Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 02 April 2018, 08:34:57
Hey boys and girls, it's time to get the ball rolling!
Orders: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18IOumQD9hxTbKlupQTYU7bqaifdyhNX8CI56jXH__sk/edit#gid=0
Photos of the second prototype:
(https://i.imgur.com/qMnAQSu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CYVtrRl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pzqSae8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qAc1RXo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jaPxRLD.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/o1rx0YA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DImDQY5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RIAJKPf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jgblmIF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R9kOwTM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iBBMv37.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yq4qXDj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1YC1bgA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/No6rdiQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JxTmmz9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tlWW00H.jpg)
Some older renders by TC: http://instagram.com/tre.vc/ (http://instagram.com/tre.vc/):
(https://i.imgur.com/XmrvAbL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FtzthoL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GhncBLq.jpg)
Photos of the first prototype, first shown at Syd Meetup:
(https://i.imgur.com/lbk8dLt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Jkvbevt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aVCQ6vU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mMgcbcx.jpg)
This is a poor camera job of how the RGB looks like: https://streamable.com/dpam9 (https://streamable.com/dpam9)
(https://i.imgur.com/DImDQY5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RIAJKPf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jgblmIF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R9kOwTM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iBBMv37.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yq4qXDj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1YC1bgA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/No6rdiQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JxTmmz9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tlWW00H.jpg)
Some older renders by TC: http://instagram.com/tre.vc/ (http://instagram.com/tre.vc/):
(https://i.imgur.com/XmrvAbL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FtzthoL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GhncBLq.jpg)
Photos of the first prototype, first shown at Syd Meetup:
(https://i.imgur.com/lbk8dLt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Jkvbevt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aVCQ6vU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mMgcbcx.jpg)
This is a poor camera job of how the RGB looks like: https://streamable.com/dpam9 (https://streamable.com/dpam9)
My attempt at trying to show off RGB: https://streamable.com/keyp2
Information:
Case: Frosted Polycarbonate, CNC milled
Plate: Brass, mirror-finished and electroplated
Weight: Same as plate
PCB: Custom designed for the MxSS by kawasaki161, White solder mask and ENIG finish
Details:
- 2.9 degrees angle on the case
- Top mount plate
- Center USB, Type-B Mini
- MX and SMK (White and Orange) switch support
- Holtite support
- No in-switch LEDs, yes to RGB underglow
- 1.5kg with plate and weight
(https://i.imgur.com/RGPP5WZ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tw7Lio3.jpg)
Black nickel-plated steel plate/weights will be lasercut from Stainless Steel grade 304, with an appearance similar to this: https://imgur.com/a/xdfXh
The reflectiveness will be better than the images shown (factory pics are never great lol). It is important to note that these will not be prototyped, but we will work with the factory to ensure they are functional. I can not guarantee the appearance.
Polycarb plate will be CNC'd and sandblasted, and again, will not be prototyped. I have tested with an acrylic plate in its place, and it has a fairly significant amount of flex in some areas. I can not guarantee the appearance or performance of this plate. Here's a pic of the acrylic plate without the protective film removed, visually similar to what I wish to get the finish to be:
(https://i.imgur.com/alZzyvK.jpg)
Group Buy Information:
- FCFS
- MOQ 20, Cap 25 (25/25 slots taken)
- Up to 2 extras may be available after the GB
Price (excluding fees + shipping):
- Base Kit (Case, Plate, Weight, PCB, GMK Stabilisers) - $350USD
- Extra Plate - $60USD
- Extra PCB - $55USD
- Black Nickel-plated Steel Plate/Weight (Extra) - $130USD
- Polycarb Plate (Extra) - $60USD
Shipping:
I'll be shipping through most likely DHL, I need to contact my shipping provider to confirm which courier they use. Shipping times are variable, here are some estimated costs and times:
- Australia, 0-6 days - $20AUD-$35AUD
- United States, 2-3 days - $70USD
- United Kingdom, 2-3 days - $75USD
- Europe - 2-3 days, $75USD
- Asia - 2-3 days, $65USD
It is really unfortunate that shipping is this expensive, but do note this is calculated conservatively. This is fully insured courier post at least, so we can rest assured that things are transported properly. While cheaper options are available, they are not worth the reduction in service.
UPDATE: After talks with my courier, we should be able to provide better prices, pending actually giving my courier correct quantities and destinations. The listed prices are the upper limit, and in the case of the United States at least, the price will most likely go down, think closer to 50USD for the US.
Deadline & Lead Times:
So our situation is that we will have to probably wait 3wks for PayPal to payout so I can pay my factory.
Current ETA:
ETA will be updated once production resumes.
As for payment, I will set a deadline of 1wk for payment.
All orders are final, I will not transfer paid slots as any refunds I do through PayPal will cause the funds to be held for an unknown period of time. See this: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92418.msg2552202#msg2552202
If you do not want a slot, please don't pay for it!
Updates:
03/04/18 - GB Opened
07/04/18 - GB Closed, Invoices out
11/04/18 - Put order in with the factory (cases/plates/weights), lead time 3-4wks
13/04/18 - Put order in with PCB factory and box factory, lead time 3-4wks
19/04/18 - Brass parts have almost finished the CNC stage
27/04/18 - Most parts nearly finished machining stage, will go into finishing stage/ manual labour after the factory take a break next week (Labor Day)
08/05/18 - Parts finished machining, PCBs getting redone, Brass parts paused post polishing until finishes are finalised
12/05/18 - Steel plates being polished, requested gold plating sample
19/05/18 - Gold plating and electrophoretic coated samples done, being shipped to me for checking
23/05/18 - Received samples, electrophoretic coating to replace UV coating, electroplating flawed on one side
28/05/18 - New PCB prototypes arrived, tested working, PCB production to finish shortly.
29/05/18 - Brass parts resumed production.
31/05/18 - Black Steel parts resumed production.
19/06/18 - First shipment arrived, one lot of cases and black nickel steel parts
25/06/18 - PCBs arrived, need to be reflashed with a bootloader
26/06/18 - Rest of parts arrived, initial QC inspection fails many, see post for explanation: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94986.msg2629255#msg2629255
10/07/18 - Firmware completed, discussing how to remake parts
26/07/18 - Brass parts sent back for rework, PCBs still being tested
05/08/18 - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94986.msg2646217#msg2646217
28/08/18 - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94986.msg2653540#msg2653540
??/??/1? - Yea look, I gave up updating this bit a while ago, check from page 3/4 for a chronology of my sadness.
11/04/18 - Paypal somehow did not freeze my money, so I've put in the order as it stands. Since it appears that at least 1 person has dropped out, possibly 2, I will advertise the positions in the GB as open slots once I can confirm it. I'm going to leave the deadline at 2mnths to give us ample time to get things done. Factory should start production mid next week, once the sample I sent get to them.
13/04/18 - Got some final numbers from both my PCB and box manufacturer, and have put in the orders for both. Added in lead times for everything so people have an idea of what we're waiting for.
08/05/18 - Cases, plates and weights have finished being machined, and are being hand finished before going on to the next stage of finishing. PCBs were awaiting components for assembly, but we discovered a flaw in the PCBs, namely that the stabiliser holes for the bottom row were in the wrong direction, so I promptly paid for another batch to be produced with the issue corrected, I am awaiting a sample of it before proceeding on that front. Brass parts are having their finish changed on account of the factory being unable to do gold electroplating, UV coating and silver electroplating being offered up.
26/06/18 - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94986.msg2629255#msg2629255 TL;DR: Cases half alright, electrophoretic coating ended up worse than expected, factory will fix things, just need a new finish (or compromise on an old one) for brass parts.
...
Some time July 2020 - All GB units delivered
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See attached files for the plate and weight.
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 02 April 2018, 11:03:15
As usual for prospective participants, Caveat Emptor (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36773.0).
Post by: TechieWeirdo on Mon, 02 April 2018, 11:11:02
Post by: YisSerL on Mon, 02 April 2018, 11:34:01
I have never tried filling in a form so quickly in my life.
Good luck, hope you get in!
I see you have a JetFire coming in (from your signature), so you should not be a stranger to the FCFS form typing test. :p
Post by: xondat on Mon, 02 April 2018, 11:45:04
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 02 April 2018, 13:35:20
Post by: Kevadu on Mon, 02 April 2018, 13:51:41
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 02 April 2018, 13:58:29
For SMK switches do you support switches with the PCB-mount stabilizer pins?Yes
Post by: TechieWeirdo on Mon, 02 April 2018, 17:45:12
I have never tried filling in a form so quickly in my life.
Good luck, hope you get in!
I see you have a JetFire coming in (from your signature), so you should not be a stranger to the FCFS form typing test. :p
Jetfire was really easy to get in, it took a while before all the slots are taken.
Post by: lac29 on Mon, 02 April 2018, 18:52:24
Post by: kmba on Mon, 02 April 2018, 19:02:44
Damnit ... I'm close to getting it but the plain blocker design and high shipping cost to US make me hesitate.
I believe the shipping quotes are the max, and could come down after the actual packaging. And in any event.. pretty much every nice board is around $420+ shipped these days. Just the way of the world. :confused:
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 02 April 2018, 19:33:52
Damnit ... I'm close to getting it but the plain blocker design and high shipping cost to US make me hesitate.
To at least give myself a fighting chance of selling it to you, you've seen the new blocker, right?
(https://i.imgur.com/qMnAQSu.jpg)
As for shipping, calculating using my current courier puts me at ~$40USD/person shipping in bulk to the US, so if my contact there can do better local shipping, we should be able to bring it down a touch. Shipping costs are really not final, I'm aware that shipping costs are really quite high, and am planning to the best of my ability to lower them.
EDIT: And as kmba said, shipping prices shouldn't increase past that since weight is calculated by volume, so shipping prices will only change by ~3USD either way based on exchange rate at the time of shipping.
Post by: hervuli on Mon, 02 April 2018, 21:07:09
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 02 April 2018, 21:38:16
Filled out the form but I'm not sure I understand the timeline (which is fine because I'm in no rush). Does "1.5 months to the end of the GB" mean 1.5 months from now until delivery of the kits? That seems... really really fast, especially with a 3 week Paypal delay?
I really hope I'm not being naive in estimating times but, I'll lay things out:
Money comes in, 3wk timer starts ticking.
We use our money to order PCBs, packing materials and the remainder stabilisers.
PCBs are soldered by someone local, this will probably take up the whole 6wks, possibly a bit longer.
When the PayPal money clears, order goes in and we have to wait ~2-2.5wks for manufacture, then 0.5wks for shipping to me.
PCB QC will happen as they're prepared, case/plate/weight QC will be done once they arrive.
I guess you are right in that 1.5mnths is a touch fast haha, I'll up it to 2 to give ourselves leeway. That said, I do not believe this whole process should take too much time, and am fairly confident in the 2mnth deadline (pray to god nothing goes wrong haha).
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 02 April 2018, 22:01:30
Post by: hervuli on Mon, 02 April 2018, 22:07:43
Filled out the form but I'm not sure I understand the timeline (which is fine because I'm in no rush). Does "1.5 months to the end of the GB" mean 1.5 months from now until delivery of the kits? That seems... really really fast, especially with a 3 week Paypal delay?
I really hope I'm not being naive in estimating times but, I'll lay things out:
Money comes in, 3wk timer starts ticking.
We use our money to order PCBs, packing materials and the remainder stabilisers.
PCBs are soldered by someone local, this will probably take up the whole 6wks, possibly a bit longer.
When the PayPal money clears, order goes in and we have to wait ~2-2.5wks for manufacture, then 0.5wks for shipping to me.
PCB QC will happen as they're prepared, case/plate/weight QC will be done once they arrive.
I guess you are right in that 1.5mnths is a touch fast haha, I'll up it to 2 to give ourselves leeway. That said, I do not believe this whole process should take too much time, and am fairly confident in the 2mnth deadline (pray to god nothing goes wrong haha).
This would be amazing. Thanks for the detail and good luck!!
Post by: Kafka on Tue, 03 April 2018, 03:41:06
Post by: bthezebra on Tue, 03 April 2018, 10:33:48
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 03 April 2018, 14:25:28
I mean, at this point, how much would it be to get an extra set of case parts?
I'm glad I got in before the cap, though. I was (and still am) really excited for this. My avatar should hopefully indicate that I love clear polycarb/acryllic stuff haha
This transparent 5* case feels like ass, though, and I can't wait for top-mounted bliss.
Also: When the heck did this all get SMK support? That's super weird and awesome. Definitely going to build my extra plate/pcb combo with SMK's now.
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 03 April 2018, 17:04:06
Black nickel, and extra pcb... Hm, most expensive keyboard I own coming soon I guess?
I mean, at this point, how much would it be to get an extra set of case parts?
I'm glad I got in before the cap, though. I was (and still am) really excited for this. My avatar should hopefully indicate that I love clear polycarb/acryllic stuff haha
This transparent 5* case feels like ass, though, and I can't wait for top-mounted bliss.
Also: When the heck did this all get SMK support? That's super weird and awesome. Definitely going to build my extra plate/pcb combo with SMK's now.
An extra set of case parts, hmm... I don't think that's too much a problem, other than that you'd have everything delivered in 2 boxes, meaning a jump in the shipping cost.
As for SMK support, some Aussie asked for it (and promptly bailed on the board :p), so we decided to go for it, since MX plates work out anyway.
What SMK switches do you plan on using? I've only got SMK Whites to test out fit and usability, and I wouldn't use any SMK switches without stabilizer pins, since some plate cutouts, the enter being the absolute worst case, don't have support from the plate.
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 03 April 2018, 18:21:35
Although I'll probably just find some linear oranges, just to say that I have an SMK custom board, and not have to fight to find decent keycaps aha.
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 03 April 2018, 19:00:39
I will close up the GB after I managed to get my PCB ready so I can show what the final product should look like with lighting and all, which should be 2-3 days.
My heart really wants to go for Monterey blues, because I'm an alps fanboy... That'd certainly be interesting.
Although I'll probably just find some linear oranges, just to say that I have an SMK custom board, and not have to fight to find decent keycaps aha.
Monterey Blues would have the issue of not really being supported in any cutout that isn't a square, I circled the worst cases in the attached pic. Linear oranges fair better, but still gotta watch alignment before you solder.
Post by: Kevadu on Tue, 03 April 2018, 20:17:32
My heart really wants to go for Monterey blues, because I'm an alps fanboy... That'd certainly be interesting.
Although I'll probably just find some linear oranges, just to say that I have an SMK custom board, and not have to fight to find decent keycaps aha.
I am definitely putting SMK switches in mine, but I'm going for the white MX-mount variety, which are clicky and feel just like Montereys only with the added bonus of supporting MX keycaps. And on top of that there are still some Chinese sites like Taobao selling new old stock of these switches. They must have had quite a cache of them. But it's win-win for me.
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 03 April 2018, 20:27:32
My heart really wants to go for Monterey blues, because I'm an alps fanboy... That'd certainly be interesting.
Although I'll probably just find some linear oranges, just to say that I have an SMK custom board, and not have to fight to find decent keycaps aha.
I am definitely putting SMK switches in mine, but I'm going for the white MX-mount variety, which are clicky and feel just like Montereys only with the added bonus of supporting MX keycaps. And on top of that there are still some Chinese sites like Taobao selling new old stock of these switches. They must have had quite a cache of them. But it's win-win for me.
Aussies have bought in hard into china's caches, which is why this board has SMK support ;D
Post by: blacksimon on Wed, 04 April 2018, 00:21:00
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 04 April 2018, 01:40:29
What this means for anyone participating is that invoices will be in AUD, rather than USD. This helps me out immensely, because the fees for conversion sting quite a bit.
beamingrobot does something similar, have a quick read if you're interested: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92418.msg2518848#msg2518848
EDIT: My factory representative said he would discuss with the finance department about it after we give him final numbers again, so things may change again. I apologise for giving people the run-around, I spoke too soon on this matter.
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 05 April 2018, 17:38:17
(https://i.imgur.com/YxeHduH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/obYXlj2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9zuhzz7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZXAOIxH.jpg)
Here's a video of how the lightning works out, do note this plate has the older blocker cutout, and I have yet to tune the brightness of the blocker LED.
https://streamable.com/ob4c7
Here's a video of the new cutout:
The GB will close in a few hours, and invoices will be sent out after I receive confirmation from my factory on how they can accept payment.
Post by: vewy_nice on Fri, 06 April 2018, 06:16:00
I've never been a fan of underglow... But I might actually use it on this board :o
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 07 April 2018, 00:02:02
If you signed up, please check your emails and pay as soon as possible so we can avoid complications and proceed with the group buy.
Thanks!
Post by: vewy_nice on Mon, 09 April 2018, 11:28:42
I wonder if they'll be done and shipped in time for me to bring it to Keycon ;) (It'd be REALLY close with the 2.5 month window.)
One can hope!
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 09 April 2018, 15:22:40
I'm excited the ball is rolling!
I wonder if they'll be done and shipped in time for me to bring it to Keycon ;) (It'd be REALLY close with the 2.5 month window.)
One can hope!
Oh crap, the pressure is on xD
As it currently stands, 18/24 people have paid their invoices, with 1 confirmed cancellation and 1 I need to follow up on. If anyone wants a base kit, or wanted to add a PCB or extra plate to their order, let me know.
Once I feel that our numbers are final, I'll send the money off to our factory (granted nothing to happens to freeze it between now and then). We'll put in orders for other small parts and packaging, and PCB once they're given a proper double check.
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 10 April 2018, 07:49:04
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 13 April 2018, 06:49:23
To summarise, we've placed orders for most things, est lead time of 3-4 wks. Once the arrive, there will be QC as well a few things that need to done prior to packing and shipment, so I'll keep the target delivery time as it is.
2 people dropped out of the GB, so I've opened up their slots, please consider filling the form if you missed out on the initial GB period.
Hope to bring you more updates soon!
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 19 April 2018, 07:40:47
A sneaky little pic ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/100gZe5.png)
Post by: superdoedoe on Thu, 19 April 2018, 20:53:01
Post by: hervuli on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:01:11
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:06:25
can someone educate me about SMK Orange switches? are they any good compared to the various MX linears that are out there (I'm currently obsessed with Silent Black stems in Zeal housings)? are there any reliable places to get them - I'm assuming NOS?
From what I heard, they're not the greatest linears, and they're fairly loud (quite different from your Zilent Blacks heh). If you wanted to buy em, probably want to hunt them on Taobao, there was a listing at one point, but I lost the link to it.
Post by: hervuli on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:09:36
can someone educate me about SMK Orange switches? are they any good compared to the various MX linears that are out there (I'm currently obsessed with Silent Black stems in Zeal housings)? are there any reliable places to get them - I'm assuming NOS?
From what I heard, they're not the greatest linears, and they're fairly loud (quite different from your Zilent Blacks heh). If you wanted to buy em, probably want to hunt them on Taobao, there was a listing at one point, but I lost the link to it.
hmm ok. i was kind of interested for the novelty of it, but that's not much of a sales pitch :)
Post by: TechieWeirdo on Fri, 20 April 2018, 01:05:04
can someone educate me about SMK Orange switches? are they any good compared to the various MX linears that are out there (I'm currently obsessed with Silent Black stems in Zeal housings)? are there any reliable places to get them - I'm assuming NOS?
From what I heard, they're not the greatest linears, and they're fairly loud (quite different from your Zilent Blacks heh). If you wanted to buy em, probably want to hunt them on Taobao, there was a listing at one point, but I lost the link to it.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.10.a0015567qACUoa&id=36560209301&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.17.a0015567qACUoa&id=540513185273&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.22.a0015567qACUoa&id=564177736190&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.37.a0015567qACUoa&id=553707792658&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.32.a0015567qACUoa&id=564693302314&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
Here's a couple links for both white and orange SMK switches.
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 20 April 2018, 01:09:08
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.10.a0015567qACUoa&id=36560209301&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.17.a0015567qACUoa&id=540513185273&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.22.a0015567qACUoa&id=564177736190&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.37.a0015567qACUoa&id=553707792658&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.32.a0015567qACUoa&id=564693302314&ns=1&abbucket=14#detail
Here's a couple links for both white and orange SMK switches.
Nice! :thumb:
I'll add these links to my collection :p
Post by: vewy_nice on Fri, 20 April 2018, 07:27:38
There's a NOS board with them on deskthority, but shipping is the same price as the board, coming from Europe to the USA.
I've set up like 6 alarms on eBay haha
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 27 April 2018, 08:07:41
Some pics of machining:
(https://i.imgur.com/pyadjBt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R0nY4Pi.jpg)
Raw machined poly case, and partially polished weight:
(https://i.imgur.com/9KtShTw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Gf4D3KP.jpg)
Still a slot open, for anyone interested ;)
I look forward to providing more good news!
Post by: Captain Shwah on Fri, 27 April 2018, 08:19:45
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 08 May 2018, 08:05:30
So first of all, a quick update on what's been going until now.
Cases, plates and weights have finished being machined, and are being hand finished before going on to the next stage of finishing. PCBs were awaiting components for assembly, but we discovered a flaw in the PCBs, namely that the stabiliser holes for the bottom row were in the wrong direction, so I promptly paid for another batch to be produced with the issue corrected, I am awaiting a sample of it before proceeding on that front.
The reason I have sent an email out is that there is an issue that needs attention, namely the finish on the brass components. To put it simply, my factory has overestimated their capabilities and have told me they are unable to gold electroplate the brass parts. As the prototype parts were only polished, we found this out only now.
The factory has offered an alternative coating, UV coating, for the brass parts, and has promptly sent me a plate with the finish for my observation. Visually, this coating is very similar to a tarnish-free, mirror finished brass look, and is even more fingerprint resistant. However there is one issue: small freckles under the coating. This is caused by particles of dust in the applicator used in the factory, and cannot be avoided in this case. While this is not very visible under most lighting and definitely not visible through the polycarbonate, it is present and visible under certain, specific lighting conditions. I am personally quite pleased with the look, since the dust only shows up in the worst of lighting, but it is only fair to make amends for the situation.
Here are some pics/comparisons between my tarnished prototype parts and the UV coated brass parts:
(https://i.imgur.com/bhSrw5u.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EKlJ3ut.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QKnzlMn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oDAMHrb.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/8EoOURD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JRHSeom.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NUJcshA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JRHSeom.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NUJcshA.jpg)
Another alternative I have been given by the factory is to have parts electroplated silver instead, a finish looking similar to this:
(https://i.imgur.com/c5n2I7L.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/PKqU5zQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZRP3rSw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZRP3rSw.jpg)
So the solution I propose is this:
1. You can choose to accept your parts UV coated, I will offer $10USD of credit towards shipping ($5/part).
2. You can have your parts just left polished, again, I offer $10USD of credit towards shipping ($5/part).
3. You can have your parts silver electroplated instead. (No credit in this case)
Check your Paypal email, or PM me in the case you don't have access to it, to get a link to the form to input your choices.
I hope this is enough recompense, and I apologise for this hiccup. Considering that I need to wait for replies, I'm extending the lead time buy another 2 weeks, putting us at the start of July, I will aim to wrap up faster than this (partially because I need my room back :P).
Thanks,
Mx
EDIT: If anyone is interested, there's an extra brass plate up for grabs.
Post by: Captain Shwah on Tue, 08 May 2018, 08:30:45
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 08 May 2018, 08:33:06
(https://i.imgur.com/fl7uvwx.jpg)
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 08 May 2018, 12:37:09
Post by: JubJubCity on Tue, 08 May 2018, 21:06:48
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 08 May 2018, 21:14:14
Will there be any extra's available, love the look of this board. ;D
As it stands, we have will have about 4 extras, which will end up with a mix of UV coated and silver electroplated brass parts. More info will be available here afterwards ;)
Post by: JubJubCity on Tue, 08 May 2018, 21:48:14
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 09 May 2018, 05:47:36
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 09 May 2018, 05:49:56
Doesn't electroplating add material to the part and therefore change tolerances? I believe riot had some problems with that when he was prototyping the Keycult which is why it wasn't available. For a switchplate would it change the size of the switch cutouts?
I am aware of this and it is not a problem, it would be within the tolerance margins that MX style switches adhere to.
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 09 May 2018, 11:36:40
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 09 May 2018, 12:25:35
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 09 May 2018, 21:29:21
I'm just curious, but what is the material they are electroplating onto the brass for the silver? Is it nickel?
No, it will be chrome.
Post by: dwarflemur on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:48:50
Post by: HardcoreDesk on Thu, 10 May 2018, 15:43:38
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 11 May 2018, 07:33:49
(https://i.imgur.com/8PEVx4V.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dWZhP6J.jpg)
As an aside, I did get offered one other type of finish, but the price was uhh, how do I put it, a touch expensive.
With that said, if anyone wants any brass parts finished with gold electroplating (meaning actual gold), it will cost about 40USD a part and have one side matte and the other mirror finished, so feel free to let me know if you're crazy enough to want it :p
For the time being, I have an extra polycarb plate, an extra brass plate and a few PCBs up for grabs, feel free to message me about that as well :thumb:
We're just waiting on 2 more people to confirm their stance on brass parts before proceeding with finishing brass parts.
Post by: Kevadu on Fri, 11 May 2018, 12:49:44
As an aside, I did get offered one other type of finish, but the price was uhh, how do I put it, a touch expensive.
With that said, if anyone wants any brass parts finished with gold electroplating (meaning actual gold), it will cost about 40USD a part and have one side matte and the other mirror finished, so feel free to let me know if you're crazy enough to want it :p
I'm one of those who hasn't responded, in part because I've been kind of indecisive over which option to go for. I might be crazy enough to want this though ;)
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 12 May 2018, 06:37:47
As an aside, I did get offered one other type of finish, but the price was uhh, how do I put it, a touch expensive.
With that said, if anyone wants any brass parts finished with gold electroplating (meaning actual gold), it will cost about 40USD a part and have one side matte and the other mirror finished, so feel free to let me know if you're crazy enough to want it :p
I'm one of those who hasn't responded, in part because I've been kind of indecisive over which option to go for. I might be crazy enough to want this though ;)
I asked my contact this morning for pics, I hope to get a reply in a day or two :thumb:
Post by: olivia on Sat, 12 May 2018, 10:35:48
As an aside, I did get offered one other type of finish, but the price was uhh, how do I put it, a touch expensive.
With that said, if anyone wants any brass parts finished with gold electroplating (meaning actual gold), it will cost about 40USD a part and have one side matte and the other mirror finished, so feel free to let me know if you're crazy enough to want it :p
I'm one of those who hasn't responded, in part because I've been kind of indecisive over which option to go for. I might be crazy enough to want this though ;)
I asked my contact this morning for pics, I hope to get a reply in a day or two :thumb:
I am definitely crazy, count me in ;D
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 14 May 2018, 14:06:17
Post by: lac29 on Mon, 14 May 2018, 15:20:15
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 15 May 2018, 20:10:15
I asked about gold electroplating on Saturday, and unfortunately my contact was not able to show me sufficient reference images, so we agreed to get some parts plated as a sample. Once they're completed and the details finalised, I'll send out another email with the details and exact costs of the plating.
To the people asking about extras, as you can see, there appears to be quite a bit of demand :p I cannot promise too much after the few changes in circumstance, but I will post availability in this thread if they do become available, which will be after the GB if that is the case.
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 18 May 2018, 09:12:52
Gold plating bottom, electrophoretic top:
(https://i.imgur.com/KMtc4zP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PjdwnZz.jpg)
A closeup of the electrophoretic coated part:
(https://i.imgur.com/bV1XuE5.jpg)
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 23 May 2018, 08:05:50
Good news first, working with the factory, I have found the electrophoretic coating a good replacement to the original coating, I'm going to assume no one wants the inferior UV coat over this.
The bad news, unfortunately my factory has an issue with electroplating. Basically, they cannot electroplate without having a side flawed. This leaves me quite disappointed, because the side that isn't flawed, looks gorgeous (the top piece):
(https://i.imgur.com/ElQXTDV.jpg)
This is what the blemish looks like:
(https://i.imgur.com/BpYO7ZG.jpg)
The electroplating issue affects people who wanted either gold or silver electroplating. For anyone who chose UV coated parts, I am swapping you over to electrophoretic parts as I really see no downside to them. As this essentially ends up as a perfect replacement for the original coating, I am redacting the discount I previously offered, as the factory is doing the same. I will ask the factory to make the internal facing parts the "bad" side of the electroplating if anyone is still interested in it. This refers to the bottom of the plate, and the internal facing side of the weight.
Here are more comparison pics: https://imgur.com/a/0imD0OU (https://imgur.com/a/0imD0OU)
Since a lot of people requested the silver electroplating, I will open up a form again to allow people to confirm/change choices. Check your email or message me for a link to it.
You only need to fill the form if you chose silver electroplating (regardless of if you want to change or not), or if you want gold electroplating despite the blemishes and added cost (+$40USD per part). All UV coated parts will be swapped to the electrophoretic coating.
A small progress update:
Polycarb parts have nearly finished the polishing stage, basically nearing completion
Brass parts are on hold as you can see
Steel parts are on hold due to the plating on them being too dull for my liking: https://imgur.com/a/SnxzD7z (https://imgur.com/a/SnxzD7z) We are working on a better plating, I will put out an update when we figure it out.
PCBs are nearing completion, the prototype was late, but should get to me by Monday so I can make sure it's all good before proceeding.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 23 May 2018, 09:20:07
Post by: vewy_nice on Wed, 23 May 2018, 15:02:42
I can't wait to see what they look like when they're perfect though!
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 23 May 2018, 15:38:14
I thought those black nickel parts looked pretty good!
I can't wait to see what they look like when they're perfect though!
A lot of people have told me, but I prefer shinier so I'll be aiming for that :p
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 24 May 2018, 18:13:36
I hope to bring good news soon regarding the buy, sample PCBs have shipped to me and will be arriving shortly.
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 27 May 2018, 18:45:58
EDIT: Also, just waiting on 1 more person to confirm with me on the finish for brass, then we will continue.
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 28 May 2018, 20:54:37
hervuli, don't worry, you'll have the option to change from silver electroplating later, just PM me when you get a chance (and when GH PMs are alive again :p ).
Those of you who requested gold electroplating, I will invoice you when I get invoiced, probably when things get shipped to me.
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 30 May 2018, 22:04:39
Rejoice, for we have achieved optimal shininess. Essentially, they'll polish the plates again, to get the black nickel plating shinier :thumb:
Ans with this, brass and steel parts are back on the production queue.
Post by: vewy_nice on Fri, 01 June 2018, 10:41:25
Looking great! I am super excited to get this board :)
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 07 June 2018, 03:35:37
(https://i.imgur.com/t7CZ9A7.jpg)
Oof. Don't need many words for this update. Black nickel plated steel weight for anyone who didn't realise.
Post by: JJ on Thu, 07 June 2018, 05:06:35
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 07 June 2018, 05:08:51
ne extra spots avai?
Can't promise anything, I'll post if that's the case after the main orders have shipped.
Post by: Captain Shwah on Thu, 07 June 2018, 07:27:20
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ggIes6g.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t7CZ9A7.jpg)
Oof. Don't need many words for this update. Black nickel plated steel weight for anyone who didn't realise.
:eek:
Post by: vewy_nice on Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:00:59
I have my Monterey blues ready and everything!
Post by: Brannan on Fri, 08 June 2018, 01:58:47
Post by: Krona on Fri, 08 June 2018, 05:41:32
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 11 June 2018, 07:38:42
How close is this? I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a KeyCon reveal!
I have my Monterey blues ready and everything!
Apologies on the late reply, just found out the date for KeyCon. Would be... highly unlikely. I have uni exams for about 3wks, so it would be near impossible for me to pack everything in time to actually get it to your door by then, even if everything was ready by then :'(
As for a progress report, nothing to give, I am waiting on my manufacturer to give me more solid updates to pass on.
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 12 June 2018, 08:53:26
That just means I won't "have to" rush to build it in a night or two if it showed up miraculously early!
Good luck on your exams!
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 13 June 2018, 06:24:06
Hah, no problem. It was a dream to begin with.
That just means I won't "have to" rush to build it in a night or two if it showed up miraculously early!
Good luck on your exams!
Thanks :D
I got some updates after I came out of today's exam though, no escape for me hehe.
Polycarb parts are nearly finished, black plated nickel parts done.
(https://i.imgur.com/kM9hKwN.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/5mCEUUC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wwakuis.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KiBxY5U.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tXRwlgY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wwakuis.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KiBxY5U.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tXRwlgY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vPPl9Af.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/oV4eXHm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lnw7WOe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mTBrh0R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nJryRs6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/or0BFsr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vPPl9Af.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cRZaAkE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mz3HbKN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nLIcd1v.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qjUYeLj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kBrslRU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Icmr4Iw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GaTn4uw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lnw7WOe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mTBrh0R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nJryRs6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/or0BFsr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vPPl9Af.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cRZaAkE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mz3HbKN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nLIcd1v.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qjUYeLj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kBrslRU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Icmr4Iw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GaTn4uw.jpg)
I think there's a few pics for ya there ;)
Post by: bthezebra on Wed, 13 June 2018, 06:29:47
Looking extra good!Hah, no problem. It was a dream to begin with.
That just means I won't "have to" rush to build it in a night or two if it showed up miraculously early!
Good luck on your exams!
Thanks :D
I got some updates after I came out of today's exam though, no escape for me hehe.
Polycarb parts are nearly finished, black plated nickel parts done.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kM9hKwN.jpg)MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/5mCEUUC.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wwakuis.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KiBxY5U.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tXRwlgY.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vPPl9Af.jpg)MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/oV4eXHm.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Lnw7WOe.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mTBrh0R.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nJryRs6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/or0BFsr.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vPPl9Af.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cRZaAkE.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mz3HbKN.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nLIcd1v.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qjUYeLj.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kBrslRU.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Icmr4Iw.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GaTn4uw.jpg)
I think there's a few pics for ya there ;)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 13 June 2018, 06:38:15
Polycarb parts are nearly finished, black plated nickel parts done.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kM9hKwN.jpg)MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/5mCEUUC.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wwakuis.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KiBxY5U.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tXRwlgY.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vPPl9Af.jpg)MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/oV4eXHm.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Lnw7WOe.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mTBrh0R.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nJryRs6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/or0BFsr.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vPPl9Af.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cRZaAkE.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mz3HbKN.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nLIcd1v.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qjUYeLj.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kBrslRU.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Icmr4Iw.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GaTn4uw.jpg)
I think there's a few pics for ya there ;)
Holy ****... Looks dope :eek:
Post by: vewy_nice on Wed, 13 June 2018, 10:21:21
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 13 June 2018, 11:39:16
That's a lot more black nickel than I was expecting! Are all of those going to people? Or was there a minimum lot charge, so you made extras because it wouldn't cost any more?I mean there were 10 order of black nickel, and there are 8 there, so maybe 2 dropped out of it. The amount in the pics seems about right to me.
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 13 June 2018, 14:52:40
That's a lot more black nickel than I was expecting! Are all of those going to people? Or was there a minimum lot charge, so you made extras because it wouldn't cost any more?I mean there were 10 order of black nickel, and there are 8 there, so maybe 2 dropped out of it. The amount in the pics seems about right to me.
There's 10 orders for black nickel plated parts, check out the order sheet.
Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk
Post by: JubJubCity on Wed, 13 June 2018, 16:42:21
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Wed, 13 June 2018, 16:48:27
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 13 June 2018, 17:08:53
Oh I miscounted, my bad :-[That's a lot more black nickel than I was expecting! Are all of those going to people? Or was there a minimum lot charge, so you made extras because it wouldn't cost any more?I mean there were 10 order of black nickel, and there are 8 there, so maybe 2 dropped out of it. The amount in the pics seems about right to me.
There's 10 orders for black nickel plated parts, check out the order sheet.
Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk
Post by: vewy_nice on Thu, 14 June 2018, 07:30:42
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 14 June 2018, 07:32:03
I somehow missed the order sheet entirely... Whoops! Too excited I guess!
It's there for my sanity more than yours, nothing missed haha :))
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 14 June 2018, 07:37:29
(https://i.imgur.com/RB6g0eP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6l5VSsr.jpg)
As some of you may have noticed, I have a few ptototype colour units in this GB as well. I didn't offer them up publicly because there was all the chance things could end up horrible, but I was greeted with something a bit more pleasant:
(https://i.imgur.com/ntX27j2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YgiRyIP.jpg)
Apologies again that this wasn't public, it was just something I did for myself along with 2 close friends.
Post by: bthezebra on Thu, 14 June 2018, 07:44:06
One shipment of parts being sent out, with the 26 of the cases along with all the black nickel parts. Here's a little sneak peak:Them color cases are fire, can't wait to see the builds for them!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RB6g0eP.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6l5VSsr.jpg)
As some of you may have noticed, I have a few ptototype colour units in this GB as well. I didn't offer them up publicly because there was all the chance things could end up horrible, but I was greeted with something a bit more pleasant:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ntX27j2.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YgiRyIP.jpg)
Apologies again that this wasn't public, it was just something I did for myself along with 2 close friends.
Post by: Kevadu on Thu, 14 June 2018, 10:29:27
Post by: vewy_nice on Fri, 15 June 2018, 06:52:32
They do look excellent!
Are they dyed, or is the material just that color?
That purple looks great.
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 15 June 2018, 06:59:14
I missed the color cases, too! I had NO IDEA that was an option!
They do look excellent!
Are they dyed, or is the material just that color?
The top coat is coloured rather than clear. I wish to try and work with actual coloured polycarbonate, but that seems like it will be quite a challenge. If this method turns out well, I guess I don't need to try though :))
Post by: pr0ximity on Fri, 15 June 2018, 08:34:32
Post by: dwarflemur on Fri, 15 June 2018, 13:37:08
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 19 June 2018, 02:54:02
https://imgur.com/a/Lo1xVm4
I'll do a better update when I have time :thumb:
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 19 June 2018, 04:19:32
First shipment of parts arrived at my place. I've got exams until next Monday, so I'll just leave this small set of photos here.
https://imgur.com/a/Lo1xVm4
I'll do a better update when I have time :thumb:
so close I can almost taste it!
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 19 June 2018, 04:25:20
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 19 June 2018, 07:32:50
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 20 June 2018, 05:14:35
First from me: https://imgur.com/a/rePnxqk
From the factory (chrome and gold electroplating): https://imgur.com/a/LdY3wxN
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 27 June 2018, 02:02:50
Alright, now that everything is settling down for me, time to give an update on the situation.
To start off, the good news. All due parts have arrived, meaning all the cases, plates, weights, and PCBs. https://imgur.com/a/MWGQPXj
Purble, Blue and Clear cases:
(https://i.imgur.com/ngnXK1g.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GAxXKw3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/umjBUKI.jpg)
Black Nickel, Gold and Silver plated parts respectively:
(https://i.imgur.com/5aVZ76G.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MN6MmlJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XQvcwBk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9TyiBWP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eVSaGpf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mbD0Cub.jpg)
Polycarb Plate:
(https://i.imgur.com/RpiU93z.jpg)
All the electroplated parts and the polycarb plate turned out great, as you can see. The issue exists with the rest of the brass parts that received the electrophoretic coating and with some of the cases. https://imgur.com/a/CF261I5
(https://i.imgur.com/mLQQTw7.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/7iDDjdN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bRzWian.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3gYmi4x.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6mpUl7t.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bRzWian.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3gYmi4x.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6mpUl7t.jpg)
For reference, 6/30 brass weights passed QC. Some number of them was more acceptable with no visible flaws showing through the poly case, but I don't have a number handy. The plates are better, but majority have dirt under the coating on the underside or even worse, on top. Notable mention that the 2 untreated sets ended up scratched up to hell and also failed QC.
Moving on to the cases, most of the cases exhibit a bending issue, while some have some blemishes on the outside of the case. While all but the worse cases assemble fine, the bending makes assembly more difficult and well, I'm sure not everyone will be happy about it.
(https://i.imgur.com/2rmMPFp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NwDPixW.jpg)
Changing topics to the PCBs, they all look fine from initial inspection, only issue is that the wrong production hex was flashed on to it, so I have to go through and reprogram every PCB to add back the bootloader :((
So after all this bad news, I'm relieved to say the factory is willing to replace parts with the above issues, given I am reasonable in setting my expectations.
For the cases, this means that there will most likely be a slight bending of the base, but not so much that it makes it difficult to assemble. Once assembled, the issue goes away for all of the cases. The remade cases would not have alignment nubs on the base, as they are part of the cause of the bending.
For the brass parts, the situation is a bit more annoying. We're back to the brainstorming stage on what finish would achieve the ideal appearance of mirror polished and coated. One suggestion my manufacturer had for me was a matte sandblasted finish (factory-quality pic as usual :P):
(https://i.imgur.com/GLxu2s2.jpg)
This is a different look, but it will be easier to get consistently good.
The issues with each finish summarised:
Untreated: Tarnishes, harder to clean
UV coated: Dust speckles all over, bad side has wavy lines
Silver Electroplating: It's silver, one side will have flaws (amount random)
Gold Electroplating: Costs 40USD/part, one side ends up inconsistently matte: https://i.imgur.com/HD0C7Mq.jpg
Electrophoretic: Slight flaws on both sides, dust on both sides
I will keep thinking about what a good compromise would be, but please do leave comments on what you think here or in PMs. Do you mind the defects? Is there something I'm overlooking? Let me know.
The GB will naturally be delayed based on how long we take to start production, as well as how long it takes for me to check and pack parts afterwards, I'll put it as early August now (sigh). Since there are some parts that meet standards, I will try and arrange to ship out some units early, provided people are willing to pay the premium that I have to pay to ship packages individually vs as a bulk. More details about that when I have a more clear overview on what parts are good to go.
Extras are unlikely to be available, if they are, I'll mention so after the main orders are available to ship out. This will not make Keycon even at the earliest because I have to fix the PCBs and source screws (factory forgot to include them), I won't give any dates for how early I can get things ready or I'll end up more exhausted than I am.
(https://i.imgur.com/lBHefmX.jpg)
Mx is a tired boy.
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 27 June 2018, 02:13:25
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 27 June 2018, 06:55:34
(https://i.imgur.com/F6sOOmL.jpg)
Post by: bthezebra on Wed, 27 June 2018, 07:04:49
Might as well tease a couple hype pics while we're waiting :))Now I don't need coffee this morning.... Well I am going to drink some anywayShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/F6sOOmL.jpg)
Post by: vewy_nice on Thu, 28 June 2018, 07:20:13
Also, you get to keep a lot of these "sub-par" parts, right? You could totally make some B-stock kits ;)
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 10 July 2018, 01:07:16
Cases:
I'm yet to finalise the count of tops and bottoms that need to be replaced, once that's done, I'd be getting the factory to remake said parts.
Plate/Weights:
The electroplated parts ended up with fitting issues unfortunately, so I won't be able to ship those out until the rest of the parts are ready. Polished parts got scratched up like crazy, and also need to be redone.
After discussing the possible finishes with the factory, we've somewhat reached a conclusion on the finish. We're looking at either:
- Gold plating, with one side brushed/sandblasted, which should mitigate the issue of one side being bad, of course, the fitting issue will also be resolved
- Sandblasting with a matte finish, should be a shiny matte finish like shown in my previous post
Gold plating is more similar to the original finish, but it needs testing anyhow, so I will have get both finishes tested. There may (emphasis on may) be another chance to go for a silver (chrome electroplated) finish, which would be the same as gold having one side brushed/sandblasted. Details will be available on that when I can confirm it.
PCBs:
I'm in the middle of assembling the PCBs that take the least effort to get working, and I'll work up from there. The PCB factory will let me know what the go is for replacing PCBs with some dead LEDs.
I've finished with the firmware, which you can find here: https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/tree/master/keyboards/mxss. It supports QMK Configurator, so you can build your keymaps here: https://config.qmk.fm/#/mxss/LAYOUT. I'll have a more indepth explanation in how to go about doing some of the extra custom things the board supports closer to delivery.
Here are some of the nifty things I coded in:
https://streamable.com/nd7pk - RGB mode makes the LEDs work with the RGB underglow
https://streamable.com/hj2yd - Indicator mode makes the top LED a capslock indicator and the bottom LED a layer indicator
https://streamable.com/wjpwx - Modes can be changed on the fly, and brightness for the front LEDs can be individually controlled
And to wrap things up, I'd like to say that we have 2 kits that are (nearly) ready to go, they will end up having the electrophoretic finish rather than whatever ends up replacing it for the reworked parts, so keep that in mind. Considering that the black nickel parts are ready to go as well, I will offer to ship out kits without the brass parts early as well.
For both these cases, you will have to accept that the shipping cost will be higher, since they'll be shipped individually, and you will have to pay shipping for brass parts further down the line as well. For a rough estimate, take the cost on the opening post and add $10. Priority for the 2 kits with electrophoretic parts goes to the highest invoice numbers.
The form for early shipping can be located in your emails, PM me if you need a link.
TL;DR:
Cases: Check parts -> Get them remade
Brass: Either gold electroplated or sandblasted -> Get them remade/reworked
PCBs: I'm slaving to fix them, and replacements should come in to fulfill the rest
If you can pay for shipping, I will prepare to ship whatever I have ready (any black nickel sets, 2x electrophoretic coated sets), priority for good electrophoretic parts goes to the highest invoice numbers. Check your email for the form for shipping early.
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 10 July 2018, 01:12:45
I'd take an untreated sandblasted option for my brass parts!
I'll keep it in mind that people want it, but i'll be aiming to make it simple enough for the factory so we will see where we go on that note.
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Also, you get to keep a lot of these "sub-par" parts, right? You could totally make some B-stock kits ;)
I might, but what will happen will be decided after the GB is over, getting parts to you guys is more important :thumb:
Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 24 July 2018, 15:19:19
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 24 July 2018, 17:09:19
Hey dude, has there been anything update worthy in the last few weeks?
Like a day or two ago on discord he said they were working on the brass parts. I don’t think he has any meaningful updates yet.
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 25 July 2018, 17:32:30
Hey dude, has there been anything update worthy in the last few weeks?
Like a day or two ago on discord he said they were working on the brass parts. I don’t think he has any meaningful updates yet.
Okay, cool, thanks
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 25 July 2018, 17:54:40
I ended up sending all the brass parts over to be reworked (sorry to q and Captain Shwah, your parts were more bent than I expected, so I thought it's best to send them back). The first MxSS was picked up from me a bit over a week ago, and I received some feedback.
One issue found was that the assembled board had a bit of a rock caused by warped parts, the factory and I are resolving that matter now. Another issue I found is that the steel screws I use for assembly caused a bit of damage to the plating, so I propose to fix that with washers, which will eventually be delivered to me... https://i.imgur.com/6RdyQtP.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/6RdyQtP.jpg)
The factory has received the parts, so we're resolving the issues now.
10 more PCBs to assemble, and at least 23 to send back for repair from the factory.
That should be a good summary of current events.
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 05 August 2018, 04:49:35
First up, all the brass parts have reached the factory as mentioned in the previous update, and they are working on straightening out the parts. As for the finish, well, it's again a tough situation. To put it simply, there is not perfect solution that will be both mirror polished and protected against tarnish. We tried PVD, but it ended up with light flaws: https://imgur.com/a/eA5zKOW (https://imgur.com/a/eA5zKOW). Turns out most (if not all) other keyboards with PVD finished brass have to recoat and sometimes even remake parts until satisfaction. This process is extremely time consuming, so naturally my manufacturer was not willing to do that considering we didn't arrange for it upfront.
On a more positive note, another keyboard done through the same manufacturer had their brass parts finished by a sandblast with a clear coat, and that turned out surprisingly well: https://i.imgur.com/YRt0O2c.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/YRt0O2c.jpg). While the factory isn't all too pleased with how many times they need to redo sandblasting to get it perfect without tarnish or fingerprints, they did offer me an olive branch saying they're willing to do it. If we are not able to find an alternative, I will likely have to fall back to the original set of options (UV Coat, Gold Electroplate, Silver Electroplate, uncoated) along with the sandblasted finish. While it's unusual to have group buy participants decide such technical details, I feel that after being strung along this far by me (which I sincerely apologise for), you have a say in what you're getting.
Moving on to the cases, looking over them again, I realised that they had started to develop marks more prominently as the UV coating on them further cured. My manufacturer assured me that they were issues occurring during the polishing stage, so we are experimenting on solutions for that. Unfortunately, what this means is I can't send out any kits early, I'm sorry about that :'(
As I'm not at a stage where I have an estimate for how long processes will take, I can't give an estimate of how long things will take. I will do my best to be prompt with dealing with the manufacturer so delays will be kept to a minimum, but I will have to ask everyone to continue bearing with me, I will continue trying my best to produce the most perfect parts I can for you.
There will be a more concrete update when I have concrete details.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: vewy_nice on Sun, 12 August 2018, 13:58:53
I'm sure we can all be patient to get it done right ;)
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 12 August 2018, 15:56:18
Hey thanks for the updates :)I am extremely appreciative of your patience, as well as everyone else in the gb's :D
I'm sure we can all be patient to get it done right ;)
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 13 August 2018, 00:47:14
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 28 August 2018, 02:30:32
Factory has unfortunately gotten quite slow now, since it's been a back and forth of suggestions on how to go about resolving this economically, but I would like to hope we are progressing, slowly but surely. I will be paying for replacement cases out of pocket unfortunately, and I will be trying to hurry that along side the brass parts.
We're currently looking at the following options:
- Gold Electroplating - Outward facing side mirror polished, other side brushed
- Silver Electroplating - as above
- Black Electroplating - as above
- Sandblast with clearcoat
- Untreated
The black electroplating came up as a suggestion from them, since they tried black electroplating a brass part, albeit not mirror polished, and it apparently turned out fine. I was warned against coating brass this way by another individual, so I remain sceptic about it, but if any brave souls want to give it a try, be my guest.
Will keep people posted when things are more concrete, so just take this post as a insight into the talks I've been having until now.
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 12 September 2018, 03:41:31
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 12 September 2018, 05:20:53
Factory has been busy with other projects, but I got news that the new case sample should be ready soon, with what we hope will be a lot less bend. The brass parts sample is also in the pipeline, still waiting on updates on that.
Thank for the update blue!
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 15 September 2018, 04:06:33
(https://i.imgur.com/mmeQ5zyl.jpg)
Will keep everyone posted on progress.
Post by: MightyFineShindig on Sun, 30 September 2018, 03:30:21
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 30 September 2018, 03:33:40
I'm fairly certain the brass samples have gone off to the plating factory now, and the case is still in the process of being finished. I will post here as soon as I have any further updates.
Post by: vewy_nice on Mon, 01 October 2018, 08:22:45
I'm happy to here there's at least some progress going on.
Thanks for all your hard work, Blue!
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 01 October 2018, 18:14:29
I've been quite distracted from this little hobby recently, and I actually just now remembered that I actually bought one of these!
I'm happy to here there's at least some progress going on.
Thanks for all your hard work, Blue!
Hehe I hope to have something nice to show you next time you remember to check in.
China takes the week off for their National Day, so expect something in the next fortnight or so.
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 13 October 2018, 06:56:43
My rep got back to me with a few pics of the poly case, and one set of brass parts (we are still waiting on the other, more on that later).
(https://i.imgur.com/po1KsmZ.jpg)
The new case is looking good, much more consistent with the finishing. I look forward to receiving and verifying these claims.
(https://i.imgur.com/F9j7bnw.jpg)
These brass parts have both sides brushed horizontally, which is why you see streaking. The important part to note is that the finish is consistent, on both sides. This was the issue we were having with all the other finishes, with one side being "bad". The other sample set that has yet to arrive has one side mirror polished, and the other side brushed. This should hopefully achieve the best of both worlds with one side being a consistent slightly less shiny finish, and one side being a lovely mirror.
Here are the rest of the photos for everyone to stare at, don't mind the usual factory photo lighting/quality: https://imgur.com/a/bIcBExp
Will post more updates as I get them :thumb:
Post by: lazyfart on Sat, 13 October 2018, 09:43:35
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 13 October 2018, 09:52:01
Post by: briano1905 on Sun, 14 October 2018, 02:30:43
Alright, I managed to have an update ready before a fortnight :))
My rep got back to me with a few pics of the poly case, and one set of brass parts (we are still waiting on the other, more on that later).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/po1KsmZ.jpg)
The new case is looking good, much more consistent with the finishing. I look forward to receiving and verifying these claims.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/F9j7bnw.jpg)
These brass parts have both sides brushed horizontally, which is why you see streaking. The important part to note is that the finish is consistent, on both sides. This was the issue we were having with all the other finishes, with one side being "bad". The other sample set that has yet to arrive has one side mirror polished, and the other side brushed. This should hopefully achieve the best of both worlds with one side being a consistent slightly less shiny finish, and one side being a lovely mirror.
Here are the rest of the photos for everyone to stare at, don't mind the usual factory photo lighting/quality: https://imgur.com/a/bIcBExp
Will post more updates as I get them :thumb:
Brass parts looks great! will be even better with the mirror finish :) Thanks for the update blue
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 14 October 2018, 07:03:29
So I just found out about the case GB, and the case looks really good. Will there be extras for sale?
Possibly. I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch, so I won't confirm anything regarding extras until after everyone gets their boards.
Dan and Briano, appreciate the support. I really hope I will be able to get the boards out by 2019 haha. Pray to big China
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 14 October 2018, 09:03:35
Post by: Dovan1405 on Sun, 14 October 2018, 12:59:40
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Post by: vewy_nice on Thu, 18 October 2018, 08:31:15
I was cleaning out my desk the other day, and was like "WTF Why do I have a bag of like 120 Monterey blues?... Oh yeah MxSS Duh"
I'm glad I'm so patient, otherwise I'd be miserable :))
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 23 October 2018, 23:04:32
I'm glad I'm so patient, otherwise I'd be miserable :))
So am I friend :))
Update time, electroplated samples have arrived at the factory, and are now on their way to me with the new case sample.
(https://i.imgur.com/TBIeLbA.jpg)
One side brushed, other side mirror polished
(https://i.imgur.com/Pe3PMdd.jpg)
Both sides brushed
Linked below are the full albums of photos I've received.
https://imgur.com/a/hRnQAO2
https://imgur.com/a/UwaykNs
Will keep everyone posted :thumb:
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 24 October 2018, 01:07:48
Post by: vewy_nice on Wed, 24 October 2018, 18:12:49
Also, how are the cases doing?
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 24 October 2018, 18:34:29
Am I still able to get the untreated brass like before?
Also, how are the cases doing?
Yep, should still be fine getting untreated brass, I'd just like to solve the issue for the finish first before doing a final check on what finishes people would like (again).
As for the cases, they were also ready to go, but the factory found during a test fit yesterday that they used the incorrect model for the new prototype, one which we did not have matching parts for, and so they need to remake those. :blank:
I apologise again about he GB timeline going absolutely whack, but I can guarantee that the factory is willing to work with me to achieve my required quality standards. Will keep everyone posted.
Post by: MightyFineShindig on Thu, 15 November 2018, 02:29:00
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 15 November 2018, 04:56:09
Any progress?
Indeed there is, I've been in exam season and hence a bit slow to post.
I received the new prototype cases and electroplated brass parts on Monday.
Starting with the positives, the brass parts look pretty damn good.
(https://i.imgur.com/3KaUJQo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UsRKQHz.jpg)
More pics of the former: https://imgur.com/a/Pr3S6jI
More pics of the latter: https://imgur.com/a/j8WjZrx
The first has one side lightly brushed and the other side polished, the second has both sides brushed. The polish isn't as shiny as the before, I suspect that would be the factory simply being lazy sadly. For what it's worth, a slightly rougher surface tends to make the electroplating more consistent, so I won't bother them too much on that matter. The second is brushed both sides, and actually very damn clean, quite impressed by it.
I'll get a poll out later to allow people to choose their preferences for brass finishing.
Moving on to the less happy news, the new polycarb cases still don't meet my standards. They no longer have issues with warp (hurrah!) but they still have a few issues which bother me quite a bit.
(https://i.imgur.com/MR41Ncc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/o0FEe5o.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0GsWhXv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ARUdExT.jpg)
First up, we have the inserts being slightly pulled out by the case. Second and third, you have careless mistakes to do with inserting the inserts (accidentally damaging the polycarb and inserting it at the wrong angle). Finally, we have insufficient polishing of the polycarb cases.
I will try my best to resolve all these issues, keeping in mind how long I've been taking. Would be a shame to get your boards only to have lost interest in it haha.
Post by: futurecrime on Fri, 16 November 2018, 04:16:57
Any progress?
Indeed there is, I've been in exam season and hence a bit slow to post.
I received the new prototype cases and electroplated brass parts on Monday.
Starting with the positives, the brass parts look pretty damn good.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3KaUJQo.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UsRKQHz.jpg)
More pics of the former: https://imgur.com/a/Pr3S6jI
More pics of the latter: https://imgur.com/a/j8WjZrx
The first has one side lightly brushed and the other side polished, the second has both sides brushed. The polish isn't as shiny as the before, I suspect that would be the factory simply being lazy sadly. For what it's worth, a slightly rougher surface tends to make the electroplating more consistent, so I won't bother them too much on that matter. The second is brushed both sides, and actually very damn clean, quite impressed by it.
I'll get a poll out later to allow people to choose their preferences for brass finishing.
Moving on to the less happy news, the new polycarb cases still don't meet my standards. They no longer have issues with warp (hurrah!) but they still have a few issues which bother me quite a bit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MR41Ncc.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/o0FEe5o.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0GsWhXv.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ARUdExT.jpg)
First up, we have the inserts being slightly pulled out by the case. Second and third, you have careless mistakes to do with inserting the inserts (accidentally damaging the polycarb and inserting it at the wrong angle). Finally, we have insufficient polishing of the polycarb cases.
I will try my best to resolve all these issues, keeping in mind how long I've been taking. Would be a shame to get your boards only to have lost interest in it haha.
These boards are really shaping up to be something special. I was gonna say I can't wait to see them go out, but actually I'm happy to wait and I'm guessing others are too if it means getting the boards to meet your exacting standards.
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 17 November 2018, 17:02:11
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 17 November 2018, 17:03:40
Will this work with a 910 plate?
Nope, the plate has different mounting points. See below (marked in red):
(https://i.imgur.com/RGPP5WZ.png)
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 29 November 2018, 17:58:37
PCBs arrived when I got back from my trip, they're lying in a box for now, will get to testing them next week.
I've managed to borrow a sandblasted brass sample off my designer, and took photos comparing it to the other finishes:
(https://i.imgur.com/FdHMg8F.jpg)
In order, sandblasted, brushed, mirror polished, and mirror polished stainless steel (black nickel plated). The sandblasted parts are not (and will not) be plated, the rest of the brass parts are gold plated.
More pictures are available here: https://imgur.com/a/N2QqXYT (https://imgur.com/a/N2QqXYT)
As for the cases, I want some feedback from you guys. I'll organise a proper form for it once things are more concrete, but what do you think about the finish on the polycarb? Are the marks fine with you?
(https://i.imgur.com/mRPeA8W.jpg)
For reference, the "dirtiness" on the left side of the weight isn't fingerprint smudges on the brass, but rather something of the sort on the polycarb, under or in the top coating, we have yet to figure out.
I'm unsure if we'll be able to correct the marks, though I'll try and push for some sort of improvement. The major improvements are to do with the inserts, I will do my best to ensure those won't fail on us.
Mx
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 23 December 2018, 16:37:05
No updates at all to give, my factory rep went on holiday shortly after I went on holiday, and communication was taking place at a week messages a week rather than a day. We're finally back on the topic of the cases, hope to provide updates soon.
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 02 January 2019, 06:19:15
Anyhow, progress! The factory tested new inserts and they're looking much better.
(https://i.imgur.com/azxD8Kn.jpg)
Requested another sample from them to verify the problem is resolved, then will move on to message everyone for brass preferences (just trying to avoid jumping the gun on that :p )
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 02 January 2019, 08:44:54
Post by: vewy_nice on Thu, 03 January 2019, 08:28:12
Perfect timing for me to have to change my address, I'm moving next month lol.
I'll PM 'ya later, blue, I'm at work.
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 17 January 2019, 04:29:14
For anyone wondering why other poly boards are going fine while this ended up with issues, I will try and explain the basic differences.
The Poly Singa and TGR 910 are machined slowly to get a fairly clean finish, then sandblasted to achieve the frosted look we all know and love. The MxSS is done the same, followed by a UV coating. What this coating does is significantly improve the scratch resistance, and make the finish smoother. It also allows for custom colours.
I would like to maintain these benefits (primarily the scratch resistance), so even if some fingerprints are present, I will most likely not drop the UV coating. Feel free to comment if you think otherwise or have any advice.
Thanks,
Mx
Hype!
Perfect timing for me to have to change my address, I'm moving next month lol.
I'll PM 'ya later, blue, I'm at work.
I'll make sure to confirm addresses before I ship, but feel free to PM me before you forget :thumb:
Post by: bthezebra on Thu, 17 January 2019, 09:20:15
Post by: TechieWeirdo on Thu, 21 February 2019, 15:03:04
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 22 February 2019, 04:44:32
Any updates?
Sorry for over a month to go back without one, I came back from my vacation to the peak of CNY, followed by a real busy week at work. I just contacted the factory rep today and started talks again, my aim is to push forward with getting all the brass parts finished so that we can have a bit more breathing room to work with.
With the cases, it's becoming more and more concerning that they have not been able to resolve the issues, although they are much reduced. Again I ask for an opinion from you guys, do you think the small fingerprint marks on the rear are acceptable or would you rather aim closer to perfection? I really do want to deliver high quality finished products to everyone, but the timeline is not looking great if I need to talk with another factory to get cases done as well. I'm willing to spend whatever I can out of pocket to make sure everything works out, but I still need to wait on my factory rep to get back to me about finishing the brass parts he has on hand before I can negotiate further about the cases.
I hope the issues don't worry everyone too much, and I honestly cannot thank you all enough for your patience, I will do my best to meet your expectations.
Post by: MightyFineShindig on Fri, 22 February 2019, 07:23:31
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 22 February 2019, 11:42:27
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Fri, 22 February 2019, 21:28:37
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 22 February 2019, 22:14:24
While the delays are definitely unfortunate, I think communication is a really big part of the equation. When you are clued into what's happening, and there is communication on the other end, I think it makes it easier to swallow the delays.
Good point there. I agree, constant communication and transparency are key here.
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 25 February 2019, 05:30:47
For anyone wondering why other poly boards are going fine while this ended up with issues, I will try and explain the basic differences.
The Poly Singa and TGR 910 are machined slowly to get a fairly clean finish, then sandblasted to achieve the frosted look we all know and love. The MxSS is done the same, followed by a UV coating. What this coating does is significantly improve the scratch resistance, and make the finish smoother. It also allows for custom colours.
To add another data point, yuktsi said the other day in Discord that he had a 50% QC failure rate for the 910 bottom :eek: So you're not alone in feeling the pain with poly boards.
Post by: MightyFineShindig on Mon, 18 March 2019, 03:32:14
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 18 March 2019, 17:40:42
Factory rep at least replied to me last Saturday with an excuse that they're restructuring the company a bit, but have not squeezed out a date out of him yet.
Will definitely let everyone know when I make progress.
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 13 April 2019, 07:13:28
Finally got a reply from my factory rep a fortnight ago, giving me a rough quote which basically amounted to the original cost price of the parts, except that they're only reworking the brass parts. Reason for this is that the cost of plating has gone up since thanks to current situation in Shenzhen. I'm willing to pay the price, but after the recent events, I can't trust the factory to fulfil the order to a acceptable standard.
I'll be getting the brass parts that they have on hand out, and moving the project to another factory. I already have a few factories in mind that have successfully delivered high quality keyboards, so we aren't shooting at thin air. Since we're reproducing the cases anyway, I've gotten my designer to put the knowledge of all his newer designs in and clean up this one.
We have indeed basically gone full circle in a year... but a sad case of a serious of unfortunate events. If you have any comments or criticism, again, feel free to post here or contact me in PMs. Ultimately, I'm really just going the extra mile to make sure that I'll be able to deliver something that leaves a smile on your face, so I really am open to any suggestions.
Mx
Post by: vewy_nice on Mon, 15 April 2019, 06:24:58
This isn't the longest I've waited for a board, so you aren't breaking any records *coughNewModelFcough*
You've been super informative and have kept communication going through the whole process, that's all i could really ask for in a GB runner.
Thanks for putting up with all the headaches, and getting things done right!
I'd be willing to chip in a bit extra once things ship to cover any substantial loss you're taking.
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 15 April 2019, 20:00:39
Sounds good to me, m8.
This isn't the longest I've waited for a board, so you aren't breaking any records *coughNewModelFcough*
You've been super informative and have kept communication going through the whole process, that's all i could really ask for in a GB runner.
Thanks for putting up with all the headaches, and getting things done right!
I'd be willing to chip in a bit extra once things ship to cover any substantial loss you're taking.
And thank you for your patience and consideration. I'm not financially troubled, so I'll figure things out myself, but I really appreciate the offer, thanks!
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 15 April 2019, 21:02:04
Love this communitySounds good to me, m8.
This isn't the longest I've waited for a board, so you aren't breaking any records *coughNewModelFcough*
You've been super informative and have kept communication going through the whole process, that's all i could really ask for in a GB runner.
Thanks for putting up with all the headaches, and getting things done right!
I'd be willing to chip in a bit extra once things ship to cover any substantial loss you're taking.
And thank you for your patience and consideration. I'm not financially troubled, so I'll figure things out myself, but I really appreciate the offer, thanks!
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 04 May 2019, 00:21:49
Not much of a status update, but I'm trying to source a certain something for the design... Might interest some of you later. Won't say much more unless I confirm it'll work out. If we're going to have to remake the cases, might as well iterate the design a little and iron out the odd few kinks that were left over.
Mx
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 30 May 2019, 23:14:54
I have talked with the new factory, and they gave me a favourable quote for the order, so all parts are gonna be remade. Unfortunately what that means is that I cannot honour the custom coatings I initially offered (silver plating, gold plating, uncoated). Instead, all brass parts will be PVD brass. I will try and repair the specially coated parts from the old factory when I receive them but it won't be a priority for me right now.
As for the design, a few small changes. My designer has fixed the gap between the caps on the edge and the wall of the case, so it should be properly hi-pro now. The front facing LEDs now have a small groove to better distinguish between the LEDs and generally look better. The USB cutout was made a bit more precise. The feet grooves were changed to fit the more readily available 3M hemisperical feet so its easier to source replacements. There are other small changes here and there as the model was remake, but the aesthetic remains the same.
More updates to come hopefully shortly.
Mx
Post by: bthezebra on Fri, 31 May 2019, 00:06:53
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 31 May 2019, 03:26:22
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Fri, 31 May 2019, 09:09:33
Post by: vewy_nice on Fri, 31 May 2019, 10:45:50
(and some super special Apple keycaps)
I worked with MXBlue to make it happen specifically for Keycon and to keep spirits up!
Even the B-stock case that's warped and has some machining marks and fingerprints and smudges under the protective coating looks and feels amazing!
I'll be doing a bit of a photoshoot next week, I'll be sure to tease a little bit ;)
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 12 June 2019, 00:06:20
Fun times ahead! ;D
Post by: Captain Shwah on Wed, 12 June 2019, 00:12:28
Fun times ahead! ;D
Looking forward to it!! Thanks for continuing to carry the torch on this :thumb:
Post by: dwarflemur on Fri, 14 June 2019, 08:39:19
New parts have been ordered, a sample is in production now!
Fun times ahead! ;D
lit
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 26 June 2019, 05:00:29
Old on the left, new on the right. The speckled finish was intentional on my part, but the machining is much better on the new sample.
(https://i.imgur.com/rcwL6Gd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qadrJrT.jpg)
Old
(https://i.imgur.com/xskKrko.jpg)
New
(https://i.imgur.com/5SM4z0m.jpg)
As you can see, the changes I made are highlighted here:
New alignment columns, a groove where the front-facing LEDs would be
(https://i.imgur.com/aJeU5Sc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Fgh0vaV.jpg)
Circular bumpons rather than rectangular
(https://i.imgur.com/8Tns1qp.jpg)
I'm sure you'll also realised I moved from inserts back to tapped threads. This is because I found that inserts left more points of failure, in different ways to threads. Also, my new manufacturer preferred to work with threads rather than inserts here, saying they could do it better.
Unfortunately, it's not all good news. I found that my old manufacturer actually changed the dimensions for the plate silently, which meant that the plates I had on hand (the black nickel steel and polycarb ones notably) would not fit in the case since they are larger by ~2mm length-wise, and also ~0.5mm height-wise. I'll need to measure out the plate and determine its dimensions before we can proceed with the full run.
(https://i.imgur.com/DINJug9.jpg)
Will keep everyone informed on how we're going.
Mx
Post by: briano1905 on Wed, 26 June 2019, 05:42:15
the new finish is looking fine af
also im still interested to get an extra set of pcb-plate if possible
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 26 June 2019, 09:37:27
Post by: chakkii on Wed, 26 June 2019, 12:05:26
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 26 June 2019, 12:35:29
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 25 July 2019, 22:24:10
I wanted to wait for a time estimate to update everyone, but it's nearly been a month so I'll give a bit of a premature update.
I've dug up the plate file that the old factory used (an old one, which I couldn't find for the life of me) and sent the new factory a plate as reference just in case, which they received early this week.
Just waiting for a confirmation that production has started now
Post by: MxBlue on Sat, 24 August 2019, 02:27:01
Updates have been infrequent since I don't have too many to give, but the machining of cases is done, brass half way done! On a side note, my old factory has finally returned me the old parts, I'll see what I can do about those for people who might have wanted an extra plate or 2 later down the line.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 24 August 2019, 04:39:27
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 24 August 2019, 12:16:27
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 19 September 2019, 03:39:39
(https://i.imgur.com/9nJTHWn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IsKiiBb.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kJ2vG3b.png)
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 19 September 2019, 11:33:04
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 19 September 2019, 12:27:23
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 19 September 2019, 22:00:16
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 17 October 2019, 05:35:10
(https://i.imgur.com/c48hJTT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hb64nHF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2g7mPOt.jpg)
Please keep in mind that all the PVD parts have a "good side" and a "bad side".
Bad sides look like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/IPPSHOm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/o8PozsE.jpg)
Good sides look like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/bqzBlY6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CvkTZ9z.jpg)
More pics here: https://imgur.com/a/ZN45bpJ
What happens now? I need to check how many PCBs are working properly, the LEDs have had defects over time and I'd really like to not have any of those go out. I'll update with what the plan is for shipping once I take inventory.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 17 October 2019, 06:46:49
Post by: TieuNgu on Thu, 17 October 2019, 08:44:56
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 17 October 2019, 12:48:43
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 17 October 2019, 13:43:06
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 17 October 2019, 14:52:36
Post by: dwarflemur on Fri, 18 October 2019, 00:06:17
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 21 October 2019, 06:26:00
I've got ~25 PCBs that tested out fine after testing RGB, will ensure that all the switch positions work later.
(https://i.imgur.com/T4lnLo9.jpg)
The new order with another 30 or so PCBs.. will be done in 2 days?? I have learn't not to trust factory ETAs but getting one that small is a first even for me. Let's see how that goes.
As for the case/brass parts, a bit disappointed but it's passable. The brass parts are mostly good on the good side, with a few exceptions out of the ones I've checked so far.
Most of the brass weights appear to be slightly bent, but not enough to create any noticeable rocking. Some are totally banana, will check carefully to filter those out.
While the visual texture on the cases is very consistent, the physical texture is not unfortunately. It feels inconsistently sandy in some cases, very hit/miss across the 15 units I've checked so far. I apologise, but these will be going out since there isn't much to be done about it. I think you'll still be very impressed by what you receive.
View QC images of the brass over here if you want a bit more insight: https://imgur.com/a/DDrKY93
Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, the poly/black nickel steel parts fit fine inside the new cases.
(https://i.imgur.com/GcW6a64.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3R8cAPs.jpg)
Side note - Jelly POM would work real nice with a poly plate.
(https://i.imgur.com/lsnsJGS.jpg)
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 21 October 2019, 16:49:27
Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk
Post by: TechieWeirdo on Mon, 18 November 2019, 13:05:41
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 19 November 2019, 01:02:53
I received 30 new PCBs last week, they need to be tested by providing that they're mostly functional, that side of the issue is resolved.
The main problem unfortunately goes back to the cases and plates.
After checking through all the parts, I gave one of the purple kits out to a local. Despite that unit having less significant warping issues compared to the other units, he mentioned that he warping did cause issues with the assembled board not sitting flat.
The core issue is that somehow, a lot of the brass weights and the case bottoms along with them are warped, some more so than the others. That paired with defects in the PVD and marks in some of the cases have led me to further discussions with the manufacturer.
I will provide updates on what kind of resolution we come to. With the parts that I deem A-Stock, I will work my way down the list and get them out as soon as I can.
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 13 December 2019, 19:37:13
The current situation is this: the case bottoms are a little warped, but not by much. The real issue are the weights. At first, I didn't notice how much they were affecting the assembled unit but once I started specifically checking for it, it was pretty clear that it was an issue (thanks to TaeKeyboards for pointing it out in his build vid).
The factory got back to me and simply told me they could not improve the situation. Apparently, fault lies with the design for the keyboard and weight, and they warped during production... Both problems I had specified to them beforehand but alas, the situation is as it is.
Since then, I've been going through the boards and attempting to find a config that reduces the warp as much as possible. This process is pretty time consuming, and work and family have been keeping me busy so I apologise for my speed in this matter. Providing boards with warp in the first place is far from my ideal though, so I'm also aiming to produce an alternate weight that is slightly thicker and has an engraved logo rather than a machine though one. The finish will be sandblasted and uncoated. I'm not particularly happy with this solution myself since it changes the lovely underglow logo, but I really want to give out a functionally sound keyboard to you all.
I have no real excuse for the speed at which I'm doing things now, life is getting in the way, so I'll offer 3 options to people who are understandably getting impatient.
1. Accept one of the units with slight warp, I will give you my configuration on how to reduce it as much as possible and the rest is up to you. Based on your experience, I can arrange for a partial refund as well.
2. If you've ordered a black nickel set, accept a partial refund for the brass weight and receive the rest of your order.
3. I will offer a full refund of your order.
When MxSS was first released to the public, it was one of very few polycarb keyboards available, and I hoped to bring the material to the hands of many more. Now, I am just one of many, and other makers like Exclusive and Foxlabs are doing a spectacular job of producing high quality products of similar nature with better success than I ever had and it shames me to hold the money of the people who trusted in me hostage when they could get get what they wanted in another group buy.
I am not giving up on fixing the warp issue, and I will try at least one more time to produce weights without warp. If that attempt fails and money allows for it, stainless steel weights (like the black nickel plated ones) actually do resolve the issue, so producing some of those is a fall back (steel weights tend to change the sound characteristic of the board slightly, so I've been wanting to avoid this option).
Will send this post as an email to everyone as well.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: Okonomiyaki#2832 on Fri, 13 December 2019, 19:42:11
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Fri, 13 December 2019, 19:49:07
Post by: TieuNgu on Fri, 13 December 2019, 19:51:24
Post by: MxBlue on Fri, 13 December 2019, 19:57:48
any timeline on producing a new weight? I don't mind waiting for it, just making sure that it would eventually resolve the issue.Going to prototype first, it's a small modification but just waiting on my designer to do it anyway since I've only done QC in CAD up until now lol.
I'll provide a time estimate when I get one, the factory is pretty occupied with keyboard orders are this point so I'm letting my fingers crossed on this one.
Post by: Captain Shwah on Fri, 13 December 2019, 20:16:34
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 13 December 2019, 20:31:43
the true test of a man's character.
Post by: Kevadu on Sat, 14 December 2019, 13:53:13
Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 24 December 2019, 15:44:54
Post by: Artemie on Sun, 05 January 2020, 06:50:39
Lighting is terrible, though.
Mirrored MxSS so that the wording spells "MxSS".
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Post by: AuthenticDanger on Sun, 05 January 2020, 10:41:35
MxSS is still happening, just received it in the mail.
How'd you swing that? :))
Still excited for this as it'll likely be my first and last polycarb board.
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 05 January 2020, 16:03:52
MxSS is still happening, just received it in the mail.
How'd you swing that? :))
Still excited for this as it'll likely be my first and last polycarb board.
Shipped him one with a warped weight early. Still waiting to hear back from the factory re new weights, will prod them today.
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 20 January 2020, 02:21:09
(https://i.imgur.com/5QFaW6A.jpg)
It is flat. We good.
I'll put the order in before CNY if I can, though no idea on what kind of lead times to expect at this point. Will keep everyone updated.
Also fyi, weight is now 4mm thick, protrudes 1mm out of the weight slot and is heavier. Does not interfere with the PCB or anything. I'll be going for brass for the large order.
Post by: avtar on Tue, 21 January 2020, 11:02:51
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Tue, 21 January 2020, 11:29:30
Gotta start lubing switches!
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 22 January 2020, 12:01:50
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 22 January 2020, 19:56:27
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 22 January 2020, 20:07:31
gotta say, those matte weights look hella better than PVDd ones
After having them in front of me, can say I feel the same. Oh well, choices made in a time past.
Alas, I did not manage to make the cut so I'm waiting for post CNY to get quotes and schedule production. Max, you can take your time lubing those switches ^-^
Post by: TieuNgu on Thu, 23 January 2020, 00:52:32
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 23 January 2020, 00:54:36
It's been a while so I don't remember my plate /weight choice. But if you haven't re-ordered, I would really like for mine to be matte.Unfortunately I couldn't fulfill those choices since they got warped... Everyone is getting matte brass now. Hopefully that should be alright.
Post by: TieuNgu on Thu, 23 January 2020, 08:34:54
Perfect! :thumb:It's been a while so I don't remember my plate /weight choice. But if you haven't re-ordered, I would really like for mine to be matte.Unfortunately I couldn't fulfill those choices since they got warped... Everyone is getting matte brass now. Hopefully that should be alright.
Post by: bthezebra on Thu, 23 January 2020, 14:00:03
Agreed this is great news! Love the look of matte as well :)Perfect! :thumb:It's been a while so I don't remember my plate /weight choice. But if you haven't re-ordered, I would really like for mine to be matte.Unfortunately I couldn't fulfill those choices since they got warped... Everyone is getting matte brass now. Hopefully that should be alright.
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 30 January 2020, 21:43:58
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 06 February 2020, 22:16:07
Post by: Chadtucket on Tue, 11 February 2020, 13:20:18
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 12 February 2020, 05:44:19
Any room for extras or will any additions ones be made??
No more will be made, I may have some extras but I'm dealing with those after I get the main GB participants all good and well. Lots of B stock, but I lack the lacking supplies and PCBs to sell all of those too. Again, will deal with after the GB.
In other news, I'm glad to announce that MxSS is now VIA supported! If you already have your MxSS, simply compile the 'via' keymap with an up-to-date QMK repo or download the firmware below.
The firmware and VIA config on the official repos supports configuration for underglow and the keymap, while the below firmware and VIA config also allow for configuration of the front LED.
(https://i.imgur.com/hhRI6vl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cht5QCg.png)
Above is the extra config from the VIA JSON below. This requires compiling the mxss-via-rgb-pr QMK branch from my repo or downloading the firmware below and flashing it to your keyboard. The JSON can then be loaded in VIA by enabling the Design tab in Settings and loading this JSON file in the new Design tab. This JSON will need to be loaded every time you want to change these particular settings through VIA for now.
Brightness and Effect correspond to the front LED brightness and modes respectively. The indicator color configuration in Advanced corresponds to the colors shown in Indicator Mode. Special thanks to Olivia for working with me to get all this working :D
If there are any strange issues with corrupt keymaps or general strange behaviour, try resetting the EEPROM by holding down the Esc key (top left most) while in the keyboard and flashing the firmware again.
Disclaimer: The custom VIA JSON below is not in the official repo because the way VIA handles some of the special controls it implements are subject to change. Once a more official way to configure these options comes about, I will implement that so there are no extra steps for loading the config. For now, the below JSON will work with VIA version 1.2.4, and functionality beyond that may change.
Firmware: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PRSvxjyE6XcnnrwXcoGix204xQExaI9J/view?usp=sharing
Firmware source: https://github.com/MxBlu/qmk_firmware/tree/mxss-via-rgb-pr/keyboards/mxss
VIA JSON: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MxBlu/keyboards/mxss-rgb/src/other/mxss/mxss.json
You can find VIA here: https://github.com/the-via/releases/releases/latest
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 01 March 2020, 21:50:27
Finally got a quote back from the factory, they're asking for another grand so spare me a bit to negotiate and save my wallet a smidge.
In the meanwhile, I realised that I totally forgot that clearcoating brass was an option.
The current spec has the weights as sandblasted brass without coating. Honestly, I much prefer the colour of raw sandblasted brass to clearcoated (it tends to turn a more brown shade) but if the majority of participants want clear coat, I'll swap over to it.
I'll email out the preference forms, PM/email me if you didn't get one in the next hour. You only need to fill it out if you care for which you get, I will take majority opinion.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 02 March 2020, 02:59:57
Also for those interested, looks like the higher cost was due to it being 4mm brass, and them not having 4mm brass sheets.
Consider me jumping the gun as trying to get things done fast :))
Do keep in mind that the factory is running in reduced capacity, so even a simple order will take a bit. Will let people know how things are going when I know.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 04 March 2020, 16:15:46
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Mon, 09 March 2020, 15:04:35
Built mine last week. Polycarb Plate + U4 Silent Tactile switches.
:thumb:
Post by: dommyy13 on Fri, 13 March 2020, 10:59:14
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 22 March 2020, 08:52:46
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tlcCP6g.png)
Built mine last week. Polycarb Plate + U4 Silent Tactile switches.
:thumb:
:O how'd you get my MxSS
Post by: jauny on Tue, 24 March 2020, 21:58:50
Post by: Poblopuablo on Wed, 25 March 2020, 17:36:47
Post by: ___q on Sun, 05 April 2020, 14:11:23
A few quick pics... ignore the messed up backslash key and the profiles on the three keys on the right, I only noticed those after uploading the pictures, and they've since been fixed.
Post by: BigBabyJesus on Wed, 15 April 2020, 07:35:52
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 29 April 2020, 04:22:12
So good news, the factory finished up on all the new brass weights on Friday! Bad news unfortunately, is that the cost to ship them to me is currently at half the price of the actual parts due to the current situation...
For the time being, after discussing with the factory rep, we agreed to wait it out for a month and see where prices go there. If the prices don't improve, I'll cop the cost myself.
Will this board make a return? Or someone willing to let one go?
See the pain I've gone (and going) through, v unlikely unless some vendor wants to take it on themselves haha. There will likely be a handful of extras after I finish up, will post in the thread once I'm ready to sell those.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 29 April 2020, 12:04:30
Hi all!
So good news, the factory finished up on all the new brass weights on Friday! Bad news unfortunately, is that the cost to ship them to me is currently at half the price of the actual parts due to the current situation...
For the time being, after discussing with the factory rep, we agreed to wait it out for a month and see where prices go there. If the prices don't improve, I'll cop the cost myself.Will this board make a return? Or someone willing to let one go?
See the pain I've gone (and going) through, v unlikely unless some vendor wants to take it on themselves haha. There will likely be a handful of extras after I finish up, will post in the thread once I'm ready to sell those.
Thanks,
Mx
damn sorry to hear that. thank you for stepping up.
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 04 June 2020, 03:42:42
I'll start working down the list and packing orders, will keep everyone posted.
(https://i.imgur.com/XlUX0Oh.jpg)
Post by: TieuNgu on Thu, 04 June 2020, 09:57:40
Post by: NorrittMTG on Thu, 04 June 2020, 10:05:14
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 04 June 2020, 10:21:07
Post by: bthezebra on Thu, 04 June 2020, 13:06:49
Post by: dwarflemur on Thu, 04 June 2020, 13:17:46
Post by: MightyFineShindig on Fri, 05 June 2020, 03:57:26
Post by: tavidayo on Fri, 05 June 2020, 21:03:51
Post by: MxBlue on Sun, 14 June 2020, 06:44:43
Packing order, will send them out in small waves first to make sure the postage system isn't busted. I'll have to start reaching out to people for address + phone.
Post by: NorrittMTG on Sun, 14 June 2020, 07:32:47
Any idea when you may be listing extras and/or B-stock?
Post by: Captain Shwah on Sun, 14 June 2020, 09:30:33
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 17 June 2020, 03:03:55
I've also discovered a bit of an issue with the the threads, namely the plate threads in this case. Screwing in the brass plate (and I suspect the black nickel plate will have similar) causes a bit of the coating on the inside of the hole in the plate to fall into the threads. This causes the threads to have this a light black coating on the inside unfortunately. This is less visible once the screws are inserted of course, but it is an unfortunate oversight on my part.
I've found carefully using a small qtip lightly soaked in a solvent like isopropyl does a great job of removing the black soot, though caution is needed since isopropyl will interact with the coating and cause some blotches.
(https://i.imgur.com/tKBcV9J.jpg)
There isn't much I can do about it at this stage, but I wanted to be transparent about the issue. As always, you're free to contact me if this bothers you.
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 06 July 2020, 04:46:56
Just letting everyone know that everything is packed and all, just shipping it out in batches. Awkwardly paused because I ran out of ink to print labels :)) Will get that sorted shortly.
Everyone down to invoice number 25 should have their board or have received an invoice by now. If you haven't, please contact me.
Thanks,
Mx
Post by: NorrittMTG on Mon, 06 July 2020, 05:15:31
So... that must mean we’re close to extras time 😬
Post by: MxBlue on Mon, 06 July 2020, 05:20:53
Good need and great work!
So... that must mean we’re close to extras time 😬
After finally checking and packing anything, gotta admit it ain't looking pretty for extras.
Just had enough A stock to go out, and there's a few A- (case has the threads cleaned out as best as possible, plates are B stock) which are to be divvied out to certain friends who've supported me through all this, and then a good bunch of uh "B+" stock which has small visual defects of various kinds. Not even gonna give a mention to the boards from the old factory haha, those might randomly show up on mechmarket probably.
Nothing final but this is what it's looking like right now.
Post by: NorrittMTG on Mon, 06 July 2020, 05:22:28
Post by: dwarflemur on Mon, 06 July 2020, 15:07:13
Post by: TieuNgu on Wed, 08 July 2020, 15:23:06
(https://i.imgur.com/tSaXIC1.jpg)
got mine today. I did not expect it to be this heavy for a pc board. Probably due to the hefty weight. Thanks MX!!!
Post by: NorrittMTG on Wed, 08 July 2020, 15:24:02
Post by: MxBlue on Wed, 08 July 2020, 16:09:01
I went from a 3mm weight to a 4mm weight to reduce issues with warp, and only noticed that meant a 33% increase in weight after the factShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/iY8Ntfi.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tSaXIC1.jpg)
got mine today. I did not expect it to be this heavy for a pc board. Probably due to the hefty weight. Thanks MX!!!
Post by: ManiacMarc on Wed, 08 July 2020, 21:18:24
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 09 July 2020, 02:21:09
Post by: dwarflemur on Thu, 16 July 2020, 19:33:01
Post by: MxBlue on Thu, 16 July 2020, 19:34:39
well it looks like mine was delivered to my house about 20 min ago, several days ahead of the tracking estimate. I can't wait to head home
DHL Tracking in the current times way underestimates delivery times, cause never know when customs will sit on it for a week.
Post by: NorrittMTG on Sun, 19 July 2020, 17:25:57
Do you take kidneys?
Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 21 July 2020, 13:58:27
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Post by: MxBlue on Tue, 26 January 2021, 00:44:45
The MxSS GB actually finished around July, when I shipped out all of the GB unit. Since then, I've lazily been sitting on B stock units that I fixed and packed over time, and so it's finally time to get rid of them.
3 of these units are B stock, and one is a proto which ended up having the wrong sized plates. All kits come with a corrected brass weight, B-stock PVD plate and working PCB. The prototype comes with 2 A stock plates instead. Note that the PVD finish is significantly worse on the bottom of the plate vs the top, this is normal.
B#4 | (Top) Freckle - Top right, near blocker - Black, cleaned threads have a hazy residue inside the top case, Soot in some threads - https://imgur.com/a/Vw16zFL
B#5 | (Top) Scratch - Top right, under blocker, Soot in some threads - https://imgur.com/a/QWEWCMA
B#7 | Physical texture very rough, Soot in some threads - https://imgur.com/a/iFm2PyT
P#1 | Rough texture, visually spotty, comes with 2 plates - https://imgur.com/a/wlXF0lx
The B stocks are priced at 350USD before shipping and the proto at 375USD. I've lost far too much in this GB to be able to decide on any reasonable price below GB, so I decided to just stick to GB pricing.
I can quote shipping to the US at 83USD via DHL (2-7 business days) or 55USD via Auspost standard (10-20 business days). Other countries are likely anywhere from 0-10USD more expensive. Australia is 20AUD or so.
All sales are final, and I can only really assist with parts that may have been damaged during shipping. I have spare PCBs I can sell if you happen to need them (though I'd need to pull out the box and get counting).
If you're interested, enter your preferences in the form below. If there's only a handful of entries, it'll be FCFS. Otherwise, I'll draw it as a raffle.
https://forms.gle/GrRV6cyN4qUSMgV4A
Thanks,
Mx