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Offline Triticus

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 13:44:01 »
i have never tried DSS but might just be getting this to try since its WoB, GLWIC

Yo, been a while since you posted, but thank you for the interest. Kitting update coming soon too...

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | GB Date and Vendors Announced
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 15:46:05 »
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possible first dss kit for me. i appreciate wob, and already have gmk and mt3 (and i really, really do not like mt3 due to height and scoops) with kat refined on the way.

i appreciate the option for macos kit however i just realized that windows could be a kit, also. then people get what they want without paying for keys that they will *never* use. alternatively, maybe add two 1.5u system keys and another 1u alt key to base? only respond if you want, this is just my standard complaint about having windows format as the only choice in base kit for tsangan/hhkb bottom row.

glwic  :thumb:

Hey thank you for the interest and the feedback. I think if MT3 felt too high DSS is definitely more similar to GMK (Cherry) height wise, just sculpted. Hope you enjoy it if you pick it up.

For the 1.5u System keys and that extra alt, these are keys I keep adding to the base kit and someone inevitably tells me to pull them. Definitely makes sense from a "MacOS support in the base  60% mod kit" but I think this is a "there has to be a cut line somewhere" situation. I have the MacOS child kit to add full Mac legend support and I don't know if Windows users would miss 1.5u System keys as I think in 1.5u instances the Win key is 1u, or non-existent (WKL). So, as I try adding keys back in in my non-public iterations these keys always stick out as a relatively easy cut.

I don't see 1.5u System or equivalent legends in some recent GMK kits, but if these are missed from this set I'll definitely consider them.

i really appreciate your direct response so i'll do my best not to pollute this thread. 1.5u system keys are rarely missed by anyone except mac users interested in tsangan/hhkb. your macos child kit is a decent way to satisfy this niche - and a lot more than what's in most kits. and fwiw, i don't buy gmk kits that force me into a windows-keyed tsangan bottom row. recent kits that support my niche view include stealth (in base), seafarer (in base), hunt (in base), taiga (with extension kit), monochrome (with commando kit), modern ink (with novelties), retro runic (with extension), dualshot 2 (with addition), and currently-abandoned ada (with extension kit). epbt 6085, wapuro, solaria, dreamscape, bow cyrillic, scandi, and space camp (code, not super) also have my desired kitting in base. thanks for reading!

edit: add gmk monochrome, modern ink, retro runic, dualshot 2; epbt dreamscape, bow cyrillic, and scandi
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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | GB Date and Vendors Announced
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 19:16:23 »

I'm a fan of the minimalistic WOB aesthetic!
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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 10:50:43 »
I've updated the kitting once more. Decided to pull apart the 40% and Ortho kits into separate kits to let an alpha kit + a mod kit for each be priced lower yet offer solid compatibility for each. Also, decided to include a full Colemak alpha kit vs just the compatibility kit. Also, pulled accent bars from the accent kits for cost/the bars are mostly just DSA anyway, which can be found on pimpmykeyboard.com regularly. I will absolutely produce a DSS bars kit in these colors once those molds are available. I also did pull all the accents back to accent kits.

The kitting here is feeling really good to me. The design goals with this set are good coverage with a reasonable entry price. I think I've kit that mark, as you will be able to pickup an alpha kit and a mod kit for a reasonable price and expand into coverage, accents, language compatibility, bars as needed.

The google feedback form has been updated with this kitting, so drop any additional feedback there or reply here or jump into my discord.

I got a quote on this kitting and am working on pricing, there should be an update soon on that.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 11:22:16 »
nice work, and glwgb  :thumb:

it looks like you've put a LOT of thought into kitting and i'm looking forward to trying dss profile, however i'm a bit sad looking at 60/65/75/TKL kit and realizing i only need 14 of 65 keys (and it's down to 10 with macos kit).


edit: DSS spec sheet found here
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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 14:29:32 »
nice work, and glwgb  :thumb:

it looks like you've put a LOT of thought into kitting and i'm looking forward to trying dss profile, however i'm a bit sad looking at 60/65/75/TKL kit and realizing i only need 14 of 65 keys (and it's down to 10 with macos kit).


edit: DSS spec sheet found here

Thanks! Yes a lot of focus on kitting. The question is how will this more a-la-carte kitting perform vs a more standard larger base kit.

Are you a 60% user? Yeah I think I was able to improve having to buy extra keys for other sizes, and left the 60%+ crowd with a setup like a non-numpad GMK set. Which, I was relying on that being fairly "normal" and expected. If I didn't have the other compatibility kits I probably would have pulled out the function row and TKL keys into an expansion pack.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 14:48:42 »
Thanks! Yes a lot of focus on kitting. The question is how will this more a-la-carte kitting perform vs a more standard larger base kit.

Are you a 60% user? Yeah I think I was able to improve having to buy extra keys for other sizes, and left the 60%+ crowd with a setup like a non-numpad GMK set. Which, I was relying on that being fairly "normal" and expected. If I didn't have the other compatibility kits I probably would have pulled out the function row and TKL keys into an expansion pack.

i think the a la carte will work well, but just my opinion. dss dolch and tecla both had many kits, and kat refined used a similar approach last fall (in case you haven't looked at that set). either way, i'm getting a bit excited to try out dss. and i might just grab the red accents for dss dolch still offered by SP at pimpmykeyboard since the kit is only $8.


EDIT: maybe take a look at your numpad keys? it looks like you have "+" in place of "" (and awesome that you didn't choose "/"). also, your minus sign is barely a dash and looks to be a bit small compared to the other symbols, but it could be the multiplication sign is very large. or maybe your renders use a different font? (even your alphas look very different.) your kit is shown with dss dolch and dss carpenteria which both have symbols that look more proportional.

2d EDIT: dss lightcycle was put into ic yesterday. the numpad legends look much more consistent and also use the smaller SP font.

   



edit: numpad comments and images added
2d edit: found out SP uses two different fonts; added link to dss lightcycle
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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 06 June 2021, 08:28:24 »
Thanks! Yes a lot of focus on kitting. The question is how will this more a-la-carte kitting perform vs a more standard larger base kit.

Are you a 60% user? Yeah I think I was able to improve having to buy extra keys for other sizes, and left the 60%+ crowd with a setup like a non-numpad GMK set. Which, I was relying on that being fairly "normal" and expected. If I didn't have the other compatibility kits I probably would have pulled out the function row and TKL keys into an expansion pack.

i think the a la carte will work well, but just my opinion. dss dolch and tecla both had many kits, and kat refined used a similar approach last fall (in case you haven't looked at that set). either way, i'm getting a bit excited to try out dss. and i might just grab the red accents for dss dolch still offered by SP at pimpmykeyboard since the kit is only $8.


EDIT: maybe take a look at your numpad keys? it looks like you have "+" in place of "" (and awesome that you didn't choose "/"). also, your minus sign is barely a dash and looks to be a bit small compared to the other symbols, but it could be the multiplication sign is very large. or maybe your renders use a different font? (even your alphas look very different.) your kit is shown with dss dolch and dss carpenteria which both have symbols that look more proportional.

2d EDIT: dss lightcycle was put into ic yesterday. the numpad legends look much more consistent and also use the smaller SP font.

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edit: numpad comments and images added
2d edit: found out SP uses two different fonts; added link to dss lightcycle


Yooo, all great points. I'll fix the division symbol and update the minus to a larger dash. The intention is definitely to match those existing DSS examples. Any variation in the legends in my renders is the fact that I'm not using the same font as SP uses, because I don't think there is a complete webfont version of that specific font. I'm using the font Comfortaa because it's pretty close, but it has full symbol support. It's closer I think than the default font for DSA that KLE pulls in. I'm going to try and have a specific legend discussion with SP around some of these to make sure their visually consistent, like there was a question along the way around the *, to get a 5 point asterisk vs the 6 on dolch.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 23:52:32 »
Please consider adding a second tab to the TKL kit so it can cover 2 boards.

Also, I think the row labels for the numpad are off by one after that top row; home row should be R3 instead of R4, right? Same thing with the 40s kit; top row is R2.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 06:04:09 »
Please consider adding a second tab to the TKL kit so it can cover 2 boards.

Also, I think the row labels for the numpad are off by one after that top row; home row should be R3 instead of R4, right? Same thing with the 40s kit; top row is R2.


i think it should be
R2
R3
R4
R3
R3
R3

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 07:17:54 »
Please consider adding a second tab to the TKL kit so it can cover 2 boards.

Also, I think the row labels for the numpad are off by one after that top row; home row should be R3 instead of R4, right? Same thing with the 40s kit; top row is R2.

Please consider adding a second tab to the TKL kit so it can cover 2 boards.

Also, I think the row labels for the numpad are off by one after that top row; home row should be R3 instead of R4, right? Same thing with the 40s kit; top row is R2.


i think it should be
R2
R3
R4
R3
R3
R3

You are absolutely right! I'll fix those labels, thanks for calling them out. Though for some reason Imgur is failing to let me upload images right now...so those image links might break. I'll try again in a few.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 07:38:50 »
All fixed now!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 09:49:43 »
All fixed now!

 :thumb: Looking forward to the GB!

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 10:13:09 »
Good enough. Would like to see some other accents, but there is a good variety

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 11:05:00 »
Good enough. Would like to see some other accents, but there is a good variety

Good enough is my middle name, lol. You talking other colors? I wanted more too, red...pink... Might do some stand-alone accent kits later on.

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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #65 on: Sat, 19 June 2021, 07:14:52 »
In the render for the alphas kit, this key has the wrong legend, it should be [' @], not [1 @]:


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Re: [IC] DSS White on Black | Kitting Update - Pricing Soon
« Reply #66 on: Sat, 19 June 2021, 08:29:47 »
The image for the Colemak Alpha kit has the bottom four keys [B D R K] labeled as R3. Am I correct in thinking that they should be R2?