Green QF Rapids & Triggers in Stock

[IlikeGravy]

Don't greens require like 4000 pounds of force? lololol

[AKIMbO]

Second day impressions.  The switches seem to be lightening up a tad...maybe the switches are actually lightening up or maybe my fingers are getting more used to the amount of force required .  This board is uber quiet for a cherry board.  It almost sounds like a floss modded buckling spring...albeit the click is still higher pitched on the QFR.

[wetto]

Don't greens require like 4000 pounds of force? lololol

Thing is, if less necessary force really meant "better keyboard", smartphones would have the best keyboards in the world. And we all know that's the biggest bull**** ever.

[rowdy]

^ no tactile feedback.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Feels more akin to xm whites than any other switch I've tried.  Way heavier than complicated blue alps.

That's pretty damning. I would have thought that the Cherry MX force curve would make them feel significantly more comfortable than XM though.

How long until there's an ISO board with greens?

[AKIMbO]

^They are more comfortable than XMs for sure...but the tactile/clicky point in the switch is located very high up in the switch (ie. the tactile bump/clicky bump occurs much sooner...near the top of the key stroke...when compared to cherry blues, browns, etc.).

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Annoyingly, not turning up any photos of a green stem right now — must be shaped differently.

[dorkvader]

Annoyingly, not turning up any photos of a green stem right now — must be shaped differently.

I have some pictures, Green stems were identical to blues.
http://s92.beta.photobucket.com/user/dork_vader/library/Keyboards

I'm missing mine: Still having to use the scissors on my laptop. 'course Fujitsu scissor switches are the best, IMO, so it's not as bad as it could be, but I'm still missing it.

[Sifo]

lol typing on ghetto greens from typing on blues for months... my wpm dropped by 15 and I'm having a very hard time at work. I don't like so far Thought it'd be a good idea since everyone was getting QFR's with greens in them

[OrangeJewce]

^They are more comfortable than XMs for sure...but the tactile/clicky point in the switch is located very high up in the switch (ie. the tactile bump/clicky bump occurs much sooner...near the top of the key stroke...when compared to cherry blues, browns, etc.).

I hadn't thought about this, but using these switches has trained me really really well for typing on mx reds, because you need to apply just enough force to actuate on the greens, but not bottom out (it sounds awful if you bottom out on those to me), and for that reason it has significantly reduced the amount of bottoming out that I do on my mx reds.

Cheers,

[Daniel Beardsmore]

I have some pictures, Green stems were identical to blues.
http://s92.beta.photobucket.com/user/dork_vader/library/Keyboards

Weird, so the tactile position changes just from having a stiffer spring?

[Mur]

Can someone please direct me to some force graphs for this new Cherry Green switch?

And also for Clear, Milk and the proposed new Purple?

Help me please I need infos!

I have studied force graphs for Black, Blue, Brown and Red many times.  I need to learn about all these newfangled switches coming out.

Purposed purple switch? Please do tell

[alaricljs]

Purple is the rumored factory spec ergo clear

[AKIMbO]

Ok, here's my final update. 

I don't think the switches will be breaking in anymore.  I did put thick original, cherry doubleshot keycaps on my QFR with greens and it makes a world of difference in terms of key feel.  It feels like it lightens the switches just a tad and evens out the force required.  Using the stock keycaps, it felt like some switches required a tad more force to actuate but once I changed to the cherry keycaps every switch feels damn near uniform. 

All in all, cherry mx green switches are definitely an awesome cherry switch...honestly, they are probably my favorite cherry switch (though I've yet to try mx whites).  However, a buckling spring equivalent they are not.

TL;DR: MX Greens rock with cherry/imsto thick keycaps....with thin keycaps they are just alright.   

[MMB]

You need to lube them up, AkimBRO.

[AKIMbO]

You need to lube them up, AkimBRO.

I wonder how much of a difference that would make.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I hate mx greens.  On the contrary, they are really fun.  They just aren't anywhere near as smooth as buckling springs and I find the comparison of them to buckling springs completely off base.  They are more akin to alps for me.  The tactile bump is much higher up on the switch than it is on blues; so high up it feels damn near like alps. Except the switch doesn't just drop effortlessly and bottom out once you go past the actuation point.  MX greens push back after actuation, unlike alps which imo do not.  Maybe the mx blue/mx green tactility distinction I'm feeling is completely psychosomatic.

[rknize]

In Cherry MX terms, greens can somewhat replicate the buckling spring experience.  If you can live without the click, then the "ergo clear" is about the closest *feel* to a buckling spring in my opinion.  I also have a Leopold FC200, which has blue stems and clear springs.  I would say that the real greens are heavier than these, but also quieter.  The sound difference might be from the key cap.

I don't have much experience with Alps, so I can't really comment there.  You can't really replicate the complete buckling spring experience with a switch that has a linear spring under it.  You don't get that satisfying relief when the spring force suddenly goes away, no matter how big the tactile bump is.

The greens get a little tiring to type on for me, like the MX clear, but I have zero mistypes.  I can see how heavy typists would like them.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Except the switch doesn't just drop effortlessly and bottom out once you go past the actuation point.  MX greens push back after actuation, unlike alps which imo do not.

Like with clears, you mean? That push back is what makes clears a bit annoying.

I get the impression that the spring on blue Alps is really light, something like 45 cN. The click leaf increases the tactility significantly. It's a difficult balance that the clone makers tended to bodge.

[Capitalistix]

Mine came in the other day and all I can say is "wow". I have a Razer BWU and through it I learned to hate, no, loathe, MX blues. They felt like complete crap to me. So incredibly light they would actuate on accident from my big fingers sliding by one. They are what drove me toward BS, and I LOVE IBM BS. In taking this leap and buying this board, I origonally felt like I wouldn't like them much because their stats look so similar to blues, other than a somewhat greater amount of force required. Well, after using this board, Im not sure if thats the only difference. They feel so solid and, like, heartily tactile. I feel like Im just crunchin' this text out as Im typin' it and it feels so satisfying. Also I dont even feel any fatigue at all, so theyre not bad and certainly no worse than BS keys in that sense. In short, imho, if anyone perusing this thread is on the fence about this board (assuming they're still available) and has an aversion to blues because of easy actuation and a cheap feel, don't be put off of this board, it's totally awesome, coming from someone who almost renounced MX's forever in favor of BS. It has DEFINITELY become my daily typer!

[rowdy]

You'll probably also find a fair amount of difference between the BWU and the QFR (even if you try QFR with blues).

[Capitalistix]

You think so? Is that just build quality, or the particular way the BWU is designed/engineered? I'd probably believe it on the quality standpoint. I saw the QFR is Taiwanese in origin as opposes to mainland China, and usually Taiwan made items are of a higher caliber from my personal experience. Everyone seems to hate on the BWU but in its defense it seems pretty sturdy as far as flexing and stability goes, perhaps they didnt tack on the cherry switches well or something?

[vun]

You think so? Is that just build quality, or the particular way the BWU is designed/engineered? I'd probably believe it on the quality standpoint. I saw the QFR is Taiwanese in origin as opposes to mainland China, and usually Taiwan made items are of a higher caliber from my personal experience. Everyone seems to hate on the BWU but in its defense it seems pretty sturdy as far as flexing and stability goes, perhaps they didnt tack on the cherry switches well or something?

Also flimsy caps. The QFR caps are pretty darn good, actually. I like them better than the ones you get on a Filco, although the font is uglier.

[VesperSAINT]

You think so? Is that just build quality, or the particular way the BWU is designed/engineered? I'd probably believe it on the quality standpoint. I saw the QFR is Taiwanese in origin as opposes to mainland China, and usually Taiwan made items are of a higher caliber from my personal experience. Everyone seems to hate on the BWU but in its defense it seems pretty sturdy as far as flexing and stability goes, perhaps they didnt tack on the cherry switches well or something?

I think different build qualities and keycaps make a huge difference on how the Cherry MX blue feels. I don't know much about where each component comes from but I've used 5 different Cherry MX blue keyboards (Ducky, Leopold, QFR (Costar), BWU (iOne) and XArmor(iOne)) and they have all felt different in terms of how the switch itself felt. The iOne produced BWU and XArmor felt absolutely terrible compared to the others. The actuation of the switch felt cheap and ridiculously light and gritty and the keycaps are horrid. Don't ask me to explain; it's just the way it felt for me. The Leopold has a nice weight and the actuation feels solid but the stock keycaps give it a cheap sound/feel when bottoming out. The Ducky and CM QFR (I only got to type on the QFR with PBT caps) feel the stiffest (Ducky being slightly stiffer but this may be because it's an older keyboard) and the actuation seems most crisp. My Ducky DK9008 seem to be the older sky blue switches and the actuation is just perfectly crisp and smooth all throughout (can't say the same about the body build quality of the top cover of board).

I think the Cherry MX blue switch feels amazing with the right keyboard and are perfect for typing.
I decided to go with the Ducky DK9008G2 Pro Limited Edition PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Green Cherry MX) instead of the CM QFR with Greens, and I'm terribly excited to see how they compare to the the blue switches. I expect great things

http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=199

[AKIMbO]

You think so? Is that just build quality, or the particular way the BWU is designed/engineered? I'd probably believe it on the quality standpoint. I saw the QFR is Taiwanese in origin as opposes to mainland China, and usually Taiwan made items are of a higher caliber from my personal experience. Everyone seems to hate on the BWU but in its defense it seems pretty sturdy as far as flexing and stability goes, perhaps they didnt tack on the cherry switches well or something?

I think different build qualities and keycaps make a huge difference on how the Cherry MX blue feels. I don't know much about where each component comes from but I've used 5 different Cherry MX blue keyboards (Ducky, Leopold, QFR (Costar), BWU (iOne) and XArmor(iOne)) and they have all felt different in terms of how the switch itself felt. The iOne produced BWU and XArmor felt absolutely terrible compared to the others. The actuation of the switch felt cheap and ridiculously light and gritty and the keycaps are horrid. Don't ask me to explain; it's just the way it felt for me. The Leopold has a nice weight and the actuation feels solid but the stock keycaps give it a cheap sound/feel when bottoming out. The Ducky and CM QFR (I only got to type on the QFR with PBT caps) feel the stiffest (Ducky being slightly stiffer but this may be because it's an older keyboard) and the actuation seems most crisp. My Ducky DK9008 seem to be the older sky blue switches and the actuation is just perfectly crisp and smooth all throughout (can't say the same about the body build quality of the top cover of board).

I think the Cherry MX blue switch feels amazing with the right keyboard and are perfect for typing.
I decided to go with the Ducky DK9008G2 Pro Limited Edition PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Green Cherry MX) instead of the CM QFR with Greens, and I'm terribly excited to see how they compare with the the blue switches. I expect great things

http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=199

Cool...please give us your impressions once the keyboard arrives.

[VesperSAINT]

Cool...please give us your impressions once the keyboard arrives.

Will do~ Do people care for unboxing vids on this forum or are pictures enough? Never done an unboxing video but was tempted to make one for this keyboard

[VesperSAINT]

I posted my first impressions on my Ducky DK9008 Pro Limited Edition Cherry MX green switches in this thread:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37557.msg723757#msg723757

Didn't want to copy paste the same post in this thread but here's a sneak peek pic

[Zokudu]

I've gone back to my Filco with Browns. Do everyones greens sound the same? My D key lacks a good click to it while my Q and R are really satisfying in regards to the click I get when pessing it. THe variety in the switches I was feeling was getting to me and I couldn't use it without getting annoyed at that D key.

[rknize]

One of the blue switches in my original Poker was like that.  I moved the stem to right-shift so it wouldn't bug me.

[rowdy]

I've got a slight variation in click in several keys on my Ducky Shine with MX blues.  Not greens, I know, but the same clicking mechanism.  The up arrow for example hardly clicks at all.

[OrangeJewce]

I've gone back to my Filco with Browns. Do everyones greens sound the same? My D key lacks a good click to it while my Q and R are really satisfying in regards to the click I get when pessing it. THe variety in the switches I was feeling was getting to me and I couldn't use it without getting annoyed at that D key.

I think that the keycaps are the culprit here. There is a significant sound difference between the craptastic standard ones and the cherry replica's from the red gb.

Cheers,

[dorkvader]

I have some pictures, Green stems were identical to blues.
http://s92.beta.photobucket.com/user/dork_vader/library/Keyboards

Weird, so the tactile position changes just from having a stiffer spring?

My CMstorm with greens actuates where it should (the same as blues, or any cherry MX keyswitch). I believe they were talking about ALPS. I only have my Monterey blue Siig minitouch for ALPS< but I will agree that it seems to actuate a little higher than I'm used to. I also don't like the lower key travel of ALPS, but that's just me.

Maybe people just feel it differently than me? I'm pretty used to Buckling springs, so I am accustomed to the higher forces of greens.