiphany but the older original ones arnt opening up properly for me might be a scaling issue or possibly version incompatibility or something because the newer ones that I got done work fine.
2nd post on that page, by litster.
Will there be an option for costar vs cherry stabilizers or are you only doing cherry? Maybe I just have bad luck, or I only hit the spacebar with one hand, but every time I have a board with cherry stabilizers the spacebar doesn't stay down.Im confused with statement greatly sorry
I can make coastar as an option for 6.25x space only right now. O and im still looking for someone who can bend the 6.25 and 7x cherry spacebar wiresWill there be an option for costar vs cherry stabilizers or are you only doing cherry? Maybe I just have bad luck, or I only hit the spacebar with one hand, but every time I have a board with cherry stabilizers the spacebar doesn't stay down.Im confused with statement greatly sorry
He just wants costar stabilizers as an option.
I ordered two PCB's, I wouldn't mind having you put one of them together.sounds good please let bavman know
Updated to be able to be parts only also. Assembly will just be a check box on the form once its up.
I would really like to use your services for this but how does the communication go? Do I just tell Bavman to send the PCB to you instead of to myself? He has your address and everything?yes let bavman know if youve already order pcbs otherwise there should now be a option in the form to have it sent directly to me.
no problemUpdated to be able to be parts only also. Assembly will just be a check box on the form once its up.
Thank you sir!
Can firmware be changed? I would have no idea what i want....yes you can make they keyboard do basically what ever you want.
Wod you say it is difficult?I dont know yet havnt had to do it but hopefully a tutorial will be posted eventually showing how to do it.
Posted by the man above your post, himself;)umm what?
Just to clarify, you can provide all the parts except for the case, right?there will be some of of case option also though not anything custom.
Lister had a nice case, was that custom?yes he did and yes it was custom he designed it. Problem is someone bought one and sent it to mkc and he coppied it so lister is not making any more.
I'm assuming we would have to provide springs if we wanted something like ergo-clears or clears with gold springs?yes was just going to write something up about that. If you want ergo clears you can buy clears and red/brown/blues or if you want to use Custom Korean springs you can provide them. Also we will sticker your switches when lubing them but can not provide switch sticker at this time sorry.
I've never typed on lubed switches, is there really that much of a difference or is it just to help if there is an issue with the sticking at activation point (like some ergo clears have for example)?yes there is a big diference when you lube enough and in the correct places. I for one have never had that problem with ergo clears, yes that may come up just a tad slower than a normal clear but ive never had them stick but i assume it would if yo ufor some reason had that problem.
Is the case for the PLU-87 actually available to buy separately or is the plan to buy the keyboard and harvest the case?no not separately, it will be harvested for the case and switches and by doing that pays for it self in the end.
What weight springs do clears use?sorries, whish i knew of hand...
What weight springs do clears use?sorries, whish i knew of hand...
Prof,
How much experience do you have?
Are you guaranteeing your work? I'm just curious because I'm planning on sending you two of my PCB's for full assembly.
Prof,
How much experience do you have?
Are you guaranteeing your work? I'm just curious because I'm planning on sending you two of my PCB's for full assembly.
Can I order switches dirrectly through you or do I have to supply my own? Is every cherry switch created equal? for instance are the switches on crapy chineese boards the exact same on a Filco?
Same question for Plates, cases, stabalizers, usb cables, can I get everything from you?
Thanks Prof
Prof,
How much experience do you have?
Are you guaranteeing your work? I'm just curious because I'm planning on sending you two of my PCB's for full assembly.
Personally I wouldn't let him near any of my PCBs. (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37065.0)
Nooby here!yes you can order all of the parts separately and assemble your keyboard your self.
Im looking to build my own phantom.
Im not looking for assembly or anything like that but i cant seem to find anywhere that will be selling mounting plates.
Im a bit confused by the OP, will mounting plates be offered in a separate GB? Is it possible to just purchase a mounting plate, and maybe switches (seems like good prices for them) aswell through this?
Again, not looking for assembly services, just parts.
This will be my first build, and look forward to it being a fun project for myself. Im thinking of using the toxic set for it aswell.
Thanks alot, please tell me if im wrong or confused by something. :)
Hey Prof, I want to wait for whatever casing is currently being designed (boost, I saw some other threads working on it too). Can you assemble it and then hold onto it until I find a case?sure that can be done
-snip-yes you can order all of the parts separately and assemble your keyboard your self.
Is it possible to mod mx clears to ergo clears? and how much extra would that be?yes it is you would have to get the stem/spring swap service and then either provide spring or buy switches that have your required springs.
Well, thanks for letting us all know what you personally would or would not do. I'm sure we were all wondering.
And thank you as well for cluttering up this established member's thread with your comment.
Thanks for the props, though next time maybe make it a wee bit more obvious because sadly sarcasm does not have it own font :(Well, thanks for letting us all know what you personally would or would not do. I'm sure we were all wondering.
And thank you as well for cluttering up this established member's thread with your comment.
Pointing to the fantastic job he did on that KMAC doesn't back up my link text if interpreted literally. Seems to me you're a wee bit trigger happy.
Can you post a picture of the case?I dont have any but I did find a review on DT http://tinyurl.com/c5b9w6o
Thanks. Phantom is defaulting to white LEDs correct? Also, is it okay to have my PCB from the BG shipped to you?yes it is but we can swap the led and the proper matching resistor for you. yes that is actually what i ask you to do when filling out the form in the PCB GB thread.
Couple of questions. I am probably going to get clear switches, can I still pay to have you desolder blue switches from the plu87 board and have you send those back with the finished board? I've never tried clears before so I'm not sure if I'll keep those or replace the springs later to make ergo clears.I can desolder the blues for you and if you went for the Stem/spring swap + assembly service I could make those into ergo clears right away for you
Second, does the plu87 board come with cherry or costar stabilizer?
Edit: just saw the note in the op that said extra plu87 parts get shipped back , so disregard the first question lol
Thanks for the props, though next time maybe make it a wee bit more obvious because sadly sarcasm does not have it own font :(Well, thanks for letting us all know what you personally would or would not do. I'm sure we were all wondering.
And thank you as well for cluttering up this established member's thread with your comment.
Pointing to the fantastic job he did on that KMAC doesn't back up my link text if interpreted literally. Seems to me you're a wee bit trigger happy.
yea what a mess. did you get a new one yet?Thanks for the props, though next time maybe make it a wee bit more obvious because sadly sarcasm does not have it own font :(Well, thanks for letting us all know what you personally would or would not do. I'm sure we were all wondering.
And thank you as well for cluttering up this established member's thread with your comment.
Pointing to the fantastic job he did on that KMAC doesn't back up my link text if interpreted literally. Seems to me you're a wee bit trigger happy.
Just wanted to say, us Canadians tend to use sarcasm in text format quite often. Universally it fails quite often, but we get it up in this heartless frozen north :D
I'm just glad you didn't get my KMAC LE to build....that plate...ugh.
yea what a mess. did you get a new one yet?Thanks for the props, though next time maybe make it a wee bit more obvious because sadly sarcasm does not have it own font :(Well, thanks for letting us all know what you personally would or would not do. I'm sure we were all wondering.
And thank you as well for cluttering up this established member's thread with your comment.
Pointing to the fantastic job he did on that KMAC doesn't back up my link text if interpreted literally. Seems to me you're a wee bit trigger happy.
Just wanted to say, us Canadians tend to use sarcasm in text format quite often. Universally it fails quite often, but we get it up in this heartless frozen north :D
I'm just glad you didn't get my KMAC LE to build....that plate...ugh.
Halverson, how did you get your hands on a kmac?!
I can give you the mouser number if you need it for the SMD diodes.yea what a mess. did you get a new one yet?Thanks for the props, though next time maybe make it a wee bit more obvious because sadly sarcasm does not have it own font :(Well, thanks for letting us all know what you personally would or would not do. I'm sure we were all wondering.
And thank you as well for cluttering up this established member's thread with your comment.
Pointing to the fantastic job he did on that KMAC doesn't back up my link text if interpreted literally. Seems to me you're a wee bit trigger happy.
Just wanted to say, us Canadians tend to use sarcasm in text format quite often. Universally it fails quite often, but we get it up in this heartless frozen north :D
I'm just glad you didn't get my KMAC LE to build....that plate...ugh.
One is in the works, just have to wait to get it here in Canada. Which will take awhile for shipping this time of year. In the meantime, I'm really considering getting SMD diodes instead of thru-hole...although I did mod all those switches already.....
^Yea lemme know what it is, I'll write it down if I decide to order them.here ye go http://tinyurl.com/ctc6fjw
^Yea lemme know what it is, I'll write it down if I decide to order them.here ye go http://tinyurl.com/ctc6fjw
Will plu-87 work with 7-bit layout?Yes I will have to modify the PLU case ill add that to the op.
How do you sign up actually?there will be a form as soon as i have acquired pricing for everything.
I'm in. I have some vintage blacks that I would like to go into this. I would like to pair them with 55g Korean Springs (once I can find those). I'd also like them lubed. What lube will you guys be using?sounds fine with me just remember to select the corrent service when you fill out the form.
Interested in some Clear switches, will you ship to Australia?yes this GB is international.
sounds fine with me just remember to select the corrent service when you fill out the form.
no form url yet as im still missing pricing on some items.sounds fine with me just remember to select the corrent service when you fill out the form.
Am I losing my mind, or is there no form URL in this thread?
- Ron | samwisekoi
what diffrence does lube make to the switches??makes them buttery smooth in my experience
looks like you can also get other color cased PLU's from taobaoill look into those. Im already looking into the pink ones as well
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.80.CWdJTq&scm=1007.152.0.0&id=10039960685&pvid=ff229498-7608-4196-9719-459726091f29&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id=
If i want to buy switches and stabilizer do I just post it or via pm ? btw a 87 keys keyboard need how many set of stabilizer?there will be a form up once I have pricing for everything, please use that to order.
I just tried to desolder 87 blue keys today, you only charging $5 for it ? wow.Yes to desolder the PLU-87's its only $5 if you wish to use those switches.
looks like you can also get other color cased PLU's from taobaoill look into those. Im already looking into the pink ones as well
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.80.CWdJTq&scm=1007.152.0.0&id=10039960685&pvid=ff229498-7608-4196-9719-459726091f29&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id=
yea im working on those but since everyone is on holiday its takes a while for responses.looks like you can also get other color cased PLU's from taobaoill look into those. Im already looking into the pink ones as well
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.80.CWdJTq&scm=1007.152.0.0&id=10039960685&pvid=ff229498-7608-4196-9719-459726091f29&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id=
Profosist -- thank you for doing all this work.
If it's not too much trouble, I'd be very interested in a red PLU-87. :-*
I would seriously prefer to solder than to desolder something.Thats fine you will be able to just order parts from this GB as well.
Just commenting on you rates :) I would prefer to assemble the phantom myself and use something other than PLU87 casing.
I may be interested in getting my switches from you ! are you going to order or you already have stocks ?I will be ordering them from a place that has them in stock.
Is LED resistor swap for the top right LED?yea the swap would be to change the color of the leds.
Is Phantom able to add LED onto the switches?
Are there any other cases I could use with this PCB? The PLU case is only meh it seems, and it doesn't seem to allow for a winkeyless layout..
The Phantom PCB was designed to fit inside the Filco TKL case.
"Winkeyless" layout is possible using any case, if you use an 86-key layout with a 1x key between each Ctrl and Alt. 84-key layout is possible by not installing switches in those positions, but there isn't (yet) a case with a top cover that has cutouts to cover those positions. Maybe someone is working on one...
A dedicated case would surely boost the appeal of the Phantom :))agreed it would but i dont know it will happen for Phantom R2 maybe for phantom v2 though?
I am assuming the same goes for the detachable mini USB mod?yea that should be possible idk if he has do any trial and error with that though get
From looking at the PCB I don't think it's possible, but if I missed it, is adding leds to certain keys supported and if so could you do that?you can have leds in caps lock and scroll lock if you dont want the ones in the normal Filco positions.
Costar stabilizer better or the cherry one ?I prefer cherry with the mod.
Costar stabilizer better or the cherry one ?I prefer cherry with the mod.
there are little legs on the bottom you remove which make them feel much less mushy.Costar stabilizer better or the cherry one ?I prefer cherry with the mod.
what sort of mod can we do on cherry ? Sorry I'm new to all these
there are little legs on the bottom you remove which make them feel much less mushy.Costar stabilizer better or the cherry one ?I prefer cherry with the mod.
what sort of mod can we do on cherry ? Sorry I'm new to all these
Will you also offer custom springs and switch stickers? That would be awesome!I have no source of custom springs or stickers
If I only order some parts, no full assembly, will you still do the Cherry stabilizer mod for example?
And how about if I would want both LED spots populated (Filco style + in switch, total of 4 LEDs), could you offer the parts for that too?
Quote from: gimpsterQuote from: fruktstundQuestion: is it possible to have LEDs both in the switches and between the six pack and Pause/Printscreen/Rollen keys? :)
Yes. It's definitely possible. I think you need 3 resistors, instead of 2, though. If I remember correctly, the Scroll Lock shares a resistor between the key light and the case light, but the Caps Lock has a separate location for the resistor used by the key light that is next to the switch.Quote from: fruktstundAnd thank you very much gimpster, tried it out, and it did work! I just soldered 3 resistors on because it seemed right, so I don't have any idea if it would work with only two, but I think not.
I thought I've read it somewhere that it is possible if you use a third resistor. Have to look that up again...ok well there are 3 resistor positions and 4 leds so you have to figure out the circuit that has 2 leds in it and see how it wired once that firgure out the correct resistor could be selected but to mu understanding the boar was never meant to run 4 leds at the same time.
Edit:
Found it in the DT Thread for the Phantom.Quote from: Deskthority-threadQuote from: gimpsterQuote from: fruktstundQuestion: is it possible to have LEDs both in the switches and between the six pack and Pause/Printscreen/Rollen keys? :)
Yes. It's definitely possible. I think you need 3 resistors, instead of 2, though. If I remember correctly, the Scroll Lock shares a resistor between the key light and the case light, but the Caps Lock has a separate location for the resistor used by the key light that is next to the switch.Quote from: fruktstundAnd thank you very much gimpster, tried it out, and it did work! I just soldered 3 resistors on because it seemed right, so I don't have any idea if it would work with only two, but I think not.
There is a pure alu case being made from what I know, it will be out this week so just be on a lookout for it =)
There is a pure alu case being made from what I know, it will be out this week so just be on a lookout for it =)
What do you mean "out this week"? As in up for group buy, or on the open market?
There is a pure alu case being made from what I know, it will be out this week so just be on a lookout for it =)
What do you mean "out this week"? As in up for group buy, or on the open market?
Out on GH forum and it will probably be a groupbuy. Out this week means that they will announce more details and information sometime in the coming 7 days.
Welcome to the hobby. For perspective, the R4 GB if including interest check is coming up on 1.5 years soon. A few months for a solid case to have for such a sweet board is a small price to pay.There is a pure alu case being made from what I know, it will be out this week so just be on a lookout for it =)
What do you mean "out this week"? As in up for group buy, or on the open market?
Out on GH forum and it will probably be a groupbuy. Out this week means that they will announce more details and information sometime in the coming 7 days.
Thanks.... guess I was just hoping that it wouldn't be another 3 to 4 month adventure.
Are we still waiting on anything aside from plate pricing and case moding pricing?im doing the case moding so ill just have to decide on a price all that im waiting on besides this is the plates then...
Did you get any quotes back yet? I still haven't gotten any from the local places around me.nope if i dont get a reply soon ill send a follow up email.
Is there a fancy form yet?no I still dont have pricing on plates which are rather important part of building a phantom
regarding the Cherry Stabilizers, is there a difference for ANSI/ISO or does it work for both? Or is everything included for both perhaps.ansi/iso use the same stabilizers so everything is included.
And the same question about the spacebar sizes :)
With the PCB GB being closed I am not sure what else I need to order in a GB separate from this. I need a plate from WhiteFireDragon's GB as well right?well this GB will have everything that you need but the PCB.
And then I only need to participate more in this GB and in a GB once someone makes a decent looking case to replace the PLU-87?
I'm kinda lost onbuildingdesigning my own keyboard.. I'm not even sure which layout I want it to have but I kinda like the one without the windowskeys but there's no case to make this look nice..
Is there a fancy form yet?no I still dont have pricing on plates which are rather important part of building a phantom
yes ill be extended probably ill have at least 1 week for thus GB to be openIs there a fancy form yet?no I still dont have pricing on plates which are rather important part of building a phantom
That's cool. You just have a close date that I don't want to miss.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Cherry Stabilizers: $8 per set (will outfit a standard TKL keyboard)Does "standard TKL" mean there will be only 6.25x spacebar stabilizers? Or will I be able to choose in the ordering for if I want a Cherry kit with 6.25x or 7x spacebar stabilizer?
I have another question regarding the Cherry stabilizers you will offer.youll be able to choose when ordering which spacebar you want.QuoteCherry Stabilizers: $8 per set (will outfit a standard TKL keyboard)Does "standard TKL" mean there will be only 6.25x spacebar stabilizers? Or will I be able to choose in the ordering for if I want a Cherry kit with 6.25x or 7x spacebar stabilizer?
OK, and how will it work with the plates exactly?i believe ill be selling them though that may change depending on who gets the best pricing or actually gets a quote first lol
I understand that you will offer the ones being discussed in WFDs IC thread. Will your GB be the only spot to order those plates or will we be able to order them from WFD himself directly, too?
Is order form up yet?
I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I don't know what the following options are:
- LED and Resistor Swap
- Black or Clear Spring for Spacebar: $0 (free) per phantom
- Cherry Stabilizer Mod: $0 (free) per phantom
May I buy a clue? ;)
1. If you want to use a different LED color than the white LEDs supplied. Different LEDs have different voltages, and so require different resistor values.
2. Sometimes you want your spacebar to have a stiffer spring than the rest of your switches. For instance, if you have a board with reds, you want a black spacebar spring to provide more resistance.
3. Cherry stabilizers can feel mushy to some people. There is a mod where you clip a piece of the stabilizer insert to make it feel less so.
You know it is going to be worth every cent ; )coo
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAKKO-153-LEAD-FORMER-CUTTING-FORMING-FOR-TAPE-TYPE-AXIAL-CUTTER-/110996905013?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d7ee5c35
jdcarpe, you are both a gentleman and a scholar. :DYour good looks are only exceeded by your kindness and generosity.
A bit noobish and awkward question but how hard would it be to move everything (by everything I mean pcb with switches and all the other stuff) from plu case to other case?If you know how to solder, not too hard at all. If not, you may have some difficulties.
Thanks in adcance!
7 8 9
4 5 6
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with a fn layer for the normal keys that go there.
If you didn't order a Phantom pcb you're already too late...
I thought you both got quotes back as mentioned in the IC thread.yea my place was knocked out of the running and i did get a price from WFD but idk if its for alu or SS
There's no pricing in the form for the stabilizers (cherry and costar).thanks form will be down for a bit as its being fixed also some fields arnt showing up... itll be a couple of min
I just read that the dark grey (linear) is used as the SB for MX Blacks and that the regular grey (tactile) is used for the SB on Clears. Being that you're not offering blacks currently, can you swap out dark grey for grey, or just add grey as an option?whats up there is what i can get thats in stock. there still may be a possibility of black and green the form and thread wil be updated if that is the case.
Dark Grey: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Dark_Grey
Grey : http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Grey
I do realize that you may not be able to get them, just a humble request.
thanks prof.
Form submitted....hope we can get 1000 white switches!akimbo i dont see yours did you already submit? if so could you try again? sorry
did I read the form correctly:looking at exact pricing now on that prices may go down
2 resistors + 2 LED's = $5
Hi Prof,
Just looking through the form, I'm semi-clueless as to what many of the options actually are.
If I tell you what I'm after, then perhaps you can tell me what options I should go for?
Just a plain phantom with MX clears, perhaps MX black on the space and all put together, thats about it.
Just a few questions
1. Not really wanting a PLU87 case, there are a few on the drawing board might wait for one of those.
2. and I've got no idea regarding
2a. resistor swaps
2b. lubed switches
2c. stabiliser mods
Id be getting a plate so i'd need the plate mounted stabilisers?
If you can give me a clue what is involved in a normal assembly (minus the case i guess for now) that would be amazing
Thanks again.
This might also be useful for others that are as clueless as me.
Form submitted....hope we can get 1000 white switches!got your order and just so you all know we only need a total of 1000 switches to order not 1000 of each type
^Then we are at least 1/10th of the way there. XD2/10
these are the only plates that are made currently i believe WFD said we had to have at leas 15 people interested to get another design...^Then we are at least 1/10th of the way there. XD2/10
TP, are those the only plates officially? I ordered the ANSI150 but was hoping for something like this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38623.msg760615#msg760615) but with standard FN row.
Form filled for some Clear switches.
the gates have opened!! wooooo
parts-only order submitted :)
Form filled for parts-only order. Thanks for the group buy.
I wrote in the notes to also reassemble the PLU but I think this would be a great chance to learn soldering so please send it in parts.that means you only want the stem/spring swap assembly too correct? not the basic assembly in addition?
I'm going for a black case with lubed red switches costar stabilizers and the same layout as my filco TKL.
Some questions before I fill out the form.
1. About the plates. I already ordered 2 of WFD's universal plates (1 to go in this and one for my filco) and he is doing my assembly so I should already be good and not need any of the other plates right?
2. If I order the black PLU 87 with Red Switches that covers the case and switches then I just need to order a few extra red switches in case they are bad.
(I will also be ordering some clear switches to go in my GH60-how many of those will I need?).
3. No purple or white LEDs?
Yeah, one stem/spring swap assembly and the PLU pcb/plate/remaining parts also sent in pieces.alright ill modify your order for you
sorry if I missed something, but are these the plates from the IC http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38623.0 ?yep theres a note way at the bottom of the OP sorry it doesnt stick out more
you are right, sorry dude, didn't notice the notes were updated.not a problem their not very noticeable lol
form filled for parts only order. (but had to mark all the other stuff with zero)
sorry but i set i up that way purposefully so hopefully having to mark 0 would force you to really look over what your ordering and not miss anything.form filled for parts only order. (but had to mark all the other stuff with zero)
^this
That's reallllly annoying.
Are LEDs actually needed at all?no, you get white ones in the kit the ones i offer are if you want a different color.
Are LEDs actually needed at all?no, you get white ones in the kit the ones i offer are if you want a different color.
Form submitted, thanks for the clarifications.yep no problem, and yes its fine we can ship it to you built without a case.
okay took a plate, if I get it right it will be SS, but ALU is also good for meyes plates are made of stainless
So are the LEDs for all of the caps? Per set?nope there only 2 leds on the board the price for the leds will be adjusted later today hopefullly when i have time to price out the leds and resistors
I have a question, how are you planning on modifying the PLU case for the 7bit num block? Might end up wanting to get one seeing as cases are still probably a few months out...using my skill and a dremel, the same way that I did mine, their not perfect those were also my first attempts at it but I will make it look as clean as possible
I think I'll wait until the 20th (this closes the 21st right?) until I change my order to get a case as well in case something comes up.sounds fine to me just maksure you get your order in before the loose deadline
How are we doing on switches Prof? Anywhere near 1000 yet?clears alone are well over the 1000
Already got it in just to be safe. Worst case I have to use my super duper dremel skills on a case I get from classifieds.I think I'll wait until the 20th (this closes the 21st right?) until I change my order to get a case as well in case something comes up.sounds fine to me just maksure you get your order in before the loose deadline
$0.60 - MXBLUE (MX1A-E1NN)
$0.60 - MXBROWN (MX1A-G1NN)
$0.60 - MXRED (MX1A-L1NN)
$0.60 - MXCLEAR (MX1A-C1NN)
$0.85 - MXGREEN (MX1A-F1NN)
$0.65 - MXWHITE (MX1A-A1NN)
$0.85 - MXGREY (MX1A-D1NN)
$0.85 - MXDARKGREY (MX1A-21NN)
An extra $5 for white switches? Worth it.
MXWHITE now on backorder
MXWHITE now on backorderDoes it affect you if the order was already in?
MXWHITE now on backorder
Nooo!!!1
MXWHITE now on backorderDoes it affect you if the order was already in?
MXWHITE now on backorder
Nooo!!!1MXWHITE now on backorderDoes it affect you if the order was already in?
dont worry you two and everyone that ordered before I announced they were on back order got there orders in for instock switches
Form Filled. I've never tried cherry stabilizers. Gonna trust you on this one.I'm going for a black case with lubed red switches costar stabilizers and the same layout as my filco TKL.
Some questions before I fill out the form.
1. About the plates. I already ordered 2 of WFD's universal plates (1 to go in this and one for my filco) and he is doing my assembly so I should already be good and not need any of the other plates right?
2. If I order the black PLU 87 with Red Switches that covers the case and switches then I just need to order a few extra red switches in case they are bad.
(I will also be ordering some clear switches to go in my GH60-how many of those will I need?).
3. No purple or white LEDs?
if he is doing your assembly and is one of the builders in this GB select the type of assembly that you want and leave his name in the notes so that the needed parts get shipped to him. No you shouldnt need any other plates.
yes a few extra would be good also dont forget stabilizers i recommended cherry with the mod
white is what comes with the phantom and no no purple those are usually UV
If you could, could you give me a brief explanation of what the Cherry Stabilizers do? I just want to be sure that I'd like them before they're on :) Thanks!!they stabilize the 2x+ width keys so when you press on one side the other side goes down
MXCLEAR now on BACKORDER!OP and Form updated to reflect this
that was quick, glad i put mine in early, i'm guessing back order means future requests are back order, i'm still good?yes that is what that means and yes i made notes in the speadsheet about when the in stock stuff has run out so that I know exactly who gets what
maybe at some point you should post what your total order looks like so far or something as people put in their orders, i dunno how i should say it, some tally or something. I'm interested in how many plates, PLU, and switches your having to order. More of my curiosity than a requirement....
How long do you think that the backorder for MX Whites will take? Thinking about changing my PLU board to reds also, but it depends on how long the wait will be for some whites :)
Thanks Prof, props for doing all this work!
Prof,i can add them to your order and i could PM you your order if you want
I want to add 20 MX Grey's to my order, I ordered before that was an option. Should I fill out another form, or can you edit my existing order? I don't want to order again and lose my place in line on the clears and whites.
Do I have the ability to view my order?
I'm pretty sure since I got my order in the day the form went up, but can you confirm that I got in before these switches were placed on backorder?
Thanks
yes i was told 2 monthsHow long do you think that the backorder for MX Whites will take? Thinking about changing my PLU board to reds also, but it depends on how long the wait will be for some whites :)
Thanks Prof, props for doing all this work!
I think he said two months
Prof,i can add them to your order and i could PM you your order if you want
I want to add 20 MX Grey's to my order, I ordered before that was an option. Should I fill out another form, or can you edit my existing order? I don't want to order again and lose my place in line on the clears and whites.
Do I have the ability to view my order?
I'm pretty sure since I got my order in the day the form went up, but can you confirm that I got in before these switches were placed on backorder?
Thanks
you want pm of your order your saying?Prof,i can add them to your order and i could PM you your order if you want
I want to add 20 MX Grey's to my order, I ordered before that was an option. Should I fill out another form, or can you edit my existing order? I don't want to order again and lose my place in line on the clears and whites.
Do I have the ability to view my order?
I'm pretty sure since I got my order in the day the form went up, but can you confirm that I got in before these switches were placed on backorder?
Thanks
That'd be awesome! Thanks man.
you want pm of your order your saying?Prof,i can add them to your order and i could PM you your order if you want
I want to add 20 MX Grey's to my order, I ordered before that was an option. Should I fill out another form, or can you edit my existing order? I don't want to order again and lose my place in line on the clears and whites.
Do I have the ability to view my order?
I'm pretty sure since I got my order in the day the form went up, but can you confirm that I got in before these switches were placed on backorder?
Thanks
That'd be awesome! Thanks man.
yep your before both backordersyou want pm of your order your saying?Prof,i can add them to your order and i could PM you your order if you want
I want to add 20 MX Grey's to my order, I ordered before that was an option. Should I fill out another form, or can you edit my existing order? I don't want to order again and lose my place in line on the clears and whites.
Do I have the ability to view my order?
I'm pretty sure since I got my order in the day the form went up, but can you confirm that I got in before these switches were placed on backorder?
Thanks
That'd be awesome! Thanks man.
Just wanted to confirm I was in before the backorder, I'm pretty sure I am since I ordered so quickly.
ARE YOU SERIOUS? The only thing I actually want from this thread was the mx white switches... didn't even get a chance to get my order in.2 months as it is right now but since we blew through the certain instock switches so quickly i asked if there was any way we could expedite getting more
Prof, what is the lead time for backordered mx whites? Can you get them to start ordering the whites and clears?
Is it possible to confirm if my order for clears was in before backorders?yep well before
I filled the form before I saw the video on what the cherry stabilizer mod is. I'd also like that. Please add it to the notes.done
Hiya prof, can you add 2 mx grey switches to my order?done
Jw, did you switch my PLU to reds instead of browns? Can't remember if I got a message! Thanksdone
Awesome! Thanksno problem
Can we still order the switches that are under backordered?yep and yo ucan order as many as you want too
Can we still order the switches that are under backordered?yep and yo ucan order as many as you want too
Hey TP, do you think your modding skills are up to something like this for making a PLU case winkeyless?seems like a pretty time consuming mod...
http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f8/komar-60-board-complete-t4865.html
You know what's more time consuming? Properly lubing every switch!when i submit the order so they know how much to oorder but this GB ends in 3 days so you can think of them as the same.
Did they already ordered the two backordered switches from cherry, or is the 2 months ETA from the time you submit all the orders?
Will there be other GBs for plates, or is this the only one?these are the ones im offering iidk if other ones have even been designed
Also, how are you doing the PLU-M87 mods for your namesake plate? A dremel? Sorry if this has already been mentioned, leaning towards either PROF or ANSI150 format.yep dremel
The poor PLUs :(
Does 7x cherry stabilizer fit in ansi150 ?yes that would be correct
Does 7x cherry stabilizer fit in ansi150 ?yes that would be correct
Hmm, White or clear...
Man I gotta get my order in then! Need plates at leastsorry am in process of updating this thread. if you need plates now you need to go to WFD http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39410.0
so for us who ordered need reorder plate?Man I gotta get my order in then! Need plates at leastsorry am in process of updating this thread. if you need plates now you need to go to WFD http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39410.0
yes sorry about this i am updating the thread to reflect this right nowso for us who ordered need reorder plate?Man I gotta get my order in then! Need plates at leastsorry am in process of updating this thread. if you need plates now you need to go to WFD http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39410.0
I see no probyes sorry about this i am updating the thread to reflect this right nowso for us who ordered need reorder plate?Man I gotta get my order in then! Need plates at leastsorry am in process of updating this thread. if you need plates now you need to go to WFD http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39410.0
If I have everything shipped to me, including a PLU-M87, any clue on what amount shipping will be (CONUS)? Might be switches, stabilizers and that keyboard.no not off the top of my head sorry as I havnt shipped anything but korean boards as of late. All shipping will be calculated per person at time of shipment
no not off the top of my head sorry as I havnt shipped anything but korean boards as of late. All shipping will be calculated per person at time of shipmentOK, no problem, just trying to figure out how far my cash can stretch this time ;)
I'd also like to add cherry stabilizers to my order if you could help me out! Thanks!sure 6.25 or 7x
7 please! Thanks budupdated
I'm sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but I didn't see it.for me cherry with the mod.
What is the preference of costar vs. cherry stabilizers?
I'm sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but I didn't see it.for me cherry with the mod.
What is the preference of costar vs. cherry stabilizers?
7 please! Thanks budupdated
TheProfosist's Brain Melts7 please! Thanks budupdated
Make that 6.25, my bad sorry!
Edit: Dont do this, 7 will be fine as I've decided to use an ANSI150 for this phantom. Sorry for confusion.
Hey prof, can you cancel my order on the cherry plate mount stabilizers and mx grey switches? I want to update my order to only 90 mx clear switches. Sorry for the trouble.ok updated
Hey Prof,sent you a pm about it
can you PM me the status/amount of my order? Im a bit confused..
Thanks
Prof, please add 90 brown switches to my order, i think i already put down 90 so this would make 180done
I know many of you are not going to be happy about this but after lubing a bunch of keyboards in the recent week and talking with the other people that will be helping be build I am going to have to raise the price on lubing $10 to cover for the fairly large amount of time involved. if you would like to change your order because of this please let me know as I have no problem changing your order.
I saw this coming a mile away and knew it was inevitable you were going to raise the price or just completely not do it anymore. Lube job takes at least 3 hours to do it properly.
Hey Prof, I changed my mind. Can you change me from ergo clears w/ lube to just modding to ergo-clears? Thanks!done
Prof, while we're on the topic, think about increasing your PLU switch desoldering cost too. You're not even using a desoldering gun. $5 kinda says you don't value your time.yea... totally forgot about that, thanks for bringing it up!
Prof, go ahead and remove the PLU keyboards and extra stabilizers from my order.done
i went ahead and went with the Quickfires on amazon instead. It's too big of a deal to ignore.
This should leave the switches and LEDs as the only things in the order.
i wondering if you're going to put up a counter of how many parts people ordered, I'm very curious.
TheProfosist -> Will this GB be open all day today (26th)? Do we still have time to place an order? Thanks!yes
TheProfosist -> Will this GB be open all day today (26th)? Do we still have time to place an order? Thanks!yes
Hey Profosist, just wanted to ask if it's still possible to change from an ISO125 to an ISO150? And also from a 6.25x to a 7x cherry plate stabilizer. I have changed my mind since I'll have some nice keysets by then :)updated
My 2nd choice would still be an ISO125 then. Third stays the same.
Hey Prof, Are you able to get any PBC mount MX locks?PCB? yes those will be in the next GB for GH60 stuff.
Hey Prof. I just wanted to check to see if my order was set. I believe I put it in before you took out the plates but I also wanted to get some other stuff from you. Thanks.I have 1 7x stab set down for you.
Yeah I had an order of stabilizers and plates with you but want to make sure I'm still going to receive the stabs since you moved the plates GB over to WFD.yea ive got you down for 2 7x stab sets
Please don't shoot me, but is there a spreadsheet to allow us to confirm what we ordered? :-[there will be once orders are closed
Please don't shoot me, but is there a spreadsheet to allow us to confirm what we ordered? :-[there will be once orders are closed
yep you can make adjustments and need to pay withing 7 days of when this GB closesPlease don't shoot me, but is there a spreadsheet to allow us to confirm what we ordered? :-[there will be once orders are closed
And if we need to make adjustments, that's OK? :-\
If you can't tell by now... you're my first
Group Buy that is. LOL! :p
yep you can make adjustments and need to pay withing 7 days of when this GB closes
yepyep you can make adjustments and need to pay withing 7 days of when this GB closes
Okay, so do we now wait for the usual Paypal bill to arrive into our accounts? First time I'm actually wanting to pay before the 7 day deadline. :))
Hey prof, last change. Can you add cherry stem 7x set for me and a single mx grey.done
I don't remember if if was part of the questions, but did we have to specify where the LEDs were placed? If so could I confirm where I chose?nope never had that on there was planning to put where the led holes were on the case
Is it possible to have them under their respective keys?I don't remember if if was part of the questions, but did we have to specify where the LEDs were placed? If so could I confirm where I chose?nope never had that on there was planning to put where the led holes were on the case
sure just let me know and ill add it to you assembly notesIs it possible to have them under their respective keys?I don't remember if if was part of the questions, but did we have to specify where the LEDs were placed? If so could I confirm where I chose?nope never had that on there was planning to put where the led holes were on the case
Awesome, please and TY. :Dsure just let me know and ill add it to you assembly notesIs it possible to have them under their respective keys?I don't remember if if was part of the questions, but did we have to specify where the LEDs were placed? If so could I confirm where I chose?nope never had that on there was planning to put where the led holes were on the case
Please change my PLU87 browns back to reds.. made up my mind!updated
Yeah, I just read through the latest updates to 7bit's thread at DT yesterday. Cherry is reeling right now. They can't keep up with the demand.
Yeah, I just read through the latest updates to 7bit's thread at DT yesterday. Cherry is reeling right now. They can't keep up with the demand.
**Cough** ALPS **Cough**
Yeah, I just read through the latest updates to 7bit's thread at DT yesterday. Cherry is reeling right now. They can't keep up with the demand.
**Cough** ALPS **Cough**
Yep my northgate omnikey with dampened white switchss is looking pretty good right now!
Yeah, I just read through the latest updates to 7bit's thread at DT yesterday. Cherry is reeling right now. They can't keep up with the demand.
**Cough** ALPS **Cough**
Yep my northgate omnikey with dampened white switchss is looking pretty good right now!
I don't think ALPs work with the Phantom for whatever reason. Don't quote me, though.
Yeah, I just read through the latest updates to 7bit's thread at DT yesterday. Cherry is reeling right now. They can't keep up with the demand.
**Cough** ALPS **Cough**
Yep my northgate omnikey with dampened white switchss is looking pretty good right now!
I don't think ALPs work with the Phantom for whatever reason. Don't quote me, though.
Any idea when will Mx-clear be in stock ?The only switch which will not be delivered within around a month are the 108 MXBLACK so if you orered these, either the Profosist must find another source, or they can be made from what remains from an Ergoclear mod.
Great! Thank you !Any idea when will Mx-clear be in stock ?The only switch which will not be delivered within around a month are the 108 MXBLACK so if you orered these, either the Profosist must find another source, or they can be made from what remains from an Ergoclear mod.
MXCLEAR is ordred and will be delivered within a month.
MXWHITE is in stock.
MXLOCK will be the variant with pins (just cut them off), because these will not reach the MOQ of 1000 switches.
Thanks for all your many orders.
:-)
Think Prof said he's started them.
Any idea when will Mx-clear be in stock ?The only switch which will not be delivered within around a month are the 108 MXBLACK so if you orered these, either the Profosist must find another source, or they can be made from what remains from an Ergoclear mod.
MXCLEAR is ordred and will be delivered within a month.
MXWHITE is in stock.
MXLOCK will be the variant with pins (just cut them off), because these will not reach the MOQ of 1000 switches.
Thanks for all your many orders.
:-)
Any idea when will Mx-clear be in stock ?The only switch which will not be delivered within around a month are the 108 MXBLACK so if you orered these, either the Profosist must find another source, or they can be made from what remains from an Ergoclear mod.
MXCLEAR is ordred and will be delivered within a month.
MXWHITE is in stock.
MXLOCK will be the variant with pins (just cut them off), because these will not reach the MOQ of 1000 switches.
Thanks for all your many orders.
:-)
Hey Prof, there were a couple of errors with my invoice. I sent you a PM regarding what needs to be fixed. Thank you!yep i pmd you back
Is all invoice sent out? Haven't receive minelol no im doing them in the order that people ordered I think im on like 10 or so
Is all invoice sent out? Haven't receive minelol no im doing them in the order that people ordered I think im on like 10 or so
I will post when i have all of the invoices outIs all invoice sent out? Haven't receive minelol no im doing them in the order that people ordered I think im on like 10 or so
Alright! just worried if my order dropped off
I will post when i have all of the invoices outIs all invoice sent out? Haven't receive minelol no im doing them in the order that people ordered I think im on like 10 or so
Alright! just worried if my order dropped off
Would be nice if the invoice was itemized.They are. Super nice and broken down by parts and count.
Would be nice if the invoice was itemized.
Would be nice if the invoice was itemized.They are. Super nice and broken down by parts and count.
I liked it. Probably the easiest to read invoice I've ever had.Would be nice if the invoice was itemized.Would be nice if the invoice was itemized.They are. Super nice and broken down by parts and count.
yea... i broke them down the best i could, at least I thought?
Would be nice if the invoice was itemized.Would be nice if the invoice was itemized.They are. Super nice and broken down by parts and count.
yea... i broke them down the best i could, at least I thought?
Thank you Prof. Paid! Remember to send it to Alaric. Cheersyes ill follow the notes left with your order
Thank you Prof. Paid! Remember to send it to Alaric. Cheersyes ill follow the notes left with your order
yea... i broke them down the best i could, at least I thought?
added it was in your order looks like i just missed it when I mad the invoice. you should have gotten an updated invoice.
yea... i broke them down the best i could, at least I thought?
Yes, you did, it just wasn't showing up on the mobile version. Unfortunately my invoice doesn't seem to include my late addition from PM :(
EDIT: Oh wait a minute, it does include the red switches, but my clear switches are gone!! :'( If I can't order the clears, I'm going to have to drastically change my order dude. What happened?
Prof, I only bought switches from you the rest I cancelled.did you get a second invoice? yea sorry I didnt notice you had filled out the form 2x so i just made another invoice Ill cancel it if thats the case
Prof, I only bought switches from you the rest I cancelled.did you get a second invoice? yea sorry I didnt notice you had filled out the form 2x so i just made another invoice Ill cancel it if thats the case
Invoice canceledProf, I only bought switches from you the rest I cancelled.did you get a second invoice? yea sorry I didnt notice you had filled out the form 2x so i just made another invoice Ill cancel it if thats the case
Yea, sorry. Thank you anyway
Paid, but I didn't realize the actual order was wrong till just now..... but technically, it's for the right amount. I'm an idiot. PM'd.replied
I received an invoice but it only lists the stabilizers I ordered. I originally ordered plates through here and then I had to order them again through WFD's thread which I believe had an order form that was managed by you. That thread still states in the OP that he won't be managing payment. Also, that thread's title has changed to "Invoicing" status.WFD has the plate orders he broke those off into a separate GB you should be getting a invoice from him
1. What's the status on plates? Should my invoice include them or should I expect a separate invoice. If the invoice is separate, who will that come from?
2. Will my two 7x stabilizer orders both come with the correctly bent wires? Who is making the wires?
Paidsorry must have missed those when making the invoice, sent you another to cover those, sorry about the mess.
BUT in my invoice stabilizers are missing why?
Just PAID as well. If stabilizers are given, please can I have some as well for the Spacer-bar, Shifts, Backspace, Enter keys.there is already a 7x set of stabilizers on you order/invoice which you paid, did you need more?
Or isn't it required yet?
Just PAID as well. If stabilizers are given, please can I have some as well for the Spacer-bar, Shifts, Backspace, Enter keys.there is already a 7x set of stabilizers on you order/invoice which you paid, did you need more?
Or isn't it required yet?
all invoices have been updated, questions answered, and payments logged
I might have missed it but does anybody have the rough estimate of when everything should be done? I know invoices are still going out for some things so it will be a while.
BTW all invoices are now out!!!Prof, I don't seem to have received an invoice from you. Could you kindly try resending it? Thanks
Payments extended to mon since I havnt had time to reply to everyone by friday.
Yes im alive there are about 10 people who havnt paid their invoices yet. I will be applying changes today and resending those invoices. Once i receive payment from everyone i will pay 7bit and order the other parts that are needed.
Yes im alive there are about 10 people who havnt paid their invoices yet. I will be applying changes today and resending those invoices. Once i receive payment from everyone i will pay 7bit and order the other parts that are needed.
Yes im alive there are about 10 people who havnt paid their invoices yet. I will be applying changes today and resending those invoices. Once i receive payment from everyone i will pay 7bit and order the other parts that are needed.
Hey, take care of your schooling first and get those assignments completed. Deal with Geekhack lastly. I have already paid but I'm not one of those A**holes who insist on getting my item sent as early as possible. Take care of yourself first then deal with the rest of us.
Geekhack can suck the life out of you, if you let it. Hence get your priorities in check before listening to the whingers and whiners on here.
I'm happy to ............wait......... but poor 7bit, may have other opinions.
I wouldn't call these people a**holes, seems pretty strong for just wanting something in the mail haha.
Yes im alive there are about 10 people who havnt paid their invoices yet. I will be applying changes today and resending those invoices. Once i receive payment from everyone i will pay 7bit and order the other parts that are needed.
Three weeks now...
Will my invoice ever be updated?
Nope never muhuhahahaha
School didn't kill him! +20EXPNope never muhuhahahaha
Holy ish...Prof is back!
i have replied to all pms and emails and all remaining invoices have been updated and resent please pay up ASAP
Have you sort it out ?
Have you sort it out ?
??? What?
Prof, when will you start building these? Did everyone paid yet?I cant build until i have these parts and well the PCBs which arnt under my control but should be proceeding smoothly
I sent 200 bucks and I'm starting to worry about it...dont worry all the money from everyone is still sitting in my account aside from the little that has been sent to 7bit already
I sent 200 bucks and I'm starting to worry about it...dont worry all the money from everyone is still sitting in my account aside from the little that has been sent to 7bit already
He sent me message yesterday, so it seems he is still alive. Hope did not get into winter hibernation again, but woke up for real and tell me how many switches to send and also pay for them ...sent you a pm about the rest of the switches
Is it possible at all to change my order of red switches to brown or clear?sure clears would be easiest to switch to i think?
Is it possible at all to change my order of red switches to brown or clear?sure clears would be easiest to switch to i think?
Urgh, okay. I have to get used to the slowness of Geekhack :(This buy is overly slow. Most buys go quicker, sadly.
sorry should have pressed people to pay and cut them off sooner
hi prof, have you checked it? you said i havent pay yet which i did.Why do I feel like everytime I asked about my payment I get ignored? Do you mind to reply? You told me I haven't paid in pm and you stopped replied after I provide you the paypal transaction number.i just need a answer that's all.
I'll try to pick up his slack on the cherry stabilizers since he gets those from me anyways. But if you ordered switches or a keyboard from him, that's out of my control. PCBs are out of my control as well, I'm sure bavman will update you guys once he receives them.
Not sure why Prof left this GB dormant for so long.
Well, it's too late to file a dispute... I'll just ask nicely for a refund and source the switches from 7bit directly.
I'm trying to stay out of running this thing, if at all possible and I will not release personal info on him. I will, however, keep pestering him.
1) WFD and Smallfry seem to be on the ball. If they are willing and able, I think they should take over.
2) Assuming that doesn't happen, I want either proof that the parts have been ordered, a refund, or a plan that details an exact timeline for completion that is measured in single-digit days.
3) Assuming that doesn't happen, sanctions should be applied to the account and I will attempt to extract a refund in RL.
now it's just that everyone shouldn't worry and he doesn't care that people are annoyed. :/
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Please excuse this threadcrap post while I pimp my gb ;)
While we wait for everything to arrive and for the assembly to begin, I've put together a group buy for Silver Metallic Phantom Stickers (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41486.0). Shadovved is making them, so they will look much like his other stickers (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40240.0).
I did a hack job in PhotoShop to give some idea what they might look like. If you're having a Phantom assembled, please consider joining this group buy.
We now return you to your regular programming. LOL!
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To these people, where please PM me with where you would like your PCB to go. I don't know if people still want their PCB to go to Prof pending the recent stuff with the GB. I don't know if people want their PCB shipped to Prof, WFD, myself, or to the owner of said PCB.no need really only a small fraction of those people are actually getting their phantoms built buy us and i believe ill only be receiving those PCBs and partsCode: [Select]Acetrak
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It's not SF. :P Also, you have been MIA for all purposes, which would make people nervous in terms of a GB, so I was trying to help people out.To these people, where please PM me with where you would like your PCB to go. I don't know if people still want their PCB to go to Prof pending the recent stuff with the GB. I don't know if people want their PCB shipped to Prof, WFD, myself, or to the owner of said PCB.no need really only a small fraction of those people are actually getting their phantoms built buy us and i believe ill only be receiving those PCBs and partsCode: [Select]Acetrak
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Edit: didnt see you edited the list. Also I do have the final speadsheet if you want it you never asked really....
Also since i have already been paid and parts are on order doing what SF suggests seems illogical, at least to me...
Dude you're alive. If you don't even have time to mange orders or answer questions, how are you going to have time to go over details on building people's keyboards, or coordinate shipping them all out? I'll send out all the stuff you're suppose to get from me once you confirm what I PMed you.i just posted and pmd you 3 days ago. sorry i dont like my life on GH anymore. Though its not like i ever got a promt response from you until recently when you wanted to take over this GB.
Good to see things are moving along. Although it seems the plates are going to be holding things back for a little while.really though those would be right on time o wells itll be a bit any ways until i get the switches from germany and a little over a week until the PLU's show up from china.
May I ask where my reply is? I haven't gotten one since Tuesday.Im working it out with everyone :D
just wondering
does anyone have extra Cherry 7x stabilizer set? I might need one for my board.
Also, can anyone tell me where I can buy this beside here?
Thanks
So when will you start assembling the boards ? Do you have all parts ?no currently I only have the PLU-87's here, which BTW came WAY quicker than i thought they would direct from China.
Everything I've ordered from China has come within three days. One was DHL the other was FedEx. Shipping was about $22-26 bucks.the shipping for the PLU's hurt MUCH more that that :(
PROF!yo dudes whats up? I have recovered and am getting back on this today. I have some more inventory that I havnt been able to update you about. Expect a update either late today or tomorrow once I have organized/figured/etc.
PROF!yo dudes whats up? I have recovered and am getting back on this today. I have some more inventory that I havnt been able to update you about. Expect a update either late today or tomorrow once I have organized/figured/etc.
Does this mean you're sending out all our orders?some of them will go out soon, for the people that only ordered parts that is.
Duuuuuuuuuuude awesome meme.PROF!yo dudes whats up? I have recovered and am getting back on this today. I have some more inventory that I havnt been able to update you about. Expect a update either late today or tomorrow once I have organized/figured/etc.MoreShow Image(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37464870.jpg)
gimme dat FW
Prof -- for those of us that ordered the assembly service, can we find out who the builder will be?I have requested to do your Phantom. We will see how this goes however.
I PM'd you about this, but I'm betting you've been under a deluge of PMs.
Does this mean you're sending out all our orders?some of them will go out soon, for the people that only ordered parts that is.
Which would be what? How many switches do you have? What keyboards do you have currently? Can you ship some of the orders as of now with the current parts? Where are the plates and PCBs?I have 3 "bags" of switches. Until I have word back from 7bit I will not be commenting further on the switches.
1)Which would be what?1) What is the official update on EVERYTHING in the GB? This includes Phantom kits, plates, LEDs, PLUs, switches, resistors and I'm sure I'm forgetting parts.
2)How many switches do you have?
3)What keyboards do you have currently?
4)Can you ship some of the orders as of now with the current parts?
5)Where are the plates and PCBs?
Do you have a separate document for the orders? The Google Docs doesn't seem like it has been updated. Have you recorded them somewhere else?yes I have a modified and updated excel file on my PC what do you need from it?
Again, are we able to cancel the assembly service?
On another note I will never be running another GB but will continue with assembly for those who want be to build their board but never a full blown service ever most likely.
Until I have word back from 7bit I will not be commenting further on the switches.
I really dont know how to answer this really... I would like to say yes but I cannot refund you for the parts you have ordered through me because then I would be stuck with it all. As for the actual assembly service it self, thats why I made this GB initially was not to supply people with parts but to build their keyboards which is what I should have stuck with. At this time I really couldnt refund you.I wouldn't cancel my order. I just want to make sure you had it right. You have not updated it since January. Do you mind Posting the Excel sheet so those of us that we can have a more accurate reference?
If your worried about this not getting done dont worry it will as I have stopped most of my life to straighten this and other GH stuff out properly.I trust you. If you need help organizing a GB just let us know:)
I assure you he doesn't need help when he's trying to kick me out of the GB crew.If your worried about this not getting done dont worry it will as I have stopped most of my life to straighten this and other GH stuff out properly.I trust you. If you need help organizing a GB just let us know:)
I wouldn't cancel my order. I just want to make sure you had it right. You have not updated it since January. Do you mind Posting the Excel sheet so those of us that we can have a more accurate reference?
I wouldn't cancel my order. I just want to make sure you had it right. You have not updated it since January. Do you mind Posting the Excel sheet so those of us that we can have a more accurate reference?
Thank you for the link to the Excel sheet.
I'm in the Back Ordered List. That's OK. When the Clears come in then they are in. Just got anxious about putting the LZ-GH together but since the switches are yet to turn up it's good to know.
Besides I think mine might be the very last to get made. No problems, I'm use to that by now ;) .
what link to the excel sheet?
Awesome, thanks.what link to the excel sheet?
It's in the original post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38471.msg745297#msg745297).
There is no ETA
TheProfosist seems to be overloaded KuhnTang. I will not speak for him, but deadlines have not been met, and information is vague.
Without good communication I can see this just getting worse. Please find the courage to be present for your customers.Not going to defend him, but it is 100x worse because instead of one person asking for an update, one person asks and then ten people echo that ask and then 20 more complain.
Without good communication I can see this just getting worse. Please find the courage to be present for your customers.Not going to defend him, but it is 100x worse because instead of one person asking for an update, one person asks and then ten people echo that ask and then 20 more complain.
I get it, you have money on the line and all that, welcome to GH. I waited 1.5 years for the R4 group buy, a year of that after payment and I still don't have caps but the updates come. They come slow, but there they are. Remember that he has to wait for shipments as well.
I mean, if you want him to post every 12 hours saying, "nothing new, still waiting" then you're in the wrong game.
I know what you're saying, nebo. Forum users can get whiny and obnoxious. However, I have two points...
1) R4 was a disaster, it shouldn't be a justification for anything.
2) I think everyone would shut right up if there was an ETA posted. Silence and/or responses that amount to "I refuse to discuss it any more right now" will add to the chaos.
I've just requested for bavman to ship everything that is suppose to go to Prof, to actually go to me, regardless of what Prof says. I cannot contact Prof, and I doubt anyone else is able to also. What I do know is that he spent all the GB money (including the assembly costs that he already collected), on switches and PLUs, so he does not have enough for stabilizers and what he owes me. Smallfry is busy until summer, so I'll try to completely take over this for now. It's getting a bit ridiculous...
Did he really order our switches? 7bit said he did order switches but didn't specify how many.
Did he really order our switches? 7bit said he did order switches but didn't specify how many.
Yep, I suspect this thread has now started to amass into an all "Pitchfork and Torches" rally against The Prof.
The poor guy is over whelmed with all the orders that came in and I don't blame him. The decent thing is to wait for another 3 MONTHS or so to see what happens.
Even if you haven't heard from him then order switches from elsewhere. I will order some from another person so that I can cover as many bases since Ergo Clears are so difficult to find now.
So like you guys I paid for the switches and I suspect I will buy some more later on. Just give the poor guy some space, because this Group Buy has hit him hard.
Remember when everyone had their Pitchforks up for Sherryton wanting blood and vengeance? Well the guy came back and sent out all orders (or refunded in full). I got my package from him and I will be purchasing more. Sometimes you need to step back, be patient and plan another way to get your items instead of howling for blood on a consistent basis.
hey guys! looks round... wow a lot happens in a couple days doesnt it...
hey guys! looks round... wow a lot happens in a couple days doesnt it...
That's hilarious, Elliot. Keep playing coy, it's been working out so well for you.
BTW had to look up playing coy I guess ive heard it plenty of times but never knew the true definition just the implied one.
BTW had to look up playing coy I guess ive heard it plenty of times but never knew the true definition just the implied one.
What do certain people "imply" when they say 'playing coy' that is different from the true definition?
maybe imply is the wrong word... hmm though idk what the term for figuring out a words definition using surrounding words is. And who knows maybe they were using if perfectly correctly. I guess i never picked up on the complete/exact definition just by hearing it used.BTW had to look up playing coy I guess ive heard it plenty of times but never knew the true definition just the implied one.
What do certain people "imply" when they say 'playing coy' that is different from the true definition?
BTW had to look up playing coy I guess ive heard it plenty of times but never knew the true definition just the implied one.
What do certain people "imply" when they say 'playing coy' that is different from the true definition?
That they could be saying something, but they choose not to. It could be flirtatious, or in this case, mocking the people who are upset.
maybe imply is the wrong word... hmm though idk what the term for figuring out a words definition using surrounding words is. And who knows maybe they were using if perfectly correctly. I guess i never picked up on the complete/exact definition just by hearing it used.BTW had to look up playing coy I guess ive heard it plenty of times but never knew the true definition just the implied one.
What do certain people "imply" when they say 'playing coy' that is different from the true definition?
A refund.
BTW had to look up playing coy I guess ive heard it plenty of times but never knew the true definition just the implied one.
What do certain people "imply" when they say 'playing coy' that is different from the true definition?
That they could be saying something, but they choose not to. It could be flirtatious, or in this case, mocking the people who are upset.
maybe imply is the wrong word... hmm though idk what the term for figuring out a words definition using surrounding words is. And who knows maybe they were using if perfectly correctly. I guess i never picked up on the complete/exact definition just by hearing it used.BTW had to look up playing coy I guess ive heard it plenty of times but never knew the true definition just the implied one.
What do certain people "imply" when they say 'playing coy' that is different from the true definition?
Context.
How about we keep this simple.
What is the current status of the GB?
Its alive and kicking especially since I said I had an update (I guess last tuesday, i guess I didnt think it was that long). I still have updates I guess even more now.
hey guys! looks round... wow a lot happens in a couple days doesnt it...
You should maybe, you know, post the updates you have? You say you have updates, then keep everyone in the dark. I didn't even order anything from you, and this annoys me. You have two "reserved" posts under your OP where you could post detailed updates with inventory received, status of what people ordered and if their order is complete except for assembly, etc.
I'm trying to help you here, but you need to help yourself by giving these people what they paid for.
Its alive and kicking especially since I said I had an update (I guess last tuesday, i guess I didnt think it was that long). I still have updates I guess even more now.
Then maybe, just maybe, instead of posting this:hey guys! looks round... wow a lot happens in a couple days doesnt it...
You should maybe, you know, post the updates you have? You say you have updates, then keep everyone in the dark. I didn't even order anything from you, and this annoys me. You have two "reserved" posts under your OP where you could post detailed updates with inventory received, status of what people ordered and if their order is complete except for assembly, etc.
I'm trying to help you here, but you need to help yourself by giving these people what they paid for.
You should maybe, you know, post the updates you have? You say you have updates, then keep everyone in the dark. I didn't even order anything from you, and this annoys me. You have two "reserved" posts under your OP where you could post detailed updates with inventory received, status of what people ordered and if their order is complete except for assembly, etc.
I'm trying to help you here, but you need to help yourself by giving these people what they paid for.
I agree. I didn't want to come in here, and jump on you because I didn't personally buy anything through you, but I know what it feels like when someone who you've given money to won't respond. Instead of posting about updates, just post the updates. Let people know the truth, even if it will upset them.
Managing people's expectations is critical in anything you do in life, not just in Group Buys.
As we've seen in other GBs, nothing goes perfectly according to plan, but letting folks know about any issues, delays, etc., goes a LONG way in keeping things running smooth. Most people here have demonstrated that as long as they are aware of what's going on, then they are more than patient -- even if it's bad news.
Recent experiences with R4 and Sanctuary fresh in everyone's mind has many people on edge not to have a repeat of that experience. A key factor in those other GBs was the lack of communication, so it's understandable that when people start to see the same level of non-communication, they start reaching for their torches.
Personally, when I look back at monies that I payed in February and the OP status is still showing "Invoicing" with little or no updates, I start to grow concerned. I don't want a refund, I just really want to know what the next step is and how's it going.
You've taken on a huge responsibility, so I can only imagine the weight that you're carrying, but there are people at the ready to help share the load. GeekHack is a fantastic community of volunteers with a rich and varied set of talents. Whatever the issues are -- even money -- there are plenty of people that are willing to lend a hand and help out.
We all want the same thing -- this GB to be a huge success.
Thank you. :-*
So to summarize:
- PLUs have been received
- Four bags of switches have been received
- Costar stabilizers have been ordered from WASD
- Bavman has said that the PCBs may ship to you today
- You're still sorting out a few issues regarding switches with 7bit
- How many bags were shipped
- Status of MX-White switches
I got a message today that says that greens and whites will be delivered in the last week of June.
Sorry for the delay of the switches, but it seems other parts take longer anyway.
Hey Prof,
I've found someone to take my switches instead of me. Are you able to simply change my details for his with the switches and then sort shipping out with him when it's time?
I got another bag of switches today, and just a warning you may not be hearing from me again until monday.
I got another bag of switches today, and just a warning you may not be hearing from me again until monday.
Good job at yet again replying and not answering the question.
The question was, "when are you planning on sending out the switches"?
When this started you said that you already had the clear switches and that those of us "me included" that ordered early wouldn't have to wait for backordered switches. well.... I've been waiting. What is the delay on shipping? If you don't like my questions feel free to just refund me my money, this is just getting annoying.
And still, no answer.
"Not being delayed" is not an answer to "when are you shipping them". I'm frankly just getting tired of this. Please just ship me my parts or refund me. I'm done with this.
I got another bag of switches today, and just a warning you may not be hearing from me again until monday.
If anyone wants to buy my spot in this group buy send me a PM. My order is for a fully assembled Phantom including all parts with Ergo Clears.
I got another bag of switches today, and just a warning you may not be hearing from me again until monday.
I got another bag of switches today, and just a warning you may not be hearing from me again until monday.
Any news or progress about shipping the parts? .....Its Tuesday.
I got another bag of switches today, and just a warning you may not be hearing from me again until monday.
Any news or progress about shipping the parts? .....Its Tuesday.
HaHa, thats funny!
OK, I'll update you all for prof,
Update:
things are happening, I'm really busy, you guys are going to be so excited when I break the news. OMG, just hold your horses, don't you know things are happening. BTW don't bother me, I'm really busy and I already told you things are happening. Jesus, what more do you want?
God, I'm busy, I'll update you all more later
TheProfosist i have bought from you 280 switches and 3 Costar stabs set, you will deliver them or prefer to refund?
If you want to deliver i want to know when.
Thanks.
I got another bag of switches today, and just a warning you may not be hearing from me again until monday.
Any news or progress about shipping the parts? .....Its Tuesday.
HaHa, thats funny!
OK, I'll update you all for prof,
Update:
things are happening, I'm really busy, you guys are going to be so excited when I break the news. OMG, just hold your horses, don't you know things are happening. BTW don't bother me, I'm really busy and I already told you things are happening. Jesus, what more do you want?
God, I'm busy, I'll update you all more later
ROFL funny man, just so you know I havnt replied to anyone or anything this week yet.
But, a big thanks to those who respected my post about being unavailable for GH stuff until the following monday. I appreciate not getting flooded while I dont have the ability or time to answer.
I think he's stated that he's not going to do any more after this is over.
That's good news, we're almost there. How about the Cherry stabs?
That's good news, we're almost there. How about the Cherry stabs?
looks like I need so find some wire and a bender. Anyone know where i can find some 1/16 in straight wire rod, cause im looked everywhere round here with no luck smallest I can find is 1/8 in.
That's good news, we're almost there. How about the Cherry stabs?
looks like I need so find some wire and a bender. Anyone know where i can find some 1/16 in straight wire rod, cause im looked everywhere round here with no luck smallest I can find is 1/8 in.
I have bent several stabilizer wires (Epsilon requires a non-standard length) and I would SERIOUSLY advice against this course. It is not at all easy, and very time consuming. Each wire takes me about a half hour to get right. Also, we paid for new stabilizer kits, not home-bent.
So you tell me to source parts, spend time and money on them, cover payment for a bunch of your parts, and now you're going to try to get your own elsewhere? What am I going to do with all this stuff that I already paid for?
I also highly advise against you making your own wires for everyone. It does take quite a bit of time to make them correctly and accurately because they need to be a certain tolerance for the stabilizers to not stick. Like metalliqaz said, It does take around 10-30min to measure, bend, clip, and test fitment for each one. You tell people you're really busy and to not bother you, what makes you think you'll have time to make over 50 wires? And judging from your worksmanship and attention to detail (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35864.msg854831#msg854831), I don't fully trust you'll make wires with exact dimensions.
Honestly, this was a huge waste of time and money trying to work with you. Several weeks, no reply to my PMs, and yet you still post around in the forums...
Everyone wants to just get out of this as soon as possible... including you, Prof. If WFD already has parts why not go with that? It has to be the quickest option.
Hi Prof,
I see you now have the "ability and time" to answer. Why don't you give us a real status update? Tell us why you're not sending out any parts?
Please don't even respond if you only intend on basically blowing everyone off who trusted you with their money.
Everyone wants to just get out of this as soon as possible... including you, Prof. If WFD already has parts why not go with that? It has to be the quickest option.
Money would be the reason.
Im not blowing anyone off. I am not shipping parts because I dont have them all.
As for an update as to when theyll ship, thats quite hard to say as I dont know when ill have the rest of the parts. And YES I am actively trying to get the rest in.
Im not blowing anyone off. I am not shipping parts because I dont have them all.
As for an update as to when theyll ship, thats quite hard to say as I dont know when ill have the rest of the parts. And YES I am actively trying to get the rest in.
Which parts don't you have? Green switches and Cherry stabs? These specific details are what people want when you post an update.
Also, do you have any orders where you have received everything? Post those in one of the two reserved spots under the OP. If someone is missing something that you are waiting on, put that in there, too.
For people who ordered parts only, and whose orders are complete, exactly when do you plan to ship them?
These are the questions to which people want answers when they ask for updates...
/me gets the Jiffy Pop.
I have to check the switchs I do have
Can you send our switches to Alaric ASAP ? I bought 90 Clear switches. Would really appreciate that. thanks
[00:17:06] *** Joins: TheProfosist (~TheProfos@CPE-65-29-170-100.wi.res.rr.com)I've omitted a user's join to the channel that does not have anything to do with the GB, just so he doesn't get wrapped in also. Just thought you guys should know though. I will be in contact with WFD regarding action after my finals next week. Hopefully, WFD and I can get this GB back on track.
[00:18:19] <SmallFry> TheProfosist, glad to see you
[00:18:28] <SmallFry> How is the GB coming?
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Quote from: IRC 5/31/13[00:17:06] *** Joins: TheProfosist (~TheProfos@CPE-65-29-170-100.wi.res.rr.com)I've omitted a user's join to the channel that does not have anything to do with the GB, just so he doesn't get wrapped in also. Just thought you guys should know though. I will be in contact with WFD regarding action after my finals next week. Hopefully, WFD and I can get this GB back on track.
[00:18:19] <SmallFry> TheProfosist, glad to see you
[00:18:28] <SmallFry> How is the GB coming?
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When will you ship my switches to WhiteFireDragon?
Last bag of switches has been sent last week. But white are still missing.
Sorry, the thing with the whites was my fault because I thought I had more. They are on preorder and should be delivered by the end of July.
You can't file a dispute anymore due to the time after sending the payment, I thought.
Profosist, please end our suffering and yours and turn this GB over to someone else.
just thought id say assembly is not a problem on my end what so ever, so people offering to build them does nothing to speed this up.
just thought id say assembly is not a problem on my end what so ever, so people offering to build them does nothing to speed this up.
How about them offering to come and ship the **** you need to send out?
just thought id say assembly is not a problem on my end what so ever, so people offering to build them does nothing to speed this up.
How about them offering to come and ship the **** you need to send out?
I can start shipping stuff out to people who just ordered switches using the switches I do have.
just thought id say assembly is not a problem on my end what so ever, so people offering to build them does nothing to speed this up.
How about them offering to come and ship the **** you need to send out?
I can start shipping stuff out to people who just ordered switches using the switches I do have.
I know this doesnt satisfy everyone but its a start?
just thought id say assembly is not a problem on my end what so ever, so people offering to build them does nothing to speed this up.
How about them offering to come and ship the **** you need to send out?
I can start shipping stuff out to people who just ordered switches using the switches I do have.
just thought id say assembly is not a problem on my end what so ever, so people offering to build them does nothing to speed this up.
How about them offering to come and ship the **** you need to send out?
I can start shipping stuff out to people who just ordered switches using the switches I do have.
As for mine 100 clear to alaricjls please.
You "can"?
You MUST do it NOW and refund what you can't deliver
If you don't have stabilizers you must refund them
Or this GB is just a scam
I can start shipping stuff out to people who just ordered switches using the switches I do have.
Really more people need to realize this. Here is a post over on DT that I think encapsulates this pretty well (though a very different situation)
You "can"?
You MUST do it NOW and refund what you can't deliver
If you don't have stabilizers you must refund them
Or this GB is just a scam
He MUST do it NOW? This is unreasonable. What we need is communication and ETAs. A GB doesn't become a scam at the snap of a finger.
I guess a real problem with the commercialization of group buys is that some people don't understand what a groupbuy is and how it works any more. With 7bit's group buy, I have problems understanding them myself.
You can see that from some reactions to 7bit's thread over there, saying this is private between 7bit and Kayliss and whatnot. You can also see it from some of the reactions in lysols GMK groupbuy thread on GH. And you can see it from the thread about the clear MX switches "GB" by pexon.
Some people seem to think that with groupbuy organizers making a profit, they can/should be treated like professional sellers.
On the other hand -- if you look at how some of today's group buys work, and 7bit's switch GBs (not round 4!) are a good example: from a normal member's viewpoint they are really hard to discern from a professional shop. There seems to be a stock of readily available switches, there's a professional ordering system, there's no transparency at all about the dealing of 7bit with his suppliers -- hell you don't even know who the suppliers are. You basically are told you enter a group buy without knowing where the organizer buys the merchandise, what prices he gets at what number of orders, at what point in time he has to pay for it, etc.. Only thing you get to know are preorder prices that the GB organizer seems to be able to prolong or deny more or less at will. This does look like a shop, not like gb any more to newer people. IMO there's a lack of transparency that can lead to the notion that these are professional undertakings.
With round 4 it was different in that there was a clear goal and a clear order to SP at some point in time, and people more or less knew what was going on. It was like you'd expect a group buy to be.
But even there, I for one never understood some aspects. in this case especially the whole handling of leftovers. I came to deskthority when the ordering phase of round 4 was already over, and there was a huge list of so-called leftovers in 7bit's system at that time. Where did the "stock" numbers come from, how were they even determined? Next, that "leftover" list diminished over time to almost nothing. Yet after the sorting phase, there suddenly were these 10.000 random keycaps that went into dummy sets. I mean, that's 1/4 of the volume of the whole GB! Why were these even made, and why weren't they in the leftover lists? And even after the dummy kits, 7bit seems to have enough leftover stuff to handle sorting errors and the like.
This is just an example, I'm sure 7bit has put a lot of thought into group buys and how to handle them that I just don't understand, and it might have been explained at some time in the 4000-posts thread of that GB during the last 2 years, but still -- to me these group buys need more transparency.
I don't want to excuse Kayliss's action, but I'm almost sure he didn't know what he was doing at all (and did't think a lot or ask a lot either of course). From the perspective of someone new to this, it's kind of hard to understand how this works and how a Paypal dispute can delay a whole GB.
All I want to say: there needs to be more explaining going on in the GBs, so people can build trust and discern them from all the commecial stuff that's going on GH. I mean look at pexon ... he clearly isn't interested in switches himself at all, he's a pro and he does this for profit, not even minding another GB on MX clears already going on. And from his reaction I'd even say he sees 7bit as just some other pro who competes against him.
Really more people need to realize this. Here is a post over on DT that I think encapsulates this pretty well (though a very different situation)
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760-1380.html (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760-1380.html)
Also, you want out? You need someone to buy your spot. That is how a GB works, this is not a store.
I know this doesnt satisfy everyone but its a start?
TheProfosist,
Based on your performance in this group buy and others you have started, I no longer wish to be involved in your Phantom Assembly service GB. I will be contracting with WFD for the assembly of my Phantom.
Since money is apparently an issue for you, I am not asking for a refund at this time because I don't believe that it will be forthcoming. I don't wish to pay again for assembly services, but I don't wish to delay this process any more than it already has.
My only requirement is that you mail the White PLU-87 with Cherry MX-Red switches that you claim to have received to WhiteFireDragon and provide me with the tracking number.
Please respond in a timely fashion that you have received this PM and that you will, or will not comply.
3. This isn't an isolated issue. TheProfosist's behavior in this assembly service and his ErgoDox assembly group buy seems to indicates that this is a pattern.
Also, you want out? You need someone to buy your spot. That is how a GB works, this is not a store.
That wasn't to you directly, that was to everyone else ITT who was backing out.Also, you want out? You need someone to buy your spot. That is how a GB works, this is not a store.
I don't want out, i repeated it many times:
I want my switches that he has in his hands
So difficult to understand?
For your switches, I think everyone gets what you want. Contacting TP is how you should go about this, not posting twice a day here. Yeah, he doesn't exactly respond, but the issue is with you and TP and as such we don't need those posts here.
Your characterization of this as a group buy and not a store is pretty generous.
So it's my problem and my personal issue with him?No, it's everyone's problem because we all want what we ordered but it is your personal issue.
Really funny
For your switches, I think everyone gets what you want. Contacting TP is how you should go about this, not posting twice a day here. Yeah, he doesn't exactly respond, but the issue is with you and TP and as such we don't need those posts here.
This is an issue with everyone in this GB.
I have my own suspicions about what is going on behind the scenes. I'll just say that I've seen the behavior pattern before. My goal now is to try and keep this thing moving forward so it doesn't implode. We all know that if it does, most of us will lose our money.
My goal now is to try and keep this thing moving forward so it doesn't implode.
Oh so 99 out of 100 people got their stuff from TP already? That's good to hear.:rolleyes: That's not what I was saying, though most people including yourself have not been scammed yet. He has the goods in your case so that problem is he is being an ass about the situation.
that metafour was not so good ...lolIt's 1:30PM and I'm still hungover. TT
I would say people have been scammed out of their time and are suffering from an increased level of stress due to how this is being handled. I don't think we have to define scamming as solely loss of money and goods.
I would say people have been scammed out of their time and are suffering from an increased level of stress due to how this is being handled. I don't think we have to define scamming as solely loss of money and goods.Won't argue that, though it is worth noting that there are people who ordered PCBs and plates directly that still don't have them. Switches though (not what) should be out. That I do not understand. Why post the picture if you're not going to have them sorted/shipped within a few days?
Won't argue that, though it is worth noting that there are people who ordered PCBs and plates directly that still don't have them. Switches though (not what) should be out. That I do not understand. Why post the picture if you're not going to have them sorted/shipped within a few days?
Please don't jump all off this group buy!
Even if he refunds you the money for the switches, you won't be able to get them anytime soon. I'm blocked by Round 4 and sold out at the moment. GH60 switches (NW-only anyway while Phantom needs NN) will take quite some while to be delivered and it is unclear when pexon gets close enough to 4000 to be able to order clears.
On the other hand, TheProfosist has them all there (except the whites which I can also ship directly when they arrived), so I'm quite sure he will still beat out anybody else in terms of delivery time and maybe even in price, as Cherry raised their prices quite a bit.
:-)
Agreed. Also, for people to stop making demands in the thread. I'm waiting on an ETA too but you don't see me *****ing on the forums about it.
Only on IRC :)
Agreed. Also, for people to stop making demands in the thread. I'm waiting on an ETA too but you don't see me *****ing on the forums about it.
Only on IRC :)
What are we supposed to do? It's clear Prof has completely checked out. Even after the push this weekend we didn't get any comment from him. He was online too, I checked. He's in hiding, and I don't intend to simply let this fade away with my money in his pocket.
Someone said 22 orders? 22x35 (min) = 875; unless im missing something. (This is nothing to do with me; just inputting some maths)Agreed. Also, for people to stop making demands in the thread. I'm waiting on an ETA too but you don't see me *****ing on the forums about it.
Only on IRC :)
What are we supposed to do? It's clear Prof has completely checked out. Even after the push this weekend we didn't get any comment from him. He was online too, I checked. He's in hiding, and I don't intend to simply let this fade away with my money in his pocket.
Is their a rough total of how much money has been put into this by members? I'm guessing it is a fairly large amount.
Much more than that. There is a spreadsheet in the OP if you were so inclined. $200 from me, though.$5996.35
What are we supposed to do? It's clear Prof has completely checked out. Even after the push this weekend we didn't get any comment from him. He was online too, I checked. He's in hiding, and I don't intend to simply let this fade away with my money in his pocket.
Much more than that. There is a spreadsheet in the OP if you were so inclined. $200 from me, though.$5996.35
That's what I got but it was quick copy pasting and excel work so no idea on the accuracy though it's a pretty good number just looking over it. That isn't including shipping.
EDIT - Also looks like bavman is sending out orders so this can't be held up for anybody except white switches...
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38441.msg915450#msg915450 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38441.msg915450#msg915450)
What I said yesterday about waiting to start the whole pitchfork thing, yeah, we're getting close.
Much more than that. There is a spreadsheet in the OP if you were so inclined. $200 from me, though.
I havnt checked out guys you should get a response from me tomorrow starting back with my other post. O and I received another bag of switches today from 7bit.
Hey guys sorry about not getting the response up, life has in no way going my way (murphy's law is a *****). I know what your going to think/say when i say this but ill do my best to post responses and reply to pms/emails before the start of next week. Before you ask I will most likely not be posting anything today as i wont be sitting down near a computer long enough to do so.
Hey guys sorry about not getting the response up, life has in no way going my way (murphy's law is a *****). I know what your going to think/say when i say this but ill do my best to post responses and reply to pms/emails before the start of next week. Before you ask I will most likely not be posting anything today as i wont be sitting down near a computer long enough to do so.
^^ this is better than nothing!
Whatever your dealing with, I hope this all gets worked out.
Hey guys sorry about not getting the response up, life has in no way going my way (murphy's law is a *****). I know what your going to think/say when i say this but ill do my best to post responses and reply to pms/emails before the start of next week. Before you ask I will most likely not be posting anything today as i wont be sitting down near a computer long enough to do so.
^^ this is better than nothing!
Whatever your dealing with, I hope this all gets worked out.
Not really. Just like the rest of his posts, you got ZERO information from this post.
Maybe he doesn't want to share his personal life with the world at large - myworld dominationsilver key-cap plan has been stalled since about the same time as profs issues started. I appreciated the difference being that I haven't a penny of other peoples hard earned cash, but even if I had things would still be going pretty damn slowly...
FYI, I just got an update from the prof
Sumation of update:
I always wondered why people were trusting him to build their keyboards when it took him half a year tomod**** up my capslock. And he never gave a refund for that either. It has been next to me on my desk ever since as a reminder to always mod stuff myself.
I always wondered why people were trusting him to build their keyboards when it took him half a year tomod**** up my capslock. And he never gave a refund for that either. It has been next to me on my desk ever since as a reminder to always mod stuff myself.
I've alluded to this before. Some of us who were around when he had his subforum remember this quite clearly. I believe he held other's caps for months without modding them. MONTHS.
profosist likes to disappear randomly every few months
I've alluded to this before. Some of us who were around when he had his subforum remember this quite clearly. I believe he held other's caps for months without modding them. MONTHS.
I thought that this buy would go well also, I didn't remember Prof going MIA before, so I hopped in on the GB. My appologies.
Heh, I'm just a sitting duck nowadays, he blocked me on gchat almost a month ago.lolololololololol
profosist likes to disappear randomly every few months
"Not live his life on geekhack"
I'm already picking up your slack. Tell me why you charge $8 for stabs and I need to sell for a loss? You keep the profit from assembly and parts while I have to do all your work? If you can't even pay me money that's not even part of the assembly and GB parts, money that you personally owe me, which you kept promising to pay me a long time ago, what makes me believe that you'll actually refund people for these parts once massdrop pays you?
I shortened this up as I didnt feel like re-writing everything I wrote before and lost.
what slack of mine are you picking up?
why i charged $8 is because thats what it was for the lowest tier + the cost of a wire from you. And I would love to keep the profit if i had any.
What do yo umean while I have to do all your work? I plan to build all the boards because I cant pay anyone.
The not haveing any money from the GB is 100% my poor planning aparently and not watching everything very carefully as I was paying for it, so ill attest to that. Ill get you the money for the stuff you have been holding for me as i just stated in my last PM but im have to sell the stuff, I hope thats alright with you. You dont have to believe me, no one every has any real reason to believe anyone, especially over the internet. All I have to say though is though I may take some time I have always gotten people their stuff or money in the end and though you may not believe me I never considered not getting them what I said I would.
The instant I have money from Massdrop I can send it to you instead if you wish then you can just refund the money you were sent (if your the one thats going to collect it). I dont know if thats any better or if anyone will even go for that idea/plan. I just want to do something that will will get this GB to the point where I can start shipping out parts and building keyboards. The sooner this happens the better, I need to get this GB over and outa my life.
What slack? Answering PMs from people that ask me what's going on. Reorganize my spreadsheet and bavman's spreadsheet where everything should go. There were also a bunch of people that requested for me to handle their package, rather than you handling it. I've been in back and forth communication with these guys, and it does take up my time work with them. I'm combining shipping for some of these packages, and will be sending it directly to them as requested, rather than passing it on to you. Some of them already went out. So even after all this, you still want me to send out individual PM to the whole GB, asking them to pay me directly for stabilizers, which you had already collected money for? Is it really my job to contact everyone, and mange payment again?
So all your personal stuff that I'm holding for you and helped you pay for them... basically you kept making empty promises of paying me back for them, then now you finally tell me you're going to sell it? You could have told me this 6 months ago or try to sell it a while ago so that my money isn't held up, and I'm not stuck with your personal stuff at my place. Now after you sell them, it's my time and responsibility to package and ship them out? Seriously... wtf is this...
Your last response was the first one in a while that you actually said something. But you still need to be more specific, because I need to know, and I'm sure everyone else would like to know as well. You've collected all payments already, and even more than what the parts costs since they've already paid for the assembly fees. Where did all this money go if you did not spend it for your personal things? If 7bit charged you more for switches than what he initially said, you shouldn't have placed the order until you worked out the budget. How much did you end up paying for the switches? How much were the PLU keyboards? How many ergo-dox do you need to assemble, and how much total money is massdrop paying you? Did people already pay you for the shipping costs in advance? If you can't even find the time to give updates or respond, how are you going to have time to build everything and package/ship them out? Just do some quick number crunching man. I don't think what massdrop will pay you, will be enough to cover all your "debt". You still need to pay for stabilizers, (shipping to each person?), and personal money you owe me.
How much money is he out? Kind of sucks I'll have my GH60 before this.
White switches + assembly....How much money is he out? Kind of sucks I'll have my GH60 before this.
I kinda doubt that you'll have a GH60 before this phantom
$0.60 - MXBLACK (MX1A-11NN) - BACKORDERED
$0.60 - MXBLUE (MX1A-E1NN)
$0.60 - MXBROWN (MX1A-G1NN)
$0.60 - MXRED (MX1A-L1NN)
$0.60 - MXCLEAR (MX1A-C1NN) - BACKORDERED
$0.85 - MXGREEN (MX1A-F1NN)
$0.65 - MXWHITE (MX1A-A1NN) - BACKORDERED
$0.85 - MXGREY (MX1A-D1NN)
$0.85 - MXDARKGREY (MX1A-21NN)
$4.25 - MXLOCK (MX1A-31NN) - BACKORDERED
I'm out.
I'm out.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/caxi9Xe.gif)
Go away, kiddo.
well... that would certainly explain the lack of money...
You can view your order here please pm me if you need to change anything http://tinyurl.com/afxd5o8
You can view your order here please pm me if you need to change anything http://tinyurl.com/afxd5o8
Quick number crunching. According to this spreadsheet, he has collected $6004 + paypal fees. He still has not ordered stabilizers ($456), LEDs ($156), still owes 7bit ($132), and still owes me ($225). That is a $969 deficit. Assuming no parts were for profit, he still collected $1255 in assembly fees.
So basically that is $2,224 that is unaccounted for. Either a terrible miscalculation on his part, or that GB money he collected was spent on personal things. I just cannot believe this.... someone check my math.
After paying the rest, there are still $228.54 left.
There is most certainly a way to save this GB. But the only person who could do it is TheProfosist himself. He needs to visit his bank and take out a personal loan. Then he could ship out the parts he has on hand, and refund people who have requested it. If he can't handle the assembly services himself, he needs to contract with someone else to take over that work, and pay them the money he has already collected for assembly. Then he can pay back the loan on his own, without tying up other people's money or goods while he gets his finances in order.
at what point do we fill out a police report?
SF has said something like Prof doesn't want to build ErgoDoxes until he has all the parts from this Phantom GB.I apologize for any confusion, but I don't think that Prof can assemble the eDoxen currently due to not having all the parts from Massdrop, not this GB.
Willing to just cut losses and pay him to ship my PLU-87 somewhere else
Actually it is a serious matter, Fraud, theft, whatever, once you cross $400 or $500 I forget which. Then you have crossing multiple state lines. To the laymen it may not seem like much, but $6000 over multiple state lines is more serious than you may think.
He obviously owes money but that may be a poor representation on how much money he actually collected.You can view your order here please pm me if you need to change anything http://tinyurl.com/afxd5o8
Quick number crunching. According to this spreadsheet, he has collected $6004 + paypal fees. He still has not ordered stabilizers ($456), LEDs ($156), still owes 7bit ($132), and still owes me ($225). That is a $969 deficit. Assuming no parts were for profit, he still collected $1255 in assembly fees.
So basically that is $2,224 that is unaccounted for. Either a terrible miscalculation on his part, or that GB money he collected was spent on personal things. I just cannot believe this.... someone check my math.
He ordered fewer switches as in the graphic (3939 instead of 4755).
Some people did not pay or jumped off, but he did not update the list.
I'm not sure if this had any effect on volume rebates. Did not effect the switches however, as the price stayed the same.
Is he on crack?
He answered to my mail and he state he will ship my items "soon as I borrowed a accurate enough scale to weigh the switches and just bought some batteries for it (gah button batteries are way too expensive)."
Have i to to laugh or to cry?
I have some IRC logs from last night, but I was a bit pissy. I can post them later if you guys want. TL;DR He still claims he can assemble the boards and that he will find money for stabs to assemble them. He has no idea where the stab money is coming from.
I asked for a refund before this thing blew up since he hadn't even ordered the stabs or leds. I only ordered one stab set and two leds so I don't see the harm in that but of course no response what so ever :) hard to do of course when you have no money..
It's like we're having to deal with a child that won't come out of his room. I keep thinking that we should call his daddy and have him sort this thing all out.
I hope he can do math and count the switches ASAP.
I hope he can do math and count the switches ASAP.
Maybe we can have a whip round to buy him something like this
http://www.shimadzu.com/an/balance/analytical/auw-d.html
He doesn't need a scale. He simply needs to spend 30 seconds counting each lot out.
I count switches by putting them in piles of 5, 4 across. That's 20 per row, and it's a very easy and accurate method. It takes barely any time at all.I count them by pairs.
If he's counting switches by weighing them, then people aren't going to get the amount they paid for. They'll be getting +/- a few.
I hope he can do math and count the switches ASAP.
Maybe we can have a whip round to buy him something like this
http://www.shimadzu.com/an/balance/analytical/auw-d.html
He doesn't need a scale. He simply needs to spend 30 seconds counting each lot out.
Guys I am alive (contrary to some beliefs) and I wont let you guys be boned (no matter how much some of you seem to want to be). If any of you have read the pm that WFD *kindly* posted. This should include my idea to get all of you guys your stabs. This will allow me to ship them and start building boards. So, im looking for someone to kindly collect the money via goods and send to WFD as gift.
So, im looking for someone to kindly collect the money via goods and send to WFD as gift.
Why would you ship him even more switches?... He just roughly weighed the bags, so I am 99% sure they are in there (7bit is slow, but you ALWAYS get your switches).
I know it's not anyone else's responsibility, but someone should go over there and document everything (and slap him). And maybe just take everything so it can be shipped to it's rightful owners. Then he could just be banned from the Classifieds, GroupBuys, and Interest Checks until he pays back EVERYTHING he owes to everybody. Maybe get his parents involved as well so they can shake the money out of their son.
It's not B&E if you are just retrieving stolen property, and since when is a slap assault?
PENAL CODE
TITLE 5. OFFENSES AGAINST THE PERSON
CHAPTER 22. ASSAULTIVE OFFENSES
Sec. 22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;
(2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or
(3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.
It's not B&E if you are just retrieving stolen property, and since when is a slap assault?Slapping someone over hear can we perceived as assault, you can be taken to court for it.
It's not B&E if you are just retrieving stolen property, and since when is a slap assault?Slapping someone over here can be perceived as assault, you can be taken to court for it.
All Blue, Brown, Red, Clear, and Green switches have been accounted for by weight. Also I checked everywhere and have received no Grey, Dark Grey, or Lock switches at this time and will be PMing 7bit about this right after this post goes up.send mine to alaric assap thanks.
Got a life-sign from TheProfosist: He can't find the 2 MX lock and the 22 dark greys. I'm not sure if he did not find them because he did not open the bags when weighting or if I really forgot these, but to speed up things I will ship these today.
He also asked me about greys, but he did not order them.
Did some of you order greys?
Got a life-sign from TheProfosist: He can't find the 2 MX lock and the 22 dark greys. I'm not sure if he did not find them because he did not open the bags when weighting or if I really forgot these, but to speed up things I will ship these today.
He also asked me about greys, but he did not order them.
Did some of you order greys?
me, now he have to refund, RIGHT?
All Blue, Brown, Red, Clear, and Green switches have been accounted for by weight. Also I checked everywhere and have received no Grey, Dark Grey, or Lock switches at this time and will be PMing 7bit about this right after this post goes up.
Guys I am alive (contrary to some beliefs) and I wont let you guys be boned (no matter how much some of you seem to want to be). If any of you have read the pm that WFD *kindly* posted. This should include my idea to get all of you guys your stabs. This will allow me to ship them and start building boards. So, im looking for someone to kindly collect the money via goods and send to WFD as gift.
For civil remedy, probably the best way to start would be to send what is called a "demand letter" to him, via certified mail, return receipt requested. That would at least go to show a small claims court that you had pursued your available options toward getting your money returned or goods sent. If you need his address, I'm sure someone has done business with him here before, and could possibly have that information. Or maybe just a good internet search.
Surely the amount of requests for information would cover the demand letter eventuality?For civil remedy, probably the best way to start would be to send what is called a "demand letter" to him, via certified mail, return receipt requested. That would at least go to show a small claims court that you had pursued your available options toward getting your money returned or goods sent. If you need his address, I'm sure someone has done business with him here before, and could possibly have that information. Or maybe just a good internet search.
If someone wants to do this, as part of my payment was my Vortex aluminum case that I sent to him so I should have a record of his address.For civil remedy, probably the best way to start would be to send what is called a "demand letter" to him, via certified mail, return receipt requested. That would at least go to show a small claims court that you had pursued your available options toward getting your money returned or goods sent. If you need his address, I'm sure someone has done business with him here before, and could possibly have that information. Or maybe just a good internet search.
For civil remedy, probably the best way to start would be to send what is called a "demand letter" to him, via certified mail, return receipt requested. That would at least go to show a small claims court that you had pursued your available options toward getting your money returned or goods sent. If you need his address, I'm sure someone has done business with him here before, and could possibly have that information. Or maybe just a good internet search.
If someone wants to do this, as part of my payment was my Vortex aluminum case that I sent to him so I should have a record of his address.
sigh....
My LZ-GH longs for switches...
Fixed
Don't worry guys. I've received stuff in the mail. I don't know why you're all getting so mad. I've been updating all the time. I already told you all that I got stuff in the mail.
BTW, I"m really busy, so I don't know if I'll be able to update again for a while. I hope that satisfies all you detail starved people out there.
I don't live my life on GH, I'm just logged in 24/7.
Sweet jesus, can we please stop bumping the thread with the same garbage about shipping to alaric
Sweet jesus, can we please stop bumping the thread with the same garbage about shipping to alaric
I told him I'll pay for the postage to Alaric and all he needs to do only count and send it out. I don't see why I shouldn't keep remind him to do it as time is money and I'll only be in hometown for another 2 months. And fyi if you think it's garbage then ignore it.
Sweet jesus, can we please stop bumping the thread with the same garbage about shipping to alaric
I told him I'll pay for the postage to Alaric and all he needs to do only count and send it out. I don't see why I shouldn't keep remind him to do it as time is money and I'll only be in hometown for another 2 months. And fyi if you think it's garbage then ignore it.
Same here, I've instructed him to send out my Clears with the money I paid for the assembly (which is more than enough) in many PMs.
Might need to find another source for switches, so I get my LZGH in this lifetime.
Wait, what? Even more of a reason I want it shipped to me and not TP. God knows if it ends up with him if I'll ever get it.Sweet jesus, can we please stop bumping the thread with the same garbage about shipping to alaric
I told him I'll pay for the postage to Alaric and all he needs to do only count and send it out. I don't see why I shouldn't keep remind him to do it as time is money and I'll only be in hometown for another 2 months. And fyi if you think it's garbage then ignore it.
Same here, I've instructed him to send out my Clears with the money I paid for the assembly (which is more than enough) in many PMs.
Might need to find another source for switches, so I get my LZGH in this lifetime.
The money you paid for assembly is apparently long gone. Seems he was irresponsible and spent it, along with shipping money, etc.
I told him I'll pay for the postage to Alaric and all he needs to do only count and send it out. I don't see why I shouldn't keep remind him to do it as time is money and I'll only be in hometown for another 2 months.
Does anyone want to buy my spot on this one? I have clears coming.
Does anyone want to buy my spot on this one? I have clears coming.I really doubt that.
wtf is going on here? I've been gone a week and not a single peep? Can we please proceed with extra-forum strategies?
Let TheProfosist go down in history as the most shamed GH'er ever, with fewer friends than Ripster. What a punk
I have no part in this other than I had some interest in buying out a build at one point but now that option is looking very bleak.
Is there nothing that can be done? When does the scammer label come out?
If this isn't ripping people off then I don't know what is.
I know for the prof something(s) had to have happened in real life that were unavoidable but to let it turn into this, it is just awful.
There is always another side to a story and I really try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
There has just been a lot negative things going on around geekhack lately and I think it's bringing everybody down.
The thing is, he has reported that he has some of the parts, so if he actually did buy them then he hasn't really made much, only that on assembly. Makes no sense why he won't ship it though.There is always another side to a story and I really try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
There has just been a lot negative things going on around geekhack lately and I think it's bringing everybody down.
We delved too deep and too greedily. Prof took advantage. I got burned out, too. Just need to tie up this loose end and a few others.
Prof is ~25.
A couple of weeks ago, I found TheProfosist on the IRC channel and had a brief conversation with. Unfortunately I don't have a log of the conversation, but he was too distracted with the E3 announcements he was watching to do much in the way of answering my questions.
I tried to confirm that he had the PLU keyboards and see if he would ship it to me so that I could build up the board myself, but I never got a straight answer. Since then, I haven't seen him on IRC.
I assume he lives with his parents. Does anyone happen to know how old he is?
Because some people asked me about direct shipping of whites, once I got them:
I did not ship any whites (628), locks (2) or dark greys (22) yet.
He paid me 224.13 EUR more than I've shipped, so in theory I could ship switches directly for 4 EUR extra (or free if you paid TheAmateurist for shipping already) until the positive balance is used up.
The only problem is to know if you really paid and nothing got refunded etc.
According to the wiki, there are 23 dark greys ordered, one too many.
628 whites matches with what TheAmateurist ordered from me.
3 locks is one too many.
MXDARKGREY:
15|KuhnTang
4|Germiphene
1|longweight
2|isman
1|Oproer
23
7bit knows this already, as I've been messaging him about it, but I've also ordered 100 MX Whites.
Does anyone else who was supposed to have helped him (WFD, SmallFry, ...) happen to have an official paid list? Or was such a list made solely by Prof?
Refund the switches that you have never ordered
The whites are a difference of $.07 per switch yes (€.55($.72) and you were quoted €.55($.65))? If so I hope those that ordered those have no trouble paying the difference. It's like $7 for 100 switches and despite how people may feel, it's not fair to lose out on money because of price changes.
Where are the money we gave to you?
Where did all the money go?
Where are the money we gave to you?Where did all the money go?
Into higher prices and exchange rate changes is my best guess at this point.
So what is the next step? We have been stuck in the same spot now which seems like forever.
The whites are a difference of $.07 per switch yes (€.55($.72) and you were quoted €.55($.65))? If so I hope those that ordered those have no trouble paying the difference. It's like $7 for 100 switches and despite how people may feel, it's not fair to lose out on money because of price changes.
Im working on sending out some PMs and Emails as we speak after that im going to get caught back up on the thread as it seems it gotten awfully personal.
The whites are a difference of $.07 per switch yes (€.55($.72) and you were quoted €.55($.65))? If so I hope those that ordered those have no trouble paying the difference. It's like $7 for 100 switches and despite how people may feel, it's not fair to lose out on money because of price changes.
The latest spreadsheet has been in Google Docs and as a downloadable Excel file for some time. Included is everyone who has ordered and paid which has been that way since 2 months after the GB finished. That should have been done much sooner and was one of the first mistakes on my parts for the GB.
The latest spreadsheet has been in Google Docs and as a downloadable Excel file for some time. Included is everyone who has ordered and paid which has been that way since 2 months after the GB finished. That should have been done much sooner and was one of the first mistakes on my parts for the GB.
Just wanted to point this out for anyone who might have missed it - Prof has clarified that all of us listed have paid.
I also wouldn't mind paying some small difference to compensate for exchange rate/higher Cherry costs/shipping directly to me (I paid Prof $67.28 USD for 100 MX Whites on February 1).
So what is the next step? We have been stuck in the same spot now which seems like forever.
I have already started contacting people about the next step
Only a sucker would give him more money.
Hahahaha, go ahead and send him all the money you like. This should compensate him for all the hard work he's been putting into this GB. It's not easy sending updates and packages as frequently as he does. You're right, we should all send him more money!
For all of you getting excited that prof showed his face in the thread again, I will offer you an option to buy my spot. You can have my spot for 80% of what I paid for it.
Into higher prices and exchange rate changes is my best guess at this point.
Amount | Item |
$3,001.35 | Switches |
$960 | PLU-87 Keyboards (12 in all) |
$1,255 | Assembly Services (basic, spring swap, lubed and desoldering) |
$632 | Stabilizers (that were never purchased |
$156 | LED swap outs |
$6,004.35 | Total Received Payments |
If I would have managed this better that wouldnt have been a problem but o wells. Its only another $45 or so total on all 628 switches.
I did everything no one helped me with anything and am glad I did that way no one it getting dragged down with me.
Im working on sending out some PMs and Emails as we speak after that im going to get caught back up on the thread as it seems it gotten awfully personal.
Guys I am alive (contrary to some beliefs) and I wont let you guys be boned (no matter how much some of you seem to want to be).
Hey guys sorry about not getting the response up, life has in no way going my way (murphy's law is a *****). I know what your going to think/say when i say this but ill do my best to post responses and reply to pms/emails before the start of next week. Before you ask I will most likely not be posting anything today as i wont be sitting down near a computer long enough to do so.
I havnt checked out guys you should get a response from me tomorrow starting back with my other post. O and I received another bag of switches today from 7bit.
I can start shipping stuff out to people who just ordered switches using the switches I do have.
Im not blowing anyone off. I am not shipping parts because I dont have them all.
As for an update as to when theyll ship, thats quite hard to say as I dont know when ill have the rest of the parts. And YES I am actively trying to get the rest in.
ROFL funny man, just so you know I havnt replied to anyone or anything this week yet.
But, a big thanks to those who respected my post about being unavailable for GH stuff until the following monday. I appreciate not getting flooded while I dont have the ability or time to answer.
ok here are some verbal updates (I know many you want pictures as well thell be soonish to follow)
hey guys! looks round... wow a lot happens in a couple days doesnt it...
guys Ill get an update, info, replies, and stuff tomorrow I have good news (I think) and yes I was overloaded but not anymore (I think). Yes, i am currently busy but with GH stuff for the most part.
If your worried about this not getting done dont worry it will as I have stopped most of my life to straighten this and other GH stuff out properly. On another note I will never be running another GB but will continue with assembly for those who want be to build their board but never a full blown service ever most likely.
everything metalliqaz said is correct as of Sun May 5th at 1600
Does this mean you're sending out all our orders?some of them will go out soon, for the people that only ordered parts that is.
yo dudes whats up? I have recovered and am getting back on this today. I have some more inventory that I havnt been able to update you about. Expect a update either late today or tomorrow once I have organized/figured/etc.
Well said mashby!
He hasn't even come up with anything to defend himself... He's got his money. He doesn't care anymore...I'm not going to lie, I was super excited when I got an email and a PM but nothing came of it. I just want my switches (white, so he doesn't have those from 7bit) and luckily won't have trouble getting my PCB and plate (he doesn't have those either). Guess I'm out stabilizers and assembly.
Will a Paypal dispute do anything?
yea the euro price went up a bit and its been so long the exchange rates been all over the place so thats got something to do with this as well.
The longer this goes on, the more it looks to be like another Changdrew GB scam: endless excuses and stalling, eventually doesn't respond, people get angered, he eventually gets banned, and that seals the fate of people's money.I'm good with that, almost prefer it because he disappeared again so quickly. Luckily 7bit has my switches so if I can get those from him I only miss out on stabs/assembly. Do you know where we could get stabilizers?
I have all your phantom plates and PCBs (I told bavman to send them to me regardless of what Prof said to try to stop it). If this is still a stalemate in a week, I'll start sending them out if you want to cut your losses. For any other parts you paid for, including the assembly fees, there's nothing I can do about that.yea the euro price went up a bit and its been so long the exchange rates been all over the place so thats got something to do with this as well.
There is obviously more to this than you want to say. Sure exchange rates can fluctuate, but they don't swing 300% at a time. There is a few thousand dollars that are unaccounted for, and it's not exchange rates, especially when you haven't even ordered everything yet.
yea the euro price went up a bit and its been so long the exchange rates been all over the place so thats got something to do with this as well.
There is obviously more to this than you want to say. Sure exchange rates can fluctuate, but they don't swing 300% at a time. There is a few thousand dollars that are unaccounted for, and it's not exchange rates, especially when you haven't even ordered everything yet.
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Guys I really would appreciate it if you stopped some of these more personal posts.
Additionally since all of you seem to have major problems with your orders please pm or email me about this. I dont seem to get many of either of these despite all the issues every one is haveing. Please try to be realistic with your requests when contacting me about your order.
For those of you with no stake in the groupbuy, the participants of this groupbuy seem to be handeling this themselves perfectly fine.
I know at this point many of you will just shrug this off but I fully intend on fixing this GB to the best of my current means and as reasonably quick as possible. Please be on the lookout for pm's and email's from me in the coming days as I try to resolve this and start shipping what I do have on hand.
Note: I will be putting this on the first page of this thread as I think I have some extra/open posts there. If not I will be modifying the OP.
Guys I really would appreciate it if you stopped some of these more personal posts.
Additionally since all of you seem to have major problems with your orders please pm or email me about this. I dont seem to get many of either of these despite all the issues every one is haveing. Please try to be realistic with your requests when contacting me about your order.
For those of you with no stake in the groupbuy, the participants of this groupbuy seem to be handeling this themselves perfectly fine.
I know at this point many of you will just shrug this off but I fully intend on fixing this GB to the best of my current means and as reasonably quick as possible. Please be on the lookout for pm's and email's from me in the coming days as I try to resolve this and start shipping what I do have on hand.
Note: I will be putting this on the first page of this thread as I think I have some extra/open posts there. If not I will be modifying the OP.
I know at this point many of you will just shrug this off but I fully intend on fixing this GB to the best of my current means and as reasonably quick as possible. Please be on the lookout for pm's and email's from me in the coming days as I try to resolve this and start shipping what I do have on hand.
I always wondered why people were trusting him to build their keyboards when it took him half a year tomod**** up my capslock. And he never gave a refund for that either. It has been next to me on my desk ever since as a reminder to always mod stuff myself.
I want to say something really really snide right now, but to cut it short.
Prof, if you see this.. There was a young man who fought with you to try and get this all resolved. Do the right thing and be better because of him.
Additionally since all of you seem to have major problems with your orders please pm or email me about this. I dont seem to get many of either of these despite all the issues every one is haveing. Please try to be realistic with your requests when contacting me about your order.
EVERYONE and ANYONE:
Post all the personal information you can, lets start with his name and address.
EVERYONE and ANYONE:I have both and no. I've given out this to one person and one person only so that we can do this in an organized and legal matter. I'm sorry, but with how some of you are handling an online forum I know we'll end up with pitchforks if you're given info.
Post all the personal information you can, lets start with his name and address.
well, I would qualify losing money to him as "dealings", so shouldn't I have it?Dealings and in buy/sell w/ paypal. I'm 99% sure if you're invoiced it does not show you the address of the invoice-er.
well, I would qualify losing money to him as "dealings", so shouldn't I have it?Dealings and in buy/sell w/ paypal. I'm 99% sure if you're invoiced it does not show you the address of the invoice-er.
Elliot [REDACTED] -A name holds no powerI googled his name and his real address showed up, so it does hold some power... A first name can't be tied to an address though.
There are quite a few people who know his address (myself included), but those that haven't had dealings with him shouldn't know his address so I wont post it. I don't want people calling in pizzas and ****, were better than that.
I'm looking at my phantom invoice right now and you're right. That said, I still say we should only have one point of contact.well, I would qualify losing money to him as "dealings", so shouldn't I have it?Dealings and in buy/sell w/ paypal. I'm 99% sure if you're invoiced it does not show you the address of the invoice-er.
False.
That said, I still say we should only have one point of contact.
Additionally since all of you seem to have major problems with your orders please pm or email me about this. I dont seem to get many of either of these despite all the issues every one is haveing. Please try to be realistic with your requests when contacting me about your order.
At this point I think members are looking for some transparency. This idea that everyone should email or PM you lets you continue to hide behind saying that you are PM'ing and emailing people involved with this group buy when it seems that is not actually happening. There have been some direct questions asked of you in this thread; questions that are of import to lots of people involved that you should just answer in a open manner in this thread. If you really intend to make this right just be open and honest about what you have, where the money went and give a timeline of what is going to happen from your end. Do this now, in this thread so everyone can see it openly. You continue to say you're going to make this right but your actions show otherwise.
I'm not sure what your definition of realistic is compared to those whose money you have but asking you to ship the stuff they've paid you for is a realistic request that you just can't seem to follow through on so I'm not sure what you expect of them at this point.
We're taking this all the way to Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown if he doesn't step up to the plate!
Actually, I believe the recourse that is being pursued is small claims court and there are steps necessary before one can file and that is what I believe is being worked on.
Elliot [REDACTED] -A name holds no powerI googled his name and his real address showed up, so it does hold some power... A first name can't be tied to an address though.
There are quite a few people who know his address (myself included), but those that haven't had dealings with him shouldn't know his address so I wont post it. I don't want people calling in pizzas and ****, were better than that.
We're taking this all the way to Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown if he doesn't step up to the plate!
Actually, I believe the recourse that is being pursued is small claims court and there are steps necessary before one can file and that is what I believe is being worked on.
Not sure if you read what i said as an analyst--So who from geekhack AND Paypal are going to give a deposition against prof? Who from geekhack and paypal are going to provide defensible records? Your printed out invoices, conversations, bank records, etc are NOT defensible and that information needs to come from paypal and geekhack directly. Paypal has arbitration rules you consent to, Prof even without an attorney could easily bring this up and it would be over. Even small claims court in Wisconsin follows the same basic rules as any other court. It will go nowhere.
Elliot [REDACTED] -A name holds no powerI googled his name and his real address showed up, so it does hold some power... A first name can't be tied to an address though.
There are quite a few people who know his address (myself included), but those that haven't had dealings with him shouldn't know his address so I wont post it. I don't want people calling in pizzas and ****, were better than that.
I dunno, if he's this broke, maybe he can look at it like "free meals"
(obv joking)
Elliot [REDACTED] -A name holds no powerI googled his name and his real address showed up, so it does hold some power... A first name can't be tied to an address though.
There are quite a few people who know his address (myself included), but those that haven't had dealings with him shouldn't know his address so I wont post it. I don't want people calling in pizzas and ****, were better than that.
you found it online via google? I just tried and am having trouble, maybe im just bad at google. Mind PMing or Emailing me how/where you found it im very intrigued because I didnt think I put it up anywhere public as i think most people like my self would avoid doing that.
Elliot [REDACTED] -A name holds no powerI googled his name and his real address showed up, so it does hold some power... A first name can't be tied to an address though.
There are quite a few people who know his address (myself included), but those that haven't had dealings with him shouldn't know his address so I wont post it. I don't want people calling in pizzas and ****, were better than that.
you found it online via google? I just tried and am having trouble, maybe im just bad at google. Mind PMing or Emailing me how/where you found it im very intrigued because I didnt think I put it up anywhere public as i think most people like my self would avoid doing that.
Give me my $14.21 back with a gift payment and I will. It took me less than 2 minutes to find you on google with your full name.
I wonder if his phone number listed on the site is still valid...
That was for my capslock you ****ed up, not this GB.
I may text it in a bit.
That was for my capslock you ****ed up, not this GB.
I may text it in a bit.
o well sorry about that ages ago but right now this GB is by and far priority. once this is over and cleaned up to the best of my ability ill see what I can do about it. please if you could only complain about on the phantom GB here. Please create a new thread for stuff like that or something. im sure there is enough you can talk about with how long i have been on GH.
That was for my capslock you ****ed up, not this GB.
I may text it in a bit.
o well sorry about that ages ago but right now this GB is by and far priority. once this is over and cleaned up to the best of my ability ill see what I can do about it. please if you could only complain about on the phantom GB here. Please create a new thread for stuff like that or something. im sure there is enough you can talk about with how long i have been on GH.
Technically the only thing you could do now is refund my money, but my capslock will be forever ****ed.
I wonder how many times you've told people to start another thread. Anyone have a count?
Also did you receive my text? Is that number that's listed online yours?
If you hated modding keys so much, then why were you the only one offering that service?...
Maybe it's your home phone number then. I did not receive a reply. XXX-XXX-5463
Edit: That number may have actually been mine quite a while ago.
Huh, then why is your name and address associated with it?... Weird... I wonder what the response will be if someone currently has that number...Edit: That number may have actually been mine quite a while ago.
Well that would explain it.
Prof, if you see this.. There was a young man who fought with you to try and get this all resolved. Do the right thing and be better because of him.
Regarding what Binge posted: What if it had been you? How would you be remembered?
Prof, if you see this.. There was a young man who fought with you to try and get this all resolved. Do the right thing and be better because of him.Regarding what Binge posted: What if it had been you? How would you be remembered?
I like both of you, but invoking SmallFry's death to get this resolved is ****ing despicable and you should be ashamed of yourselves. Do not cheapen his memory.
Prof, if you see this.. There was a young man who fought with you to try and get this all resolved. Do the right thing and be better because of him.Regarding what Binge posted: What if it had been you? How would you be remembered?
I like both of you, but invoking SmallFry's death to get this resolved is ****ing despicable and you should be ashamed of yourselves. Do not cheapen his memory.
Huh, then why is your name and address associated with it?... Weird... I wonder what the response will be if someone currently has that number...Edit: That number may have actually been mine quite a while ago.
Well that would explain it.
yea sorry forgot that I was forced to get a new number quite a number of years ago.
Also, I'm going to go a little off topic here. I think in light of recent tragic events, I think we should all reflect on how we behave online and in our relationships with others. None of us have been guaranteed anything in this life. We should all be a little more concerned with how we interact with others, and try to live up to the example SmallFry set.
I sent him like 10 PMs over the last months. Last one was 20 Minutes agoThis maybe your problem then, everyone spamming him with PM's? (Not defending him) but I'd imagine hes got hundreds.
Based on the attitudes of some people in this thread, they most likely aren't getting any answers and are starting to get pissed.
Honestly all he really needs to do is update one of the OPs with information about the stock he has, what he's currently doing to get this group buy on track, and some kind of timeline that he's shooting for to get this off his plate.
If he posted information such as this it would quell many people's problems with this group buy for a short period, at least.
He did update the second post just in case anyone missed it.
I got a few responses from him initially. He claims that he will send me what he has. He was going back and forth "responding", until I asked him what he plans on doing about the items he doesn't have, ie LED's, stabs, grey's, and whites. No response after that. Does he think it's OK to screw us out of the parts we paid for simply because he admitted he can't handle a GB? I'm glad you had this revelation Prof, but I assure you I'm going to stay angry until I get what I paid for or a refund. And yes, now I have your personal information.
Offering free assembly for ppl in canada, just pay shipping costs.
Shoot me a pm if interested ^_^
Hey guys I need you to send me a PM if you intend to have stuff shipped to alaricljs or WhiteFireDragon for some sort of assembly. They have asked me to ship everyone going to either of them together.Everyone should post the assembly option openly in this thread for accountability instead of PMing. Doing so allows the OP to continue misleading everyone.
He did not specify what was shipped, who it was shipped to, and the tracking numbers. And only 4 boxes is quite a pitiful amount considering how many months he's had.
4 boxes were just dropped off at the Post Office.
4 boxes were just dropped off at the Post Office.
He did not specify what was shipped, who it was shipped to, and the tracking numbers. And only 4 boxes is quite a pitiful amount considering how many months he's had.
He did not specify what was shipped, who it was shipped to, and the tracking numbers. And only 4 boxes is quite a pitiful amount considering how many months he's had.
Didn't we establish that you're not even on this buy? Gtfo this thread please, you're not helping anything.
Post all you like Ed. I don't understand why anyone who has been **** on would have a problem with it. Prof sent out 4 packages, OMG, what a saint. thats 4 out of how many? How late? Even then, I'm sure they're incomplete packages.
BTW ed. If you knew we were going to get F'd on this, I would have appreciated the threadcrapping so that I would have known to stay away. Please, let us know in advance next time.
I have gotten the pieces of my phantom from prof, and I'm retrieving the rest from WFD. Plate + PCB and more will be up for sale for anyone who wants a phantom.
I have gotten the pieces of my phantom from prof, and I'm retrieving the rest from WFD. Plate + PCB and more will be up for sale for anyone who wants a phantom.
I have gotten the pieces of my phantom from prof, and I'm retrieving the rest from WFD. Plate + PCB and more will be up for sale for anyone who wants a phantom.
What plate did you order?
I have gotten the pieces of my phantom from prof, and I'm retrieving the rest from WFD. Plate + PCB and more will be up for sale for anyone who wants a phantom.
What plate did you order?
please PM him about this stuff if you could, is just that I would like to keep this thread things only pertaining to the GB if at all possible, thanks
please PM him about this stuff if you could, is just that I would like to keep this thread things only pertaining to the GB if at all possible, thankshere's something pertaining to the GB
To those who received items:
Did the OP enclose an invoice for the items, and were all the missing items received? Any receipt? Apology?
To those who received items:
Did the OP enclose an invoice for the items, and were all the missing items received? Any receipt? Apology?
That's great! Meanwhile, I have received no items and haven't had PM's returned. Same old prof as far as I'm concerned. If I get time this week I'm taking it to the next step. I've given him plenty of opportunities to make good on this and he continues avoid me.
I'm not sure yet if legal action should be taken individually or as a group? For those of you that have already organized something, should I just join up with you guys or pursue this on my own?
If I just wanted to buy one of each switch to figure out which I like best, what would the shipping be?i dont think you can buy switches from this GB any more, and you probably dont want to anyway...
I was out on business all week, and it's a goddamn joke that no update has been posted since.
I was out on business all week, and it's a goddamn joke that no update has been posted since.
How about you do everyone a service and post a general update instead of HIDING behind PMs you ****ing moronI was out on business all week, and it's a goddamn joke that no update has been posted since.
I see nothing for this groupbuy under your use name in my spreadsheet. If you have an order that needs to be shipped please contact me via pm or email.
Piss off. Really, PMs are better for this because I don't want to get updates for this thread sent to me over your issue.How about you do everyone a service and post a general update instead of HIDING behind PMs you ****ing moronI was out on business all week, and it's a goddamn joke that no update has been posted since.
I see nothing for this groupbuy under your use name in my spreadsheet. If you have an order that needs to be shipped please contact me via pm or email.
Piss off. Really, PMs are better for this because I don't want to get updates for this thread sent to me over your issue.How about you do everyone a service and post a general update instead of HIDING behind PMs you ****ing moronI was out on business all week, and it's a goddamn joke that no update has been posted since.
I see nothing for this groupbuy under your use name in my spreadsheet. If you have an order that needs to be shipped please contact me via pm or email.
Has this gone smoothly? No. Could it go quicker? Yes. Are most you you acting like keyboard warriors? Yes.
U 12?Piss off. Really, PMs are better for this because I don't want to get updates for this thread sent to me over your issue.How about you do everyone a service and post a general update instead of HIDING behind PMs you ****ing moronI was out on business all week, and it's a goddamn joke that no update has been posted since.
I see nothing for this groupbuy under your use name in my spreadsheet. If you have an order that needs to be shipped please contact me via pm or email.
Has this gone smoothly? No. Could it go quicker? Yes. Are most you you acting like keyboard warriors? Yes.
U mad.
U 12?Piss off. Really, PMs are better for this because I don't want to get updates for this thread sent to me over your issue.How about you do everyone a service and post a general update instead of HIDING behind PMs you ****ing moronI was out on business all week, and it's a goddamn joke that no update has been posted since.
I see nothing for this groupbuy under your use name in my spreadsheet. If you have an order that needs to be shipped please contact me via pm or email.
Has this gone smoothly? No. Could it go quicker? Yes. Are most you you acting like keyboard warriors? Yes.
U mad.
It's great to read all this **** while waiting forever for all my stolen (until now) money
It's great to read all this **** while waiting forever for all my stolen (until now) money
Glad I can entertain you.
Hey prof did you receive my pm for the new address? Please update it. Thanks!
When are you sending the big package to WFD, Prof? I asked a couple times in PMs but no reply.
My hope now is to eventually refund everyone fully. This puts all of the financial burden directly on my shoulders. Starting with those who've pre-ordered after the Kickstarter campaign through our webstore, then I'll begin working my way through the backer list, starting with those who funded at the highest levels. Unfortunately I can't give any type of schedule for the repayment as I left my job to do this project and must find work again. I'll create a separate bank account to place anything beyond my basic costs of living. Every time that account has a decent amount saved into it I'll issue a payout to a portion of the backer list. I'll post updates with each payout to keep you all informed on the progress.
TheProfosist please read this (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/forkingpath/the-doom-that-came-to-atlantic-city/posts/548030?utm_source=loopinsight.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed).
A Kickstarter funded game has gone under and the link above explains what the founder is going to do as a result of his decision. THIS is how you handle a deal that unravels, regardless of the circumstances.QuoteMy hope now is to eventually refund everyone fully. This puts all of the financial burden directly on my shoulders. Starting with those who've pre-ordered after the Kickstarter campaign through our webstore, then I'll begin working my way through the backer list, starting with those who funded at the highest levels. Unfortunately I can't give any type of schedule for the repayment as I left my job to do this project and must find work again. I'll create a separate bank account to place anything beyond my basic costs of living. Every time that account has a decent amount saved into it I'll issue a payout to a portion of the backer list. I'll post updates with each payout to keep you all informed on the progress.
TheProfosist please read this (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/forkingpath/the-doom-that-came-to-atlantic-city/posts/548030?utm_source=loopinsight.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed).
A Kickstarter funded game has gone under and the link above explains what the founder is going to do as a result of his decision. THIS is how you handle a deal that unravels, regardless of the circumstances.QuoteMy hope now is to eventually refund everyone fully. This puts all of the financial burden directly on my shoulders. Starting with those who've pre-ordered after the Kickstarter campaign through our webstore, then I'll begin working my way through the backer list, starting with those who funded at the highest levels. Unfortunately I can't give any type of schedule for the repayment as I left my job to do this project and must find work again. I'll create a separate bank account to place anything beyond my basic costs of living. Every time that account has a decent amount saved into it I'll issue a payout to a portion of the backer list. I'll post updates with each payout to keep you all informed on the progress.
sigh....
forget the leds, send switches. I really need them.
When are you sending the big package to WFD, Prof? I asked a couple times in PMs but no reply.
Update; received my switches today.
Did you look at the comments for that post?
I pretty much always agree with you but In this case i have to disagree, this is not how you handle a deal that unravels. He (Erik Chevalier) is not guaranteeing he is going to return the money he is mostly saying he "hopes" he can return the money--the guy doesn't even know. If you see the comments on KS people are blowing up. All the guy did was write a nice letter telling people what he hoped they wanted to hear.
I'm still waiting for 2 bills worth of switches so im not happy like everyone else but i just don't think you can relate a KS situation to this.
Did you look at the comments for that post?
Everyone's pissed, which is understandable and those comments are all over the map, but it's getting ugly. Funding a Kickstarter project is low-level angel funding of an idea/company/project/etc. and like any investment, there is no guarantee of a return on an investment. This is, of course not at all related to a group buy. More below vvvI pretty much always agree with you but In this case i have to disagree, this is not how you handle a deal that unravels. He (Erik Chevalier) is not guaranteeing he is going to return the money he is mostly saying he "hopes" he can return the money--the guy doesn't even know. If you see the comments on KS people are blowing up. All the guy did was write a nice letter telling people what he hoped they wanted to hear.
I'm still waiting for 2 bills worth of switches so im not happy like everyone else but i just don't think you can relate a KS situation to this.
I know the two are not related and I have not been tracking the full story either. The only reason I linked it was due to the fact that their is a similarity in that both projects were apparently mis-handled.
In the Kickstarter example, the lead listed his plans to rectify the situation. Is it a guarantee that all money will be refunded? Absolutely not, but it's at least and accounting of what the next steps are and that has value. The comments, much like several that we've had here, are going to be out pouring of angst and Erik is clearly being raked over the coals in the court of public opinion. However, it is something public and something that shows accountability.
Compare that to this group buy. Some people have received their goods, others (such as yourself) have not and there has been no mention of refunds of money. All transactions have to take place via PM, which then forces us all to then chime in on the main thread here to try and aggregate what's actually happening. Zero transparency. Zero accountability.
Regardless of wether you agree that Erik (Kickstarter guy) handled the situation correctly, it's a far sight better than what's been done with this GroupBuy. I, for one, would much prefer public actions and accountability over death by a thousand PMs.
sigh....Can do
forget the leds, send switches. I really need them.
Did you look at the comments for that post?
Everyone's pissed, which is understandable and those comments are all over the map, but it's getting ugly. Funding a Kickstarter project is low-level angel funding of an idea/company/project/etc. and like any investment, there is no guarantee of a return on an investment. This is, of course not at all related to a group buy. More below vvvI pretty much always agree with you but In this case i have to disagree, this is not how you handle a deal that unravels. He (Erik Chevalier) is not guaranteeing he is going to return the money he is mostly saying he "hopes" he can return the money--the guy doesn't even know. If you see the comments on KS people are blowing up. All the guy did was write a nice letter telling people what he hoped they wanted to hear.
I'm still waiting for 2 bills worth of switches so im not happy like everyone else but i just don't think you can relate a KS situation to this.
I know the two are not related and I have not been tracking the full story either. The only reason I linked it was due to the fact that their is a similarity in that both projects were apparently mis-handled.
In the Kickstarter example, the lead listed his plans to rectify the situation. Is it a guarantee that all money will be refunded? Absolutely not, but it's at least and accounting of what the next steps are and that has value. The comments, much like several that we've had here, are going to be out pouring of angst and Erik is clearly being raked over the coals in the court of public opinion. However, it is something public and something that shows accountability.
Compare that to this group buy. Some people have received their goods, others (such as yourself) have not and there has been no mention of refunds of money. All transactions have to take place via PM, which then forces us all to then chime in on the main thread here to try and aggregate what's actually happening. Zero transparency. Zero accountability.
Regardless of wether you agree that Erik (Kickstarter guy) handled the situation correctly, it's a far sight better than what's been done with this GroupBuy. I, for one, would much prefer public actions and accountability over death by a thousand PMs.
Shhhh, if you want to continue this conversation please PM me and stop threadcrapping. /s
sigh....Can do
forget the leds, send switches. I really need them.
Dude respond to my response to your PM, your counts you list in your PM are wrong.
see your spreadsheet for the correct counts
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AupvlvyuC9aEdGNzeXUzdjlpdmR4X2pndElOQ1I0dnc#gid=0
How many people still need their stuff?
What's the status for the LEDs and stabilizers? Haven't seen anything mentioned about it.. It will be difficult completing a keyboard without stabs!
When are you sending the big package to WFD, Prof? I asked a couple times in PMs but no reply.
I will send the ones for the people that contacted me to send them to him ASAP (pasph sleepy916 affect656)
has anyone heard from this guy?
what is MXLOCK?
So he sends stuff to 2 people just to go off for 3 weeks.....
Much more than that. There is a spreadsheet in the OP if you were so inclined. $200 from me, though.$5996.35
That's what I got but it was quick copy pasting and excel work so no idea on the accuracy though it's a pretty good number just looking over it. That isn't including shipping.
EDIT - Also looks like bavman is sending out orders so this can't be held up for anybody except white switches...
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38441.msg915450#msg915450 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38441.msg915450#msg915450)
What I said yesterday about waiting to start the whole pitchfork thing, yeah, we're getting close.
I got a similar answer :-XMuch more than that. There is a spreadsheet in the OP if you were so inclined. $200 from me, though.
someone please check my math but I just did multiplication and addition in excel.....
Well if I'm looking at that spreadsheet right its somewhere around ~$6,000+ total
Half of that is for switches ~$3,000
Around ~$1200 in the various assembly charges
Almost $1,000 just in the PLU-87 boards.....
You can view your order here please pm me if you need to change anything http://tinyurl.com/afxd5o8
Quick number crunching. According to this spreadsheet, he has collected $6004 + paypal fees. He still has not ordered stabilizers ($456), LEDs ($156), still owes 7bit ($132), and still owes me ($225). That is a $969 deficit. Assuming no parts were for profit, he still collected $1255 in assembly fees.
So basically that is $2,224 that is unaccounted for. Either a terrible miscalculation on his part, or that GB money he collected was spent on personal things. I just cannot believe this.... someone check my math.
Prof, you still need to answer the specific questions from my last PM. There is over $2,000 not accounted for. What exactly happened to the rest of this money? And please take a picture of all the PLUs that you supposedly have.So, im looking for someone to kindly collect the money via goods and send to WFD as gift.
Basically he is asking for someone to volunteer to contact everyone that ordered stabilizers, collect all money for stabs AGAIN, then send it to me in one large lump so I can ship him the plates, PCBs, and stabs. If you read the PMs here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38471.msg922661#msg922661) again, you can see mentions of this exact thing I just said. Yes that's right, he wants you to pay for stabilizers again, something that he already collected money for. Not only that, someone else (except him) must send PMs to everyone in this GB and manage the payments.
Here's some info (mainly ErgoDox-related) I've been able to gather that might be helpful, if anyone is looking for some more info to this knowledge-base of a thread:
In late January/early February, I ordered an ErgoDox without switches & ErgoDox assembly from him via the MassDrop "GB" for it, and I also ordered MX Whites via this Phantom Parts GB. The plan was to have the Dox built with those MX Whites. In early April, MD mistakenly sent me an unassembled ErgoDox, but I told them I wanted it assembled, like I've ordered it. They sent me a label to send it to him. I've sent it to him and the tracking said it was delivered - again, this was about two months ago.
Via this thread, MX Whites might not be available at the moment (or at least not all of them) because 7bit did not quite have enough available prior to the pre-order status that they're currently in (which should end by July or something). Also, SF has said something like Prof doesn't want to build ErgoDoxes until he has all the parts from this Phantom GB.
MD has not charged me for the assembly at any point. That might be a holdup through this whole situation. But it's kind of weird how it's all kind of coming around in circles (the possibility that MD doesn't want to charge buyers to give to Prof until they know the builds are going to happen; him not wanting to build until he has parts; not being able to get all parts because of what's available/what he still owes 7bit via cash he needs to get from MD).
And until I get anything I'm down ~$310 (aluminum Dox, MX Whites) with the possibility of $60 more (assembly that hasn't been charged yet).
$8 for stabilizers?! I've sold a few bags worth at $1 per stabilizer... (75cents for WFD)
TheProfosist was also a dropout of my Krytox GPL 200 GB... Why did he order one in the first place?!... He said he didn't have any money, but that same day he bought a GirlDC black whale and 3 aluminum spacebars! (Over $200!!)
Finally a real PM to me with actual substance, after a very long time of waiting. I'll just post it here.
tl;dr - Prof has no income and zero money left to buy the remaining parts or to ship out your stuff. He's waiting on money from Massdrop, but I doubt that will be enough for everything. You may have to pay him (again?) to ship out stuff or for stabilizers/LEDs.I'm already picking up your slack. Tell me why you charge $8 for stabs and I need to sell for a loss? You keep the profit from assembly and parts while I have to do all your work? If you can't even pay me money that's not even part of the assembly and GB parts, money that you personally owe me, which you kept promising to pay me a long time ago, what makes me believe that you'll actually refund people for these parts once massdrop pays you?
I shortened this up as I didnt feel like re-writing everything I wrote before and lost.
what slack of mine are you picking up?
why i charged $8 is because thats what it was for the lowest tier + the cost of a wire from you. And I would love to keep the profit if i had any.
What do yo umean while I have to do all your work? I plan to build all the boards because I cant pay anyone.
The not haveing any money from the GB is 100% my poor planning aparently and not watching everything very carefully as I was paying for it, so ill attest to that. Ill get you the money for the stuff you have been holding for me as i just stated in my last PM but im have to sell the stuff, I hope thats alright with you. You dont have to believe me, no one every has any real reason to believe anyone, especially over the internet. All I have to say though is though I may take some time I have always gotten people their stuff or money in the end and though you may not believe me I never considered not getting them what I said I would.
The instant I have money from Massdrop I can send it to you instead if you wish then you can just refund the money you were sent (if your the one thats going to collect it). I dont know if thats any better or if anyone will even go for that idea/plan. I just want to do something that will will get this GB to the point where I can start shipping out parts and building keyboards. The sooner this happens the better, I need to get this GB over and outa my life.What slack? Answering PMs from people that ask me what's going on. Reorganize my spreadsheet and bavman's spreadsheet where everything should go. There were also a bunch of people that requested for me to handle their package, rather than you handling it. I've been in back and forth communication with these guys, and it does take up my time work with them. I'm combining shipping for some of these packages, and will be sending it directly to them as requested, rather than passing it on to you. Some of them already went out. So even after all this, you still want me to send out individual PM to the whole GB, asking them to pay me directly for stabilizers, which you had already collected money for? Is it really my job to contact everyone, and mange payment again?
So all your personal stuff that I'm holding for you and helped you pay for them... basically you kept making empty promises of paying me back for them, then now you finally tell me you're going to sell it? You could have told me this 6 months ago or try to sell it a while ago so that my money isn't held up, and I'm not stuck with your personal stuff at my place. Now after you sell them, it's my time and responsibility to package and ship them out? Seriously... wtf is this...
Your last response was the first one in a while that you actually said something. But you still need to be more specific, because I need to know, and I'm sure everyone else would like to know as well. You've collected all payments already, and even more than what the parts costs since they've already paid for the assembly fees. Where did all this money go if you did not spend it for your personal things? If 7bit charged you more for switches than what he initially said, you shouldn't have placed the order until you worked out the budget. How much did you end up paying for the switches? How much were the PLU keyboards? How many ergo-dox do you need to assemble, and how much total money is massdrop paying you? Did people already pay you for the shipping costs in advance? If you can't even find the time to give updates or respond, how are you going to have time to build everything and package/ship them out? Just do some quick number crunching man. I don't think what massdrop will pay you, will be enough to cover all your "debt". You still need to pay for stabilizers, (shipping to each person?), and personal money you owe me.
Just To Be Clear
On February 1, 2013, I Paid The Following:
$65.00 - Lubed switches and assembly
$05.00 - Desoldering PLU-87
$80.00 - PLU-87 Keyboard
$08.00 - Cherry Stabilizers
$05.53 - PayPal Fees
------------------------------------
$163.53 Total
The only hard goods that have supposedly been purchased for my order is the PLU-87 keyboard -- although I have seen no proof that you have the boards in hand. Deducting PayPal fees, I've paid you $158 for an $80 keyboard. The remaining $78 is gone because...Into higher prices and exchange rate changes is my best guess at this point.
The Breakdown
Assuming the spreadsheet on Google Doc is correct, and I haven't seen anyone say otherwise, I breakdown the money that was collected as follows:
Amount Item $3,001.35 Switches $960 PLU-87 Keyboards (12 in all) $1,255 Assembly Services (basic, spring swap, lubed and desoldering) $632 Stabilizers (that were never purchased $156 LED swap outs $6,004.35 Total Received Payments
In other words you collected:
$3,961.35 in goods that were alegedly purchased
$2,043 in services and goods that were never purchased (stabilizers)
And due to the fluctuations in the Euro, we're supposed to believe that the expected $4,000 in goods actually cost $6,000, or 67% more than expected?
I actually think this number is higher. The only evidence we've seen of goods actually purchased are the switches from 7bit. There's been no evidence that the PLUs have actually been ordered, or received. Throw that on the pile and we're now looking at $3000 that is unaccounted for.If I would have managed this better that wouldnt have been a problem but o wells. Its only another $45 or so total on all 628 switches.
It's not just another $45 you idiot, it's thousands of dollars that have gone missing with no serious answer as to WTF happened to it.
If Only...
I keep saying this over-and-over in my mind trying to make peace with this debacle of a group buy. I know it's just my psyche going through the seven stages of anger, but I can't help it.If only... you had charged for the hard goods and not the services, then I wouldn't be out as much money.
If only... you'd admitted that you had made a mistake before spending the money, we could have chosen different options, or at least try and make a course correction.
If only... you'd explained that your estimates were off we could have made up the difference and gladly given you more money. *shudder*
If only... you'd admitted that you didn't know how to add someone could have stepped in and given you a calculator.
If only... you'd admitted you were unqualified to run a group buy, someone would have gladly volunteered to take over, or at least pitch in.
If only... you had communicated like you did before you took receipt of the money there wouldn't be so much vitriol.
If only... you were actually being honest and not feeding us a line of bull****. >:D
But, You Chose This
There are so many different ways this could have turned out, but you CHOSE to take us all down this road. All throughout this thread are offers of assistance and help, but as you said...I did everything no one helped me with anything and am glad I did that way no one it getting dragged down with me.
So instead of enlisting help, you've chosen to drag everyone that trusted you with their money down this road of shame with you.
You have chosen to lie and steal and be deceptive. You have chosen to drag this out in the hopes of covering up your mistakes, or to perhaps go undetected. I don't know why you've made the choices you have and it really doesn't matter what they are. In the end, the reasons rarely justify the means in situations involving theft.
So you can continue to drag this out and tell us...Im working on sending out some PMs and Emails as we speak after that im going to get caught back up on the thread as it seems it gotten awfully personal.Guys I am alive (contrary to some beliefs) and I wont let you guys be boned (no matter how much some of you seem to want to be).Hey guys sorry about not getting the response up, life has in no way going my way (murphy's law is a *****). I know what your going to think/say when i say this but ill do my best to post responses and reply to pms/emails before the start of next week. Before you ask I will most likely not be posting anything today as i wont be sitting down near a computer long enough to do so.I havnt checked out guys you should get a response from me tomorrow starting back with my other post. O and I received another bag of switches today from 7bit.I can start shipping stuff out to people who just ordered switches using the switches I do have.Im not blowing anyone off. I am not shipping parts because I dont have them all.
As for an update as to when theyll ship, thats quite hard to say as I dont know when ill have the rest of the parts. And YES I am actively trying to get the rest in.ROFL funny man, just so you know I havnt replied to anyone or anything this week yet.
But, a big thanks to those who respected my post about being unavailable for GH stuff until the following monday. I appreciate not getting flooded while I dont have the ability or time to answer.ok here are some verbal updates (I know many you want pictures as well thell be soonish to follow)hey guys! looks round... wow a lot happens in a couple days doesnt it...guys Ill get an update, info, replies, and stuff tomorrow I have good news (I think) and yes I was overloaded but not anymore (I think). Yes, i am currently busy but with GH stuff for the most part.If your worried about this not getting done dont worry it will as I have stopped most of my life to straighten this and other GH stuff out properly. On another note I will never be running another GB but will continue with assembly for those who want be to build their board but never a full blown service ever most likely.everything metalliqaz said is correct as of Sun May 5th at 1600Does this mean you're sending out all our orders?some of them will go out soon, for the people that only ordered parts that is.yo dudes whats up? I have recovered and am getting back on this today. I have some more inventory that I havnt been able to update you about. Expect a update either late today or tomorrow once I have organized/figured/etc.
The Bottom Line
You can't be trusted. You're not a man of your word and you committed fraud on the GeekHack community.
Just added it all up from the spreadsheet. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuzaglYTy1FjdFlvNGlNVWFtdE1fd3djZ2VXa2pUVEE&usp=sharing) My data may also be irrelevant compared to WFD etc. Just sharing what I have to offer.
I want to say something really really snide right now, but to cut it short.
Prof, if you see this.. There was a young man who fought with you to try and get this all resolved. Do the right thing and be better because of him.
I was thinking the same thing. He tried so hard to straighten things out. I only wish I could thank him for his efforts. Don't let it go in vain.
I WANT MY SWITCHES
I would think that, as a bare minimum, he should get a board ban?
Of course you would have to have a formal way for complaints to be logged.....
When are you sending the big package to WFD, Prof? I asked a couple times in PMs but no reply.
I will send the ones for the people that contacted me to send them to him ASAP (pasph sleepy916 affect656)
STILL NOTHING
what is the status with the demand letters?
I already know how all of you are going to reply to this so I wont be checking this thread again until then.Thoroughly lol'd.
I already know how all of you are going to reply to this so I wont be checking this thread again until then.Thoroughly lol'd.
Sorry for all of you guys who have money tied up in this.
Yeah it is pretty disgusting.I already know how all of you are going to reply to this so I wont be checking this thread again until then.Thoroughly lol'd.
Sorry for all of you guys who have money tied up in this.
:( my money isn't just tied up, im thinking its gone for good
At least the Prof is responding once in a while, the BSP groupbuy organizer hasn't made a peep.
The Phantom PCB and plate GB has also gone down the toilet, no updates and nothing shipped yet.
to late..
I got a shipping notification!
At least the Prof is responding once in a while, the BSP groupbuy organizer hasn't made a peep.
BSP organizer said that paypal locked him since people were charging back and he wouldnt get access to the money for 6 months, so he told everyone to charge back and he will be seen as the scammer, but will accept that. In that case people should have chargebacked I believe. I have mixed feelings because I feel if sherryton maybe discussed it a bit more before forcing gmk to cancel them, both parties could have setttled for maybe a slight premium. but in this case vintage got shafted and his paypal locked out so couldn't even refund although I believe BSP was already had the funds in hand as well.
Since July 25 he has only made that 1 post on August 28. I think he's tired of keeping up the facade that people will eventually get their stuff.
The last package has not been sent out because I still wait for around $100.
I consider to just ship what has been paid for, keep the rest of the ordered switches and clear the order, so his account is 0.
i really hope the those who signed up for services get some sort of resolution. But if he is indeed shipping the stuff he has, including my stuff i hope, then that at least raises him a level from a total scammer to something slightly above that. if he resolves the whole GB he may be able to escape threats and demand letters the rest of his life.Still completely unacceptable and deserving of no respect from the community.
I'm on vacation for two more weeks, and never get to check internet. I'll send my demand letter when I get back. Internet access is spotty.status?
Payment/"shipping" update
Payments from <username>, TheProfosist (!), <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, and <username> have been received and marked as shipped for Paypal purposes (to keep them from locking up the PP account). Invoices may or may not reflect the payments yet. Keep checking this thread for the actual ship date(s), or spam this thread/7bit via PM the message "WHERE ARE MY SWITCHES, DID YOU SEND THEM YET." This only includes payments to me via Paypal. Note that the address on your Paypal notifications/notes are not necessarily the addresses 7bit will ship your switches to, he ships to the address on your invoice.
I don't feel like digging back to my last check in point, where is bavman?
This sucks have everything sitting here waiting to be built but no plate to build it with
FYI
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760-1980.html#p126172 (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760-1980.html#p126172)QuotePayment/"shipping" update
Payments from <username>, TheProfosist (!), <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, and <username> have been received and marked as shipped for Paypal purposes (to keep them from locking up the PP account). Invoices may or may not reflect the payments yet. Keep checking this thread for the actual ship date(s), or spam this thread/7bit via PM the message "WHERE ARE MY SWITCHES, DID YOU SEND THEM YET." This only includes payments to me via Paypal. Note that the address on your Paypal notifications/notes are not necessarily the addresses 7bit will ship your switches to, he ships to the address on your invoice.
FYI
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760-1980.html#p126172 (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760-1980.html#p126172)QuotePayment/"shipping" update
Payments from <username>, TheProfosist (!), <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, <username>, and <username> have been received and marked as shipped for Paypal purposes (to keep them from locking up the PP account). Invoices may or may not reflect the payments yet. Keep checking this thread for the actual ship date(s), or spam this thread/7bit via PM the message "WHERE ARE MY SWITCHES, DID YOU SEND THEM YET." This only includes payments to me via Paypal. Note that the address on your Paypal notifications/notes are not necessarily the addresses 7bit will ship your switches to, he ships to the address on your invoice.
Well that is interesting
but wth, i really need those switches that he is already in possession of. come on prof, you said ASAP
I haven't received mine. I can't even get communication going with him. The prof is a piece of ****.demand letter?
I couldn't get the situation resolved with 7bit, to have him send me my Whites directly.. he sent them to Prof.
Well, demand letter to Prof on the way..
When the **** do you plan on shipping this?
Fabian
When the **** do you plan on shipping this?
Fabian
He doesn't plan on shipping you anything. That's the joke. He's now a scammer, and you're in Germany, so what can you do about it? Nothing.
Some of the people who sent demand letters should really consider contacting the small claims court in his county to file a suit against him. Even if there is a small chance of winning, that's better than your chance of getting anything if you don't take him to court, which is exactly zero.
That's right, Prof. There is no redemption for you. I'm calling you out right here and now as a scammer. I hope you enjoyed taking people's money and property, because I will do everything in my power to make sure no one ever trusts you again.
I'm not going to dox you here, but if someone wants any information that I do have, such as the name and phone number of the pastor of your church, I will give it to them privately. They can do with that information as they will. You deserve whatever befalls you at this point.
When the **** do you plan on shipping this?
Fabian
He doesn't plan on shipping you anything. That's the joke. He's now a scammer, and you're in Germany, so what can you do about it? Nothing.
Some of the people who sent demand letters should really consider contacting the small claims court in his county to file a suit against him. Even if there is a small chance of winning, that's better than your chance of getting anything if you don't take him to court, which is exactly zero.
That's right, Prof. There is no redemption for you. I'm calling you out right here and now as a scammer. I hope you enjoyed taking people's money and property, because I will do everything in my power to make sure no one ever trusts you again.
I'm not going to dox you here, but if someone wants any information that I do have, such as the name and phone number of the pastor of your church, I will give it to them privately. They can do with that information as they will. You deserve whatever befalls you at this point.
I'm having loads of fun. I'm stuck in this, the acrylic case that has no communication, and GH60.Which acrylic case? Also GH60 is moving again.
When the **** do you plan on shipping this?
Fabian
He doesn't plan on shipping you anything. That's the joke. He's now a scammer, and you're in Germany, so what can you do about it? Nothing.
Some of the people who sent demand letters should really consider contacting the small claims court in his county to file a suit against him. Even if there is a small chance of winning, that's better than your chance of getting anything if you don't take him to court, which is exactly zero.
That's right, Prof. There is no redemption for you. I'm calling you out right here and now as a scammer. I hope you enjoyed taking people's money and property, because I will do everything in my power to make sure no one ever trusts you again.
I'm not going to dox you here, but if someone wants any information that I do have, such as the name and phone number of the pastor of your church, I will give it to them privately. They can do with that information as they will. You deserve whatever befalls you at this point.
GH60 is back on, again. How long that lasts...I'm having loads of fun. I'm stuck in this, the acrylic case that has no communication, and GH60.Which acrylic case? Also GH60 is moving again.
was going through old thread and saw this..
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33167.msg741125#msg741125
wonder wtf happened
When are you sending the big package to WFD, Prof? I asked a couple times in PMs but no reply.
I will send the ones for the people that contacted me to send them to him ASAP (pasph sleepy916 affect656)
Some of the people who sent demand letters should really consider contacting the small claims court in his county to file a suit against him. Even if there is a small chance of winning, that's better than your chance of getting anything if you don't take him to court, which is exactly zero.There isn't a small chance of winning: if he's a no-show at court, as long as the claim isn't obviously bogus the plaintiff will win. Now, extracting the money will be tougher, but there are means to go about that with additional court/sheriff/etc fees.
You can't sue in small claims court unless you live there, I checked. There is no recourse.
You can't sue in small claims court unless you live there, I checked. There is no recourse.
You can't sue in small claims court unless you live there, I checked. There is no recourse.
Solution, get someone in state to file claim for you, give them the evidence and right to serve as your legal representative. Supposedly there are some people who live nearby who could do that.
You can't sue in small claims court unless you live there, I checked. There is no recourse.
Solution, get someone in state to file claim for you, give them the evidence and right to serve as your legal representative. Supposedly there are some people who live nearby who could do that.
I'm just here to watch the GH drama and eat my popcorn
What good would taking him to small claims court do? Is there anything that will actually force him to pay?Can you not procure his "assets" ?
What good would taking him to small claims court do? Is there anything that will actually force him to pay?
What good would taking him to small claims court do? Is there anything that will actually force him to pay?
Good(ish) news. The good news is my switches are on the way. The bad news is I originally paid for assembly and all that but I'm biting the bullet on this one. Now I just have to find stabalizers I guess and find WFD for my plate/PCB.
Good(ish) news. The good news is my switches are on the way. The bad news is I originally paid for assembly and all that but I'm biting the bullet on this one. Now I just have to find stabalizers I guess and find WFD for my plate/PCB.
LOL, my switches have been on the way for a few months now. He said he would send them right away, haven't heard a peep from him since.
Always be polite. Always keep receipts. Always cooperate. Yeah, I still lost money (though it was my choice to bail on my assembly), but I didn't lose everything.Good(ish) news. The good news is my switches are on the way. The bad news is I originally paid for assembly and all that but I'm biting the bullet on this one. Now I just have to find stabalizers I guess and find WFD for my plate/PCB.
LOL, my switches have been on the way for a few months now. He said he would send them right away, haven't heard a peep from him since.
Same ^
One small step for Phantom, one giant leap for people to quit *****ing about one person's mistake.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bHntskX.jpg)
My experiences with the 3 players in this Phantom GB.
TheProfosist: Pay Money -> Wait -> Ask for stuff -> Get stuff
WhiteFireDragon: Wait -> Get Nothing
Bavman: Pay Money -> Wait -> Get Nothing
TheProfosist: Pay Money -> Wait -> Ask for stuff -> Get stuff
As they say, "actions speak stronger than words." My hope is that his actions continue.+1
that TheProfosist is attempting to make goodonly when solder service fees are fully refunded would any effort of his be "attempting to make good"
When are you sending the big package to WFD, Prof? I asked a couple times in PMs but no reply.
I will send the ones for the people that contacted me to send them to him ASAP (pasph sleepy916 affect656)
has anyone received stabilizers yet?
Show Image(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine-NEW/IMG_3200.jpg~original)
note: this is was taken out of focus on purpose
I'm not even sure anymore. With all the spreadsheets WFD had my plate and PCB but never really responded to me so I'm not sure if they're with TP or WFD.has anyone received stabilizers yet?
I think wfd is dealing with stabilizers.
My experiences with the 3 players in this Phantom GB.
TheProfosist: Pay Money -> Wait -> Ask for stuff -> Get stuff
WhiteFireDragon: Wait -> Get Nothing
Bavman: Pay Money -> Wait -> Get Nothing
I'm happy to say that
TheProfosist has shipped to me my stuff and now he don't owes me anything more
I second this:My experiences with the 3 players in this Phantom GB.
TheProfosist: Pay Money -> Wait -> Ask for stuff -> Get stuff
WhiteFireDragon: Wait -> Get Nothing
Bavman: Pay Money -> Wait -> Get Nothing
I'm happy to say that
TheProfosist has shipped to me my stuff and now he don't owes me anything more
I second this:My experiences with the 3 players in this Phantom GB.
TheProfosist: Pay Money -> Wait -> Ask for stuff -> Get stuff
WhiteFireDragon: Wait -> Get Nothing
Bavman: Pay Money -> Wait -> Get Nothing
WFD royally ****ed up. Geekhack is losing reputable members due to GB's.
I'm happy to say that
TheProfosist has shipped to me my stuff and now he don't owes me anything more
I second this:My experiences with the 3 players in this Phantom GB.
TheProfosist: Pay Money -> Wait -> Ask for stuff -> Get stuff
WhiteFireDragon: Wait -> Get Nothing
Bavman: Pay Money -> Wait -> Get Nothing
WFD royally ****ed up. Geekhack is losing reputable members due to GB's.
FYI:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54206.0
Hello ? Anyone can help here?
The Prof still logs in here. I don't think he is planning on paying anyone else back. I'm still waiting on my keyboard. It's only been over a year...
The Prof still logs in here. I don't think he is planning on paying anyone else back. I'm still waiting on my keyboard. It's only been over a year...
Honestly that's worse than those who just disappear completely. He comes here, reads stuff that is going on etc. What a shame.
The Prof still logs in here. I don't think he is planning on paying anyone else back. I'm still waiting on my keyboard. It's only been over a year...
Honestly that's worse than those who just disappear completely. He comes here, reads stuff that is going on etc. What a shame.
I thought there would be more parts left.
Glad to see all wasn't completely lost.
I don't know if this would help anyone or not, but I'd be willing to pick up one Phantom assembly for the price of shipping, and maybe a pocket pack of solder (I don't think I have enough solder left for an entire board after doing two builds), if someone is unable to do an assembly themselves but has all of the parts.
This is really cool of you Hoff, glad to see some people finally seeing their boards and parts after all this time! :thumb:
And I can do some soldering for the cost of shipping too. If you want to buy me a beer, that would be awesome, but nothing is expected other than shipping being covered. It might actually motivate me to finally do some soldering of my own I've been putting.
I would think that, as a bare minimum, he should get a board ban?
Of course you would have to have a formal way for complaints to be logged.....
If they ban him then any hope of anyone getting the remainder of their stuff is essentially lost.
I would think that, as a bare minimum, he should get a board ban?
Of course you would have to have a formal way for complaints to be logged.....
If they ban him then any hope of anyone getting the remainder of their stuff is essentially lost.
So, since HoffmanMyster has the remaining items in his possession now, shouldn't the mods proceed with a ban at this point? It's not like anyone needs to communicate with him anymore.
So, since HoffmanMyster has the remaining items in his possession now, shouldn't the mods proceed with a ban at this point? It's not like anyone needs to communicate with him anymore.
I think i'm owed some plate-mounted stabs and some LEDs, but I'm good on both. I found another source years ago. Assuming my parts actually exist, feel free to sell/use them for whatever.
Any news?
Any news?
I'm still closing out previous projects; this will be the next project to tackle. :thumb:
Was anyone in this group buy screwed out of any Phantom hardware (outside of switches)?
Any news?
It has been another month now. How is it going?
It has been another month now. How is it going?
To be honest, not as well as I had hoped. I wanted to make progress this past weekend, but had a very difficult time navigating my way through the Excel documents. I don't know if that's my fault or not.
I was hoping to be able to PM/email people and verify that I still have what they ordered, but had difficulty determining whose order was already shipped, or if any were. It looks like, moving forward, I will need to cross-reference a few documents to determine where we're at in the process. It will be slow moving, but any movement will be better than none.
It has been another month now. How is it going?
To be honest, not as well as I had hoped. I wanted to make progress this past weekend, but had a very difficult time navigating my way through the Excel documents. I don't know if that's my fault or not.
I was hoping to be able to PM/email people and verify that I still have what they ordered, but had difficulty determining whose order was already shipped, or if any were. It looks like, moving forward, I will need to cross-reference a few documents to determine where we're at in the process. It will be slow moving, but any movement will be better than none.
I'm pretty handy with excel, let me know if I can help out in interpreting them files.
****, I just bought a plate, case, caps and pcb from TheProfosist on the LinusTechTips forum, then discovered this. I hope it goes well. If not, it`s $240 down the drain.
I talked a bit to him and I`m fairly confident I will get the stuff I bought now. If I don`t get it, I will post it on here.****, I just bought a plate, case, caps and pcb from TheProfosist on the LinusTechTips forum, then discovered this. I hope it goes well. If not, it`s $240 down the drain.
I see he is very active on those forums, perhaps others should be warned over there.
I once contacted him on LinusTechTips as well about this GB and he promised me my stuff too and now I am still here waiting. Better pull your money back if you have used paypal.I have just picked up the parts I bought from him from customs and everything arived in flawless condition :).
I wonder if you will get a response from affect656. He wrote me a while back to inquire about the GH60 order I was to hold for him (obviously hasn't even shipped yet), but I think he may be still busy with military life, or the aftermath of it. :)
As for bavman, after that Phantom debacle, I doubt you would get a response there either.
I'm sort of around, jdcarpe can have my stuff though.
I finally after like 2 years got my QFR back. Thank you Hoff!
Hopefully once this gets settled The Prof gets banned for all the money he took from the services he never provided.