Post by: engicoder on Sat, 22 November 2014, 08:49:40
The idea for this set was first discussed when this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65864.0) thread was innocently hijacked after FingerPunch posted this image, and I suggested it would be a great subject for a keycap set. Oobly and I suggested SP ABS color palettes:
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unoab suggested using TBN instead of TGH for the brown which is a little deeper brown is also quite nice.
Oobly and I both presented a few ideas which can been seen in the original thread here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65864.msg1541982#msg1541982) and here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65864.msg1542372#msg1542372). This design seemed to have the most appeal.
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This thread is to discuss possible layouts and colors.
Updated (1/27): Here are the potential kits for this set:
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 22 November 2014, 08:51:23
Post by: JinDesu on Sat, 22 November 2014, 08:56:36
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 22 November 2014, 09:07:57
Post by: yasuo on Sat, 22 November 2014, 09:09:03
Post by: Jimmy54669 on Sat, 22 November 2014, 09:12:46
Post by: 00zeRO on Sat, 22 November 2014, 09:44:42
;D
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 22 November 2014, 11:40:08
really nice its suit for sym sgg
That was my thought as well. I'd love this on a sym sgg.
What are we going to do about F-keys, the arrow block, and the numpad?
Post by: trizkut on Sat, 22 November 2014, 11:50:57
(http://i.imgur.com/SH8J09r.png)
though I could see how the accent gradient could be a bit overbearing this way. Either way, love the colors and love the idea.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 22 November 2014, 11:54:17
Personally, I would like a more balanced distribution of blue/brown, kinda like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SH8J09r.png)
though I could see how the accent gradient could be a bit overbearing this way. Either way, love the colors and love the idea.
That looks a little too busy IMO. I like the original better.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 22 November 2014, 12:00:53
Personally, I would like a more balanced distribution of blue/brown, kinda like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SH8J09r.png)
though I could see how the accent gradient could be a bit overbearing this way. Either way, love the colors and love the idea.
I love this as well :)
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 22 November 2014, 12:26:38
Personally, I would like a more balanced distribution of blue/brown, kinda like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SH8J09r.png)
though I could see how the accent gradient could be a bit overbearing this way. Either way, love the colors and love the idea.
I drew one up like this and, as you said, found it to be a bit too much for myself.
Post by: JackMills on Sat, 22 November 2014, 13:58:30
the idea of trizkut is too much of the blue for me.
I would be in for this set depending on the options.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 22 November 2014, 14:07:21
I despise SA/DSA, but if it were to be offered in DCS with cherry legends I'd probably buy a set instantly.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 22 November 2014, 14:09:23
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 22 November 2014, 14:14:34
Post by: unoab on Sat, 22 November 2014, 14:51:41
Post by: 00zeRO on Sat, 22 November 2014, 21:13:01
Post by: geogga on Sat, 22 November 2014, 23:46:16
I like it... it's so too bad GMK doesn't have brown anymore in their stock colors. I've been semi curious about SA but nothing so far had really grabbed me on colorway/kit price yet. As always I won't even think about SP DCS.Do you dislike DCS? I see that many sets are in DSA. I never had different profile keycaos other than stock ones (DCS I think) and not sure how sphericals will feel.
SA will be even more interesting.
To the design- I really like it! Prefer the first recommended layout over the second mockup. I'm just thinking what color the keyboard case should be to fit this set perfectly.
Post by: Pliny on Sun, 23 November 2014, 00:47:56
@geogga: the perfect 70's keyboard case for this would be one covered in walnut wood-grain Contact paper! :cool:
Hmm
Post by: Data on Sun, 23 November 2014, 01:46:37
(http://i.imgur.com/u5Vax7y.png)
With this layout:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ao0y1mR.png)
Would be the first brown colorway that I'd actually consider buying -- especially in SA Row 3.
Post by: Moralless on Sun, 23 November 2014, 01:49:32
These colors:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u5Vax7y.png)
With this layout:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ao0y1mR.png)
Would be the first brown colorway that I'd actually consider buying -- especially in SA Row 3.
The second one reminds me of a periodic table :p
Post by: Data on Sun, 23 November 2014, 01:50:21
Post by: Reckthor on Sun, 23 November 2014, 01:55:03
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 23 November 2014, 02:48:18
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 23 November 2014, 11:21:37
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 23 November 2014, 11:47:58
I agree that VBV is a better color. When I get some time I'll play around with the layout designer again. One thing to keep in mind is that while it uses the correct colors from SP's palettes, it's only correct on the base part of the keys, the keytops are lighter than the correct color. That's why I modified my mockups so the tops matched the bases. I have good hope for this set idea, think it could be an awesome one :-)
I noticed that yesterday and actually posted (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48978.msg1542982#msg1542982) in the editor thread to see if that was by design...seems like it gives a false impression of the actual appearance of the board. Here is a comparison using my layout with corrected colors.
Online Editor Colors
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Corrected Colors
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Post by: 00zeRO on Sun, 23 November 2014, 11:51:56
I agree that VBV is a better color. When I get some time I'll play around with the layout designer again. One thing to keep in mind is that while it uses the correct colors from SP's palettes, it's only correct on the base part of the keys, the keytops are lighter than the correct color. That's why I modified my mockups so the tops matched the bases. I have good hope for this set idea, think it could be an awesome one :-)
I noticed that yesterday and actually posted in the editor thread to see if that was by design...seems like it gives a false impression of the actual appearance of the board. Here is a comparison using my layout with corrected colors.
Online Editor Colors
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Corrected Colors
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This is definitely a great design. Excellent job.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 23 November 2014, 12:00:01
Call it 1973 and I'll buy a set. :P
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 23 November 2014, 12:19:22
I agree that VBV is a better color. When I get some time I'll play around with the layout designer again. One thing to keep in mind is that while it uses the correct colors from SP's palettes, it's only correct on the base part of the keys, the keytops are lighter than the correct color. That's why I modified my mockups so the tops matched the bases. I have good hope for this set idea, think it could be an awesome one :-)
I noticed that yesterday and actually posted (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48978.msg1542982#msg1542982) in the editor thread to see if that was by design...seems like it gives a false impression of the actual appearance of the board. Here is a comparison using my layout with corrected colors.
Online Editor Colors
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Corrected Colors
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If you can actually get that 1976 legend to be a thing, I'll probably buy a set even if it is SA.
Post by: pexon on Sun, 23 November 2014, 12:20:51
Wouldn't mind try SA too :thumb:
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 23 November 2014, 12:44:21
But 1976 was America's Bicentennial...Red, White, and Blue, baby!
Call it 1973 and I'll buy a set. :P
Kind of a good point....how about something like this :p
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How about "The 70's Keyset" ; ;D
Post by: Data on Sun, 23 November 2014, 13:54:47
I agree that VBV is a better color. When I get some time I'll play around with the layout designer again. One thing to keep in mind is that while it uses the correct colors from SP's palettes, it's only correct on the base part of the keys, the keytops are lighter than the correct color. That's why I modified my mockups so the tops matched the bases. I have good hope for this set idea, think it could be an awesome one :-)
I noticed that yesterday and actually posted (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48978.msg1542982#msg1542982) in the editor thread to see if that was by design...seems like it gives a false impression of the actual appearance of the board. Here is a comparison using my layout with corrected colors.
Online Editor Colors
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Corrected Colors
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Can we see it on a TKL or full size in addition to 60%? I'm not sure if the diagonal design will work as well. Might want to keep that in mind as you go.
Post by: JaccoW on Sun, 23 November 2014, 14:03:50
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 23 November 2014, 14:22:45
These colors:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u5Vax7y.png)
With this layout:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ao0y1mR.png)
Would be the first brown colorway that I'd actually consider buying -- especially in SA Row 3.
@engicoder: great work on the adjusted colours, I'm not quite as adept at this kind of graphic work. I just replaced the inner colour with the same value as the outer on mine. I really like the 1976 colored mods and also the single 1976 key! Nice work.
I played around and came up with these (using VBV and OBC like engicoders sets instead of VBF and YW)...
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I added the wood background as I thought it suited the set. We still need to put some thought into the arrows, edits and numpad, although with the gradient versions they could just follow the same pattern.
If you can get a nice reverse diagonal on the right side of the board to match the one on the left of engcoders design I think that could work nicely.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 23 November 2014, 14:24:24
Can we see it on a TKL or full size in addition to 60%? I'm not sure if the diagonal design will work as well. Might want to keep that in mind as you go.
I understand your concern. I think that Oobly's horizontal layout will be very nice on a full board as you could continue the theme all the way across. It would likely feel more complete than any full board diagonal design could. The diagonal will probably be best on 60% or TKL.
That being said, here is my first shot at a full 104 layout (Edit: a number of numpad options)
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Edit: Added Welcome to Browntown layout
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 23 November 2014, 14:28:27
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 23 November 2014, 14:34:00
I played around and came up with these (using VBV and OBC like engicoders sets instead of VBF and YW)...I think I prefer the first one. You should do a full board layout, as that is where the this layout would shine over mine.
If you can get a nice reverse diagonal on the right side of the board to match the one on the left of engcoders design I think that could work nicely.
I tried this, but nothing looked as good as the gradient on the left. Furthermore, anything that looked even slightly ok on a 104 made no sense as a TKL.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 23 November 2014, 14:35:56
Love how it looks on a larger board. Really into the color scheme as is :). I'm actually not digging the vertical color scheme though.
Agreed. I think the TKL is great, but I'm not sure how to make this work on a 104 other than just going fudgeville on the whole right side. This was my attempt at something other than all brown.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 23 November 2014, 15:55:39
Love how it looks on a larger board. Really into the color scheme as is :). I'm actually not digging the vertical color scheme though.
Agreed. I think the TKL is great, but I'm not sure how to make this work on a 104 other than just going fudgeville on the whole right side. This was my attempt at something other than all brown.
Agreed on the TKL, and I quite like the all brown.
Post by: jackalope on Sun, 23 November 2014, 16:11:12
Love how it looks on a larger board. Really into the color scheme as is :). I'm actually not digging the vertical color scheme though.
Agreed. I think the TKL is great, but I'm not sure how to make this work on a 104 other than just going fudgeville on the whole right side. This was my attempt at something other than all brown.
What about inverting the colors on the numpad ( all blue with brown text ) with a matching red enter.
Post by: anne on Sun, 23 November 2014, 17:11:24
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 23 November 2014, 20:41:09
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 23 November 2014, 21:31:14
So this is SA? Another one? Aren't you guys tired of SA yet?
Apparently nobody like DCS anymore.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 23 November 2014, 21:47:12
So this is SA? Another one? Aren't you guys tired of SA yet?
Apparently nobody like DCS anymore.
I like it better than DSA...
Post by: Data on Sun, 23 November 2014, 22:42:31
So this is SA? Another one? Aren't you guys tired of SA yet?
It's a throwback, so naturally SA profile is being considered.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 23 November 2014, 22:49:23
SA is an awful profile IMHO no matter how retro it looks. Just my $.02
Post by: maladroid on Sun, 23 November 2014, 23:55:44
I vote that you rename it to 1979, so the typeface can have its own theme song ( ) and it can get away from the USA bicentennial associations.
That is a terrible idea.
1) This set is supposed to evoke the 1970s, so a 90s grunge band does not fit with that regardless of what their song is named.
2) The logotype won't work as well with a 9 instead of a 6.
3) The U.S. bicentennial was hardly the only thing going on in 1976, so we shouldn't feel the need to avoid references to that year for other things.
Post by: Ripudio on Mon, 24 November 2014, 00:37:51
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 24 November 2014, 01:33:30
All Row 3 SA will suit this set very well, IMHO. It suits the period of the theme perfectly. Maybe there could be a 2nd round in another profile if it proves popular.
Raw data for the Layout Editor with full size layout (rough draft):
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If it's okay with engicoder, I'd like him to continue to run with this as my time is too limited right now to run a proper GB. Just dropped some ideas and hopefully he can take it from here.
Here's an attempt at numpad diagonal:
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Full size with inverse gradient (matches the image more closely):
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FWIW, I think the Browntown (diagonal with all brown numpad) and inverse gradient (with the yellow above the spacebar row) are the best two schemes (actually I can't decide between the gradients, right now I prefer the normal one, but the inverse does match the original image better).
Post by: JackMills on Mon, 24 November 2014, 03:58:47
Maybe the F4 could have been red instead of blue?
I am not a fan of these gradient setups, it is just not as special as with the diagonal.
Overall I like the colorway, so make it Colemak and FC660M compatible :wink::wink:
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 24 November 2014, 08:13:03
Overall I like the colorway, so make it Colemak and FC660M compatible :wink::wink:
Colemak/Dvorak compatibility seems to be becoming standard add-on lately, so yes.
As this colorway works so well on the smaller boards, I would work to have it be compatible with the majority 60%-75% boards.
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 24 November 2014, 08:17:50
DSA Retro is TBN, so I vote we stick with TGH. All Row 3 SA will suit this set very well, IMHO. It suits the period of the theme perfectly. Maybe there could be a 2nd round in another profile if it proves popular.Agreed.
If it's okay with engicoder, I'd like him to continue to run with this as my time is too limited right now to run a proper GB. Just dropped some ideas and hopefully he can take it from here.Sure no problem. I really appreciate your input on this project.
Here's an attempt at numpad diagonal:Code: [Select]{backcolor:"#000000"},
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[{y:0.5,c:"#5dceba",t:"#5b3314",a:5,f:5},"~\n`","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3",{c:"#d83712",t:"#eee2d0"},"$\n4",{c:"#e86700"},"%\n5",{c:"#e1ba44",t:"#5b3314"},"^\n6",{c:"#5b3314",t:"#eee2d0"},"&\n7","*\n8","(\n9",")\n0","_\n-","+\n=",{a:7,f:4,w:2},"BACKSPACE",{x:0.5},"INS","HOME","PGUP",{x:0.5},"NUM LOCK",{c:"#e1ba44",t:"#5b3314"},"/",{c:"#e86700",t:"#eee2d0"},"*",{c:"#d83712"},"-"],
[{c:"#5dceba",t:"#5b3314",w:1.5},"TAB",{f:9},"Q","W",{c:"#d83712",t:"#eee2d0"},"E",{c:"#e86700"},"R",{c:"#e1ba44",t:"#5b3314"},"T",{c:"#5b3314",t:"#eee2d0"},"Y","U","I","O","P",{a:5,f:4},"{\n[","}\n]",{w:1.5},"|\n\\",{x:0.5,a:7},"DEL","END","PGDN",{x:0.5,c:"#e1ba44",t:"#5b3314",f:9},"7\nHome",{c:"#e86700",t:"#eee2d0"},"8\n",{c:"#d83712"},"9\nPgUp",{c:"#5dceba",t:"#5b3314",h:2},"+"],
[{f:4,w:1.75},"CAPS LOCK",{f:9},"A",{c:"#d83712",t:"#eee2d0"},"S",{c:"#e86700"},"D",{c:"#e1ba44",t:"#5b3314"},"F",{c:"#5b3314",t:"#eee2d0"},"G","H","J","K","L",{a:5,f:6},":\n;","\"\n'",{a:7,f:4,w:2.25},"ENTER",{x:4,c:"#e86700",f:9},"4\n",{c:"#d83712"},"5",{c:"#5dceba",t:"#5b3314"},"6\n"],
[{f:4,w:2.25},"SHIFT",{c:"#d83712",t:"#eee2d0",f:9},"Z",{c:"#e86700"},"X",{c:"#e1ba44",t:"#5b3314"},"C",{c:"#5b3314",t:"#eee2d0"},"V","B","N","M",{a:5,f:6},"<\n,",">\n.",{f:5},"?\n/",{a:7,f:4,w:2.75},"SHIFT",{x:1.5,c:"#e1ba44",t:"#5b3314",f:9},"",{x:1.5,c:"#d83712",t:"#eee2d0"},"1\nEnd",{c:"#5dceba",t:"#5b3314"},"2\n","3\nPgDn",{f:4,h:2},"ENTER"],
[{w:1.25},"CTRL",{c:"#d83712",t:"#eee2d0",w:1.25},"WIN",{c:"#e86700",w:1.25},"ALT",{c:"#5b3314",f:9,w:6.25},"",{f:4,w:1.25},"ALT",{w:1.25},"WIN",{w:1.25},"MENU",{w:1.25},"CTRL",{x:0.5,c:"#e1ba44",t:"#5b3314",f:9},"",{c:"#e86700",t:"#eee2d0"},"",{c:"#d83712"},"",{x:0.5,c:"#5dceba",t:"#5b3314",w:2},"0\nIns",".\nDel"]
I avoid this type because on the TKL you have an orphaned arrow cluster, but I suppose we could have the num pad be an add-on that would include the appropriate arrow cluster.
FWIW, I think the Browntown (diagonal with all brown numpad) and inverse gradient (with the yellow above the spacebar row) are the best two schemes (actually I can't decide between the gradients, right now I prefer the normal one, but the inverse does match the original image better).Yes...getting a consensus on this will be tough.
Post by: Data on Mon, 24 November 2014, 08:20:34
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 24 November 2014, 11:51:56
Post by: pexon on Mon, 24 November 2014, 17:35:12
Maybe repeat the diagonal gradient again on the numpad to make it feel more balanced?
I agree with Ivan. I don't use a numpad/ TK board, but this would be the best bet for aesthetics IMO
Post by: Data on Mon, 24 November 2014, 20:42:19
Green, red, orange, yellow, brown ... brown, yellow, orange, red, green
Nawmean?
Post by: Binge on Mon, 24 November 2014, 20:46:37
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 24 November 2014, 20:50:36
Maybe repeat the diagonal gradient again on the numpad to make it feel more balanced?
I dunno, I kinda like it asymmetrical like this. We don't get many asymmetrical sets.
Post by: maladroid on Mon, 24 November 2014, 21:28:24
I dunno, I kinda like it asymmetrical like this. We don't get many asymmetrical sets.
I agree. For me, the asymmetry is part of the appeal of this set.
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 24 November 2014, 22:45:39
Don't just repeat it, mirror it.
Green, red, orange, yellow, brown ... brown, yellow, orange, red, green
Nawmean?
I hear you and its difficult because the stagger is so nice on the left and so crappy on the right. In seems like it should work, and I've played with the layout many times and have never been happy with the result. Its like when Clark W Griswold's mom says, "I can picture it in my mind Clark baby, and its breathtaking. Unfortunately, in reality, not so much.
Here are few attempts:
[attach=1]
[attach=2]
[attach=3]
[attach=4]
I am not a designer, so if someone has a better design for a symmetrical layout, please present it.
At this point, I think a asymmetric design is more appealing.
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 24 November 2014, 22:47:45
Post by: jackalope on Tue, 25 November 2014, 01:11:04
Don't just repeat it, mirror it.
Green, red, orange, yellow, brown ... brown, yellow, orange, red, green
Nawmean?
I hear you and its difficult because the stagger is so nice on the left and so crappy on the right. In seems like it should work, and I've played with the layout many times and have never been happy with the result. Its like when Clark W Griswold's mom says, "I can picture it in my mind Clark baby, and it�s breathtaking��. Unfortunately, in reality, not so much.
Here are few attempts:
(Attachment Link)
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I am not a designer, so if someone has a better design for a symmetrical layout, please present it.
At this point, I think a asymmetric design is more appealing.
loving the third one.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 25 November 2014, 01:19:34
Post by: JackMills on Tue, 25 November 2014, 07:26:46
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 25 November 2014, 07:35:34
Post by: SL89 on Tue, 25 November 2014, 07:38:33
Post by: Data on Tue, 25 November 2014, 07:55:58
This is great. Can I make a suggestion?
On the number pad, do 4 vertical rows starting from the outside: green, red, orange, yellow. Leave the zero and period keys brown -- this will match the red/orange/yellow row placement (vertically) above the spacebar. You're never going to achieve the same angle as you're getting with the offset alpha rows, so don't try. This way also keeps the colorway primarily brown through TKL for those who've been craving a nice brown key set. Try it and let me know what you think.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 25 November 2014, 08:01:36
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tRc1T1H.png)
This is great. Can I make a suggestion?
On the number pad, do 4 vertical rows starting from the outside: green, red, orange, yellow. Leave the zero and period keys brown -- this will match the red/orange/yellow row placement (vertically) above the spacebar. You're never going to achieve the same angle as you're getting with the offset alpha rows, so don't try. This way also keeps the colorway primarily brown through TKL for those who've been craving a nice brown key set. Try it and let me know what you think.
Youe mean like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65935.msg1543658#msg1543658) (the last num pad)
Post by: Data on Tue, 25 November 2014, 08:22:33
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tRc1T1H.png)
This is great. Can I make a suggestion?
On the number pad, do 4 vertical rows starting from the outside: green, red, orange, yellow. Leave the zero and period keys brown -- this will match the red/orange/yellow row placement (vertically) above the spacebar. You're never going to achieve the same angle as you're getting with the offset alpha rows, so don't try. This way also keeps the colorway primarily brown through TKL for those who've been craving a nice brown key set. Try it and let me know what you think.
Youe mean like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65935.msg1543658#msg1543658) (the last num pad)
Yes! Exactly.
(http://i.imgur.com/gPkNoab.png)
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 25 November 2014, 11:42:12
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tRc1T1H.png)
This is great. Can I make a suggestion?
On the number pad, do 4 vertical rows starting from the outside: green, red, orange, yellow. Leave the zero and period keys brown -- this will match the red/orange/yellow row placement (vertically) above the spacebar. You're never going to achieve the same angle as you're getting with the offset alpha rows, so don't try. This way also keeps the colorway primarily brown through TKL for those who've been craving a nice brown key set. Try it and let me know what you think.
Youe mean like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65935.msg1543658#msg1543658) (the last num pad)
Yes! Exactly.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gPkNoab.png)
Too much blue IMO.
I still prefer this one, but with the brown numpad. I don't use a numpad though.
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=65935.0;attach=82596;image)
Also, if you're gonna add a gradient for fullsize keyboards, you should include the blue/red/orange caps for prntscrn, scroll lock, and pause in the numpad kit, then the brown ones in the the base set.
Post by: FingerPunch on Tue, 25 November 2014, 11:42:48
I sincerely hope that if these colors make it to a group buy that we don't throw on textured keys; the memories I have of 70s melamine furniture etc is always of nice glossy mute tone plastics.
I also think the topic is perhaps turning off some people; this is a groovy kickback to a stylish era, which doesn't seem to match what garish implies.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 25 November 2014, 12:45:25
I also think the topic is perhaps turning off some people; this is a groovy kickback to a stylish era, which doesn't seem to match what garish implies.
Yes, probably true, I will change the title.
Post by: Data on Tue, 25 November 2014, 12:56:53
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tRc1T1H.png)
This is great. Can I make a suggestion?
On the number pad, do 4 vertical rows starting from the outside: green, red, orange, yellow. Leave the zero and period keys brown -- this will match the red/orange/yellow row placement (vertically) above the spacebar. You're never going to achieve the same angle as you're getting with the offset alpha rows, so don't try. This way also keeps the colorway primarily brown through TKL for those who've been craving a nice brown key set. Try it and let me know what you think.
Youe mean like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65935.msg1543658#msg1543658) (the last num pad)
Yes! Exactly.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gPkNoab.png)
Too much blue IMO.
I still prefer this one, but with the brown numpad. I don't use a numpad though.Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=65935.0;attach=82596;image)
Also, if you're gonna add a gradient for fullsize keyboards, you should include the blue/red/orange caps for prntscrn, scroll lock, and pause in the numpad kit, then the brown ones in the the base set.
Maybe color gradient on the nav cluster could be an add-on pack?
Also, I don't think it's too much blue at all. If you refer back to the source image there's a roughly even amount of blue and brown in it.
Post by: GankIndustries on Tue, 25 November 2014, 13:12:03
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 25 November 2014, 13:16:51
Post by: Vibex on Tue, 25 November 2014, 13:19:51
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 25 November 2014, 13:19:56
No... the diagonals should both go the same direction / / is what I meant so the top left and bottom right end up the same color, or as much as is possible due to the difference in row/column alignment.
That might be what's killing it for me.
I'd like to see some mockups like this.
Post by: pexon on Tue, 25 November 2014, 13:24:39
Don't just repeat it, mirror it.
Green, red, orange, yellow, brown ... brown, yellow, orange, red, green
Nawmean?
I hear you and its difficult because the stagger is so nice on the left and so crappy on the right. In seems like it should work, and I've played with the layout many times and have never been happy with the result. Its like when Clark W Griswold's mom says, "I can picture it in my mind Clark baby, and its breathtaking. Unfortunately, in reality, not so much.
Here are few attempts:
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
I am not a designer, so if someone has a better design for a symmetrical layout, please present it.
At this point, I think a asymmetric design is more appealing.
They just don't look right to me, symmetrical is cool for most things, but the staggering of the oppposing colours looks wrong on the numpad, to my eyes.
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 25 November 2014, 15:07:07
No... the diagonals should both go the same direction / / is what I meant so the top left and bottom right end up the same color, or as much as is possible due to the difference in row/column alignment.
That might be what's killing it for me.
I'd like to see some mockups like this.
I did a "parallel" diagonals mockup with the layout tool on the previous page, but didn't show pictures, just posted the code.
Here is a picture of it:
[attach=1]
And I made the F4 red to match the lines better:
[attach=2]
And with a wooden background:
[attach=3]
Sorry about the case not matching the board size, my laptop display is a bit small.
Another option for the function row is to drop the yellow and use red and orange for F4 and F5 to match the WIN and ALT keys. Or use orange on the F4 to balance the WIN and ALT colours. I think this layout with optional all-brown numpad and arrows could be a nice one.
For more reference, the Keypop Coffee set used TGH: http://keypuller.com/coffee/
Post by: pexon on Tue, 25 November 2014, 15:12:24
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 25 November 2014, 15:14:06
I think this layout with optional all-brown numpad and arrows could be a nice one.
I think you're correct, but the gradient should be what's optional, not the all brown. Or at least ship it with brown arrow keys.
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 25 November 2014, 15:36:03
The presentation of asymmetry however creates a much more interesting effect.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 25 November 2014, 17:17:22
I think this layout with optional all-brown numpad and arrows could be a nice one.
I think you're correct, but the gradient should be what's optional, not the all brown. Or at least ship it with brown arrow keys.
Yes, from responses so far, I am envisioning a base TKL kit with optional num pad kits along the usual add-ons.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 25 November 2014, 17:18:17
I did a "parallel" diagonals mockup with the layout tool on the previous page, but didn't show pictures, just posted the code.
Here is a picture of it:
(Attachment Link)
And I made the F4 red to match the lines better:
(Attachment Link)
And with a wooden background:
(Attachment Link)
Sorry about the case not matching the board size, my laptop display is a bit small.
Another option for the function row is to drop the yellow and use red and orange for F4 and F5 to match the WIN and ALT keys. Or use orange on the F4 to balance the WIN and ALT colours. I think this layout with optional all-brown numpad and arrows could be a nice one.
For more reference, the Keypop Coffee set used TGH: http://keypuller.com/coffee/
Thanks for make these mockiups!!
Post by: swill on Tue, 25 November 2014, 17:23:02
I like the way the tkl and smaller will look with this one. A 75% would also look good with this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tRc1T1H.png)
This is great. Can I make a suggestion?
On the number pad, do 4 vertical rows starting from the outside: green, red, orange, yellow. Leave the zero and period keys brown -- this will match the red/orange/yellow row placement (vertically) above the spacebar. You're never going to achieve the same angle as you're getting with the offset alpha rows, so don't try. This way also keeps the colorway primarily brown through TKL for those who've been craving a nice brown key set. Try it and let me know what you think.
Youe mean like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65935.msg1543658#msg1543658) (the last num pad)
Yes! Exactly.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gPkNoab.png)
I like the symmetry on this version.
Post by: Data on Tue, 25 November 2014, 18:55:42
Yeah. Doesn't seem to be as popular. /shrugI like the way the tkl and smaller will look with this one. A 75% would also look good with this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tRc1T1H.png)
This is great. Can I make a suggestion?
On the number pad, do 4 vertical rows starting from the outside: green, red, orange, yellow. Leave the zero and period keys brown -- this will match the red/orange/yellow row placement (vertically) above the spacebar. You're never going to achieve the same angle as you're getting with the offset alpha rows, so don't try. This way also keeps the colorway primarily brown through TKL for those who've been craving a nice brown key set. Try it and let me know what you think.
Youe mean like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65935.msg1543658#msg1543658) (the last num pad)
Yes! Exactly.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gPkNoab.png)
I like the symmetry on this version.
Post by: FingerPunch on Wed, 26 November 2014, 02:32:04
Post by: meow a cat on Wed, 26 November 2014, 05:09:00
Great work so far. I'm especially digging the 1976 1.25x mods, that's awesome.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 26 November 2014, 10:34:47
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 26 November 2014, 12:05:35
Yes that was what I was talking about exactly. At the end of the day my likelihood of using it on a fullsize is slim at best so as long as it ends up good price I probably won't care one bit. Actually, just a 60% kit with 1.5 modifiers would be ideal for me really.
GH60 coming in soon?
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 26 November 2014, 19:51:24
Update: see OP (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65935.msg1542865#msg1542865) for preliminary sets.
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 26 November 2014, 21:29:08
Post by: swill on Wed, 26 November 2014, 22:36:54
One quick question. Why is the second 'Caps Lock' a 1.5 (or 1.75) instead of a 1.25? If you are going to switch the Ctrl and the Caps Lock, you will need a 1.25 Caps Lock for the base set.
I would put a 1.25 Caps Lock in the base set and a 1.5 Caps Lock in the Winkeyless set.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 26 November 2014, 22:42:37
One quick question. Why is the second 'Caps Lock' a 1.5 (or 1.75) instead of a 1.25? If you are going to switch the Ctrl and the Caps Lock, you will need a 1.25 Caps Lock for the base set.
I would put a 1.25 Caps Lock in the base set and a 1.5 Caps Lock in the Winkeyless set.
Good catch...that was an error. I intended to have a 1.25. I will fix that.
Thanks for the suggestion on the Winkeyless set. I will add the 1.5.
Post by: swill on Wed, 26 November 2014, 22:44:39
One quick question. Why is the second 'Caps Lock' a 1.5 (or 1.75) instead of a 1.25? If you are going to switch the Ctrl and the Caps Lock, you will need a 1.25 Caps Lock for the base set.
I would put a 1.25 Caps Lock in the base set and a 1.5 Caps Lock in the Winkeyless set.
Good catch...that was an error. I intended to have a 1.25. I will fix that.
Thanks for the suggestion on the Winkeyless set. I will add the 1.5.
Not sure if it saves much cost, but if the 1.25 caps lock key is in the base set, you can remove the blue one from the specialty kit since no one will need two blue ones.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 26 November 2014, 22:56:51
Not sure if it saves much cost, but if the 1.25 caps lock key is in the base set, you can remove the blue one from the specialty kit since no one will need two blue ones.
Very true, thanks!
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 26 November 2014, 23:03:30
Have we decided on SA vs DSA yet? I could probably tolerate DSA more than SA if it helps. In fact, let's get a poll going.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 26 November 2014, 23:08:02
Like this:[attach=1]
But it seems it would only be 10 more caps for Primary Gradient A buyers, and a lot less for Alternate Gradient buyers.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 26 November 2014, 23:10:31
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 26 November 2014, 23:19:31
Specialty kit should also have a 1x backspace. That's my only real nitpick.
Have we decided on SA vs DSA yet? I could probably tolerate DSA more than SA if it helps. In fact, let's get a poll going.
Not a problem....will add the 1x Backspace.
SA. It's more in keeping with the 70's aspect of the set. Furthermore, after holding the Nuclear Data Green set in my hands, I believe the semi-matte finish will be more fitting for this set.
Post by: Data on Thu, 27 November 2014, 00:22:17
I came up with a preliminary group of sets. Let me know what you guys think. What am I missing?
(Attachment Link)
Loving it. I'm in for a base set, alt gradient, and specialty kit at minimum.
You mentioned doing it in all Row 3 SA at one point. Is that still the plan?
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 27 November 2014, 00:34:09
You mentioned doing it in all Row 3 SA at one point. Is that still the plan?
Yes.... suppose I should specify that somewhere
Post by: swill on Thu, 27 November 2014, 10:32:39
I came up with a preliminary group of sets. Let me know what you guys think. What am I missing?
(Attachment Link)
Looking awesome... Can we add a blue 1976 1.25 key to the Alternate kit so we can have symmetry on both sides?
I am loving this set. If you make it in Row3 SA that will make it one of the most epic sets around... Can we get deep dish homing keys as well? It makes a pretty big difference IMO.
This is looking sooo good... :)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 27 November 2014, 12:18:47
Post by: unoab on Thu, 27 November 2014, 12:26:17
Post by: PunksDead on Thu, 27 November 2014, 12:28:07
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 27 November 2014, 13:18:37
Looking awesome... Can we add a blue 1976 1.25 key to the Alternate kit so we can have symmetry on both sides?
Can we get deep dish homing keys as well? It makes a pretty big difference IMO.
Ooops, another oversight. Thanks!
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 27 November 2014, 13:21:04
I think the base set should be 60% only... make nav+function row an add on kit. Yeah I want to be a CHEAPSKATE! I liked the individual 1 9 7 6 keys from earlier. F4 should be red really.
I thought about this. Need to ask SP if there is a price differential (i.e a set with N keys vs the same set broken into two sets).
Yes, on the F4. I omitted it as I was patterning the set after the original artwork in which the red and orange reach the bottom and the yellow reached the top. I understand where you guys are coming from, so adding it as an extra makes sense.
The "1 9 7 6" set could be an option.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 27 November 2014, 16:31:56
Post by: jackalope on Thu, 27 November 2014, 22:17:51
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 27 November 2014, 22:52:59
Curious if their could be a groovy or maybe funkadelic enter key.
Why not. adds a bit of levity. How about "Dyn-o-mite" or "The Man" or "Ten-Four"?
Post by: Joey Quinn on Fri, 28 November 2014, 03:22:07
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 28 November 2014, 07:45:54
It seems that I want this set more and more with each mockup. In for base set , primary and alternative gradient kit.
Curious if their could be a groovy or maybe funkadelic enter key.
Yeah, and where's the "DISCO" key!? :D I can hear the BeeGees playing in my mind...
I'm not sure it's worth offering the reverse diagonal numpad option, but maybe with a low MOQ on that item it could work as it is in the OP now, but with the addition of the red F4 key as an extra in the base kit :) I'm also not sure about the alternate stripe kit, I think it will also end up having a lot less orders than the main stripe, but again, could work as a low MOQ, higher initial cost kit.
Great that there are deep dish homing keys and Colemak and Dvorak kits :)
Can you dig it? That engicoder cat is far out! Gonna get down and boogie with this set. It's all hip in this gig. Keep on truckin'. Oh yeah, slip me some skin. <"you should be daaancin' - yeah">
-EDIT: Do you think Isotherm font or the standard modified Gorton would be best for this? Is Isotherm groovy or just too modern / scifi-ish? www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/LineFont.pdf
Post by: Data on Fri, 28 November 2014, 07:56:10
Curious if their could be a groovy or maybe funkadelic enter key.
Why not. adds a bit of levity. How about "Dyn-o-mite" or "The Man" or "Ten-Four"?
In honor of Thanksgiving: "Jive Turkey"
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 28 November 2014, 08:09:17
Post by: JPG on Fri, 28 November 2014, 08:12:43
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 08:37:43
Really like how this is looking, I assume it will be offered with blanks?
Yes...blanks of all 5 colors.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 08:44:43
I'm not sure it's worth offering the reverse diagonal numpad option, but maybe with a low MOQ on that item it could work as it is in the OP now, but with the addition of the red F4 key as an extra in the base kit :) I'm also not sure about the alternate stripe kit, I think it will also end up having a lot less orders than the main stripe, but again, could work as a low MOQ, higher initial cost kit.I am trying to make this set as flexible as possible. Its not like most two tone kits with mods and alphas, so for now lets let things ride. If we run this through PMK, some sets might not tip but that will be decided by the buyers. If we do it the old fashioned way, yes, MOQ will have to be considered.
-EDIT: Do you think Isotherm font or the standard modified Gorton would be best for this? Is Isotherm groovy or just too modern / scifi-ish? www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/LineFont.pdfProbably go with Gorton as it would have been closer to fonts used on keyboards at that time.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 28 November 2014, 10:38:43
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 12:18:06
May I suggest "GET REAL" for the enter key, "SPLIT" for Esc, "BUMMER" for Backspace and "BOOGIE" for Shift or is that too whimsical?
Nice suggestions...they all work pretty well. I will have to coalesce the various work suggestions into a mockup and see people prefer.
Post by: GankIndustries on Fri, 28 November 2014, 12:48:46
May I suggest "GET REAL" for the enter key, "SPLIT" for Esc, "BUMMER" for Backspace and "BOOGIE" for Shift or is that too whimsical?
Nice suggestions...they all work pretty well. I will have to coalesce the various work suggestions into a mockup and see people prefer.
I nominate "JIVE TURKEY" for the enter key.
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 28 November 2014, 12:53:04
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 28 November 2014, 13:16:24
Any thought to incorporating Avocado in the color mix? I know it wouldn't go with the blue, but maybe in lieu of the blue
Considering we're basing this set off of an image, I'm not big up on that idea.
On another note, how about a cyan enter key? That shouldn't be too expensive. Maybe even a whole set of all 4 colors?
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 28 November 2014, 13:18:52
Considering we're basing this set off of an image, I'm not big up on that idea.
Duly noted, and stricken out.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Fri, 28 November 2014, 16:39:57
Really like how this is looking, I assume it will be offered with blanks?
Yes...blanks of all 5 colors.
Sweet, I'm definitely in!
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 17:10:01
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 28 November 2014, 18:38:37
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 18:43:04
No righteous?
That's a long word....what key would you put that on? Right Shift seems like the obvious choice ;D
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 28 November 2014, 18:52:43
No righteous?
That's a long word....what key would you put that on? Right Shift seems like the obvious choice ;D
yessir right shift is righteous
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 18:57:44
yessir right shift is righteous
Added
Post by: longcat on Fri, 28 November 2014, 20:12:22
Post by: swill on Fri, 28 November 2014, 21:01:02
yessir right shift is righteous
Added
In the slang kit you should add one at 1.75 units long so it can be used as a short right shift if anyone wants to use this on a Pure layout.
This set is looking great btw. Good work...
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 28 November 2014, 21:07:30
In the specialty kit you should add one at 1.75 units long so it can be used as a short right shift if anyone wants to use this on a Pure layout.
FTFY
Post by: skipped on Fri, 28 November 2014, 21:44:30
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 21:58:10
In the specialty kit you should add one at 1.75 units long so it can be used as a short right shift if anyone wants to use this on a Pure layout.
FTFY
I think he meant "Slang Kit" as the specialty kit already has 1.75u shift. I think he means "RIGHTEOUS" on a 1.75u
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 28 November 2014, 21:59:52
In the specialty kit you should add one at 1.75 units long so it can be used as a short right shift if anyone wants to use this on a Pure layout.
FTFY
I think he meant "Slang Kit" as the specialty kit already has 1.75u shift. I think he means "RIGHTEOUS" on a 1.75u
Oh
well I'm cool with that if it's not expensive
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 22:20:51
Any chance of seeing an Ergodox kit? (with legends or not)
There will be blanks offered, but haven't added an ErgoDox specific set yet.
Here is a couple mockups:
With existing set and blanks
[attachimg=2]
With an ErogDox Kit
[attachimg=1]
Post by: swill on Fri, 28 November 2014, 22:31:38
Any chance of seeing an Ergodox kit? (with legends or not)
There will be blanks offered, but haven't added an ErgoDox specific set yet.
Here is a couple mockups:
With existing set and blanks
(Attachment Link)
With an ErogDox Kit
(Attachment Link)
That ergodox set is pretty sick. The standard is pretty awesome on an ergodox too (for the non-symmetrical look).
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 28 November 2014, 23:07:35
Post by: Data on Sat, 29 November 2014, 00:59:18
Any chance of seeing an Ergodox kit? (with legends or not)
There will be blanks offered, but haven't added an ErgoDox specific set yet.
Here is a couple mockups:
With existing set and blanks
(Attachment Link)
With an ErogDox Kit
(Attachment Link)
Heh, that worked out much better than I imagined. I wasn't even considering this set for Ergodox.
Post by: hjc1710 on Sat, 29 November 2014, 05:13:30
Might want to change your sig though engicoder, it still calls the buy the "Garish Chocolatey Brown Set", give this set the proper sexy title it deserves!
Post by: Oobly on Sat, 29 November 2014, 06:05:06
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 29 November 2014, 22:28:30
The ErgoDox sets are mocked up in the OP using blanks for all the non-alphas keys. Are there specific legends that are commonly used that should be included? Looking around there was a lot of variation among ErgoDox layouts, so it seems questionable to include any that would add cost but not be useful for the majority of buyers.
The Deep Space GB had the following kit:
[attach=1]
Any of these seem good, or should we stick with blanks?
Post by: n0rvig on Sun, 30 November 2014, 01:17:30
Post by: Zebadule on Sun, 30 November 2014, 11:17:08
Question for the ErgoDox folks:
The ErgoDox sets are mocked up in the OP using blanks for all the non-alphas keys. Are there specific legends that are commonly used that should be included? Looking around there was a lot of variation among ErgoDox layouts, so it seems questionable to include any that would add cost but not be useful for the majority of buyers.
The Deep Space GB had the following kit:
(Attachment Link)
Any of these seem good, or should we stick with blanks?
It's fairly common for the non-alpha keys to include those caps. The layouts can be very different, but as long as the set is all R3, then people have the freedom to re-arrange as needed (but you'd probably need to go with a single color, which means the same style of stripe wouldn't work). If you run it, definitely make sure that blanks are available too.
Other ErgoDox comments:
- ErgoDox sets seem to have smaller order numbers on average, so adding multiple hand color options may make it harder for the sets to tip.
- The reverse-stripe ErgoDox kit isn't Colemak compatible, but is my favorite.
Edit: Took a look at the sets again, changed comments a bit.
Post by: skipped on Sun, 30 November 2014, 11:22:06
Question for the ErgoDox folks:
The ErgoDox sets are mocked up in the OP using blanks for all the non-alphas keys. Are there specific legends that are commonly used that should be included? Looking around there was a lot of variation among ErgoDox layouts, so it seems questionable to include any that would add cost but not be useful for the majority of buyers.
The Deep Space GB had the following kit:
(Attachment Link)
Any of these seem good, or should we stick with blanks?
In my opinion, the Granite ergodox set felt very inclusive of options:
(https://i.imgur.com/paXn2do.png)
The only difficulty is that the inside column is brown and the outside column is 'cyan'. I don't want to say you shouldn't add legends, because it would be pretty awesome, but I'm not sure the resulting kit would be flexible enough for many different layouts.
Edit: got ninja'd
I agree with Zebadule, I don't think the ergodox set can be split into two separate parts. At the moment, EVE only has like 10 ergodox kit orders and Deep Space has about 10 as well.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 30 November 2014, 12:12:42
I suppose the asymmetric layout on the ErgoDox probably doesn't have the same effect as on a straight board, given that the two hands may be separated and at an angle, so the all brown would be the one to eliminate.
- ErgoDox sets seem to have smaller order numbers on average, so adding multiple hand color options may make it harder for the sets to tip.
- The reverse-stripe ErgoDox kit isn't Colemak compatible, but is my favorite.
As far as Dvorak and Colemak, if the ErgoDox numbers are small, these two will have even less interest. These folks may have to make do with the standard Dvorak/Colemak kits plus blanks.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 30 November 2014, 12:21:07
In my opinion, the Granite ergodox set felt very inclusive of options:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/paXn2do.png)
The only difficulty is that the inside column is brown and the outside column is 'cyan'. I don't want to say you shouldn't add legends, because it would be pretty awesome, but I'm not sure the resulting kit would be flexible enough for many different layouts.
If we eliminated the all brown right hand, then most of the 1.5u keys would be blue and the 2u would be brown. The 4 inner 1.5u would be the only real sacrifice.
Question is whether include blanks in the base kit and have these caps with legends as an add-on or vice versa, where the blanks would be add-on and the caps with legends included in the base kit.
Post by: Data on Mon, 01 December 2014, 07:57:11
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 01 December 2014, 08:44:42
I think it's be easiest to just support the symmetrical design and go cyan with legends on all the horizontal 1.5x, brown with legends on all the vertical keys, TBH.
Post by: Data on Mon, 01 December 2014, 13:26:52
May be best to get a poll going for ErgoDox owners to see which option (symmetrical or Brown right hand side) will get more orders and put the legends on the more popular one as a kit like the Ergodoxian from Granite, maybe drop the less popular option altogether?
I think it's be easiest to just support the symmetrical design and go cyan with legends on all the horizontal 1.5x, brown with legends on all the vertical keys, TBH.
If we did this version:
(http://i.imgur.com/mP4Odrd.png)
Then these would be my kit mods:
BLUE
1.5u:
Escape
Tab
Caps
Shift (x2)
Backspace
Backslash
Enter
RED
1u:
Ctrl (x2)
ORANGE
1u:
Arrow
Close Bracket
YELLOW
1u:
Arrow
Tilde/Accent
Quotes
Open Bracket
BROWN
1u:
Win
Menu/Fn
Layer Mod (x2)
Insert
Delete
Print Screen
Pause
Arrow (x2)
Minus
Equals
1.5u:
Home
End
Page Up
Page Down
2u:
Space
Alt
Enter
---
If you did legends for Ergodox you'd probably want to stick to the 1.5u and 2u keys in blue and brown. That means you've got to decide between having legends and continuing the color scheme on the 1u caps.
That gradient just makes it really hard to do an affordable Ergodox kit. There are too many layout options.
Post by: skipped on Mon, 01 December 2014, 15:24:42
Depending on the organization of the other sets, if there was a brown Tenkeys set then that could be suggested as an option for the 1x on the thumb clusters (as well as the three browns on the bottom of each hand) only leaving four blank colored keys on each hand.
Maybe include an option for colored 1 keys is the 1976 logo (one of each color would be cool) that people could use for OS keys or Esc keys
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 02 December 2014, 18:36:15
Maybe relegendables would be a better option?
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 02 December 2014, 22:32:54
Post by: swill on Wed, 03 December 2014, 09:23:37
Right now I am leaning towards eliminating the brown right hand set and offering an ErgoDox base set that includes both hands of the symmetric layout including the appropriate set of colored blanks. In addition, offer a separate set of legended caps with whatever "common" usages I can put together from the suggestions and available examples. This way, the fate of the set with legends is determined by buyers.
In order to get as many orders as you can for ergodox. I would recommend you only offer one ergodox set and you only offer blank mods...
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 03 December 2014, 15:03:49
Right now I am leaning towards eliminating the brown right hand set and offering an ErgoDox base set that includes both hands of the symmetric layout including the appropriate set of colored blanks. In addition, offer a separate set of legended caps with whatever "common" usages I can put together from the suggestions and available examples. This way, the fate of the set with legends is determined by buyers.
In order to get as many orders as you can for ergodox. I would recommend you only offer one ergodox set and you only offer blank mods...
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Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 03 December 2014, 15:07:46
Right now I am leaning towards eliminating the brown right hand set and offering an ErgoDox base set that includes both hands of the symmetric layout including the appropriate set of colored blanks. In addition, offer a separate set of legended caps with whatever "common" usages I can put together from the suggestions and available examples. This way, the fate of the set with legends is determined by buyers.
In order to get as many orders as you can for ergodox. I would recommend you only offer one ergodox set and you only offer blank mods...
[attachimg=1]
I must admit that this set looks the best with the dox.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 03 December 2014, 15:44:04
i like the idea of relegendable mods though
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 03 December 2014, 17:53:30
Right now I am leaning towards eliminating the brown right hand set and offering an ErgoDox base set that includes both hands of the symmetric layout including the appropriate set of colored blanks. In addition, offer a separate set of legended caps with whatever "common" usages I can put together from the suggestions and available examples. This way, the fate of the set with legends is determined by buyers.
In order to get as many orders as you can for ergodox. I would recommend you only offer one ergodox set and you only offer blank mods...
That's what I was trying to say. The legend kit would only be mods., i.e. would be purchased in addition to the base ErgoDox kit. This wouldn't impact the sale numbers of the base set, but would offer a legended kit for those who want it....should it tip.
Post by: skipped on Wed, 03 December 2014, 18:18:13
Right now I am leaning towards eliminating the brown right hand set and offering an ErgoDox base set that includes both hands of the symmetric layout including the appropriate set of colored blanks. In addition, offer a separate set of legended caps with whatever "common" usages I can put together from the suggestions and available examples. This way, the fate of the set with legends is determined by buyers.
In order to get as many orders as you can for ergodox. I would recommend you only offer one ergodox set and you only offer blank mods...
That's what I was trying to say. The legend kit would only be mods., i.e. would be purchased in addition to the base ErgoDox kit. This wouldn't impact the sale numbers of the base set, but would offer a legended kit for those who want it....should it tip.
Tipping an ergodox set at 25 is hard enough, the MOQ for mods with legends would have to be REALLY low which would mean a pretty high cost
Post by: 0100010 on Wed, 03 December 2014, 19:15:34
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 03 December 2014, 19:29:32
I think we should have the basic one come with the base set, then either drop the other one or leave it as it's own kit.
Post by: Data on Thu, 04 December 2014, 10:40:13
What if neither gradient tips?
I think we should have the basic one come with the base set, then either drop the other one or leave it as it's own kit.
This lowers the cost for you and raises it substantially for me since I want a slightly shifted gradient. Then I'm forced to buy 2 gradient kits, one of which I'll never use. That's not exactly fair. The set basically requires a gradient kit, so the possibility of neither kit tipping is incredibly low and if that's somehow the case, indicates that the entire set is in danger of not tipping.
But I'm pretty sure there's enough interest to avoid that.
Post by: longcat on Sat, 06 December 2014, 11:52:17
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 07 December 2014, 20:51:21
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 07 December 2014, 22:07:37
Post by: FingerPunch on Mon, 08 December 2014, 12:03:08
I find the homing keys with SA very disorienting because I've used home keys with bumps for so long, everything else about the profile I like. Perhaps the home keys on this set could have a matte face?
I really doubt this will be universally accepted, but I would personally find it very useful.
Post by: Rotaku on Mon, 08 December 2014, 16:52:12
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 08 December 2014, 17:10:51
I assume this will be a Cherry set? No love for my Alps.
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 09 December 2014, 06:21:34
This is a shot in the dark, but I have a request/suggestion.
I find the homing keys with SA very disorienting because I've used home keys with bumps for so long, everything else about the profile I like. Perhaps the home keys on this set could have a matte face?
I really doubt this will be universally accepted, but I would personally find it very useful.
This is an interesting idea. I've been using SA with deep dished home buttons and "normal" home buttons (normal top like all the other keys) and I have not found the deep dish to really stand out enough when touch-typing, they feel very similar to the "normal" ones, especially when typing fast. The little homing nubs on DCS is much more noticable and tactile for me. You may be onto something with trying a matte surface. :D
The red key on the right is matte SA (from the Commando GB):
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-96l5wUOWynM/UeG7d7ueiII/AAAAAAAAET8/psTjGN6faUI/w1000-h667-no/thicknesscompare.png)
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 09 December 2014, 08:02:17
I've been looking for an SA set to buy, and I think this is a promising one. I would buy.
I assume this will be a Cherry set? No love for my Alps.
Assumption correct. This set will be MX.
There is an IC for a black SoWaRe ALPS set on PMK, though. Go cast your vote so that it happens.
This is a shot in the dark, but I have a request/suggestion.
I find the homing keys with SA very disorienting because I've used home keys with bumps for so long, everything else about the profile I like. Perhaps the home keys on this set could have a matte face?
I really doubt this will be universally accepted, but I would personally find it very useful.
This is an interesting idea. I've been using SA with deep dished home buttons and "normal" home buttons (normal top like all the other keys) and I have not found the deep dish to really stand out enough when touch-typing, they feel very similar to the "normal" ones, especially when typing fast. The little homing nubs on DCS is much more noticable and tactile for me. You may be onto something with trying a matte surface. :D
The red key on the right is matte SA (from the Commando GB):Show Image(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-96l5wUOWynM/UeG7d7ueiII/AAAAAAAAET8/psTjGN6faUI/w1000-h667-no/thicknesscompare.png)
And that's why I don't like deep dish.
I do like the matte idea, however. It might look a little strange. Maybe include both if it's not too expensive?
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 09 December 2014, 08:51:41
I find the homing keys with SA very disorienting because I've used home keys with bumps for so long, everything else about the profile I like. Perhaps the home keys on this set could have a matte face?
I really doubt this will be universally accepted, but I would personally find it very useful.
And that's why I don't like deep dish.
I do like the matte idea, however. It might look a little strange. Maybe include both if it's not too expensive?
I agree that the matte homing keys sound like a good one.
Should we offer the matte homing keys
- as part of their parent/base sets such that each set would include a deep dish and matte version of each associated homing key
- in separate sets, such that the parent/base sets would have no homing keys. There would be an optional set with deep dish homing keys and an optional set with matte homing keys
- as an optional set that would include matte homing keys for qwerty, dvorak and colemak. The deep dish homing keys would be ekpt as part of the base sets.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 09 December 2014, 15:52:47
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 09 December 2014, 16:20:20
Post by: swill on Wed, 10 December 2014, 00:08:51
4. The base set comes with normal, deep dish & matte homing keys. Offer an optional set which includes both deep dish and matte homing keys for dvorak and coleman.
This way for almost no cost more people can figure out for themselves if they prefer deep dish or matte homing keys. This will probably help future buys because more people will know what they prefer. Also, only a subset of people will want the alternate layout homing keys, so don't force people to buy that set if they only want the matte homing keys for the base set.
Thats my $0.02 anyway...
Post by: hjc1710 on Wed, 10 December 2014, 01:40:52
I would propose a 4th option.
4. The base set comes with normal, deep dish & matte homing keys. Offer an optional set which includes both deep dish and matte homing keys for dvorak and coleman.
This way for almost no cost more people can figure out for themselves if they prefer deep dish or matte homing keys. This will probably help future buys because more people will know what they prefer. Also, only a subset of people will want the alternate layout homing keys, so don't force people to buy that set if they only want the matte homing keys for the base set.
Thats my $0.02 anyway...
Couldn't agree more with this. Especially the second paragraph, matte homing keys sound like a really good idea for SA. :thumb:
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 10 December 2014, 03:22:33
I would propose a 4th option.
4. The base set comes with normal, deep dish & matte homing keys. Offer an optional set which includes both deep dish and matte homing keys for dvorak and coleman.
This way for almost no cost more people can figure out for themselves if they prefer deep dish or matte homing keys. This will probably help future buys because more people will know what they prefer. Also, only a subset of people will want the alternate layout homing keys, so don't force people to buy that set if they only want the matte homing keys for the base set.
Thats my $0.02 anyway...
I like this idea, but I propose that the deep dish and matte homing keys get added to the base Dvorak and Colemak sets, too. Seems silly to have to add extra kits just for the homing keys when adding a Dvorak kit, for instance. Shouldn't raise the price of the kits too much, either, and promote Dvorak and Colemak orders due to alleviating concern over the homing keys kit tipping.
Post by: swill on Sat, 13 December 2014, 19:33:10
Yes I agree. I did not actually check to see what all the recent options are. I agree that they should go in the Dvorak and Colman sets.I would propose a 4th option.
4. The base set comes with normal, deep dish & matte homing keys. Offer an optional set which includes both deep dish and matte homing keys for dvorak and coleman.
This way for almost no cost more people can figure out for themselves if they prefer deep dish or matte homing keys. This will probably help future buys because more people will know what they prefer. Also, only a subset of people will want the alternate layout homing keys, so don't force people to buy that set if they only want the matte homing keys for the base set.
Thats my $0.02 anyway...
I like this idea, but I propose that the deep dish and matte homing keys get added to the base Dvorak and Colemak sets, too. Seems silly to have to add extra kits just for the homing keys when adding a Dvorak kit, for instance. Shouldn't raise the price of the kits too much, either, and promote Dvorak and Colemak orders due to alleviating concern over the homing keys kit tipping.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 13 December 2014, 20:35:12
I would propose a 4th option.
4. The base set comes with normal, deep dish & matte homing keys. Offer an optional set which includes both deep dish and matte homing keys for dvorak and coleman.
This way for almost no cost more people can figure out for themselves if they prefer deep dish or matte homing keys. This will probably help future buys because more people will know what they prefer. Also, only a subset of people will want the alternate layout homing keys, so don't force people to buy that set if they only want the matte homing keys for the base set.
Thats my $0.02 anyway...
I like this idea, but I propose that the deep dish and matte homing keys get added to the base Dvorak and Colemak sets, too. Seems silly to have to add extra kits just for the homing keys when adding a Dvorak kit, for instance. Shouldn't raise the price of the kits too much, either, and promote Dvorak and Colemak orders due to alleviating concern over the homing keys kit tipping.
++
this is a much better idea
Post by: FingerPunch on Tue, 16 December 2014, 11:50:46
I did a brief search and couldn't find an example picture of a bump SA home key, if someone has one, please share.
Post by: swill on Tue, 16 December 2014, 16:09:30
Post by: Jason_IRL on Wed, 17 December 2014, 16:21:27
Post by: dimmu on Wed, 17 December 2014, 20:27:46
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 17 December 2014, 21:04:32
Definitely will buy into this when you finally run it on PMK's website, lets hope it's soon.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 17 December 2014, 21:55:24
I didn't realize until today... Signature Platics has a row 3 home key mold with a bump (see http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf (http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf)), deep dish is just an option. This seems preferable to a matte key, and would probably be more universally accepted, and reduce the number of options we'd need to offer.
I did a brief search and couldn't find an example picture of a bump SA home key, if someone has one, please share.
Very interesting. I think most would like to see what they mean by "bump" before forgoing the matte option. Hopefully someone has an example. If not, I will see if SP can come up with something.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 17 December 2014, 21:57:43
had a look at the OP just now. love the way you broke down the kits. this is going to be awesome... GJ...
I've actually been working on making a few adjustments based on the feedback...I am also making sure the colors of the keycap faces better reflect the actual SP ABS colors. I am almost done. I will post when the new update has been posted.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 18 December 2014, 03:11:34
I didn't realize until today... Signature Platics has a row 3 home key mold with a bump (see http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf (http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf)), deep dish is just an option. This seems preferable to a matte key, and would probably be more universally accepted, and reduce the number of options we'd need to offer.
I did a brief search and couldn't find an example picture of a bump SA home key, if someone has one, please share.
Very interesting. I think most would like to see what they mean by "bump" before forgoing the matte option. Hopefully someone has an example. If not, I will see if SP can come up with something.
I believe the SA homing bump is a small central dot as seen in this image from the Commando set GB:
(http://i.imgur.com/l9s7qhj.jpg)
Not sure how others feel about this, but I for one would like to have these homing keys. The little bump is subtle, but easier for me to feel than the deep dish when typing fast. I have actually become quite used to using my Penumbra set without any special homing keys, but I would prefer to have the ones with bumps.
Post by: Data on Thu, 18 December 2014, 08:07:09
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 18 December 2014, 21:16:45
Post by: ideus on Thu, 18 December 2014, 21:54:16
Blue 1.75u control
Brown 1.5u back space
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 December 2014, 22:06:36
Post by: atectatifern on Fri, 19 December 2014, 06:25:06
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 19 December 2014, 15:58:05
Thanks for everyone's help in making this set complete.
EDIT: The homing keys will be provided as regular, deep dish and bump.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 19 December 2014, 16:05:00
You may add the following keys for the people that use control instead of caps lock and back space instead of the |\ key:
Blue 1.75u control
Brown 1.5u back space
There is a 1.75u control in the base kit.
I will see about adding the backspace to the Specialty Kit.
Post by: Data on Fri, 19 December 2014, 16:10:23
Just updated the image sets in the OP (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65935.0). To reflect my attempt to add all the suggestions so far. Take a look and see if there are any glaring mistakes. If it looks good. I will put it up on PMK for IC and go from there.
Thanks for everyone's help in making this set complete.
EDIT: The homing keys will be provided as regular, deep dish and bump.
Nice job man.
You identified "G" as the homing key in the Alternate Gradient kit. :)
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 19 December 2014, 16:18:40
Nice job man.
You identified "G" as the homing key in the Alternate Gradient kit. :)
Son of a.... :-[
It never happened ;D
Post by: swill on Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:09:37
Also, what is with the extra random colored Y and Z keys in the gradient sets? I am not sure I understand them...
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:40:18
The legends of the arrow keys in your base set is messed up. :)
Whoops! Thanks.
Also, what is with the extra random colored Y and Z keys in the gradient sets? I am not sure I understand them...
QWERTZ German and Easter Europe
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 20 December 2014, 00:33:48
i.e.
[attachimg=1]
If so, would you prefer:
- to replace the text navigation cluster (i.e. "UP,DOWN,RIGHT, LEFT")
- included in addition to the text direction keys as part the base kit
- as an optional add-on kit
Other colors?
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 20 December 2014, 07:18:35
Post by: swill on Sat, 20 December 2014, 11:09:26
Is there interest in having symbolic arrow keys for the navigation cluster?My opinion:
i.e.
(Attachment Link)
If so, would you prefer:
- to replace the text navigation cluster (i.e. "UP,DOWN,RIGHT, LEFT")
- included in addition to the text direction keys as part the base kit
- as an optional add-on kit
Other colors?
- I don't think symbolic arrow keys should be the default because we are not using symbols on any of the other keys.
- I like the idea of having the option of getting symbolic arrow keys though.
- I think they should be an additional optional kit as not everyone will want them. (This may risk them not reaching moq).
My two cents anyway.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 20 December 2014, 15:02:49
Is there interest in having symbolic arrow keys for the navigation cluster?My opinion:
i.e.
(Attachment Link)
If so, would you prefer:
- to replace the text navigation cluster (i.e. "UP,DOWN,RIGHT, LEFT")
- included in addition to the text direction keys as part the base kit
- as an optional add-on kit
Other colors?
- I don't think symbolic arrow keys should be the default because we are not using symbols on any of the other keys.
- I like the idea of having the option of getting symbolic arrow keys though.
- I think they should be an additional optional kit as not everyone will want them. (This may risk them not reaching moq).
My two cents anyway.
Agreed. In general, I prefer symbolic arrows, but when a set is designed with all-text mods I prefer to keep that theme going. So I echo swill's thoughts on this one.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 20 December 2014, 15:04:50
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 20 December 2014, 22:55:38
I would definitely prefer arrows over up down left right. I would put them both in the base kit. It's not really causing much additional bloat. I don't really get the point of having the extra Z Y keys either if you aren't going to have all the rest of keys needed for any of correct German, Swiss, Hungarian, Slovak, Czech, Serbian... it really serves no purpose.
I was trying to cover the differences that touched the gradient portion. The majority of the differences fall in the brown zone and includes keys not covered by any group buy. In most group buys the Y and Z can be swapped without consequence. but that is not the case with the gradient.
Maybe these should be part of the ISO kit...and possible add blue 1u <> key as well.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 21 December 2014, 09:16:41
Otherwise, yeah putting them in the ISO kit makes more sense.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 21 December 2014, 11:08:38
Actually a 30 or so key German/Serbian kit would be kind of sweet. Those 2 layout are most similar and have almost the same numrow if leave off the Alt Gr legends... then just the additional accented letters. I would buy that just to have something different that is usually not available in buys.
Otherwise, yeah putting them in the ISO kit makes more sense.
Interesting. I looked at the Wikipedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ) images of the layouts and did some searching and the German layout seems standardized, but I found a lot of variations for Serbian...some Latin, some Cyrillic. Some ISO, some ANSI. Assuming the ISO as shown in Wikipedia, I made up this sample...
[attachimg=1]
I know its not correct yet, so tell me what needs fixing. Thanks
Post by: swill on Sun, 21 December 2014, 12:16:26
I am guessing you will need to start a pmk vote soon to get this started as a GB? Not sure how long that will take, but u suspect we can get through the vote stage pretty quickly with this epicness.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 21 December 2014, 12:37:28
Just want to say that I love how open you are to ideas. You are also super fast to show mockups and hash through ideas which is making this set $%#&@!% awesome.Thanks. I see this as a community effort, I'm just acting as coordinator. Cheesy analogy follows: FingerPunch had the seed, Oobly and I planted it, and the GeekHack community helps nurture it as it grows. Hopefully soon we can all partake of its bounty.
I am guessing you will need to start a pmk vote soon to get this started as a GB? Not sure how long that will take, but u suspect we can get through the vote stage pretty quickly with this epicness.
Yes...very soon. I just wanted a few days for everyone to check my work. Also trying to time it so that if it goes to group buy quickly, there will be enough time for people to emerge from their holiday poverty and buy.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 21 December 2014, 15:29:02
If other people are even interested in German/Serbian, perhaps roll the GB ISO set in and have a trilingual ISO kit since they would need the ISO return and shift anyway.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 21 December 2014, 15:48:39
Yeah that looks cool. I think safe to go with the current ISO Latin based standard. If it's all uniform profile there is no need for 2 + * keys.
If other people are even interested in German/Serbian, perhaps roll the GB ISO set in and have a trilingual ISO kit since they would need the ISO return and shift anyway.
I'll remove the extra + * key, thanks.
When you say roll the GB ISO in, do you mean have two ISO options: 1) GB ISO and 2) Trilingaul or just the Trilingual?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 22 December 2014, 07:58:48
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 22 December 2014, 08:57:50
Yeah I mean just have one ISO kit with the ISO enter, shift, and the Britain, German and Serbian key all together. If people want the German/Serbian they would have to buy the ISO British set you already had anyway so...
That would make the relative small UK set much larger for what is probably a minority. Maybe it makes more sense to have two sets and duplicate those keys in each. That way the UK set would remain as it is, and the German/Serbian kit would have to stand on its own, demand wise.
BTW, I am toying with using a outline/ghost image in these partial sets to show what caps are offered. See the example below, is this a plus, or is it too much clutter? If its a plus, which one...with or without color?
[attachimg=1]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:41:03
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 22 December 2014, 16:12:36
Post by: goflo on Mon, 22 December 2014, 16:16:31
Post by: Geroximo on Mon, 29 December 2014, 19:18:21
I'm probably in for at least a Base, Primary Gradient and a German ISO Kit.
Make it happen pls :thumb:
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 29 December 2014, 21:19:56
Hopefully the teal/yellow/orange/red won't turn out too bright ... a bit of a darker tone would benefit the vintage style.
Here are the colors as they stand as rendered from scans done by Dianoda in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45743.msg987340#msg987340).
[attachimg=1]
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 30 December 2014, 12:37:09
Please vote! http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/ (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/)
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 30 December 2014, 13:28:01
The interest check is live on PMK!
Please vote! http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/ (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/)
Even though the interest check is on PMK, will you be doing the actual GB on there as well, or will you be organizing it on your own like the Rad Hard set? Just curious. I am definitely down for the Base Kit and Alternate Gradient. Right on! :thumb:
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 30 December 2014, 13:36:35
The interest check is live on PMK!
Please vote! http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/ (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/)
Even though the interest check is on PMK, will you be doing the actual GB on there as well, or will you be organizing it on your own like the Rad Hard set? Just curious. I am definitely down for the Base Kit and Alternate Gradient. Right on! :thumb:
The GB will be run through PMK as well, unless there is a need to do it another way.
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 30 December 2014, 13:46:19
The interest check is live on PMK!
Please vote! http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/ (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/)
Even though the interest check is on PMK, will you be doing the actual GB on there as well, or will you be organizing it on your own like the Rad Hard set? Just curious. I am definitely down for the Base Kit and Alternate Gradient. Right on! :thumb:
The GB will be run through PMK as well, unless there is a need to do it another way.
Very cool, SP needs all the support they can get these days. I look forward to certain key personnel returning to their post there so that productivity smooths out...know what I mean?
Post by: dimmu on Tue, 30 December 2014, 14:15:55
Post by: Data on Tue, 30 December 2014, 14:38:53
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 30 December 2014, 14:46:46
Voted. I have a feeling this one will be a huge success.
I am already dreaming of novelties to accommodate this one...SA Row 3 is 'Outta Sight' right now.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 30 December 2014, 16:04:36
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 30 December 2014, 16:21:57
please tell me this comes with a 7x spacebar.
The Winkeyless kit includes a 7x spacebar. There will probably be a child deal for extra space bars as singles as well.
Post by: dimmu on Tue, 30 December 2014, 16:25:19
please tell me this comes with a 7x spacebar.
The Winkeyless kit includes a 7x spacebar. There will probably be a child deal for extra space bars as singles as well.
awesome. im drooling right now.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 30 December 2014, 16:29:49
Very cool, SP needs all the support they can get these days. I look forward to certain key personnel returning to their post there so that productivity smooths out...know what I mean?
Yes, it will be nice to have Melissa back, but Bob has done well. He always has been prompt in replying to my inquiries. Considering that he is probably covering Melissa's interface work has been in addition to his regular job, I think Bob has done a great job covering.
Post by: meow a cat on Tue, 30 December 2014, 17:04:21
Definitely in for a TKL and colour kit, and possibly blanks for a JD40.
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 30 December 2014, 17:13:13
Actually, Melissa is working from home...Very cool, SP needs all the support they can get these days. I look forward to certain key personnel returning to their post there so that productivity smooths out...know what I mean?
Yes, it will be nice to have Melissa back, but Bob has done well. He always has been prompt in replying to my inquiries. Considering that he is probably covering Melissa's interface work has been in addition to his regular job, I think Bob has done a great job covering.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 30 December 2014, 17:59:22
Actually, Melissa is working from home...
Ah..didn't realize that. She really goes the extra mile for everyone.
Post by: Moralless on Tue, 30 December 2014, 17:59:39
Just wondering what sized blanks are you planning to offer when the GB goes live?
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 30 December 2014, 18:10:52
Congrats on all the votes your IC has already accumulated in the short time it has been up on PMK, I'm sure this keyset will be a great success. :thumb:
Just wondering what sized blanks are you planning to offer when the GB goes live?
1u, 1.5u, and 2u in blue and brown
1u in red, orange and yellow
I'm open to other suggestions.
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 30 December 2014, 20:27:11
JD40 needs 1.25's and 1.75'sCongrats on all the votes your IC has already accumulated in the short time it has been up on PMK, I'm sure this keyset will be a great success. :thumb:
Just wondering what sized blanks are you planning to offer when the GB goes live?
1u, 1.5u, and 2u in blue and brown
1u in red, orange and yellow
I'm open to other suggestions.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 30 December 2014, 20:33:06
JD40 needs 1.25's and 1.75's
No problem. I assume these are mods so blue and brown for colors?
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 30 December 2014, 20:34:04
Post by: swill on Tue, 30 December 2014, 20:43:30
IC on PMK already hit 100 votes!! That was faster than I expected.I didn't even realize it was up already. I will vote once I get to a putter. I expect this will be quick to get to mass.
Sorry R5, another little buy is coming to bump you again. :)
Guess I will have to wait longer for my 3 R5 sets. Haha... I don't mind.
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 30 December 2014, 21:23:58
Most defJD40 needs 1.25's and 1.75's
No problem. I assume these are mods so blue and brown for colors?
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 30 December 2014, 21:26:04
FYI my SA Row 3 relegendables will be coming up right after the current Fallout set.IC on PMK already hit 100 votes!! That was faster than I expected.I didn't even realize it was up already. I will vote once I get to a putter. I expect this will be quick to get to mass.
Sorry R5, another little buy is coming to bump you again. :)
Guess I will have to wait longer for my 3 R5 sets. Haha... I don't mind.
Post by: Streiw on Wed, 31 December 2014, 23:54:17
Actually, Melissa is working from home...Very cool, SP needs all the support they can get these days. I look forward to certain key personnel returning to their post there so that productivity smooths out...know what I mean?
Yes, it will be nice to have Melissa back, but Bob has done well. He always has been prompt in replying to my inquiries. Considering that he is probably covering Melissa's interface work has been in addition to his regular job, I think Bob has done a great job covering.
Bob is still doing some of her workload, else I wouldn't have responses indicating such.
Post by: goflo on Thu, 01 January 2015, 09:04:13
I want to use the ergodox kit with the german kit together.
Could you add a yellow "Z" 1U, the german umlauts in the cyan like color ("" in 1U, "" and "" in 1.5U), the "?" and "^" in 1,5U to the german set?
Else the colors wouldn't match for the german ergodox users. I know that "we" may be only a small amount of buyers, but it would be nice to have that beautiful set in it's full beauty and not with wrong spots ;)
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 01 January 2015, 11:44:41
[attachimg=1]
Oh yeah!!
If I add a few caps to the Specialty set, the JD-40 can be populated using the base, gradient and specialty. Not sure about a 40% specific kit.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 01 January 2015, 12:02:12
I got an idea for a small change.
I want to use the ergodox kit with the german kit together.
Could you add a yellow "Z" 1U, the german umlauts in the cyan like color ("" in 1U, "" and "" in 1.5U), the "?" and "^" in 1,5U to the german set?
Else the colors wouldn't match for the german ergodox users. I know that "we" may be only a small amount of buyers, but it would be nice to have that beautiful set in it's full beauty and not with wrong spots ;)
Is this what you mean?
[attachimg=1]
As you said...the number of people looking for this is relatively small, so I'm not sure I want to add it to the German kit. Could possibly add it as its own kit, but I'm not sure it would tip. Feel free to change my mind :D
Post by: goflo on Thu, 01 January 2015, 12:06:56
The rest is right.
Hmm, could you set the MOQ for that particular kit rather low? I know the price would get higher, but I'd rather like a higher price than a not tipping part and a uncomplete keyset :'(
*edit*
You corrected it while I was typing ;)
Post by: HendyZone on Thu, 01 January 2015, 12:16:43
Nice touch on the gradient
Hoping for the GB live ;)
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 01 January 2015, 12:28:40
Almost.... The "" is right, the "" and "" need to be 1,5U.
The rest is right.
Hmm, could you set the MOQ for that particular kit rather low? I know the price would get higher, but I'd rather like a higher price than a not tipping part and a uncomplete keyset :'(
*edit*
You corrected it while I was typing ;)
I guess another option would be to add the to the German kit and bump the Serb/Slav keys to their own kit.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 01 January 2015, 13:37:00
Post by: goflo on Thu, 01 January 2015, 13:42:40
I think internationalization is always a problem with those kits, but since engicoder made a special german/slavic kit (which I'm really happy about) I thought it might fit in there.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 01 January 2015, 13:52:31
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 01 January 2015, 14:51:27
Maybe add +? and also so can catch the Nordic guys on the EDOX add on too?
That could work...sort of an EDOX international kit.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 01 January 2015, 20:32:01
Maybe add +? and also so can catch the Nordic guys on the EDOX add on too?
What about these:
I revised the German kit to include Nordic and added a German, etc ErgoDox kit.
[attachimg=1]
[attachimg=2]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 01 January 2015, 20:50:44
Post by: meow a cat on Fri, 02 January 2015, 00:14:00
There was a comment on PMK asking about JD40 and if it would work....
(Attachment Link)
Oh yeah!!
If I add a few caps to the Specialty set, the JD-40 can be populated using the base, gradient and specialty. Not sure about a 40% specific kit.
I would be in for a JD40 kit for sure! This looks great.
Post by: goflo on Sat, 03 January 2015, 14:08:55
That looks great. And it will hurt my wallet ;D ;D :-X
Do you already know what could be the MOQ for those small kits?
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:48:08
@engicoder
That looks great. And it will hurt my wallet ;D ;D :-X
Do you already know what could be the MOQ for those small kits?
Most will probably be around 25. Some may be lower for those that could have trouble reaching 25.
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:50:21
If I add a few caps to the Specialty set, the JD-40 can be populated using the base, gradient and specialty.
This would be all that we would need, bud.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 07 January 2015, 01:10:07
Most will probably be around 25. Some may be lower for those that could have trouble reaching 25.
I'll get the usual all 4 complete sets plus 16 spacers :thumb: .
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 07 January 2015, 09:28:24
I'll get the usual all 4 complete sets plus 16 spacers :thumb: .
You the man! BTW, remnants of the cold war should be heading your way within a week!
Post by: Data on Wed, 07 January 2015, 10:22:50
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 07 January 2015, 11:02:42
I wonder what I'd need to use this on a Planck or Atomic keyboard.
Blanks will be offered, so it could be done that way. The gradient would be at a much more acute angle, but could work.
Post by: goflo on Wed, 07 January 2015, 12:03:38
Most will probably be around 25. Some may be lower for those that could have trouble reaching 25.
The german kit will not tip with 25 I think. I remember the Deep Space GB the last month. The ergodox kit had a MOQ of 25 and did not tip. And those were attracting a wider buyers group than a nordic/german/slavic kit :-[
Post by: FingerPunch on Wed, 07 January 2015, 15:45:44
I wonder what I'd need to use this on a Planck or Atomic keyboard.
I wondered this as well, since I'm building one. I've been meaning to shift the layout to see how the colors look on an ortholinear board, but surprisingly haven't found the time for such a simple project.
This set sure has come a long way since I first posted the picture! Who knew what a catalyst it would be.
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 07 January 2015, 16:34:00
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 07 January 2015, 17:14:01
You the man! BTW, remnants of the cold war should be heading your way within a week!
BRILLIANT, so want to have them to further accentuate my Nuclears :thumb: .
Damn we are so lucky in finally witnessing the development of actual mini suns, flourishing everywhere on the surface of this planet soon.
Post by: Data on Wed, 07 January 2015, 20:32:24
I wonder what I'd need to use this on a Planck or Atomic keyboard.
Blanks will be offered, so it could be done that way. The gradient would be at a much more acute angle, but could work.
It would be at a perfect 45 degrees, wouldn't it?
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 07 January 2015, 23:00:05
Yes...45 degrees....whether that's perfect or not is up to the beholder.I wonder what I'd need to use this on a Planck or Atomic keyboard.
Blanks will be offered, so it could be done that way. The gradient would be at a much more acute angle, but could work.
It would be at a perfect 45 degrees, wouldn't it?
[attachimg=1]
It looks very similar to the look of the ErgoDox.
I think personally, I prefer the angle on a classic stagger.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 08 January 2015, 00:18:38
(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-mario-bros/thumb/3/31/SuperMario023.jpg/225px-SuperMario023.jpg)
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 08 January 2015, 08:48:46
You know the first thing I think of seeing that... Mario...Show Image(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-mario-bros/thumb/3/31/SuperMario023.jpg/225px-SuperMario023.jpg)
Maybe you have been eating to many magic 1UP mushrooms :thumb:
Post by: swill on Thu, 08 January 2015, 09:50:45
You know the first thing I think of seeing that... Mario...Show Image(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/super-mario-bros/thumb/3/31/SuperMario023.jpg/225px-SuperMario023.jpg)
Maybe you have been eating to many magic 1UP mushrooms :thumb:
Ahh, good times. I need to find myself some of those 1UP mushrooms. It has been too long... :P
Post by: Data on Thu, 08 January 2015, 13:22:36
Yes...45 degrees....whether that's perfect or not is up to the beholder.I wonder what I'd need to use this on a Planck or Atomic keyboard.
Blanks will be offered, so it could be done that way. The gradient would be at a much more acute angle, but could work.
It would be at a perfect 45 degrees, wouldn't it?
(Attachment Link)
It looks very similar to the look of the ErgoDox.
I think personally, I prefer the angle on a classic stagger.
:D
I think that will work out just fine.
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 12 January 2015, 23:12:53
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/e4e4a9db64cf54b5fba25bf27e2a8ec5
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 12 January 2015, 23:28:40
Post by: Acanthophis on Tue, 13 January 2015, 03:52:01
//Edit: I'm stupid. Yes, this seems all R3. I'm out then, sadly.
Post by: Data on Tue, 13 January 2015, 10:52:47
Have you happened to confirm with SP that the legends can be oriented "vertically" on the 1.5u and 2u mod keys? The last time this came up we were told by SP that they could only do doubleshot legends parallel to the longest side, which would cause them to be rotated 90 degrees for the 2u and some of the 1.5u keys. It has been a while so that may have changed. Just wondering.
This didn't really apply to Granite R2 (Ergodoxian kit) because those caps were dye sublimated. I think Deep Space was the last GB to run with a legended ErgoDox kit but I never heard if they got any confirmation from SP on this issue.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 13 January 2015, 13:52:39
RE: ErgoDox kit
Have you happened to confirm with SP that the legends can be oriented "vertically" on the 1.5u and 2u mod keys? The last time this came up we were told by SP that they could only do doubleshot legends parallel to the longest side, which would cause them to be rotated 90 degrees for the 2u and some of the 1.5u keys. It has been a while so that may have changed. Just wondering.
This didn't really apply to Granite R2 (Ergodoxian kit) because those caps were dye sublimated. I think Deep Space was the last GB to run with a legended ErgoDox kit but I never heard if they got any confirmation from SP on this issue.
I have not...I will check into that, I blindly assumed that was possible. Thanks for posing the question.
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 14 January 2015, 03:03:56
I used WCK in my mockups, it's the one difference you missed in the comparison mockups of the poster.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 14 January 2015, 08:39:44
What colour are you using for the legends on the TGH caps? Is it WCK or WA or what?
I used WCK in my mockups, it's the one difference you missed in the comparison mockups of the poster.
On the TGH (brown) caps I am using VBV and vice versa. On the OB (red) and OBC (orange), I am using WCK.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 14 January 2015, 22:47:36
What colour are you using for the legends on the TGH caps? Is it WCK or WA or what?
I used WCK in my mockups, it's the one difference you missed in the comparison mockups of the poster.
On the TGH (brown) caps I am using VBV and vice versa. On the OB (red) and OBC (orange), I am using WCK.
Please explain, has this become a full-on SP Group Buy just yet (please forgive my moronic question here)?
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 14 January 2015, 22:48:15
No, it is still on voting.What colour are you using for the legends on the TGH caps? Is it WCK or WA or what?
I used WCK in my mockups, it's the one difference you missed in the comparison mockups of the poster.
On the TGH (brown) caps I am using VBV and vice versa. On the OB (red) and OBC (orange), I am using WCK.
Please explain, has this become a full-on SP Group Buy just yet (please forgive my moronic question here)?
Post by: Data on Wed, 14 January 2015, 22:50:52
It has far surpassed the required votes on PMK.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 14 January 2015, 22:55:52
It's still an Interest Check (official) until SP finds a production slot for it.
It has far surpassed the required votes on PMK.
Okay then, but 1976 was a brilliant year at least I had a huge amount of hair flowing from my densely packed head ( I actually looked like a girl back then).
PLUS it's the weirdest looking key-set layout yet devised by anyone here on GH, but it's SA profile hence easy to get the numbers for the buy-in :thumb: .
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 15 January 2015, 03:22:08
What colour are you using for the legends on the TGH caps? Is it WCK or WA or what?
I used WCK in my mockups, it's the one difference you missed in the comparison mockups of the poster.
On the TGH (brown) caps I am using VBV and vice versa. On the OB (red) and OBC (orange), I am using WCK.
Awesome. Nice choices, I think the colours work well, the contrast of the blue on the brown is stronger than the WCK I was using on them. Makes it a bit "fresher".
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 15 January 2015, 07:35:28
What colour are you using for the legends on the TGH caps? Is it WCK or WA or what?
I used WCK in my mockups, it's the one difference you missed in the comparison mockups of the poster.
On the TGH (brown) caps I am using VBV and vice versa. On the OB (red) and OBC (orange), I am using WCK.
WCK was a good choice for the white, I thank you for that. I might have gone with something brighter or more towards true white. WCK looks more correct for the theme of the set.
Awesome. Nice choices, I think the colours work well, the contrast of the blue on the brown is stronger than the WCK I was using on them. Makes it a bit "fresher".
Post by: swill on Thu, 15 January 2015, 11:33:48
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 15 January 2015, 11:37:47
I just realized that on my 75% board the function key gradient is going to be a little wack. I guess that is to be expected though...
Yup, that's why I'm not grabbing this, I only use 75%s, and this would look weird.
I love the colourway though, super nice.
Post by: swill on Thu, 15 January 2015, 11:39:47
Well I would be getting the alternate, so I just have to think of the fn row as a 'throwback' of its own. :)I just realized that on my 75% board the function key gradient is going to be a little wack. I guess that is to be expected though...
Yup, that's why I'm not grabbing this, I only use 75%s, and this would look weird.
I love the colourway though, super nice.
Edit: OR, I just put the right color BB on each of those rows. I BBs that are close enough in color that I can probably just do that. Being all row 3, thats not a big problem cause the profile matches better than row 1.
Post by: nilpt on Sun, 18 January 2015, 09:03:42
Really like how this is looking, I assume it will be offered with blanks?
Yes...blanks of all 5 colors.
Don't forget about blank homing keys in deep dish and bump, and I'm in...
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 18 January 2015, 16:51:07
Don't forget about blank homing keys in deep dish and bump, and I'm in...
By default, I would use the colors to match the base kit and primary gradient which would be yellow (TCB) and brown (TGH).
- Would other colors be desired?
- Should they be done as a kit or individually?
Post by: nilpt on Mon, 19 January 2015, 04:30:26
Don't forget about blank homing keys in deep dish and bump, and I'm in...
By default, I would use the colors to match the base kit and primary gradient which would be yellow (TCB) and brown (TGH).
- Would other colors be desired?
- Should they be done as a kit or individually?
1 - TCB and TGH seem adequate.
2 - As a kit, 4 keycaps=1 bump in tcb + 1 bump in tgh + 1 deep dish in TCB + 1 deep dish in TGH.
Thanks!
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 19 January 2015, 08:10:29
Don't forget about blank homing keys in deep dish and bump, and I'm in...
By default, I would use the colors to match the base kit and primary gradient which would be yellow (TCB) and brown (TGH).
- Would other colors be desired?
- Should they be done as a kit or individually?
Sounds good....sorry typo...should be YCB for yellow.
1 - TCB and TGH seem adequate.
2 - As a kit, 4 keycaps=1 bump in tcb + 1 bump in tgh + 1 deep dish in TCB + 1 deep dish in TGH.
Thanks!
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 January 2015, 20:55:11
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 21 January 2015, 07:57:36
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 21 January 2015, 08:04:07
Post by: Data on Wed, 21 January 2015, 08:13:07
Peace and "flower power" (just flowers in general) were still pretty big in the 70s from what I can tell (Vietnam War didn't officially end until '75, for example). But with the pink & purple it just becomes a bit overloaded.
I think the yin-yang nails that 70s kung fu vibe. BLACK DYNAMITE!
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 21 January 2015, 09:50:24
I'd pass on those novelty caps.
But that purple... :p
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 21 January 2015, 11:02:51
Post by: Data on Wed, 21 January 2015, 11:29:00
That **** was everywhere in the 70s.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 21 January 2015, 12:00:48
That stuff makes me think of 60's not late 70's. Late 70's was more shock rock, punk and disco than hippies.
Every decade is a transistion, and I think your right...those are more early 70's as it was coming out of the 60's. 1976 would be considered more of the late 70's. The Yin-Yang works, however as the whole karate movie thing is definitely 70's.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 21 January 2015, 12:03:01
That stuff makes me think of 60's not late 70's. Late 70's was more shock rock, punk and disco than hippies.
Every decade is a transistion, and I think your right...those are more early 70's as it was coming out of the 60's. 1976 would be considered more of the late 70's. The Yin-Yang works, however as the whole karate movie thing is definitely 70's.
Is the purpose of this set to reference specific 1976 memories, or to capture the essence of that time period in the colorway and such? The thread title has always indicated to me that it can be more broad than the specific year of 1976, but maybe I'm missing something here.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 21 January 2015, 12:07:08
That stuff makes me think of 60's not late 70's. Late 70's was more shock rock, punk and disco than hippies.
Every decade is a transistion, and I think your right...those are more early 70's as it was coming out of the 60's. 1976 would be considered more of the late 70's. The Yin-Yang works, however as the whole karate movie thing is definitely 70's.
Is the purpose of this set to reference specific 1976 memories, or to capture the essence of that time period in the colorway and such? The thread title has always indicated to me that it can be more broad than the specific year of 1976, but maybe I'm missing something here.
No you not missing anything, its not specific to 1976, but I think it should be to capture things that are specific to the 70's and not thought of in the context of another decade. Ivan is correct in that when you look at the psychedelic mockups I had there, it could be the 60's or the early 70's, so I'm not sure its a good fit.
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 21 January 2015, 13:44:07
Can SP do doubleshot wood paneling? :))
That **** was everywhere in the 70s.
+1
Don't forget Avacado and Burnt Sienna
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 21 January 2015, 14:25:19
That stuff makes me think of 60's not late 70's. Late 70's was more shock rock, punk and disco than hippies.
Every decade is a transistion, and I think your right...those are more early 70's as it was coming out of the 60's. 1976 would be considered more of the late 70's. The Yin-Yang works, however as the whole karate movie thing is definitely 70's.
Is the purpose of this set to reference specific 1976 memories, or to capture the essence of that time period in the colorway and such? The thread title has always indicated to me that it can be more broad than the specific year of 1976, but maybe I'm missing something here.
No you not missing anything, its not specific to 1976, but I think it should be to capture things that are specific to the 70's and not thought of in the context of another decade. Ivan is correct in that when you look at the psychedelic mockups I had there, it could be the 60's or the early 70's, so I'm not sure its a good fit.
:thumb: Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. I like the way most of the proposed ones look, so I'll leave it up to the rest of the group to decide which are acceptable or not. :)
Post by: FingerPunch on Thu, 22 January 2015, 12:35:20
I use a tenkeyless board, as do many of you, meaning that I have learned to touch type using the number row at the top, even for large numbers, even with decimals etc.
I think it would be pretty useful to have homing bumps on the 4 & 7 keys. Does anyone else like this idea?
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 22 January 2015, 12:38:10
What do you all think of this idea....
I use a tenkeyless board, as do many of you, meaning that I have learned to touch type using the number row at the top, even for large numbers, even with decimals etc.
I think it would be pretty useful to have homing bumps on the 4 & 7 keys. Does anyone else like this idea?
It's interesting....not sure I have heard of anyone suggesting that before. So the idea would be that you shift both hands up onto the number row to type numbers?
Post by: Data on Thu, 22 January 2015, 13:01:27
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 22 January 2015, 13:27:02
What do you all think of this idea....
I use a tenkeyless board, as do many of you, meaning that I have learned to touch type using the number row at the top, even for large numbers, even with decimals etc.
I think it would be pretty useful to have homing bumps on the 4 & 7 keys. Does anyone else like this idea?
It's interesting....not sure I have heard of anyone suggesting that before. So the idea would be that you shift both hands up onto the number row to type numbers?
I could get spoiled on num row bumps on the 4 and 7. Hell, even a bump on the 5 would be great, and that would match with the bump on the tenkey.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 22 January 2015, 13:35:26
What do you all think of this idea....
I use a tenkeyless board, as do many of you, meaning that I have learned to touch type using the number row at the top, even for large numbers, even with decimals etc.
I think it would be pretty useful to have homing bumps on the 4 & 7 keys. Does anyone else like this idea?
Huh... I've never considered this before, but it sounds like it would be really useful. It might look a bit odd, but I would be willing to give it a try.
Post by: FingerPunch on Thu, 22 January 2015, 13:55:50
The problem the home bumps would solve is when I have to move my hand over to hit backspace, shift, or enter. Finding my way back to the correct numbers is not all that easy. I'm using the Nuclear Data numpad keys as the number row on one of my keyboards, and the homing 5 gave me this idea.
With sculptured keys, this wouldn't be possible, since I don't think the bump is available on other rows, but since this set is all row 3, we can make any key have a bump. Braille keyboard anyone? ;)
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 22 January 2015, 20:57:03
What do you all think of this idea....
I use a tenkeyless board, as do many of you, meaning that I have learned to touch type using the number row at the top, even for large numbers, even with decimals etc.
I think it would be pretty useful to have homing bumps on the 4 & 7 keys. Does anyone else like this idea?
This is a fantastic idea. Why doesn't this exist? :thumb:
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 25 January 2015, 11:47:26
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Any thoughts one base kit vs child deal?
Post by: FingerPunch on Sun, 25 January 2015, 13:04:22
It's something so subtle and unique, I don't imagine a whole lot of people would be against it. I vote for it being in the base set.
One problem I can see is if we are offering people both deep dish and bump keys for the regular home keys, then that would imply that we would also offer them a choice on the profile of the other keys. That would be 8 extra keys, 4 for each gradient.
How many people are eager for the deep dish home keys? I think if we dropped deep dish from the base kits, and included by default the bump home keys in the base kit, that would get rid of the need for up to 6 additional keycaps per kit (optional home keys (2x) and both profiles optional numeric keys (4x)), and two more keycaps if you type Dvorak or Colemak.
On another topic, I think that the orange and red would look best with brown legends. I'm sure this must have crossed your mind, what made you decide against it? It seems like it would help keep with the color theme.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 25 January 2015, 15:12:04
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 25 January 2015, 17:47:55
How many people are eager for the deep dish home keys? I think if we dropped deep dish from the base kits, and included by default the bump home keys in the base kit, that would get rid of the need for up to 6 additional keycaps per kit (optional home keys (2x) and both profiles optional numeric keys (4x)), and two more keycaps if you type Dvorak or Colemak.
That sounds like a good idea. I like the idea of them being part of the base set and the general preference seems to be towards the bump homing keys.
On another topic, I think that the orange and red would look best with brown legends. I'm sure this must have crossed your mind, what made you decide against it? It seems like it would help keep with the color theme.
Originally, the yellow caps also had "off white" (WCK) legends, but were changed to brown for contrast reasons. I did experiment with early on with having the red and orange having brown legends, but there did not seem to be enough contrast. The legends appeared overly dark and less legible.
Post by: Data on Sun, 25 January 2015, 20:49:27
Sorry to be blunt, but I don't agree with that decision. If I'm in the minority then so be it.
Post by: HalfSharkAlligator on Mon, 26 January 2015, 00:42:29
I think it would be pretty useful to have homing bumps on the 4 & 7 keys. Does anyone else like this idea?
That is a really great idea. I can't believe I've never heard of it or seen it done before.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 26 January 2015, 11:05:53
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 02 February 2015, 14:02:18
Shouldn't it be 1976 time now?
...
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 02 February 2015, 15:03:22
Has anyone seen what time it is?
Shouldn't it be 1976 time now?
...
The group buy should be up any day now. I would rather wait a few days an have them get it right after the fiasco that was the Alps Delta Blues posting.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 02 February 2015, 15:08:48
Has anyone seen what time it is?
Shouldn't it be 1976 time now?
...
The group buy should be up any day now. I would rather wait a few days an have them get it right after the fiasco that was the Alps Delta Blues posting.
:-X
Post by: dangerfool on Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:10:56
Has anyone seen what time it is?
Shouldn't it be 1976 time now?
...
The group buy should be up any day now. I would rather wait a few days an have them get it right after the fiasco that was the Alps Delta Blues posting.
*WAITING INTENSIFIES*
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 04 February 2015, 10:50:29
Post by: Data on Wed, 04 February 2015, 10:56:21
The GB is scheduled to go live on PMK tomorrow (2/5) at 9 AM (I assume PST)(http://i.imgur.com/PUl3gt8.jpg)
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 04 February 2015, 11:29:11
The GB is scheduled to go live on PMK tomorrow (2/5) at 9 AM (I assume PST)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PUl3gt8.jpg)
Finally! I can't wait to see them prices...so that I can prepare my wallet...doh.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 05 February 2015, 01:14:32
Finally! I can't wait to see them prices...so that I can prepare my wallet...doh.
YES, always be nice and reassuring to your wallet because she shall be gaped viciously here on Geekhack ;D . This place is well known as Gangbang Central when it comes to basic monetary matters.
Post by: swill on Thu, 05 February 2015, 09:22:48
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 February 2015, 09:40:05
Please PM me if you are buying this set and are willing to proxy my order for me. Purchasing stuff directly from PMK is kind of crazy for me since I get charged an extra $40. With the current exchange rate of $0.75 to the $1, I just can't afford that...
PM sent
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 05 February 2015, 09:43:43
Please PM me if you are buying this set and are willing to proxy my order for me. Purchasing stuff directly from PMK is kind of crazy for me since I get charged an extra $40. With the current exchange rate of $0.75 to the $1, I just can't afford that...
PM sent
My PM was first...but, Swill, feel free to go with engicoder on this one if you like.
Post by: swill on Thu, 05 February 2015, 09:52:53
Post by: Ouro on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:20:36
Post by: Dingonek on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:22:41
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:24:18
And its live!
Yes it is!!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:29:06
Post by: Dingonek on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:32:43
I'm not seeing the child deals either. Is it another "Log in to see child deals" like how Delta Blues was?
Yeah, looks like you have to be logged in to see them. I still don't see a 60% set though. Is TKL all the same size keys, just with extras?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:33:46
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:43:33
Yes. If you've got a standard 60% layout like a Poker 2 the TKL set will be fine. Reducing the number of kits reduce the price. The TKL set is surprisingly affordable which is great :)
I set the first tipping point to 50 to get the first number a little lower. I'm pretty sure it will set at least 50.
Post by: Ouro on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:56:25
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:59:36
I dont see any deals for a numpad :O
Check again....they took a little while to all appear. Furthermore, at this point it appears you have to be logged in to see the child deals.
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:26:02
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:28:07
So...all the homing keys featured in the main Parent Deal picture will come with it?
Yes...all keys pictured are part of the deal. It has a few that are a departure from the norm. ;D
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:34:04
So...all the homing keys featured in the main Parent Deal picture will come with it?
Yes...all keys pictured are part of the deal. It has a few that are a departure from the norm. ;D
Too cool...
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:38:20
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:39:09
Is the cache issue on PMK preventing us from seeing who all is buying these sets already, or is this a hush over the crowd before everyone storms the compound for their piece of the action?
It says X sets purchased already yes? Or did you want actual names?
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:44:49
Is the cache issue on PMK preventing us from seeingwho all is buying these sets already, or is this a hush over the crowd before everyone storms the compound for their piece of the action?
It says X sets purchased already yes? Or did you want actual names?
No names, I meant how many are being purchased...I see just a 0 for sets purchased:
(http://i.imgur.com/vz6p7gt.jpg)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:46:18
No names, I meant how many are being purchased...I see just a 0 for sets purchased:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vz6p7gt.jpg)
There's a zero because there hasn't been any sets purchased yet...or the system hasn't updated yet...
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:47:12
Is the cache issue on PMK preventing us from seeing who all is buying these sets already, or is this a hush over the crowd before everyone storms the compound for their piece of the action?
"Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet" -Rousseau
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:55:51
Post by: Data on Thu, 05 February 2015, 13:32:26
Planning to use this on my Atomic board.
Post by: hrududu on Thu, 05 February 2015, 17:37:05
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 February 2015, 17:42:15
Is the 'J' key in the Dvorak kit intentionally left blank or is that a mistake?
That's a mistake...Thanks for pointing that out. I will see that it is corrected.
Post by: swill on Thu, 05 February 2015, 22:21:39
Post by: Data on Fri, 06 February 2015, 09:32:34
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 06 February 2015, 10:05:24
Question: What is the purpose of the 1u brown DEL key in the Specialty Kit?
For placing on the Del keyswitch, silly :rolleyes:
Post by: Data on Fri, 06 February 2015, 10:08:52
Question: What is the purpose of the 1u brown DEL key in the Specialty Kit?
For placing on the Del keyswitch, silly :rolleyes:
But the base kit already comes with one... doesn't it?
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 06 February 2015, 10:12:09
Question: What is the purpose of the 1u brown DEL key in the Specialty Kit?
For placing on the Del keyswitch, silly :rolleyes:
But the base kit already comes with one... doesn't it?
It sure does....not sure what I was thinking there, but I don't think that added much to the cost...the 1u keys are cheap.
Post by: Data on Fri, 06 February 2015, 10:48:20
Question: What is the purpose of the 1u brown DEL key in the Specialty Kit?
For placing on the Del keyswitch, silly :rolleyes:
But the base kit already comes with one... doesn't it?
It sure does....not sure what I was thinking there, but I don't think that added much to the cost...the 1u keys are cheap.
No worries man.
What do you think the odds are that Melissa will sell me some 2u blanks in OB after the run? I need 3 to fill out my Atomic and I don't want to buy the whole ErgoDox kit to get them.
Post by: SL89 on Fri, 06 February 2015, 10:51:48
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:04:06
Stuff added up real fast...
1976, Winkeyless Kit, German Nordic and S. Slavic ISO Kit, Color Kit, Arrows Kit... currently at $177 :eek:
I sure hope lots more people get on this so it gets cheaper.
Post by: dimmu on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:06:25
Post by: Data on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:13:44
what's up with the slang kit costing $72???
Lots of big keys (big = expensive), low MOQ. Edit: Plus the entire kit is custom legends. $$$
Get more people to buy it so we can all save some money. The first big price break is at 50 units.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:15:35
gah i need to get this, did the '76 key special key end up passing the others btw?
Which special key? The custom 1976 logo key is part of the several sets.
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:17:02
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:23:29
Looks like Caldor
Total flashback!! Grew up in CT where Caldor was the only discount store in my area.
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That color gradient was everywhere in the 70's...that's what makes it so perfect for this kit...kind of like this van
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Post by: Booper on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:26:15
IDK if this has already been addressed! just wanted to mention it in case it hasn't.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:32:26
It looks as though people who are browsing without being logged in to PMK may not be able to see 1976 at all! :( If I am not logged in, I can only get to it by clicking the direct link in this thread.
IDK if this has already been addressed! just wanted to mention it in case it hasn't.
I sent a note to SP. Haven't heard anything back yet. Thanks for checking in.
Post by: dimmu on Fri, 06 February 2015, 13:06:17
what's up with the slang kit costing $72???
Lots of big keys (big = expensive), low MOQ. Edit: Plus the entire kit is custom legends. $$$
Get more people to buy it so we can all save some money. The first big price break is at 50 units.
hmm yeah. i'll think about it. it seems a bit steep for me even at $44 since i only need a couple of keys from the set.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 06 February 2015, 13:10:50
what's up with the slang kit costing $72???
Lots of big keys (big = expensive), low MOQ. Edit: Plus the entire kit is custom legends. $$$
Get more people to buy it so we can all save some money. The first big price break is at 50 units.
In hindsight, I should have reduced the number of keys in the slang kit and added more 1u keys. That would have reduced the price quite a bit.
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 06 February 2015, 14:38:42
what's up with the slang kit costing $72???
Lots of big keys (big = expensive), low MOQ. Edit: Plus the entire kit is custom legends. $$$
Get more people to buy it so we can all save some money. The first big price break is at 50 units.
In hindsight, I should have reduced the number of keys in the slang kit and added more 1u keys. That would have reduced the price quite a bit.
You certainly didn't have to put 'Nanu Nanu' and 'Burn' in that set, I do appreciate it, and I do plan to buy a set, however.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 08 February 2015, 09:11:47
Post by: Moralless on Sun, 08 February 2015, 09:17:35
Would like to ask what's going on with this child deal: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-blank-homing-keys/
Post by: ideus on Sun, 08 February 2015, 09:57:39
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 08 February 2015, 10:16:45
Congrats on the GB and goodluck on getting everything tipped.
Would like to ask what's going on with this child deal: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-blank-homing-keys/
Error in their system. It should be corrected at some point. Not sure what they will do with the existing orders.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 08 February 2015, 10:20:31
I would pay $122 plus shipping to get the keys I'd need, that is an offer hard to get. It was not the best time for the set. I really hope it makes it. :-X
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for the interest....timing is always a difficult thing. Also really frustrated with PMK in general. I am sure their poor website hurts sales..
Post by: Willyc277 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 11:25:03
I would pay $122 plus shipping to get the keys I'd need, that is an offer hard to get. It was not the best time for the set. I really hope it makes it. :-X
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for the interest....timing is always a difficult thing. Also really frustrated with PMK in general. I am sure their poor website hurts sales..
No doubt! I always go to check out the new group buys on my phone. I've come to accept that their mobile site is useless.
I'm super conflicted about this set. Really dislike SA, but this is one of the sweetest colorways ever! Going to think on it for a bit!
Post by: ideus on Sun, 08 February 2015, 15:02:55
Post by: TheOpposition on Sun, 08 February 2015, 15:24:28
Thanks to all involved in putting this together.
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 08 February 2015, 15:42:19
I had to jump in, and just in case, I picked up the alt. gradient. I'm not sure which i'll like more :)
Thanks to all involved in putting this together.
Thanks!! Both gradients have their pros and cons.
Post by: goflo on Tue, 10 February 2015, 11:20:53
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 10 February 2015, 11:26:32
Yikes....more than 180 bucks just gone..... :-\ :-X
Thanks for the support!! It wall be worth it when these babies are real!
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:27:05
Yikes....more than 180 bucks just gone..... :-\ :-X
It will end up being cheaper in the end. They always do.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 10 February 2015, 12:50:57
Yikes....more than 180 bucks just gone..... :-\ :-X
It will end up being cheaper in the end. They always do.
Yes., wish PMK had a commit feature like Massdrop. It worked well on my Rad Hard buy as people can show interest and build momemtum
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 February 2015, 13:11:06
Yikes....more than 180 bucks just gone..... :-\ :-X
It will end up being cheaper in the end. They always do.
Yes., wish PMK had a commit feature like Massdrop. It worked well on my Rad Hard buy as people can show interest and build momemtum
PMK needs a lot of things... :-X
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 February 2015, 14:36:34
Yikes....more than 180 bucks just gone..... :-\ :-X
It will end up being cheaper in the end. They always do.
Yes., wish PMK had a commit feature like Massdrop. It worked well on my Rad Hard buy as people can show interest and build momemtum
PMK needs a lot of things... :-X
Like authentic thick cherry profile?
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 10 February 2015, 14:43:51
Yikes....more than 180 bucks just gone..... :-\ :-X
It will end up being cheaper in the end. They always do.
Yes., wish PMK had a commit feature like Massdrop. It worked well on my Rad Hard buy as people can show interest and build momemtum
PMK needs a lot of things... :-X
Like authentic thick cherry profile?
Um and
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 February 2015, 14:56:09
Yikes....more than 180 bucks just gone..... :-\ :-X
It will end up being cheaper in the end. They always do.
Yes., wish PMK had a commit feature like Massdrop. It worked well on my Rad Hard buy as people can show interest and build momemtum
PMK needs a lot of things... :-X
Like authentic thick cherry profile?
I mainly meant the web site... It needs some love.
Post by: Asininity on Tue, 10 February 2015, 23:07:35
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 10 February 2015, 23:37:23
I have a Leopold FC200RT. The space bar is 4.625". Is there any chance that there will be a spacebar that will be compatible? Thanks!
The spacebar is the correct length, but unfortunately, Leopold uses a non standard spacebar mount spacing so most custom keycap kits will not fit, including this one. It can be modded to fit, but its not a simple mod.
Post by: Asininity on Tue, 10 February 2015, 23:46:12
The spacebar is the correct length, but unfortunately, Leopold uses a non standard spacebar mount spacing so most custom keycap kits will not fit, including this one. It can be modded to fit, but its not a simple mod.
I have a plan in mind to rectify that by making my own stems. Thank goodness for the uPrint.
I would like to purchase a extra spacebar or two for my Leopold but I don't see the correct size available. I only found the 4, 6.25, and 7 inch spacebars. Are there plans in future sets to use universal spacebars or is that not available/viable through the manufacturer?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 10 February 2015, 23:52:36
I have a Leopold FC200RT. The space bar is 4.625". Is there any chance that there will be a spacebar that will be compatible? Thanks!
I'm fairly sure that SP uses the six stem positions on most, if not all, of their 6.25-unit spacebars now. Even for SA, if I'm not mistaken. Those have stem positions for the Leopold FC200R.
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 11 February 2015, 01:36:58
The spacebar is the correct length, but unfortunately, Leopold uses a non standard spacebar mount spacing so most custom keycap kits will not fit, including this one. It can be modded to fit, but its not a simple mod.
I have a plan in mind to rectify that by making my own stems. Thank goodness for the uPrint.
I would like to purchase a extra spacebar or two for my Leopold but I don't see the correct size available. I only found the 4, 6.25, and 7 inch spacebars. Are there plans in future sets to use universal spacebars or is that not available/viable through the manufacturer?
Keycap sizes are usually shown in multiples of the key spacing, so 1x means 0.75". So the 6.25x spacebar size is the correct one for your Leopold and as jdcarpe mentioned, SP use universal, 6 stem spacebar molds for SA profile spacebars (I have a few SA sets).
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So the set will fit your keyboard without any modifications.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 February 2015, 14:14:44
Post by: ideus on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:20:00
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:22:14
Oobly: Are you sure SA space bar fits Leopolds?
Not Oobly, but I can answer.
It fits the FC200R. And FC750R, of course. No others that I know of.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:26:36
Oobly: Are you sure SA space bar fits Leopolds?
Not Oobly, but I can answer.
It fits the FC200R. And FC750R, of course. No others that I know of.
I can confirm as well. Just tried the SA 6.25u spacebar that came with the Nuclear Data Green set on my FC200R and it fits.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:29:43
Oobly: Are you sure SA space bar fits Leopolds?
Not Oobly, but I can answer.
It fits the FC200R. And FC750R, of course. No others that I know of.
I can confirm as well. Just tried the SA 6.25u spacebar that came with the Nuclear Data Green set on my FC200R and it fits.
Yep, sure does. Looks like Hack'd By Geeks is going on my TypeNow Solid. :D
Gogogo 1976! Spacebars for all!!
Post by: ideus on Wed, 11 February 2015, 19:30:13
Oobly: Are you sure SA space bar fits Leopolds?
Not Oobly, but I can answer.
It fits the FC200R. And FC750R, of course. No others that I know of.
I can confirm as well. Just tried the SA 6.25u spacebar that came with the Nuclear Data Green set on my FC200R and it fits.
Thank you. As you know Leopold has the wrong approach on designing non standard positions for the space bar stems. In particular the FC660 has an space bar with weird locations.
Post by: Asininity on Wed, 11 February 2015, 22:08:43
The spacebar is the correct length, but unfortunately, Leopold uses a non standard spacebar mount spacing so most custom keycap kits will not fit, including this one. It can be modded to fit, but its not a simple mod.
I have a plan in mind to rectify that by making my own stems. Thank goodness for the uPrint.
I would like to purchase a extra spacebar or two for my Leopold but I don't see the correct size available. I only found the 4, 6.25, and 7 inch spacebars. Are there plans in future sets to use universal spacebars or is that not available/viable through the manufacturer?
Keycap sizes are usually shown in multiples of the key spacing, so 1x means 0.75". So the 6.25x spacebar size is the correct one for your Leopold and as jdcarpe mentioned, SP use universal, 6 stem spacebar molds for SA profile spacebars (I have a few SA sets).
(Attachment Link)
So the set will fit your keyboard without any modifications.
I have a Leopold FC200RT. The space bar is 4.625". Is there any chance that there will be a spacebar that will be compatible? Thanks!
I'm fairly sure that SP uses the six stem positions on most, if not all, of their 6.25-unit spacebars now. Even for SA, if I'm not mistaken. Those have stem positions for the Leopold FC200R.
Thank you both for the information!
Post by: FingerPunch on Thu, 12 February 2015, 01:03:10
The blank homing keys show a brown deep dish that also has a bump. I doubt they actually have a mold for this, but I thought I should mention it.
I would have thought that the 5 on the number pads would be a homing key, but I suppose it is too late to bring this up.
Also, I think you should add a picture, if you can, of the blank keys so that people can keep the color codes straight and know what they are buying.
I am so excited that these are finally available, and so shocked, that I am committing to spending over $300 on keycaps. :'(
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 February 2015, 06:44:04
Just a couple things to note:
The blank homing keys show a brown deep dish that also has a bump. I doubt they actually have a mold for this, but I thought I should mention it.
I would have thought that the 5 on the number pads would be a homing key, but I suppose it is too late to bring this up.
Also, I think you should add a picture, if you can, of the blank keys so that people can keep the color codes straight and know what they are buying.
I am so excited that these are finally available, and so shocked, that I am committing to spending over $300 on keycaps. :'(
Yes, the homing key is a mistake.....there are a couple mistakes that I have submitted that I am waiting to be corrected. I did have pictures if the blanks, but they didn't get posted....not sure why.
Bump on the numpad is a good idea, I will see if I can get that added without a price change.
Thanks for the support, and thanks for inspiring this set with your original posting of the 1976 image. The wallet hack is on!!
Post by: HapticBovinator on Fri, 13 February 2015, 11:21:45
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 13 February 2015, 11:50:55
OK forgive the retardation here, but I don't see how to 'log in' on the pimpmykeyboard site. How to do this?http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/account/login (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/account/login)
If you haven't registered yet, you'll have to click register.
Post by: Data on Fri, 13 February 2015, 13:30:48
OK forgive the retardation here, but I don't see how to 'log in' on the pimpmykeyboard site. How to do this?http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/account/login (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/account/login)
If you haven't registered yet, you'll have to click register.
It's important to note that your KEY SHOP account is separate from your PMK account. I don't know why they did this but you have to register twice; once on http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/ and once on http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/ (this is where Group Buys live). The two shopping systems are completely separate. So if you've ever bought stuff from the Key Shop you have to re-register to participate in Group Buys. I found this out the hard way.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 13 February 2015, 16:23:40
OK forgive the retardation here, but I don't see how to 'log in' on the pimpmykeyboard site. How to do this?http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/account/login (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/account/login)
If you haven't registered yet, you'll have to click register.
It's important to note that your KEY SHOP account is separate from your PMK account. I don't know why they did this but you have to register twice; once on http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/ and once on http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/ (this is where Group Buys live). The two shopping systems are completely separate. So if you've ever bought stuff from the Key Shop you have to re-register to participate in Group Buys. I found this out the hard way.
Like most of PMK, it makes you think, WTF!!
Post by: HapticBovinator on Fri, 13 February 2015, 19:19:47
Am I missing something?
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 13 February 2015, 19:28:46
OK so I registered and I'm logged in. But I can't see anything except the $74 1976 group buy (no child deals, etc.).
Am I missing something?
PMK kinda stinks.. I would definitely still report it, but here are all the links to the child deals.
1976 Alternate Gradient Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-alternate-gradient-kit/
1976 Brown Numpad Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-brown-numpad-kit/
1976 Color Numpad Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-color-numpad-kit/
1976 Specialty Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-specialty-kit/
1976 Winkeyless Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-winkeyless-kit/
1976 Slang Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-slang-kit/
1976 Color Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-color-kit/
1976 Arrows Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-arrows-kit/
1976 Dvorak Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-dvorak-kit/
1976 Colemak Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-colemak-kit/
1976 German Nordic and S. Slavic ISO Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-german-nordic-and-s-slavic-iso-kit/
1976 UK ISO Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-uk-iso-kit/
1976 ErgoDox Base Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-ergodox-base-kit/
1976 ErgoDox Modifier Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-ergodox-modifier-kit/
1976 Blank Homing Keys - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-blank-homing-keys/
1976 1u VBV Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-vbv-blank/
1976 1u OB Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-ob-blank/
1976 1u OBC Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-obc-blank/
1976 1u YCB Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-ycb-blank/
1976 1u TGH Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-tgh-blank/
1976 4u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-4u-spacebar/
1976 6.25u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-6-25u-spacebar/
1976 7u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-7u-spacebar/
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:38:17
OK so I registered and I'm logged in. But I can't see anything except the $74 1976 group buy (no child deals, etc.).
Am I missing something?
PMK kinda stinks.. I would definitely still report it, but here are all the links to the child deals.More
1976 Alternate Gradient Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-alternate-gradient-kit/
1976 Brown Numpad Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-brown-numpad-kit/
1976 Color Numpad Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-color-numpad-kit/
1976 Specialty Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-specialty-kit/
1976 Winkeyless Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-winkeyless-kit/
1976 Slang Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-slang-kit/
1976 Color Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-color-kit/
1976 Arrows Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-arrows-kit/
1976 Dvorak Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-dvorak-kit/
1976 Colemak Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-colemak-kit/
1976 German Nordic and S. Slavic ISO Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-german-nordic-and-s-slavic-iso-kit/
1976 UK ISO Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-uk-iso-kit/
1976 ErgoDox Base Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-ergodox-base-kit/
1976 ErgoDox Modifier Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-ergodox-modifier-kit/
1976 Blank Homing Keys - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-blank-homing-keys/
1976 1u VBV Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-vbv-blank/
1976 1u OB Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-ob-blank/
1976 1u OBC Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-obc-blank/
1976 1u YCB Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-ycb-blank/
1976 1u TGH Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-tgh-blank/
1976 4u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-4u-spacebar/
1976 6.25u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-6-25u-spacebar/
1976 7u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-7u-spacebar/
Thanks for taking the time to post all these links to help Haptic out!!
Post by: HapticBovinator on Sat, 14 February 2015, 08:24:18
OK so I registered and I'm logged in. But I can't see anything except the $74 1976 group buy (no child deals, etc.).
Am I missing something?
PMK kinda stinks.. I would definitely still report it, but here are all the links to the child deals.More
1976 � Alternate Gradient Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-alternate-gradient-kit/
1976 � Brown Numpad Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-brown-numpad-kit/
1976 � Color Numpad Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-color-numpad-kit/
1976 � Specialty Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-specialty-kit/
1976 � Winkeyless Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-winkeyless-kit/
1976 � Slang Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-slang-kit/
1976 � Color Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-color-kit/
1976 � Arrows Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-arrows-kit/
1976 � Dvorak Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-dvorak-kit/
1976 � Colemak Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-colemak-kit/
1976 � German Nordic and S. Slavic ISO Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-german-nordic-and-s-slavic-iso-kit/
1976 � UK ISO Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-uk-iso-kit/
1976 � ErgoDox Base Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-ergodox-base-kit/
1976 � ErgoDox Modifier Kit - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-ergodox-modifier-kit/
1976 � Blank Homing Keys - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-blank-homing-keys/
1976 � 1u VBV Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-vbv-blank/
1976 � 1u OB Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-ob-blank/
1976 � 1u OBC Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-obc-blank/
1976 � 1u YCB Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-ycb-blank/
1976 � 1u TGH Blank - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-1u-tgh-blank/
1976 � 4u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-4u-spacebar/
1976 � 6.25u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-6-25u-spacebar/
1976 � 7u Spacebar - http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-7u-spacebar/
Thanks for taking the time to post all these links to help Haptic out!!
Yeah for real thanks. :thumb:
Post by: HapticBovinator on Sat, 14 February 2015, 08:27:10
Post by: HapticBovinator on Sat, 14 February 2015, 08:36:45
I'm specifically looking for what (eg. 2.25 u) and where (eg. Right shift).
Thanks for all the help so far!
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:04:22
Is there a wiki somewhere to tell me what size keys will fit on a poker 2? (Mine's coming from massdrop.)The poker 2 uses standard key cap sizes, so you should only need the base tenkeyless kit, which is the main/parent deal that costs $74.
I'm specifically looking for what (eg. 2.25 u) and where (eg. Right shift).
Thanks for all the help so far!
Post by: ideus on Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:04:52
Is there a wiki somewhere to tell me what size keys will fit on a poker 2? (Mine's coming from massdrop.)
I'm specifically looking for what (eg. 2.25 u) and where (eg. Right shift).
Thanks for all the help so far!
The right shift on a Poker is an standard 2.75u key cap.
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:08:13
OK so I think I could buy any of the kits now. But I can't see what's in the base kit. Is it identical to the base kit in "potential kits" of the OP?Yes the base kit is the same as in the OP....here is a link the image on PMK
http://pimpmykeyboard.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Base-Kit1.png (http://pimpmykeyboard.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Base-Kit1.png)
Post by: Mongoose on Sun, 15 February 2015, 09:33:09
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 15 February 2015, 13:32:46
any chance for a 3x spacebar for my minila?
The manufacturer doesn't have molds for a 3u spacebar. 4u, 6.25u and 7u are available.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 16 February 2015, 20:56:49
any chance for a 3x spacebar for my minila?
Hey, how about buying a REAL keyboard (TKL, 104 or 1800) instead of that kind of joke, pretending to be a keyboard :)) .
Post by: ideus on Mon, 16 February 2015, 22:35:24
any chance for a 3x spacebar for my minila?
Hey, how about buying a REAL keyboard (TKL, 104 or 1800) instead of that kind of joke, pretending to be a keyboard :)) .
You steal my idea pal.
Post by: Steveenn on Mon, 16 February 2015, 23:55:20
Post by: FingerPunch on Tue, 17 February 2015, 17:07:45
I'm starting to get nervous about this set. It doesn't seem like many people are in it yet :-[ Colemak, among other items, is in danger of not tipping.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 17 February 2015, 17:09:55
PMK should really have a button for "I'll buy this if it enters into ___ price tier." In some cases, it might make enough people join in that it could automatically add them in order to push it to that price tier. Even though it is just a difference of $15 bucks, I bet a lot of people would join group buys for $60 who wouldn't join for $75. Well, I guess even $60 is a lot to spend on a bag of plastic these days, so I guess you're either in it or not.
I'm starting to get nervous about this set. It doesn't seem like many people are in it yet :-[ Colemak, among other items, is in danger of not tipping.
Applied price elasticity?
:))
Post by: rickyhobby on Wed, 18 February 2015, 14:44:47
RE: ErgoDox kit
Have you happened to confirm with SP that the legends can be oriented "vertically" on the 1.5u and 2u mod keys? The last time this came up we were told by SP that they could only do doubleshot legends parallel to the longest side, which would cause them to be rotated 90 degrees for the 2u and some of the 1.5u keys. It has been a while so that may have changed. Just wondering.
This didn't really apply to Granite R2 (Ergodoxian kit) because those caps were dye sublimated. I think Deep Space was the last GB to run with a legended ErgoDox kit but I never heard if they got any confirmation from SP on this issue.
I have not...I will check into that, I blindly assumed that was possible. Thanks for posing the question.
Was the ability to doubleshot these ergo modifiers 90deg confirmed? I assuming so since this deal got posted after this question got asked initially...
Thanks for taking the time to organize this!
Post by: rickyhobby on Wed, 18 February 2015, 14:51:22
Thanks,
Rick
Post by: FingerPunch on Wed, 18 February 2015, 16:16:39
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 18 February 2015, 18:37:25
In the colemak kit on PMK, it shows three 'N' homing keys and one 'T'. Is this a error? Should the yellow raised dot 'N' really be a yellow raised dot 'T'? What will I actually receive?
Yes, thanks for catching that. I will correct it.
Uhoh, that does indeed look like an error. Considering PMK's policy of "no changes once the group buy is live" I wonder how things like this will play out.
I'm confident that this problem will be corrected. I have fixed a couple other similar errors. I believe their "no changes" policy is aimed at substantial changes such as adding more child deals or significantly changing the number of caps in any deal. It seems they are ok with the change if its just a correction.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 19 February 2015, 04:13:55
Base kits sold: 34
Um... what?
I have to admit, I am disappointed with the low purchase numbers, but it is a rough time for most wallets right now and lots of other good SA sets being produced / sold recently / now (Penumbra, Nuclear Data, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, Symbiosis), and interest checks for even more (Danger Zone, possible Retro in old Midnight thread).
Post by: Data on Thu, 19 February 2015, 08:50:28
Homing kits sold: 107
Base kits sold: 34
Um... what?
I have to admit, I am disappointed with the low purchase numbers, but it is a rough time for most wallets right now and lots of other good SA sets being produced / sold recently / now (Penumbra, Nuclear Data, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, Symbiosis), and interest checks for even more (Danger Zone, possible Retro in old Midnight thread).
Homing Kits is bugged. It's probably 7, not 107.
1976 numbers will go up. It still has 3 weeks left and people tend to wait 'til the last minute to buy for some reason (I call this the PMK Scramble). It'll tip. Remember how many votes the IC had?
I'm trying to position Danger Zone so wallets have time to recover. :thumb:
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 February 2015, 09:02:08
Homing kits sold: 107
Base kits sold: 34
Um... what?
I have to admit, I am disappointed with the low purchase numbers, but it is a rough time for most wallets right now and lots of other good SA sets being produced / sold recently / now (Penumbra, Nuclear Data, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, Symbiosis), and interest checks for even more (Danger Zone, possible Retro in old Midnight thread).
When the buy was first posted, the Homing Kit was listed as $0 in error and someone bought 100, so I think you can safely subtract 100 from that number for the real number of orders.
Post by: rickyhobby on Thu, 19 February 2015, 10:32:03
RE: ErgoDox kit
Have you happened to confirm with SP that the legends can be oriented "vertically" on the 1.5u and 2u mod keys? The last time this came up we were told by SP that they could only do doubleshot legends parallel to the longest side, which would cause them to be rotated 90 degrees for the 2u and some of the 1.5u keys. It has been a while so that may have changed. Just wondering.
This didn't really apply to Granite R2 (Ergodoxian kit) because those caps were dye sublimated. I think Deep Space was the last GB to run with a legended ErgoDox kit but I never heard if they got any confirmation from SP on this issue.
I have not...I will check into that, I blindly assumed that was possible. Thanks for posing the question.
Was the ability to doubleshot these ergo modifiers 90deg confirmed? I assuming so since this deal got posted after this question got asked initially...
Thanks for taking the time to organize this!
Thanks again!
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 February 2015, 10:56:45
You are really good at addressing issues so I'm guessing that you just missed this question as it was on the bottom of the last page:RE: ErgoDox kit
Have you happened to confirm with SP that the legends can be oriented "vertically" on the 1.5u and 2u mod keys? The last time this came up we were told by SP that they could only do doubleshot legends parallel to the longest side, which would cause them to be rotated 90 degrees for the 2u and some of the 1.5u keys. It has been a while so that may have changed. Just wondering.
This didn't really apply to Granite R2 (Ergodoxian kit) because those caps were dye sublimated. I think Deep Space was the last GB to run with a legended ErgoDox kit but I never heard if they got any confirmation from SP on this issue.
I have not...I will check into that, I blindly assumed that was possible. Thanks for posing the question.
Was the ability to doubleshot these ergo modifiers 90deg confirmed? I assuming so since this deal got posted after this question got asked initially...
Thanks for taking the time to organize this!
Thanks again!
Whoops! Yes, I missed that, sorry. Yes I confirmed with SP that they can produce the ErgoDox modifiers with 90 degree rotated legends.
Post by: Steveenn on Thu, 19 February 2015, 14:26:18
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 February 2015, 14:45:41
Should I be worried that SP only charged an extra $0.10 for shipping on the ErgoDox base kit, but $7.00 for shipping on the TKL base kit?
I think I prove Fermat's Last Theorem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem) before I could understand PMK's shipping costs.
Post by: FingerPunch on Thu, 19 February 2015, 15:58:51
Homing kits sold: 107
Base kits sold: 34
Um... what?
I have to admit, I am disappointed with the low purchase numbers, but it is a rough time for most wallets right now and lots of other good SA sets being produced / sold recently / now (Penumbra, Nuclear Data, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, Symbiosis), and interest checks for even more (Danger Zone, possible Retro in old Midnight thread).
When the buy was first posted, the Homing Kit was listed as $0 in error and someone bought 100, so I think you can safely subtract 100 from that number for the real number of orders.
That's too bad. I was excited thinking someone else loved homing keys as much as I do. I imagined an entire board of blank bumpy keys and was looking forward to the pictures of it ;D
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 16:13:42
That would be oddly hilarious, and good feeling, as I love the feel of the homing bumps.Homing kits sold: 107
Base kits sold: 34
Um... what?
I have to admit, I am disappointed with the low purchase numbers, but it is a rough time for most wallets right now and lots of other good SA sets being produced / sold recently / now (Penumbra, Nuclear Data, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, Symbiosis), and interest checks for even more (Danger Zone, possible Retro in old Midnight thread).
When the buy was first posted, the Homing Kit was listed as $0 in error and someone bought 100, so I think you can safely subtract 100 from that number for the real number of orders.
That's too bad. I was excited thinking someone else loved homing keys as much as I do. I imagined an entire board of blank bumpy keys and was looking forward to the pictures of it ;D
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 February 2015, 16:51:10
That would be oddly hilarious, and good feeling, as I love the feel of the homing bumps.MoreThat's too bad. I was excited thinking someone else loved homing keys as much as I do. I imagined an entire board of blank bumpy keys and was looking forward to the pictures of it ;DHoming kits sold: 107When the buy was first posted, the Homing Kit was listed as $0 in error and someone bought 100, so I think you can safely subtract 100 from that number for the real number of orders.
Base kits sold: 34
Um... what?
I have to admit, I am disappointed with the low purchase numbers, but it is a rough time for most wallets right now and lots of other good SA sets being produced / sold recently / now (Penumbra, Nuclear Data, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, Symbiosis), and interest checks for even more (Danger Zone, possible Retro in old Midnight thread).
It feels like I'm running my fingers across scores of tiny, excited women. :p
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 19 February 2015, 18:40:36
That would be oddly hilarious, and good feeling, as I love the feel of the homing bumps.MoreThat's too bad. I was excited thinking someone else loved homing keys as much as I do. I imagined an entire board of blank bumpy keys and was looking forward to the pictures of it ;DHoming kits sold: 107When the buy was first posted, the Homing Kit was listed as $0 in error and someone bought 100, so I think you can safely subtract 100 from that number for the real number of orders.
Base kits sold: 34
Um... what?
I have to admit, I am disappointed with the low purchase numbers, but it is a rough time for most wallets right now and lots of other good SA sets being produced / sold recently / now (Penumbra, Nuclear Data, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, Symbiosis), and interest checks for even more (Danger Zone, possible Retro in old Midnight thread).
It feels like I'm running my fingers across scores of tiny, excited women. :p
Wow :rolleyes:
Post by: Data on Thu, 19 February 2015, 19:06:37
That would be oddly hilarious, and good feeling, as I love the feel of the homing bumps.MoreThat's too bad. I was excited thinking someone else loved homing keys as much as I do. I imagined an entire board of blank bumpy keys and was looking forward to the pictures of it ;DHoming kits sold: 107When the buy was first posted, the Homing Kit was listed as $0 in error and someone bought 100, so I think you can safely subtract 100 from that number for the real number of orders.
Base kits sold: 34
Um... what?
I have to admit, I am disappointed with the low purchase numbers, but it is a rough time for most wallets right now and lots of other good SA sets being produced / sold recently / now (Penumbra, Nuclear Data, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, Symbiosis), and interest checks for even more (Danger Zone, possible Retro in old Midnight thread).
It feels like I'm running my fingers across scores of tiny, excited women. :p
Channeling Elrick in this post? :cool:
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 20 February 2015, 12:56:27
It feels like I'm running my fingers across scores of tiny, excited women. :p
Channeling Elrick in this post? :cool:
(http://www-static.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/22/you-are.gif)
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 24 February 2015, 15:11:58
Post by: mashby on Wed, 25 February 2015, 09:39:28
Attention Mac users: A Mac Kit has been added to allow swapping Alt and Super on the Base Kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/AGQG4FJ.gif)
Post by: Lu_e on Sat, 28 February 2015, 11:29:46
http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/sleeved-mini-usb-cable
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0218/4886/products/2_24_Cables_d_1024x1024.jpg?v=1424840750)
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 28 February 2015, 11:56:09
The 'Fireball' cable from TechKeys might look good with these ! (far right)Show Image(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0218/4886/products/2_24_Cables_d_1024x1024.jpg?v=1424840750)
That does match well! The colors are even in the correct order.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 28 February 2015, 12:42:54
The 'Fireball' cable from TechKeys might look good with these ! (far right)
http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/sleeved-mini-usb-cableShow Image(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0218/4886/products/2_24_Cables_d_1024x1024.jpg?v=1424840750)
This set of caps is going to slowly burn a hole in my wallet and I don't even mind.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 28 February 2015, 13:07:01
(http://i.imgur.com/HdswdA4.png)
(obligatory apology for back to back posting)
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 28 February 2015, 15:44:37
So I was watching some MST3K. They were riffing some movies which are based on an old show called The Master with Lee Van Cleef and Timothy Van Patten. The main characters, humorously, drive around in a panel van. The color scheme of the paint job looked mighty familiar.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HdswdA4.png)
(obligatory apology for back to back posting)
That's pretty wild. No yellow, but even the blue matches pretty well.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 28 February 2015, 15:52:31
So I was watching some MST3K. They were riffing some movies which are based on an old show called The Master with Lee Van Cleef and Timothy Van Patten. The main characters, humorously, drive around in a panel van. The color scheme of the paint job looked mighty familiar.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HdswdA4.png)
(obligatory apology for back to back posting)
That's pretty wild. No yellow, but even the blue matches pretty well.
The blue matches better in different scenes. I picked this screenshot because it shows the entirety of the van in a single frame. Movies that are MST3K fodder generally aren't known for having the best lighting in the world.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 28 February 2015, 16:17:51
Looks like it's working on Firefox and not Chrome for me...
Post by: william on Sat, 28 February 2015, 16:21:33
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 28 February 2015, 21:19:18
why are the blanks in this set so much more than the ones in the nuclear ($0.25) or pulse ($0.45) sets were?
Not sure...I think it may depend on the color. I think nuclear (VV) is one of the colors the normally stock.
Post by: swill on Mon, 02 March 2015, 21:27:00
Not sure it will hit the MOQ, but I would like to split the Specialty Kit with someone if we can make it hit the MOQ. I am looking for the 1.25u Blue Shift, 1.75u Brown Shift, 1u Blue Fn.
Let me know if you are interested...
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 02 March 2015, 23:20:15
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:13:43
Post by: Data on Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:51:10
How does it work if the other things don't make it? My interest is highly dependent on some of the extras and won't be of much use to me without them... if that stuff doesn't make it can you cancel the whole thing?
You'd need to cancel through Melissa prior to the GB closing, assuming you already placed an order. If you haven't yet, then I'd advise waiting until the last day to see what the child deals do. Otherwise you'll be stuck in Classifieds trying to sell a key set you can't use.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:59:35
How does it work if the other things don't make it? My interest is highly dependent on some of the extras and won't be of much use to me without them... if that stuff doesn't make it can you cancel the whole thing?
What extras are you dependent on?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 03 March 2015, 10:32:48
Post by: hermith on Tue, 03 March 2015, 11:36:51
That changes things a bit, I'm in the same boat, if the Nordic one doesn't tip I have no use for the base set. Hoping it tips as I really think this set will be a nice fit for my wooden 75% case.
Post by: pexon on Tue, 03 March 2015, 11:53:47
Post by: Data on Tue, 03 March 2015, 12:42:24
Post by: hermith on Tue, 03 March 2015, 12:55:11
Post by: Data on Tue, 03 March 2015, 13:15:47
So on other words it's kind of risky to join if you depend on any child drops?
There's risk in every group buy. These things are never guaranteed.
There are some ways SP could improve the web site to help mitigate the risk -- or at least the appearance of risk. No need to continue beating that dead horse in here.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 03 March 2015, 13:36:51
Definitely need the winkeyless as I don't even own any boards currently that use 1.25 mods, and I really wanted the German/Nordic/Slavic kit.
What I would suggest to everyone in this position is to buy the child sets you want now, so that their numbers go up. If they tip, go back and add the Base set. That way, if they don't tip, your not stuck with the base set. You run the risk of having one child set tip and not the other, but your overall risk is lower.
Post by: Data on Tue, 03 March 2015, 13:55:31
Edit: In my case I need the Alt Gradient, Specialty, Slang, Arrows, and the new Mac kits all to tip in order to use this on my Atomic board like I wanted. So I'm really up a creek!
Post by: hermith on Wed, 04 March 2015, 09:43:13
So how does it work if it doesn't go through? It seems I have to checkout with Paypal right away, will it be refunded to the CC in that case? And will I be able to add sets to the same order (so I don't have to pay shipping twice) if I add a base set onto it in a week?
Sorry if these questions are very PMK specific, but haven't used them before and I'd like to do this right on the first go.
Post by: Data on Wed, 04 March 2015, 11:48:55
That's a great idea. Especially for me as I am only dependent on one drop going through, so I'm basically safe. :)
So how does it work if it doesn't go through? It seems I have to checkout with Paypal right away, will it be refunded to the CC in that case? And will I be able to add sets to the same order (so I don't have to pay shipping twice) if I add a base set onto it in a week?
Sorry if these questions are very PMK specific, but haven't used them before and I'd like to do this right on the first go.
There's no charge until the Group Buy ends because the prices will fluctuate based on participation. What PMK (and PayPal) will do is called an authorization. They'll check to make sure you have the funds available and do a temporary hold.
Post by: goflo on Wed, 04 March 2015, 11:52:11
Cooooome ooooooooooooooooooonnnnn folks.
Post by: swill on Wed, 04 March 2015, 12:36:39
Post by: Data on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:03:58
Now that it has tipped a lot more people will be buying in, driving prices down and tipping child kits for everyone.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:35:36
Post by: mashby on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:48:39
I've been procrastinating ordering my set, so there will be at least one more in the next few days. ;)
Me too. :thumb:
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:57:38
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:59:16
We need some "specialty kit" love as well. I know a bunch of you want that 1.75u shift key if not a bunch of other keys in that set.
...
Post by: trizkut on Wed, 04 March 2015, 16:02:35
Me three :thumb: :thumb:
Me four. :-[
Post by: swill on Wed, 04 March 2015, 17:09:05
Get on that ****. We need some of these kits to tip.Me three :thumb: :thumb:
Me four. :-[
Post by: trizkut on Wed, 04 March 2015, 17:23:50
Get on that ****. We need some of these kits to tip.Me three :thumb: :thumb:
Me four. :-[
Fine, fine, you got me. In on base, slang, specialty, and color kits ;)
Post by: swill on Wed, 04 March 2015, 17:24:32
That's right. :) gj...Get on that ****. We need some of these kits to tip.Me three :thumb: :thumb:
Me four. :-[
Fine, fine, you got me. In on base, slang, specialty, and color kits ;)
Post by: Funtik on Thu, 05 March 2015, 05:57:43
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 March 2015, 06:33:18
I am new to this site and mechanical keyboards in general (just recently got a Ducky Shine 3). I just added an order for the "german, nordic, slavic ISO kit". Will add more of the already tipped deals when those two get through.
Welcome and thanks for supporting the cause :thumb:
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 05 March 2015, 06:40:13
Why the hell do you have to buy a $48 dollar set just for a short right shift??? that is flat out ridiculous! :mad:
Post by: Data on Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:25:51
Count me as number 5!
Why the hell do you have to buy a $48 dollar set just for a short right shift??? that is flat out ridiculous! :mad:
The MOQ is set really low on that kit. It also has a lot of keys in it for a specialty kit. Hence the price. If more people bought it the price would drop sharply. The 50 unit tier is a $16 discount, for example.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:30:55
Count me as number 5!
Why the hell do you have to buy a $48 dollar set just for a short right shift??? that is flat out ridiculous! :mad:
Yes, my bad...the specialty kit got a bit out of hand. Would have been better to have a couple smaller ones to address different needs.
Post by: hermith on Thu, 05 March 2015, 12:26:18
Post by: goflo on Thu, 05 March 2015, 12:49:48
Put in an order for the nordic/slavic kit. Almost halfway there! Let's hope the scramble is real.
Yes yes yes.....gogogo :thumb: :D
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 March 2015, 13:07:26
Put in an order for the nordic/slavic kit. Almost halfway there! Let's hope the scramble is real.
There GNS (German, Nordic, Slavic) kit needs a BSLR (Buyer and Seller of Last Resort) https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68368 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68368)
Post by: swill on Fri, 06 March 2015, 23:04:51
Keep my dream alive. I need some help people... :P
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(this case is on its way to me. i just need the specialty kit to tip.)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 06 March 2015, 23:17:38
May daily bump...You and me both!!!
Keep my dream alive. I need some help people... :P
(Attachment Link)
(this case is on its way to me. i just need the specialty kit to tip.)
Post by: samsonite727 on Fri, 06 March 2015, 23:44:37
(http://i.imgur.com/Hm4MeXg.png?1)
Post by: swill on Fri, 06 March 2015, 23:48:51
I really want the ergodox set to tip. BTW, I live in Canada and it says 0.10 cents to ship, is that really the amount or will it be adjusted later?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Hm4MeXg.png?1)
that won't be the price.
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 07 March 2015, 01:55:41
Post by: Jolikki on Sat, 07 March 2015, 02:25:01
I'm in as well, ordered a week ago..May daily bump...You and me both!!!
Keep my dream alive. I need some help people... :P
(Attachment Link)
(this case is on its way to me. i just need the specialty kit to tip.)
Post by: kittykatmax on Sun, 08 March 2015, 13:27:37
Presumably the base set is fine for a CM QFR/Max Keyboard Blackbird? Any other space bar sets I should think about adding in case, say, I go for a 60% board in the future?
Not worried about resale value, so at this point, I just went with base and extra arrow keys.
Post by: rickyhobby on Sun, 08 March 2015, 13:41:43
Not sure about your 60%, but I usually get all of the spacebar alternatives to give me future options on what to use this on. They are cheap insurance for future expandability/resale.
Rick
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 08 March 2015, 14:05:01
I'd probably just get the base, arrows and a spare 6.25x spacebar. And the colour kit.. and the slang kit..um... guess I am addicted.
Post by: rickyhobby on Sun, 08 March 2015, 14:11:00
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 08 March 2015, 19:43:30
The PMK scrabble has definitely started; there have been quite a few orders today.
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 09 March 2015, 08:30:59
Post by: kittykatmax on Mon, 09 March 2015, 08:47:21
Post by: swill on Mon, 09 March 2015, 09:55:17
Post by: hermith on Mon, 09 March 2015, 10:23:04
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 09 March 2015, 10:53:59
Post by: mashby on Mon, 09 March 2015, 10:58:56
Base set just hit 75, so price dropped to $68.
Just bumped the following:
- Core Kit
- Apple Kit
- Specialty Kit
- Color Kit
I have high hopes that the Color kit will make it, but we really need to rally behind the Speciality Kit.
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 March 2015, 10:59:16
Base set just hit 75, so price dropped to $68.CHA-CHING!
I'm really sad the Slang Kit isn't going to tip. Some great novelties in that set. Can we run it again by itself with just the 1u keys?
Post by: mashby on Mon, 09 March 2015, 12:02:06
Yes, it's pricey, but it'll make your order SO much more flexible that you'd be crazy NOT to get it. Think of all the different layouts that you can adapt to: JD40, HHKB, Pure, Infinity, not to mention all the new and wonderful keyboards that are being developed.
Without this kit, you'll be unable to take advantage of any other layout than what you have right now. $50 is a small price to pay to ensure that this kit will work with a wide array of layouts. Layouts that aren't possible without this kit.
So, yes, you can save your $50, but trust me you'll regret it down the road when you realize that you should have bought it when you had the chance.
/soapbox ;D
Post by: swill on Mon, 09 March 2015, 12:04:11
You Should Buy The 1976 Specialty Kit (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-specialty-kit/)
Yes, it's pricey, but it'll make your order SO much more flexible that you'd be crazy NOT to get it. Think of all the different layouts that you can adapt to: JD40, HHKB, Pure, Infinity, not to mention all the new and wonderful keyboards that are being developed.
Without this kit, you'll be unable to take advantage of any other layout than what you have right now. $50 is a small price to pay to ensure that this kit will work with a wide array of layouts. Layouts that aren't possible without this kit.
So, yes, you can save your $50, but trust me you'll regret it down the road when you realize that you should have bought it when you had the chance.
/soapbox ;D
+1... Best advice all thread... :P
Post by: Jolikki on Mon, 09 March 2015, 13:13:28
It's definitely worth it, but there's A LOT of information out there regarding key sizes and so on. I've done some hours of researching for the key sizes and found the CM Storm QuickFire Rapid.
As far as I can see, it seems like it's all-over standard key sizes, but I would like to confirm that with you before I order it. Don't wanna get the 1976 in my mail just to realize it don't fit.
Can anyone confirm? :)
Edit: Also, URL. (http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B0068INSUM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1425923650&sr=8-3&keywords=cherry+mx+brown+tkl)
Post by: hermith on Mon, 09 March 2015, 13:28:26
But yes, the QFR has standard sized keycaps.
Post by: Jolikki on Mon, 09 March 2015, 13:46:03
Can't you rather use the money that you would spend on the QFR to make the ISO set tip? :D
But yes, the QFR has standard sized keycaps.
I've thought of that, but it's a lot of money to do that.
There seem to be seven of us who need it right now, maybe they're kind enough to produce it anyway?
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 09 March 2015, 14:29:51
Can't you rather use the money that you would spend on the QFR to make the ISO set tip? :D
But yes, the QFR has standard sized keycaps.
I've thought of that, but it's a lot of money to do that.
There seem to be seven of us who need it right now, maybe they're kind enough to produce it anyway?
I will do what I can to get it produced. There are still a few days left, so there is still hope.
Post by: swill on Mon, 09 March 2015, 14:39:57
Can't you rather use the money that you would spend on the QFR to make the ISO set tip? :D
But yes, the QFR has standard sized keycaps.
I've thought of that, but it's a lot of money to do that.
There seem to be seven of us who need it right now, maybe they're kind enough to produce it anyway?
Keyboards are easily replaced. These keycap GBs only ever come around once, so you only have one chance to own them. If you prefer an ISO layout, try to get the caps so you can use this on all your ISO keyboards (cause more will be in your future, I predict). :)
Post by: goflo on Mon, 09 March 2015, 15:04:54
Post by: Jolikki on Mon, 09 March 2015, 15:33:01
If everyone who writes "It doesn't seem to tip..." would order instead of moaning, then it surely would tip :rolleyes:I was one of the first to order that kit, just starting to get worried here
Post by: unoab on Mon, 09 March 2015, 15:34:35
Can't you rather use the money that you would spend on the QFR to make the ISO set tip? :D
But yes, the QFR has standard sized keycaps.
I've thought of that, but it's a lot of money to do that.
There seem to be seven of us who need it right now, maybe they're kind enough to produce it anyway?
Well if the 7 people who need it each order 2, then you are just one away from tipping and each person only pays double for the set, but you get twice as many keys to do whatever with, so it may work out to be more beneficial than if the MOQ is dropped and the price hike is about the same..
Post by: goflo on Mon, 09 March 2015, 15:36:30
If everyone who writes "It doesn't seem to tip..." would order instead of moaning, then it surely would tip :rolleyes:I was one of the first to order that kit, just starting to get worried here
;D No offense... I got 3 sets ordered and worst case none will tip.....and worst case is near.
Post by: Jolikki on Mon, 09 March 2015, 15:45:38
Can't you rather use the money that you would spend on the QFR to make the ISO set tip? :D
But yes, the QFR has standard sized keycaps.
I've thought of that, but it's a lot of money to do that.
There seem to be seven of us who need it right now, maybe they're kind enough to produce it anyway?
Well if the 7 people who need it each order 2, then you are just one away from tipping and each person only pays double for the set, but you get twice as many keys to do whatever with, so it may work out to be more beneficial than if the MOQ is dropped and the price hike is about the same..
Yeah. Actually, it would be worth it. I'm seriously considering hitting F5 the last hours to see of we're closing in to tip. In that case, it's not a hard decision. :)
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 10 March 2015, 08:14:08
Anyhow, ordered base, colour and ISO kits. [EDIT]Oops, forgot the spacebars... added 2 to my order.[/EDIT]
Wallet has been very much hacked recently, can't buy any more keyboard related stuff for about 2 months now I reckon.
Post by: hermith on Tue, 10 March 2015, 08:28:09
Post by: swill on Tue, 10 March 2015, 08:42:15
I might be able to buy two ISO sets to make it tip (will probably buy two base sets as well). But then I need to know how PMK handles marking the value on the parcel. Is it possible to get them to mark the value 35 USD for example?
No, they always mark the full value. I am getting my sets proxied for exactly this reason.
Post by: hermith on Tue, 10 March 2015, 09:14:24
Post by: swill on Tue, 10 March 2015, 09:15:33
Well then, only one set for me. :P
Or get someone in the US to proxy it for you and buy 3 complete sets. :P
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 10 March 2015, 10:05:11
The specialty kit has too many keys, IMHO. So the price is too high for a casual "I'll add one of those to my order just in case." For example, I have one board that can benefit from the kit and it only needs a 1.75x Shift. I'm not inclined to spend $48 just to have that 1.75x Shift. At $24 I would consider it, though.
Anyhow, ordered base, colour and ISO kits. [EDIT]Oops, forgot the spacebars... added 2 to my order.[/EDIT]
Wallet has been very much hacked recently, can't buy any more keyboard related stuff for about 2 months now I reckon.
Yes, that is my fault. I hindsight, I should have either made a smaller set with the most commonly requested caps, or possibly created a few small sets. Same is true of the slang set.
Lesson learned!
I am thinking about running an add-on buy after this one finishes that would include a smaller specialty set, a smaller slang set and possible a few others.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 10 March 2015, 10:11:16
I might be able to buy two ISO sets to make it tip (will probably buy two base sets as well). But then I need to know how PMK handles marking the value on the parcel. Is it possible to get them to mark the value 35 USD for example?
I will proxy for you if you need it. Just PM me.
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 10 March 2015, 14:06:26
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Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 10 March 2015, 16:11:37
The price of the base set looks good, only $68 right now. But I need a numpad kit, a specialty kit, and a winkeyless kit.
$68 + $23 + $48 + $24 = $163.
I included all those keys in the Hack'd By Geeks set for only $120. And there was no hoping that a child kit would tip, just to get certain keys.
I'm not trying to criticize you, engicoder, I'm really not. I just think the way PMK likes you to set things up into child deals is somewhat broken. :(
Post by: goflo on Tue, 10 March 2015, 16:57:00
Ergodox...only 4 more
German/Slavic ...only 6 more
Ergodox modifer ... only 8 more left
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Post by: swill on Tue, 10 March 2015, 17:26:45
The problem with PMK's "child kits" system is this:
The price of the base set looks good, only $68 right now. But I need a numpad kit, a specialty kit, and a winkeyless kit.
$68 + $23 + $48 + $24 = $163.
I included all those keys in the Hack'd By Geeks set for only $120. And there was no hoping that a child kit would tip, just to get certain keys.
I'm not trying to criticize you, engicoder, I'm really not. I just think the way PMK likes you to set things up into child deals is somewhat broken. :(
The the PMK approach is pretty broken. It could potentially work if there was the same concept as MD where you 'show interest' at a specific price point. The way it is currently implemented makes it really hard to get good value for the masses.
The way you setup Hacked forced everyone to spend $120, BUT, it also brings down the price of the keys for everyone who wants everything because it is guaranteeing that the keys are produced with the purchase of every base set.
I think it takes a lot of experience with the PMK setup to be able to organize buys that are good value for everyone and get everything that needs to tip tipped. I don't think I have seen a good buy throught he PMK yet from that perspective. Granite went pretty well, but I feel there are major problems with their system right now. Too many things are at odds with each other...
Post by: pomk on Tue, 10 March 2015, 17:50:22
Come on folks...
Ergodox...only 3 more
German/Slavic ...only 6 more
Ergodox modifer ... only 7 more left
Really hope these tip!
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 10 March 2015, 21:57:41
The problem with PMK's "child kits" system is this:
The price of the base set looks good, only $68 right now. But I need a numpad kit, a specialty kit, and a winkeyless kit.
$68 + $23 + $48 + $24 = $163.
I included all those keys in the Hack'd By Geeks set for only $120. And there was no hoping that a child kit would tip, just to get certain keys.
I'm not trying to criticize you, engicoder, I'm really not. I just think the way PMK likes you to set things up into child deals is somewhat broken. :(
I agree with you jd...and I welcome your criticism. The single set approach definitely has its benefits. The child deal system is certainly confusing for many, and frustrating for all whose essential child deals do not tip. Now that the mech keyboard "hobby" has started to mature, more and more people are embracing boards with non-conventional layouts. This really makes the custom keycap group buy problematic. I am new to heading these group buys and I definitely made some mistakes with 1976 that I will learn from. I am disappointed that some of the child deals that I felt were most essential, turned out to be so expensive and have little chance of tipping. I took the approach of trying to accommodate as many requests as possible, a goal I am still interested in, but I think I could have done things differently and done a better job of achieving it. I have some ideas on how I will run my next buy, and they will not be possible with PMK. Without significant changes, PMK is will continue to stifle the group buys it hosts rather than fostering their success.
Post by: Willyc277 on Tue, 10 March 2015, 22:16:54
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 10 March 2015, 22:54:20
Really really don't like SA. Is there any chance that this will be remade in dcs or dsa? Fence sitting pretty hard here!
Unlikely...it's a 70's set using a 70's-esque profile.
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 11 March 2015, 02:48:40
...
I am thinking about running an add-on buy after this one finishes that would include a smaller specialty set, a smaller slang set and possible a few others.
That sounds pretty good to me :)
I agree with jd that the PMK system is somewhat in need of attention and the Massdrop style "commit @ $xx" may be what's needed. It can work, though, and I think the PuLSE SA set child sets are a reasonably good example of how to arrange the child buys.
I really hope the multilanguage ISO set tips, since it's so rare to find a set that includes these keys, and although I have switched to ANSI layout for most of my boards (due to keycap options), I still like to use the full Nordic ISO layout now and then (and it's a requirement for my wife to try a custom board with SA profile ;) ).
I just wanted to also pitch in and say I think you've done a fantastic job of designing and accomodating as many people's wishes as possible with the base and child sets. I think it's quite acceptable to see how this goes first and then offer some later small addon buys for those kits which had some interest but didn't tip, with some adjustments to make them fit a bit better with the PMK system.
Post by: hermith on Wed, 11 March 2015, 06:42:36
Post by: hermith on Wed, 11 March 2015, 08:39:22
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 March 2015, 09:25:48
Added order now, so I'm up to two Nordic/DE kits. As far as I can go. :) 5 more guys!
I will pick up a few at the end if its close to tipping. I am sure they will go quickly once pictures of the set starts to surface in a couple months.
Post by: Jolikki on Wed, 11 March 2015, 09:27:55
Awesome :) I'll support you by ordering one or two extra sets tomorrow, close to when the deal is ending.Added order now, so I'm up to two Nordic/DE kits. As far as I can go. :) 5 more guys!
I will pick up a few at the end if its close to tipping. I am sure they will go quickly once pictures of the set starts to surface in a couple months.
Post by: hermith on Wed, 11 March 2015, 09:36:53
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 March 2015, 13:32:13
Post by: kittykatmax on Wed, 11 March 2015, 15:15:49
I need to stop checking here, though, I keep adding.
I'm up to:
Base Kit
Arrows Kit
Extra 6.25 spacebar
Alternate Gradient Kit (although it's not looking good for a tip)
Color Number Pad (for my Keycool)...speaking of which, I'll need to buy a few blanks, won't I......at least they're cheap!
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 March 2015, 15:18:49
I can't believe the alternate gradient kit isn't tipping.....more teal, less brown...what's not to love?
I need to stop checking here, though, I keep adding.
I'm up to:
Base Kit
Arrows Kit
Extra 6.25 spacebar
Alternate Gradient Kit (although it's not looking good for a tip)
Color Number Pad (for my Keycool)...speaking of which, I'll need to buy a few blanks, won't I......at least they're cheap!
There is still time....
Post by: Data on Wed, 11 March 2015, 15:20:09
Post by: Jolikki on Wed, 11 March 2015, 16:00:28
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 March 2015, 16:38:34
I'm gonna contribute to the 6.25u spacebar as well, 8 more to tip right now. I'm adding that one as well as another Nordic kit tomorrow right before the ordering closes :)
Thanks!
I will buy however many it takes to tip the space bar deal at the end if it has not tipped yet.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 11 March 2015, 18:58:19
I am thinking about running an add-on buy after this one finishes that would include a smaller specialty set, a smaller slang set and possible a few others.
My only hope if you do plan this is that you pull the plug on the current specialty set. I don't need all the keys it offers and thought long and hard about adding it, but decided to in the end, just in case. If there will be a more conservatively priced set in the future, I would rather not have spent this much money on the current one. :) So now I'm hoping the current one doesn't tip... :-\
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 11 March 2015, 19:44:56
So now I'm hoping the current one doesn't tip... :-\
Just for you Hoffman, it's going to tip ;D .
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 March 2015, 19:54:56
I am thinking about running an add-on buy after this one finishes that would include a smaller specialty set, a smaller slang set and possible a few others.
My only hope if you do plan this is that you pull the plug on the current specialty set. I don't need all the keys it offers and thought long and hard about adding it, but decided to in the end, just in case. If there will be a more conservatively priced set in the future, I would rather not have spent this much money on the current one. :) So now I'm hoping the current one doesn't tip... :-\
If by some miracle it tips, I'll send you a Jackson to soothe your conflicted psyche :thumb:
Post by: xixihaha2008 on Wed, 11 March 2015, 20:55:09
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 March 2015, 21:22:20
ordered!!! :D
Thanks!!
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 11 March 2015, 21:23:10
Post by: samsonite727 on Wed, 11 March 2015, 23:22:47
ErgoDox Base Kit just tipped!!!r
Nice, what is the shipping cost Canada?
Post by: swill on Wed, 11 March 2015, 23:24:23
ErgoDox Base Kit just tipped!!!r
Nice, what is the shipping cost Canada?
If I remember correctly it was like 18$. I can check later though...
Post by: samsonite727 on Wed, 11 March 2015, 23:36:48
ErgoDox Base Kit just tipped!!!r
Nice, what is the shipping cost Canada?
If I remember correctly it was like 18$. I can check later though...
Thanks, sadly I think I might have to pass :(. With shipping and conversion rates it goes over $100.
Post by: swill on Wed, 11 March 2015, 23:44:49
ErgoDox Base Kit just tipped!!!r
Nice, what is the shipping cost Canada?
If I remember correctly it was like 18$. I can check later though...
Thanks, sadly I think I might have to pass :(. With shipping and conversion rates it goes over $100.
Just FYI, you can't buy any keyset worth owning for less than $100. Just so you know...
Post by: Jolikki on Wed, 11 March 2015, 23:47:29
"We Handle Pricing & Shipping. Simple as that, you dont need to worry about the distribution of Group Buys. We take care of it all, top to bottom"
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 00:11:58
As far as I can tell, PMK handles all the shipping costs.
"We Handle Pricing & Shipping. Simple as that, you dont need to worry about the distribution of Group Buys. We take care of it all, top to bottom"
I think that is for the organizer of the GB. They take care of charging for shipping and shipping the product they mean...
Post by: hermith on Thu, 12 March 2015, 00:55:41
Post by: Jolikki on Thu, 12 March 2015, 04:49:09
6 more to tip the spacebar and 3 more to tip the nordic.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 March 2015, 06:44:42
I just added one 6.25u spacebar as well as two additional nordic sets which I'm going to sell later, to get it to tip.My final order has not been placed yet. I will clean up the Nordic and Spacebar set for you guys. I will wait until the last hour.
6 more to tip the spacebar and 3 more to tip the nordic.
Post by: goflo on Thu, 12 March 2015, 06:51:15
@engicoder
Thanks for cleaning up the Nordic Kit. That's just great to have a "correct" set of keys :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 March 2015, 09:13:40
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 12:33:54
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 March 2015, 12:35:29
Gah...need 7 more for the Alternate Gradient to tip. /cry
Yeah the numbers on the base set keep going up but not the Alt Gradient. Kind of a bummer.
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:12:05
I am considering adding the alt to see if I can help it tip. Its so close.Gah...need 7 more for the Alternate Gradient to tip. /cry
Yeah the numbers on the base set keep going up but not the Alt Gradient. Kind of a bummer.
Post by: mashby on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:23:00
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:25:29
Gah...need 7 more for the Alternate Gradient to tip. /cry
Yeah the numbers on the base set keep going up but not the Alt Gradient. Kind of a bummer.
Zee Germans stepped up and brought and extras of the German/Nordic kit to get it to tip, you guys could do the same with the Alt Gradient. I'm willing to buy a couple, and with swill pitching in, it will be very close.
Update: Done...only need 3 more to tip.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:29:26
Since mypleapitch for the Speciality kit doesn't look like it did anything to help make it tip, I just added the alternate gradient kit to my order. Hope that child kit tips!
Thanks, Mashby!!
Post by: samsonite727 on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:30:08
So as swill indicated the shipping to Canada is about $18?
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:31:39
Since myHaha. Ya I have ordered the specialty kit (a while ago) and just added the alt grad kit to see if we can get it to tip.pleapitch for the Speciality kit doesn't look like it did anything to help make it tip, I just added the alternate gradient kit to my order. Hope that child kit tips!
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:32:10
Done.Gah...need 7 more for the Alternate Gradient to tip. /cry
Yeah the numbers on the base set keep going up but not the Alt Gradient. Kind of a bummer.
Zee Germans stepped up and brought and extras of the German/Nordic kit to get it to tip, you guys could do the same with the Alt Gradient. I'm willing to buy a couple, and with swill pitching in, it will be very close.
Update: Done...only need 3 more to tip.
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:33:30
@engicoderExpect it to be 25$ to be safe. I would contact them if you are in Canada and ask them to ship it with standard USPS to make sure you get the cheapest shipping you can.
So as swill indicated the shipping to Canada is about $18?
Post by: mashby on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:34:33
Since myHaha. Ya I have ordered the specialty kit (a while ago) and just added the alt grad kit to see if we can get it to tip.pleapitch for the Speciality kit doesn't look like it did anything to help make it tip, I just added the alternate gradient kit to my order. Hope that child kit tips!
Only 2 more needed!
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:34:57
@engicoder
So as swill indicated the shipping to Canada is about $18?
Yes, swill said "If I remember correctly it was like 18$.". I can't guarantee that you will be charged this. PMK shipping costs are still a mystery to me. On checkout I was charged 0.10 per item for shipping. I assume they will adjust this when the deal is finalized.
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:38:07
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:38:17
Only 2 more needed!
Oh, so close...
If, by chance, it doesn't quite make it, I will lobby HARD to have it produced anyway.
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:41:31
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:45:14
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:47:27
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:47:50
One more to tip the Alt Gradient...thanks to whomever just placed an order. <3
It still shows as 7 on my screen. How do you guys see these updates?
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:49:06
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:52:33
I reloaded the main 1976 GB page at http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976/
strange. its not updating for me. ok, fair enough... :)
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:54:14
Aside from liking the fact there are fewer brown keys (don't hate them, just like the other colors better), IMHO the Red/Orange/Yellow rows in the Alt Gradient look nicer with regards to the F keys. So thanks again!
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:55:37
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:56:16
Alt Gradient is tipped. Wewt! Thanks to whomever pulled the trigger. /Cheers
haha, only 5 minutes to spare.
now the specialty kit is going to tip in the last 2 minutes (not likely, but i can't see the current number) and I am going to be in this GB for mad $$$. haha...
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:57:15
Alt Gradient is tipped. Wewt! Thanks to whomever pulled the trigger. /Cheers
In the final seconds! One of the last 2 buyers tipped it. That was close!
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:59:14
Update: And it's over.
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 March 2015, 14:01:59
(http://i.imgur.com/zpnYjAg.png)
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 March 2015, 14:02:16
Thanks to everyone who ordered and special thanks to those of you who stayed to the end and helped a the struggling German/Nordic and Alternate Gradient kits to tip!!
Now the big wait. :rolleyes:
Post by: Jolikki on Thu, 12 March 2015, 14:02:47
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 14:05:44
Anyone know how the whole PayPal thing is handled? I ordered in three bits across three days...two show as authorizations, one shows as an actual payment. Presumably SP will figure out a total, including combined shipping, and deduct what they've already received before submitting for the balance?
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 March 2015, 14:10:32
Darn I'm being chatty today....
Anyone know how the whole PayPal thing is handled? I ordered in three bits across three days...two show as authorizations, one shows as an actual payment. Presumably SP will figure out a total, including combined shipping, and deduct what they've already received before submitting for the balance?
Those 2 authorizations will probably turn into payments once SP sorts everything out with your order. They will probably have adjusted (lower) amounts when they come through as payments. Just keep an eye on your PayPal and you'll see how they do it. PP breaks it down for you.
Post by: Jolikki on Thu, 12 March 2015, 14:11:57
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 12 March 2015, 14:38:02
Here's what I'll be doing with mine, at least until Engicoder whips up another Specialty/Slang Kit buy for us (still hoping that happens).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zpnYjAg.png)
That's sharp. Using my lousy PhotoShop skills, this is what I'm toying with doing:
[attach=1]
Post by: mashby on Thu, 12 March 2015, 15:56:49
Thank you.
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 16:03:02
Kudos to engicoder for doing such a bang up job on the first phase of this group buy. It's a great design and you did a great job communicating with the community and working with PMK. It's a tall order, but you made it look easy.
Thank you.
+1... I think engicoder has done a great job with this buy. Very well done... :)
Post by: twiddle on Thu, 12 March 2015, 16:29:13
Here's hoping there will be spares :)
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 16:32:09
Bah, I hate timezones.
Here's hoping there will be spares :)
Email PMK right away, historically they allowed people to submit (or at least update) orders on the same day the buy closed.
Post by: samsonite727 on Thu, 12 March 2015, 17:23:45
Bah, I hate timezones.
Here's hoping there will be spares :)
Email PMK right away, historically they allowed people to submit (or at least update) orders on the same day the buy closed.
Do we email signature plastics? I can't find PMK email address.
Is this it:
sales@solutionsinplastic.com
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 17:27:05
Bah, I hate timezones.
Here's hoping there will be spares :)
Email PMK right away, historically they allowed people to submit (or at least update) orders on the same day the buy closed.
Do we email signature plastics? I can't find PMK email address.
Is this it:
sales@solutionsinplastic.com
Ya, I would probably email that one since I think Melissa is on maternity leave right now. She used to do all of the logistics, but there is someone new filling in for her right now I believe (read that somewhere else).
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 12 March 2015, 18:25:10
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 March 2015, 22:20:16
Bah, I hate timezones.
Here's hoping there will be spares :)
Email PMK right away, historically they allowed people to submit (or at least update) orders on the same day the buy closed.
Do we email signature plastics? I can't find PMK email address.
Is this it:
sales@solutionsinplastic.com
Ya, I would probably email that one since I think Melissa is on maternity leave right now. She used to do all of the logistics, but there is someone new filling in for her right now I believe (read that somewhere else).
I think Melissa might be back. I want to say Bob has gone back to his regular job. My last few emails with her were just signed -Melissa.
I also heard she might be doing some work from home.
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 22:23:47
I saw that she may be working from home a bit, but she just had a baby, so she needs a break. ;) email sales and have them direct it on to whoever is doing this buy.Bah, I hate timezones.
Here's hoping there will be spares :)
Email PMK right away, historically they allowed people to submit (or at least update) orders on the same day the buy closed.
Do we email signature plastics? I can't find PMK email address.
Is this it:
sales@solutionsinplastic.com
Ya, I would probably email that one since I think Melissa is on maternity leave right now. She used to do all of the logistics, but there is someone new filling in for her right now I believe (read that somewhere else).
I think Melissa might be back. I want to say Bob has gone back to his regular job. My last few emails with her were just signed -Melissa.
I also heard she might be doing some work from home.
Post by: hermith on Fri, 13 March 2015, 00:26:10
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 13 March 2015, 07:12:22
The Nordic set actually hit 17! Thanks guys. I'm glad I put in 4 different orders because I don't want to know how much I spent. A year ago I wouldn't even spend 100 bucks on a set. :D Hobbies are dangerous.
They called it WalletHack for a reason. ;D
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 March 2015, 10:44:55
Post by: FingerPunch on Fri, 13 March 2015, 10:49:48
It makes me not very fond of the way these group buys function on PMK. I want to know what I'm buying, so I know what should go with it.
I bought enough caps for 3 sets... oh wait, no I didn't.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 13 March 2015, 11:46:53
The colemak didn't go through. Harsh. I guess it'll be another couple years for me where I'm typing colemak on a $100 qwerty set. :'(
It makes me not very fond of the way these group buys function on PMK. I want to know what I'm buying, so I know what should go with it.
I bought enough caps for 3 sets... oh wait, no I didn't.
Yes, their system needs help. Sorry the Colemak didn't make it. Colemak only has a few (8?) keys that are affected by this set...I suppose you could use blanks for those and then at least you'd have the colemak layout and the color scheme. I bought a number of blanks in all colors so if you want to do that let me know.
Post by: IMBoddy on Fri, 13 March 2015, 13:34:09
Post by: HapticBovinator on Fri, 13 March 2015, 14:18:13
Melissa said no more kits available for those who missed the group buy.
Post by: samsonite727 on Fri, 13 March 2015, 19:54:56
Bah, I hate timezones.
Here's hoping there will be spares :)
Email PMK right away, historically they allowed people to submit (or at least update) orders on the same day the buy closed.
Do we email signature plastics? I can't find PMK email address.
Is this it:
sales@solutionsinplastic.com
Ya, I would probably email that one since I think Melissa is on maternity leave right now. She used to do all of the logistics, but there is someone new filling in for her right now I believe (read that somewhere else).
Thanks for this info, contacted Melissa couple hours after the buy was closed and was given the chance to buy the ergodox set. Just received the invoice and paid :thumb:
Btw shipping came down to a very reasonable $9.
Post by: kittykatmax on Fri, 13 March 2015, 20:27:44
...aaaaannnd drum roll...
Melissa said no more kits available for those who missed the group buy.
Huh....I wouldn't have thought they'd even started producing them yet.
Post by: HapticBovinator on Sat, 14 March 2015, 08:11:31
Her email had a spelling error and I guess I misread it, she must have been trying to say "Not right now," but I thought it meant "Not at all."
Thanks for clearing that up.
Post by: Jolikki on Tue, 17 March 2015, 11:44:09
(http://i.imgur.com/W2OZx07.jpg) (http://imgur.com/W2OZx07)
(http://i.imgur.com/fr8SSsE.jpg) (http://imgur.com/fr8SSsE)
(http://i.imgur.com/OotUZdV.jpg) (http://imgur.com/OotUZdV)
Post by: Data on Tue, 17 March 2015, 11:58:01
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 17 March 2015, 12:29:07
Show Image
Show Image
My keyboard is ready ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/W2OZx07.jpg) (http://imgur.com/W2OZx07)
(http://i.imgur.com/fr8SSsE.jpg) (http://imgur.com/fr8SSsE)
(http://i.imgur.com/OotUZdV.jpg) (http://imgur.com/OotUZdV)
Pretty sweet...where did you buy it from?
Post by: Jolikki on Tue, 17 March 2015, 12:48:31
Show ImageShow ImageMy keyboard is ready ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/W2OZx07.jpg) (http://imgur.com/W2OZx07)
(http://i.imgur.com/fr8SSsE.jpg) (http://imgur.com/fr8SSsE)
(http://i.imgur.com/OotUZdV.jpg) (http://imgur.com/OotUZdV)
Pretty sweet...where did you buy it from?
I got it from http://techkeys.us after seeing the link in this thread :)
Shipping to sweden took about one week or so, pretty good
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 18 March 2015, 08:46:17
Post by: hermith on Wed, 18 March 2015, 09:35:17
The keyboard I'm popping them on:
(https://i.imgur.com/uiZQepB.jpg)
I guess I'm obliged to buy a fitting cable as well now. ;)
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 18 March 2015, 09:52:29
Post by: xixihaha2008 on Wed, 18 March 2015, 11:10:59
Post by: swill on Wed, 18 March 2015, 11:53:06
Yes...I would guess 2-3 months. It depends on what other orders are ahead of us, or are place ahead of us in the future.
Well I think R5 is basically wrapping up now, so that will free up a lot of their time. :)
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 18 March 2015, 14:17:10
Yes...I would guess 2-3 months. It depends on what other orders are ahead of us, or are place ahead of us in the future.
Well I think R5 is basically wrapping up now, so that will free up a lot of their time. :)
Anyone know the quantities involved with R5? Any where did they all come from(the buyers, that is)?
Post by: swill on Wed, 18 March 2015, 14:45:38
Yes...I would guess 2-3 months. It depends on what other orders are ahead of us, or are place ahead of us in the future.
Well I think R5 is basically wrapping up now, so that will free up a lot of their time. :)
Anyone know the quantities involved with R5? Any where did they all come from(the buyers, that is)?
Not sure, but I am guessing it was over 1000 complete sets. I actually just asked on DT, so maybe we will get a number. :)
Post by: unoab on Wed, 18 March 2015, 15:33:36
Yes...I would guess 2-3 months. It depends on what other orders are ahead of us, or are place ahead of us in the future.
Well I think R5 is basically wrapping up now, so that will free up a lot of their time. :)
Anyone know the quantities involved with R5? Any where did they all come from(the buyers, that is)?
Not sure, but I am guessing it was over 1000 complete sets. I actually just asked on DT, so maybe we will get a number. :)
Hopefully 7bit says how many kits, but he did say how many keys before in this post:
http://deskthority.net/post211456.html#p211456 (http://deskthority.net/post211456.html#p211456)
Quote from: 7bit
118525 ordered from SP, 106622 sold, 11903 unsold.
This includes a reserve of at least 2 keys per legend, row and color to cover losses.
which at an arbitrary amount of 100 keys a kit would be about 1066 kits sold...
Post by: Data on Thu, 19 March 2015, 08:31:15
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:01:39
Specialty Kit - I tried to include the most commonly needed ones while reducing the size of the kit.
[attachimg=1]
Slang Kit - Took a stab a this one. Everyone has an opinion on their favorite slang, so its a tough one.
[attachimg=2]
Novelties - I thought it would be nice to have a couple novelties. Maybe include these free if you buy one of the sets...
[attachimg=3]
Please give me some feed back on the content above.
Should I change this to a full IC thread?
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:16:04
I promised to follow up with a couple smaller add-ons to fill some of the gaps left by the failed child deals. Here are a few ideas:
Specialty Kit - I tried to include the most commonly needed ones while reducing the size of the kit.
(Attachment Link)
Slang Kit - Took a stab a this one. Everyone has an opinion on their favorite slang, so its a tough one.
(Attachment Link)
Novelties - I thought it would be nice to have a couple novelties. Maybe include these free if you buy one of the sets...
(Attachment Link)
Please give me some feed back on the content above.
Should I change this to a full IC thread?
Here are my thoughts.
We should see if we can get another Winkeyless option in because I think a lot of people are interested in that. If that is the case, you can probably remove the 1u keys from the specialty kit that are duplicate from the winkeyless kit.
I am not sure when people would use a brown 1.25 unit caps lock key. I think a 1.25 blue one will be used, but I am not sure about a brown one. Same with a 1.25 unit blue Fn key. I expect people will use a brown one, but not the blue one. What layout uses a 1.75 unit enter key? I have never seen that before either. Otherwise, ya, that is looking pretty good.
Slang kit looks pretty good to me. If the price is right I will buy it. :)
I like your novelties. That smiley face is awesome. :)
Ideally it would be possible to buy blanks of keys bigger than 1u. That way people can pick up a matching color key if they can't get it in one of the sets.
Post by: Data on Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:19:25
I promised to follow up with a couple smaller add-ons to fill some of the gaps left by the failed child deals. Here are a few ideas:
Specialty Kit - I tried to include the most commonly needed ones while reducing the size of the kit.
(Attachment Link)
Slang Kit - Took a stab a this one. Everyone has an opinion on their favorite slang, so its a tough one.
(Attachment Link)
Novelties - I thought it would be nice to have a couple novelties. Maybe include these free if you buy one of the sets...
(Attachment Link)
Please give me some feed back on the content above.
Should I change this to a full IC thread?
I am in for both of these. If you added a 1u backslash/pipe in brown to the Specialty Kit that would be absolutely everything I need. But don't add it just for me.
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:30:41
I promised to follow up with a couple smaller add-ons to fill some of the gaps left by the failed child deals. Here are a few ideas:
Specialty Kit - I tried to include the most commonly needed ones while reducing the size of the kit.
(Attachment Link)
Slang Kit - Took a stab a this one. Everyone has an opinion on their favorite slang, so its a tough one.
(Attachment Link)
Novelties - I thought it would be nice to have a couple novelties. Maybe include these free if you buy one of the sets...
(Attachment Link)
Please give me some feed back on the content above.
Should I change this to a full IC thread?
I am in for both of these. If you added a 1u backslash/pipe in brown to the Specialty Kit that would be absolutely everything I need. But don't add it just for me.
That is a pretty common key. I would +1 that even though I would not use it...
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:49:21
Yes, I agree...maybe a minimal set with only 1.5u CTRL/ALT and 7u space bar? What 1u keys would be duplicate?MoreWe should see if we can get another Winkeyless option in because I think a lot of people are interested in that. If that is the case, you can probably remove the 1u keys from the specialty kit that are duplicate from the winkeyless kit.I promised to follow up with a couple smaller add-ons to fill some of the gaps left by the failed child deals. Here are a few ideas:
Specialty Kit - I tried to include the most commonly needed ones while reducing the size of the kit.
(Attachment Link)
Slang Kit - Took a stab a this one. Everyone has an opinion on their favorite slang, so its a tough one.
(Attachment Link)
Novelties - I thought it would be nice to have a couple novelties. Maybe include these free if you buy one of the sets...
(Attachment Link)
Please give me some feed back on the content above.
Should I change this to a full IC thread?
I am not sure when people would use a brown 1.25 unit caps lock key. I think a 1.25 blue one will be used, but I am not sure about a brown one. Same with a 1.25 unit blue Fn key. I expect people will use a brown one, but not the blue one. What layout uses a 1.75 unit enter key? I have never seen that before either. Otherwise, ya, that is looking pretty good.Agreed on the brown caps lock. The base kit had a blue one, so that is covered. I like the flexibility of the brown 1.25u Fn. agreed, 1.75u Enter key is probably not needed.
Ideally it would be possible to buy blanks of keys bigger than 1u. That way people can pick up a matching color key if they can't get it in one of the sets.Thanks for reminding me!! 1.25, 1.5u and 2u in blue and brown?
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:50:36
MoreI promised to follow up with a couple smaller add-ons to fill some of the gaps left by the failed child deals. Here are a few ideas:
Specialty Kit - I tried to include the most commonly needed ones while reducing the size of the kit.
(Attachment Link)
Slang Kit - Took a stab a this one. Everyone has an opinion on their favorite slang, so its a tough one.
(Attachment Link)
Novelties - I thought it would be nice to have a couple novelties. Maybe include these free if you buy one of the sets...
(Attachment Link)
Please give me some feed back on the content above.
Should I change this to a full IC thread?
I am in for both of these. If you added a 1u backslash/pipe in brown to the Specialty Kit that would be absolutely everything I need. But don't add it just for me.
Will do.
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 March 2015, 10:59:20
Yes, I agree...maybe a minimal set with only 1.5u CTRL/ALT and 7u space bar? What 1u keys would be duplicate?MoreWe should see if we can get another Winkeyless option in because I think a lot of people are interested in that. If that is the case, you can probably remove the 1u keys from the specialty kit that are duplicate from the winkeyless kit.I promised to follow up with a couple smaller add-ons to fill some of the gaps left by the failed child deals. Here are a few ideas:
Specialty Kit - I tried to include the most commonly needed ones while reducing the size of the kit.
(Attachment Link)
Slang Kit - Took a stab a this one. Everyone has an opinion on their favorite slang, so its a tough one.
(Attachment Link)
Novelties - I thought it would be nice to have a couple novelties. Maybe include these free if you buy one of the sets...
(Attachment Link)
Please give me some feed back on the content above.
Should I change this to a full IC thread?I am not sure when people would use a brown 1.25 unit caps lock key. I think a 1.25 blue one will be used, but I am not sure about a brown one. Same with a 1.25 unit blue Fn key. I expect people will use a brown one, but not the blue one. What layout uses a 1.75 unit enter key? I have never seen that before either. Otherwise, ya, that is looking pretty good.Agreed on the brown caps lock. The base kit had a blue one, so that is covered. I like the flexibility of the brown 1.25u Fn. agreed, 1.75u Enter key is probably not needed.Ideally it would be possible to buy blanks of keys bigger than 1u. That way people can pick up a matching color key if they can't get it in one of the sets.Thanks for reminding me!! 1.25, 1.5u and 2u in blue and brown?
Sorry, none of the 1u keys would be duplicate. :) It was the 1u win and meta keys I was thinking about. I will let other winkeyless people comment on what they think that kit should have.
For blanks, maybe add 1.75 blank as well, but yes, that is what I was thinking.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 March 2015, 11:10:13
Specialty
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Winkeyless
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Post by: mashby on Thu, 19 March 2015, 11:47:47
Ok..Updated
Specialty
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Winkeyless
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Loving the Specialty kit. Looks like that will accommodate Pure, HHKB and Infinity layouts nicely. Put me down for one for sure.
Post by: Data on Thu, 19 March 2015, 12:11:23
Ok..Updated
Specialty
(Attachment Link)
Winkeyless
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Awesome. Specialty looks like a $22-24 kit (with a decent MOQ) now. Great job.
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 March 2015, 12:49:45
Ok..Updated
Specialty
(Attachment Link)
Winkeyless
(Attachment Link)
Like it.
The specialty kit is looking solid.
I probably would not have bought the winkeyless set if it was bigger than this. I don't really use it (right now), but with these keys I think I would get it just for experimenting with layouts. GJ, will probably make it tip much easier.
I would probably pick up a couple blank 1 unit keys to round out the winkeyless kit.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 March 2015, 12:51:02
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 19 March 2015, 12:55:27
1.75u Enter/Return is for 40% layouts, such as the JD40 and JD45.
Ah...I had forgotten that. Thanks
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 March 2015, 12:58:14
1.75u Enter/Return is for 40% layouts, such as the JD40 and JD45.
Ah...I had forgotten that. Thanks
No problem!
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 19 March 2015, 16:39:39
Ok..Updated
Specialty
(Attachment Link)
Winkeyless
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These are looking good. Should be able to hit MOQ's easy enough.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 24 March 2015, 07:08:02
25 sets $38.12 per set
50 sets $23.52 per set
75 sets $18.65 per set
This is because every cap is considered as having a custom legend. If this price seems too high, we could eliminate a few more caps to reduce price.
Possibly (removed 3 caps):
[attachimg=1]
Maybe even eliminate a couple of the 1u caps.....suggestions on which ones?
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 24 March 2015, 07:24:33
I heard back from SP on pricing and most of the add-on kits have decent pricing, but the slang kit is still somewhat pricey:
25 sets $38.12 per set
50 sets $23.52 per set
75 sets $18.65 per set
This is because every cap is considered as having a custom legend. If this price seems too high, we could eliminate a few more caps to reduce price.
Possibly (removed 3 caps):
(Attachment Link)
Maybe even eliminate a couple of the 1u caps.....suggestions on which ones?
My choices to keep: FAR OUT, GET REAL, BE COOL.
BURN THE MAN, TEN FOUR? can go. Ur. I mean I don't mind if you drop BURN, THE MAN and TEN FOUR.
Post by: swill on Tue, 24 March 2015, 07:27:19
That is what I was thinking too.I heard back from SP on pricing and most of the add-on kits have decent pricing, but the slang kit is still somewhat pricey:
25 sets $38.12 per set
50 sets $23.52 per set
75 sets $18.65 per set
This is because every cap is considered as having a custom legend. If this price seems too high, we could eliminate a few more caps to reduce price.
Possibly (removed 3 caps):
(Attachment Link)
Maybe even eliminate a couple of the 1u caps.....suggestions on which ones?
My choices to keep: FAR OUT, GET REAL, BE COOL.
BURN THE MAN, TEN FOUR? can go. Ur. I mean I don't mind if you drop BURN, THE MAN and TEN FOUR.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 24 March 2015, 08:00:26
[attachimg=1]
Post by: Data on Tue, 24 March 2015, 08:56:36
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 24 March 2015, 09:03:36
Aw, I kinda liked "The Man". :P
Unfortunately, it was forcing higher prices and therefore...
The Man was keeping us down
Post by: Data on Tue, 24 March 2015, 09:42:45
*rimshot* :))Aw, I kinda liked "The Man". :P
Unfortunately, it was forcing higher prices and therefore...
The Man was keeping us down
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:14:33
Post by: HapticBovinator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:50:09
I had contacted Melissa and they weren't able to get me (albeit late) into the group buy.
Have I missed it completely? Are there no "extras" or something?
Post by: swill on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:10:31
So forgive me if this is a n00b question but...
I had contacted Melissa and they weren't able to get me (albeit late) into the group buy.
Have I missed it completely? Are there no "extras" or something?
You missed it. There are no extras. Your only way to get it at this point is to try to pick one up in the classifieds after people get them. Some people will have picked this up who will not end up liking the SA profile, so you should be able to pick up a set then...
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:46:51
So forgive me if this is a n00b question but...
I had contacted Melissa and they weren't able to get me (albeit late) into the group buy.
Have I missed it completely? Are there no "extras" or something?
You missed it. There are no extras. Your only way to get it at this point is to try to pick one up in the classifieds after people get them. Some people will have picked this up who will not end up liking the SA profile, so you should be able to pick up a set then...
Check the PMK site for other SA GBs that may be coming soon.
Post by: kittykatmax on Sat, 04 April 2015, 11:36:55
I was thinking the red and gold carbon fiber might be cool to highlight the red and gold keycaps:
(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server100/5307a/products/83387/images/649301/MSXBOneWTP-420drkrd__40288.1409411136.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
Thoughts?
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 04 April 2015, 15:44:18
I am considering "hydro dipping" my CM Storm QFR case for this keyset. According to a post here: http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2zriki/want_a_hydro_dipped_keyboard_just_got_mine_back/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2zriki/want_a_hydro_dipped_keyboard_just_got_mine_back/), If you send an email to Info@MorbidStix.com, MorbidStix.com will apparently hydro dip a case for $30, which beats my time (and potential disaster) in trying to paint the case myself, especially since extra top panels aren't currently available from CM.
Thoughts?
Not sure the carbon fiber fits the 70's vibe, but it's your case. ;D
livingspeedbump (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44465) is the one that had his case hydro-dipped. I believe he is having a case hydrodipped with a natural wood color for this set.
Post by: kittykatmax on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:53:00
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:08:35
[attachimg=1]
The caps will be smooth, so use that portion of the chip as a reference. It has a bit of an orange tone to it, so if you go with a classic red, it will not be an exact match.
Post by: kittykatmax on Sat, 04 April 2015, 19:37:36
Post by: Data on Thu, 16 April 2015, 08:04:21
Quote
1976 - In Production - Currently scheduled to ship April 30th
But then right under that...
Quote
4/15 Update: Raw material delivery has delayed this order - we are waiting for supplier delivery info.
:-X
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 16 April 2015, 09:57:03
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 16 April 2015, 09:57:42
Don't know if you guys noticed but SP has a new GB Status page up at http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deal-status/.Quote1976 - In Production - Currently scheduled to ship April 30th
But then right under that...Quote4/15 Update: Raw material delivery has delayed this order - we are waiting for supplier delivery info.
:-X
Son of a!!!
Post by: Data on Thu, 16 April 2015, 11:04:05
Post by: swill on Fri, 17 April 2015, 06:20:50
Don't know if you guys noticed but SP has a new GB Status page up at http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deal-status/.Man they have the worse mobile site in the world. Shows like 10% of the content. :(Quote1976 - In Production - Currently scheduled to ship April 30th
But then right under that...Quote4/15 Update: Raw material delivery has delayed this order - we are waiting for supplier delivery info.
:-X
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 17 April 2015, 07:24:52
Post by: Data on Fri, 17 April 2015, 12:04:22
Post by: swill on Wed, 22 April 2015, 20:29:32
I can't get the mobile site to work at all across 3 platforms. So I get 0% content.Haha. Ya we all get zero content. We get their branding and that's all they give two ****s about. "Oh, you came here looking for something? <laughs>"
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 23 April 2015, 03:17:40
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 23 April 2015, 08:26:50
I'm gonna be making a wooden case for one of my GON PCB's just for this set.. Hopefully I can make it look good enough to do these caps justice.
livingspeedbump is doing a hydrodipped case with a woodgrain, but I think real wood would be one step better. I would go with an older style case design with a generous amount of margin above the keys, ala G80-3000. That would really let the wood get into the action.
Post by: Phinnegan on Thu, 23 April 2015, 08:54:03
Post by: Data on Thu, 23 April 2015, 08:57:02
I'm gonna be making a wooden case for one of my GON PCB's just for this set.. Hopefully I can make it look good enough to do these caps justice.
Sounds awesome.
A faded tan plastic case would work well too. Rock that Atari 800 vibe.
(http://i.imgur.com/kIxPTCS.png)
Post by: kittykatmax on Fri, 24 April 2015, 11:21:23
1976 4/23 Update: Order is about 1/2 complete - raw material is scheduled to deliver on 4/30.
Post by: doof on Sat, 25 April 2015, 16:27:29
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 25 April 2015, 20:50:27
I'm late to the party (trying to put together my first keyboard). Is there any way I can still get in on this? I love these caps!
I believe SP will be carrying them in their online store.
Post by: Jolikki on Thu, 07 May 2015, 07:35:49
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 07 May 2015, 14:13:12
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 07 May 2015, 14:16:40
Post by: Data on Thu, 07 May 2015, 14:24:37
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deal-statusAW YISS!
(http://i.imgur.com/Vc2OPjh.gif)
Post by: hermith on Thu, 07 May 2015, 15:55:33
Shoot me a PM when you receive the sets Engicoder and we'll agree on the proxying? :D
Post by: billputer on Thu, 07 May 2015, 21:30:35
...wait, you probably do.
Post by: Data on Fri, 08 May 2015, 09:29:14
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 08 May 2015, 09:44:05
1) Had my hip replacement yesterday and all went well. I am sending this from my hospital bed. :thumb:
2) I got the production photos. Please look for any errors. If they look good, I will give Melissa the go ahead to start shipping.
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[attach=3]
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[attach=5]
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Post by: Data on Fri, 08 May 2015, 10:14:34
I looked at every key. All of the ones that stick out to me are in the multi-ISO kit.
, , and keys are all too high on the cap. They aren't aligned vertically with the other keys in the row, or even with similar keys in the set. See how is more centered on the cap?
Also the ampersand isn't centered over the 6 in the number row (two keys affected) but it's not as big a deal as the 3 misaligned alphas from that kit.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 08 May 2015, 10:34:06
Wow! Awesome. :thumb:
I looked at every key. All of the ones that stick out to me are in the multi-ISO kit.
, , and keys are all too high on the cap. They aren't aligned vertically with the other keys in the row, or even with similar keys in the set. See how is more centered on the cap?
Also the ampersand isn't centered over the 6 in the number row (two keys affected) but it's not as big a deal as the 3 misaligned alphas from that kit.
I see what you are talking about.....its tough. I think the lighting makes it tough to see them clearly. How do you think the accented keys should be align? Should they be aligned at the bottom. Should then be centered?
I think either will result in some issues.. Looks like they mixed the two here.
Post by: Jolikki on Fri, 08 May 2015, 10:39:42
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 08 May 2015, 10:45:33
Regarding the .. I think it would look off-centered if it was aligned with the dots in thought. Think of them without the dots and it looks like a centered A, for example.
Yes, I think they tried to center the letter as it would be without the accent, which seems valid
Post by: samsonite727 on Fri, 08 May 2015, 11:24:25
The ergodox kit really good to me :)
Post by: unoab on Fri, 08 May 2015, 12:17:21
Regarding the .. I think it would look off-centered if it was aligned with the dots in thought. Think of them without the dots and it looks like a centered A, for example.
Yes, I think they tried to center the letter as it would be without the accent, which seems valid
I believe that is how 7bit has them mold them for Round5, here is a link to the corrections for Round5 on some of the sets he got:
http://deskthority.net/post212156.html#p212156 (http://deskthority.net/post212156.html#p212156)
His comments on the photos are that the letter should be centered regardless to having an accent over it or not.
Post by: Hanni on Fri, 08 May 2015, 12:19:41
1) Had my hip replacement yesterday and all went well. I am sending this from my hospital bed. :thumb:Swift recovery ! You can rest now , great job was completed :)
Post by: Data on Fri, 08 May 2015, 12:39:17
Regarding the .. I think it would look off-centered if it was aligned with the dots in thought. Think of them without the dots and it looks like a centered A, for example.
Yes, I think they tried to center the letter as it would be without the accent, which seems valid
I believe that is how 7bit has them mold them for Round5, here is a link to the corrections for Round5 on some of the sets he got:
http://deskthority.net/post212156.html#p212156 (http://deskthority.net/post212156.html#p212156)
His comments on the photos are that the letter should be centered regardless to having an accent over it or not.
I was going off memory from those same posts/photos for Round 5. I may have misremembered the final judgment on which legends were good, though. If 7bit got them changed to be higher on the key cap then that's probably the correct placement. And in that case, they're all good. :)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 08 May 2015, 13:15:39
I am sending this from my hospital bed. :thumb:
I didn't think they allowed you to post to geekhack from your hospital bed.
Seriously though, thanks for the update! The set looks amazing. :D
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 08 May 2015, 13:23:55
Two updates!!
1) Had my hip replacement yesterday and all went well. I am sending this from my hospital bed. :thumb:
2) I got the production photos. Please look for any errors. If they look good, I will give Melissa the go ahead to start shipping.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
I am satisfied. They look mighty good.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 08 May 2015, 13:50:46
Seriously. Shoutouts to based engicoder for the great bedside manner. Caps lookingI am sending this from my hospital bed. :thumb:
I didn't think they allowed you to post to geekhack from your hospital bed.
Seriously though, thanks for the update! The set looks amazing. :D
Post by: FingerPunch on Fri, 08 May 2015, 14:46:18
Being as obsessed with home keys as I have become, I noticed the homing 7 key has the dot over the "7", and it is the base color. It would have been nice if the 7 was nudged down a bit, or if somehow the dot could be the legend color. Not a big deal tho.
Boy, this has come a long way.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 08 May 2015, 15:24:09
Update: These should start shipping on Monday.
Post by: atectatifern on Sat, 09 May 2015, 07:33:09
They look awesome and wishing you a quick recovery!
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 09 May 2015, 15:29:32
Post by: Data on Sat, 09 May 2015, 16:19:40
Thanks for the support guys. I will tell Melissa to get this in the mail ASAP. Start looking for those shipping notifications :thumb:
Update: These should start shipping on Monday.
Sounds great. Speedy recovery dude. :)
Post by: billputer on Sat, 09 May 2015, 23:16:34
Post by: kittykatmax on Mon, 11 May 2015, 15:34:50
Got my USPS tracking number today - my keycaps are supposed to go out tonight! Very excited to get my first set of custom keycaps. :)
Post by: kurukato on Mon, 11 May 2015, 18:54:31
Post by: hermith on Wed, 13 May 2015, 02:14:35
Post by: Steveenn on Wed, 13 May 2015, 03:13:59
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 13 May 2015, 05:36:15
Of course. They managed to mess up my shipping, even though I talked to their support during the drop it self. I wanted all my orders (4 in total) to be shipped to Engicoder so he could proxy for me, but instead they went against their word and shipped all of them straight to me! Oh well, it's "only" 60 USD extra for me, but it's 60 USD unnecessary extra!
That sucks!! Sorry to hear that! Hope that $60 pain fades quickly once they arrive on your door step!!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 13 May 2015, 14:36:40
Post by: Data on Wed, 13 May 2015, 14:38:53
Post by: Jolikki on Wed, 13 May 2015, 14:58:36
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 13 May 2015, 15:04:06
Post by: swill on Wed, 13 May 2015, 15:05:26
Of course. They managed to mess up my shipping, even though I talked to their support during the drop it self. I wanted all my orders (4 in total) to be shipped to Engicoder so he could proxy for me, but instead they went against their word and shipped all of them straight to me! Oh well, it's "only" 60 USD extra for me, but it's 60 USD unnecessary extra!
Thats only going to be be half the pain unfortunately. They always mark the full value on the packages, so you are going to get hit pretty hard with customs/duty as well. :( Sorry dude...
Post by: hermith on Wed, 13 May 2015, 15:26:07
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 13 May 2015, 15:32:36
Just got a mail from them now, apparently 3/4 have been shipped to Engicoder, and 1/4 have been shipped to me. Though I only got a tracking number for the one shipped to me. I think the one that has been shipped to me was only one (of two) of the Nordic sets. So if all goes well I should be in the clear. :)
Good news!!
Post by: Steveenn on Thu, 14 May 2015, 10:48:24
Post by: mashby on Thu, 14 May 2015, 13:52:11
(http://l.mashby.com/1fCJC+)
(http://l.mashby.com/1feBp+)
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 14 May 2015, 14:26:14
Post by: Data on Thu, 14 May 2015, 15:03:47
My order arrived this afternoon and I couldn't resist putting them on my board. This set ousted my beloved Penumbra (at least for now). Have to say I'm really digging the scoops!Show Image(http://l.mashby.com/1fCJC+)Show Image(http://l.mashby.com/1feBp+)
Dammit I just spit all over my screen.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 14 May 2015, 15:06:32
My order arrived this afternoon and I couldn't resist putting them on my board. This set ousted my beloved Penumbra (at least for now). Have to say I'm really digging the scoops!Show Image(http://l.mashby.com/1fCJC+)Show Image(http://l.mashby.com/1feBp+)
I didn't want to waste more time dawdling at the house to put mine on the board. I'll show off mine tonight probably. Or maybe I will wait. I just got a notification that the hydrodipped case I got to match this keyset is on its way.
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 14 May 2015, 16:06:52
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 14 May 2015, 16:48:26
My order arrived this afternoon and I couldn't resist putting them on my board. This set ousted my beloved Penumbra (at least for now). Have to say I'm really digging the scoops!
Looks great Mashby!! Thanks for the pics!!
Post by: mashby on Thu, 14 May 2015, 16:52:08
My order arrived this afternoon and I couldn't resist putting them on my board. This set ousted my beloved Penumbra (at least for now). Have to say I'm really digging the scoops!
Looks great Mashby!! Thanks for the pics!!
Thank YOU my good sir. Such a creative design and like nothing I've seen, so thank you for putting this group buy together.
My only hope is that we can get some excitement for the Add Ons GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70279.0) that you're running. :thumb:
Post by: swill on Thu, 14 May 2015, 16:54:45
My order arrived this afternoon and I couldn't resist putting them on my board. This set ousted my beloved Penumbra (at least for now). Have to say I'm really digging the scoops!
Looks great Mashby!! Thanks for the pics!!
Thank YOU my good sir. Such a creative design and like nothing I've seen, so thank you for putting this group buy together.
My only hope is that we can get some excitement for the Add Ons GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70279.0) that you're running. :thumb:
+1 for the Add Ons GB... :)
Post by: FingerPunch on Thu, 14 May 2015, 16:57:02
The colors are even better in person. They are quite impressive to look at. Very rich and vivid contrasts. Just beautiful.
Post by: meirish on Thu, 14 May 2015, 16:57:54
(https://cldup.com/W1kUNll8oY.jpg)
Thanks for much for running this!
Post by: Jolikki on Thu, 14 May 2015, 17:17:43
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 14 May 2015, 17:57:32
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 14 May 2015, 21:19:27
My order arrived this afternoon and I couldn't resist putting them on my board. This set ousted my beloved Penumbra (at least for now). Have to say I'm really digging the scoops!Show Image(http://l.mashby.com/1fCJC+)Show Image(http://l.mashby.com/1feBp+)
Looks like a super nice set! Thank you for sharing the photos.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 14 May 2015, 21:39:48
(http://i.imgur.com/ocJRYO8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/E0IRZZR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FloHd8H.jpg)
I blame the dim lighting in my apartment.
I was also messing around with color balance, trying to solve the afore mentioned problem, when I accidentally stumbled on this, and it looked cool.
(http://i.imgur.com/AsVEZY8.jpg)
Post by: Steveenn on Thu, 14 May 2015, 23:03:16
(http://i.imgur.com/Xr8HlHX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vbKQ7AQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/P2wScmP.jpg)
I haven't seen an Ergodox set here yet, so here you go.
(http://i.imgur.com/eFHmf4Y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GbpviI3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HlOvH14.jpg)
This is my first SA keycap set. I really love the feeling of the smooth caps. These colors really work well together, much better than I had imagined with just the renders to ogle.
Post by: kittykatmax on Fri, 15 May 2015, 00:15:33
My keycaps supposedly left Washington State on the 12th (received on the 11th at the post office), so hopefully I get them at least by Saturday.
Friday Update:
This morning, still hasn't arrived anywhere or been scanned since it left Washington. Having driven from the West Coast to Illinois more than once, and knowing it is a two day drive for non-truckers, I can only conclude they decided to drive it around the world West (amphibious truck?), perhaps stopping in Hawaii or Europe along the way.......or perhaps they went back to using the Pony Express, using miniature ponies (short legs, so trip takes longer). Also still showing it should have arrived two days ago.
I would rather pay more for UPS and get reliable shipping.
Post by: billputer on Fri, 15 May 2015, 00:56:43
I got my sets in the mail today.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Xr8HlHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbKQ7AQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P2wScmP.jpg)
I haven't seen an Ergodox set here yet, so here you go.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eFHmf4Y.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GbpviI3.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HlOvH14.jpg)
This is my first SA keycap set. I really love the feeling of the smooth caps. These colors really work well together, much better than I had imagined with just the renders to ogle.
Oh wow, I really like the Ergodox. Looks beautiful!
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 15 May 2015, 05:43:18
According to the U.S.P.S., mine are due to arrive....yesterday. /sigh Really, they have the worst tracking ever.
My keycaps supposedly left Washington State on the 12th, so hopefully I get them at least by Saturday.
Hang in there. Maybe mine on the same truck/aircraft as yours, because my tracking says the same. Called USPS and the conversation with their crack technical staff went as follows: (BTW, was a callback because expected hold time was 25-37 minutes.)
Me: I checked the online tracking and my package was last scanned leaving Washington on the 12th with and expected delivery on the 13th, but it hasn't arrived.
USPS: Can I have you tracking number:
Me: Oh, sorry, let me get it. I though you would have it. I entered it when I called before and requested a call back. I thought your system would have it for you.
USPS: Went we are passed the call, we don't even know its a callback.
Me: Ah, nice system....(give her the tracking number)
USPS: Hmm....(typing)... It left Washington on the 12th..
Me: (after she says nothing else) It hasn't arrived, do you have anymore information?
USPS: No its not due until tomorrow.
Me: But its marked Priority 2-Day.
USPS: 11...12...13...Oh well sometimes they take an extra day.
Me: Yes, today was the extra day, it still hasn't arrived.
USPS: Sometimes it takes a little longer. Wait another day.
Me: Ok, thanks for your help.
So basically online tracking is much more useful than calling.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 15 May 2015, 05:48:36
I loaded up the set and took some pics. I had to take a couple, since all of the colors wouldn't come out correctly at the same time.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ocJRYO8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/E0IRZZR.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FloHd8H.jpg)
I blame the dim lighting in my apartment.
I was also messing around with color balance, trying to solve the afore mentioned problem, when I accidentally stumbled on this, and it looked cool.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AsVEZY8.jpg)
Thanks for posting the pics. Hadn't seen it on a white case yet!!
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 15 May 2015, 05:50:24
I got my sets in the mail today.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Xr8HlHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbKQ7AQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P2wScmP.jpg)
I haven't seen an Ergodox set here yet, so here you go.
Thanks for the pictures. ErgoDox does look great! To bad the legends kit didn't tip.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eFHmf4Y.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GbpviI3.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HlOvH14.jpg)
This is my first SA keycap set. I really love the feeling of the smooth caps. These colors really work well together, much better than I had imagined with just the renders to ogle.
Post by: Jolikki on Fri, 15 May 2015, 06:21:56
Post by: hermith on Fri, 15 May 2015, 06:32:39
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 15 May 2015, 07:36:56
So basically online tracking is much more useful than calling.
Always. Those people are just sitting in front of the same website you're using.
I hate to break it to ya, but I'd put down good money that they lost the package. :(
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 15 May 2015, 07:46:36
So basically online tracking is much more useful than calling.
Always. Those people are just sitting in front of the same website you're using.
I hate to break it to ya, but I'd put down good money that they lost the package. :(
My fear too....worse than just mine, I am proxying for Swill and hermith. :'(
Update: Tracking finally updated. Says out for delivery today...disaster averted. :thumb:
Post by: Data on Fri, 15 May 2015, 09:14:49
Thanks for putting this together, engi.
Edit: If you paid for USPS Guaranteed 2-day Delivery then you can request a refund and USPS has to honor it. The only catch is, SP has to request the refund (they are the shipper) and then you can haggle with them about getting it credited back to you.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 15 May 2015, 09:41:49
1976 received rather unexpectedly yesterday. I was thinking it would be another day at least. I haven't even had time to put them on a board yet, but I can already tell they are amazing.
Thanks for putting this together, engi.
Edit: If you paid for USPS Guaranteed 2-day Delivery then you can request a refund and USPS has to honor it. The only catch is, SP has to request the refund (they are the shipper) and then you can haggle with them about getting it credited back to you.
Thanks for the info..I think it was their Priority 2-Day which in the fine print essentially says " 2 days....probably, may take longer"
Post by: kittykatmax on Fri, 15 May 2015, 10:02:59
So basically online tracking is much more useful than calling.
Always. Those people are just sitting in front of the same website you're using.
I hate to break it to ya, but I'd put down good money that they lost the package. :(
That is my fear. What good is tracking when it's pretty much a black hole between departure and arrival? Fed Ex Ground can be like that, too.
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 15 May 2015, 11:28:22
(http://i.imgur.com/hcHGsOH.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/hcHGsOH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9bUP8nY.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/9bUP8nY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iUIyZqG.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/iUIyZqG.jpg)
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 15 May 2015, 11:42:04
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 15 May 2015, 11:46:45
Show Image
Show Image
Haven't seen a lot of full-size shots. I'm loving the numpad. :cool:
(http://i.imgur.com/hcHGsOH.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/hcHGsOH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9bUP8nY.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/9bUP8nY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iUIyZqG.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/iUIyZqG.jpg)
Great Pics!!
Post by: kittykatmax on Fri, 15 May 2015, 12:40:58
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 15 May 2015, 13:57:54
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 15 May 2015, 14:06:32
[attachimg=1]
Post by: cuongcan2020 on Fri, 15 May 2015, 14:23:35
Post by: FingerPunch on Fri, 15 May 2015, 14:55:20
I bought extra blanks for a split matrix/planck style keyboard, where I plan on using an alternate horizontal color scheme. It might take me a while to get pics of it up though.
Is it just me, or do these keycaps look way better in person than in the photographs? It's like my eye can pick up a wavelength that the cameras can't. Maybe my monitor is the problem.
Post by: Data on Fri, 15 May 2015, 21:42:21
Is it just me, or do these keycaps look way better in person than in the photographs? It's like my eye can pick up a wavelength that the cameras can't. Maybe my monitor is the problem.It's more likely than you might think.
Post by: Steveenn on Fri, 15 May 2015, 22:02:07
Good news! Caps finally arrived.
(Attachment Link)
Good lord man, how many sets did you order?
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 15 May 2015, 22:04:09
Good news! Caps finally arrived.
(Attachment Link)
Good lord man, how many sets did you order?
I'm acting as proxy for a couple people, ordered a few and got a free set for every deal that reached 25 orders. ;D
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 15 May 2015, 22:56:24
If anyone ends up not keeping this set, please pm me.
It is actually a limiting phenomenon of all displays. It's called colorfulness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorfulness).
Post by: swill on Fri, 15 May 2015, 23:21:21
Good news! Caps finally arrived.
(Attachment Link)
Good lord man, how many sets did you order?
I spent entirely too much money on this groupby (already), so a bunch of that is me...
Post by: IMBoddy on Fri, 15 May 2015, 23:30:48
Post by: FingerPunch on Sat, 16 May 2015, 13:41:54
I have a custom arrangement color mismatch issue I didn't predict (need homes of same color).
Post by: Glod on Sat, 16 May 2015, 16:12:53
Post by: tom.smykowski on Sun, 17 May 2015, 20:46:20
(http://i.imgur.com/m5ER2tu.jpg)
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 17 May 2015, 21:21:16
put mine on a v60 mini. alternate gradient. The brown goes well with my wrist rest.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/m5ER2tu.jpg)
Great photo. It does look great with that wrist rest!
Post by: swill on Sun, 17 May 2015, 21:35:34
edit: that means there is no rush to proxy for me engicoder, i am on vacation for the next week and the board this is going on is not even built, so im not stressed about these right now. get some rest and think about it in a couple weeks. :)
Post by: kurukato on Sun, 17 May 2015, 22:34:59
(http://i.imgur.com/YIKlvKsh.jpg)
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 18 May 2015, 14:38:37
I just realised that the slash is actually a backslash on the ISO 7 key. Not a big thing, but anyways.
Engicoder, I hope you have a speedy recovery and thank you so much for running this GB.
Do you think you could ask SP about possibly making some correct ISO "7/" keys? I'd be willing to pay a little (for the key and shipping) to get mine. Or perhaps you should wait and see if any other issues crop up as people receive their sets, so they can be sorted in one shot (although hopefully that's the only issue).
Waiting patiently for my set to arrive :) They look amazing on a white board!
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 18 May 2015, 14:47:58
I just realised that the slash is actually a backslash on the ISO 7 key. Not a big thing, but anyways.
Engicoder, I hope you have a speedy recovery and thank you so much for running this GB.
Do you think you could ask SP about possibly making some correct ISO "7/" keys? I'd be willing to pay a little (for the key and shipping) to get mine. Or perhaps you should wait and see if any other issues crop up as people receive their sets, so they can be sorted in one shot (although hopefully that's the only issue).
Waiting patiently for my set to arrive :) They look amazing on a white board!
Yes, I will look into it. It wasn't a manufacturing error. I double checked the original images and the error was there as well, so it was my mistake from the beginning.
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 18 May 2015, 19:42:54
put mine on a v60 mini. alternate gradient. The brown goes well with my wrist rest.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/m5ER2tu.jpg)
I'm loving itShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/YIKlvKsh.jpg)
This set looks so amazing on 60% boards.
Post by: Jolikki on Tue, 19 May 2015, 08:48:32
Post by: Jolikki on Tue, 19 May 2015, 12:13:32
Sadly I found another misprinted alpha in the ISO kit, in addition to the 7 key backslash. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=65935.0;attach=100759;image) See this pic. (http://i.imgur.com/eaeUE03.jpg)
I like the deep dishes and I had completly missed the Control capslock key. That one is perfect since I use caps as control.
Great keyset! Well done, all of you who participated to the design :)
Edit: The green text on the brown keys almost look glow-in-the-dark in the light from the screen :)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 19 May 2015, 12:36:57
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 19 May 2015, 13:00:52
Pics! :D (http://imgur.com/a/0MKgt)
Sadly I found another misprinted alpha in the ISO kit, in addition to the 7 key backslash. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=65935.0;attach=100759;image) See this pic. (http://i.imgur.com/eaeUE03.jpg)
I like the deep dishes and I had completly missed the Control capslock key. That one is perfect since I use caps as control.
Great keyset! Well done, all of you who participated to the design :)
Edit: The green text on the brown keys almost look glow-in-the-dark in the light from the screen :)
The second mistake you found is an SP mistake....will add that to the list to follow up with.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 19 May 2015, 14:44:06
[EDIT] My set is sold.
Post by: deci on Tue, 19 May 2015, 15:03:11
I specially love that it has the tactile bumps for J and F as well as scooped and normal.
(And tactile bumps for 4 and 7 is amazing!!)
Post by: FingerPunch on Tue, 19 May 2015, 19:31:44
I specially love that it has the tactile bumps for J and F as well as scooped and normal.
(And tactile bumps for 4 and 7 is amazing!!)
This is such a good thing, I wish it would become the standard for SA sets.
I was oggling the Retro set and thinking... I don't know, I want it pretty bad, but it doesn't have bump homes.
Dish homes are dizzying for my large callused fingers, although I've been using them on my Nuclear set and have gotten to the point of reluctant acceptance. I've been trying to think of a dot mod to add tactility but haven't come up with anything.
The 4/7 is a *dream come true* since I often type long numbers and am TKLess. I've gone home crazy.
Post by: HapticBovinator on Mon, 25 May 2015, 14:49:36
US ANSI only, extras a plus.
Post by: mun2912 on Thu, 28 May 2015, 11:02:03
Post by: hermith on Tue, 02 June 2015, 08:07:02
(http://i.imgur.com/K6jsnOR.jpg)
Oh well. :)
Edit: Oh yeah, on the Norwegian layout the tilde key (next to 1) is "|" and "", but that key was lacking even in the design part, and no one caught it! :P
Post by: hermith on Thu, 04 June 2015, 07:31:09
(http://i.imgur.com/seIqBFe.png)
Normal with alt-gradient on the left. Stock base kit on the right.
tl;dr: I need to buy the F5, F6 and F7 from the gradient kit.
Post by: goflo on Thu, 04 June 2015, 12:37:07
Anyone got some spares he wants to sell?
I would need 3x green/blue (I think VBV was the color code) , 1x red, 1x orange and 2x brown.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 04 June 2015, 19:09:46
Any chance to get some 1u keys extra?
Anyone got some spares he wants to sell?
I would need 3x green/blue (I think VBV was the color code) , 1x red, 1x orange and 2x brown.
I've got you covered...PM sent
Post by: hermith on Mon, 08 June 2015, 08:25:56
(http://i.imgur.com/4u5sLAb.jpg)
Album here (https://imgur.com/a/G5f3P).
I need a few keys though, so if anyone has any of these, I'd like to buy them:
From the Alternate Gradient Kit (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-alternate-gradient-kit/):
- F5
- F6
- F7
From the Color kit (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-color-kit/):
- 1u Red "1976" key
- 1u Brown "1976" key (not important)
If you want I can also trade away stuff from the Nordic/Slavic set that I'm not using.
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 08 June 2015, 16:47:24
If you missed the group buy, here is your chance.
Post by: HapticBovinator on Tue, 09 June 2015, 13:34:19
1976 is now available via the PMK Keyshop (http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/products/full-keysets/1976-keycap-set)
If you missed the group buy, here is your chance.
Nice! Just put in my order for the base tkl set, alternate gradient kit, and mac kit.
Is this a fire sale or something? Because I ordered with shipping to Canada, and my total came to ~$115 CAD. PMK was going to charge me ~$40 USD I believe for shipping to Canada for the group buy, so I don't know how this came out to so much less.
EDIT: (I remember the GB price being > $150 CAD for what I wanted)
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 09 June 2015, 15:15:18
1976 is now available via the PMK Keyshop (http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/products/full-keysets/1976-keycap-set)
If you missed the group buy, here is your chance.
Nice! Just put in my order for the base tkl set, alternate gradient kit, and mac kit.
Is this a fire sale or something? Because I ordered with shipping to Canada, and my total came to ~$115 CAD. PMK was going to charge me ~$40 USD I believe for shipping to Canada for the group buy, so I don't know how this came out to so much less.
EDIT: (I remember the GB price being > $150 CAD for what I wanted)
Actually the prices are higher than in the group buy. PMK was terrible with estimating shipping charges, so I imagine that is the reason.
Post by: kittykatmax on Sat, 20 June 2015, 10:25:41
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 20 June 2015, 16:45:00
So, I finally got around to putting the rest of the keycaps on a keyboard (had only done my number pad), and was sad to discover that some of the larger keys have obvious "swirls" and/or indentations to the plastic. Is this normal?Doesn't sound normal, but these things are a bit subjective...
Could you provide some photos?
Post by: Jolikki on Sun, 08 November 2015, 16:38:45
I just hydrodipped my shine3 :)
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 08 November 2015, 18:50:17
Post by: Jolikki on Sun, 08 November 2015, 23:38:53
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 09 November 2015, 07:24:19
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kQ3rUUr.jpg)
I just hydrodipped my shine3 :)
Great job!
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 November 2015, 07:51:05
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 November 2015, 08:07:27
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kQ3rUUr.jpg)
I just hydrodipped my shine3 :)
The problem with a nice wood case like that is that my wife may be tempted to use it to chop things at the kitchen. :p
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 09 November 2015, 10:42:00
Post by: Phillipj06 on Fri, 20 November 2015, 21:28:07
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 21 November 2015, 07:11:31
I have been trying to get this set. Any chance there will be another GB for it.Yes, one way or another, there will be more 1976 in the near future. I am working on it now.
Post by: chim_nhon on Sat, 21 November 2015, 07:53:30
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 21 November 2015, 08:32:19
Is there any chance to get Tsagan kit for 1976, I'm looking for a set ;)No currently, but I hope to change that.
Post by: swill on Sat, 21 November 2015, 13:45:18
Is a brown 1.75u shift key in our future? I still haven't used this set because I am missing that key. Timeline?I have been trying to get this set. Any chance there will be another GB for it.Yes, one way or another, there will be more 1976 in the near future. I am working on it now.
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 21 November 2015, 15:16:17
Is a brown 1.75u shift key in our future? I still haven't used this set because I am missing that key. Timeline?I have been trying to get this set. Any chance there will be another GB for it.Yes, one way or another, there will be more 1976 in the near future. I am working on it now.
Yes dear friend...your patience shall be rewarded :thumb:
Post by: trizkut on Sat, 21 November 2015, 15:34:46
Is a brown 1.75u shift key in our future? I still haven't used this set because I am missing that key. Timeline?I have been trying to get this set. Any chance there will be another GB for it.Yes, one way or another, there will be more 1976 in the near future. I am working on it now.
Yes dear friend...your patience shall be rewarded :thumb:
Dyn-o-mite! :thumb:
Post by: mashby on Fri, 04 December 2015, 17:25:56
(http://l.mashby.com/1h0qT+)
It's called Dactyl and you can find more here (https://github.com/adereth/dactyl-keyboard).
Post by: kwadhera on Sat, 05 December 2015, 18:32:38
Next time you do this, I'm in!
Also, was wondering if you tried shifting the colors over or "extending" the bright colored part and lessening the brown (so it's brighter like the ergodox), was that not very appealing?
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 06 December 2015, 22:19:44
:thumb:
Next time you do this, I'm in!
Also, was wondering if you tried shifting the colors over or "extending" the bright colored part and lessening the brown (so it's brighter like the ergodox), was that not very appealing?
You mean like this?
(http://i.imgur.com/MYs1Q75.jpg?1)
Post by: swill on Sun, 06 December 2015, 22:27:29
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 07 December 2015, 08:34:00
I am still looking forward for the short right shift in brown. :P Is that in the plans any time soon engicoder?Round 2 will definitely cover that!!
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 07 December 2015, 14:23:30
Post by: kwadhera on Mon, 07 December 2015, 19:32:54
:thumb:
Next time you do this, I'm in!
Also, was wondering if you tried shifting the colors over or "extending" the bright colored part and lessening the brown (so it's brighter like the ergodox), was that not very appealing?
You mean like this?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MYs1Q75.jpg?1)
Sort of, but I realize now that the spacebar really would screw something like that up since it's one color
Post by: pattulus on Fri, 22 January 2016, 22:58:15
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 22 January 2016, 23:30:09
[attachimg=1]
Post by: Zorox on Sat, 23 January 2016, 05:11:48
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sat, 23 January 2016, 09:23:44
Post by: fliptrik on Sat, 23 January 2016, 09:33:06
Post by: sleepimonster on Sat, 23 January 2016, 11:11:10
Round 2 is coming.Sir, Which profile will it gonna be applied?
(Attachment Link)
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 23 January 2016, 11:59:14
Post by: Oxid on Sat, 23 January 2016, 13:15:31
Post by: pattulus on Sat, 23 January 2016, 13:21:43
Post by: sherryton on Sat, 23 January 2016, 13:50:45
There's a sneak peek of 1976 in there at around 1 minute!
Post by: atectatifern on Sat, 23 January 2016, 14:11:40
I second that: Give us SA ;DThirded. Typing my beg for fully sculpted on row 3 1976 right now!
Post by: Willyc277 on Sat, 23 January 2016, 15:33:57
Can't wait for round 2!
Post by: Pinecone on Sat, 23 January 2016, 16:56:21
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 23 January 2016, 16:59:24
DSA please! We have enough SA sets but not enough DSA :(
Yuk, there aren't that many DSA sets for a reason.
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 23 January 2016, 20:25:53
Post by: lukynumbrkevin on Sat, 23 January 2016, 21:02:48
Round 2 is coming.
(Attachment Link)
This is awesome news! Will this round be fully sculpted by any chance?
Post by: bocahgundul on Sat, 23 January 2016, 21:16:24
YES ANOTHER ROUND WITH FULL SCULPTED PERFECT!!Round 2 is coming.
(Attachment Link)
This is awesome news! Will this round be fully sculpted by any chance?
Post by: mrboovn on Sat, 23 January 2016, 21:56:39
Sorry. I had one DSA set and sold it. It will be SA again. Its the 70's, keycaps were tall and thick.Yeah :thumb:
Post by: mun2912 on Sat, 23 January 2016, 22:18:44
Sorry. I had one DSA set and sold it. It will be SA again. Its the 70's, keycaps were tall and thick.sorry to ask you again, i just want to know if it is full sculpt or SA row 3. Thank you a lot for making the round 2 :D
Post by: Pinecone on Sun, 24 January 2016, 05:15:19
Yuk, there aren't that many DSA sets for a reason.
Sorry. I had one DSA set and sold it. It will be SA again. Its the 70's, keycaps were tall and thick.
So much DSA hate :'(
Still nice that this set is getting R2 though, so can't really complain! :))
How much was the base kit in R1, and will R2's prices increase or remain the same?
Post by: Brammm87 on Sun, 24 January 2016, 11:08:09
Post by: RominRonin on Sun, 24 January 2016, 12:49:52
Post by: TheWhiteAndTheBlue on Thu, 25 February 2016, 17:12:38
Post by: TheWhiteAndTheBlue on Tue, 01 March 2016, 10:42:18
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/nineteenseventysix-sa-keycap-set (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/nineteenseventysix-sa-keycap-set)
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 01 March 2016, 11:08:05
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/nineteenseventysix-sa-keycap-set?mode=guest_open
Post by: Chewypost on Tue, 01 March 2016, 21:41:51
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 01 March 2016, 23:25:15
The very last photo on the massdrop page shows the keycaps and their stems, but it looks like the black and yellow caps aren't doubleshot. Is that just me or is there a reason for that?
The guys at massdrop threw some blanks in there, not sure why. All caps with legends are double shot.
Post by: captsis on Wed, 02 March 2016, 01:04:09
And does this keyset support HHKB layout?
Post by: Jumie on Wed, 02 March 2016, 05:33:46
Should I get it? or should i wait for Carbon?
And does this keyset support HHKB layout?
I'll say get it.. Carbon round 2 will not start soon enough..
Post by: TheWhiteAndTheBlue on Fri, 26 August 2016, 09:02:31
(http://i.imgur.com/EnGAU93.jpg)
Post by: jaynoon on Fri, 26 August 2016, 19:02:52
Post by: UrQuanMaster on Tue, 27 December 2016, 12:30:12
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