Post by: Benitone on Fri, 13 September 2019, 02:38:26
All the nice images are posted on Reddit, and all the development is happening on deskthority.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 September 2019, 03:09:42
it's like yomega, comes and goes ..
Post by: Sintpinty on Fri, 13 September 2019, 06:04:59
mech-key is on the out phase.
it's like yomega, comes and goes ..
mechkeebs are a trend for most gamers... they come and go.
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 13 September 2019, 06:26:58
But a some years ago, yes there was a large influx of new users for a while.
Reddit is for kids with more money than attention span.
I haven't noticed a surge of development activity on Deskthority.
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 13 September 2019, 07:04:10
mech-key is on the out phase.
it's like yomega, comes and goes ..
not even close, they're bigger than ever right now.
geekhack is just dated
Post by: ideus on Fri, 13 September 2019, 07:37:03
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 13 September 2019, 09:38:35
You had people getting excited about SP or GMK producing basic sets, and many of the first real good GBs were set up here. GH created a number of things that are taken for granted now, like Moogle kits and so on.
But it's from a time when Cherry switches weren't necessarily considered 'standard,' as many of the keyboard users here had no intention to move away from buckling springs, Topre, Matias, or more obscure keyboards that are no longer made. 'Mechanical Keyboard' on GeekHack meant just that: a mechanical that is just as likely a Model F as a Cherry MX Red.
But mechanical keyboards took off in a big way in the last 5 or so years, and for the huge influx of new users, "mechanical keyboard" means "RGB MX Gaming Keyboard." The explosion of MX and clones enlarged the subgroup of actual Cherry enthusiasts, which is a large part of what the Reddit group represents.
So the new wave is Cherry-inspired, it derives from the popularity of MX and the burgeoning clones. A number of them own BS keyboards for cred, and the hardcore know a lot about the classic designs, but the hobby is really now about customizing Cherry.
So GH belongs to an earlier era, before mechanical keyboards reached mass-market acceptance, when people were still excited they could get Dolch and Olivetti, or modernization keycaps for their old sets.
As someone who became involved in all this a year-ago, it was clear to me that 90% of the action was on Reddit. I still found GH links because they come up when you search for things, but I think most people are going to Reddit to ask their questions. The bulletin-board format is considered outdated compared to Reddit, and now Discord, so it increases the 'niche' aspect of GH.
GH is kind of like a storied old library that contains many interesting texts somewhat forgotten, where people still go to get access to certain materials that aren't found elsewhere. And there's a group of dedicated volunteers (group buys) performing a community service that brings people to the library. And Reddit is a giant bazaar where everyone is going, where people proudly display their keyboards and stuff.
I think it's kind of sad that keyboard discussion is divided up among various websites, but they represent different times at which different groups of people coalesced. And the Reddit group does seem like a place where people mostly post pictures of their keyboards instead of engaging in finer discussion. The discussion of specifics has moved to Discord, where it's become little societies. So that's where it's at right now.
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:16:59
Geekhack, it seems to me, is of an earlier time when mechanical keyboards were less well-known, and more of a 'niche' hobby.
You had people getting excited about SP or GMK producing basic sets, and many of the first real good GBs were set up here. GH created a number of things that are taken for granted now, like Moogle kits and so on.
But it's from a time when Cherry switches weren't necessarily considered 'standard,' as many of the keyboard users here had no intention to move away from buckling springs, Topre, Matias, or more obscure keyboards that are no longer made. 'Mechanical Keyboard' on GeekHack meant just that: a mechanical that is just as likely a Model F as a Cherry MX Red.
But mechanical keyboards took off in a big way in the last 5 or so years, and for the huge influx of new users, "mechanical keyboard" means "RGB MX Gaming Keyboard." The explosion of MX and clones enlarged the subgroup of actual Cherry enthusiasts, which is a large part of what the Reddit group represents.
So the new wave is Cherry-inspired, it derives from the popularity of MX and the burgeoning clones. A number of them own BS keyboards for cred, and the hardcore know a lot about the classic designs, but the hobby is really now about customizing Cherry.
So GH belongs to an earlier era, before mechanical keyboards reached mass-market acceptance, when people were still excited they could get Dolch and Olivetti, or modernization keycaps for their old sets.
As someone who became involved in all this a year-ago, it was clear to me that 90% of the action was on Reddit. I still found GH links because they come up when you search for things, but I think most people are going to Reddit to ask their questions. The bulletin-board format is considered outdated compared to Reddit, and now Discord, so it increases the 'niche' aspect of GH.
GH is kind of like a storied old library that contains many interesting texts somewhat forgotten, where people still go to get access to certain materials that aren't found elsewhere. And there's a group of dedicated volunteers (group buys) performing a community service that brings people to the library. And Reddit is a giant bazaar where everyone is going, where people proudly display their keyboards and stuff.
I think it's kind of sad that keyboard discussion is divided up among various websites, but they represent different times at which different groups of people coalesced. And the Reddit group does seem like a place where people mostly post pictures of their keyboards instead of engaging in finer discussion. The discussion of specifics has moved to Discord, where it's become little societies. So that's where it's at right now.
Discord is the weirdest thing to me. It's basically just the modern incarnation of the chatroom. Because of the instant message nature of the platform, it's very hard to follow conversations, and it's also hard to keep track of the multiple servers with multiple channels therein, not to mention you have to find the link to the server somewhere to begin with.
Reddit is nice for pictures, but I hate that everything is gone within a day, so no real conversation happens.
I also wonder how much the mass exodus from the Massdrop takeover affected things. A lot of people left over that for some reason. Keebtalk.com is a result of that, as if we needed even more fracturing of the community. I really don't feel like checking three forums (GH, DT, and KT), Reddit, and multiple Discord channels to keep up with everything.
Post by: 4sStylZ on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:22:36
Geekhack for the tracked conversation, and all the crazy DIY like the datahand build.
Reddits for the pics, products news, idea that people give me…
Deskthority for the old boards, and the fantastic information that you can get about « This strange switch that I have harvested on a russian IRM in a abandonned hospital »
Discord for the instant chat. If you want to get fast info and have a real feedback about your code / questions this is perfect.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 13 September 2019, 14:20:07
Post by: Signature on Fri, 13 September 2019, 14:20:45
As soon as there can be money made on a hobby the community ceases to exist. Even though GH gained a lot of members from 2016-2017 etc. it was due to the hobby commercializing and the GH community dying. These last few years we mostly get members just wanting to join artisan stuff or GBs.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 September 2019, 14:33:41
A hobby with limited options regarding switches, keysets, keyboards etc. our community would do experiments with the switches, lubes, stickers etc. just to try new stuff out and keep things intresting. I remember reading the jailhouse blue threads, watching SpamRay and tp4 promoting the ergo clear and ergodox. Starting GB's for the community, not for a vendor.
As soon as there can be money made on a hobby the community ceases to exist. Even though GH gained a lot of members from 2016-2017 etc. it was due to the hobby commercializing and the GH community dying. These last few years we mostly get members just wanting to join artisan stuff or GBs.
There's also the fact that we've been unsuccessful in attracting a female audience.
Fewer peeps want to come to a party with all dudz.
Post by: Benitone on Fri, 13 September 2019, 15:35:10
Talking of Reddit, high quality post (and I've seen some in the last days), get buried, because reddit is just a glorified Instagram. There is no shared knowledge, and nobody learns something useful.
Furthermore on gh people seem interested only in obscure layouts, and 100% and tkl aren't more available today than they were five years ago, and this lack of evolution probably upset some users. In the end it's frustrating to waste your time looking for super expensive group buys.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 13 September 2019, 16:07:45
DT are good people though, and very knowledgeable
Post by: pnkpanther65 on Fri, 13 September 2019, 16:48:36
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 13 September 2019, 16:49:59
Look back in the archives this comes up every year at this time.
Post by: yuppie on Fri, 13 September 2019, 16:54:27
I think the overall answer is "Yes". GeekHack is becoming less and less popular as time goes on.
The internet is changing and message board forums have been considered "old and slow" for some time.
Why wait for updates on a thread when I can have a conversation in real-time? Why post pictures here when the audience on Reddit and Instagram is much larger?
The culture around media and communication is changing rapidly. Discord and Slack are killing Email and it's arguable that the message board died long ago.
We've been living in an instant gratification paradigm for a while now and it's become the norm.
I think that GH is still important. Not only does it preserve the history but it also provides an alternative venue for those of us whom prefer more long-winded conversations.
I think I'll always prefer the GBs that happen here over handing my money to (Mass)Drop.
Reddit took over the trading marketplace. Instagram took over the media marketplace. Discord and Slack took over the communications. These other platforms do a better job at delivering these specific services.
All that being said, I have no intention of "leaving" geekhack or checking in less often. Interesting things still happen here and this platform is still valid for various reasons. It's just not flash or glamorous or the "hot" thing.
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 13 September 2019, 17:09:01
I still prefer geekhack for its more permanent conversations and the archival of cool moments -- the depth of having to think what you are about to write and hit that red REPLY button -- whether they be community projects or just following a DIYer's tinkering job, or an artist's growing work, as much as deskthority has served its purpose with its immensely rich wiki.
Chat services have many conveniences when speaking "live" with somebody and sharing media, but as has been mentioned, it's just ephemeral and easy to forget. Good for a few minutes or so at a time, making quick arrangements, and even automating certain processes.
Despite people participating in the more popular channels for particular reasons (buy/sell/trade, marketing/exposure, quick share), I appreciate it when they come back to GH to post their photos, share their build logs and tutorials. When it's organized in long form that you then digest in parts, slowly and carefully. When they comment on what they've done, how, and why. That's the good stuff, to me at least. I like this hobby the most when people put meaning into what they've made, collected, or constructed, and then shared for others to see in full detail.
The amount of activity is less important to me than the quality of the content being shared, and of course, the people behind said content.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 13 September 2019, 18:13:14
Reddit took over the trading marketplace. Instagram took over the media marketplace. Discord and Slack took over the communications. These other platforms do a better job at delivering these specific services.
I completely agree that this forum is ancient tech, approaching BBS and Angelfire levels of outmoddedness. But that is why many people love it, and it remains semi-relevant while still being nostalgic. I think GH has a much tighter-knit group, and people who stick around for a while become like a regular coming into the bar which is a huge part of the appeal for me - people actually have room to be themselves here and grow into the community.
There could certainly be technical and quality-of-life improvements made to GH, but that would ruin part of it's charm.
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Fri, 13 September 2019, 18:25:04
Reddit took over the trading marketplace. Instagram took over the media marketplace. Discord and Slack took over the communications. These other platforms do a better job at delivering these specific services.
I completely agree that this forum is ancient tech, approaching BBS and Angelfire levels of outmoddedness. But that is why many people love it, and it remains semi-relevant while still being nostalgic. I think GH has a much tighter-knit group, and people who stick around for a while become like a regular coming into the bar which is a huge part of the appeal for me - people actually have room to be themselves here and grow into the community.
There could certainly be technical and quality-of-life improvements made to GH, but that would ruin part of it's charm.
This is part of the reason I made a GH account in the first place. I saw it as a way to potentially find some community and engage with people more than is possible on reddit and discord, both of which I echo the previous sentiments made about them.
Feel like I came to the party a bit to late, but always worth a shot :)
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 13 September 2019, 18:35:33
Reddit took over the trading marketplace. Instagram took over the media marketplace. Discord and Slack took over the communications. These other platforms do a better job at delivering these specific services.
I completely agree that this forum is ancient tech, approaching BBS and Angelfire levels of outmoddedness. But that is why many people love it, and it remains semi-relevant while still being nostalgic. I think GH has a much tighter-knit group, and people who stick around for a while become like a regular coming into the bar which is a huge part of the appeal for me - people actually have room to be themselves here and grow into the community.
There could certainly be technical and quality-of-life improvements made to GH, but that would ruin part of it's charm.
This is part of the reason I made a GH account in the first place. I saw it as a way to potentially find some community and engage with people more than is possible on reddit and discord, both of which I echo the previous sentiments made about them.
Feel like I came to the party a bit to late, but always worth a shot :)
Yeah the heyday did seem to be 4 or 5 years ago. One issue is that a lot of the more popular OG members have left or gone MIA. Some members sales would always drive up GH traffic by like 400% and afterwards there would always be a few new people who wind up staying, but without those huge headliner sales the new member rate has slown down a fair bit.
Ironically some of them left because GH was getting more popular, whether they would admit that or not.
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Fri, 13 September 2019, 18:38:34
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 13 September 2019, 18:50:43
I don't do discord or slack or Instagram.
I use reddit occasionally to buy and sell things.
I rarely go to DT.
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Post by: fpazos on Fri, 13 September 2019, 21:07:08
As I'm a programmer more than a gamer I felt in love with the community, the custom keebs and the most with the "making stuff together" thread.
One detail is that I never used Reddit until someday less than a year ago when I started to feel that I was missing important news and things of the community that you could find previously (few months before) on gh (for example the group buys).
Another point is that there isn't too much innovation now as if the keebs had reached its peak development. Now I see the new custom keebs or keykaps and I see them as some variation of something that I have already seen before.
Also, unfortunatelly most of the people can't spend thousands of dollars on several custom keebs (indeed I only have one diy under 150, have been working one year on a second one, and maybe someday I'll join a gb or buy a gmk set).
For me the important thing is that you can solve almost any doubt or curiosity you'll have searching gh. You have amazing info, build logs and other really interesting things. And the most important thing for me is:
You'll always find amazing people willing to help you, listen to you and give you their very well formed opinions (not mine hahaha) if you need it. Just as right now. So for me it's not death.
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Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 14 September 2019, 03:39:07
I completely agree that this forum is ancient tech, approaching BBS and Angelfire levels of outmoddedness. But that is why many people love it, and it remains semi-relevant while still being nostalgic. I think GH has a much tighter-knit group, and people who stick around for a while become like a regular coming into the bar which is a huge part of the appeal for me - people actually have room to be themselves here and grow into the community.People need to be careful with those other systems, they do not archive info as well or the same way and are usually managed by companies just out for the money.
There could certainly be technical and quality-of-life improvements made to GH, but that would ruin part of it's charm.
Yes, you get a faster conversation, but the data has almost zero value, it's here today, gone tomorrow. This leads to a bigger issue, the same questions keep coming up over ad over again and if people have no investment they too are here today gone tomorrow. You can say people don't care about that, but at the same time, that's exactly the point, they don't care. They don't care to stick around, they don't care if the site sticks around and once the users leave, the company who owns will also nit stick around. Is anyone archiving the Reddit boards? How about Facebook? Google Groups? If those companies dump that system do you honestly think there is a chance in hell you could get them to turn over the data?
Sure, this place could also shut down, same with Deskthority and other forums, but odds are someone could get the data, and much of the important stuff is on people's drives and could be recreated if nothing else. Which I guess is the big thing to remember, sites like this are primarily about long term discussion, chat in off topic is just a byproduct. By comparison social media is more about chat, or the here and now. If Twitter died tomorrow the world would forget about it within 24 hours, meanwhile people would lament the loss the information hosted here here because it contained valuable information.
Yes, I know Reddit also has valuable info, but pinning a page of links is a hack to work around an overwhelmed search system. All of those other systems are based on chat and people are just manipulating it to handle the real data, ultimately it's a system never designed for it. As a result, as soon as the op forgets to update it or leaves that set of links and pages get confined to the dustbin because the site contains just entirely too much meaningless info to so sift through, most of which doesn't even pertain to the topic.
Will chat forums die? Eventually, but I wouldn't count on it being Reddit or a chat system or social media that does it, at least not in current form.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 14 September 2019, 03:46:04
Post by: Sintpinty on Sat, 14 September 2019, 10:56:36
Fortunately for some of us. We are almost approaching the ultimate personal keeb, the end game that will allow us to let all this KB's noise behind. Right?
Speakers should be added in mechanical keyboards keyboards that way i can annoy the hell out of the library besides putting "math is fun" in the "fiction" section.
Post by: fpazos on Sat, 14 September 2019, 11:00:29
Don't let gamers know thisFortunately for some of us. We are almost approaching the ultimate personal keeb, the end game that will allow us to let all this KB's noise behind. Right?
Speakers should be added in mechanical keyboards keyboards that way i can annoy the hell out of the library besides putting "math is fun" in the "fiction" section.
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Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 14 September 2019, 13:57:37
Fortunately for some of us. We are almost approaching the ultimate personal keeb, the end game that will allow us to let all this KB's noise behind. Right?
Speakers should be added in mechanical keyboards keyboards that way i can annoy the hell out of the library besides putting "math is fun" in the "fiction" section.
I kinda do want a kb with a speaker that calls out every letter you type in a loud annoying voice
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 14 September 2019, 14:01:00
Post by: ArchDill on Sat, 14 September 2019, 14:11:21
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 15 September 2019, 22:32:32
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 15 September 2019, 23:57:42
Lots of good points being made here.
I think the overall answer is "Yes". GeekHack is becoming less and less popular as time goes on.
The internet is changing and message board forums have been considered "old and slow" for some time.
Why wait for updates on a thread when I can have a conversation in real-time? Why post pictures here when the audience on Reddit and Instagram is much larger?
The culture around media and communication is changing rapidly. Discord and Slack are killing Email and it's arguable that the message board died long ago.
We've been living in an instant gratification paradigm for a while now and it's become the norm.
I think that GH is still important. Not only does it preserve the history but it also provides an alternative venue for those of us whom prefer more long-winded conversations.
I think I'll always prefer the GBs that happen here over handing my money to (Mass)Drop.
Reddit took over the trading marketplace. Instagram took over the media marketplace. Discord and Slack took over the communications. These other platforms do a better job at delivering these specific services.
All that being said, I have no intention of "leaving" geekhack or checking in less often. Interesting things still happen here and this platform is still valid for various reasons. It's just not flash or glamorous or the "hot" thing.
Well said! I agree 100% Reddit is wonderful for Mechmarket. IG is great for media. Discord/ Slack is amazing for fast chat. Geekhack is still my favorite though and its wonderful for archiving and GBs. I do love posting images here. Me and Diego are the only ones it seems.... lol Ill always love the orange and black theme. If it ever went away Id be depressed...
Post by: woodruff on Mon, 16 September 2019, 09:05:40
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102444.0
Post by: xtrafrood on Mon, 16 September 2019, 09:55:35
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 16 September 2019, 11:55:51
The site's not dying.
Also mechanical keyboards are hot right now, best time in history, there would need to be something massively wrong with the site for a casual observer to notice a large drop in people.
Post by: woodruff on Mon, 16 September 2019, 12:51:14
Post by: ideus on Mon, 16 September 2019, 17:09:12
(Attachment Link)This is very good stuff. Thank you for sharing.
Post by: woodruff on Tue, 17 September 2019, 03:58:23
number of gh comments: 5?
number of reddit comments: 80 or more
Post by: ideus on Tue, 17 September 2019, 07:38:56
Today unicomp showed a new ssk, designed and made by them, this is THE news for buckling spring aficionados, it's a thing that has been discussed for decades.Any link? I found nothing at Unicomp site.
number of gh comments: 5?
number of reddit comments: 80 or more
Post by: woodruff on Tue, 17 September 2019, 07:42:23
Today unicomp showed a new ssk, designed and made by them, this is THE news for buckling spring aficionados, it's a thing that has been discussed for decades.Any link? I found nothing at Unicomp site.
number of gh comments: 5?
number of reddit comments: 80 or more
Somewhere it was told that it was on unicomp's facebook? I can't check right now :-(
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 17 September 2019, 12:16:45
Today unicomp showed a new ssk, designed and made by them, this is THE news for buckling spring aficionados, it's a thing that has been discussed for decades.
number of gh comments: 5?
number of reddit comments: 80 or more
well sure, Reddit has a much more active throwaway base. I imagine someone will post an in-depth review with loads of comments once it's released here.
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 17 September 2019, 13:03:29
Today unicomp showed a new ssk, designed and made by them, this is THE news for buckling spring aficionados, it's a thing that has been discussed for decades.Any link? I found nothing at Unicomp site.
number of gh comments: 5?
number of reddit comments: 80 or more
Somewhere it was told that it was on unicomp's facebook? I can't check right now :-(
This might help: https://www.facebook.com/PCKeyboard/
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 17 September 2019, 15:05:47
Today unicomp showed a new ssk, designed and made by them, this is THE news for buckling spring aficionados, it's a thing that has been discussed for decades.Any link? I found nothing at Unicomp site.
number of gh comments: 5?
number of reddit comments: 80 or more
Somewhere it was told that it was on unicomp's facebook? I can't check right now :-(
This might help: https://www.facebook.com/PCKeyboard/
I don't even see the SSK on that page though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I do remember when they posted an announcement on April 1st, 2013 (or 2014?) that they had something in the works. Hardly surprised that there isn't a ton of fanfare over something that many assumed must have been a joke...
Post by: romevi on Tue, 17 September 2019, 15:07:17
Today unicomp showed a new ssk, designed and made by them, this is THE news for buckling spring aficionados, it's a thing that has been discussed for decades.Any link? I found nothing at Unicomp site.
number of gh comments: 5?
number of reddit comments: 80 or more
Somewhere it was told that it was on unicomp's facebook? I can't check right now :-(
This might help: https://www.facebook.com/PCKeyboard/
I don't even see the SSK on that page though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I do remember when they posted an announcement on April 1st, 2013 (or 2014?) that they had something in the works. Hardly surprised that there isn't a ton of fanfare over something that many assumed must have been a joke...
Ha; wow. I saw that photo, saw the large wall of text, and kept scrolling. I totally missed the SSK.
(Hoff, it's next to the lady.)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 17 September 2019, 15:12:53
Ha; wow. I saw that photo, saw the large wall of text, and kept scrolling. I totally missed the SSK.
(Hoff, it's next to the lady.)
Haha! Yeah, I did the same. And now that I've read the text, I can confirm that it doesn't even mention the SSK. :)) Why wouldn't they make an announcement and a little more of a to do about it?? Must not be finished?
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 17 September 2019, 15:38:25
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 17 September 2019, 16:36:59
Probably because the demand for SSK is low compared to the demand of known full size keyboards? How many schools or offices you think might order SSKs in bulk?
Very true, but I think they know of the demand for the SSK in the hobbyist community here. Would be worth a mention and a bit of an announcement, no?
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 17 September 2019, 16:39:21
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 17 September 2019, 16:45:18
Probably because the demand for SSK is low compared to the demand of known full size keyboards? How many schools or offices you think might order SSKs in bulk?
Very true, but I think they know of the demand for the SSK in the hobbyist community here. Would be worth a mention and a bit of an announcement, no?
Maybe they're thinking a picture of an actual SSK is worth a thousand words? I'm surprised that someone hasn't called/emailed Unicomp for confirmation.
edit - I guess I was technically correct :-[ https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102458.msg2811410#msg2811410
tl;dr - Unicomp is working on it, but not ready to announce anything regarding the SSK just yet.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 17 September 2019, 17:48:24
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 September 2019, 18:37:26
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer .... non-mobile .... browsing experience to .... mobile sites
They .... butchered and harder to navigate
I couldn't have said ti better myself.
Post by: woodruff on Wed, 18 September 2019, 05:15:38
Today unicomp showed a new ssk, designed and made by them, this is THE news for buckling spring aficionados, it's a thing that has been discussed for decades.
number of gh comments: 5?
number of reddit comments: 80 or more
well sure, Reddit has a much more active throwaway base. I imagine someone will post an in-depth review with loads of comments once it's released here.
The Deskthority thread about that topic is quite interesting and contains insightful posts (about 40). Do they have a throwaway base too??
Post by: woodruff on Wed, 18 September 2019, 05:16:25
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
It's very hard to use gh on mobile phones, it's almost unreadable. And no, I don't want to use tapatalk.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 September 2019, 05:26:11
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
It's very hard to use gh on mobile phones, it's almost unreadable. And no, I don't want to use tapatalk.
I primarily access geekhack from my android phone and have for years, granted I mostly use Tapatalk but occasionally use chrome for tasks Tapatalk can't handle.
I don't get what's so bad about it? How is it unreadable? I use dark themes if that makes a difference.
Attached are screen shots of what it looks like for me.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/05372e39437df4b0005ae673a8a65b09.jpg)
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Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 18 September 2019, 05:47:05
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
It's very hard to use gh on mobile phones, it's almost unreadable. And no, I don't want to use tapatalk.
I primarily access geekhack from my android phone and have for years, granted I mostly use Tapatalk but occasionally use chrome for tasks Tapatalk can't handle.
I don't get what's so bad about it? How is it unreadable? I use dark themes if that makes a difference.
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Pretty much what I see, though I use the ultra posh Austere theme so kinda the inverse in a way. I use Firefox for Android devices which displays the site well enough for my liking.
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Wed, 18 September 2019, 07:42:17
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
It's very hard to use gh on mobile phones, it's almost unreadable. And no, I don't want to use tapatalk.
I primarily access geekhack from my android phone and have for years, granted I mostly use Tapatalk but occasionally use chrome for tasks Tapatalk can't handle.
I don't get what's so bad about it? How is it unreadable? I use dark themes if that makes a difference.
Attached are screen shots of what it looks like for me.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/05372e39437df4b0005ae673a8a65b09.jpg)
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Also use both chrome(testing Brave browser currently actually) and Tapatalk and find no major issues.
Though I find Tapatalk to be easier overall once I learned to navigate it.
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 18 September 2019, 08:37:21
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
Understandable, but if GH were to upgrade their phpbb backend to 3.2, they'd be able to make the site MUCH more readable on mobile browsers while still retaining its overall character. For example, have a look at the phpbb support forums (https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewforum.php?f=551).
Here's a comparison of their desktop default interface versus the mobile interface. The main thing is that fonts are much more readable at smaller screen sizes.
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This wouldn't immediately solve the problem of people shifting away from forum-based communication, but it would help make it easier for mobile users to continue to participate.
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 18 September 2019, 08:45:30
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
Understandable, but if GH were to upgrade their phpbb backend to 3.2, they'd be able to make the site MUCH more readable on mobile browsers while still retaining its overall character. For example, have a look at the phpbb support forums (https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewforum.php?f=551).
Here's a comparison of their desktop default interface versus the mobile interface. The main thing is that fonts are much more readable at smaller screen sizes.
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This wouldn't immediately solve the problem of people shifting away from forum-based communication, but it would help make it easier for mobile users to continue to participate.
gh uses smf, not phpbb - the whole forum would have to be converted to phpbb to do that
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 18 September 2019, 08:46:31
I primarily access geekhack from my android phone and have for years, granted I mostly use Tapatalk but occasionally use chrome for tasks Tapatalk can't handle.
I don't get what's so bad about it? How is it unreadable? I use dark themes if that makes a difference.
Also use both chrome(testing Brave browser currently actually) and Tapatalk and find no major issues.
Though I find Tapatalk to be easier overall once I learned to navigate it.
I've used Tapatalk before on other forums, and it comes with its own issues. It inserts its own ads into the forums you visit. It alters the formatting of posts in nonconstructive ways. Its notification settings weren't granular enough; either you got far too many or nearly none at all. From a backend standpoint, it requires the forum to allow Tapatalk to create user logins that completely bypass the normal process, making it really difficult to help that user with login issues if they ever decide to stop using Tapatalk.
Tapatalk was a stop-gap solution for dealing with phpbb on a mobile device. With phpbb 3.2 and its CSS improvements, it's far less valuable.
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 18 September 2019, 08:50:15
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 18 September 2019, 08:51:19
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
Understandable, but if GH were to upgrade their phpbb backend to 3.2, they'd be able to make the site MUCH more readable on mobile browsers while still retaining its overall character. For example, have a look at the phpbb support forums (https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewforum.php?f=551).
Here's a comparison of their desktop default interface versus the mobile interface. The main thing is that fonts are much more readable at smaller screen sizes.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
This wouldn't immediately solve the problem of people shifting away from forum-based communication, but it would help make it easier for mobile users to continue to participate.
gh uses smf, not phpbb - the whole forum would have to be converted to phpbb to do that
Interesting. They're really quite similar, so I hadn't noticed the difference between the two. It would appear that SMF is a fork of phpbb, since they both run on open-source backend software.
The equivalent to phpbb 3.2 appears to be SMF 2.1, which was just released.
Post by: woodruff on Wed, 18 September 2019, 10:20:41
One other consideration: categorized forums are becoming less popular as a means for hobbyists to congregate. It’s especially noticeable for all the phpbb forums (like this one) that haven’t updated to the latest software with mobile browser support.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer the non-mobile geekhack browsing experience to many mobile sites out there. They usually end up butchered and harder to navigate, rather than keeping the clean desktop look. But I do realize I'm probably in the minority there. :D
There is always tapatalk if you want to fully embrace the mobile experience. ;)
It's very hard to use gh on mobile phones, it's almost unreadable. And no, I don't want to use tapatalk.
I primarily access geekhack from my android phone and have for years, granted I mostly use Tapatalk but occasionally use chrome for tasks Tapatalk can't handle.
I don't get what's so bad about it? How is it unreadable? I use dark themes if that makes a difference.
Attached are screen shots of what it looks like for me.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/05372e39437df4b0005ae673a8a65b09.jpg)
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Hi, my phone screen is a little smaller than 5 inches, and I can't read many part of the posts, like usernames so it's not usable for me, since I need to zoom in and out very often. Tweaking the site using fonts with an identical size would be easier on the eyes.
Post by: nmur on Fri, 20 September 2019, 01:02:22
However, because my timezone doesn't sync up well with the active period of most of the community (ie 9pm here is like 4am in USA), so I'm either sleeping or working when slack/discord is at its most active.
Even when GH was at its most active, 24 hours wasn't really a long period of time, and I could easily catch up on my Watched threads after work (I can't really "catch up" with slack/discord, it's 1000s of lines of uncatagorised IMs). Instagram is probably the closest experience to that, but media:discussion ratio on IG is a lot higher than GH, so it feels like less of a place to hang out than it feels like a "look what I got" type place.
All that being said, I haven't been as active in the hobby this year because I managed to get most of my goal boards, and I don't don't have a burning need for any others any more.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 20 September 2019, 07:53:20
Personally, I don't mind that a lot of the community has shifted to slack/discord, I really enjoy hanging out on those platforms in fact.This +1000
However, because my timezone doesn't sync up well with the active period of most of the community (ie 9pm here is like 4am in USA), so I'm either sleeping or working when slack/discord is at its most active.
Even when GH was at its most active, 24 hours wasn't really a long period of time, and I could easily catch up on my Watched threads after work (I can't really "catch up" with slack/discord, it's 1000s of lines of uncatagorised IMs). Instagram is probably the closest experience to that, but media:discussion ratio on IG is a lot higher than GH, so it feels like less of a place to hang out than it feels like a "look what I got" type place.
All that being said, I haven't been as active in the hobby this year because I managed to get most of my goal boards, and I don't don't have a burning need for any others any more.
Be able to speak with people around the globe is one of those things that make GH a great site.