[IC] GMK Serika 2

[Zambumon]

The beige and yellow set is back for a second iteration with greater layout support, revamped novelties, and two full-size core kits with either Hiragana or Latin only alphas.

Group Buy Thread

Where To Buy

🇦🇺 Australia -  Daily Clack
🇨🇦 Canada - Desk Hero
🇸🇬 Southeast Asia - ILUMKB
🇺🇸 USA - Novelkeys_
🇪🇺 Europe - Oblotzky Industries
🇨🇳 China - Zfrontier
🇨🇳 International - Zfrontier

Timeline

Orders will open on December 3rd, 2020, and will close on January 7th, 2021.
Estimated shipping date: Q3 2021 (on or before October 31st, 2021)





Proposed Kits



The Hiragana and Latin Core kits are your starting point and provide basic layout coverage for 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL, 96-key, 1800, and full-size layouts
in both standard and winkeyless variants for both ANSI and ISO layouts, all of that while keeping in mind affordability.



The Macro Expansion add-on kit extends the Core’s layout coverage and provides support for 660-like keyboards (2.25U Shift), standalone numpads
(double zero and equals key), ergonomic and split keyboards (split space bars and a second B), 88-key tenkeyless boards (F13), 60% keyboards
with arrows (2.00U and 1.00U Shift) and extended boards such as the ION Zenith (M1-M10 keys).

Additionally, the kit also includes alternative layout modifiers for HHKB, tenkeyless, and other standard layouts.




The Forties extension kit adds layout support for small form factor and ortholinear keyboards such as the OLKB Planck, ION × AI03 Equinox, or AE × Percebe.

The kit includes accent Enter and Esc keys, 1.00C to 2.75C space bars, and some alternate layout support for ortholinear keyboards.



The International kit provides full layout coverage for Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian, Swedish, and UK ISO keyboards.




The Geometries kit is a small kit with geometric novelties and accent arrow keys.




The Space Bars kit includes accent space keys from 1.00C to 7.00C for both standard, split, and 40% keyboards.

RW × Serika Novelty Keycap



Produced by RAMA WORKS®
Cherry profile row 1 (Esc key)
Compatible with MX style switches
BEAM finish (Polished Anodized Aluminium). Enamel infill


Salvun × Serika Novelty Keycaps



Produced by Salvun in Belgium
Cherry profile row 1 (Esc key)
Compatible with MX style switches
Made of brass, cerakoted, then laser etched and clear coated.

Deskmats

Serika Deskmat



Hexagon Dark



Hexagon Light



Pricing



Gallery

ION Zenith


Zambumon Fisterra


TGR Alice


Keycult No.2/TKL

Zambumon Sar

Technical Specs

• Made in Germany by GMK electronic design GmbH
• Cherry profile (1-1-2-3-4-4)
• Compatible with MX style switches
• 1.5mm thick double-shot ABS plastic

Disclaimers

• Kindly note that the images are of 3D renders and are for illustration purposes only. The final colors may differ slightly.
  
• Keyboards are shown for demonstrative purposes only and are not included with the purchase of these keycaps.
  
• For additional updates push notifications regarding this project, please join the Discord server and type in #bot-spam !join gmk-serika. All updates on this thread will be posted there too.
  

[Zambumon]

Sam

[Puddsy]

i love zambumon

[KebinPls]

sweet, serika will be affordable again! dope set zambu

[of_sam]

Unbelievably lit!

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Thank you for macro keys!

[Dotnick]

Yes.

[cijanzen]

[Kawamashi]

Cries in micons

[krautcat]

Nice.

[CardinalityTV]

Beautiful stuff as always, Zambumon.

[yenel]

Loving the macro expansion kit and f13 support!

[Dorney]

Yes.

[Bachoo]

Insta cop 

[Cahuib23]

I usually don't like yellow, but Serika makes it look great!  + those artisans are amazing! nice job!

[powwu]

oh no how will I sell rare set on mechmarket for $700 now

[Coneree]

coppin that latin kit! Nice work!

[martensson]

Joined R1 GB, then sold it, regretted it, and will join R2 again now. Will not do the same mistake twice.

[Pwner]

Looks promising

[Puddsy]

Looks promising

agree i think this set has some good potential

[Zambumon]

If anyone wants a render of GMK Serika on a pink Alice keyboard, go ahead and ask Puddsy.

[whirlwind]

Nice

[Hyphen]

I've been waiting for this!

[hotnoodle666]

Y E A H ! ! !

[LONGZILLA]

Eagerly been waiting for this

[bball2]

Definitely in for a set! Loving the rama cap as well 

[FireLock]

NorDe.. THANK YOU!

And the 660 type support is really appreciated!

[VXQN]

No micons and no penrose triangle

[ilikerustoo]

I'm in

[keeganzero]

Aw ****, here we go again.

[Puddsy]

If anyone wants a render of GMK Serika on a pink Alice keyboard, go ahead and ask Puddsy.

imagine me owning a keyset with legends couldn't be me

[Zambumon]

No micons and no penrose triangle

- I don't want to include any alternate modifiers kits and instead focus on offering more layout support for the two core kits and the extension kits. Having those alternate modifiers would end up with partial layout support which is something I actively want to avoid.
- I wasn't happy with how the prior novelties looked when installed on a keyboard and when I made MT3 Serika I decided to update them not only to make them more proportional to the rest of the modifiers but to match my current logo and I'm really happy with how they look now.

[konstantin]

Hi there, please consider using the correct sublegends on the 0)をわ and -_ほー keys. They should look like this:



Note the regular size を (small を doesn't exist in hiragana) and the additional ー (which is a Japanese prolonged sound mark, not a regular dash). With this change, your set will have correct support for standard ANSI-based JP layouts (reference). See sets like GMK βeta, GMK Bentō R2, GMK Mecha-01, GMK JIS for examples of this in action.

It would also be nice to see the R4 \¦む and \¦ keys changed to R4 <> so that ISO users don't get duplicate keys.

Your kitting looks good, although I'm not a big fan of bundling the macro keys with the extension kit.

Edit: fixed link
Edit2: just noticed that one of the board renders already has the correct size を, so I guess you might have already planned on fixing these

[sirieous]

Been keen for this set to return for the longest time. Nice to see that it's finally time.

[darthcapn]

Have been waiting for this! In!!

Sent from my SM-G988U using Tapatalk

[harlekein]

I'm just here to watch the /r/mm inflation crash.

[Zambumon]

I'm just here to watch the /r/mm inflation crash.

This is not the place to watch that.

Hi there, please consider using the correct sublegends on the 0)をわ and -_ほー keys. They should look like this:

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Note the regular size を (small を doesn't exist in hiragana) and the additional ー (which is a Japanese prolonged sound mark, not a regular dash). With this change, your set will have correct support for standard ANSI-based JP layouts (reference). See sets like GMK βeta, GMK Bentō R2, GMK Mecha-01, GMK JIS for examples of this in action.

It would also be nice to see the R4 \¦む and \¦ keys changed to R4 <> so that ISO users don't get duplicate keys.

Your kitting looks good, although I'm not a big fan of bundling the macro keys with the extension kit.

Edit: fixed link
Edit2: just noticed that one of the board renders already has the correct size を, so I guess you might have already planned on fixing these

As you have pointed out, some of the renders (the ones with Sar) address your を concern. This is because, with the launch of Sar, I have been migrating all my renders from one engine to another as well as remaking all the assets and tweaking legends to be more accurate to what they really should be. I'll most likely update the renders and add ー later this week.



There are some tweaks that I want GMK to do for GMK Serika and future Latin + Hiragana keycap sets, I don't want to go into lots of details but here is what I'd like to do:

1. Fix the num row to make it consistent with the rest of the sets: the numbers and symbols must have the exact same size and position as its Latin counter part.
2. Actually using the Cherry legends, which is very noticeable with ~, some of the alphas (Z, X, O...), other punctuation marks such comma, dot, <, >, ? and significantly the brackets and braces. This is something that for the first round or Striker wasn't able to fix and I'd really like to change for this round.

A side by side comparison makes those issues more noticeable:

[konstantin]

There are some tweaks that I want GMK to do for GMK Serika and future Latin + Hiragana keycap sets, I don't want to go into lots of details but here is what I'd like to do:

1. Fix the num row to make it consistent with the rest of the sets: the numbers and symbols must have the exact same size and position as its Latin counter part.
2. Actually using the Cherry legends, which is very noticeable with ~, some of the alphas (Z, X, O...), other punctuation marks such comma, dot, <, >, ? and significantly the brackets and braces. This is something that for the first round or Striker wasn't able to fix and I'd really like to change for this round.

A side by side comparison makes those issues more noticeable:

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These are some very welcome changes, and you have my full support. Just like the を and missing ー, the sizing inconsistencies of primary and secondary legends on the number and punctuation keys are something that has been bothering me ever since GMK Laser R1 and GMK Serika R1 first ran. However, this has always been too large of a change to reasonably ask for in ICs, so I am glad that one designer is finally taking it upon themselves to see this corrected for future sets. Massive props for that. Your efforts will not go unappreciated, especially by those who of us who care about minute legending details like this a whole lot.

As you have pointed out, some of the renders (the ones with Sar) address your を concern. This is because, with the launch of Sar, I have been migrating all my renders from one engine to another as well as remaking all the assets and tweaking legends to be more accurate to what they really should be. I'll most likely update the renders and add ー later this week.

Sounds good, thank you.

[Oblotzky]

Always love when new designers enter the hobby and create great stuff  wishing you the best with this project! I'll be picking up at least one set, that's for sure.

[LightningXI]

Always love when new designers enter the hobby and create great stuff  wishing you the best with this project! I'll be picking up at least one set, that's for sure.

Who's that Zambumon guy in your signature? New guy too?

[VXQN]

No micons and no penrose triangle

- I don't want to include any alternate modifiers kits and instead focus on offering more layout support for the two core kits and the extension kits. Having those alternate modifiers would end up with partial layout support which is something I actively want to avoid.
- I wasn't happy with how the prior novelties looked when installed on a keyboard and when I made MT3 Serika I decided to update them not only to make them more proportional to the rest of the modifiers but to match my current logo and I'm really happy with how they look now.

Absolutely fair enough on both counts, those were just my favourite parts of serika R1 so I'm sad to see them go (mostly I just want a dang micon mod set).

[Zambumon]

Updated renders.

[manzel]

Exciting to hear about the planned changes to make all the legends consistent. This always bothered me on R1. Now, you are really making me think to get the second iteration as well. Which makes me come to my issues with that:

1. As much as I prefer the clean look of numpads without sublegends, next to the busy alphas of the Hiragana Core it looks out of place. Have you thought about offering numpad sublegends in the Hiragana Core, while keeping the clean look in the Latin Core?
2. Really no option for mod-colored tilde and pipe at all?
3. I am always a fan of big base kits and liked the R1 base better for that reason. But this is just how times have changed, I guess. At least the removed stuff (1.5u Codes, stepped Ctrl, additional Shifts, additional nav cluster rows) is still available in the expansion kit.

[bball2]

2. Really no option for mod-colored tilde and pipe at all?

+1 for this request as well! 

I always like having the option to keep things looking a bit more symmetrical left to right with this.

[Zambumon]

Exciting to hear about the planned changes to make all the legends consistent. This always bothered me on R1. Now, you are really making me think to get the second iteration as well. Which makes me come to my issues with that:

1. As much as I prefer the clean look of numpads without sublegends, next to the busy alphas of the Hiragana Core it looks out of place. Have you thought about offering numpad sublegends in the Hiragana Core, while keeping the clean look in the Latin Core?
2. Really no option for mod-colored tilde and pipe at all?
3. I am always a fan of big base kits and liked the R1 base better for that reason. But this is just how times have changed, I guess. At least the removed stuff (1.5u Codes, stepped Ctrl, additional Shifts, additional nav cluster rows) is still available in the expansion kit.

1. The reason why I started dropping those legends on my most recent sets (Nautilus 2, Lux, and now Serika 2) is that I really like the EXT 65 mirrored numpad and having sublegends makes the 4 and 6 numbers have the arrows pointing inwards. Removing them solved that issue and I think it's a reasonable compromise. I have no plans to offer an alternate set of numpad alphas or having different numpads for each of the base kits.




2. Yes.
3. This is always a game of balancing layout support and pricing. Core kits will be $110/115€

[manzel]

That is indeed a reasonable argument for the numpad without sublegends. Thanks for explaining.

[lac29]

Kinda a separate question but do ppl really use the numpad with the reversed numbering? I get the reverse other keys but I would imagine that's quite difficult to get used to.

[noorejji]

On one hand I want Zambumon to re-run old classics.
On the other hand I want Zambumon to create new classics.

[dom]

On one hand I want Zambumon to re-run old classics.
On the other hand I want Zambumon to create new classics.

Same feelings here ... especially for the GMK Jamón 

[Pach]

It's finally time

[Zambumon]

Deskmats

Serika



Hexagon Dark



Hexagon Light

[alwaysbless]

Looking great! Id also like to say GMK Striker R2 PLEASE. Thanks!

[Zambumon]

Looking great! Id also like to say GMK Striker R2 PLEASE. Thanks!

No.

This is not the place. This is the GMK Serika 2 thread.

[dallman5]

1. Fix the num row to make it consistent with the rest of the sets: the numbers and symbols must have the exact same size and position as its Latin counter part.
2. Actually using the Cherry legends, which is very noticeable with ~, some of the alphas (Z, X, O...), other punctuation marks such comma, dot, <, >, ? and significantly the brackets and braces. This is something that for the first round or Striker wasn't able to fix and I'd really like to change for this round.

Thank you! This has been the one thing that's bothered me whenever I see the Latin + Hiragana sets in person, very glad to hear its being addressed.

[iamtienng]

uppppp

[ThePanduuh]

WEEBS OUT

[Pluto19]

Like

[Fearian]

This design looks really cool.

I think you have included incorrect ISO keys however.  The row 4 "\ |" is included... and then duplicated in row 3 to fill the spot next to the enter key. This should be "# ~". You have included a "#~" ley in the international set - but I'm not planning on buying an extra international set just to fill in the single row 3 key that's missing!

I hope you fix this, very interested in the groupbuy!

[Zambumon]

This design looks really cool.

I think you have included incorrect ISO keys, however.  The row 4 "\ |" is included... and then duplicated in row 3 to fill the spot next to the enter key. This should be "# ~". You have included a "#~" ley in the international set - but I'm not planning on buying an extra international set just to fill in the single row 3 key that's missing!

I hope you fix this, very interested in the group buy!

I have no plans to change those and if I were to change one it would be the R4 one for a `~ for the Intl. English and Dutch ISO layout that Apple uses, but that would also require adding an R1 §±.

[of_sam]

Hello I would like GMK Serika 2.

[alwaysbless]

Looking great! Id also like to say GMK Striker R2 PLEASE. Thanks!

No.

This is not the place. This is the GMK Serika 2 thread.

What a shame.

[Martakia]

Can't wait, the hex mats are dope too.

[kohalified]

Going to just buy 5 sets. Can't have too many yellow sets.

[sup3r170va]

Can’t decide between Latin or hiragana core!

[Zambumon]

Pricing and where to buy



*Note that with Zfrontier (Intl.) shipping is included.

[treeleaf64]

Good job Zamb. I'm happy that there is a deskmat to accompany it. I believe this deserves the word, "Stonks."

[vladimir108]

Hello, may I ask you what are GMK color codes please? I would like to combine with different keycaps set. Many thanks!

[ESJvR]

Deskmats

Serika

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Hexagon Dark

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Hexagon Light

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On what Vendor will the Deskmats be sold (Again ILUMKB?) and is there a price range for them too?

[Zambumon]

Same vendors are the GMK keycaps

[Escabrera]

Hey where is the oceanaographer support? It seems like a pretty cool upcoming project so I was wondering the lack of oceanographer keys in the fourties kit.

[Zambumon]

Hey where is the oceanaographer support? It seems like a pretty cool upcoming project so I was wondering the lack of oceanographer keys in the fourties kit.

No.

[MikeTheTiger]

I’m so glad it has Percebe support. 

[2fifty3]

1.75u backspace gud

[hottrout]

Could be tempted into buying again in Cherry profile.  I love the grey used and always thought that a grey modifier set would be great if that was possible.

[Hedgey]

I see that Drop has the best interests of Zamb in this thread by deleting the legit comments along with those that were trolling. 

[Kokaloo]

Hey Geekhack staff, would it be possible to rename the "interest checks" subforum to something more appropriate? I was thinking along the lines of "vendor advertisements", locking threads after OP post and maybe one or two reserveds, and then forcing everyone who actually wants to get feedback on their projects merge to "building stuff together" area of the site? I see you feel this thread has no room for discussion or concerns so I think it would be more efficient and comprehensible this way. Are you guys at all surprised nobody takes this platform seriously and is consistently misused when the only actions by you are literally removing discussions? It's always so shocking how it takes days (sometimes even the whole GB period of a project) to get a thread approved by moderators that show up twice a month just to check up on how well this ad site is going, and then to remove any semblance of what a forum is for.

[MikeTheTiger]

GH censorship at its finest

[factoryofidols]

Real talk Zamb, are you ever going to get over the 1.75 backspace ban or are you going to alienate whole groups of enthusiasts over a grudge forever?


Like should I just see a Zamb set and no that it won’t have compat for my boards ever and move on? Or will you ever be willing to add in support and stop alienating people for no reason?

[MikeTheTiger]

Real talk Zamb, are you ever going to get over the 1.75 backspace ban or are you going to alienate whole groups of enthusiasts over a grudge forever?


Like should I just see a Zamb set and no that it won’t have compat for my boards ever and move on? Or will you ever be willing to add in support and stop alienating people for no reason?

Yes 

[Zambumon]

GH censorship at its finest

Mike,

I have answered you always in a civil way here, and in my previous ICs, and I have always explained why I'm no longer supporting their board and you are trying to portrait me as the bad guy here. I don't have any hate for them, just disappointment.

By supporting the Minivan I'm stating that it is OK to support a company that doesn't care and wants to screw over community members.

This is not the first time we've had this conversation, this is not the first time you've used the "calling the mods" card when I've never done that, and this is not the first time I've declined and given you my point of view of this situation.

Since I'm sure it won't be the last and, if it wasn't clear with my previous responses: I'm going to kindly ask you to not suggest this layout or any other made by that company on any of my future ICs. If you have any other suggestions for any other boards, I'll listen to them.


Source: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695467#msg2695467

[Kokaloo]

GH censorship at its finest

Mike,

I have answered you always in a civil way here, and in my previous ICs, and I have always explained why I'm no longer supporting their board and you are trying to portrait me as the bad guy here. I don't have any hate for them, just disappointment.

By supporting the Minivan I'm stating that it is OK to support a company that doesn't care and wants to screw over community members.

This is not the first time we've had this conversation, this is not the first time you've used the "calling the mods" card when I've never done that, and this is not the first time I've declined and given you my point of view of this situation.

Since I'm sure it won't be the last and, if it wasn't clear with my previous responses: I'm going to kindly ask you to not suggest this layout or any other made by that company on any of my future ICs. If you have any other suggestions for any other boards, I'll listen to them.


Source: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695467#msg2695467

how come this copypasta gets to stay but mine doesn't

[Hedgey]

I'm stating that it is OK to support a company that doesn't care and wants to screw over community members.

I gotta say man, the Irony here is fantastic.  Like legitimately the amount of irony in a single statement is just fascinating.

It's funny because the Oceanographer is my board, not Evan's.  There MB44 is Melonbred's board, not Evans.  If anything, you are screwing over an entire segment of board users because you still hold a grudge that someone almost overthrew your awesome money making scheme. 

I remember when MoDo Light came out and Janglad was so against adding Minivan support.  Then, when he added it the kit hit MoQ on Day 1.  DAY 1.  100 units of it sold along with 100 base kits.  That was a full 5% of total sales for MoDo light.  (I think they sold 2000 kits?)  To continue to hurt community members from your own set shows you continue to hold the community back, instead of helping advance it further.  People need to stop putting you on a pedestal because you're not really a contributing member to this community in any sort of positive light if you're honest with yourself.

Again, everyone should vote with their wallet, and if you want to hold on to this petty thing that you believe "screwed over community members" while you do the same, that's your prerogative but it's a bad one at that.

[LXVRGS]

wouldnt be a zambumon ic without the minivan simps coming out of the woodworks

[Hedgey]

wouldnt be a zambumon ic without the minivan simps coming out of the woodworks

Ironically wouldn't be a Zamb IC without people coming to swing from his nuts.  You act like he should be immune from hearing feedback. Which goes back to Kokaloo's response which is that these aren't really IC's but rather just advertisements because he's unwilling to make any changes nor ever consider actual feedback.

[icariin]

I'll just wait for the hk gaming version.
They'll probably add 1.75 bs before you.

[Zambumon]

Hedgey,

Given the post replies you have been making over the years on GH (most of which have been deleted by moderation) and other platforms, I'd rather not support your projects either. Your comments have only reinforced my decision of not including that specific key on any of my sets.

[MikeTheTiger]

GH censorship at its finest

Mike,

I have answered you always in a civil way here, and in my previous ICs, and I have always explained why I'm no longer supporting their board and you are trying to portrait me as the bad guy here. I don't have any hate for them, just disappointment.

By supporting the Minivan I'm stating that it is OK to support a company that doesn't care and wants to screw over community members.

This is not the first time we've had this conversation, this is not the first time you've used the "calling the mods" card when I've never done that, and this is not the first time I've declined and given you my point of view of this situation.

Since I'm sure it won't be the last and, if it wasn't clear with my previous responses: I'm going to kindly ask you to not suggest this layout or any other made by that company on any of my future ICs. If you have any other suggestions for any other boards, I'll listen to them.


Source: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695467#msg2695467

All good. Good luck with your thing. I guess we can’t let bygones be bygones.

[Hedgey]

Hedgey,

Given the post replies you have been making over the years on GH (most of which have been deleted by moderation) and other platforms, I'd rather not support your projects either. Your comments have only reinforced my decision of not including that specific key on any of my sets.

Most of which weren't that bad but someone felt butthurt enough to report them and get the GH silent mod team to just delete instead of giving a reason. 

Again, not that you'll give a damn because you're ignorant as hell, but the 40's community has been and will continue to move the hobby forward and in a much more positive light than you ever will.  YOU will continue to hurt the community yet think you stand on some type of pedestal or something because people unnecessarily praise you.   The 40's community is the most innovative in the hobby and it's not even close.  Most of the ideas for the big boy boards?  Yeah those came from those of us in the 40's community in the first place. 

I'd wish you the best of luck in your keyset, but you don't need it because again people just blindly support you for no reason other than "He pick colurs gud".  One day you'll be mature enough to look back and realize just how stupid you were being by omitting something from a keyset of all things because you were afraid someone would squash your precious profits you rake in. 

[s8erdude]

Reserved

[of_sam]

Reserved

No.

Not this one.

[dingusxmcgee]

Reserved

No.

Not this one.

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[Gondolindrim]

Reserved

No.

Not this one.

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Here you go

[carlouws]

This is it chief.

[Oblotzky]

> hey, how could we have him reconsider adding support for certain 40% layouts?

> we could reach out to him, be friendly and reasonable and see if maybe we can find some common ground again

> nah, let's just **** in his threads and tell him how awesome we are and what a entitled ****head he is, that'll sway his mind for sure

I really have to applaud the effort some people put into making themselves unlikeable. Personally I actually reconsidered my own stance on this subject not too long ago, but after seeing how some individuals open the conversation, I quickly dismissed that thought.

[Kokaloo]

> hey, how could we have him reconsider adding support for certain 40% layouts?

> we could reach out to him, be friendly and reasonable and see if maybe we can find some common ground again

> nah, let's just **** in his threads and tell him how awesome we are and what a entitled ****head he is, that'll sway his mind for sure

I really have to applaud the effort some people put into making themselves unlikeable. Personally I actually reconsidered my own stance on this subject not too long ago, but after seeing how some individuals open the conversation, I quickly dismissed that thought.

Damn it's too bad nobody ever attempted to reached out peacefully huh
Evan was straight up ignored by the person who started this protest, and continued to be throughout efforts shown with apologies and open inboxes.
Eventually people who own these layouts feel ignored and get to a tipping point, since everything that you have suggested that should be done has, and been tossed aside.
It's absolutely shameful how long this grudge can go on for, especially when a side has grown up from it.
But hey, I can only imagine this will be ignored as well, and designers can push to claim that the people clamoring for one ****ing keycap are all just a bunch of trolls. But I really hope not.

[Oblotzky]

> hey, how could we have him reconsider adding support for certain 40% layouts?

> we could reach out to him, be friendly and reasonable and see if maybe we can find some common ground again

> nah, let's just **** in his threads and tell him how awesome we are and what a entitled ****head he is, that'll sway his mind for sure

I really have to applaud the effort some people put into making themselves unlikeable. Personally I actually reconsidered my own stance on this subject not too long ago, but after seeing how some individuals open the conversation, I quickly dismissed that thought.

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Damn it's too bad nobody ever attempted to reached out peacefully huh
Evan was straight up ignored by the person who started this protest, and continued to be throughout efforts shown with apologies and open inboxes.
Eventually people who own these layouts feel ignored and get to a tipping point, since everything that you have suggested that should be done has, and been tossed aside.
It's absolutely shameful how long this grudge can go on for, especially when a side has grown up from it.
But hey, I can only imagine this will be ignored as well, and designers can push to claim that the people clamoring for one ****ing keycap are all just a bunch of trolls. But I really hope not.

Yes, you found the post that made me reconsider my stance as I mentioned. But when a new IC thread is being moderated a few days in, I'm not sure the claim 'a side has grown up' can be made.

[Kokaloo]

> hey, how could we have him reconsider adding support for certain 40% layouts?

> we could reach out to him, be friendly and reasonable and see if maybe we can find some common ground again

> nah, let's just **** in his threads and tell him how awesome we are and what a entitled ****head he is, that'll sway his mind for sure

I really have to applaud the effort some people put into making themselves unlikeable. Personally I actually reconsidered my own stance on this subject not too long ago, but after seeing how some individuals open the conversation, I quickly dismissed that thought.

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Damn it's too bad nobody ever attempted to reached out peacefully huh
Evan was straight up ignored by the person who started this protest, and continued to be throughout efforts shown with apologies and open inboxes.
Eventually people who own these layouts feel ignored and get to a tipping point, since everything that you have suggested that should be done has, and been tossed aside.
It's absolutely shameful how long this grudge can go on for, especially when a side has grown up from it.
But hey, I can only imagine this will be ignored as well, and designers can push to claim that the people clamoring for one ****ing keycap are all just a bunch of trolls. But I really hope not.

Yes, you found the post that made me reconsider my stance as I mentioned. But when a new IC thread is being moderated a few days in, I'm not sure the claim 'a side has grown up' can be made.

What else needed to be done in the year that you were reconsidering that wasn't said in that post?
You personally ran a few sets that didn't have Minivan compat in that timeframe, and when a group of people are largely ignored they rightfully feel there isn't much power in pushing you to fully commit your reconsideration.
You can't claim that it was possible to have your mind changed when you gave literally NO options or means for people to do so after the fact of attempting peace. That's completely unfair.

[Hedgey]

Yes, you found the post that made me reconsider my stance as I mentioned. But when a new IC thread is being moderated a few days in, I'm not sure the claim 'a side has grown up' can be made.

It's kind of funny that out of all the people who are Boycotting 1.75U backspace, you are on the top of my list of "I honestly don't mind, because he's pretty chill about it at least".  So I get why you feel the way you do.

I have asked, quite nicely I might add, in the past of Zamb multiple times.  Even suggesting that one day He and Evan get a beer together and hash it out lol.  But that was met with hostility by Zamb and a few others multiple times.  T0mbr3y just straight up ignores it and it's kind of sad lol.  And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

So all that's left is you and Zamb, and again you seem the most chill about it. 

Serious question for you though, do you feel that missing out on potentially another 100 base + 40's kits is worth the boycott? 

[TuckTuckFloof]

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[Wilba]

And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

You callled Olivia the C-word in a public discord and you only apologized when you were called out by Mike from Novel Keys when he posted the screengrab.

Maybe this explains why keyset designers might still be a little hostile towards you and any comments you make on their interest checks.

Just saying.

[machine yearning]

After having my comments asking for context deleted (maybe interpreted as sarcasm?) and then reading what people said later on.

I just find it pretty strange that this discussion of 1.75u R2 is being framed as a boycott of TVK, a company that literally hasn't existed for a year already.

And apparently of another designer who has said made some pretty rude comments/has an abrasive attitude.

In reality there are tons of people in the 40% community exploring the x.75u board width with their designs, myself included.

We're not sending our money to TVK or Hedgey. We're not asking you to forgive or patch things up with the people that have hurt you. I'm simply kindly asking you to support a bunch of the 40% boards that have active or upcoming projects.

GL with your GB, the Serika colorway is one of my all time favorites

[Hedgey]

And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

You callled Olivia the C-word in a public discord and you only apologized when you were called out by Mike from Novel Keys when he posted the screengrab.

Maybe this explains why keyset designers might still be a little hostile towards you and any comments you make on their interest checks.

Just saying.

Actually thanks for bringing that up, Wilba.  It reminds me of how much drama others are looking for.  Let's take a step back shall we?

1. Yes, I posted that in a discord, in an OBSCURE VOICE CHANNEL, not in a main channel like #gen-chat
2. Someone, was obviously searching for my name in the Discord Channel looking for me to "trip up to use it against me."
3. That person found where I said it, screenshotted it, and then shared it with the express intent of stirring up drama causing an issue.
4. Mike posted that on Reddit where I found out that someone had screenshot it and shared it around. Naturally I thought it was Mike that did it and I PM'd him about it.  He shared that someone else was spreading it around.  (MIKE HAD NO BUSINESS PASSING THAT AROUND BTW)
5. Mike and I had a very nice chat after that and we have no issues.
6. Then I reached out to Olivia and apologized.  She responded back and we discussed like adults with apologies and a resolution.

I have not been "nasty" in any regards since last year in the Olivia R2 thread.  (In which surprise surprise, Zamb was involved in and her keyset compatibility took a step backwards....)  So while yes, I slipped up last year and said something that shouldn't have been typed out, I apologized and owned up for it because I'm not a child. 

In fact, most of this hobby has people who are so caught up on "status" and "fame" it's turned most people into drama queens.  I don't care if you don't like me.  And as I stated I've been pretty cordial to nearly everyone I've met and talked to in this hobby.  However at some point it boils over for everyone.  You tend to ride on a high horse as if you're perfect, but we all know, no one actually is.

So I'm not sure what your intent on bringing up something from over a year ago was in this thread, but I hope you know that you're going to slip up at one point too, and when it happens, know that I won't be the one to remind you of it at a later date because that's not how I operate.

[Wilba]

And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

You callled Olivia the C-word in a public discord and you only apologized when you were called out by Mike from Novel Keys when he posted the screengrab.

Maybe this explains why keyset designers might still be a little hostile towards you and any comments you make on their interest checks.

Just saying.

Actually thanks for bringing that up, Wilba.  It reminds me of how much drama others are looking for.  Let's take a step back shall we?

1. Yes, I posted that in a discord, in an OBSCURE VOICE CHANNEL, not in a main channel like #gen-chat
2. Someone, was obviously searching for my name in the Discord Channel looking for me to "trip up to use it against me."
3. That person found where I said it, screenshotted it, and then shared it with the express intent of stirring up drama causing an issue.
4. Mike posted that on Reddit where I found out that someone had screenshot it and shared it around. Naturally I thought it was Mike that did it and I PM'd him about it.  He shared that someone else was spreading it around.
5. Mike and I had a very nice chat after that and we have no issues.
6. Then I reached out to Olivia and apologized.  She responded back and we discussed like adults with apologies and a resolution.

I have not been "nasty" in any regards since last year in the Olivia R2 thread.  (In which surprise surprise, Zamb was involved in and her keyset compatibility took a step backwards....)  So while yes, I slipped up last year and said something that shouldn't have been typed out, I apologized and owned up for it because I'm not a child. 

In fact, most of this hobby has people who are so caught up on "status" and "fame" it's turned most people into drama queens.  I don't care if you don't like me.  And as I stated I've been pretty cordial to nearly everyone I've met and talked to in this hobby.  However at some point it boils over for everyone.  You tend to ride on a high horse as if you're perfect, but we all know, no one actually is.

So I'm not sure what your intent on bringing up something from over a year ago was in this thread, but I hope you know that you're going to slip up at one point too, and when it happens, know that I won't be the one to remind you of it at a later date because that's not how I operate.

You brought up being good with Olivia, not me, as if you think her accepting your apology means everyone else is made good, and it's just Zambumon being unreasonably hostile.

You frame this as Zambumon being petty, spiteful, etc. instead of just accepting it's his keyset design, he can do what he wants and you can vote with your wallet like everyone else.

You're the one (or some other 40% user) who brings up this "boycott" every time, so please don't lecture me about bringing up old drama.

TBH I don't know why I bother writing anything at all, you don't care what I have to say, as in your mind, I'm lumped in with Zambumon and the other "boycotters", and the thread gets cleaned up anyway and all these words will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

I should have been cancelled a long time ago, I'm just more careful, I guess, but thanks for the advice.

[evangs]

And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

You callled Olivia the C-word in a public discord and you only apologized when you were called out by Mike from Novel Keys when he posted the screengrab.

Maybe this explains why keyset designers might still be a little hostile towards you and any comments you make on their interest checks.

Just saying.

Actually thanks for bringing that up, Wilba.  It reminds me of how much drama others are looking for.  Let's take a step back shall we?

1. Yes, I posted that in a discord, in an OBSCURE VOICE CHANNEL, not in a main channel like #gen-chat
2. Someone, was obviously searching for my name in the Discord Channel looking for me to "trip up to use it against me."
3. That person found where I said it, screenshotted it, and then shared it with the express intent of stirring up drama causing an issue.
4. Mike posted that on Reddit where I found out that someone had screenshot it and shared it around. Naturally I thought it was Mike that did it and I PM'd him about it.  He shared that someone else was spreading it around.
5. Mike and I had a very nice chat after that and we have no issues.
6. Then I reached out to Olivia and apologized.  She responded back and we discussed like adults with apologies and a resolution.

I have not been "nasty" in any regards since last year in the Olivia R2 thread.  (In which surprise surprise, Zamb was involved in and her keyset compatibility took a step backwards....)  So while yes, I slipped up last year and said something that shouldn't have been typed out, I apologized and owned up for it because I'm not a child. 

In fact, most of this hobby has people who are so caught up on "status" and "fame" it's turned most people into drama queens.  I don't care if you don't like me.  And as I stated I've been pretty cordial to nearly everyone I've met and talked to in this hobby.  However at some point it boils over for everyone.  You tend to ride on a high horse as if you're perfect, but we all know, no one actually is.

So I'm not sure what your intent on bringing up something from over a year ago was in this thread, but I hope you know that you're going to slip up at one point too, and when it happens, know that I won't be the one to remind you of it at a later date because that's not how I operate.

You brought up being good with Olivia, not me, as if you think her accepting your apology means everyone else is made good, and it's just Zambumon being unreasonably hostile.

You frame this as Zambumon being petty, spiteful, etc. instead of just accepting it's his keyset design, he can do what he wants and you can vote with your wallet like everyone else.

You're the one (or some other 40% user) who brings up this "boycott" every time, so please don't lecture me about bringing up old drama.

TBH I don't know why I bother writing anything at all, you don't care what I have to say, as in your mind, I'm lumped in with Zambumon and the other "boycotters", and the thread gets cleaned up anyway and all these words will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

I should have been cancelled a long time ago, I'm just more careful, I guess, but thanks for the advice.

hey wilba... go **** yourself

[Wilba]

And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

You callled Olivia the C-word in a public discord and you only apologized when you were called out by Mike from Novel Keys when he posted the screengrab.

Maybe this explains why keyset designers might still be a little hostile towards you and any comments you make on their interest checks.

Just saying.

Actually thanks for bringing that up, Wilba.  It reminds me of how much drama others are looking for.  Let's take a step back shall we?

1. Yes, I posted that in a discord, in an OBSCURE VOICE CHANNEL, not in a main channel like #gen-chat
2. Someone, was obviously searching for my name in the Discord Channel looking for me to "trip up to use it against me."
3. That person found where I said it, screenshotted it, and then shared it with the express intent of stirring up drama causing an issue.
4. Mike posted that on Reddit where I found out that someone had screenshot it and shared it around. Naturally I thought it was Mike that did it and I PM'd him about it.  He shared that someone else was spreading it around.
5. Mike and I had a very nice chat after that and we have no issues.
6. Then I reached out to Olivia and apologized.  She responded back and we discussed like adults with apologies and a resolution.

I have not been "nasty" in any regards since last year in the Olivia R2 thread.  (In which surprise surprise, Zamb was involved in and her keyset compatibility took a step backwards....)  So while yes, I slipped up last year and said something that shouldn't have been typed out, I apologized and owned up for it because I'm not a child. 

In fact, most of this hobby has people who are so caught up on "status" and "fame" it's turned most people into drama queens.  I don't care if you don't like me.  And as I stated I've been pretty cordial to nearly everyone I've met and talked to in this hobby.  However at some point it boils over for everyone.  You tend to ride on a high horse as if you're perfect, but we all know, no one actually is.

So I'm not sure what your intent on bringing up something from over a year ago was in this thread, but I hope you know that you're going to slip up at one point too, and when it happens, know that I won't be the one to remind you of it at a later date because that's not how I operate.

You brought up being good with Olivia, not me, as if you think her accepting your apology means everyone else is made good, and it's just Zambumon being unreasonably hostile.

You frame this as Zambumon being petty, spiteful, etc. instead of just accepting it's his keyset design, he can do what he wants and you can vote with your wallet like everyone else.

You're the one (or some other 40% user) who brings up this "boycott" every time, so please don't lecture me about bringing up old drama.

TBH I don't know why I bother writing anything at all, you don't care what I have to say, as in your mind, I'm lumped in with Zambumon and the other "boycotters", and the thread gets cleaned up anyway and all these words will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

I should have been cancelled a long time ago, I'm just more careful, I guess, but thanks for the advice.

hey wilba... go **** yourself

If I could, I would.

[Hedgey]

TBH I don't know why I bother writing anything at all, you don't care what I have to say, as in your mind, I'm lumped in with Zambumon and the other "boycotters", and the thread gets cleaned up anyway and all these words will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

I should have been cancelled a long time ago, I'm just more careful, I guess, but thanks for the advice.

TBH, I'm surprised you assume anything.  I actually have no problem with you.  I don't lump you into any group, you are who you are.  Zamb is who he is.  Oblo is who he is.  (I even stated that I thought he was the most Chill a few replies back)  Hell at least Zamb responds to an extent. 

But as I've said before, this set will sell whether or not it's got a single backspace key or not.  And I am still waiting for SOMEONE who is boycotting it to just give me a valid reason for potentially skipping out on a decent amount of base kits and 40's from their total sales.  It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.   )

[evangs]

And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

You callled Olivia the C-word in a public discord and you only apologized when you were called out by Mike from Novel Keys when he posted the screengrab.

Maybe this explains why keyset designers might still be a little hostile towards you and any comments you make on their interest checks.

Just saying.

Actually thanks for bringing that up, Wilba.  It reminds me of how much drama others are looking for.  Let's take a step back shall we?

1. Yes, I posted that in a discord, in an OBSCURE VOICE CHANNEL, not in a main channel like #gen-chat
2. Someone, was obviously searching for my name in the Discord Channel looking for me to "trip up to use it against me."
3. That person found where I said it, screenshotted it, and then shared it with the express intent of stirring up drama causing an issue.
4. Mike posted that on Reddit where I found out that someone had screenshot it and shared it around. Naturally I thought it was Mike that did it and I PM'd him about it.  He shared that someone else was spreading it around.
5. Mike and I had a very nice chat after that and we have no issues.
6. Then I reached out to Olivia and apologized.  She responded back and we discussed like adults with apologies and a resolution.

I have not been "nasty" in any regards since last year in the Olivia R2 thread.  (In which surprise surprise, Zamb was involved in and her keyset compatibility took a step backwards....)  So while yes, I slipped up last year and said something that shouldn't have been typed out, I apologized and owned up for it because I'm not a child. 

In fact, most of this hobby has people who are so caught up on "status" and "fame" it's turned most people into drama queens.  I don't care if you don't like me.  And as I stated I've been pretty cordial to nearly everyone I've met and talked to in this hobby.  However at some point it boils over for everyone.  You tend to ride on a high horse as if you're perfect, but we all know, no one actually is.

So I'm not sure what your intent on bringing up something from over a year ago was in this thread, but I hope you know that you're going to slip up at one point too, and when it happens, know that I won't be the one to remind you of it at a later date because that's not how I operate.

You brought up being good with Olivia, not me, as if you think her accepting your apology means everyone else is made good, and it's just Zambumon being unreasonably hostile.

You frame this as Zambumon being petty, spiteful, etc. instead of just accepting it's his keyset design, he can do what he wants and you can vote with your wallet like everyone else.

You're the one (or some other 40% user) who brings up this "boycott" every time, so please don't lecture me about bringing up old drama.

TBH I don't know why I bother writing anything at all, you don't care what I have to say, as in your mind, I'm lumped in with Zambumon and the other "boycotters", and the thread gets cleaned up anyway and all these words will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

I should have been cancelled a long time ago, I'm just more careful, I guess, but thanks for the advice.

hey wilba... go **** yourself

If I could, I would.

alright.... my respect for you just climbed higher than everest.... gg my dude

[machine yearning]

You're the one (or some other 40% user) who brings up this "boycott" every time, so please don't lecture me about bringing up old drama.

Wild, imagine 40% users expressing interest in an IC thread by asking for a couple keycaps to support the boards they want to use/create.

[r2d5198]

I'm pretty new to all this gb stuff, is this compatible with nk65?

[Wilba]

You're the one (or some other 40% user) who brings up this "boycott" every time, so please don't lecture me about bringing up old drama.

Wild, imagine 40% users expressing interest in an IC thread by asking for a couple keycaps to support the boards they want to use/create.

I said they bring up this "boycott" drama ever time and call the designer spiteful, still "holding a grudge" etc.

I fully agree that people can ask for what they would like to see in an IC. However, if the designer says no, that should be the end of it.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[evangs]

You're the one (or some other 40% user) who brings up this "boycott" every time, so please don't lecture me about bringing up old drama.

Wild, imagine 40% users expressing interest in an IC thread by asking for a couple keycaps to support the boards they want to use/create.

I said they bring up this "boycott" drama ever time and call the designer spiteful, still "holding a grudge" etc.

I fully agree that people can ask for what they would like to see in an IC. However, if the designer says no, that should be the end of it.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

honestly he's got a point. if you don't like their decision, run your own set....

[TopreMoon]

I'm pretty new to all this gb stuff, is this compatible with nk65?

I did a quick glance and it looks like it should. Best way though, for yourself, is to take a moment to familiarize yourself with the NK65 layout. Whenever you look at group buys for keycaps, look at the core kit to see if it has a key for every switch on your board. After some practice, you should be able to do it pretty fast. For example, you never really have to compare the alphas/letters since they're pretty much guaranteed to be in the core kit and in most standard layouts.

[machine yearning]

You're the one (or some other 40% user) who brings up this "boycott" every time, so please don't lecture me about bringing up old drama.

Wild, imagine 40% users expressing interest in an IC thread by asking for a couple keycaps to support the boards they want to use/create.

I said they bring up this "boycott" drama ever time and call the designer spiteful, still "holding a grudge" etc.

I fully agree that people can ask for what they would like to see in an IC. However, if the designer says no, that should be the end of it.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

On the contrary, if this functioned like a normal IC system, the growing number of 40s users/designers popping up in keycap threads (often with no context or understanding of this ancient drama) would just be taken as evidence that there are a lot of people with an unmet need in the market.

With that lens, speaking of insanity and rationality, how big does the 40% community need to get before it's no longer sane to ignore their requests? At what point is it a stretch of rationality to still view it as a feud between a small handful of veterans with an axe to grind, and not see how this weird situation rubs hundreds of 40% users the wrong way by silencing their voice with a flat "No."?

As far as I know this line of discussion started with a 40% user coming in and asking for support for an upcoming keeb they're interested in buying.

If 40% users ask for support and the designer's response is based in fact on a "boycott", who is *really* responsible for bringing a boycott into the situation?

[Xerpocalypse]

And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

You callled Olivia the C-word in a public discord and you only apologized when you were called out by Mike from Novel Keys when he posted the screengrab.

Maybe this explains why keyset designers might still be a little hostile towards you and any comments you make on their interest checks.

Just saying.

I have not been "nasty" in any regards since last year in the Olivia R2 thread.  (In which surprise surprise, Zamb was involved in and her keyset compatibility took a step backwards....)  So while yes, I slipped up last year and said something that shouldn't have been typed out, I apologized and owned up for it because I'm not a child.

Since you seem to be convinced that Zambumon will try to discourage just about anybody to not include/remove 1.75u R2 Backspace, I will offer some evidence to the contrary: I have confided in him, among other people, in upcoming projects or asked his opinion on sets that I have helped others with which include that specific key, and not once has he mentioned removing it. Neither has he tried to convince me to do so, nor convince me to convince my friends to remove the key.

At a casual glance, I do sometimes get the impression that 1.75u Backspace is the hill that the most vocal members of the 40s community have chosen to die on, so to speak. As someone who doesn't use 40% keyboards and is not a part of that community, it does sometimes feel like every time someone refuses to include the key in their sets, someone else will design another 40% board that uses it to try and leverage the issue. Whether or not this is actually the case is a different situation entirely.

The world doesn't revolve around Zambumon, nor other designers for that matter, but the question of including 1.75u backspace or not is absolutely that designer's choice.

[Kokaloo]

And Olivia and I hashed out issues with her previous sets so I'm good with her and she knows that.

You callled Olivia the C-word in a public discord and you only apologized when you were called out by Mike from Novel Keys when he posted the screengrab.

Maybe this explains why keyset designers might still be a little hostile towards you and any comments you make on their interest checks.

Just saying.

I have not been "nasty" in any regards since last year in the Olivia R2 thread.  (In which surprise surprise, Zamb was involved in and her keyset compatibility took a step backwards....)  So while yes, I slipped up last year and said something that shouldn't have been typed out, I apologized and owned up for it because I'm not a child.

Since you seem to be convinced that Zambumon will try to discourage just about anybody to not include/remove 1.75u R2 Backspace, I will offer some evidence to the contrary: I have confided in him, among other people, in upcoming projects or asked his opinion on sets that I have helped others with which include that specific key, and not once has he mentioned removing it. Neither has he tried to convince me to do so, nor convince me to convince my friends to remove the key.

At a casual glance, I do sometimes get the impression that 1.75u Backspace is the hill that the most vocal members of the 40s community have chosen to die on, so to speak. As someone who doesn't use 40% keyboards and is not a part of that community, it does sometimes feel like every time someone refuses to include the key in their sets, someone else will design another 40% board that uses it to try and leverage the issue. Whether or not this is actually the case is a different situation entirely.

The world doesn't revolve around Zambumon, nor other designers for that matter, but the question of including 1.75u backspace or not is absolutely that designer's choice.

With all that said, why did you choose to not include it in darling?

[VipermanGT2]

Just reading through this thread for the first time now. I'll give my honest opinion on it. A human being made something that he likes and wants to give others the opportunity to buy. He's looking for feedback on it, aka Interest Check. Users came in and called out how there is no 40's support and asked for it. They were told no. Now they are whining and complaining like little babies because they're not getting what they want....

Maybe Zambumon is just a blunt person, maybe not. Maybe there is some old grudge or something... but it's HIS KEYSET. If you gave your feedback, and Zambumon doesn't want to make those changes, it doesn't matter, because it's his keyset. If you want 40's support and can't have it with this keyset, it doesn't matter, because IT'S ZAMBUMON'S KEYSET!

Stop acting like immature children and whining about not getting what you want. If this "growing number of 40's users" in the market have such an "unmet need," then maybe one of them should step up and design a keyset with 40's support. Don't throw a tantrum if someone doesn't want to do it for you.

[Xerpocalypse]

With all that said, why did you choose not to include it in darling?

There are multiple reasons, but if Darling gets a R2 in GMK then it can be discussed in that IC thread, assuming that the kitting is the same as R1 (it won’t be). My reasons for omitting that key are irrelevant to the IC for Serika R2, and GMK Darling R1 is long since past the point where it would make any difference to discuss it at length in this thread.

[Kokaloo]

With all that said, why did you choose not to include it in darling?

There are multiple reasons, but if Darling gets a R2 in GMK then it can be discussed in that IC thread, assuming that the kitting is the same as R1 (it won’t be). My reasons for omitting that key are irrelevant to the IC for Serika R2, and GMK Darling R1 is long since past the point where it would make any difference to discuss it at length in this thread.

What an incredibly bullocks response. You just explained that it's simple as to why designers can choose not to include a keycap, but say there are multiple reasons you personally didn't but fail to elaborate.
I have a hunch you have no reasoning and simply decided it wasn't worth the time or effort because of all the nonsense surrounding this issue (then why pop in here at all and give your half penny), or are attempting to follow in the footsteps of designers that you feel are leading the scape of the hobby in hopes to be included in their reigns.
You can't jump into a thread and attempt to be logical without giving reasoning to why you purposefully wanted to not include compatibility, it's a complete phony.

[Stormlex]

Hmm.

Do you guys not see how this makes you look pushing your agenda onto people who makes stuff?
Stop being aggressive and just accept whatever reason an IC starter has to not include your specific keycaps.
It’s an IC, not your public pressure valve.

[FireLock]

Reading through this thread and discussion people are having has actually opened up my eyes. There should maybe be some sort of poll or some sort of consideration of having a Advertising section as an addition to the IC.. would possibly dissolve alot of future salt.

In the end it is OP's Keyset. He does as he pleases. It is fair.

[machine yearning]

...whining and complaining like little babies...

...acting like immature children and whining about not getting what you want...

...Don't throw a tantrum...

I'm confused about what I wrote that strikes you as throwing a tantrum. I just tried to rationally tease apart the vast majority of 40s users, from the few voices that are rehashing bad blood for the umpteenth time. At some point this has gotta move past whatever happened between these folks. There are hundreds of active 40% users and dozens of active designers currently running ICs or GBs in the discord server alone, and the two legacy 40% users that have been called out in this thread don't represent even a small fraction of our community. Maybe in 2017 TVK was a representative chunk of the 40% community but it's nearly 2021 now.

In fact I think I've been pretty calm and candid about what I think the situation here is. Frankly I think your disrespectful and baseless accusations of immaturity are uncalled for. If anything it seems to me like you're projecting here, but I'll leave it to the reader to decide whether they think it's more mature to attempt to facilitate discussion about expanding keyset compatibility based on an emerging market, or to jump into that discussion and try to stir up vitriol by hurling weird insults calling people "babies" etc.

If this "growing number of 40's users" in the market have such an "unmet need," then maybe one of them should step up and design a keyset with 40's support.

Actually there are plenty of keysets that support the 40s layouts in question. We're not here in the Serika R2 IC thread to discuss other keysets though, we're here to discuss Serika R2. I'm posting here because I like Serika and I want to use it on my keyboards. It's a very popular and attractive colorway. And I know a lot of other 40% users feel the same, and would love to put this keyset on our boards if Zambumon would support literally these 2 extra keycaps.

[Wilba]

...whining and complaining like little babies...

...acting like immature children and whining about not getting what you want...

...Don't throw a tantrum...

I'm confused about what I wrote that strikes you as throwing a tantrum. I just tried to rationally tease apart the vast majority of 40s users, from the few voices that are rehashing bad blood for the umpteenth time. At some point this has gotta move past whatever happened between these folks. There are hundreds of active 40% users and dozens of active designers currently running ICs or GBs in the discord server alone, and the two legacy 40% users that have been called out in this thread don't represent even a small fraction of our community. Maybe in 2017 TVK was a representative chunk of the 40% community but it's nearly 2021 now.

In fact I think I've been pretty calm and candid about what I think the situation here is. Frankly I think your disrespectful and baseless accusations of immaturity are uncalled for. If anything it seems to me like you're projecting here, but I'll leave it to the reader to decide whether they think it's more mature to attempt to facilitate discussion about expanding keyset compatibility based on an emerging market, or to jump into that discussion and try to stir up vitriol by hurling weird insults calling people "babies" etc.

If this "growing number of 40's users" in the market have such an "unmet need," then maybe one of them should step up and design a keyset with 40's support.

Actually there are plenty of keysets that support the 40s layouts in question. We're not here in the Serika R2 IC thread to discuss other keysets though, we're here to discuss Serika R2. I'm posting here because I like Serika and I want to use it on my keyboards. It's a very popular and attractive colorway. And I know a lot of other 40% users feel the same, and would love to put this keyset on our boards if Zambumon would support literally these 2 extra keycaps.

VipermanGT2 is not accusing you specifically of whining, and neither did I, FWIW. You've been calm and rational, but this is the biggest feud in keyboard history, continually reinvigorated with each interest check that doesn't support these infamous two keycaps, resulting in thread locks and purges. Do you expect the behaviour of the past to be finally rewarded with acquiescence? My guess is, that will happen when I get my GMK Hyperfuse R1.

[VipermanGT2]

...whining and complaining like little babies...

...acting like immature children and whining about not getting what you want...

...Don't throw a tantrum...

I'm confused about what I wrote that strikes you as throwing a tantrum. I just tried to rationally tease apart the vast majority of 40s users, from the few voices that are rehashing bad blood for the umpteenth time. At some point this has gotta move past whatever happened between these folks. There are hundreds of active 40% users and dozens of active designers currently running ICs or GBs in the discord server alone, and the two legacy 40% users that have been called out in this thread don't represent even a small fraction of our community. Maybe in 2017 TVK was a representative chunk of the 40% community but it's nearly 2021 now.

In fact I think I've been pretty calm and candid about what I think the situation here is. Frankly I think your disrespectful and baseless accusations of immaturity are uncalled for. If anything it seems to me like you're projecting here, but I'll leave it to the reader to decide whether they think it's more mature to attempt to facilitate discussion about expanding keyset compatibility based on an emerging market, or to jump into that discussion and try to stir up vitriol by hurling weird insults calling people "babies" etc.

If this "growing number of 40's users" in the market have such an "unmet need," then maybe one of them should step up and design a keyset with 40's support.

Actually there are plenty of keysets that support the 40s layouts in question. We're not here in the Serika R2 IC thread to discuss other keysets though, we're here to discuss Serika R2. I'm posting here because I like Serika and I want to use it on my keyboards. It's a very popular and attractive colorway. And I know a lot of other 40% users feel the same, and would love to put this keyset on our boards if Zambumon would support literally these 2 extra keycaps.

I’m genuinely trying to see the argument from your view so I can have insight from both sides. However, every way I look at it from your side results in the same outcome...you’re being overly demanding and complaining about not getting what you want.   

Nothing personal, just hoping to offer a lesson in acceptance. Have a good day.


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[VipermanGT2]

Also, nice kit Zambumon. Regardless of what anyone says.

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[Zeelobby]

Yeah... I hate to say it, but the demands being brought up every time in such an aggressive manner might have the adverse effect of future keyset designers avoiding the key as well. Your possibly digging your own graves here. Better to just ask. Take the no. And move on. Plenty of other designers to convince to add the key, or buy sets that support it. Shedding more light on the past does not seem to be working. Time to change tactics.

[Zeelobby]

Serika is fire though. Looking forward to joining.

[Hugs94]

With all that said, why did you choose not to include it in darling?

There are multiple reasons, but if Darling gets a R2 in GMK then it can be discussed in that IC thread, assuming that the kitting is the same as R1 (it won’t be). My reasons for omitting that key are irrelevant to the IC for Serika R2, and GMK Darling R1 is long since past the point where it would make any difference to discuss it at length in this thread.

What an incredibly bullocks response. You just explained that it's simple as to why designers can choose not to include a keycap, but say there are multiple reasons you personally didn't but fail to elaborate.
I have a hunch you have no reasoning and simply decided it wasn't worth the time or effort because of all the nonsense surrounding this issue (then why pop in here at all and give your half penny), or are attempting to follow in the footsteps of designers that you feel are leading the scape of the hobby in hopes to be included in their reigns.
You can't jump into a thread and attempt to be logical without giving reasoning to why you purposefully wanted to not include compatibility, it's a complete phony.

Nice projection

[!Q]

Hey **** 1.75u Backspace all my homies hate 1.75u Backspace can i just get some ASETNIOP compat in the 40s kit? Or a separate 20% kit for sub 20% boards like Ginny? Thanks in advance bud :^)

[digid3ar]

i love serika regardless that missing backspace. so happy to jump in

[Hugs94]

Wow I can't believe these guys predicted the future in this thread:

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[BapoDonu]

will it come with a pink pcb

[sevenseacat]

*drama drama drama

hey ne colemak avail

[harlekein]

Kinda looks like a rip off from GMK Gregory tbh



https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106351.0

[harlekein]

I really have to applaud the effort some people put into making themselves unlikeable. Personally I actually reconsidered my own stance on this subject not too long ago, but after seeing how some individuals open the conversation, I quickly dismissed that thought.

Somehow I'm sceptical.

"I initially refused out of spite. Then I almost reconsidered, but then out of spite decided against it"

[Zambumon]

Kinda looks like a rip off from GMK Gregory tbh

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https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106351.0

Thanks Mr. Harlekeim, I appreciate the insight

[prognostics]

Kinda looks like a rip off from GMK Gregory tbh

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https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106351.0

Pls tell me this is meme, this isn't the first time the set has run

[Gondolindrim]

Kinda looks like a rip off from GMK Gregory tbh

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https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106351.0

Pls tell me this is meme, this isn't the first time the set has run

This isn't a meme. Gregory is the oldest keyset in this hobby and Serika is a straight ripoff of Greg. Zambumon is actually being sued by Doggo Inc. (the company that owns the IP for the Gregory line of products) and he's just running Serika again to pay for his 4 lawyers otherwise he's going bankrupt since spanish lawyers are apparently the most expensive in the world.

[azzipa]

Exhibit for the Defense: IMO Serika and Gregory are quite different and I would never consider purchasing Gregory. I would, and am, considering Serika. I just don't want a face on my keyboard.

It is very hard to establish IP around a color. See Susan G Komen Foundation attempt to trademark the color Pink. I'm not going to pretend I know how this will play out (in the EU?), but in the US this case likely would be considered frivolous and get thrown out on summary judgment. Defining characteristic of Gregory is the face: eyes, nose, etc. Without, this is just a yellow and beige set. What's next? Disney sues for BoW because in infringes on 101 Dalmatians?

[Gondolindrim]

Exhibit for the Defense: IMO Serika and Gregory are quite different and I would never consider purchasing Gregory. I would, and am, considering Serika. I just don't want a face on my keyboard.

It is very hard to establish IP around a color. See Susan G Komen Foundation attempt to trademark the color Pink. I'm not going to pretend I know how this will play out (in the EU?), but in the US this case likely would be considered frivolous and get thrown out on summary judgment. Defining characteristic of Gregory is the face: eyes, nose, etc. Without, this is just a yellow and beige set. What's next? Disney sues for BoW because in infringes on 101 Dalmatians?

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Zambumon is being sued in the EU as I said (Spain). Doggo Inc. has sued him in the US, Americas, Mexico, Brazil, South America, the Guyanas, Australia, Germany, Chile, Spain and Butan.  I know he won the cause here in Brazil because I actually helped him; it was pretty easy since the lawyers of Doggo Inc thought in Brazil we speak spanish when we actually speak brazilian, a dialect of portuguese, which is a dialect of Latin, which is a dialect of Greek, where gay sex was invented. In Australia, him and Wilba won the case arguing that Sydney actually isn't Australia's capital. Oblotzki said he'd help in Germany, but just after he finishes his currywurst. He's losing the processes in the other countries, though.

As for IP protection, you know how big companies are. Doggo Inc is a huge company and they will use all their power not to let people make products that hold even the most remote resembleance to Gregory. For instance, Oblo had to ask permission to Coke to run Crimson Cadet, since Coke threatened to sue him because they own white plus red. Valve sued Tombery for the carbon novelties that depict the Half-Life Lambda. Riot Games
sued GMK for GMK Toxic because the LoL community actually owns the rights to be the most toxic. The list goes on.

[gilbert]

Nice Mr. Zamb

[chamelemon_64]

Exhibit for the Defense: IMO Serika and Gregory are quite different and I would never consider purchasing Gregory. I would, and am, considering Serika. I just don't want a face on my keyboard.

It is very hard to establish IP around a color. See Susan G Komen Foundation attempt to trademark the color Pink. I'm not going to pretend I know how this will play out (in the EU?), but in the US this case likely would be considered frivolous and get thrown out on summary judgment. Defining characteristic of Gregory is the face: eyes, nose, etc. Without, this is just a yellow and beige set. What's next? Disney sues for BoW because in infringes on 101 Dalmatians?

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Zambumon is being sued in the EU as I said (Spain). Doggo Inc. has sued him in the US, Americas, Mexico, Brazil, South America, the Guyanas, Australia, Germany, Chile, Spain and Butan.  I know he won the cause here in Brazil because I actually helped him; it was pretty easy since the lawyers of Doggo Inc thought in Brazil we speak spanish when we actually speak brazilian, a dialect of portuguese, which is a dialect of Latin, which is a dialect of Greek, where gay sex was invented. In Australia, him and Wilba won the case arguing that Sydney actually isn't Australia's capital. Oblotzki said he'd help in Germany, but just after he finishes his currywurst. He's losing the processes in the other countries, though.

As for IP protection, you know how big companies are. Doggo Inc is a huge company and they will use all their power not to let people make products that hold even the most remote resembleance to Gregory. For instance, Oblo had to ask permission to Coke to run Crimson Cadet, since Coke threatened to sue him because they own white plus red. Valve sued Tombery for the carbon novelties that depict the Half-Life Lambda. Riot Games
sued GMK for GMK Toxic because the LoL community actually owns the rights to be the most toxic. The list goes on.

I can confirm that he has been hearing from our lawyers 

Jokes aside glwgb

[BapoDonu]

Need to pick up a couple sets so i can help zamb pay his lawyers

[Gondolindrim]

Exhibit for the Defense: IMO Serika and Gregory are quite different and I would never consider purchasing Gregory. I would, and am, considering Serika. I just don't want a face on my keyboard.

It is very hard to establish IP around a color. See Susan G Komen Foundation attempt to trademark the color Pink. I'm not going to pretend I know how this will play out (in the EU?), but in the US this case likely would be considered frivolous and get thrown out on summary judgment. Defining characteristic of Gregory is the face: eyes, nose, etc. Without, this is just a yellow and beige set. What's next? Disney sues for BoW because in infringes on 101 Dalmatians?

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Zambumon is being sued in the EU as I said (Spain). Doggo Inc. has sued him in the US, Americas, Mexico, Brazil, South America, the Guyanas, Australia, Germany, Chile, Spain and Butan.  I know he won the cause here in Brazil because I actually helped him; it was pretty easy since the lawyers of Doggo Inc thought in Brazil we speak spanish when we actually speak brazilian, a dialect of portuguese, which is a dialect of Latin, which is a dialect of Greek, where gay sex was invented. In Australia, him and Wilba won the case arguing that Sydney actually isn't Australia's capital. Oblotzki said he'd help in Germany, but just after he finishes his currywurst. He's losing the processes in the other countries, though.

As for IP protection, you know how big companies are. Doggo Inc is a huge company and they will use all their power not to let people make products that hold even the most remote resembleance to Gregory. For instance, Oblo had to ask permission to Coke to run Crimson Cadet, since Coke threatened to sue him because they own white plus red. Valve sued Tombery for the carbon novelties that depict the Half-Life Lambda. Riot Games
sued GMK for GMK Toxic because the LoL community actually owns the rights to be the most toxic. The list goes on.

I can confirm that he has been hearing from our lawyers 

Jokes aside glwgb

#justice4zamb

[harlekein]

I just don't want a face on my keyboard.

You lost me there.

[Oblotzky]

Exhibit for the Defense: IMO Serika and Gregory are quite different and I would never consider purchasing Gregory. I would, and am, considering Serika. I just don't want a face on my keyboard.

It is very hard to establish IP around a color. See Susan G Komen Foundation attempt to trademark the color Pink. I'm not going to pretend I know how this will play out (in the EU?), but in the US this case likely would be considered frivolous and get thrown out on summary judgment. Defining characteristic of Gregory is the face: eyes, nose, etc. Without, this is just a yellow and beige set. What's next? Disney sues for BoW because in infringes on 101 Dalmatians?

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Zambumon is being sued in the EU as I said (Spain). Doggo Inc. has sued him in the US, Americas, Mexico, Brazil, South America, the Guyanas, Australia, Germany, Chile, Spain and Butan.  I know he won the cause here in Brazil because I actually helped him; it was pretty easy since the lawyers of Doggo Inc thought in Brazil we speak spanish when we actually speak brazilian, a dialect of portuguese, which is a dialect of Latin, which is a dialect of Greek, where gay sex was invented. In Australia, him and Wilba won the case arguing that Sydney actually isn't Australia's capital. Oblotzki said he'd help in Germany, but just after he finishes his currywurst. He's losing the processes in the other countries, though.

As for IP protection, you know how big companies are. Doggo Inc is a huge company and they will use all their power not to let people make products that hold even the most remote resembleance to Gregory. For instance, Oblo had to ask permission to Coke to run Crimson Cadet, since Coke threatened to sue him because they own white plus red. Valve sued Tombery for the carbon novelties that depict the Half-Life Lambda. Riot Games
sued GMK for GMK Toxic because the LoL community actually owns the rights to be the most toxic. The list goes on.

I can confirm that he has been hearing from our lawyers 

Jokes aside glwgb

Kid,

If you have anything to say in term of IP, feel free to sue. And lose.
In the event you don’t understand IP law, I would suggest you to get a lawyer.
 

@Gondolindrim Please don’t entertain those people who does not understand life in general.

[harlekein]

Kid,

If you have anything to say in term of IP, feel free to sue. And lose.
In the event you don’t understand IP law, I would suggest you to get a lawyer.

[Zambumon]

Kid,

If you have anything to say in term of IP, feel free to sue. And lose.
In the event you don’t understand IP law, I would suggest you to get a lawyer.

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For context: Oblotzky's post is a quote from an e-mail exchange with HK Gaming.

Congrats, you have missed the joke.

[T0mb3ry]

For context: https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/jpyzzk/so_a_hk_gaming_reseller_thought_that_it_would_be/

[Gondolindrim]

This IC has been turned into a mematic bomb

I love it

[Oblotzky]

Kid,

If you have anything to say in term of IP, feel free to sue. And lose.
In the event you don’t understand IP law, I would suggest you to get a lawyer.

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For context: Oblotzky's post is a quote from an e-mail exchange with HK Gaming.

Congrats, you have missed the joke.

Tbf it was an obscure reference, so I'll let it slide  ;)

[depletedvespene]

x

[harlekein]

For context: https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/jpyzzk/so_a_hk_gaming_reseller_thought_that_it_would_be/

I didn't know this. Amazing. And it makes Oblotzky's a top tier comment.

So I feel like the superman I posted now.

But there's worse things than feeling like superman.

[azzipa]

.

[diorite]

This is something that for the first round or Striker wasn't able to fix and I'd really like to change for this round.

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Did I just hear you say Striker round 2?

I didn't know I could be more hype than I already am for Serika r2.

[konstantin]

Did I just hear you say Striker round 2?

I didn't know I could be more hype than I already am for Serika r2.

Well then.

https://zambumon.com/striker-2/

[Zambumon]

GMK SERIKA 2 IS NOW LIVE!

Please, head over to the group buy thread
(pending moderation approval)