Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 09:15:58
Orders will close 15 MAR 2015. Payment deadline will be 2 weeks after.
CANCELLED
FULL SET €99 / $113
(http://i.imgur.com/wAwIzlI.png)
MODS PACK €49 / $56
(http://i.imgur.com/V2XyurS.png)
COLOR PACK €28 / $32
(http://i.imgur.com/tWRIxVK.png)
Additional spacebars €4 / $6
one each 6.25 and 7 units in a random color
Groupbuy for GMK doubleshots. Each option has a minimum order amount of 250 units. USD pricing subject to change based on current EUR exchange rate at invoice time. All orders will be invoice in USD and payable in USD. Buyer will be responsible for payment of goods, shipping costs, for all paypal fees, and an additional $5 groupbuy fee. All orders will be sent via USPS. Shipping fees will vary based on what is ordered and it's destination. I will not be liable for uninsured/nontrackable orders damaged or lost during shipping. International orders with insurance/tracking sent via EMS advised for any large orders.
By placing an order you agree to these terms.
Count: (12 MAR)
Full sets - 120
Mod sets - 175
Color pack - 86
Spacebars - 510
Post by: Hzza on Fri, 05 December 2014, 09:24:39
Post by: bianco on Fri, 05 December 2014, 09:29:52
Post by: whentheclouds on Fri, 05 December 2014, 09:30:24
Post by: quochung1989 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 09:30:33
Post by: Rodgaroon on Fri, 05 December 2014, 09:40:18
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 09:47:14
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:06:54
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:07:11
I am also a little sad that the ISO R4 alpha key is blank now. I prefer any legend over a blank key (like you did it in your Dolch Set).
One more question:
Will the numpad Enter key look exactly like this? Are there any real life pics of a similar key? Judging by the mockup I strongly prefer the numpad Enter key from the Mod Pack.
Post by: moda38 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:09:53
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:12:42
Post by: Battou62 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:25:12
Sorry about the higher prices, having presort and plastic tray package from GMK adds a bit. Groupbuy fee is also a little more to help cover additional costs of using boxes for shipping instead of bubble mailers.
This needed to be done, and is a good idea imo. This will cut down on people receiving sets with missing/scratched keys. It will also save Ivan a good chunk of time I would imagine.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:27:54
Ordered.
Post by: quochung1989 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:33:23
Post by: bueller on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:37:52
Post by: duzeyao on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:47:32
IVAN thx for dis!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 10:52:51
Yes the numpad enter key will look just like that, it was used on the boards produced for Amiga.
Inspiration was pulled from the following:
Cherry G80-0312
(http://i.imgur.com/o4BjD.jpg)
Commodore G80-0499
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/0e30fc6f.jpg)
NCR G80-0528
(http://utensilia.tk/urzadzenia/ncr_3299-k420-v002/1.jpg)
Amiga G80-0777
(http://i.imgur.com/VfBVXv9.jpg)
Cherry DEC clone
(http://i.imgur.com/I2qpug6.jpg)
Adler Dario
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/10313)
Take some layout, legends, and colorways from here and there and blended it all together to make something 'new' instead of doing a straight up repro.
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 05 December 2014, 11:04:42
I am not a big fan of some of the legend choices, but maybe it will grow on me.
Ordered one of everything :)
Post by: duzeyao on Fri, 05 December 2014, 11:16:14
Base set is based on the FIRST MX model, the G80-0312 and therefore has the original bitshift international layout. There is a '@ or |\ key to use in place of ~` depending if you are using ANSI or ISO configuration... or in case of HHKB style some may use both.
Yes the numpad enter key will look just like that, it was used on the boards produced for Amiga.
Inspiration was pulled from the following:
Cherry G80-0312Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o4BjD.jpg)
Commodore G80-0499Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/0e30fc6f.jpg)
NCR G80-0528Show Image(http://utensilia.tk/urzadzenia/ncr_3299-k420-v002/1.jpg)
Amiga G80-0777Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VfBVXv9.jpg)
Cherry DEC cloneShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/I2qpug6.jpg)
Adler DarioShow Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/10313)
Take some layout, legends, and colorways from here and there and blended it all together to make something 'new' instead of doing a straight up repro.
thx for the great example pictures!
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 05 December 2014, 11:50:21
Looks good dude. I'm low on $$$ right now, but I might place an order after Christmas, depending how much holiday mon-ay I get.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Fri, 05 December 2014, 11:58:46
The main reason I'm getting this set is to mix with classic beige to get complete BoW set for all possible layout so that's why I'm asking.
Post by: cooldiscretion on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:04:08
Sorry about the higher prices, having presort and plastic tray package from GMK adds a bit. Groupbuy fee is also a little more to help cover additional costs of using boxes for shipping instead of bubble mailers.
Honestly, there is no reason why you should have to sort all that stuff yourself. I'm definitely okay with paying a little extra for pre-sort and getting boxes seems like a great idea too.
I put in my order. Has anyone at GH ever done a reproduction of the reverse beige? This will be a very unique set for sure.
Post by: bazh on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:06:49
And why are there another |\ key in the mod pack?
Damn this' kind of quick, do we have a deadline for payment already? :(
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:10:11
The color pack doesn't hit me much :(
And why are there another |\ key in the mod pack?
Damn this' kind of quick, do we have a deadline for payment already? :(
Orders close Jan. 5, so I'd assume a week after that, the 12th.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:12:08
I have ~` and |\ keys in the mods pack, as some people may wish those to match their mods for a different aesthetic on existing white/beige sets, or to adapt non US sets to ANSI boards... etc.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:15:39
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:18:43
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:42:52
Only question I got is about spacebar , one pack is a 6.25u + 7u in a color we can't chose ?
Post by: renne on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:43:04
Post by: yicaoyimu on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:43:38
Post by: geogga on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:44:30
Post by: bazh on Fri, 05 December 2014, 12:54:17
but other keys legends choice is interesting, I love the Return
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:17:34
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:20:21
(http://i.imgur.com/sXAxyeY.jpg)
In which I asked for colors other than what we had last time, so perhaps some things like CP, U9, N7, UN5046, 3B, 3C, V1, V4. You would get one of each size in what ever colors we end up with.
While there used to be some other legends in F profile, they have been lost so all that is left now is Fnumbers and these circled numbers. We make due with what is available. I don't think it should be too bad on most boards since they are separated sections. If you like, there are some blank F profile you can use instead. Or, you could do something like F profile 1-4 and E profile blanks for the rest or...
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:24:54
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:28:14
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:29:16
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:40:36
Sorry if my wording is a bit unclear.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:49:43
Wait so can you clarify something, if you order space bars for $6 you get two space bars (1x 6.25 and 1x 7u) in 2 random colors? Or will a single color be decided on by GMK and all of them will be that one color? Or will each space bar be a different color and you just get 1 of each size?
Sorry if my wording is a bit unclear.
there will be a few random colors
it'll be like the last one, but with different colors
in other words, 1 6.25x and one 7x each in a different color
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:56:34
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 December 2014, 14:03:42
Right, one of each size spacebar and each order could be any color(s). Last time we had several colors and I filled the orders with as many different colors as I could for those that ordered multiples until I ran out of that color. Some colors we had many of, some not very many of so some orders were not as diverse as others.
Wait so can you clarify something, if you order space bars for $6 you get two space bars (1x 6.25 and 1x 7u) in 2 random colors? Or will a single color be decided on by GMK and all of them will be that one color? Or will each space bar be a different color and you just get 1 of each size?
Sorry if my wording is a bit unclear.
there will be a few random colors
it'll be like the last one, but with different colors
in other words, 1 6.25x and one 7x each in a different color
Right, one of each size spacebar and each order could be any color(s). Last time we had several colors and I filled the orders with as many different colors as I could for those that ordered multiples until I ran out of that color. Some colors we had many of, some not very many of so some orders were not as diverse as others.
Awesome. Thank you for the clarification!
Now. Ivan what's the best way to edit my order? ;D
Post by: aicrono on Fri, 05 December 2014, 14:04:31
Or, Ivan, would it be possible to get a few extra 1.5x blanks added on my order? I probably should have asked this before I put in my order.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 14:23:57
ORDER EDITS: If you save the link you are given at the end you 'should' be able to change it any time. If not, just PM me and ask for whichever changes.
Post by: aicrono on Fri, 05 December 2014, 14:25:51
Sorry no. Sets will come presorted as shown. Between the base sets and the mods add on, I am sure you will be able to get what you need off others that won't need them for anything.
ORDER EDITS: If you save the link you are given at the end you 'should' be able to change it any time. If not, just PM me and ask for whichever changes.
Ah, I assumed that was going to be the case but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. Thanks for the reply.
Post by: swornxin on Fri, 05 December 2014, 15:43:03
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 15:44:35
Post by: blighty on Fri, 05 December 2014, 15:49:24
Post by: Yslen on Fri, 05 December 2014, 16:07:59
Post by: Karura on Fri, 05 December 2014, 16:22:36
Are we getting GMK to sort for us this time around?
Also do you know what colour would match the BSP white sets (for space bar)?
Post by: cooldiscretion on Fri, 05 December 2014, 16:48:57
Right, one of each size spacebar and each order could be any color(s). Last time we had several colors and I filled the orders with as many different colors as I could for those that ordered multiples until I ran out of that color. Some colors we had many of, some not very many of so some orders were not as diverse as others.
Does this mean that if you order the base set you get the standard spacebar and if you order the additional spacebars you will get the other colors?
What if we would also like a spare of the standard spacebar color? I may already have to edit my order to add more spacebars.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 05 December 2014, 16:58:13
Will for sure get the Mod & Color packs. Still not sure about the full set.
I know it's supposed to be the "original bitshift international layout", but since I still don't have the number row memorized those symbols would drive me crazy.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 December 2014, 16:59:23
I don't have any BSP stuff, but closest matching GMK color to my original HASRO PBT dyesubs is CP which isn't perfect. Same as above can go for that color.
You could always load up a custom keymap that matches the legends ;)
Post by: TheMoonUnderWater on Fri, 05 December 2014, 17:00:36
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 19:03:11
It's a bit frustrating to finally see a GMK set with HHKB support only to see that we've lost *normal-layout* support. I will think long and hard about this and if I decide not to get the base set I will probably still get the mod pack and/or the color pack.What's considered "normal-layout" support?
Is the hhkb support off?
Post by: renne on Fri, 05 December 2014, 19:20:40
How many colors in total will you have? (so that we will know the minimum number of spacebar add-ons to pick)
And what about adding a color-matched esc to the mods set?
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 December 2014, 19:51:46
It's a bit frustrating to finally see a GMK set with HHKB support only to see that we've lost *normal-layout* support. I will think long and hard about this and if I decide not to get the base set I will probably still get the mod pack and/or the color pack.What's considered "normal-layout" support?
Is the hhkb support off?
There is HHKB layout support! Rejoice!
Post by: Malicium on Fri, 05 December 2014, 19:53:06
In for the color pack ;)
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 05 December 2014, 20:40:26
And what about adding a color-matched esc to the mods set?
Didn't even notice the esc until I read this.
Post by: HebrewHammer on Fri, 05 December 2014, 20:53:23
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 21:36:48
Man, I was saving for a new Magic deck. But damn is this set awesome! :-\
People really play Magic? Interesting.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 05 December 2014, 21:51:14
Sir, will 6.25x spacebar and 7x spacebar come with the same color?
How many colors in total will you have? (so that we will know the minimum number of spacebar add-ons to pick)
no
don't know yet, you won't get one of everything no matter how many you order, i ordered 4
Man, I was saving for a new Magic deck. But damn is this set awesome! :-\
People really play Magic? Interesting.
it's fun, you should try it
Post by: lightsout714 on Fri, 05 December 2014, 22:19:11
Sir, will 6.25x spacebar and 7x spacebar come with the same color?
How many colors in total will you have? (so that we will know the minimum number of spacebar add-ons to pick)
no
don't know yet, you won't get one of everything no matter how many you order, i ordered 4Man, I was saving for a new Magic deck. But damn is this set awesome! :-\
People really play Magic? Interesting.
it's fun, you should try it
Hmmm, maybe I will.
Post by: findingthelimit on Sat, 06 December 2014, 03:17:25
Post by: findingthelimit on Sat, 06 December 2014, 03:17:47
Post by: findingthelimit on Sat, 06 December 2014, 03:18:13
Sir, will 6.25x spacebar and 7x spacebar come with the same color?
How many colors in total will you have? (so that we will know the minimum number of spacebar add-ons to pick)
no
don't know yet, you won't get one of everything no matter how many you order, i ordered 4
What do you mean, he wouldn't get one of everything no matter how many he orders?
Post by: renne on Sat, 06 December 2014, 04:48:29
HmmmmSir, will 6.25x spacebar and 7x spacebar come with the same color?
How many colors in total will you have? (so that we will know the minimum number of spacebar add-ons to pick)
no
don't know yet, you won't get one of everything no matter how many you order, i ordered 4
Post by: bueller on Sat, 06 December 2014, 06:00:44
There may be some available that match the spacebars in the full set but again they'd probably be using leftover granular so there is no way of knowing how many.
Post by: Orca on Sat, 06 December 2014, 09:52:36
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 06 December 2014, 09:59:44
I am salivating here!
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 06 December 2014, 10:09:17
Another great buy Ivan, well done.
Post by: limitz on Sat, 06 December 2014, 11:40:59
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 06 December 2014, 11:48:41
These are GMK dyesubs right?
No, GMK caps are always doubleshot.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 06 December 2014, 11:57:05
Sir, will 6.25x spacebar and 7x spacebar come with the same color?
How many colors in total will you have? (so that we will know the minimum number of spacebar add-ons to pick)
no
don't know yet, you won't get one of everything no matter how many you order, i ordered 4
What do you mean, he wouldn't get one of everything no matter how many he orders?
As in you won't get one of every color. There was a majority of certain colors last time. Cyan and pink 6.25x spacebars had like 150 a pop, then white and black had like 25 each.
These are GMK dyesubs right?
No, GMK caps are always doubleshot.
++
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 06 December 2014, 13:24:19
Regarding the Esc key in the mods pack... it was done on purpose with different color. Consider it as a novelty key bonus item.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Sat, 06 December 2014, 13:27:27
Ivan will probably be sorting the spacebars but he has no control over the amount made in each color, he can only ask for a total number in each size. The reason for this is because they agreed to use leftover plastic to make them up, that's why we're not required to meet MOQ on them.
There may be some available that match the spacebars in the full set but again they'd probably be using leftover granular so there is no way of knowing how many.
That makes a lot more sense now. Thanks for the explaination.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 06 December 2014, 15:17:27
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 06 December 2014, 15:23:05
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 06 December 2014, 15:36:13
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 06 December 2014, 15:49:58
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 06 December 2014, 16:02:17
I am really curious how we progress :)
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 06 December 2014, 16:39:42
Will probably add a bunch of space bars later....
Post by: mason on Sat, 06 December 2014, 17:58:22
Post by: GSimon on Sun, 07 December 2014, 01:38:24
A few things.
Also, any chance of adding a yellow Esc key with orange legends?
Lastly any particular reason for having the color pack start keys says 'start' rather than the windows logo? Would prefer the logo is all..
Post by: findingthelimit on Sun, 07 December 2014, 01:58:13
So tempting..
A few things.Why is the legend color for the Esc a lighter grey than the rest of the Mod Pack's?
Also, any chance of adding a yellow Esc key with orange legends?
Lastly any particular reason for having the color pack start keys says 'start' rather than the windows logo? Would prefer the logo is all..
Within the color pack, I'm only interested in the "start" buttons. If you would like to buy the color pack and sell me just the start buttons, I'll be more than happy to split the cost with you!
Post by: GSimon on Sun, 07 December 2014, 02:01:10
Within the color pack, I'm only interested in the "start" buttons. If you would like to buy the color pack and sell me just the start buttons, I'll be more than happy to split the cost with you!
Thanks though I'd still want those start keys over not having em. The rest of the GMK mods are text so it's not too odd I guess.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sun, 07 December 2014, 05:58:06
Post by: tjweir on Sun, 07 December 2014, 06:35:26
Within the color pack, I'm only interested in the "start" buttons. If you would like to buy the color pack and sell me just the start buttons, I'll be more than happy to split the cost with you!
You can buy my start keys. I have no boards with 1.25u and I have no windows machines.
Post by: calavera on Sun, 07 December 2014, 06:35:49
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 07 December 2014, 15:28:33
Post by: findingthelimit on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:08:33
Within the color pack, I'm only interested in the "start" buttons. If you would like to buy the color pack and sell me just the start buttons, I'll be more than happy to split the cost with you!
You can buy my start keys. I have no boards with 1.25u and I have no windows machines.
Thank you!! I'll pay $10 for them shipped?
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 07 December 2014, 21:49:52
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 07 December 2014, 22:00:11
LOVE the colours, even though you're using Gatsie's Sh1te Logo it still is a superb rendition of 1985 and I need this one badly. I was lucky because someone here notified me via PM to your Group Buy which I have to thank because I would of went into 2015 without ever knowing anything about this special kit.
I sure hope this one goes through to the factory in the new year, have some keyboards that would be elevated beyond stylish, with these installed.
Post by: Synjin on Sun, 07 December 2014, 22:55:15
Ivan, you've moistened my loins yet again with this fantastic all GMK GB :thumb: .
LOVE the colours, even though you're using Gatsie's Sh1te Logo it still is a superb rendition of 1985 and I need this one badly. I was lucky because someone here notified me via PM to your Group Buy which I have to thank because I would of went into 2015 without ever knowing anything about this special kit.
I sure hope this one goes through to the factory in the new year, have some keyboards that would be elevated beyond stylish, with these installed.
You are most welcome Elrick ^_^ :thumb:
Post by: Karura on Sun, 07 December 2014, 23:52:29
I'm not sure if it's too late to request something, but would it be possible to add:
1x R2 1u "-" key
1x R3 1u "+" key
So I can actually do a full 1800 layout with a BSP set :)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HRH8e9YQF_Q/UuxeHuskYfI/AAAAAAAAMiI/W7q804QX6Jg/s1600/2014_02_01_113548.JPG)
Hope it's possible, just two extra keys!
Post by: bueller on Sun, 07 December 2014, 23:59:36
Ivan, I just realized something, the modpack does not include 1800 layout keys!
I'm not sure if it's too late to request something, but would it be possible to add:
1x R2 1u "-" key
1x R3 1u "+" key
So I can actually do a full 1800 layout with a BSP set :)Show Image(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HRH8e9YQF_Q/UuxeHuskYfI/AAAAAAAAMiI/W7q804QX6Jg/s1600/2014_02_01_113548.JPG)
Hope it's possible, just two extra keys!
What's the point? Those boards are already readily available with beige double-shots. Sorry I know it might only be two caps but that's what everyone says, if Ivan adds caps every time someone requests it these sets will cost a fortune.
Post by: Karura on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:07:43
Ivan, I just realized something, the modpack does not include 1800 layout keys!
I'm not sure if it's too late to request something, but would it be possible to add:
1x R2 1u "-" key
1x R3 1u "+" key
So I can actually do a full 1800 layout with a BSP set :)
Hope it's possible, just two extra keys!
What's the point? Those boards are already readily available with beige double-shots. Sorry I know it might only be two caps but that's what everyone says, if Ivan adds caps every time someone requests it these sets will cost a fortune.
Well, the point of it would be so that a full G8X-1800 layout can be achieved, using a BSP set.
That said, I understand your concerns, and it is definitely not something everyone would want, and would add costs.
Personally, I would be using them to use a BSP set for a Lightsaver layout, so I can squeeze an extra key in there, while having a complete/authentic G8X-1800 layout
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53942.0;attach=71791;image)
(This one is missing the proper arrow key layout, but the numpad is the focus! Also the + and - key locations are wrong, should be swapped)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3709/12515335004_b0191d0691_b.jpg)
While Cherry G8X-1800 will already have these keys, I assume that a large number of people will be using the mod pack with BSP Cyrillic, Peacock, Olivetti, etc sets, and would appreciate having these two extra keys.
I feel that the purpose of this mod pack is to allow people to complete BSP sets, and to an extent, it already includes enough keys to covers 99% of what people would want to use it with, the 1% missing being the 1800 layout.
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:23:44
Ivan, I just realized something, the modpack does not include 1800 layout keys!
I'm not sure if it's too late to request something, but would it be possible to add:
1x R2 1u "-" key
1x R3 1u "+" key
So I can actually do a full 1800 layout with a BSP set :)Show Image(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HRH8e9YQF_Q/UuxeHuskYfI/AAAAAAAAMiI/W7q804QX6Jg/s1600/2014_02_01_113548.JPG)
Hope it's possible, just two extra keys!
What's the point? Those boards are already readily available with beige double-shots. Sorry I know it might only be two caps but that's what everyone says, if Ivan adds caps every time someone requests it these sets will cost a fortune.
Instead of including all those blank caps (useless imo) and add some of those that people actually want? Especially those blank windowed caps..:S
Any chance to include windowed caps at all (caps lock, scroll, numlock, etc)?
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:28:57
Well, the point of it would be so that a full G8X-1800 layout can be achieved, using a BSP set.This GB is not for BSP keys. It is for GMK doubleshot keys, which are basically identical to Cherry doubleshots from 1800s.
That said, I understand your concerns, and it is definitely not something everyone would want, and would add costs.
Personally, I would be using them to use a BSP set for a Lightsaver layout, so I can squeeze an extra key in there, while having a complete/authentic G8X-1800 layoutShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53942.0;attach=71791;image)
(This one is missing the proper arrow key layout, but the numpad is the focus! Also the + and - key locations are wrong, should be swapped)Show Image(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3709/12515335004_b0191d0691_b.jpg)
While Cherry G8X-1800 will already have these keys, I assume that a large number of people will be using the mod pack with BSP Cyrillic, Peacock, Olivetti, etc sets, and would appreciate having these two extra keys.
I feel that the purpose of this mod pack is to allow people to complete BSP sets, and to an extent, it already includes enough keys to covers 99% of what people would want to use it with, the 1% missing being the 1800 layout.
Post by: Karura on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:31:46
Well, the point of it would be so that a full G8X-1800 layout can be achieved, using a BSP set.This GB is not for BSP keys. It is for GMK doubleshot keys, which are basically identical to Cherry doubleshots from 1800s.
That said, I understand your concerns, and it is definitely not something everyone would want, and would add costs.
Personally, I would be using them to use a BSP set for a Lightsaver layout, so I can squeeze an extra key in there, while having a complete/authentic G8X-1800 layoutShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53942.0;attach=71791;image)
(This one is missing the proper arrow key layout, but the numpad is the focus! Also the + and - key locations are wrong, should be swapped)Show Image(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3709/12515335004_b0191d0691_b.jpg)
While Cherry G8X-1800 will already have these keys, I assume that a large number of people will be using the mod pack with BSP Cyrillic, Peacock, Olivetti, etc sets, and would appreciate having these two extra keys.
I feel that the purpose of this mod pack is to allow people to complete BSP sets, and to an extent, it already includes enough keys to covers 99% of what people would want to use it with, the 1% missing being the 1800 layout.
Yeah I know what they are :P
I will be mixing BSP PBT and GMK ABS (I care more about profile than about feels) sets haha... no idea how it'll turn out, but that's the plan :)
Just wanting to get the correct legends and profiles.
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:35:58
Post by: bueller on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:39:05
Ivan, I just realized something, the modpack does not include 1800 layout keys!
I'm not sure if it's too late to request something, but would it be possible to add:
1x R2 1u "-" key
1x R3 1u "+" key
So I can actually do a full 1800 layout with a BSP set :)Show Image(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HRH8e9YQF_Q/UuxeHuskYfI/AAAAAAAAMiI/W7q804QX6Jg/s1600/2014_02_01_113548.JPG)
Hope it's possible, just two extra keys!
What's the point? Those boards are already readily available with beige double-shots. Sorry I know it might only be two caps but that's what everyone says, if Ivan adds caps every time someone requests it these sets will cost a fortune.
Instead of including all those blank caps (useless imo) and add some of those that people actually want? Especially those blank windowed caps..:S
Any chance to include windowed caps at all (caps lock, scroll, numlock, etc)?
Blanks are really cheap to add on from what I recall, adding extra double-shots not so much. I know people want to fulfill all sorts of requirements but at the end of the day the vast majority of people buying the mod pack are just going to pick up an 1800 off ebay, pull the alphas and then ditch the rest of the board.
Post by: Karura on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:44:08
What I'm saying is.. You could achieve the same result with a Cherry 1800 set, since the keys are identical to GMK ones.
I agree with you that this would be a possible solution.
I just wish I could find a G80-1800 set in classic beige on Taobao, ebay and places, but unfortunately Cherry switched to this stark-white colour scheme (CP or UN0001 for every keycap) for their -1800 boards, and I haven't had much luck locating an old one.
Just thought I'd voice my request and thoughts on why it would be nice to include these two keys, for the sake of completion.
Like I already mentioned, the set already has a lot of keys, and it is good for almost every layout, and I really look forward to its actualization. Definitely a must-buy for anyone who wants to use their BSP set for a HHKB layout or something.
P.S. If you happen to know where I could pick up a G8X-1800 in classic beige with thick caps, do let me know :)
Post by: bueller on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:46:11
P.S. If you happen to know where I could pick up a G8X-1800 in classic beige with thick caps, do let me know :)
BAM!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.26.5sQ7ki&id=16620743597&ns=1&abbucket=15#detail
Post by: Karura on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:48:36
P.S. If you happen to know where I could pick up a G8X-1800 in classic beige with thick caps, do let me know :)
BAM!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.26.5sQ7ki&id=16620743597&ns=1&abbucket=15#detail
WELL THEN... thank you! :)
That said, it will cost a lot more for someone that wants just these two extra caps, so I feel that if there is enough interest, maybe we can still add these two keys, rather than to have to buy the whole keyset.
I am not completely sure, but it might not actually affect the price of the pack too much for two additional caps if we already have so many.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 08 December 2014, 00:49:28
P.S. If you happen to know where I could pick up a G8X-1800 in classic beige with thick caps, do let me know :)
BAM!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.26.5sQ7ki&id=16620743597&ns=1&abbucket=15#detail
WELL THEN... thank you! :)
No worries mate, I spend wayyyy too much time there so my TaoBao fu is strong :)
Post by: Karura on Mon, 08 December 2014, 01:04:50
P.S. If you happen to know where I could pick up a G8X-1800 in classic beige with thick caps, do let me know :)
BAM!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.26.5sQ7ki&id=16620743597&ns=1&abbucket=15#detail
WELL THEN... thank you! :)
No worries mate, I spend wayyyy too much time there so my TaoBao fu is strong :)
Buying the set from Taobao is a solution, but at a cost of $50+ for two keys.
Ivan's mod pack already includes a lot of unusual keys, which I believe is for the sake of completing layouts (it can do HHKB/Viper, convert ISO to ANSI, ANSI to ISO, and a lot more), so it's not that strange to have the 1800 keys. Would we consider adding two more keys (for a small amount of money), for the sake of completion and having yet another option?
Post by: naasfu on Mon, 08 December 2014, 05:57:20
Post by: Signature on Mon, 08 December 2014, 06:18:15
What keys are you looking for? I'm interested in buying the set tooP.S. If you happen to know where I could pick up a G8X-1800 in classic beige with thick caps, do let me know :)
BAM!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.26.5sQ7ki&id=16620743597&ns=1&abbucket=15#detail
WELL THEN... thank you! :)
No worries mate, I spend wayyyy too much time there so my TaoBao fu is strong :)
Buying the set from Taobao is a solution, but at a cost of $50+ for two keys.
Ivan's mod pack already includes a lot of unusual keys, which I believe is for the sake of completing layouts (it can do HHKB/Viper, convert ISO to ANSI, ANSI to ISO, and a lot more), so it's not that strange to have the 1800 keys. Would we consider adding two more keys (for a small amount of money), for the sake of completion and having yet another option?
Post by: billnye on Mon, 08 December 2014, 07:24:01
Well, the point of it would be so that a full G8X-1800 layout can be achieved, using a BSP set.This GB is not for BSP keys. It is for GMK doubleshot keys, which are basically identical to Cherry doubleshots from the 1800s.
That said, I understand your concerns, and it is definitely not something everyone would want, and would add costs.
Personally, I would be using them to use a BSP set for a Lightsaver layout, so I can squeeze an extra key in there, while having a complete/authentic G8X-1800 layoutShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53942.0;attach=71791;image)
(This one is missing the proper arrow key layout, but the numpad is the focus! Also the + and - key locations are wrong, should be swapped)Show Image(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3709/12515335004_b0191d0691_b.jpg)
While Cherry G8X-1800 will already have these keys, I assume that a large number of people will be using the mod pack with BSP Cyrillic, Peacock, Olivetti, etc sets, and would appreciate having these two extra keys.
I feel that the purpose of this mod pack is to allow people to complete BSP sets, and to an extent, it already includes enough keys to covers 99% of what people would want to use it with, the 1% missing being the 1800 layout.
I didn't know Cherry boards were that old! :eek: :eek:
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 08 December 2014, 11:28:20
Post by: gameaholic on Mon, 08 December 2014, 13:06:42
Post by: swornxin on Mon, 08 December 2014, 13:11:44
Whoa. I was actually looking for this today. How do you buy this though? Hahaha.P.S. If you happen to know where I could pick up a G8X-1800 in classic beige with thick caps, do let me know :)
BAM!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.26.5sQ7ki&id=16620743597&ns=1&abbucket=15#detail
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 08 December 2014, 13:32:28
Or can we add them when be know which one are produced ?
Post by: admiralvorian on Mon, 08 December 2014, 13:55:37
ordered.
Post by: korrelate on Mon, 08 December 2014, 14:53:10
Sorry about the higher prices, having presort and plastic tray package from GMK adds a bit. Groupbuy fee is also a little more to help cover additional costs of using boxes for shipping instead of bubble mailers.
WHAT!!! ???
Pre sort And Plastic Tray???
Awesome!!!!
Are these plastic trays like EK sells for keycap collections?
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 08 December 2014, 14:56:10
So about the spacebars we have to commit before knowing the colors ?
Or can we add them when be know which one are produced ?
Ivan won't know until after all the keys are produced. There is no way of telling what colors or how many of each he will receive. You need to just pay for a couple sets and wait to be surprised.
Post by: henz on Mon, 08 December 2014, 14:59:39
Post by: korrelate on Mon, 08 December 2014, 15:05:39
I mean seriously:: it takes me like a week to put one set of keys on a single board (I'm slow... LOL) I can only imagine how long it takes to sort out 250+ sets of keys!!
Post by: Limewirelord on Mon, 08 December 2014, 15:15:47
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 08 December 2014, 15:17:37
Post by: Synjin on Mon, 08 December 2014, 15:30:07
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 08 December 2014, 15:32:19
Pre sort And Plastic Tray???
Awesome!!!!
Are these plastic trays like EK sells for keycap collections?
Yes, they are similar to those EK has. They are actually a bit larger which is a good thing or these big groupbuy kits will all the 'extra' keys wouldn't fit inside them :))
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Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 08 December 2014, 15:57:14
Pre sort And Plastic Tray???
Awesome!!!!
Are these plastic trays like EK sells for keycap collections?
Yes, they are similar to those EK has. They are actually a bit larger which is a good thing or these big groupbuy kits will all the 'extra' keys wouldn't fit inside them :))
(Attachment Link)
That is pretty awesome. How much extra they charging us for them? lol
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 08 December 2014, 16:06:34
Pre sort And Plastic Tray???
Awesome!!!!
Are these plastic trays like EK sells for keycap collections?
Yes, they are similar to those EK has. They are actually a bit larger which is a good thing or these big groupbuy kits will all the 'extra' keys wouldn't fit inside them :))
(Attachment Link)
That's very cool. Will the Mod kit and the full set both be coming in these plastic trays?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 08 December 2014, 16:12:15
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 08 December 2014, 17:14:16
Do you think I could order like 10 directly or do they have some insane MOQ as well?
Post by: 3Love on Mon, 08 December 2014, 17:23:10
Post by: D01 on Mon, 08 December 2014, 17:24:43
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 08 December 2014, 19:04:03
He REALLY does not know?Ivan, you've moistened my loins yet again with this fantastic all GMK GB :thumb: .
LOVE the colours, even though you're using Gatsie's Sh1te Logo it still is a superb rendition of 1985 and I need this one badly. I was lucky because someone here notified me via PM to your Group Buy which I have to thank because I would of went into 2015 without ever knowing anything about this special kit.
I sure hope this one goes through to the factory in the new year, have some keyboards that would be elevated beyond stylish, with these installed.
You are most welcome Elrick ^_^ :thumb:
Really?
Wow!
:)
Post by: korrelate on Mon, 08 December 2014, 23:48:09
Post by: kekstee on Tue, 09 December 2014, 04:43:01
Since that Mod set looks extemely sexy to cover all keyboard needs.
Post by: asgeirtj on Tue, 09 December 2014, 04:48:52
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 09 December 2014, 05:55:54
Post by: WinterIsle on Tue, 09 December 2014, 06:05:44
Because this tray is quite long and might get charged of volumetric weight with more cost for international shipping if amount of keycaps are large.
;) Hope we got the different option or can vote on one.
Post by: Geroximo on Tue, 09 December 2014, 06:58:03
so these keycaps are Cherry profile, right?
Is it possible to just buy the modifier keys I need, instead of the whole set?
I also need a 6.25 Spacebar in white. Is this possible? (without buying a trillion spacebars and hoping to get a white one?)
Sorry for the stupid questions, this would be my first GB. I'm so excited :D
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 09 December 2014, 08:28:54
Hi,
so these keycaps are Cherry profile, right?
Is it possible to just buy the modifier keys I need, instead of the whole set?
I also need a 6.25 Spacebar in white. Is this possible? (without buying a trillion spacebars and hoping to get a white one?)
Sorry for the stupid questions, this would be my first GB. I'm so excited :D
Yes, they are Cherry profile.
I doubt you will be able to pick and choose which keys you want. You could find someone to split the cost of a mod pack with. That shouldn't be that hard since the mod pack contains all the standard modifiers so there are likely people who are buying it just for the non-standard mods. With regard to the random spacebar, there will likely be post-GB trade threads so maybe get one or two for trade, although you shouldn't assume any white spacebars will even be produced.
Post by: billnye on Tue, 09 December 2014, 08:30:49
Post by: Hzza on Tue, 09 December 2014, 08:42:16
If anyone is buying the mod pack and doesn't want a R3 Control please let me know! :thumb:That's pretty much the only thing I'm buying it for; that and the 1u backspace.
Post by: billnye on Tue, 09 December 2014, 08:43:08
:'( :'(If anyone is buying the mod pack and doesn't want a R3 Control please let me know! :thumb:That's pretty much the only thing I'm buying it for; that and the 1u backspace.
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 09 December 2014, 09:04:16
If anyone is buying the mod pack and doesn't want a R3 Control please let me know! :thumb:
I'll probably won't need mine .
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 09 December 2014, 10:34:53
Hi Ivan, is it possible to let keycap orders to be pre-sorted in gmk zip bags instead of this plastic tray?
Because this tray is quite long and might get charged of volumetric weight with more cost for international shipping if amount of keycaps are large.
;) Hope we got the different option or can vote on one.
If this is a real problem, I can always move caps from tray to bag myself on case by case basis.
Post by: bazemk1979 on Tue, 09 December 2014, 13:38:17
1. Why we have blanks 1.5? legended ctrl and alt are not enough? ( I understand that the 1.25 blanks are wanted for the people that dislike the win logos)
2. I understand that u want to match this set to whatever old keyboards use to exist, but whats the point when the legends are incorrect to the current keyboards we have?
3. Why extra " Enter" key for the numberbad
4. Why extra " 0 " for the number pad
5. Why 3 extra arrow keys clusters?
6. Why the extra line feed key?
7. The " . " key for the numberpad is also extra ( forgot to circle it in the picture)
After all calculated we are entering close to 160-170 price tag for a set that has fishy legends, F row keys changed with some numbers.... not the typical GMK.... extra duplicate keys for no reason. Thanks for running the GB but if I'm not mistaken u started the Dolch GB overbloated at first with tons of unecesary keys and high prices and the GB went into halt. Its like your building the GMK sets for ur taste only and not considering what other people think.
I would like to hear what iss the opinion of the GH's here about this set. Posting pic of the few issues I have with the set.
Post by: blighty on Tue, 09 December 2014, 14:01:48
Ivan I just placed an order, but here is a few question regarding the set u have put up.
1. Why we have blanks 1.5? legended ctrl and alt are not enough? ( I understand that the 1.25 blanks are wanted for the people that dislike the win logos)
2. I understand that u want to match this set to whatever old keyboards use to exist, but whats the point when the legends are incorrect to the current keyboards we have?
3. Why extra " Enter" key for the numberbad
4. Why extra " 0 " for the number pad
5. Why 3 extra arrow keys clusters?
6. Why the extra line feed key?
7. The " . " key for the numberpad is also extra ( forgot to circle it in the picture)
After all calculated we are entering close to 160-170 price tag for a set that has fishy legends, F row keys changed with some numbers.... not the typical GMK.... extra duplicate keys for no reason. Thanks for running the GB but if I'm not mistaken u started the Dolch GB overbloated at first with tons of unecesary keys and high prices and the GB went into halt. Its like your building the GMK sets for ur taste only and not considering what other people think.
I would like to hear what iss the opinion of the GH's here about this set. Posting pic of the few issues I have with the set.
The extra arrow/enter/0 keys are a different profile (R5 instead of R4).
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 09 December 2014, 14:08:45
I think that Ivan was just trying to make a set that could fit a lot of the odd, old, and different layout available. I think he did a good job with that.
However I do agree with you in that we should be using up to date labeling of they keys instead of the older legends. I think that the styling should stay the same but with the proper up to date legends. It just doesn't make much sense other than just purely aesthetic reasons. The old school look but with current legends would be more appropriate in my opinion.
Post by: evolveS on Tue, 09 December 2014, 14:12:35
...
This is a nostalgic set reminiscent of the bit-paired keyboards. Most of the legends haven't been printed in a long time, and there are already posts in this thread showing where the inspiration for this set came from. You can use your $ to vote one way or another.
Post by: tjweir on Tue, 09 December 2014, 14:27:53
Ivan I just placed an order, but here is a few question regarding the set u have put up.
1. Why we have blanks 1.5? legended ctrl and alt are not enough? ( I understand that the 1.25 blanks are wanted for the people that dislike the win logos)
2. I understand that u want to match this set to whatever old keyboards use to exist, but whats the point when the legends are incorrect to the current keyboards we have?
3. Why extra " Enter" key for the numberbad
4. Why extra " 0 " for the number pad
5. Why 3 extra arrow keys clusters?
6. Why the extra line feed key?
7. The " . " key for the numberpad is also extra ( forgot to circle it in the picture)
After all calculated we are entering close to 160-170 price tag for a set that has fishy legends, F row keys changed with some numbers.... not the typical GMK.... extra duplicate keys for no reason. Thanks for running the GB but if I'm not mistaken u started the Dolch GB overbloated at first with tons of unecesary keys and high prices and the GB went into halt. Its like your building the GMK sets for ur taste only and not considering what other people think.
I would like to hear what iss the opinion of the GH's here about this set. Posting pic of the few issues I have with the set.
Take a look at this post, Ivan explains the motivation behind the set: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66364.msg1553635#msg1553635
Post by: bazemk1979 on Tue, 09 December 2014, 17:46:55
Any ways don't need to say more and be a party pooper, I placed the order without seeing for what it is. I like the color combos for the keys and legends, but the bugs me that all of the misplaced legends have no purpose on our boards, extra keys for no good reason, F row messed up and all of this changes brought up the price of the set. Sorry Ivan I'm not sold on this one, take me out from the GB for now at least, if things change up and the set looks more like ur previous Dolch GB and priced the same I'll be joining in again.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 09 December 2014, 18:11:39
I'm yet to see picture of a keyboard that has the circled numbers F row keys instead F1-F12.
Take a look at this post, Ivan explains the motivation behind the set: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66364.msg1553635#msg1553635
You were literally just linked there.
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/10313)
Post by: bazemk1979 on Tue, 09 December 2014, 19:41:07
I'm yet to see picture of a keyboard that has the circled numbers F row keys instead F1-F12.Take a look at this post, Ivan explains the motivation behind the set: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66364.msg1553635#msg1553635
You were literally just linked there.Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/10313)
Didn't notice cause the pic was small, my opinion is still the same though, lots of caps in this this set not needed to be in there. Maybe u guys will reach 250 orders, good luck but I'm out.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 09 December 2014, 19:50:33
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 09 December 2014, 21:18:54
This buy is about pure nostalgia and offering a lot of legends that are quite rare and haven't been made in decades. It will be a one time thing. I wanted to do it earlier for the 30th anniversary of MX keyboards. If it's not your thing, thats fine.
Is it possible that you will do a reversed classic beige like this in the future with the same layout as you did with dolch ?
Post by: Dreamre on Tue, 09 December 2014, 21:32:39
This buy is about pure nostalgia and offering a lot of legends that are quite rare and haven't been made in decades. It will be a one time thing. I wanted to do it earlier for the 30th anniversary of MX keyboards. If it's not your thing, thats fine.
Is it possible that you will do a reversed classic beige like this in the future with the same layout as you did with dolch ?
Photeq might be making the classic one...I think!
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 09 December 2014, 22:29:23
This buy is about pure nostalgia and offering a lot of legends that are quite rare and haven't been made in decades. It will be a one time thing. I wanted to do it earlier for the 30th anniversary of MX keyboards. If it's not your thing, thats fine.
Is it possible that you will do a reversed classic beige like this in the future with the same layout as you did with dolch ?
Photeq might be making the classic one...I think!
I'm definitely going to be getting in on Photekq's GB :), but I also really like this reversed classic beige.
Just wondering if Ivan might consider running it again with a standard layout in the future?
Post by: Karura on Wed, 10 December 2014, 02:48:28
Just took a look at a lot of my Cherry/GMK stuff and none of it has it. It is definitely interesting, and I like that Ivan included on the Dolch set.
Post by: WinterIsle on Wed, 10 December 2014, 03:59:04
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Thanks for the fast reply.
Just in case if i have collected enough orders here then will certainly need your help for re-packing them. ;)
Post by: quochung1989 on Wed, 10 December 2014, 04:57:29
Just curious, does anyone know which keyboards originally used the strike-through "0" on the numpad?
Just took a look at a lot of my Cherry/GMK stuff and none of it has it. It is definitely interesting, and I like that Ivan included on the Dolch set.
Maybe it is light saver V2. I have seen someone install Dolch on it :)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 10 December 2014, 08:46:04
Post by: bueller on Wed, 10 December 2014, 09:21:26
No plans currently to run something like this again any time soon. Will be focusing on new colorways in future buys mostly with legends that adhere to modern standards.How are the numbers going for the mod pack?
Post by: codyeatworld on Wed, 10 December 2014, 09:26:53
Post by: Synjin on Wed, 10 December 2014, 10:20:00
Post by: Cafiend on Wed, 10 December 2014, 13:53:59
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:43:59
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 11 December 2014, 04:07:23
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 11 December 2014, 10:37:37
Only 40-50 orders for each thing so far. Long ways to go still.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 11 December 2014, 10:45:07
That is exactly why there are so many keys in the modifiers kit. Due to how many different shades Cherry used over the 30 years, chances are it won't match most... it will match some so it just depends on what you have. Better to replace all of them in whole key sections that to have something that looks like a patchwork.Come on people!
Only 40-50 orders for each thing so far. Long ways to go still.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Thu, 11 December 2014, 12:06:14
Post by: renne on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:04:07
Add ~15 order for each set from enjoyclick.cao mu da da zao!
Post by: bazh on Thu, 11 December 2014, 16:39:51
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 11 December 2014, 18:19:03
Definitely not missing this one.
Same here, missing out on a GMK order session is like refusing a night out with Sasha Grey (which lists you as some kind of weird masochist, denying yourself such a perfect treat) 8) .
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 12 December 2014, 05:27:51
Or Sasha Grey and Lily Labeau. :PDefinitely not missing this one.
Same here, missing out on a GMK order session is like refusing a night out with Sasha Grey (which lists you as some kind of weird masochist, denying yourself such a perfect treat) 8) .
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 12 December 2014, 06:14:20
Or Sasha Grey and Lily Labeau. :p
Not Lily, she simply looks too worn out plus I always liked Sasha from the beginning 8) .
Post by: echo0 on Sat, 13 December 2014, 12:31:52
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 16 December 2014, 15:19:17
Post by: tbc on Tue, 16 December 2014, 20:43:42
don't ask. :p
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 16 December 2014, 20:51:58
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 16 December 2014, 21:23:58
Do you guys think that we can reach the GMK MOQ by the end of this GB?
Who knows but it's unfortunate here that many newbs think that this is some PMK setup in which you sign up on the absolute LAST day of this Group Buy, when it clearly isn't.
You sign up now even if you decide to change your mind down the road due to other circumstances (personal or business) so you need the numbers to show GMK that we're serious about getting these made.
Besides, you need to look at these with eyes of keeping them because these colours stand the test of time. I know with youngsters here on this forum everything is about instant gratification meaning they want something bright and colourful to capture their attention. What stands the test of time are traditional GMK colours because that keyboard with these colourways last forever. They do become true 'CLASSICS' and that keyboard never loses it's timeless appeal to the traditionalist :thumb: .
Hence if all you want is a kiddie-like keyboard stay with PMK key-caps but if you want a mature and timeless design - GMK is your ultimate choice.
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 16 December 2014, 21:42:01
Post by: Geroximo on Wed, 17 December 2014, 00:36:42
I know with youngsters here on this forum everything is about instant gratification meaning they want something bright and colourful to capture their attention. What stands the test of time are traditional GMK colours because that keyboard with these colourways last forever. They do become true 'CLASSICS' and that keyboard never loses it's timeless appeal to the traditionalist :thumb: .
I'm still thinking about ordering a Mod-Pack. It would fit the cherry keycaps I got from old G80/G81s perfectly, but damn ... 55€ (+shipping to Europe) for a Mod-Pack ... I could get full sets for that *wallet crying*
Post by: bueller on Wed, 17 December 2014, 00:52:12
Do GMK keycaps wear the same way as other ABS plastic key caps?
Opinions vary but personally I still haven't noticed any shine on mine in the year I've had them. I'd have a hard time believing Signature Plastics caps would last that long with daily use.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 17 December 2014, 02:04:50
Do GMK keycaps wear the same way as other ABS plastic key caps?
Opinions vary but personally I still haven't noticed any shine on mine in the year I've had them. I'd have a hard time believing Signature Plastics caps would last that long with daily use.
I've got several Beige Originals and non of them have even started to develop any shine at all. The oldest ones are from 14 years ago and still look like new, who would think simple ABS could last that long without even showing any wear.
Suspect it's the original German manufactured sets that were done right in the first place, they always do everything perfect without taking any shortcuts, when it comes to making anything within their borders.
Post by: Synjin on Wed, 17 December 2014, 05:51:02
Perhaps the absence of shine only is possible if not used regularly? How often did you use the ones you have had before they do start to show shine at all?Do GMK keycaps wear the same way as other ABS plastic key caps?
Opinions vary but personally I still haven't noticed any shine on mine in the year I've had them. I'd have a hard time believing Signature Plastics caps would last that long with daily use.
I've got several Beige Originals and non of them have even started to develop any shine at all. The oldest ones are from 14 years ago and still look like new, who would think simple ABS could last that long without even showing any wear.
Suspect it's the original German manufactured sets that were done right in the first place, they always do everything perfect without taking any shortcuts, when it comes to making anything within their borders.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 December 2014, 07:10:53
Perhaps the absence of shine only is possible if not used regularly? How often did you use the ones you have had before they do start to show shine at all?Do GMK keycaps wear the same way as other ABS plastic key caps?
Opinions vary but personally I still haven't noticed any shine on mine in the year I've had them. I'd have a hard time believing Signature Plastics caps would last that long with daily use.
I've got several Beige Originals and non of them have even started to develop any shine at all. The oldest ones are from 14 years ago and still look like new, who would think simple ABS could last that long without even showing any wear.
Suspect it's the original German manufactured sets that were done right in the first place, they always do everything perfect without taking any shortcuts, when it comes to making anything within their borders.
In my daily use of a GMK dolch set (8-10 hrs/day) for at least 6 months if not a little longer the only key I had any noticeable shine on was the space bar.
Post by: Synjin on Wed, 17 December 2014, 07:22:46
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 December 2014, 07:50:53
That sounds pretty amazing. It would be consistent hours of typing? Is it coding or actual typing you use it for?
I should quantify that better. I do a little of everything really but it is definitely not continuous typing all day but more entering commands, typing emails, spreadsheet work etc.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 17 December 2014, 11:13:21
Post by: C-g on Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:10:42
Sorry if this has been asked already but I didn't spot it. On the image for the modifier pack in the first post, it looks like the legends on the two longest shift keys are a slightly lighter colour than the other legends. Is this correct or is that just the way that it looks in the image?
Post by: Karura on Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:20:37
Long time lurker here, made an account to get in on (at least) the mod pack for this GB. Really liking the flexibility with the mods.
Sorry if this has been asked already but I didn't spot it. On the image for the modifier pack in the first post, it looks like the legends on the two longest shift keys are a slightly lighter colour than the other legends. Is this correct or is that just the way that it looks in the image?
Welcome to GH! That is just a mockup; they should be the same colour.
Post by: C-g on Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:26:33
Post by: Chungas on Wed, 24 December 2014, 15:59:33
Post by: BlackDragonTribal on Wed, 24 December 2014, 17:54:38
We can hit MOQ? I have little worry
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 25 December 2014, 00:30:55
At this rate I think we might just be getting space bars...
We can hit MOQ? I have little worry
Post by: BlackDragonTribal on Thu, 25 December 2014, 00:51:32
That sure happen because it's over hit MOQ ha haAt this rate I think we might just be getting space bars...
We can hit MOQ? I have little worry
Hope Mod pack can hit when deadline
Post by: shower_king on Fri, 26 December 2014, 00:56:25
Post by: tbc on Fri, 26 December 2014, 01:14:14
IF we couldn't reach the MOQ, the MOQ standard will be lower to make this group happen?
no. that's not how things work. if we don't hit MOQ, then nothing gets made and no money will change hands.
Post by: Synjin on Fri, 26 December 2014, 06:55:15
IF we couldn't reach the MOQ, the MOQ standard will be lower to make this group happen?
no. that's not how things work. if we don't hit MOQ, then nothing gets made and no money will change hands.
The spacebars should still be made since MoQ for that isn't dependent on the main kit?
Post by: quochung1989 on Fri, 26 December 2014, 09:51:10
IF we couldn't reach the MOQ, the MOQ standard will be lower to make this group happen?
no. that's not how things work. if we don't hit MOQ, then nothing gets made and no money will change hands.
The spacebars should still be made since MoQ for that isn't dependent on the main kit?
Yeah sure :)
Post by: tbc on Fri, 26 December 2014, 18:03:00
IF we couldn't reach the MOQ, the MOQ standard will be lower to make this group happen?
no. that's not how things work. if we don't hit MOQ, then nothing gets made and no money will change hands.
The spacebars should still be made since MoQ for that isn't dependent on the main kit?
i would assume so, but i'm not sure what's in ivan's agreement with gmk.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 26 December 2014, 20:46:42
Post by: ideus on Fri, 26 December 2014, 21:34:30
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 27 December 2014, 00:32:23
Anything that make the MOQ will be made. Though I will be severely disappointed if all that is are spacebars. I may extend out a couple more week, maybe it will help since so close to holidays.I definitely think that would be helpful a few more weeks won't hurt anything.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 27 December 2014, 00:37:46
Anything that make the MOQ will be made. Though I will be severely disappointed if all that is are spacebars. I may extend out a couple more week, maybe it will help since so close to holidays.I definitely think that would be helpful a few more weeks won't hurt anything.
A few more weeks and I'll be able to afford this set. I need time to work at the end of my winter break.
Post by: renne on Sat, 27 December 2014, 00:46:40
Anything that make the MOQ will be made. Though I will be severely disappointed if all that is are spacebars. I may extend out a couple more week, maybe it will help since so close to holidays.I understand that u always wanna bring something different to people. but what about change the legends back to normal? since the inverse beige color is already "something different". and I'm pretty sure that lots of people are interested in the color, but not the legends.
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 27 December 2014, 01:08:21
The main set may be splited in modifiers and alphas, and the modifier set broken down into smaller subsets so prices may be reduced.
With GMK, that never works, because then all the orders get segregated and non of the sets meet MOQ. Having one big pack has had the best luck of meeting MOQ.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 27 December 2014, 09:58:29
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 27 December 2014, 10:31:33
Will be disappointing if we don't get MOQ, maybe we need people in here to hype this up like the GMK Dolch was hyped :P Ivan, if this won't get MOQ, will future potential sets also include r0 and r5?
I want to believe you're in Asgeir, an amazing band.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 27 December 2014, 10:38:00
edit: you're talking about Ásgeir Trausti, the Icelandic musician? Well he has the same name as me, we're both from Iceland :)
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 27 December 2014, 12:42:04
Sorry, just my name :)
edit: you're talking about �sgeir Trausti, the Icelandic musician? Well he has the same name as me, we're both from Iceland :)
Yep,
Post by: frostylove on Sun, 28 December 2014, 01:41:34
Post by: bueller on Sun, 28 December 2014, 01:50:24
I'm just wodering why there're so many people only want a spacebar.You'll never be able to get GMK spacebars any where else for $3 each, I bought 20 last time and still put my name down for more.
Hell I traded a couple of GMK spacebars and some winkeyless mods for a Mint Gum clack earlier this year
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 28 December 2014, 02:24:46
I'm just wodering why there're so many people only want a spacebar.Spacebars are cool, I wasn't around for the first GB but I managed to get all the crazy colored spacebars. A crazy colored spacebar makes the keyboard way cooler.
Post by: Geroximo on Sun, 28 December 2014, 12:26:53
I'm just wodering why there're so many people only want a spacebar.You'll never be able to get GMK spacebars any where else for $3 each, I bought 20 last time and still put my name down for more.
Hell I traded a couple of GMK spacebars and some winkeyless mods for a Mint Gum clack earlier this year
May I ask what makes GMK spacebars so special?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 28 December 2014, 12:47:02
Post by: madhias on Sun, 28 December 2014, 13:42:08
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 28 December 2014, 13:45:56
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 28 December 2014, 13:48:32
I don't like to drag things out. If something isn't going to make it in a reasonable time frame, odds are it never will. If it's close to MOQ I would probably make a short extension, but it all depends.
How close to MOQ do you want it to be by the deadline? Also if the main sets don't hit MOQ I will probably just order more spacebars will you allow people to edit orders for a day or two before invoicing?
Post by: Yslen on Sun, 28 December 2014, 13:55:40
Post by: Synjin on Sun, 28 December 2014, 14:19:06
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 28 December 2014, 14:27:07
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 28 December 2014, 14:29:09
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 29 December 2014, 07:46:47
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 29 December 2014, 10:53:24
Ooh man, I can't believe the mod pack is only at 80. :( I'm willing to double my order...
Yeah, if I knew this mod pack would match my vintage cherry sets perfectly (colorwise), I'd order three of them...
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 29 December 2014, 10:56:35
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 29 December 2014, 12:21:26
For those that want to know if it will match old sets... post clear well lit picture with proper color calibration and I will tell you. Even still, at the worst case you will have a different tone on the nav and function row section... which will look like on purpose and is still fine in my opinion.
As we discussed before, just replace ALL the beige mods, problem solved, no matching needed.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 29 December 2014, 12:46:17
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illustrates my point, please excuse the hasty photochop.
Post by: Karura on Wed, 31 December 2014, 02:46:14
It has been demanded many times by countless people. Would be a shame if it didn't make MOQ, get on it people!
Post by: MrChunky on Wed, 31 December 2014, 10:11:44
The mod pack is definitely the best GMK pack to have ever come out.
It has been demanded many times by countless people. Would be a shame if it didn't make MOQ, get on it people!
Second that. Its been a while since the last replacement mods were available to adapt cherry sets.
Post by: quochung1989 on Sat, 03 January 2015, 08:12:09
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 03 January 2015, 11:38:31
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 03 January 2015, 17:06:32
The Full set has everything you would need to fit 101/102 key 1800 (6 blank key for above numpad). Mods pack also would fit for 1800, but would have to use blank key for numpad + - key.
Thanks for that, we need more sets like yours Ivan because you always show a little love for us 1800 desperates :thumb: .
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 03 January 2015, 19:21:37
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sat, 03 January 2015, 19:35:43
I'm surprised that more people wouldn't jump on the opportunity to get these.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 03 January 2015, 19:40:38
This makes me very sad that this probably won't make it by January 15th. I had myself set on getting this keyset when I first heard of it.This would have been my first GMK set but it won't be anymore since people aren't jumping on it as fast as they should.
I'm surprised that more people wouldn't jump on the opportunity to get these.
Post by: quochung1989 on Sat, 03 January 2015, 19:56:31
Post by: Orca on Sun, 04 January 2015, 09:43:04
Can I request my invoice to be issued in Euros?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 04 January 2015, 10:27:11
I realize that blank is not always most ideal, but when it comes to boards that are 'minority' cases I feel it's better to have blanks that have versatility for many other use instead. Add too many keys for specific non standard models and price goes up up up up.
Post by: Synjin on Sun, 04 January 2015, 10:33:21
Sorry no, paypal charge too much penalty for currency conversion. I already get hit hard enough with my bank when I have to send payment to GMK in euro (which is what part of groupbuy fee is for, to buffer against currency conversion loss)... if only I could transfer euro from paypal to my US bank... sadly it's not allowed.If we are unable to reach moQ, might I add to my original order amount of the spacebars?
I realize that blank is not always most ideal, but when it comes to boards that are 'minority' cases I feel it's better to have blanks that have versatility for many other use instead. Add too many keys for specific non standard models and price goes up up up up.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 04 January 2015, 10:34:15
Post by: Synjin on Sun, 04 January 2015, 12:27:10
Post by: frostylove on Mon, 05 January 2015, 14:13:51
Hope we can make it :rolleyes:
Post by: ideus on Tue, 06 January 2015, 20:22:28
Post by: MrChunky on Wed, 07 January 2015, 09:43:12
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 07 January 2015, 09:52:39
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 07 January 2015, 12:32:37
If the main set doesnt tip I'd love to get more mods.
And we need to tip these mods because EVERYONE NEEDS THEM.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 07 January 2015, 13:17:11
Yes, more sets need to be ordered... can stop order spacebar now.
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 07 January 2015, 22:38:56
Post by: bueller on Wed, 07 January 2015, 22:44:30
Can anyone explain to me whats so special/useful about the mod pack?
You can go and buy any Cherry MY board with black on white alphas and then make a full set.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 08 January 2015, 00:14:45
Post by: Karura on Thu, 08 January 2015, 00:50:20
Can anyone explain to me whats so special/useful about the mod pack?
It's very important because too many sets (classic ones such as BSP's beige sets) are missing the proper keys for many layouts. With the mod pack, you're set to do whatever layout you want.
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 08 January 2015, 01:24:25
Will still probably end up placing a order for them.
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 08 January 2015, 12:19:06
Also, if the main pack doesnt tip, I'd like a 2nd mod set in place. I think EVERYONE should do the same so we can get that thing made...
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 08 January 2015, 12:22:21
Post by: Synjin on Thu, 08 January 2015, 12:40:19
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 08 January 2015, 12:45:16
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 08 January 2015, 13:17:22
If the base set gets cancelled, I could afford a second Mod set as well :thumb:Same here. I'll do the same if base doesn't go through.
Post by: findingthelimit on Thu, 08 January 2015, 14:44:01
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 08 January 2015, 16:43:39
Post by: Karura on Fri, 09 January 2015, 04:25:13
I have a feeling that it won't be too difficult to resell it after the GB ends, when newcomers and people who didn't join in at first want to complete their classic beige sets and want it.
Post by: tjweir on Fri, 09 January 2015, 08:20:08
If the base set gets cancelled, I could afford a second Mod set as well :thumb:Same here. I'll do the same if base doesn't go through.
Same for the Colour Pack, if it fails to meet MOQ, I'll double up my Mod Pack order.
Post by: asgeirtj on Fri, 09 January 2015, 08:54:10
Post by: tjweir on Fri, 09 January 2015, 08:57:42
If this doesn't reach MOQ, is it then possible to get gmk to do a lower MOQ gb with a higher price? I need me some R0 row!
Ivan has already got from down from 500 to 250. Chances are slim I would guess.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 09 January 2015, 10:11:10
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 09 January 2015, 12:18:47
It would be greatly appreciated.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 09 January 2015, 16:52:55
Post by: b7ad on Fri, 09 January 2015, 19:05:33
Post by: Karura on Fri, 09 January 2015, 19:14:42
We gotta spread the word
Post by: mason on Fri, 09 January 2015, 20:20:47
Post by: C-g on Sat, 10 January 2015, 09:04:45
I'm willing to order another mod pack to help us reach MOQ.
Same
Post by: Geroximo on Sun, 11 January 2015, 10:16:11
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 January 2015, 10:27:12
The main set may be broken down into MODs and Alphas to allow more people to afford them, again, the MODs set may be another "moogle" than can be buy alone, so buyers may have two moogles to choose from if they want a full set.
Just an idea.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 11 January 2015, 13:49:15
Post by: frostylove on Sun, 11 January 2015, 20:12:08
Post by: cooldiscretion on Mon, 12 January 2015, 12:27:18
Find this set is so beautiful until it turns out to be impossible. :(
That makes it even more beautiful. ;)
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 12 January 2015, 13:00:58
Now is the time to step up, gentlemen...
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 January 2015, 13:11:27
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 12 January 2015, 13:20:52
Ivan, since it doesn't look like the base set is going to tip, should we just start pm'ing you throughout the week changing our orders? Otherwise RIP your weekend and inbox.
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 12 January 2015, 13:26:26
Just took my dong out and 5X'd my order. 5 mod packs.
Now is the time to step up, gentlemen...
I donged up and did 3 mod packs.
edit: looks like 100 base kits aren't going to make it. All those people should turn their base kits into 2 more mod packs. >.>
PONY UP EVERYONE.
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 12 January 2015, 13:26:36
Just took my dong out and 5X'd my order. 5 mod packs.
Now is the time to step up, gentlemen...
I like your style :p
Will double my order is well.
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 12 January 2015, 13:34:02
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 12 January 2015, 14:05:05
Will double my order is well.
I donged up and did 3 mod packs.
Upped my mod pack order.
I see your schwartzes are as big as mine :cool:
Who else?
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 12 January 2015, 14:11:22
Will double my order is well.I donged up and did 3 mod packs.Upped my mod pack order.
I see your schwartzes are as big as mine :cool:
Who else?
We need a live set counter! :)
The Mod Pack would be perfect for me if we could add the main set's circled F keys to it.
Post by: tlt on Mon, 12 January 2015, 14:39:04
Post by: b7ad on Mon, 12 January 2015, 15:03:13
Post by: ideus on Mon, 12 January 2015, 15:23:46
Count: (11 Jan.)
Full sets - 95
Mod sets - 116
Color pack - 77
Spacebars - 438
« Last Edit: 2015-01-11, 14:47:46 by IvanIvanovich »
Post by: Karura on Mon, 12 January 2015, 16:04:50
I'm unsure of my finances at the moment, but I want to triple my modpack order. If not triple, the very least I can do is double it. (Poor student problems)
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 12 January 2015, 17:17:53
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 12 January 2015, 17:32:36
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 12 January 2015, 20:03:55
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 12 January 2015, 20:17:24
I wonder if Ivan has a GMK stamp card. Maybe if he runs enough group buys with them he can get a set for free. Or at least some leniency on numbers for this GB.
You're dealing with a German Company they do not do FREE orders regardless of who's making the payments. They have accountant's that demand all payments up front hence no one gets anything for free because they make sure everything follows strict protocols and they abide by their complicated taxation system.
Giving away anything means they still have to front up with payments to their illustrious government.
Hope this Group Buy goes forth but if not, don't worry Ivan will do another in time when a few more will be willing to part with their money for some German Goodness.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 12 January 2015, 21:16:14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 12 January 2015, 23:04:20
Something tells me this might be a little bit too retro for most here, seems like it's really stalled :(
that and the fact that this is alot of people's first not 'spend on sales' paycheck. still not fully recovered from end of year stuff yet lol.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 12 January 2015, 23:15:25
Something tells me this might be a little bit too retro for most here, seems like it's really stalled :(
that and the fact that this is alot of people's first not 'spend on sales' paycheck. still not fully recovered from end of year stuff yet lol.
Very true. I don't even celebrate Christmas or NY and I'm still absolutely cleaned out.
Post by: shower_king on Mon, 12 January 2015, 23:46:43
another question is whether IVAN could organize a GMK group for basic and mod set for G80-3000 AND 1800 in other color such as orange or dark green or pink?
Post by: asgeirtj on Tue, 13 January 2015, 02:08:20
Post by: tbc on Tue, 13 January 2015, 03:04:26
Well I was just going to buy this set mainly for the R0 row, not a big fan of the look/legends personally. Perhaps it would be a good idea to offer a pack with only an R0 row, surely a lot of people like me with 75% boards be interested in that? I use my 75% for starcraft and I use the function keys a lot in game and need to be able to click it fast, an R4 function row makes it soo hard to reach.
do you REALLY think there are 250 orders worth? when the base set can't even get past 150.
Post by: asgeirtj on Tue, 13 January 2015, 03:08:27
Well I was just going to buy this set mainly for the R0 row, not a big fan of the look/legends personally. Perhaps it would be a good idea to offer a pack with only an R0 row, surely a lot of people like me with 75% boards be interested in that? I use my 75% for starcraft and I use the function keys a lot in game and need to be able to click it fast, an R4 function row makes it soo hard to reach.
do you REALLY think there are 250 orders worth? when the base set can't even get past 150.
My thinking is that maybe some people didn't want to get a full set in order to get the R0. Also, this set is quite unorthodox.
edit: I'd be talking about some very standard looking caps then for the R0 row, a white on black would probably be best bet.
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 13 January 2015, 03:18:54
I know they are supposed to fit the theme, but they would drive me crazy.
If Ivan ever re-runs it with modern legends I will for sure order a set or two.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 13 January 2015, 07:26:31
Summary:
Bad timing? - "Wallet's recovery time after x-mas"
Not so popular legends?
Post by: bueller on Tue, 13 January 2015, 07:30:10
Post by: evolveS on Tue, 13 January 2015, 08:26:48
Post by: ideus on Tue, 13 January 2015, 09:06:15
I don't think many people are too picky about legends, most people are more concerned about colorway above all else.
You are not reading pal.
Post by: bueller on Tue, 13 January 2015, 09:30:08
I don't think many people are too picky about legends, most people are more concerned about colorway above all else.
You are not reading pal.
I can assure you I am. Obviously there's some vocal people in here concerned about the legends but most people will look at the colorway and then wont even bother posting if they don't like the look of it. You're all too picky about legends and minor details anyway, to make GMK MOQ's we need to keep things basic so that the majority are happy and actually place orders. Just getting really tired of hearing people say they won't buy a set unless they get some obscure key or legends that no-one else has asked for.
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 13 January 2015, 09:54:30
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 13 January 2015, 11:10:57
Just getting really tired of hearing people say they won't buy a set unless they get some obscure key or legends that no-one else has asked for.
You hit the nail on the head. It wouldn't be such an issue if the cap suggestions helped a significant number of people, but most of the time they make things worse. A lower price brings in more people than adding keys that cater to the 5 people who need them.
Sure, making sets that help the obscure keyboards is nice, but it seems like for every one or two you add for the obscure caps, you lose 5-10 due to the added cost.
I'm not in on the Ivan mod pack for that reason. $68 plus shipping, PayPal, and GB fee is too rich for me for the maybe 8-15 caps I'd be using from it.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 13 January 2015, 11:38:19
I don't think many people are too picky about legends, most people are more concerned about colorway above all else.
You are not reading pal.
I can assure you I am. Obviously there's some vocal people in here concerned about the legends but most people will look at the colorway and then wont even bother posting if they don't like the look of it. You're all too picky about legends and minor details anyway, to make GMK MOQ's we need to keep things basic so that the majority are happy and actually place orders. Just getting really tired of hearing people say they won't buy a set unless they get some obscure key or legends that no-one else has asked for.
Just for the record: I do not care about the legends and the colors are OK for me, I think Ivan is the authority regarding what may work for a set like this, so I thrust him entirely. I am against to include in the set too many keys that had bumped the price of the set, in the effort to get one set that may fit all needs, therefore unnecessarily. I have suggested many times to get the main mods set broken into smaller basic sets.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 13 January 2015, 11:40:30
I will also take some hard looks at the sets and see if I can chop some fat to make them cheaper, change a few legends...
Post by: limitz on Tue, 13 January 2015, 11:43:39
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 13 January 2015, 12:09:55
Just getting really tired of hearing people say they won't buy a set unless they get some obscure key or legends that no-one else has asked for.
You hit the nail on the head. It wouldn't be such an issue if the cap suggestions helped a significant number of people, but most of the time they make things worse. A lower price brings in more people than adding keys that cater to the 5 people who need them.
Sure, making sets that help the obscure keyboards is nice, but it seems like for every one or two you add for the obscure caps, you lose 5-10 due to the added cost.
I'm not in on the Ivan mod pack for that reason. $68 plus shipping, PayPal, and GB fee is too rich for me for the maybe 8-15 caps I'd be using from it.
Honestly didn't think about it that way. Good point nub.
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 13 January 2015, 19:59:54
Just getting really tired of hearing people say they won't buy a set unless they get some obscure key or legends that no-one else has asked for.
You hit the nail on the head. It wouldn't be such an issue if the cap suggestions helped a significant number of people, but most of the time they make things worse. A lower price brings in more people than adding keys that cater to the 5 people who need them.
Sure, making sets that help the obscure keyboards is nice, but it seems like for every one or two you add for the obscure caps, you lose 5-10 due to the added cost.
I'm not in on the Ivan mod pack for that reason. $68 plus shipping, PayPal, and GB fee is too rich for me for the maybe 8-15 caps I'd be using from it.
Just getting really tired of hearing people say they won't buy a set unless they get some obscure key or legends that no-one else has asked for.
You hit the nail on the head. It wouldn't be such an issue if the cap suggestions helped a significant number of people, but most of the time they make things worse. A lower price brings in more people than adding keys that cater to the 5 people who need them.
Sure, making sets that help the obscure keyboards is nice, but it seems like for every one or two you add for the obscure caps, you lose 5-10 due to the added cost.
I'm not in on the Ivan mod pack for that reason. $68 plus shipping, PayPal, and GB fee is too rich for me for the maybe 8-15 caps I'd be using from it.
Honestly didn't think about it that way. Good point nub.
Nubs is partly right. Excessive legends does make it costs more, but the beauty of this pack is that it caters to EVERY keyboard.
That's why so many of us are willing to pick up multiple sets. If you have any black and beige set, this completes it for your JD40/1800 and w/e special layout is hot in our keyboard market right now.
$68+shipping+paypal x3 is still within my price range because of how ****ing complete these sets are.
I URGE everyone to spread this on reddit/DT/KBD/EC and any other community that might be able to alleviate the MOQ.
It's a really great mod pack and as much as I'd kill for the base pack, the mod pack is much more important to me.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 13 January 2015, 20:31:22
I really really really want that base set to fly... so... I guess I will make an extension to help more with people that need additional time to still recovering from holidays spending.
I will also take some hard looks at the sets and see if I can chop some fat to make them cheaper, change a few legends...
Ivan be careful about editing the sets down to the lowest common denominator, it will then be COMPLETELY boring like buying sets off Taobao only these will still sell for far more.
Remember having a unique key-set is what makes these so desirable and if you reduce their individuality for the sake of making it cheaper, then why bother to buy them in the first place?
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 13 January 2015, 21:38:19
Nubs is partly right. Excessive legends does make it costs more, but the beauty of this pack is that it caters to EVERY keyboard.
That's why so many of us are willing to pick up multiple sets. If you have any black and beige set, this completes it for your JD40/1800 and w/e special layout is hot in our keyboard market right now.
That's still a minority population. 40% boards make up a small demographic. Look at the last SP sets with specific 40% sets. Some weren't able to even make the 10 needed to tip the 40% sets. If you have people who won't do it with the much cheaper SP, you'll have a hard time convincing me that they make up a substantial part of the population.
You should be catering a set to make things work for the greatest number of people (so custom Koreans, 1.5x bottom row mods, short shifts for Pure/1800 layout, etc.); however, you also need to balance it with the knowledge that people often rationalize decisions by as little as $1. While there may be a handful of people willing to buy 2-3 sets at ~$75-80 a set once fees and shipping are factored in, there may be a larger portion of the population who will buy one or even 2-3 if that set is a little less specialized and only costs $55-60 shipped per set.
$68+shipping+paypal x3 is still within my price range because of how ****ing complete these sets are.
I URGE everyone to spread this on reddit/DT/KBD/EC and any other community that might be able to alleviate the MOQ.
It's a really great mod pack and as much as I'd kill for the base pack, the mod pack is much more important to me.
Just because it's in your price range doesn't mean it is for everyone or that everyone is willing to spend that much.
I really really really want that base set to fly... so... I guess I will make an extension to help more with people that need additional time to still recovering from holidays spending.
I will also take some hard looks at the sets and see if I can chop some fat to make them cheaper, change a few legends...
Ivan be careful about editing the sets down to the lowest common denominator, it will then be COMPLETELY boring like buying sets off Taobao only these will still sell for far more.
Remember having a unique key-set is what makes these so desirable and if you reduce their individuality for the sake of making it cheaper, then why bother to buy them in the first place?
WoP was basic, but catered to enough sub-groups to make it successful. You have to be careful with stuff like this to keep it affordable yet cater to enough people to make it tip. The more niche you add, the harder it becomes to make the set tip.
Post by: bueller on Tue, 13 January 2015, 21:45:16
You should be catering a set to make things work for the greatest number of people (so custom Koreans, 1.5x bottom row mods, short shifts for Pure/1800 layout, etc.); however, you also need to balance it with the knowledge that people often rationalize decisions by as little as $1. While there may be a handful of people willing to buy 2-3 sets at ~$75-80 a set once fees and shipping are factored in, there may be a larger portion of the population who will buy one or even 2-3 if that set is a little less specialized and only costs $55-60 shipped per set.
All of this. 99% of boards are taken care of with a Full set, Tsangan and some ISO mods. I appreciate that people want to put these sets on things like JD40, Ergodox etc but at the end of the day those keyboards just aren't common enough to warrant everyone else paying for the extra keys. Perfect example was Originative, when they were actually shipping orders they had no problems selling the Dolch, Classic Beige etc sets because they kept the un-necessary keys to a minimum which kept the price down.
Want awesome custom legends or bizzaro layouts? Then GMK aren't the sets for you.
Post by: renne on Tue, 13 January 2015, 21:51:07
I absolutely love the sets colorway, but couldn't bring myself to order it because of those legends.+1
I know they are supposed to fit the theme, but they would drive me crazy.
If Ivan ever re-runs it with modern legends I will for sure order a set or two.
Post by: TBone on Tue, 13 January 2015, 22:14:47
+2I absolutely love the sets colorway, but couldn't bring myself to order it because of those legends.+1
I know they are supposed to fit the theme, but they would drive me crazy.
If Ivan ever re-runs it with modern legends I will for sure order a set or two.
I love the idea, but could never use this set, so right now I can't justify buying it. The mod pack looks amazing, but without alphas in mind or a lower price, I can't justify that either. All the power to you guys though, I'd love to see these things made. Maybe when I'm not on a college student budget I could pick these things up in the classifieds.
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 13 January 2015, 23:56:51
Nubs is partly right. Excessive legends does make it costs more, but the beauty of this pack is that it caters to EVERY keyboard.
That's why so many of us are willing to pick up multiple sets. If you have any black and beige set, this completes it for your JD40/1800 and w/e special layout is hot in our keyboard market right now.
That's still a minority population. 40% boards make up a small demographic. Look at the last SP sets with specific 40% sets. Some weren't able to even make the 10 needed to tip the 40% sets. If you have people who won't do it with the much cheaper SP, you'll have a hard time convincing me that they make up a substantial part of the population.
You should be catering a set to make things work for the greatest number of people (so custom Koreans, 1.5x bottom row mods, short shifts for Pure/1800 layout, etc.); however, you also need to balance it with the knowledge that people often rationalize decisions by as little as $1. While there may be a handful of people willing to buy 2-3 sets at ~$75-80 a set once fees and shipping are factored in, there may be a larger portion of the population who will buy one or even 2-3 if that set is a little less specialized and only costs $55-60 shipped per set.
Yeah I dont care so much about the smallfry, but I love that board. 1800 is very important to me. 1.5esc or slash for backspace and other fancy mods for hhkb and other layouts are nice too.
It really cant cost that much more but i guess im underestimating everyones love for keyboards versus their expendable incomes.
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 14 January 2015, 00:02:45
I don't really see leaving this GB open for longer helping that much.. Maybe it is just better to tuck it away and bring it back at a better time? In the end it is up to Ivan.
Post by: bueller on Wed, 14 January 2015, 00:06:59
Honestly I don't think Ivan should change the packs from what they are. With the deadline being Thursday, I doubt we will even come close with orders. That being said, looks like we will just be getting a ton of space bars... Which isn't a bad thing, because who doesn't need more GMK spacebars.
I don't really see leaving this GB open for longer helping that much.. Maybe it is just better to tuck it away and bring it back at a better time? In the end it is up to Ivan.
Yeah I doubt it's going to make it. If it at like 175-200 then I'd be a bit more hopeful but we're not even half way there, seems pretty unlikely we'll get 150 last minute orders.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 14 January 2015, 00:10:11
I know I'm outspoken on this and that I may make up a minority, but $68 for a set that I know I won't use most of, can't trade most of, and will never use most of is way too much. On the other hand, if it was a slimmed down $40-50 set, I'd buy 2-3 since I could have one to use, one to hold onto and/or one to trade. The GMK WoP set Ivan ran first was perfect. It played to the most common denominator and succeeded because of that.
If you're going to push minority kits that usually can't even hit MOQ at SP, you should be looking at SP for the sets, not GMK. GMK needs to be for the most people while staying the most affordable or you'll never hit the MOQ.
Post by: bueller on Wed, 14 January 2015, 00:18:49
I'm just pointing out how to make the packs hit MOQ. Strip out all the stuff that's for small populations that are very vocal but make up a vast minority of the purchasers and decrease the price, thus making it more accessible to more people and making more people willing to buy multiple sets.
I know I'm outspoken on this and that I may make up a minority, but $68 for a set that I know I won't use most of, can't trade most of, and will never use most of is way too much. On the other hand, if it was a slimmed down $40-50 set, I'd buy 2-3 since I could have one to use, one to hold onto and/or one to trade. The GMK WoP set Ivan ran first was perfect. It played to the most common denominator and succeeded because of that.
If you're going to push minority kits that usually can't even hit MOQ at SP, you should be looking at SP for the sets, not GMK. GMK needs to be for the most people while staying the most affordable or you'll never hit the MOQ.
Yeah I'm starting to think that anything over $110-$120 is really pushing it, not saying that people won't pay it but it's going to be hard hitting that 250.
Post by: Prelim on Wed, 14 January 2015, 09:49:28
I know Ivan has made this in order to be sure all mods are using the same color tone, as Cherry made many tones of beige during their production years, but anyhow... the forum is filled with people using SP moogles + Cherry caps and honestly I don't see any major differences in color.
+1 /call vote for GMK moogles only ;)
Post by: luckyryan333 on Wed, 14 January 2015, 10:39:36
I have no idea if it will happen or not, but I've ordered a set of MOD pack for my first 60%.
Actually what I'm rreeaallllyy interested in is a set of CLASSIC, that is, two-tone beige.
Probably or not, I heard that a GH'er was trying to make it happen, but unfortunately I don't get updated info about it good enough yet.
May the force be with a new GB for classic as well as this GB.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 14 January 2015, 10:57:42
In the full set, replace the duplicates and some extraneous keys with standard US/GB alphanumerics. This will then give the choice to use bitshift, US or GB layout while keeping the cost about the same as it is now.
In the mod pack, I'll be dumping most all the blank keys and a few of the specialist keys to drop the price.
Hopefully these changes will be appealing enough to get them through.
Post by: bueller on Wed, 14 January 2015, 10:58:32
So what I'm intending on doing...
In the full set, replace the duplicates and some extraneous keys with standard US/GB alphanumerics. This will then give the choice to use bitshift, US or GB layout while keeping the cost about the same as it is now.
In the mod pack, I'll be dumping most all the blank keys and a few of the specialist keys to drop the price.
Hopefully these changes will be appealing enough to get them through.
:thumb:
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 14 January 2015, 11:34:08
So what I'm intending on doing...
In the full set, replace the duplicates and some extraneous keys with standard US/GB alphanumerics. This will then give the choice to use bitshift, US or GB layout while keeping the cost about the same as it is now.
In the mod pack, I'll be dumping most all the blank keys and a few of the specialist keys to drop the price.
Hopefully these changes will be appealing enough to get them through.
Awesome. Will you be posting an updated mock up?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 14 January 2015, 11:45:02
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 14 January 2015, 12:11:46
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 14 January 2015, 12:58:58
So what I'm intending on doing...
In the full set, replace the duplicates and some extraneous keys with standard US/GB alphanumerics. This will then give the choice to use bitshift, US or GB layout while keeping the cost about the same as it is now.
In the mod pack, I'll be dumping most all the blank keys and a few of the specialist keys to drop the price.
Hopefully these changes will be appealing enough to get them through.
Ivan,
Will the blank 1.25 keys still be offered in the mod pack?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 14 January 2015, 13:19:03
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We'll see how much those changes help the price. Otherwise I might cut a few more of the least necessary ones. I don't want to hurt compatibility with maximum number of boards too much if it can be helped.
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 14 January 2015, 13:20:51
I didn't chop too much on the mods pack...
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We'll see how much those changes help the price. Otherwise I might cut a few more of the least necessary ones. I don't want to hurt compatibility with maximum number of boards too much if it can be helped.
That actually looks really good. I didn't really notice how many blanks you included. Hopefully the price drop is significant.
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 14 January 2015, 13:48:30
I didn't chop too much on the mods pack...
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We'll see how much those changes help the price. Otherwise I might cut a few more of the least necessary ones. I don't want to hurt compatibility with maximum number of boards too much if it can be helped.
Those changes work for me (HHKB layout and 75%).
Go Ivan!
// Dat colour matched 1.75u shift, I need like 6 of them!
Post by: ideus on Wed, 14 January 2015, 13:50:54
I didn't chop too much on the mods pack...
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We'll see how much those changes help the price. Otherwise I might cut a few more of the least necessary ones. I don't want to hurt compatibility with maximum number of boards too much if it can be helped.
This is the modifiers set to have for compatibility with most of the old double shot Cherry sets available.
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 14 January 2015, 14:02:59
I didn't chop too much on the mods pack...
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We'll see how much those changes help the price. Otherwise I might cut a few more of the least necessary ones. I don't want to hurt compatibility with maximum number of boards too much if it can be helped.
This is the modifiers set to have for compatibility with most of the old double shot Cherry sets available.
Yup, this looks fantastic; even though I'm gonna miss my blank 1.5u.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 14 January 2015, 14:06:21
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 14 January 2015, 14:35:06
I didn't chop too much on the mods pack...
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We'll see how much those changes help the price. Otherwise I might cut a few more of the least necessary ones. I don't want to hurt compatibility with maximum number of boards too much if it can be helped.
Those changes work for me (HHKB layout and 75%).
+1. :D
Post by: aicrono on Wed, 14 January 2015, 15:26:42
I didn't chop too much on the mods pack...
(Attachment Link)
We'll see how much those changes help the price. Otherwise I might cut a few more of the least necessary ones. I don't want to hurt compatibility with maximum number of boards too much if it can be helped.
This is the modifiers set to have for compatibility with most of the old double shot Cherry sets available.
Yup, this looks fantastic; even though I'm gonna miss my blank 1.5u.
Same here, I was really banking on those 1.5u blanks being included so I can have a proper GMK set for my 7bit Phantom.
Post by: mason on Wed, 14 January 2015, 15:34:08
Post by: WinterIsle on Thu, 15 January 2015, 04:43:22
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 15 January 2015, 10:02:12
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 15 January 2015, 11:09:24
What we need to realize here is that we either get a set that fits 95% of boards and leaves out the obscure stuff, or we get no set at all. It's as simple as that.
That said, I appreciate what you're doing here, Ivan. Mocking up a set that fits so many boards is definitely a worthwhile endeavor, but at this point it's time to trim some fat, and I'm glad that's happening. :thumb: I want to see this succeed.
I just wish the dang colour pack would meet MOQ. :'( :))
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 15 January 2015, 11:37:28
I just hope the changes I will be making will be enough to make more people happy with the sets here and get them to the MOQ goal.
I appreciate that some keys are not strictly necessary, but I hoped more people would appreciate to have some things that are less common, and some things that haven't been made for decades. It seems I was incorrect.
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 15 January 2015, 12:07:45
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 15 January 2015, 12:16:34
I don't think you are necessarily wrong about that. But there are a million GBs happening right now and everyone is bankrupt due to the holidays, so I think they are just unable to pay the price.
There are so many people with great ideas and great GBs it really is a blessing and a curse!
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 15 January 2015, 15:12:56
I don't think you are necessarily wrong about that. But there are a million GBs happening right now and everyone is bankrupt due to the holidays, so I think they are just unable to pay the price.
There are so many people with great ideas and great GBs it really is a blessing and a curse!
Yeah this could be the problem.
It's hard to tell when we only get vocal input from 20 people and obviously 100+ are laying down money.
Post by: Cafiend on Thu, 15 January 2015, 19:58:56
I always wanted a quality set of the old school colors that I grew up with on top of a nice black cased keyboard. I'm just not into purples and pinks (35 yr old male).
This would make my Dolch set ride the backseat for years to come ;)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 15 January 2015, 20:00:17
I'm just not into purples and pinks (35 yr old male).
:)) You don't have to be a 12 yr old female to like fun colors...
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 16 January 2015, 05:34:48
I'm just not into purples and pinks (35 yr old male).
:)) You don't have to be a 12 yr old female to like fun colors...
No, but it certainly helps ;D .
This is a broad question for all here who know what's going on with this Group Buy, hence here is my question;
Is this current Key-set at all FULLY compatible with a standard G80-1865 keyboard layout?
I know there is very little love available for this brilliant style of keyboard but I still am hoping Ivan is going to cater to the likes of us desperates, who want to furnish their ancient style keyboards with his current colour-way. Please let me know about this because GMK is the only manufacturer that can supply all the keys for our lamented keyboard.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 16 January 2015, 11:01:29
Post by: DanielT on Fri, 16 January 2015, 11:13:12
But only a real man would not be afraid of using a pink keyboard :cool:I'm just not into purples and pinks (35 yr old male).
:)) You don't have to be a 12 yr old female to like fun colors...
Post by: digi on Fri, 16 January 2015, 11:14:20
But only a real man would not be afraid of using a pink keyboard :cool:
yea, just call it "salmon" instead of "pink"..
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 16 January 2015, 11:55:28
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Nice pink keyboard.
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IT'S SALMON!
Post by: GSimon on Fri, 16 January 2015, 12:37:33
Yeah this could be the problem.
It's hard to tell when we only get vocal input from 20 people and obviously 100+ are laying down money.
I'll give my 2 cents then I suppose
- All packs have too many keys. Because these sets are trying to be inclusive you're really just excluding most people due to price/wasted extras. It's why people pay for Netflix instead of cable, no one wants to pay for 100s of channels when you only need 5-10.
- Base set for example has an extra arrow key profile, some blanks, stepped capslock etc. Those should be in a separate kit. 60% and TKL owners already don't need the numpad (and 60% won't need function row) and now I'd have to the get Tsangan kit AND those extras? More than half those keys are wasted.
- Mod pack is too inclusive also, with the blank keys and the numpad +, %, x num keys. I don't mind paying for the Tsangan kit in this case but the rest is too much.
- Color pack needs to ditch the function row and/or the blanks.
- Since every set so far could do without the blanks, have it in their own set for people to buy and stop including it with the rest. The one exception is the Base kit/Color pack for people who want to replace the Windows key with a blank one, but that's it.
The market for keycaps is a niche market as it is, and these sets are targeting a niche within a niche.
Last note. Yes, Christmas happened and there are other Group Buys saturating the market, but that's not the main factor. People who are strapped for the cash can often find funds for sets with re-sell value. Take feng's recent Cyan group buy. I can re-sell those color packs, it's a handful of keys that are desirable for a wide variety of people and are affordable. I can't easily re-sell the color pack here, nor the mod pack or base kit.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 16 January 2015, 13:15:06
Yeah this could be the problem.
It's hard to tell when we only get vocal input from 20 people and obviously 100+ are laying down money.
I'll give my 2 cents then I suppose
- All packs have too many keys. Because these sets are trying to be inclusive you're really just excluding most people due to price/wasted extras. It's why people pay for Netflix instead of cable, no one wants to pay for 100s of channels when you only need 5-10.
- Base set for example has an extra arrow key profile, some blanks, stepped capslock etc. Those should be in a separate kit. 60% and TKL owners already don't need the numpad (and 60% won't need function row) and now I'd have to the get Tsangan kit AND those extras? More than half those keys are wasted.
- Mod pack is too inclusive also, with the blank keys and the numpad +, %, x num keys. I don't mind paying for the Tsangan kit in this case but the rest is too much.
- Color pack needs to ditch the function row and/or the blanks.
- Since every set so far could do without the blanks, have it in their own set for people to buy and stop including it with the rest. The one exception is the Base kit/Color pack for people who want to replace the Windows key with a blank one, but that's it.
The market for keycaps is a niche market as it is, and these sets are targeting a niche within a niche.
Last note. Yes, Christmas happened and there are other Group Buys saturating the market, but that's not the main factor. People who are strapped for the cash can often find funds for sets with re-sell value. Take feng's recent Cyan group buy. I can re-sell those color packs, it's a handful of keys that are desirable for a wide variety of people and are affordable. I can't easily re-sell the color pack here, nor the mod pack or base kit.
What you say is absolutely true, and is what I believe to be the root issue here. However, I think (and we've seen) that fragmentation in GMK buys is not good. Typically, any set has a tough time meeting MOQ. If you split it into smaller sets and have maybe only 2/3 of the buyers buy a given set, that set won't hit MOQ, and you'll end up with only the base set being produced. Or, people who want the extra kits will realize this and not buy, which only hurts the chances of success.
What we really need is sets that are smaller and affordable, and not fragmented. Minimal extra keys to allow the majority of users to use the keys, and that's it. The whole point of a GB is to use our collective buying power to make something happen that otherwise wouldn't, and we're only hurting our efforts by doing too much.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 16 January 2015, 13:28:52
I've done some revising, and hopefully the end result will be more satisfactory. I should have the pricing for those revisions early next week.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 16 January 2015, 16:49:56
Full set dosen't have the 1u ctrl, alt keys... and GMK dosen't have 6u spacebars at all. So no, they are not really compatible fully with winkey 1800 family. The mod pack does have 1u ctrl, alt... but still no spacebar solution, would have to source from other 1800 if you need a 'white'/'beige' spacebar.
Still good to go BUT need to fill out the rest of this set with more Taobao purchases to completely finish off the G80-1865 series. Glad you are running this Ivan and please don't forget to send the bill out for payment soon, okay?
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 16 January 2015, 20:21:28
which happen to leave me with a short "rebuttle."
@Gsimon: The resale value of this set, in particular the mod pack, is the fact that it can accompany any keyboard with a classic beige set. I believe having it only fit certain keys will allow you to easily resell it to a fraction of people, while having every key leave a smaller chance of reselling it to EVERYONE. It's impossible to figure the math here, however, I personally have bought in on multiple mod kits because of how inclusive they are. I know that by owning two of these I'll never have an issue fitting a classic beige set on ANY keyboard, bar unknown keyboards with wonky layouts that don't exist yet. I don't feel I would have ANY trouble finding a buyer aftermarket for my extra set if I decide I don't need it. My reference here is CMYK from GMK, it always has multiple buyers in the classifieds, was completely inclusive, and ended up being $36 for just ctrl, alts and shift.
@hoff: You're absolutely correct, there literally isn't fragmenting GMK buys, because they just don't happen that way.
In regards to doing "too much" however, there are so few sets that fit any number of keyboards, and having one ultimate set, be it at a higher cost, would be godly.
In my eyes it's something that hasn't been achieved; this is why I bought in 3, and why intelli [not entirely sure about name and too lazy to check back, going to avatar in my memory] bought in 5 mod packs.
Classic beige in Cherry profile, from GMK no less, only seems natural.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 16 January 2015, 20:25:19
@hoff: You're absolutely correct, there literally isn't fragmenting GMK buys, because they just don't happen that way.
In regards to doing "too much" however, there are so few sets that fit any number of keyboards, and having one ultimate set, be it at a higher cost, would be godly.
In my eyes it's something that hasn't been achieved; this is why I bought in 3, and why intelli [not entirely sure about name and too lazy to check back, going to avatar in my memory] bought in 5 mod packs.
Classic beige in Cherry profile, from GMK no less, only seems natural.
And I agree with that! I would love to see a massive all-inclusive buy get through to production. My point was simply about how to please the masses, because (unfortunately) that's what you need to do with GMK buys (IMHO). Who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and be able to do it one of these times! :D
Post by: tbc on Fri, 16 January 2015, 22:43:09
we need to create one giant set to make everyone happy. this will include everything; base, mods, novelties, tsangan, international, (god forbid minila support) etc
then people who can afford to buy the entire set will buy at least 1 set.
then people who only want logical sets (base is a logical set, mods is a logical set, etc.). people's partial orders are then combined to make one complete order that will count as 1 order against the 250 moq.
at this point, we would HOPE that we can hit the 250 moq.
failing that, we would allow people to cherrypick individual keys irregardless of sets. that means they can get 50% of the keys from one set, or 1 key from every set. again, we would combine orders to make up a fullset for moq.
is this basically what people want? i'm not considering logistical hell because i would assume gmk doesn't have an option for this cherrypicking sorting.
no cherry puns intended -_-
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 17 January 2015, 07:59:59
Exactly... also GMK pricing has the mysterious effect of becoming more expensive with multiple smaller kits instead of one big one that has everything.
I've done some revising, and hopefully the end result will be more satisfactory. I should have the pricing for those revisions early next week.
Hoping you will revise the design to make it truly HUMONGOUS, without equal, anywhere on this planet. A Super-Large key-set able to furnish anything that was ever made in the past 15 years.
That I would buy easily, if they (GMK) like dealing with HUGE key-sets then by all means unload everything onto them Ivan, shower them with everything you've got 8) .
Post by: bueller on Sat, 17 January 2015, 08:07:31
Exactly... also GMK pricing has the mysterious effect of becoming more expensive with multiple smaller kits instead of one big one that has everything.
I've done some revising, and hopefully the end result will be more satisfactory. I should have the pricing for those revisions early next week.
Hoping you will revise the design to make it truly HUMONGOUS, without equal, anywhere on this planet. A Super-Large key-set able to furnish anything that was ever made in the past 15 years.
That I would buy easily, if they (GMK) like dealing with HUGE key-sets then by all means unload everything onto them Ivan, shower them with everything you've got 8) .
Well if you like sets that miss MOQ then by all means.
Post by: GeorgeK on Sat, 17 January 2015, 09:05:13
Post by: Karura on Sat, 17 January 2015, 09:27:50
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 17 January 2015, 09:30:57
Exactly... also GMK pricing has the mysterious effect of becoming more expensive with multiple smaller kits instead of one big one that has everything.
I've done some revising, and hopefully the end result will be more satisfactory. I should have the pricing for those revisions early next week.
Hoping you will revise the design to make it truly HUMONGOUS, without equal, anywhere on this planet. A Super-Large key-set able to furnish anything that was ever made in the past 15 years.
That I would buy easily, if they (GMK) like dealing with HUGE key-sets then by all means unload everything onto them Ivan, shower them with everything you've got 8) .
Well if you like sets that miss MOQ then by all means.
Yes a larger key set done in an inclusive style through GMK would be far too price exclusive.
Sorting the logistical hell that TBC mentioned is nigh impossible.
Our only hope is the smaller more affordable revised sets that Ivan is waiting on pricing for.
Also, I once again urge international members to spread this to forums in other languages.
I truly hope we can meet moq on the cheaper smaller sets,
and that any real keyboard enthusiasts will "dong up" and eat ramen with intelli.
Ivan, so does GMK not have the correct molds for the 1800 spacebar? That would be unfortunate :( (not that it matters for this GB)
GMK has 6.25 and 7u spacebars.
The 1800 model elick was talking about has 111-6-1111, the 6u space is hard to come by. [i have one in the classic cream color]
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 17 January 2015, 10:30:10
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 17 January 2015, 17:35:30
Well if you like sets that miss MOQ then by all means.
Well have a look at the current numbers, are they any better?
If all anyone can afford is just a couple of keys from GMK then FVCKING forget about it >:( . Who the HELL wants to keep buying just a couple of non-descript keys forever from this site?
Far better go in HARD and offer an all in one due to the cheapness offered compared to buying tiny amount of keys that never match to anything, in fact SP now ranges as the BETTER alternative you get FAR more keys at a lower price hence GMK priced themselves out of the market.
I love German made but I now stop at buying small to tiny number of keys because of people/noobs wanting to only spend $20USD on them. If no one is interested in buying an authentic, complete GMK key-set, then why bother posting it here on a continuing basis?
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 18 January 2015, 01:15:43
This is the most worthwhile wallet hack I've witnessed in 6 months.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 18 January 2015, 10:02:40
My two cents:
It is true that there are many other group buys active now, however this one, in particular the modifiers set allow original Cherry double shot sets to be used on new ANSI, or ISO boards.
The Cherry sets have the right profile, are thick and have the right height, that are unmatched by other profiles. After I tried PBT sets, I should say also that I prefer double shot ABS Cherry sets always, with the only exception of the space bar, because ABS ones tend to develop shiny spots with only small use, so I will keep some PBT bars mix and matched with my Cherry ABS sets, yeah, I know that is not the most elegant pairing but I do not want to see bright spots at the front of my boards. The shine on the ABS worn off caps just make them more finger friendly, and the precision you may reach with the right profile, and the soft surface of a worn off double shot ABS cap cannot be matched by any other type of key cap.
OEM are too tall and most sets are too thin also; DSA have the right height, but with no profile and they are also in the thin wall side; contoured SA may have a good profile, but they are just too tall for a 60 for example, so their aesthetics are not that good, besides, SA made by SP suffers the profile mismatch of their 2.25 and 2.75 shifts that are only available in row 3 profile, who wants a misaligned set that costs over 100 dollars?.
DCS? well, it is close to Cherry but the caps are too thin, and the rounded corners DCS sets have do a bad service for a good looking board, an SP made moogle in DCS to match a Cherry set is like pairing a peasant with the royalty. So, I humble disagree with those having second thoughts trying to decide if they should buy other offers instead of this one. By all means, buy all of them you want; or maybe you are short of money, then just get this one. Just being warn the best set for a mechanical is by far an original double shot Cherry[size=78%].[/size]
One more thing: It is true that SP can manufacture sets in nice colors and multiple fonts, but who cares about the look if you cannot enjoy your time at the computer with a set that makes itself asking for too much attention of you, instead of typing in a real extension of your brain, a keyboard with a key set that will not get in the middle of your thinking and typing flow, that also looks professional.
Post by: frostylove on Sun, 18 January 2015, 11:17:41
SP sets for showing. Cherry ones for using.
Post by: shay_shay on Sun, 18 January 2015, 14:15:26
Post by: ideus on Sun, 18 January 2015, 15:38:54
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 18 January 2015, 16:43:46
Ivan is waiting for an updated quotation for smaller sets, then the deadline could be pushed forward to allow more people to get in. Let's see if the GB could reach MOQ.
You know what the worst thing that could happen, he is forced to re-run "DOLCH" yet again. That thing always get's the moq no matter what, it's the norm here that all noobs want a bit of Dolch above all else. There is no more love for all out beige (my all time favorite colour scheme) so better stick with the sure-fire colour-way that keeps bringing them in with their moolah.
Or maybe GMK made caps have run their course already, many people instead are looking for the cheaper option......... :'( :'( :'( :'(
Post by: tbc on Sun, 18 January 2015, 16:54:15
Ivan is waiting for an updated quotation for smaller sets, then the deadline could be pushed forward to allow more people to get in. Let's see if the GB could reach MOQ.
You know what the worst thing that could happen, he is forced to re-run "DOLCH" yet again. That thing always get's the moq no matter what, it's the norm here that all noobs want a bit of Dolch above all else. There is no more love for all out beige (my all time favorite colour scheme) so better stick with the sure-fire colour-way that keeps bringing them in with their moolah.
Or maybe GMK made caps have run their course already, many people instead are looking for the cheaper option......... :'( :'( :'( :'(
dolch was actually saved a person buying a HUGE amount of sets. like 150 or so right?
Post by: Karura on Mon, 19 January 2015, 02:15:21
Ivan is waiting for an updated quotation for smaller sets, then the deadline could be pushed forward to allow more people to get in. Let's see if the GB could reach MOQ.
You know what the worst thing that could happen, he is forced to re-run "DOLCH" yet again. That thing always get's the moq no matter what, it's the norm here that all noobs want a bit of Dolch above all else. There is no more love for all out beige (my all time favorite colour scheme) so better stick with the sure-fire colour-way that keeps bringing them in with their moolah.
Or maybe GMK made caps have run their course already, many people instead are looking for the cheaper option......... :'( :'( :'( :'(
dolch was actually saved a person buying a HUGE amount of sets. like 150 or so right?
I believe it was more like 50 sets, but yes, someone did place a huge order for it to meet MOQ :)
Post by: Halvar on Mon, 19 January 2015, 04:28:42
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Post by: b7ad on Mon, 19 January 2015, 06:19:30
You know what the worst thing that could happen, he is forced to re-run "DOLCH" yet again. That thing always get's the moq no matter what, it's the norm here that all noobs want a bit of Dolch above all else. There is no more love for all out beige (my all time favorite colour scheme) so better stick with the sure-fire colour-way that keeps bringing them in with their moolah.
Or maybe GMK made caps have run their course already, many people instead are looking for the cheaper option......... :'( :'( :'( :'(
This is a pretty sad state of affairs but you are probably right. I like dolch but beige is definitely my all time favorite scheme too, I'm still pretty surprised at the lack of interest for this GB, especially that god like mod set.
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 19 January 2015, 06:24:51
This is a pretty sad state of affairs but you are probably right. I like dolch but beige is definitely my all time favorite scheme too, I'm still pretty surprised at the lack of interest for this GB, especially that god like mod set.I'm not surprised the main set is nowhere near MOQ. I think it's just too odd for most people. The legends are awfully strange, and you don't even have a proper ANSI set due to some of the symbols being deliberately different from modern ANSI.
I am a little surprised the mod set won't hit MOQ though. I guess the legends may have something to do with it again. Ivan, I only just noticed, how come two of the shifts have CP legends rather than CR?
Post by: Cafiend on Mon, 19 January 2015, 06:45:14
Ivan is waiting for an updated quotation for smaller sets, then the deadline could be pushed forward to allow more people to get in. Let's see if the GB could reach MOQ.
You know what the worst thing that could happen, he is forced to re-run "DOLCH" yet again. That thing always get's the moq no matter what, it's the norm here that all noobs want a bit of Dolch above all else. There is no more love for all out beige (my all time favorite colour scheme) so better stick with the sure-fire colour-way that keeps bringing them in with their moolah.
Or maybe GMK made caps have run their course already, many people instead are looking for the cheaper option......... :'( :'( :'( :'(
Totally agree Elrick! Beige is also my fav.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 January 2015, 07:05:02
Ivan is waiting for an updated quotation for smaller sets, then the deadline could be pushed forward to allow more people to get in. Let's see if the GB could reach MOQ.
You know what the worst thing that could happen, he is forced to re-run "DOLCH" yet again. That thing always get's the moq no matter what, it's the norm here that all noobs want a bit of Dolch above all else. There is no more love for all out beige (my all time favorite colour scheme) so better stick with the sure-fire colour-way that keeps bringing them in with their moolah.
Or maybe GMK made caps have run their course already, many people instead are looking for the cheaper option......... :'( :'( :'( :'(
Totally agree Elrick! Beige is also my fav.
I like it a lot too, I really hope that this GB reaches its MOQ, the modifiers set in particular.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 January 2015, 07:30:09
This is a pretty sad state of affairs but you are probably right. I like dolch but beige is definitely my all time favorite scheme too, I'm still pretty surprised at the lack of interest for this GB, especially that god like mod set.I'm not surprised the main set is nowhere near MOQ. I think it's just too odd for most people. The legends are awfully strange, and you don't even have a proper ANSI set due to some of the symbols being deliberately different from modern ANSI.
I am a little surprised the mod set won't hit MOQ though. I guess the legends may have something to do with it again. Ivan, I only just noticed, how come two of the shifts have CP legends rather than CR?
Main set revision will include US and GB keys, and possibly DE, DK, NO, SE too depending on how the pricing looks. It will either get cheaper, or stay about the same as I am either replacing keys or removing them, not adding. All the mod set have black legends except the bonus Esc key which has the CP... any other variation in color is just from the lighting effects they applied to the 3D rendering.
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 19 January 2015, 09:15:56
I think it mostly had to do with too many sets being run around December, an already expensive month.This is a pretty sad state of affairs but you are probably right. I like dolch but beige is definitely my all time favorite scheme too, I'm still pretty surprised at the lack of interest for this GB, especially that god like mod set.I'm not surprised the main set is nowhere near MOQ. I think it's just too odd for most people. The legends are awfully strange, and you don't even have a proper ANSI set due to some of the symbols being deliberately different from modern ANSI.
I am a little surprised the mod set won't hit MOQ though. I guess the legends may have something to do with it again. Ivan, I only just noticed, how come two of the shifts have CP legends rather than CR?
Post by: IPT on Mon, 19 January 2015, 09:27:11
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 09:31:49
I wonder if a classic White on black GMK set would even hit MOQ lol.
I'd buy that and/or a good modifier set in white on black.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 January 2015, 10:04:24
Well if you like sets that miss MOQ then by all means.
Well have a look at the current numbers, are they any better?
If all anyone can afford is just a couple of keys from GMK then FVCKING forget about it >:( . Who the HELL wants to keep buying just a couple of non-descript keys forever from this site?
Far better go in HARD and offer an all in one due to the cheapness offered compared to buying tiny amount of keys that never match to anything, in fact SP now ranges as the BETTER alternative you get FAR more keys at a lower price hence GMK priced themselves out of the market.
I love German made but I now stop at buying small to tiny number of keys because of people/noobs wanting to only spend $20USD on them. If no one is interested in buying an authentic, complete GMK key-set, then why bother posting it here on a continuing basis?
Do you remember the super-set that Ivan tried in late 2013 (I think)? The one that set out to satisfy everyone's needs, with all the international sets. While it was a masterful set, complete with anything anyone would ever want, it didn't succeed. Granted, that had a lot of language sets, so it's a bit different from this set in how it is complete (languages vs layouts), but it is still a good example of a GB trying to please too many groups.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 19 January 2015, 18:24:39
Do you remember the super-set that Ivan tried in late 2013 (I think)? The one that set out to satisfy everyone's needs, with all the international sets. While it was a masterful set, complete with anything anyone would ever want, it didn't succeed. Granted, that had a lot of language sets, so it's a bit different from this set in how it is complete (languages vs layouts), but it is still a good example of a GB trying to please too many groups.
Just want to see at least ONE good GMK - COMPLETE key-set get accepted and made at their factory this year.
Had no idea how this place has become ULTRA conservative now, anything wanting to be made at GMK has to pass the strict protocols of the original text on a 1983 key-set. I thought with all the young noobies here, that a whole new graphical display on these key-sets would be enough to get them to meet the amount needed easily.
Which ever key-set is finally proposed lets hope it meets moq without any misery or hesitation because I doubt Ivan will keep running any more unsuccessful Group Buys here, instead stick with another SP Group Buy instead, they at least always meet moq on this forum :-[ :'( .
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 21:07:57
Remember what happened to Dolch at the first try? tons of keys, high price and GB didn't moved at all, Ivan somehow realized and changed up a bit and the GB went on because there were not extra keys and price was not steep.
Here we are again, same situation as when Dolch first started. Go ahead flame all u want, but at the end of the day results are the same, the GB wont go trough.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 January 2015, 21:12:39
I sort of spoke my mind in the beginning of the GB regarding sets being overboalted with extra keys and high prices, also the all wrong legends issue too. I know I got hate in return, facts are facts and it seems we don't learn from our own mistakes sometimes.
Remember what happened to Dolch at the first try? tons of keys, high price and GB didn't moved at all, Ivan somehow realized and changed up a bit and the GB went on because there were not extra keys and price was not steep.
Here we are again, same situation as when Dolch first started. Go ahead flame all u want, but at the end of the day results are the same, the GB wont go trough.
What you wrote may be true for the full set, but it is not for the modifiers one. Regarding the legends, I partially agree that having some that does not match at all an ANSI layout is not particularly enticing. If that is what you meant.
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 21:13:44
I sort of spoke my mind in the beginning of the GB regarding sets being overboalted with extra keys and high prices, also the all wrong legends issue too. I know I got hate in return, facts are facts and it seems we don't learn from our own mistakes sometimes.
Remember what happened to Dolch at the first try? tons of keys, high price and GB didn't moved at all, Ivan somehow realized and changed up a bit and the GB went on because there were not extra keys and price was not steep.
Here we are again, same situation as when Dolch first started. Go ahead flame all u want, but at the end of the day results are the same, the GB wont go trough.
What you wrote may be true for the full set, but it is not for the modifiers one. Regarding the legends, I partially agree that having some that does not match at all an ANSI layout is not particularly enticing. If that is what you meant.
and how you explain this then? Mod sets - 116
Whats wrong with this pic? We love GMK for the legends first and mostly, then goes the profile, thickness and feel. Maybe I'm wrong, but numbers don't lie....
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 January 2015, 21:38:52
I sort of spoke my mind in the beginning of the GB regarding sets being overboalted with extra keys and high prices, also the all wrong legends issue too. I know I got hate in return, facts are facts and it seems we don't learn from our own mistakes sometimes.
Remember what happened to Dolch at the first try? tons of keys, high price and GB didn't moved at all, Ivan somehow realized and changed up a bit and the GB went on because there were not extra keys and price was not steep.
Here we are again, same situation as when Dolch first started. Go ahead flame all u want, but at the end of the day results are the same, the GB wont go trough.
What you wrote may be true for the full set, but it is not for the modifiers one. Regarding the legends, I partially agree that having some that does not match at all an ANSI layout is not particularly enticing. If that is what you meant.
and how you explain this then? Mod sets - 116
What I said is that your comment is true for the full set, but the case of the modifiers is slightly different as it is not designed to be used as a stand alone set, instead it should be a complement for others, thus cannot be simple defined to its minimum, as it is supposed to serve as many potential users, at least 250, with diverse needs, of course the key here is to balance that goal with its number of keys and its price.
It is obvious the price of the modifiers set may prevent some interested parties to join the GB, authentic GMK adapter sets for classic colors have some demand but current SP made available are around ~35 usd in its basic form with just the bottom row, and some of the >1u modifiers keys, but this set was originally just too large. As you did, I also spoke my mind before suggesting to review the modifiers set to reduce the number of keys and get its price down, however the suggestion made sense until the GB almost reached its deadline with under 50% of the MoQ, and then Ivan was moved to reconsider, and we are now waiting for updated prices.
Post by: honoka on Tue, 20 January 2015, 06:05:40
This is a pretty sad state of affairs but you are probably right. I like dolch but beige is definitely my all time favorite scheme too, I'm still pretty surprised at the lack of interest for this GB, especially that god like mod set.I'm not surprised the main set is nowhere near MOQ. I think it's just too odd for most people. The legends are awfully strange, and you don't even have a proper ANSI set due to some of the symbols being deliberately different from modern ANSI.
I am a little surprised the mod set won't hit MOQ though. I guess the legends may have something to do with it again. Ivan, I only just noticed, how come two of the shifts have CP legends rather than CR?
Main set revision will include US and GB keys, and possibly DE, DK, NO, SE too depending on how the pricing looks. It will either get cheaper, or stay about the same as I am either replacing keys or removing them, not adding. All the mod set have black legends except the bonus Esc key which has the CP... any other variation in color is just from the lighting effects they applied to the 3D rendering.
If language keys were added I think more would actually get in on the set. Myself for instance. I dont mind the pricing but for that kind of monays I would need to be content, which for me means having proper Swedish legends. I hope others agree.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 20 January 2015, 09:05:03
Post by: ideus on Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:54:30
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 21 January 2015, 10:59:56
Thank you for your pessimism though, it pushes us closer to MOQ with every breath.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 21 January 2015, 15:45:29
bazemk, if you read back a few pages you can already see a revised image removing almost all the blank keys.
Thank you for your pessimism though, it pushes us closer to MOQ with every breath.
These sets are awesome just ignore the haters, their opinions do not alter the facts.
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 21 January 2015, 15:52:31
And it edges us ever closer to MOQ. ;)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 23 January 2015, 12:11:08
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I tired pretty hard to keep the amount of keys down, but an increase was unavoidable in the end. If the price becomes too high I will see what I can do to edit it down some again, maybe use more side pad printing. But, before you all start the hate campaign against this idea, just assume the price is about the same as it is now and let me know what you think about it. As it stands it now has support for bitshift, US, GB, Danish, German, Swedish/Finnish and Norwegian... maybe more.
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:01:14
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:12:36
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:12:40
Hmm, I really hate to be negative but I think this was a miss...the market's response calls for a leaner and cheaper set, not an even bigger set. Good luck but I don't think this is going to get you more than 5-10 orders, and might even cause as many dropouts. :(
But as you are such a big expender, according with your own testimony, who cares :thumb: . JJ. This is true, I do not understands Ivan's logic.
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:14:43
Hmm, I really hate to be negative but I think this was a miss...the market's response calls for a leaner and cheaper set, not an even bigger set. Good luck but I don't think this is going to get you more than 5-10 orders, and might even cause as many dropouts. :(
I have to agree.
More keys than standard ANSI 104 + ISO + Tsangan is just too much in my opinion...
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:18:11
How often does this even get offered, that there is other languages... almost never and people still don't want it when it's going to cost a similar price. I don't even.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:25:03
You're German and you don't want German keys?
How often does this even get offered, that there is other languages... almost never and people still don't want it when it's going to cost a similar price. I don't even.
It's because people are cheap. They want this or that key that they need for their specific layout, but don't want the set to be huge and costly. Take my SA-profile Hack'd By Geeks, for example. I included lots of keys to cover many keyboards, and that brought the price to $120. Orders haven't been exactly overwhelming. We will be lucky to break even, much less get anywhere near 250 orders.
More keys than standard ANSI 104 + ISO + Tsangan is just too much in my opinion...
Probably the most logical option. And for the Mod Kit, just offer a pack of what used to be called the "moogle" and "tsangan" kits only. Those used to sell so well in GBs, I never understood why we don't have small packs like that for compatibility with vintage WoB or BoW Cherry sets? Do you really get that many overseas orders, that you need to include other language options and blanks?
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:37:36
You're German and you don't want German keys?
How often does this even get offered, that there is other languages... almost never and people still don't want it when it's going to cost a similar price. I don't even.
I wasn't talking about me. I will order one of everything like I do in all your GMK GBs, but I was thinking about the 249 other orders we need.
It's just too expensive for the average user. Why would any non German want to subsidize German keys?
And I don't need them because I don't look at my keyboard while typing anyway - for me it's all about nice color schemes and high quality key caps.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:48:37
Probably the most logical option. And for the Mod Kit, just offer a pack of what used to be called the "moogle" and "tsangan" kits only. Those used to sell so well in GBs, I never understood why we don't have small packs like that for compatibility with vintage WoB or BoW Cherry sets? Do you really get that many overseas orders, that you need to include other language options and blanks?
Sets do need the the pair of 1.25 blanks at least though.
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:51:06
149 keys in the original vs currently 160 (there are some further non essential keys that could be dropped)... with support for at least 7 different layouts. 4 of those layouts are nearly impossible to find and haven't been made in a decade plus. I have no idea why people wouldn't jump on the opportunity. I'm getting really really really tired of the if it isn't only what I use I'm not going to help anyone else get the things they would use attitude around here. So much for 'community'.Okay first, please Ivan do not think I am trying to be a negative Nancy or condescend or disparage this set or your hard work. We all appreciate what you do and have the highest respect... You are AWESOME, bro. I am just speaking my mind about the economics of group buys...
Having said that.... I am really surprised that after everything, my comment is the one that finally upset you.
Everybody who chimes in saying that they just need x key or y key or they won't buy it...THAT is the behavior that ruins everything for the community.
Compromising on LESS is what everybody needs to do. People with unusual layouts or languages need to chill and realize that US ANSI is about all the market can handle. You can be upset about what I'm saying but it doesn't change the reality...
This is basically tragedy of the commons scenario...something that could be pretty good for everyone (a 104 key plus ISO and Tsangan), ends up becoming ruined (too expensive) because everyone exacts a cost on it (adding more and more keys).
In THEORY you are right that this is an unprecedented chance to get all these layouts. But the economic REALITY is that no matter how much people's wallets are hacked, group buy participation falls sharply as the price passes $120 or so....and honestly I don't believe you can blame anyone for this... no matter how sweet the set is, it just cannot be justified due to opportunity cost...
Also I suspect that the % that will use ANY of the international keys is quite low.... meaning the majority of buyers are expected to subsidize that cost and end up with a lot of pricy, extraneous keys...to my mind that is a misalignment of priorities.
When I revised the TA set with Photekq (still waiting for the new renders) I started on the premise of cutting everything we could and being very stingy with every key, resulting in a smaller but more useful set than we started with...personally I think that is the only successful design philosophy right now.
Now, if to you this set is all about total coverage, I. E. that facet of the GB is just as important as say, the colorway, then do what you have to do...I just think that the market will punish you for it and it will unfortunately fail MOQ.
Just the way I'm seeing it. And please do not think this is only about this GB...I feel the same way about a lot of recent GBS.
Once again thank you for your hard work and please realize I mean no harm with any of this....
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:51:15
Probably the most logical option. And for the Mod Kit, just offer a pack of what used to be called the "moogle" and "tsangan" kits only. Those used to sell so well in GBs, I never understood why we don't have small packs like that for compatibility with vintage WoB or BoW Cherry sets? Do you really get that many overseas orders, that you need to include other language options and blanks?
Sets do need the the pair of 1.25 blanks at least though.
Then we can just do away with the Win keys. I think most people just want a few keys that allow their vintage set to be used on a modern 104/87 keyboard. If OS keys are really a sticking point for most people, then yeah, just go with blanks for those.
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:53:50
Oh, but sets need the HHKB pack...Probably the most logical option. And for the Mod Kit, just offer a pack of what used to be called the "moogle" and "tsangan" kits only. Those used to sell so well in GBs, I never understood why we don't have small packs like that for compatibility with vintage WoB or BoW Cherry sets? Do you really get that many overseas orders, that you need to include other language options and blanks?
Sets do need the the pair of 1.25 blanks at least though.
Oh, but sets need 75% keys...
Oh, but sets need A-profile alternatives...
once you start, it never ends. like I discussed above it is akin to a tragedy of the commons...
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 23 January 2015, 13:56:15
That is a good example of the type of compromise needed...can't agree on one legend? Blank it out. What you should NOT do is add keys.Probably the most logical option. And for the Mod Kit, just offer a pack of what used to be called the "moogle" and "tsangan" kits only. Those used to sell so well in GBs, I never understood why we don't have small packs like that for compatibility with vintage WoB or BoW Cherry sets? Do you really get that many overseas orders, that you need to include other language options and blanks?
Sets do need the the pair of 1.25 blanks at least though.
Then we can just do away with the Win keys. I think most people just want a few keys that allow their vintage set to be used on a modern 104/87 keyboard. If OS keys are really a sticking point for most people, then yeah, just go with blanks for those.
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 23 January 2015, 14:02:17
Unfortunately I think many keys need to be cut to meet MOQ. If I had to prioritize, I would get rid of blanks, then windowed keys, then retro legends, then European language specific legends. I get that the legends are as important as the colorway to the concept of "85|15" but I don't think there is enough interest in the retro aspect of it all.
Post by: madhias on Fri, 23 January 2015, 14:04:40
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 23 January 2015, 14:14:30
I did start taking away some things, but I noticed that if I replace those keys I took away it could support some more languages, then I was like... oh hey if I add these few more keys then there is another few languages. I think that is good. More languages I thought would be better welcomed than a bunch of odd fringe case legend/size combinations.
We've had great success with other 'minority' layouts in the past like Russian... which I assume most people buy only for looks and don't speak Russian. Why does German and Nordic have to be any different if you look at it that way? You get some interesting keys you aren't going to find typically, nice to have for collectors. Even nicer to have for those who really do use it.
Yes, I could just strip it down to be US ANSI only, but then that takes away the whole feeling I was going for.
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 23 January 2015, 14:18:48
Yeah, there's a lot of hard to find stuff there, but hard to find =/= popular.
Post by: pasph on Fri, 23 January 2015, 14:22:09
Why loose your time?
Base=104 ansi set
Mod=moogle + Tsangan + 4 iso keys
And that's all
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 23 January 2015, 15:02:26
Oh, but sets need the HHKB pack...Probably the most logical option. And for the Mod Kit, just offer a pack of what used to be called the "moogle" and "tsangan" kits only. Those used to sell so well in GBs, I never understood why we don't have small packs like that for compatibility with vintage WoB or BoW Cherry sets? Do you really get that many overseas orders, that you need to include other language options and blanks?
Sets do need the the pair of 1.25 blanks at least though.
Oh, but sets need 75% keys...
Oh, but sets need A-profile alternatives...
once you start, it never ends. like I discussed above it is akin to a tragedy of the commons...
The main pack does not have HHKB support or 75% support or extraneous A-profile alternatives (note the lack of B-profile arrow keys). Almost all the keys that people view as unnecessary are for the sake of retro layouts. If we are to maintain the spirit of this GB we shouldn't say "cut out anything non-standard ANSI" - we have to discuss specific keys to remove. I think removing blanks and European keys (or finding a pad printing solution) is a good start although I'm not sure it will be enough.
It sounds like most people view this GB as completely about the colorway. Unfortunately, I believe that is the only perspective we can take if we are to meet MOQ and get anything out of this. All the retro keys should be put in a separate pack/GB and it will be up to the *believers* to convince the others that the retro pack is worth buying. Very likely it will end up the way of the Dolch Odd pack but at least the lack of interest in retro legends won't be obfuscated by possible lack of interest in the colorway itself.
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 23 January 2015, 15:08:31
Post by: Halvar on Fri, 23 January 2015, 15:11:21
So as someone who uses German layout I'll be fully content (actually really happy) if the Mod set gets made. I hope you can redesign/reduce that to a point where more people buy it.
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 23 January 2015, 15:48:35
^ my point was about the slippery slope of saying, ok, let's cut this down to the bare minimum.... and then 10 people request 1-2 keys each...and you're back to where you started.
I understand and agree with your point :). I was merely trying to point out Ivan appears to be cognizant of what you are saying based on the LACK of support for many things people usually request. What a lot of people perceive as extras are pivotal to the retro theme of this set and we're asking Ivan to give up on that vision.
In light of that, I now think the European legends, blank keys and windowed keys could be removed and price re-examined. If after that there is still not enough interest then we may have to give up on the retro theme (or separate it) and treat this GB as just a reverse colorway GB.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 23 January 2015, 16:06:39
As far as the main set... this particular colorway dosen't actually exist at all as far as I know. It's like a mash up of Commodore and Goupil sets. If it comes down to it, that most of the German guys don't care, then that is 4 keys that can be cut no problem.
Then as far as the Nordic stuff... it's about a dozen keys of the additional letters and specific punctuation keys. Maybe some of the punctuation keys could get pad printed on the US/GB shared keys to cut down some? The main reason I chose adding those is most of the numrow from the bitshift layout was already the same.
I already know pulling anything out and putting them in a separate pack would be a totally useless move. For those that do want them it won't improve pricing at all... and clearly none of people that want things for the lowest possible price will be choosing to add them.
As it is I am pretty torn about what to do here. Taking away stuff and changing everything to be modern US ANSI only completely defeats the whole purpose here as far as I am concerned. Current orders are now below 100 so maybe it's just time to say **** it and cancel the whole thing.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 23 January 2015, 17:13:30
Current orders are now below 100 so maybe it's just time to say **** it and cancel the whole thing.
Oh SH1T :'( :'( :'( :'( .
Another brilliant GMK set chucked away like a used condom because some darlings here on this forum can't stand a couple keys....?
Maybe Ivan is right, why even bother to run any type of GMK Group Buys since most here think it's just too expensive, then I hope you all enjoy SP made key-caps for years to come. Nothing wrong with SP made key-sets but many here seem to not like German made originals anymore hence why bother slamming your head against the GH wall on a consistent basis ?
Appreciate all the effort he went through because it won't happen again any time soon, you lot here deserve a great kick up the back side for being so ignorant and cheap on every level, in fact you don't deserve any GMK made key-caps.....ever :thumb: .
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 23 January 2015, 17:40:49
Oh, but sets need the HHKB pack...Probably the most logical option. And for the Mod Kit, just offer a pack of what used to be called the "moogle" and "tsangan" kits only. Those used to sell so well in GBs, I never understood why we don't have small packs like that for compatibility with vintage WoB or BoW Cherry sets? Do you really get that many overseas orders, that you need to include other language options and blanks?
Sets do need the the pair of 1.25 blanks at least though.
Oh, but sets need 75% keys...
Oh, but sets need A-profile alternatives...
once you start, it never ends. like I discussed above it is akin to a tragedy of the commons...
Blank 1.25's instead of the win8 caps would be fine. I just thought there would be a lot of people saying that they didn't want blank win keys.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 23 January 2015, 17:48:28
So... is this even worth trying to salvage?
What can be done to make this 250 orders worthy... besides cutting out EVERYTHING that makes the set concept different and interesting?
How would you feel about this trimmed down version? Best guess is it should be somewhere around €10-15 cheaper than what's in the OP. The EURO IS DOWN right now! it's only at 1 to 1.10!!! That would make this somewhere right around $100 USD. Great time to get this done!
This would be my preference then...
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Otherwise... I have some other ideas so can just cancel this **** and roll on.
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 23 January 2015, 20:42:28
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 January 2015, 21:46:03
Post by: avtar on Fri, 23 January 2015, 22:12:32
How would you feel about this trimmed down version?
I'm down :cool:
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 24 January 2015, 01:13:06
How would you feel about this trimmed down version? Best guess is it should be somewhere around €10-15 cheaper than what's in the OP. The EURO IS DOWN right now! it's only at 1 to 1.10!!! That would make this somewhere right around $100 USD. Great time to get this done!
This would be my preference then...
(Attachment Link)
I'm game on this version as well.
Another thing of note, because I'm stuck here in Convict Town our currency is absolute SH1T worthless compared to the Euro but guess what, I'm still here buying GMK key-sets 8) .
Time to harden up sunshines and stop the whining about expense, come live here in crap town then you've got something to b1tch about pricing, when it comes to key-set purchasing here on Geekhack.
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 24 January 2015, 01:24:25
Ivan would you still run the mod pack if the base pack is cancelled?
I hate to say I've already given up on the main set with only 125 orders originally, and some pulling out to support mods.
I'd love to see the mod kit made.
Post by: tbc on Sat, 24 January 2015, 01:43:11
Post by: Karura on Sat, 24 January 2015, 01:45:42
Post by: honoka on Sat, 24 January 2015, 01:46:44
Ivan would you still run the mod pack if the base pack is cancelled?
I hate to say I've already given up on the main set with only 125 orders originally, and some pulling out to support mods.
I'd love to see the mod kit made.
I wouldn't give up. If Ivan can get the base set down to about $100 I think more people will join. For some obscure reason this seems to be the limit.
I personally don't care if it's $150, as long as it contains the things that I need. Granted, no set can please everyone, but certainly it has to please the buyer.
I'm pretty satisfied with the latest suggestion Ivan. I am a nordic user, and was hoping for some extra characters, but I wont lose sleep over it.
Color pack - Crisp
Mod pack - Too big
Edit: Just saw the revised mod pack, can't complain.
Don't give up Ivan, we need you.
Hugs.
Post by: pasph on Sat, 24 January 2015, 02:17:08
Post by: renne on Sat, 24 January 2015, 03:50:10
thumb.149 keys in the original vs currently 160 (there are some further non essential keys that could be dropped)... with support for at least 7 different layouts. 4 of those layouts are nearly impossible to find and haven't been made in a decade plus. I have no idea why people wouldn't jump on the opportunity. I'm getting really really really tired of the if it isn't only what I use I'm not going to help anyone else get the things they would use attitude around here. So much for 'community'.Okay first, please Ivan do not think I am trying to be a negative Nancy or condescend or disparage this set or your hard work. We all appreciate what you do and have the highest respect... You are AWESOME, bro. I am just speaking my mind about the economics of group buys...
Having said that.... I am really surprised that after everything, my comment is the one that finally upset you.
Everybody who chimes in saying that they just need x key or y key or they won't buy it...THAT is the behavior that ruins everything for the community.
Compromising on LESS is what everybody needs to do. People with unusual layouts or languages need to chill and realize that US ANSI is about all the market can handle. You can be upset about what I'm saying but it doesn't change the reality...
This is basically tragedy of the commons scenario...something that could be pretty good for everyone (a 104 key plus ISO and Tsangan), ends up becoming ruined (too expensive) because everyone exacts a cost on it (adding more and more keys).
In THEORY you are right that this is an unprecedented chance to get all these layouts. But the economic REALITY is that no matter how much people's wallets are hacked, group buy participation falls sharply as the price passes $120 or so....and honestly I don't believe you can blame anyone for this... no matter how sweet the set is, it just cannot be justified due to opportunity cost...
Also I suspect that the % that will use ANY of the international keys is quite low.... meaning the majority of buyers are expected to subsidize that cost and end up with a lot of pricy, extraneous keys...to my mind that is a misalignment of priorities.
When I revised the TA set with Photekq (still waiting for the new renders) I started on the premise of cutting everything we could and being very stingy with every key, resulting in a smaller but more useful set than we started with...personally I think that is the only successful design philosophy right now.
Now, if to you this set is all about total coverage, I. E. that facet of the GB is just as important as say, the colorway, then do what you have to do...I just think that the market will punish you for it and it will unfortunately fail MOQ.
Just the way I'm seeing it. And please do not think this is only about this GB...I feel the same way about a lot of recent GBS.
Once again thank you for your hard work and please realize I mean no harm with any of this....
Post by: Elias Camber on Sat, 24 January 2015, 04:31:35
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 24 January 2015, 16:58:40
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 24 January 2015, 20:48:19
Well hopefully I'll get new pricing with my suggested changes from GMK next week... then we can see what happens.
Always maintain the optimism, which is what separates us all from the lower species......... 8) .
Post by: mickd on Sun, 25 January 2015, 03:53:10
It would have been nice to see this happen, but it's really not looking so good at the moment.
Post by: findingthelimit on Sun, 25 January 2015, 11:10:31
Also, I'm sort of new here, but does that Elrick guy have any friends?
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 25 January 2015, 12:51:17
Also, I'm sort of new here, but does that Elrick guy have any friends?;D Elrick , I would like to have a friend like him, that is one straight forward guy, and with a language to my taste :thumb:
Post by: renne on Sun, 25 January 2015, 18:29:39
Also, I'm sort of new here, but does that Elrick guy have any friends?good point.
Post by: slickmamba on Sun, 25 January 2015, 23:54:38
Post by: ideus on Mon, 26 January 2015, 14:31:36
Down for a mod set with a bit of a price drop. Is hhkb layout still supported?
Yes it does.
Row Units Legend
1 1 \|
2 1.5 Backspace
3 1.75 Control (Full)
3 1.75 Control (Stepped)
4 1 Fn
4 1.75 Shift
4 1 Ctrl
4 1 Alt
4 1 Window
4 1 Blank
4 1.5 Control
4 1.5 Alt
Post by: kekstee on Sat, 31 January 2015, 07:28:46
Post by: ideus on Sat, 31 January 2015, 09:27:50
Post by: monotagary on Sun, 01 February 2015, 12:42:14
Post by: Synjin on Mon, 02 February 2015, 14:39:11
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 02 February 2015, 14:47:02
Grumblegrumble. I should probably join the Mod pack as well. What is our updated count on the pack?
I think it's best to first wait for Ivan to sort out the new layouts and prices before we do number updates. I am sure that orders will change drastically depending on Ivan's update.
Post by: Synjin on Mon, 02 February 2015, 14:48:07
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 February 2015, 07:07:35
Grumblegrumble. I should probably join the Mod pack as well. What is our updated count on the pack?
I think it's best to first wait for Ivan to sort out the new layouts and prices before we do number updates. I am sure that orders will change drastically depending on Ivan's update.
I wonder why the update is taking this long.
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 04 February 2015, 07:35:03
Grumblegrumble. I should probably join the Mod pack as well. What is our updated count on the pack?
I think it's best to first wait for Ivan to sort out the new layouts and prices before we do number updates. I am sure that orders will change drastically depending on Ivan's update.
I wonder why the update is taking this long.
Ivan is wrapping up PBT round 4 I would assume.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 February 2015, 07:36:05
Grumblegrumble. I should probably join the Mod pack as well. What is our updated count on the pack?
I think it's best to first wait for Ivan to sort out the new layouts and prices before we do number updates. I am sure that orders will change drastically depending on Ivan's update.
I wonder why the update is taking this long.
Ivan is wrapping up PBT round 4 I would assume.
Right, that should take most of his time now.
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:43:11
I'm definitely still in for it and some spacebars.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 04 February 2015, 12:24:12
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 February 2015, 16:12:20
GMK still hasn't gotten back to me on my changes pricing.
Thank you for your post, this GB is great, beige is one the nicest color sets from GMK.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 04 February 2015, 19:03:57
GMK still hasn't gotten back to me on my changes pricing.
Thank you for your post, this GB is great, beige is one the nicest color sets from GMK.
Plus it goes with every lighter coloured keyboard that's available out there :thumb: .
It deserves placement within any GON keyboard that was ever made, to fully appreciate the perfection of these key-caps.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 05 February 2015, 07:29:02
GMK still hasn't gotten back to me on my changes pricing.
Thank you for your post, this GB is great, beige is one the nicest color sets from GMK.
Plus it goes with every lighter coloured keyboard that's available out there :thumb: .
It deserves placement within any GON keyboard that was ever made, to fully appreciate the perfection of these key-caps.
By all means that cannot be more truthful. Any serious keyboard aficionado shall have at least one GMK made beige set, and by the way the current and upcoming GMK buys would harm our wallets this year but will feed our inventories with actual collectors items.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 11 February 2015, 12:15:26
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 11 February 2015, 12:25:25
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 11 February 2015, 12:27:08
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 11 February 2015, 12:27:36
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 11 February 2015, 12:33:29
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 11 February 2015, 13:50:25
If you're not sure what you ordered just submit again is the easiest.
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 11 February 2015, 15:53:57
Post by: n7 on Wed, 11 February 2015, 16:44:31
Post by: renne on Wed, 11 February 2015, 21:01:56
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 11 February 2015, 21:34:41
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 February 2015, 18:01:17
Post by: Bencze on Fri, 13 February 2015, 13:06:08
Post by: cooldiscretion on Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:51:19
Post by: ideus on Fri, 13 February 2015, 16:37:39
Post by: honoka on Fri, 13 February 2015, 16:52:17
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 13 February 2015, 19:31:02
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 13 February 2015, 22:11:34
Post by: ideus on Fri, 13 February 2015, 22:24:33
Just ordered 2 of everything here plus a further 4 Spacers, please make that happen Ivan :thumb: .
Deep pockets sir?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 13 February 2015, 23:00:39
Deep pockets sir?
Not really, just love to support Ivan because he started all this GMK craze way back when.
Always support the original Group Buy dealer because when you're a GMK fanatic, you always keep coming back for more (like Crack or weed) 8) .
Post by: renne on Sat, 14 February 2015, 01:43:57
No the color pack was not touched. I only updated it's USD price to reflect the current exchange rate. I hope the USD and EUR are still so close to each other in mid March. Now really is a very good time for US buyers while the rates are so favorably close.Thanks. So I don't have to make any change to my order, still 1 color pack.
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 14 February 2015, 05:42:36
Deep pockets sir?
Not really, just love to support Ivan because he started all this GMK craze way back when.
Always support the original Group Buy dealer because when you're a GMK fanatic, you always keep coming back for more (like Crack or weed) 8) .
Well said. Ivan Is the man.
Post by: Geroximo on Sat, 14 February 2015, 07:11:11
Post by: kekstee on Tue, 17 February 2015, 04:23:32
Post by: ideus on Tue, 17 February 2015, 07:06:01
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 17 February 2015, 11:32:15
The modifier set count is at 160, it is still far from 250, unfortunately.
Yup, but there is still a lot of time until the new deadline. This set just needs some more publicity is all.
I really hope Ivan doesn't just end up sorting spacebars...
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 17 February 2015, 12:00:38
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 17 February 2015, 12:08:19
Ivan, I placed a spacebar order about a week ago and I've yet to receive an invoice. Are they still going out or are you waiting until we hit the new deadline?
He's waiting for the new deadline to send out all invoices at once.
No invoices will go out until we see if anything else makes MOQ, then it will all be done together.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 17 February 2015, 12:39:09
Ivan, I placed a spacebar order about a week ago and I've yet to receive an invoice. Are they still going out or are you waiting until we hit the new deadline?
He's waiting for the new deadline to send out all invoices at once.No invoices will go out until we see if anything else makes MOQ, then it will all be done together.
:thumb:
Post by: bazh on Tue, 17 February 2015, 13:09:14
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 17 February 2015, 13:13:51
I lost my link to edit order so now I just have to put in a new one and the old one will be replaced right?Yup that is correct.
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 18 February 2015, 12:21:06
Post by: Karura on Wed, 18 February 2015, 14:19:39
Post by: Geroximo on Wed, 18 February 2015, 16:31:25
Where is Elrick when you need him ... !?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 20 February 2015, 03:55:13
So many people doubling their order, let's do it people!
Where is Elrick when you need him ... !?
Damn, who wants a smelly, old fart polluting this area of the Forum?
Post by: Karura on Tue, 24 February 2015, 02:10:03
Post by: Karura on Thu, 26 February 2015, 03:12:20
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 26 February 2015, 11:47:55
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 26 February 2015, 11:57:59
Just for your sake, if we don't hit MOQ by the 15th, it might be better to just hold off on space bars and just tack those onto the next GMK GB you do.
Post by: madhias on Thu, 26 February 2015, 15:02:52
Looks like we hit a wall for now. Order amounts have been unchanged for 3 weeks.
I thought to help out with 4 sets, so these should have been added or included to the 110 right now.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 26 February 2015, 15:06:11
Looks like we hit a wall for now. Order amounts have been unchanged for 3 weeks.
It is a shame. On the other hand, it could be the time for some of your other pending projects. Like the RGB on black, or CMY on black modifiers.
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 26 February 2015, 15:41:30
So looking just like spacebars then? That is no fun..
Just for your sake, if we don't hit MOQ by the 15th, it might be better to just hold off on space bars and just tack those onto the next GMK GB you do.
I need dem spacebars.
Post by: Geroximo on Thu, 26 February 2015, 16:08:34
I need dem spacebars.
+1
Post by: ideus on Mon, 02 March 2015, 14:24:04
Post by: Geroximo on Mon, 02 March 2015, 15:59:16
Because if the Mod pack doesn't reach MOQ I would consider getting more spacebars.
Post by: Karura on Mon, 02 March 2015, 16:35:20
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:08:18
Post by: Yslen on Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:09:56
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:10:36
Post by: tjweir on Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:21:36
Anything that makes it will move forward to production. No one thing is dependent on any other. I'm sad the full set, color pack and mods set isn't doing better but it is what it is. If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
NOOOO!
Ivan, don't go!
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 March 2015, 13:24:52
Anything that makes it will move forward to production. No one thing is dependent on any other. I'm sad the full set, color pack and mods set isn't doing better but it is what it is. If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
NOOOO!
Ivan, don't go!
Worry not. His "upcoming" GMK modifier set with RGB legends on black will be a hit. However, nobody knows how it is in his long pipeline of ideas.
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:27:27
Also why wouldn't originative buy in on this to show the community that they're for real.
Randomly opening shop again after a million unfulfilled orders just seems like a scam.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:30:47
Everyone slash their full set and get mod pack to tip.
Also why wouldn't originative buy in on this to show the community that they're for real.
Randomly opening shop again after a million unfulfilled orders just seems like a scam.
Post by: Synjin on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:33:52
Yes resubmit is preferred.Order resubmitted.
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 04 March 2015, 15:42:08
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 04 March 2015, 20:06:58
Resubmitted for a 3rd time, took out the main pack and added another mod pack! :thumb:
Why subtract the main pack from your order?
This is why Ivan's Group Buys fail because you lot start ditching the choices he offers. You jump in all the way and order everything he offers that way the moq is finally met and the Germans will be pleased.
He puts a lot of effort in making a key-set that stands out from the rest yet still makes it look cool to use for decades to come. His Dolch was so successful and yet we still have those that could of participated whining about missing out, that's not right nor is it decent in any respect.
Can understand his frustration because GMK isn't easy to kick-off or meet but if you have people walking away hoping someone else to pick up all the orders then forget it, this has always got to be a team effort in meeting their moq's.
Post by: bueller on Wed, 04 March 2015, 20:10:24
Anything that makes it will move forward to production. No one thing is dependent on any other. I'm sad the full set, color pack and mods set isn't doing better but it is what it is. If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
NOOOO!
Ivan, don't go!
Worry not. His "upcoming" GMK modifier set with RGB legends on black will be a hit. However, nobody knows how it is in his long pipeline of ideas.
Looking forward to the RGB on Black, that will look soooo classy.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 March 2015, 21:41:23
Anything that makes it will move forward to production. No one thing is dependent on any other. I'm sad the full set, color pack and mods set isn't doing better but it is what it is. If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
NOOOO!
Ivan, don't go!
Worry not. His "upcoming" GMK modifier set with RGB legends on black will be a hit. However, nobody knows how it is in his long pipeline of ideas.
Looking forward to the RGB on Black, that will look soooo classy.
Indeed it will, I just hope Ivan does not have a bunch of other ideas before that, he has talked about a set like that for a while so far.
Post by: Karura on Thu, 05 March 2015, 01:36:08
Anything that makes it will move forward to production. No one thing is dependent on any other. I'm sad the full set, color pack and mods set isn't doing better but it is what it is. If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
NOOOO!
Ivan, don't go!
Worry not. His "upcoming" GMK modifier set with RGB legends on black will be a hit. However, nobody knows how it is in his long pipeline of ideas.
Looking forward to the RGB on Black, that will look soooo classy.
Just thought I'd mention this... RGBY.. please Y for the window key. I know not everyone uses it, but it will give us the option for stock keyboards that don't have any other choice.
And PLEASE don't go with the nasty N6 yellow, I think the CV yellow looks a lot more crisp and would have a nicer contrast with Black.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 05 March 2015, 01:48:52
Anything that makes it will move forward to production. No one thing is dependent on any other. I'm sad the full set, color pack and mods set isn't doing better but it is what it is. If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
NOOOO!
Ivan, don't go!
Worry not. His "upcoming" GMK modifier set with RGB legends on black will be a hit. However, nobody knows how it is in his long pipeline of ideas.
I thought it was CMY on black. That was the logic for not changing the mod pack bill was doing to a CMY on Black. RGB, meh, CMY, awesome.
Post by: tbc on Thu, 05 March 2015, 01:54:26
Anything that makes it will move forward to production. No one thing is dependent on any other. I'm sad the full set, color pack and mods set isn't doing better but it is what it is. If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
NOOOO!
Ivan, don't go!
Worry not. His "upcoming" GMK modifier set with RGB legends on black will be a hit. However, nobody knows how it is in his long pipeline of ideas.
Looking forward to the RGB on Black, that will look soooo classy.
Just thought I'd mention this... RGBY.. please Y for the window key. I know not everyone uses it, but it will give us the option for stock keyboards that don't have any other choice.
And PLEASE don't go with the nasty N6 yellow, I think the CV yellow looks a lot more crisp and would have a nicer contrast with Black.
yes pls ylw
Post by: bueller on Thu, 05 March 2015, 02:04:37
Anything that makes it will move forward to production. No one thing is dependent on any other. I'm sad the full set, color pack and mods set isn't doing better but it is what it is. If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
NOOOO!
Ivan, don't go!
Worry not. His "upcoming" GMK modifier set with RGB legends on black will be a hit. However, nobody knows how it is in his long pipeline of ideas.
I thought it was CMY on black. That was the logic for not changing the mod pack bill was doing to a CMY on Black. RGB, meh, CMY, awesome.
I've seen him mention both but I'd be more keen on the RGB legends, the picture he posted ages looked amazing and I've never been a big fan of CMY.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:06:35
RGB, meh, CMY, awesome.
:thumb:
I've never been a big fan of CMY.
:eek: bueller! :'(
Post by: ideus on Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:11:05
Post by: bueller on Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:16:38
RGB, meh, CMY, awesome.
:thumb:I've never been a big fan of CMY.
:eek: bueller! :'(
RGB is so classy doe!
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 05 March 2015, 09:57:00
The colors are only for legends, just in case you are thinking in full color caps instead.
I know it's for the legends. It would make no sense to run CMYK or CMYW again. I just remember people saying Ivan was doing CMY legends when I posted my ideas in bill's thread.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 05 March 2015, 10:32:04
The colors are only for legends, just in case you are thinking in full color caps instead.
I know it's for the legends. It would make no sense to run CMYK or CMYW again. I just remember people saying Ivan was doing CMY legends when I posted my ideas in bill's thread.
Allright!
Post by: naasfu on Sun, 08 March 2015, 06:50:06
Post by: Paranoid on Sun, 08 March 2015, 09:25:32
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 08 March 2015, 11:06:35
I'm curious what some of you are going to do with so many spacebars... building a full scale piano keyboard with them?
Post by: Yslen on Sun, 08 March 2015, 11:25:58
Post by: Synjin on Sun, 08 March 2015, 11:28:17
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 08 March 2015, 14:16:50
If my next idea doesn't make it either I will stop trying.
That would be a shame, but I can see why you are getting frustrated with this.
Doing something that wasn't done before just isn't feasible with GMK's MOQ...
I think Intelli's Triumph Adler set should be the standard for legends and keys included. If you take this and come up with a nice color scheme I am sure it will be just as successful as your Dolch GB.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 08 March 2015, 14:28:40
15th is coming up soon. It's do or die time, no more extending.
I'm curious what some of you are going to do with so many spacebars... building a full scale piano keyboard with them?
+1, the space bars I got in your last space bars GB are sitting somewhere in a box with no use whatsoever.
Post by: azhdar on Sun, 08 March 2015, 14:58:12
ayyy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=63666.0)15th is coming up soon. It's do or die time, no more extending.
I'm curious what some of you are going to do with so many spacebars... building a full scale piano keyboard with them?
+1, the space bars I got in your last space bars GB are sitting somewhere in a box with no use whatsoever.
Post by: monotagary on Sun, 08 March 2015, 15:42:35
Post by: Prelim on Sun, 08 March 2015, 15:53:03
Post by: Karura on Sun, 08 March 2015, 16:38:07
I hope we can make it work!
Post by: tjweir on Sun, 08 March 2015, 16:45:41
This is the make it or break it point, we have to shift our orders from the base kit to the mod pack, or we won't be able to get either of them.
I hope we can make it work!
I agree, I would ask those that are ordering the full set to consider switching to the mod pack so that we at least get something awesome from this GB.
Not trying to be pushy at all, just to consider it.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 08 March 2015, 18:10:57
Added a mod pack to my order and more spacebars, because who ever has enough space bars?
I have one PBT space bar per keyboard I use, that's more than enough, but who cares!, GMK made space bars are too awesome to pass.
Post by: naasfu on Sun, 08 March 2015, 22:33:14
Aren't the spacebars random colours? Buying loads increases the chance of one's you want ;)
this is my reason for ordering more spacebars. i need all the colors. :)
Post by: slickmamba on Sun, 08 March 2015, 22:35:46
Aren't the spacebars random colours? Buying loads increases the chance of one's you want ;)
this is my reason for ordering more spacebars. i need all the colors. :)
I ordered 4, I don't think its enough =/
Post by: bueller on Sun, 08 March 2015, 22:36:05
Aren't the spacebars random colours? Buying loads increases the chance of one's you want ;)
this is my reason for ordering more spacebars. i need all the colors. :)
Yep, they're so cheap that it doesn't bother me that I have like 20 laying around from the last buy. Plus its not like they're available anywhere else regularly, better to stock up when you have the chance.
Post by: slickmamba on Sun, 08 March 2015, 22:42:42
Post by: bueller on Sun, 08 March 2015, 22:43:32
What are the potential spacebar colors?
Pretty much anything in the GMK color wheel. They use up old granulate from other GB's to make the space-bars.
Post by: slickmamba on Sun, 08 March 2015, 22:46:08
What are the potential spacebar colors?
Pretty much anything in the GMK color wheel. They use up old granulate from other GB's to make the space-bars.
ahh so whatever is being made. cmyw! prob too late for hyperfuse stuff?
lets push this back a bit ivan!
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 12 March 2015, 04:48:25
The colors are only for legends, just in case you are thinking in full color caps instead.
I know it's for the legends. It would make no sense to run CMYK or CMYW again. I just remember people saying Ivan was doing CMY legends when I posted my ideas in bill's thread.
FWIW took me six months to get a cMYK set and I want another one...
This is the make it or break it point, we have to shift our orders from the base kit to the mod pack, or we won't be able to get either of them.
I hope we can make it work!
I agree, I would ask those that are ordering the full set to consider switching to the mod pack so that we at least get something awesome from this GB.
Not trying to be pushy at all, just to consider it.
I dropped my main pack for 5 mods. =/ not worth much rly
What are the potential spacebar colors?
Pretty much anything in the GMK color wheel. They use up old granulate from other GB's to make the space-bars.
ahh so whatever is being made. cmyw! prob too late for hyperfuse stuff?
lets push this back a bit ivan!
hyper is still ordering for 3 days
this is too EARLY for hyper stuff
but pushing it back it still right :P
Post by: Halvar on Thu, 12 March 2015, 05:16:53
According to the discussions on DT, it seems like a few people who would be interested in beige mods don't buy the Mod set because they think they'd only need a small and cheaper Moogle kit that they can combine with their old Cherry caps.
It might help the Mod pack if it could be shown that GMK beige and Cherry vintage beige (at least on part of the sets) are actually slightly different, like Ivan suggested they are. So there would be a demonstrable advantage in replacing all the beige caps using this full Mod set instead of using just a Moogle kit.
Post by: Prelim on Thu, 12 March 2015, 05:22:56
Post by: archer on Thu, 12 March 2015, 07:59:25
Post by: Yslen on Thu, 12 March 2015, 08:04:34
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 March 2015, 13:54:26
Post by: taylordcraig on Thu, 12 March 2015, 23:06:14
g80-1800
og desko
cherry thin PBT
GMK beige
for you guys to compare mod colors
Post by: swornxin on Thu, 12 March 2015, 23:17:06
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 March 2015, 23:58:26
Count: (12 MAR)
Full sets - 120
Mod sets - 175
Color pack - 86
Spacebars - 510
« Last Edit: 2015-03-12, 15:13:44 by IvanIvanovich »
Post by: bueller on Fri, 13 March 2015, 00:01:05
Post by: Karura on Fri, 13 March 2015, 00:03:36
Regarding the Mod pack: does someone already have any GMK keys in beige (U9) and can compare the color to a few old cherry sets?
According to the discussions on DT, it seems like a few people who would be interested in beige mods don't buy the Mod set because they think they'd only need a small and cheaper Moogle kit that they can combine with their old Cherry caps.
It might help the Mod pack if it could be shown that GMK beige and Cherry vintage beige (at least on part of the sets) are actually slightly different, like Ivan suggested they are. So there would be a demonstrable advantage in replacing all the beige caps using this full Mod set instead of using just a Moogle kit.
This is exactly opposite of why I want this pack. I have a lot of vintage stuff, 101-key OG dyesubs (pbt) on the way, only missing a few keys to re-adapt to 1800/Lightsaver/whatever layout, and this modpack is crucial for adapting that vintage set to be used with any common layout I could possibly want.
Post by: DanielT on Fri, 13 March 2015, 00:22:42
Yeah I think we should let this go, it's clearly not gonna happen.I think it was a really bad timing :( Too many GMK GB's lately not enough money for all of them :(
Post by: Karura on Fri, 13 March 2015, 00:40:25
Perhaps some of them need a reminder that this group buy is still going on? Cause I know myself, sometimes I don't really check the progress of a group buy until it's over.
Post by: bueller on Fri, 13 March 2015, 00:42:37
If people would give up the base set and pour half of those orders into the modpack, then we can make it happen!
Perhaps some of them need a reminder that this group buy is still going on? Cause I know myself, sometimes I don't really check the progress of a group buy until it's over.
I doubt keeping it open any longer will help. This has been open so long that a bunch of people who did sign up originally have probably dropped out.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 13 March 2015, 00:46:49
If people would give up the base set and pour half of those orders into the modpack, then we can make it happen!
Perhaps some of them need a reminder that this group buy is still going on? Cause I know myself, sometimes I don't really check the progress of a group buy until it's over.
Asking people that needs a full set to buy a modifiers set instead, does not make sense, some may have some use for a mod one, but not all. No matter how much we would like to get the mod set to reach MoQ.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 March 2015, 10:08:15
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 13 March 2015, 10:15:44
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 13 March 2015, 10:20:52
Yeah I think we should let this go, it's clearly not gonna happen.I think it was a really bad timing :( Too many GMK GB's lately not enough money for all of them :(
I don't think that was the main reason.
This set is just too extravagant for the masses. I mean look at the discussion about the win key in the Triumph Adler Interest Check. Such details costs orders!
This set just has too many of those details: The F-Keys, text only legends, etc.
I think most people want a standard ANSI set with Icon + Text legends in a nice color scheme. That's why Hyperfuse is a huge success and that's why the Classic Beige and the Triumph Adler sets will most likely make it.
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 13 March 2015, 11:15:31
Yeah I think we should let this go, it's clearly not gonna happen.I think it was a really bad timing :( Too many GMK GB's lately not enough money for all of them :(
I don't think that was the main reason.
This set is just too extravagant for the masses. I mean look at the discussion about the win key in the Triumph Adler Interest Check. Such details costs orders!
This set just has too many of those details: The F-Keys, text only legends, etc.
I think most people want a standard ANSI set with Icon + Text legends in a nice color scheme. That's why Hyperfuse is a huge success and that's why the Classic Beige and the Triumph Adler sets will most likely make it.
Understandable but if I remember correctly, Ivan was trying to do something a little out of the box and never seen before. Unfortunately it didn't work :(
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 13 March 2015, 11:39:10
Post by: quochung1989 on Fri, 13 March 2015, 12:17:18
Post by: Cafiend on Fri, 13 March 2015, 13:49:06
Post by: ideus on Fri, 13 March 2015, 15:21:01
Indeed, I wanted to do stuff that probably hasn't been made in 25-30 years that is really hard to find. Unfortunately not enough people seem to appreciate it. Next time will be back to standard US layout based set with same key count and price as this one.
Your drive to look for some unique examples of fine key sets is admirable. However, the market rules on what could be actually done. And the market demands common standard layouts.
Post by: Karura on Fri, 13 March 2015, 21:59:06
Post by: ideus on Fri, 13 March 2015, 22:32:09
I'm ready for the RGBY with Black letters :)
It was RGBY legends on black key caps.
Post by: Karura on Sat, 14 March 2015, 01:33:18
I'm ready for the RGBY with Black letters :)
It was RGBY legends on black key caps.
Oh? That might be interesting as well! I'd definitely be 100% down for RGBY with Black legends, since we haven't had a set of those (to pair up with BoW sets), although RGBY legends on Black would pair up nicely with WoB.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 14 March 2015, 11:18:22
Since this one is likely to die, I will be starting new in the next weeks. I know I previously said anything that is above MOQ will go... but I don't want to do spacebar only now and then offer spacebar again next time (specific colors black, cyan, magenta, yellow) so... if nothing else makes it like the MODs pack then this whole thing will be cancelled.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 14 March 2015, 11:21:07
Sorry, but it will be CMY legends on black keycaps next no RGB.
Since this one is likely to die, I will be starting new in the next weeks. I know I previously said anything that is above MOQ will go... but I don't want to do spacebar only now and then offer spacebar again next time (specific colors black, cyan, magenta, yellow) so... if nothing else makes it like the MODs pack then this whole thing will be cancelled.
Those are great colors as well.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 14 March 2015, 11:29:42
I know I previously said anything that is above MOQ will go... but I don't want to do spacebar only now and then offer spacebar again next time (specific colors black, cyan, magenta, yellow) so... if nothing else makes it like the MODs pack then this whole thing will be cancelled.
Fair enough :(
As always I will order one of everything from your next GMK GB :thumb:
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 14 March 2015, 12:17:33
Sorry, but it will be CMY legends on black keycaps next no RGB.
Since this one is likely to die, I will be starting new in the next weeks. I know I previously said anything that is above MOQ will go... but I don't want to do spacebar only now and then offer spacebar again next time (specific colors black, cyan, magenta, yellow) so... if nothing else makes it like the MODs pack then this whole thing will be cancelled.
Fair enough.
Primed to add my order for CMYonK.
Post by: slickmamba on Sat, 14 March 2015, 12:45:32
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 14 March 2015, 12:58:22
Sorry, but it will be CMY legends on black keycaps next no RGB.That's a shame but completely understandable. And it might give you some breathing room with the other GBs that are still running.
Since this one is likely to die, I will be starting new in the next weeks. I know I previously said anything that is above MOQ will go... but I don't want to do spacebar only now and then offer spacebar again next time (specific colors black, cyan, magenta, yellow) so... if nothing else makes it like the MODs pack then this whole thing will be cancelled.
Looking forward to seeing mockups of CMY on blacK. :thumb:
... and new colours for the spacebars of course. ;)
If those mods have similar keys as the last few CMY mod packs (CMYK (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41017) and CMYW (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54039.0)) they should be very interesting additions for people that have Cherry WoB G81 sets that lack usable keys for the bottom rows.
Post by: SL89 on Sat, 14 March 2015, 13:01:55
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 14 March 2015, 13:12:30
Order placed, if only to help numbers. And i bumped the thread on DT. I'm really keen on this set and Photekq's similar one. I hope one of them hits MOQ.Sorry man:
Sorry, but it will be CMY legends on black keycaps next no RGB.
Since this one is likely to die, I will be starting new in the next weeks. I know I previously said anything that is above MOQ will go... but I don't want to do spacebar only now and then offer spacebar again next time (specific colors black, cyan, magenta, yellow) so... if nothing else makes it like the MODs pack then this whole thing will be cancelled.
Post by: SL89 on Sat, 14 March 2015, 13:38:18
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 15 March 2015, 10:58:22
Thanks for your support on trying to make this happen. I hope you will support the next one as well which will be cyan/magenta on black keys full set US layout, Spanish sub layout side printed. CMYKv2 color legends on black keys. White/black bare essentials patch kit for making compatible existing common sets from MY7000/MY8000/11900/1800/etc. Spacebars in black, cyan, magenta and yellow.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 15 March 2015, 11:07:44
Since it doesn't look like any of the kits are going to make the MOQ, I will be cancelling this whole thing. Since I will be turning around to start a new different buy in the next weeks I will wait to do the spacebars too along with the new offerings.
Thanks for your support on trying to make this happen. I hope you will support the next one as well which will be cyan/magenta on black keys full set US layout, Spanish sub layout side printed. CMYKv2 color legends on black keys. White/black bare essentials patch kit for making compatible existing common sets from MY7000/MY8000/11900/1800/etc. Spacebars in black, cyan, magenta and yellow.
Sounds good :thumb:
I will definitely participate again :)
Post by: ideus on Sun, 15 March 2015, 11:08:34
Since it doesn't look like any of the kits are going to make the MOQ, I will be cancelling this whole thing. Since I will be turning around to start a new different buy in the next weeks I will wait to do the spacebars too along with the new offerings.
Thanks for your support on trying to make this happen. I hope you will support the next one as well which will be cyan/magenta on black keys full set US layout, Spanish sub layout side printed. CMYKv2 color legends on black keys. White/black bare essentials patch kit for making compatible existing common sets from MY7000/MY8000/11900/1800/etc. Spacebars in black, cyan, magenta and yellow.
How we could not support your ideas Ivan. All the way with you.
Post by: quochung1989 on Sun, 15 March 2015, 11:25:37
Since it doesn't look like any of the kits are going to make the MOQ, I will be cancelling this whole thing. Since I will be turning around to start a new different buy in the next weeks I will wait to do the spacebars too along with the new offerings.
Thanks for your support on trying to make this happen. I hope you will support the next one as well which will be cyan/magenta on black keys full set US layout, Spanish sub layout side printed. CMYKv2 color legends on black keys. White/black bare essentials patch kit for making compatible existing common sets from MY7000/MY8000/11900/1800/etc. Spacebars in black, cyan, magenta and yellow.
Can you add White spacebar?
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 15 March 2015, 11:32:45