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geekhack Marketplace => Group Buys and Preorders => Topic started by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:22:11

Title: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:22:11
(http://i.imgur.com/ncMBeAF.png)

Dell ANSI | KBP v60 | Infinity | AEK II | ISO

Alpine Winter is a keyset for 60% Alps boards which provides broader 60% compatibility than any MX keyset to date.
Signature Plastics DCS Profile | Doubleshot ABS | Cherry-replica legends | Colors BGA & GTL

This elegant keyset is designed to look classy on any Alps 60% keyboard. You can use it by itself or mix and match with Badwrench's BX teal modifier sets. Either way, your board will look great and you'll be a part of something special: the first community-produced full 60% Alps keyset.



(http://i.imgur.com/W2bDDRx.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/MUxBuoA.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/qlygHnI.jpg)



Early-Bird Raffle - Nubs!
(http://i.imgur.com/yyDr8nb.jpg) (https://farm1.staticflickr.com/570/21499658489_8eeca6301d_k.jpg)

No keycap artisan on Geekhack loves Alps more than our pal nubbinator. So to help encourage people to join this buy early, nubs is offering 5 doubleshot Alpine Winter-themed Dolly V2/Fn sets as giveaways!

Rules: These sets will be raffled off between the first 50 orders at the 50 MOQ. So if you order 2 sets at the 50 mark, that's 2 entries in the raffle! If you order one set at the 50 mark and one set at the 75 mark, you get one entry in the raffle. And if you order 100 sets at the 100 mark, you get no entries in the raffle. Remember, you'll pay the lowest possible price based on total orders, even if you commit at the 50 MOQ, so join right away!



Pricing Tiers
Quantity   Price
50$94 + Shipping
75$79 + Shipping
100$70 + Shipping

When signing up for the buy, you will have the chance to commit to the pricing tier(s) of your choice.

Shipping still TBD. CONUS orders will most likely ship via USPS. International orders, I will do my best to determine the best shipping method ASAP.



Add-on Spacebar Packs, $7

Want to stock up on some extra spacebars? Now you can! When ordering, you will have the option to add 2-packs in 3 sizes:

Infinity Hacker Spacebar (6U) 2-Pack. One gray and one blue.
AEK II Spacebar (6.5U) 2-Pack. One gray and one blue.
Standard Blue Spacebar 2-Pack. One 6.2U and one 7U.



Extras
Novelties and blanks are available a la carte, even if you don't purchase a base kit.
NOTE: Prices do not include shipping.

Geekhack Novelty Pack, $7
(http://i.imgur.com/gcJ1rsI.png)

Personalize your Alps board and show your love for Geekhack with the Geekhack Novelty Pack! This pack includes 2 GEEK HACK keys and 2 Sadsters.



Blanks
(http://i.imgur.com/6w1DQUq.png)
Photoshop mockup

Because Alps keycaps are hard to come by, I'm offering a chance to pool our resources to stock up on blanks. When ordering, you will have the chance to add blanks in set colors BGA and GTL, in sizes 1U, 1.25U, and 1.5U. Pricing is as follows:

1U: $0.73/ea.
1.25U: $0.75/ea. (Row 4 only)
1.5U: $1.49/ea.
2U: $2.50/ea. (Gray, Row 4 only)



Now with Monarch support!

Have you heard about Monarch (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75786.0)? The Monarch is an custom Alps 60% + LHTK (left-hand tenkey) based on the AEKII layout.

(http://i.imgur.com/SJWvcSb.jpg)

The Monarch group buy opened up shortly after Alpine Winter, and I've been wishing there was a way that Alpine Winter could support the numpad cluster since day one. Well I'm thrilled to announce that we are now offering a special numpad blanks kit, exclusively for Monarch buyers!

(http://i.imgur.com/r2TSNOo.png)

The Monarch kit includes a full set of blanks for an AEKII numpad layout, and the cost is $16/set. Because this is an exclusive for Monarch buyers, ordering and delivery will be handled through koalapear. Contact him with any questions.

NOTE: This numpad kit was made possible by an anonymous benefactor, and is strictly exclusive to Monarch buyers. I will only be shipping these kits to koalapear, who will handle fulfillment. Do not contact me asking me for a numpad kit, you will be ignored. Do not contact me asking me for any 1x2 vertical keys, you will be ignored. Thanks.



Details
Invoicing will be done via PayPal after the buy is closed. Once all funds have been collected, I will submit the order to Signature Plastics. Current lead time for DCS sets is about 6 weeks.

Deadline to Join
The buy will close Saturday, October 24.



Alpine Winter is on Reddit (https://redd.it/3mc2d7) and Deskthority (http://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/alpine-winter-60-alps-dcs-keycaps-t11630.html).

Need a board to put these caps on? Check out Alps Party 60% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.0)!



Special thanks to Badwrench for proving that Alps GB's can work; E3E for helping design the colorway; geniekid for suggesting the name; nubbinator for the artisan raffle & legend permissions; hashbaz, iMav and i3oilermaker for legend permissions; nickheller and jacobulous for feedback & suggestions on IRC; and everyone else who expressed interest in this set and offered support and suggestions.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:40:44
Reserved.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:08:58
Looks great! Thanks for setting this up! Gonna put at least 1 order in!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:13:18
Ordered :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:13:31
That spacebar pack is a fantastic idea!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:21:44
Almost a perfect set! (no glider keys haha)

Is there a link to an image with these alphas with Badwrench's mod set? Edit: found it https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74783.msg1845824#msg1845824
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:25:28
Awwwww yeah!

Looking forward to getting these on a board. I'll have to step up my board dismantling with this and the Alps Party hitting sometime late this year early next!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:26:35
Ordered  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: digi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:08:25
Oh yeaaa buddy, Alpsie goodness. Thanks njbair and to all the contributors that made this happen!

In like Flynn!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Joey Quinn on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:10:44
I really want this for my JD45 but... :emptywallet:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: harlw on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:12:09
Oh my!


Blanks!  :o  Great work OP!


I can ALMOST finish my alps ergodox and be rid of these odd profile 1u keys on all the modifiers!


For those of you interested, I have AEKII caps on my ergodox so I compared the DCS profile and it's totally acceptable for my purposes and I think this color blue(?) will look great as modifiers with the beige AEKII caps.




DCS is on the bottom in color, AEK in negative over top:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/111h1y3L3f0f1Z1w3M2b/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-25%20at%20Sep%2025%20%7C%208.55.54%20AM.png) (https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/111h1y3L3f0f1Z1w3M2b/Screen%20Shot%202015-09-25%20at%20Sep%2025%20%7C%208.55.54%20AM.png)




This is what I have:
(http://i.imgur.com/v0DxL0J.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/v0DxL0J.jpg)


If I were to order I would be looking at:


12 1.5u keys but I'm not certain what rows to buy, anybody figure that out?
8 1u keys for the thumb cluster as it's currently a hack job too.
No 2u keys that i desperately need for the thumb cluster though :(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jerue on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:22:44
Sorry if this is a silly question, are we required to purchase the parent deal to get the add-ons? I just want the novelty pack.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:24:35
Sorry if this is a silly question, are we required to purchase the parent deal to get the add-ons? I just want the novelty pack.

Yes, the main pack is required. It says that on the order form, but I didn't see it in the OP.

FYI, most community-run GBs used to do this in the past. If you were a collector of those novelties, you had to buy in to the GB (and help us meet MOQ) in order to collect your caps.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:25:52
In for 2 base packs and a GH pack. :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: saturnotaku on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:26:12
Joined at the 75 MOQ. Hopefully it will tip at that price. Looking forward to giving my KBP V60 some keycap love.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: bcredbottle on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:55:11
How thick are these? I'd be interested in them for casting purposes...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:59:18
How thick are these? I'd be interested in them for casting purposes...

It's Signature Plastics DCS, so not very thick.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: digi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:04:04
How thick are these? I'd be interested in them for casting purposes...

It's Signature Plastics DCS, so not very thick.

@bcredbottle, please keep in mind that Alps GB's seldom happen, so please jump in head first and let's hit 100+ MOQ! :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:07:08
How thick are these? I'd be interested in them for casting purposes...

It's Signature Plastics DCS, so not very thick.

7-bit keeps threatening an SA-like Alps keycap buy. So watch for that in the 2020s!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: digi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:08:09
How thick are these? I'd be interested in them for casting purposes...

It's Signature Plastics DCS, so not very thick.

7-bit keeps threatening an SA-like Alps keycap buy. So watch for that in the 2020s!

Talk is cheap, especially coming from 7-bit..lol
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:10:26
How thick are these? I'd be interested in them for casting purposes...

It's Signature Plastics DCS, so not very thick.

7-bit keeps threatening an SA-like Alps keycap buy. So watch for that in the 2020s!

I like SA, but I don't really think I would prefer them over DCS for Alps. I have no problem at all continuing to support double shot DCS-profile group buys. I really like DCS!

DCS may not be as nice as Cherry/GMK, but it's close enough for me. With the added benefit that, you know, we can actually have a successful GB for them. :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:10:30
Had to jump in. Hope this is a successful buy.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:14:37
Nice set design, congratulations, I just do not have an ALPS board now, otherwise I'd jump on the buy immediately.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:17:00
Nice set design, congratulations, I just do not have an ALPS board now, otherwise I'd jump on the buy immediately.
Buy a set for when you do have an alps board :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 10:30:16
Nice set design, congratulations, I just do not have an ALPS board now, otherwise I'd jump on the buy immediately.

Well then, you need to get in on this: [GB] Alps Party 60% - Hannibal at the Gates (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.0)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: U47 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:19:26
Yisss!

This is going to sound weird, but I'm in for a set, at least one 6u spacebar set, maybe a 6.5u spacebar set, and two sets worth of blanks (hopefully they tip).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: kennardsmith on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:19:37
Well I'm in for a set. Already regretting not adding blanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:28:11
Nice set design, congratulations, I just do not have an ALPS board now, otherwise I'd jump on the buy immediately.

Well then, you need to get in on this: [GB] Alps Party 60% - Hannibal at the Gates (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.0)

It is so tempting; but, I just fell in love with my recent modded GON with my own version of Ergo Clears and vintage Cherry caps, that I'd feel unfaithful with, if I'd go for an ALPS now. I am sure you have been in my shoes.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: harlw on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:29:42
Nice set design, congratulations, I just do not have an ALPS board now, otherwise I'd jump on the buy immediately.

Well then, you need to get in on this: [GB] Alps Party 60% - Hannibal at the Gates (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.0)

It is so tempting; but, I just fell in love with my recent modded GON with my own version of Ergo Clears and vintage Cherry caps, that I'd feel unfaithful with, if I'd go for an ALPS now. I am sure you have been in my shoes.


Pictars and detailz plz :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:34:45
Nice set design, congratulations, I just do not have an ALPS board now, otherwise I'd jump on the buy immediately.

Well then, you need to get in on this: [GB] Alps Party 60% - Hannibal at the Gates (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.0)

It is so tempting; but, I just fell in love with my recent modded GON with my own version of Ergo Clears and vintage Cherry caps, that I'd feel unfaithful with, if I'd go for an ALPS now. I am sure you have been in my shoes.


Pictars and detailz plz :D

Hehe, I do not want to take over this fine thread though, it would be somewhere else, when I get the black 7u GMK space bar that it still needs to get it properly dress, by now Ivan's purple mods, and my vintage Cherry set do a decent job. Some electric blue mods are coming that would be its weekend's outfit.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 25 September 2015, 12:49:51
Being a SP set I assume the big keys will use Cherry-mount stems for stabilizers, am I right?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 12:51:55
Being a SP set I assume the big keys will use Cherry-mount stems for stabilizers, am I right?

Yes. The stab mounts will be cruciform.

There are a couple of workarounds for this issue. I plan on outlining those soon. But if you are taking part in Alps Party 60%, those plates will work with stock stab wires.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 12:56:11
Sorry if this is a silly question, are we required to purchase the parent deal to get the add-ons? I just want the novelty pack.

Yes, the main pack is required. It says that on the order form, but I didn't see it in the OP.

FYI, most community-run GBs used to do this in the past. If you were a collector of those novelties, you had to buy in to the GB (and help us meet MOQ) in order to collect your caps.

Sorry if this is a silly question, are we required to purchase the parent deal to get the add-ons? I just want the novelty pack.

I'm actually going to update the verbiage, and make the blanks and novelties available by themselves. I don't think this will cannibalize base kit sales. The spacebar packs, however, are strictly add-ons.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 25 September 2015, 13:32:51
For blanks, is Row 1 or 4 the bottom row?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 13:46:01
For blanks, is Row 1 or 4 the bottom row?

Row 1 is the top row (and the function row on full-size boards), row 4 is the bottom two rows.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 25 September 2015, 13:47:45
I thank you... Getting a couple of AEK2 bottow row kits just in case. Alphas are everywhere. (Though less everywhere than MX alphas)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: E3E on Fri, 25 September 2015, 13:57:33
Thanks for making this happen, njbair, and for the shoutout! Definitely in for one of everything, some 1.5u Row 4 blanks, two novelty sets, and a second base set if we get to 75 MQO! So hype for this!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: skullydazed on Fri, 25 September 2015, 14:10:20
Got my order in.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 25 September 2015, 14:25:45
In for two infinity hacker sets.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: sean on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:33:21
I'm in for a set with a novelty pack.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:41:31
Submitted for the kitchen sink.  Obviously not in it for the Dolly and Fn.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:54:13
...and we've hit our first MOQ, for the Geekhack novelty packs!

I've whipped up some spreadsheet magic so everyone can check the buy's progress. You'll find the link towards the bottom of the OP, but I'll add it here too for the lazy: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I8iOJQJVgFuvV6igp_-ni07pqSKx7nvcyaIMPkdLtT8/pubhtml?gid=1059250896&single=true
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 25 September 2015, 18:16:39
Seems there is a problem with permissions on the spreadsheet.

Also, if people want to add more do they just submit another order which will overwrite their previous one?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 25 September 2015, 18:24:24
Am lazy, thanks
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: atectatifern on Fri, 25 September 2015, 18:59:53
In
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 25 September 2015, 22:01:45
I really want this set, but I've put an unofficial freeze on keyboard purchases for the time being.  :(  Will try to free up some funds by the deadline and join - I'd hate to miss out on this one.

Great job with the GB, njbair.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Sat, 26 September 2015, 01:34:03
Holy cannoli you did it! :D I'm just about to dive right in, but I have a dumb question because I'm a weenie and don't understand haha. When you say we can apply for different MOQ's does that mean we are commiting to that price range and should that price range not happen we wouldn't get the kit? And lets say we put "1" in all three MOQ's, do you add all three of those up as three separate kits, or would we get the lowest one? I read on the form we get the lowest price, but I was just unsure haha.

Thanks again for doing this GB! You are an Alps angel njbair!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 26 September 2015, 02:10:41
Holy cannoli you did it! :D I'm just about to dive right in, but I have a dumb question because I'm a weenie and don't understand haha. When you say we can apply for different MOQ's does that mean we are commiting to that price range and should that price range not happen we wouldn't get the kit? And lets say we put "1" in all three MOQ's, do you add all three of those up as three separate kits, or would we get the lowest one? I read on the form we get the lowest price, but I was just unsure haha.

Thanks again for doing this GB! You are an Alps angel njbair!  :thumb:

Yes, if you sign up for 1 set for the $75 MOQ and it isn't reached, you would not get the kit.  If you sign up for 1 at $50, 1 at $75, and 1 at $100, you are signing up for 3 kits.  If the $50 MOQ is met you will get all three kits at $50.  If the $75 MOQ is met you will get two kits at $75.  If only the $100 MOQ is met, then you would get one kit at $100.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: deci on Sat, 26 September 2015, 03:05:13
Alps keycaps???

In like a mofo!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 08:57:58
Holy cannoli you did it! :D I'm just about to dive right in, but I have a dumb question because I'm a weenie and don't understand haha. When you say we can apply for different MOQ's does that mean we are commiting to that price range and should that price range not happen we wouldn't get the kit? And lets say we put "1" in all three MOQ's, do you add all three of those up as three separate kits, or would we get the lowest one? I read on the form we get the lowest price, but I was just unsure haha.

Thanks again for doing this GB! You are an Alps angel njbair!  :thumb:

Yes, if you sign up for 1 set for the $75 MOQ and it isn't reached, you would not get the kit.  If you sign up for 1 at $50, 1 at $75, and 1 at $100, you are signing up for 3 kits.  If the $50 MOQ is met you will get all three kits at $50.  If the $75 MOQ is met you will get two kits at $75.  If only the $100 MOQ is met, then you would get one kit at $100.

This is almost right, except you got confused and mixed up the order quantities (50, 75, 100) with the prices for each ($94, $79, $70).

To put it another way, all three MOQs should add up to the total number of sets you want to buy at the cheapest price.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 11:12:24
Wow, great response so far, everyone!

If you are on Reddit, please take a minute to upboat this post and help get the word out: https://redd.it/3mc2d7
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 14:02:28
A couple of fun updates to share...

Alpine Winter is featured on KeyChatter! Thanks, livingspeedbump! Check it out (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/09/25/whats-clacking-hardwood-60-case-on-massdrop-along-with-104u-realforce-alpine-winter-alps-group-buy-and-more/).

Major milestone update: We have met or exceeded the 50% mark for all three MOQs! That means that in less than two days' time, we're already halfway there. We are also well past the halfway marks for all three spacebar add-on packs (60-80%), and the novelty pack has blown past MOQ at 144%.

Response for add-on blanks has been solid. I have added totals tracking for blanks to the status page (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I8iOJQJVgFuvV6igp_-ni07pqSKx7nvcyaIMPkdLtT8/pubhtml?gid=1059250896&single=true). I have to enter these manually, so don't expect to see new orders right away.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 26 September 2015, 17:25:19
A couple of fun updates to share...

Alpine Winter is featured on KeyChatter! Thanks, livingspeedbump! Check it out (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/09/25/whats-clacking-hardwood-60-case-on-massdrop-along-with-104u-realforce-alpine-winter-alps-group-buy-and-more/).

Major milestone update: We have met or exceeded the 50% mark for all three MOQs! That means that in less than two days' time, we're already halfway there. We are also well past the halfway marks for all three spacebar add-on packs (60-80%), and the novelty pack has blown past MOQ at 144%.

Oh sure, your GB gets mentioned but mine doesn't.   >:D

Just kidding.  I'm already way post my MOQ and yours still needs a little love.   :p

But in all seriousness, if your GB doesn't pass I'm going to start cracking skulls.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 17:28:52
A couple of fun updates to share...

Alpine Winter is featured on KeyChatter! Thanks, livingspeedbump! Check it out (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/09/25/whats-clacking-hardwood-60-case-on-massdrop-along-with-104u-realforce-alpine-winter-alps-group-buy-and-more/).

Major milestone update: We have met or exceeded the 50% mark for all three MOQs! That means that in less than two days' time, we're already halfway there. We are also well past the halfway marks for all three spacebar add-on packs (60-80%), and the novelty pack has blown past MOQ at 144%.

Oh sure, your GB gets mentioned but mine doesn't.   >:D

Just kidding.  I'm already way post my MOQ and yours still needs a little love.   :p

But in all seriousness, if your GB doesn't pass I'm going to start cracking skulls.

I'm zero worried at this point, so far signups have been waaaay higher than I expected, and I've got a longer deadline than your buy.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:38:57
A couple of fun updates to share...

Alpine Winter is featured on KeyChatter! Thanks, livingspeedbump! Check it out (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/09/25/whats-clacking-hardwood-60-case-on-massdrop-along-with-104u-realforce-alpine-winter-alps-group-buy-and-more/).

Major milestone update: We have met or exceeded the 50% mark for all three MOQs! That means that in less than two days' time, we're already halfway there. We are also well past the halfway marks for all three spacebar add-on packs (60-80%), and the novelty pack has blown past MOQ at 144%.

Oh sure, your GB gets mentioned but mine doesn't.   >:D

Just kidding.  I'm already way post my MOQ and yours still needs a little love.   :p

But in all seriousness, if your GB doesn't pass I'm going to start cracking skulls.

I'm zero worried at this point, so far signups have been waaaay higher than I expected, and I've got a longer deadline than your buy.

I'm just razzing.  You have great stuff  here and I'm confident in it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Mililala on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:40:47
I have a little question about blanks.
All combinations of these colors sizes and rows has individual MOQ?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:42:39
I have a little question about blanks.
All combinations of these colors sizes and rows has individual MOQ?
Yes, 25 each. But I'm going to try really hard to see that they get made.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sun, 27 September 2015, 08:01:08
Could you do me a favor and make sure i added a novelty pack and a aek2 bar to my order?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sun, 27 September 2015, 08:22:41
Could you do me a favor and make sure i added a novelty pack and a aek2 bar to my order?
Yep, I have you down for both.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sun, 27 September 2015, 08:25:17
Could you do me a favor and make sure i added a novelty pack and a aek2 bar to my order?
Yep, I have you down for both.

Sweet! Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sun, 27 September 2015, 16:41:52
Guys, I'm super-excited to show off a pair of really awesome 3D renders from new Geekhack member thesiscamper:

(http://i.imgur.com/W2bDDRx.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/MUxBuoA.jpg)

You may have seen some of thesiscamper's work in his Joker/Eva IC thread. As soon as I saw his keyboard renders I knew I had to have some for Alpine Winter!

Be sure to view these renders full-size and check out the extreme detail. And if you need any 3D work done, I highly recommend him. He's friendly and courteous, and his prices are very fair.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: ideus on Sun, 27 September 2015, 16:45:27
Guys, I'm super-excited to show off a pair of really awesome 3D renders from new Geekhack member thesiscamper:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/W2bDDRx.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/MUxBuoA.jpg)


You may have seen some of thesiscamper's work in his Joker/Eva IC thread. As soon as I saw his keyboard renders I knew I had to have some for Alpine Winter!

Be sure to view these renders full-size and check out the extreme detail. And if you need any 3D work done, I highly recommend him. He's friendly and courteous, and his prices are very fair.

More real than the real thing.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 27 September 2015, 17:01:07
Those renders look great! I am definitely buying at least one set -- but I need to wait until October.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: sean on Sun, 27 September 2015, 21:28:59
Guys, I'm super-excited to show off a pair of really awesome 3D renders from new Geekhack member thesiscamper:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/W2bDDRx.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/MUxBuoA.jpg)


You may have seen some of thesiscamper's work in his Joker/Eva IC thread. As soon as I saw his keyboard renders I knew I had to have some for Alpine Winter!

Be sure to view these renders full-size and check out the extreme detail. And if you need any 3D work done, I highly recommend him. He's friendly and courteous, and his prices are very fair.

It looks so real I can almost touch them...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sun, 27 September 2015, 21:38:31
Guys, I'm super-excited to show off a pair of really awesome 3D renders from new Geekhack member thesiscamper:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/W2bDDRx.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/MUxBuoA.jpg)


You may have seen some of thesiscamper's work in his Joker/Eva IC thread. As soon as I saw his keyboard renders I knew I had to have some for Alpine Winter!

Be sure to view these renders full-size and check out the extreme detail. And if you need any 3D work done, I highly recommend him. He's friendly and courteous, and his prices are very fair.

It looks so real I can almost touch them...

I know! I'm getting antsy now.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: E3E on Sun, 27 September 2015, 21:49:00
Ahh those renders are too tasty!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Mon, 28 September 2015, 03:41:10
Phew! Finally got my order in! Those renders are making me giddier than a school girl!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: sth on Mon, 28 September 2015, 03:43:54
How thick are these? I'd be interested in them for casting purposes...

It's Signature Plastics DCS, so not very thick.

7-bit keeps threatening an SA-like Alps keycap buy. So watch for that in the 2020s!

Talk is cheap, especially coming from 7-bit..lol

7bit is slow but he releases :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 September 2015, 07:48:40
Phew! Finally got my order in! Those renders are making me giddier than a school girl!  ;D

I do not get the image. Do you have an animated gif to get it?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 28 September 2015, 08:27:52
@njbair: Which Alps mount will SP use as the standard for molding the keycap stems to fit Alps-mount switches? The reason I ask is that I ran into some issues fitting caps from some vintage boards into mounts on Matias switches. The caps would appear to fit, but in some cases the stem was slightly too large for the mount, which apparently caused enough expansion to cause the switch to bind.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Mon, 28 September 2015, 08:55:57
@njbair: Which Alps mount will SP use as the standard for molding the keycap stems to fit Alps-mount switches? The reason I ask is that I ran into some issues fitting caps from some vintage boards into mounts on Matias switches. The caps would appear to fit, but in some cases the stem was slightly too large for the mount, which apparently caused enough expansion to cause the switch to bind.
SP is not making any new tooling for this set, so fitment should be the same as their existing Alps caps. I have some DSA Alps PBTs from an Infinity kit and they are tight in Matias switches, but DSA are always tight since they were designed for industrial applications.

I've got Badwrench's mods coming in the mail this week, so I'll be able to try out DCS Alps caps on Matias switches. I'll get back to you then.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Mon, 28 September 2015, 11:26:06
@njbair: Which Alps mount will SP use as the standard for molding the keycap stems to fit Alps-mount switches? The reason I ask is that I ran into some issues fitting caps from some vintage boards into mounts on Matias switches. The caps would appear to fit, but in some cases the stem was slightly too large for the mount, which apparently caused enough expansion to cause the switch to bind.
SP is not making any new tooling for this set, so fitment should be the same as their existing Alps caps. I have some DSA Alps PBTs from an Infinity kit and they are tight in Matias switches, but DSA are always tight since they were designed for industrial applications.

I've got Badwrench's mods coming in the mail this week, so I'll be able to try out DCS Alps caps on Matias switches. I'll get back to you then.

I forgot, I actually bought an Alps keyboard from the classifieds last week, and it came with a DCS "GEEK HACK" keycap. It arrived this morning, and I was able to check the fitment with a Matias switch on my Infinity keyboard. I'd say it's just right; not to loose, not too tight.

Alps caps are a bit harder to remove in general versus MX. I find the best way to get them off is to rock them side to side while applying slight upward force. Using a long-handled key puller, this motion looks like moving from left to right over and over again on an Atari joystick, if that helps illustrate what I mean.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 28 September 2015, 12:33:02
Side to side rocking is a good way to break the cap stem.  It's harder, but a straight pull is what I recommend.  Only rock if you have to.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Badwrench on Mon, 28 September 2015, 14:04:41
@njbair: Which Alps mount will SP use as the standard for molding the keycap stems to fit Alps-mount switches? The reason I ask is that I ran into some issues fitting caps from some vintage boards into mounts on Matias switches. The caps would appear to fit, but in some cases the stem was slightly too large for the mount, which apparently caused enough expansion to cause the switch to bind.
SP is not making any new tooling for this set, so fitment should be the same as their existing Alps caps. I have some DSA Alps PBTs from an Infinity kit and they are tight in Matias switches, but DSA are always tight since they were designed for industrial applications.

I've got Badwrench's mods coming in the mail this week, so I'll be able to try out DCS Alps caps on Matias switches. I'll get back to you then.

I forgot, I actually bought an Alps keyboard from the classifieds last week, and it came with a DCS "GEEK HACK" keycap. It arrived this morning, and I was able to check the fitment with a Matias switch on my Infinity keyboard. I'd say it's just right; not to loose, not too tight.

Alps caps are a bit harder to remove in general versus MX. I find the best way to get them off is to rock them side to side while applying slight upward force. Using a long-handled key puller, this motion looks like moving from left to right over and over again on an Atari joystick, if that helps illustrate what I mean.
My recommendation is to take a spare switch or old board and mount each cap once.  It removes any flashing.  I found that after being mounted once and removed, the caps were much easier to mount and remove. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Mon, 28 September 2015, 17:47:18
Side to side rocking is a good way to break the cap stem.  It's harder, but a straight pull is what I recommend.  Only rock if you have to.
Listen to this guy not me.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: sean on Mon, 28 September 2015, 18:12:50
Side to side rocking is a good way to break the cap stem.  It's harder, but a straight pull is what I recommend.  Only rock if you have to.
Listen to this guy not me.

Too late, keyboard on fire.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 28 September 2015, 21:50:16
Gah. I am meant to be saving for a new PC rig but seeing as I already have an Infinity kit... in @ 50 MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 28 September 2015, 23:43:35
Just joined for a set + some sadsters.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: trees on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:01:48
In for this and the Alps Party 60% as my first ever GB  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 September 2015, 17:09:34
Orders have slowed down a bit after the weekend (as was expected), but we are looking good for 5 days into the buy. Were 84% of the way to 50 sets, and 66% of the way to 100!

The interest in ala carte blanks has been a little lower than I had expected...We've still got a long while until the buy closes on October 24, so hopefully the orders for blanks pick up so that everybody can get what they want. I'm working with Signature Plastics to figure out the best way to make that happen.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 29 September 2015, 17:12:00
I'm thinking the blanks are a bit lower because the base set does so much.

I'd buy some blanks, but since the base will support any layout I can imagine I'd want...I haven't.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: sean on Tue, 29 September 2015, 19:08:57
I'm thinking the blanks are a bit lower because the base set does so much.

I'd buy some blanks, but since the base will support any layout I can imagine I'd want...I haven't.
It's a first world problem, I presume.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:07:05
Orders have slowed down a bit after the weekend (as was expected), but we are looking good for 5 days into the buy. Were 84% of the way to 50 sets, and 66% of the way to 100!

The interest in ala carte blanks has been a little lower than I had expected...We've still got a long while until the buy closes on October 24, so hopefully the orders for blanks pick up so that everybody can get what they want. I'm working with Signature Plastics to figure out the best way to make that happen.

Kind of a shame there are no 2u keys, otherwise there could have been more interest in blanks from the Planck/Atomic crowd.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:28:42
Orders have slowed down a bit after the weekend (as was expected), but we are looking good for 5 days into the buy. Were 84% of the way to 50 sets, and 66% of the way to 100!

The interest in ala carte blanks has been a little lower than I had expected...We've still got a long while until the buy closes on October 24, so hopefully the orders for blanks pick up so that everybody can get what they want. I'm working with Signature Plastics to figure out the best way to make that happen.

Kind of a shame there are no 2u keys, otherwise there could have been more interest in blanks from the Planck/Atomic crowd.

Trouble is, each size/row/color combination is its own MOQ, so adding one keycap size is actually 8 more line items.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 September 2015, 22:46:02
I just received pricing info for blanks. MOQ is still 25 per key color/size/profile, and pricing is as follows:



Much cheaper than I had figured! So if you were on the fence about blanks, hopefully this will help you decide.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Hypersphere on Wed, 30 September 2015, 12:06:39
Just checking. If I sign up for the 50 MOQ and the 100 MOQ is reached, I would be charged for the 100 MOQ price -- correct?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 12:14:31
Just checking. If I sign up for the 50 MOQ and the 100 MOQ is reached, I would be charged for the 100 MOQ price -- correct?
Correct. Unless you want to pay me more!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: sean on Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:16:27
Hey njbair, I just submitted a new form for:
19 Blue 1U, Row 1
3 Blue 1U, Row 2
4 Blue 1U, Row 4

I hope that didn't complicate anything.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:09:22
Hey njbair, I just submitted a new form for:
19 Blue 1U, Row 1
3 Blue 1U, Row 2
4 Blue 1U, Row 4

I hope that didn't complicate anything.
No problem. I'll know to combine them. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: julayyy on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:12:10
This set looks amazing! I just need an alps keyboard now :(
Don't know if I want to get a v60 with matias keyswitches just yet but goodluck with this buy!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: olijuice on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:15:25
I just placed my order. Thank you for making this happen!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Jersern on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:34:38
I'm looking for just the AEK2 space bar kit so if anyone with an order wouldn't mind adding a kit on that would be amazing. (I'll pay for the spacebars and shipping to me of course)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:38:30
Of course I had to support this. Just put my order in and I'm excited for more custom Alps keycaps.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:39:11
Alps is life.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: sean on Wed, 30 September 2015, 23:31:39
In case anyone is wondering why I ordered 26 blanks (which is probably nobody), I plan on using the blanks to get full coverage on a TKL keyboard. It only costs $19 more and I could have saved a little more since the kit already comes with two row 4 1u blanks. Yes, I know this is supposed to be a 60% GB but I like to be creative. :D

I might order 8 row 1 grey blanks for the F1-F4 and F9-F12 keys to see if I like one looks over the other - but that depends on if njbair will hate me for submitting yet another order form.  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 23:48:57
In case anyone is wondering why I ordered 26 blanks (which is probably nobody), I plan on using the blanks to get full coverage on a TKL keyboard. It only costs $19 more and I could have saved a little more since the kit already comes with two row 4 1u blanks. Yes, I know this is supposed to be a 60% GB but I like to be creative. :D

I might order 8 row 1 grey blanks for the F1-F4 and F9-F12 keys to see if I like one looks over the other - but that depends on if njbair will hate me for submitting yet another order form.  :))
GB leaders generally don't hate people for spending more money.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 01 October 2015, 02:13:17
In case anyone is wondering why I ordered 26 blanks (which is probably nobody), I plan on using the blanks to get full coverage on a TKL keyboard. It only costs $19 more and I could have saved a little more since the kit already comes with two row 4 1u blanks. Yes, I know this is supposed to be a 60% GB but I like to be creative. :D

I might order 8 row 1 grey blanks for the F1-F4 and F9-F12 keys to see if I like one looks over the other - but that depends on if njbair will hate me for submitting yet another order form.  :))

I was actually wondering what poeple are going to be doing with all the blanks. I didn't realize you could specify the row you wanted. Even so, there are some sizes which aren't available, so I assume you are just going to use regular keys with legends for those.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: sean on Thu, 01 October 2015, 12:25:50
I was actually wondering what poeple are going to be doing with all the blanks. I didn't realize you could specify the row you wanted. Even so, there are some sizes which aren't available, so I assume you are just going to use regular keys with legends for those.
The escape, F keys, arrow keys, insert, delete, print screen, etc will all be blanks while the alphas and modifiers will be the regular keys from the gb. Actually now that I think about it I'll probably put a sadster on the escape key :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: luckynet on Thu, 01 October 2015, 22:11:34
if this were in SA it would make it the first of it's kind... which is kinda sweet as well :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 01 October 2015, 22:14:16
if this were in SA it would make it the first of it's kind... which is kinda sweet as well :)

If I remember correctly, SP does not have the SA + Alps tooling.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 22:14:26
if this were in SA it would make it the first of it's kind... which is kinda sweet as well :)

Does Signature Plastics do SA with Alps stems? I honestly don't know the answer to this.

Either way, this will be the first community-run group buy for a full set of Alps keycaps, so it's already the first of its kind.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 01 October 2015, 22:54:07
if this were in SA it would make it the first of it's kind... which is kinda sweet as well :)

Does Signature Plastics do SA with Alps stems? I honestly don't know the answer to this.

Either way, this will be the first community-run group buy for a full set of Alps keycaps, so it's already the first of its kind.

http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf ← it says that they have 36 mount options for SA keycaps, I would say that it is possible.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 01 October 2015, 23:03:11
Hmm. I would love to have a set of uniform Row 3 SA caps mounted on some clicky white Alps switches. I can't think of a better cap style for those crunchy whites.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 01 October 2015, 23:05:55
Hmm. I would love to have a set of uniform Row 3 SA caps mounted on some clicky white Alps switches. I can't think of a better cap style for those crunchy whites.

Alpine Blizzard!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 01 October 2015, 23:08:33
SA Alps? My body is ready!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: kennardsmith on Thu, 01 October 2015, 23:42:07
Hmm. I would love to have a set of uniform Row 3 SA caps mounted on some clicky white Alps switches. I can't think of a better cap style for those crunchy whites.

only made better with sculptured SA :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:50:56
Quick status update: We are now at 92% of the 50 MOQ, and 70% to 100 sets!

We're doing really well so far, but let's keep it up! Don't make me write a crazy hype post, you guys.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:52:32
We need some Elrick hype in here!  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: digi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:53:46
Quick status update: We are now at 92% of the 50 MOQ, and 70% to 100 sets!

We're doing really well so far, but let's keep it up! Don't make me write a crazy hype post, you guys.

Here is my hype:

Cherry is for noobs, Alps is for l33t's, buy this now to elevate your noob-ship.

(how'd I do??)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:54:13
Quick status update: We are now at 92% of the 50 MOQ, and 70% to 100 sets!

We're doing really well so far, but let's keep it up! Don't make me write a crazy hype post, you guys.

Here is my hype:

Cherry is for noobs, Alps is for l33t's, buy this now to elevate your noob-ship.

(how'd I do??)
Needs more CAPS
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: digi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:54:45
Quick status update: We are now at 92% of the 50 MOQ, and 70% to 100 sets!

We're doing really well so far, but let's keep it up! Don't make me write a crazy hype post, you guys.

Here is my hype:

Cherry is for noobs, Alps is for l33t's, buy this now to elevate your noob-ship.

(how'd I do??)
Needs more CAPS

We need Microsoft Windows then..
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:02:44
Quick status update: We are now at 92% of the 50 MOQ, and 70% to 100 sets!

We're doing really well so far, but let's keep it up! Don't make me write a crazy hype post, you guys.

Here is my hype:

Cherry is for noobs, Alps is for l33t's, buy this now to elevate your noob-ship.

(how'd I do??)
Needs more CAPS

We need Microsoft Windows then..

Do you realize what you're suggesting?

"They were desperate. And in their desperation they turned to a man they didn't fully understand."
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: digi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:11:19
Ok, I might have gone too far..

We need more artisan caps or something, that usually works.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: skullydazed on Fri, 02 October 2015, 15:46:23
if this were in SA it would make it the first of it's kind... which is kinda sweet as well :)

Does Signature Plastics do SA with Alps stems? I honestly don't know the answer to this.

Either way, this will be the first community-run group buy for a full set of Alps keycaps, so it's already the first of its kind.

http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf ← it says that they have 36 mount options for SA keycaps, I would say that it is possible.

Unfortunately one of those options is not Alps, I have already asked about that. The cost for making that tooling is pretty expensive, and their SA production line is booked up until March right now.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: scubaste on Fri, 02 October 2015, 16:25:51
In
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Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 16:30:46
There have been a few mentions of adding 2U blanks to this buy, and I was reluctant because that's a lot of extra MOQs (4 rows x 2 colors = 8 MOQs). But if I were to add just gray row 4 2U caps, would anyone else be interested in that? This would allow you to build a planck with a 2U spacebar.

Of course, if you've already ordered I can add this to your order.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 02 October 2015, 17:50:48
(http://i.imgur.com/OzJeJq4.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:05:21
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OzJeJq4.jpg)


Wow, that looks awesome! Thanks, man.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:16:09
Is there a way to order extra 6.2u space bars in grey?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:20:18
Is there a way to order extra 6.2u space bars in grey?

I didn't add that as an option because it's a standard size so not as hard to find as the others.

My advice is to hit up this thread and see if anyone who is planning on using this set with an Infinity or AEK layout is willing to sell you their 6.2U gray spacebar.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:24:46
Is there a way to order extra 6.2u space bars in grey?

I didn't add that as an option because it's a standard size so not as hard to find as the others.

My advice is to hit up this thread and see if anyone who is planning on using this set with an Infinity or AEK layout is willing to sell you their 6.2U gray spacebar.

Good call. :thumb:  I'll make a post when delivery time is closer.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:25:39
Is there a way to order extra 6.2u space bars in grey?

I didn't add that as an option because it's a standard size so not as hard to find as the others.

My advice is to hit up this thread and see if anyone who is planning on using this set with an Infinity or AEK layout is willing to sell you their 6.2U gray spacebar.

Good call. :thumb:  I'll make a post when delivery time is closer.
I can make a note to include someone else's spacebar with your order.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Mililala on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:34:30
There have been a few mentions of adding 2U blanks to this buy, and I was reluctant because that's a lot of extra MOQs (4 rows x 2 colors = 8 MOQs). But if I were to add just gray row 4 2U caps, would anyone else be interested in that? This would allow you to build a planck with a 2U spacebar.

Of course, if you've already ordered I can add this to your order.

I am not a planck user, but i want to stock a some 2u blanks for future project
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:38:31
There have been a few mentions of adding 2U blanks to this buy, and I was reluctant because that's a lot of extra MOQs (4 rows x 2 colors = 8 MOQs). But if I were to add just gray row 4 2U caps, would anyone else be interested in that? This would allow you to build a planck with a 2U spacebar.

Of course, if you've already ordered I can add this to your order.

I am not a planck user, but i want to stock a some 2u blanks for future project
So gray, row 4 only is okay?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Mililala on Fri, 02 October 2015, 18:59:37
There have been a few mentions of adding 2U blanks to this buy, and I was reluctant because that's a lot of extra MOQs (4 rows x 2 colors = 8 MOQs). But if I were to add just gray row 4 2U caps, would anyone else be interested in that? This would allow you to build a planck with a 2U spacebar.

Of course, if you've already ordered I can add this to your order.

I am not a planck user, but i want to stock a some 2u blanks for future project
So gray, row 4 only is okay?

Gray row 4 is ok, but also i'm interested in gray row 1 and blues in every row.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 19:01:44
There have been a few mentions of adding 2U blanks to this buy, and I was reluctant because that's a lot of extra MOQs (4 rows x 2 colors = 8 MOQs). But if I were to add just gray row 4 2U caps, would anyone else be interested in that? This would allow you to build a planck with a 2U spacebar.

Of course, if you've already ordered I can add this to your order.

I am not a planck user, but i want to stock a some 2u blanks for future project
So gray, row 4 only is okay?

Gray row 4 is ok, but also i'm interested in gray row 1 and blues in every row.
The problem is, each row and color has its own 25 MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: U47 on Fri, 02 October 2015, 22:45:10
There have been a few mentions of adding 2U blanks to this buy, and I was reluctant because that's a lot of extra MOQs (4 rows x 2 colors = 8 MOQs). But if I were to add just gray row 4 2U caps, would anyone else be interested in that? This would allow you to build a planck with a 2U spacebar.

Of course, if you've already ordered I can add this to your order.

I'd be interested in any 2u caps that are available.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 04 October 2015, 06:14:44
Hey Nick just wondering what you think the turnaround time for this keyset will be - I know SP is completely backup on SA keysets but I'm guessing DCS should be pretty normal wait times right?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:14:15
Hey Nick just wondering what you think the turnaround time for this keyset will be - I know SP is completely backup on SA keysets but I'm guessing DCS should be pretty normal wait times right?
DCS lead time was about six weeks at the time I posted the OP, I'm assuming it's still pretty close to that. Although that puts us right into the middle of the holidays, so there may be some delays here and there, depending on how long invoicing takes and how the seasonal shipping rush affects things.

My guess is you'll have the caps by mid-December.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:15:38
Hey Nick just wondering what you think the turnaround time for this keyset will be - I know SP is completely backup on SA keysets but I'm guessing DCS should be pretty normal wait times right?
DCS lead time was about six weeks at the time I posted the OP, I'm assuming it's still pretty close to that. Although that puts us right into the middle of the holidays, so there may be some delays here and there, depending on how long invoicing takes and how the seasonal shipping rush affects things.

My guess is you'll have the caps by mid-December.

Eek, I hope they get here in time for xmas, otherwise my plans turn to dust.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:31:11
Hey Nick just wondering what you think the turnaround time for this keyset will be - I know SP is completely backup on SA keysets but I'm guessing DCS should be pretty normal wait times right?
DCS lead time was about six weeks at the time I posted the OP, I'm assuming it's still pretty close to that. Although that puts us right into the middle of the holidays, so there may be some delays here and there, depending on how long invoicing takes and how the seasonal shipping rush affects things.

My guess is you'll have the caps by mid-December.

Eek, I hope they get here in time for xmas, otherwise my plans turn to dust.
So October 24 the buy closes. Figure invoicing takes about a week, that's Halloween, a Saturday, so the order goes in on Monday, November 2. Six weeks later is December 14, I should be able to get the caps out by the following Monday, the 21st.

That is a tight timeline. Depending on how things go with the MOQs, I may start invoicing during the last week of the buy just to speed things up. There will be some folks, I'm sure, who can't pay until the 1st or whatever. But if I get a good chunk of the funds in hand before then, I will place the order as soon as the buy is closed.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:40:55
Hey Nick just wondering what you think the turnaround time for this keyset will be - I know SP is completely backup on SA keysets but I'm guessing DCS should be pretty normal wait times right?
DCS lead time was about six weeks at the time I posted the OP, I'm assuming it's still pretty close to that. Although that puts us right into the middle of the holidays, so there may be some delays here and there, depending on how long invoicing takes and how the seasonal shipping rush affects things.

My guess is you'll have the caps by mid-December.

Eek, I hope they get here in time for xmas, otherwise my plans turn to dust.
So October 24 the buy closes. Figure invoicing takes about a week, that's Halloween, a Saturday, so the order goes in on Monday, November 2. Six weeks later is December 14, I should be able to get the caps out by the following Monday, the 21st.

That is a tight timeline. Depending on how things go with the MOQs, I may start invoicing during the last week of the buy just to speed things up. There will be some folks, I'm sure, who can't pay until the 1st or whatever. But if I get a good chunk of the funds in hand before then, I will place the order as soon as the buy is closed.

I have faith in you.  Godspeed!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 16:09:46
Guys, we're at 96% for the 50 MOQ, that means there are only two more spots to fill if you want a shot at those nubbinator caps!

We're also at 75% of the 100 MOQ, which is a great spot to be in with a few weeks left in the order window. I'm open to suggestions on how to help promote these caps. Please share your ideas!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 04 October 2015, 17:41:16
Guys, we're at 96% for the 50 MOQ, that means there are only two more spots to fill if you want a shot at those nubbinator caps!

We're also at 75% of the 100 MOQ, which is a great spot to be in with a few weeks left in the order window. I'm open to suggestions on how to help promote these caps. Please share your ideas!

I'm in

Can't wait to see these
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 18:18:43
So I just realized that neither nubbinator nor I are in the raffle for the nubs, so now with swimmingbird's order we are at 3 spots left instead of one. But we're only one order away from clutching the 50 MOQ!!!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:01:21
And we're at 50!

ALPINE WINTER IS GETTING MADE, GUYS
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: nickheller on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:06:11
And we're at 50!

ALPINE WINTER IS GETTING MADE, GUYS
Yay!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:07:21
Now it's time to figure out how to get from 77 to 100, and save us all some money.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:03:46
Now it's time to figure out how to get from 77 to 100, and save us all some money.

Should probably bump the Deskthority thread and re-post on reddit that the set has tipped  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:11:39
And we're at 50!

ALPINE WINTER IS GETTING MADE, GUYS

I just went from 6 to midnight :-*
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: sean on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:16:29
So,  I just put a form in for eight 1u gray, row 1 and one 2u gray, row 4. That should be the last from me.

I personally think we'll have no problem hitting 100; but, I would love to see it go way way higher!


And we're at 50!

ALPINE WINTER IS GETTING MADE, GUYS

I just went from 6 to midnight :-*

 :-X

............ :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: cheddarbek on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:35:44
Come on 100!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sun, 04 October 2015, 22:10:17
Now it's time to figure out how to get from 77 to 100, and save us all some money.

If 89 sets get ordered you can already order 100, the money would do it. But you would have 11 spare sets to deal with...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:16:39
I'm in for the base + GH addon + spacebar pack! Thanks for running the GB!

I was about to buy earlier but missed my chance at the first 50 MOQ raffle :X
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:37:50
Now it's time to figure out how to get from 77 to 100, and save us all some money.

If 89 sets get ordered you can already order 100, the money would do it. But you would have 11 spare sets to deal with...

Nope, if we hit 75 or 100, everyone's price goes down to the higher MOQ level.

I'm in for the base + GH addon + spacebar pack! Thanks for running the GB!

I was about to buy earlier but missed my chance at the first 50 MOQ raffle :X

Actually, two of those 50 are nubbinator and me, so there are actually still two spots left for the nubs raffle. Shoot me a PM if you want to change your order to the 50 mark and get one of the last two spots.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 05 October 2015, 00:49:58
Thanks, I PM'd you!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 05 October 2015, 07:03:03
Now it's time to figure out how to get from 77 to 100, and save us all some money.

If 89 sets get ordered you can already order 100, the money would do it. But you would have 11 spare sets to deal with...

Nope, if we hit 75 or 100, everyone's price goes down to the higher MOQ level.

I think what Vinny was saying is this:

100 sales @ $70 = $7,000
$7,000 / MOQ 75 ($79) = 88.6 ~= 89 main kits.

So as soon as you have over $7,000 worth of money from the main kit sales, you could buy it at the lowest price, no? Sorry if that is totally naive  :)


EDIT: missed some zeros when transcribing, the maths still checks out though... I think.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 07:31:06
Now it's time to figure out how to get from 77 to 100, and save us all some money.

If 89 sets get ordered you can already order 100, the money would do it. But you would have 11 spare sets to deal with...

Nope, if we hit 75 or 100, everyone's price goes down to the higher MOQ level.

I think what Vinny was saying is this:

100 sales @ $70 = $700
$700 / MOQ 75 ($79) = 88.6 ~= 89 main kits.

So as soon as you have over $700 worth of money from the main kit sales, you could buy it at the lowest price, no? Sorry if that is totally naive  :)
I'm not sure if that's what he meant, but you forgot a zero on that $7,000.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 05 October 2015, 07:35:38
I'm not sure if that's what he meant, but you forgot a zero on that $7,000.

Dang. I fixed that, thanks. I still think the maths works out though and it's the only way I can get to his number of 89  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 07:39:46
I'm not sure if that's what he meant, but you forgot a zero on that $7,000.

Dang. I fixed that, thanks. I still think the maths works out though and it's the only way I can get to his number of 89  :)
I'm not sure either. But right now the total to collect for base kits is less than $5K, even at the higher price point. He must have just gotten confused.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 05 October 2015, 07:55:33
I think what Vinny was saying is this:

100 sales @ $70 = $7,000
$7,000 / MOQ 75 ($79) = 88.6 ~= 89 main kits.

So as soon as you have over $7,000 worth of money from the main kit sales, you could buy it at the lowest price, no? Sorry if that is totally naive  :)


EDIT: missed some zeros when transcribing, the maths still checks out though... I think.

That's precisely what I meant, but now I see that I worded it in a pretty confuse way.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 05 October 2015, 13:23:29
Just sent out a PSA on reddit: https://redd.it/3nlqhl  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:58:00
Actually, two of those 50 are nubbinator and me, so there are actually still two spots left for the nubs raffle. Shoot me a PM if you want to change your order to the 50 mark and get one of the last two spots.

Ordered late last night at 50, did I manage to creep into that last spot ?  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:04:27
Actually, two of those 50 are nubbinator and me, so there are actually still two spots left for the nubs raffle. Shoot me a PM if you want to change your order to the 50 mark and get one of the last two spots.

Ordered late last night at 50, did I manage to creep into that last spot ?  ;D
Yep you're in the raffle!

You may have missed it, but I corrected myself because I accidentally counted Nubbinator and myself, and we don't count. So there is actually still one take spot left!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:17:23
Yep you're in the raffle!

 :thumb: Excellent. I never win anything but I'm a big believer in competing :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:10:58
Just sent out a PSA on reddit: https://redd.it/3nlqhl  :thumb:

Thanks for doing this! I had intended to get a new post up on there featuring those renders. I've just been busy this weekend with family stuff.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: sean on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:15:49
80% to 100 MOQ!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:42:58
Finally bought in.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:54:34
Finally bought in.  :thumb:
And with that, the Nubbinator raffle is closed!

I'm not sure how I'm going to announce winners, but it definitely won't be before invoicing. I'm open to your suggestions!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 06 October 2015, 12:01:11
Finally bought in.  :thumb:
And with that, the Nubbinator raffle is closed!

I'm not sure how I'm going to announce winners, but it definitely won't be before invoicing. I'm open to your suggestions!

A fight to the death with keyboards as weapons?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 06 October 2015, 12:08:28
Finally bought in.  :thumb:
And with that, the Nubbinator raffle is closed!

I'm not sure how I'm going to announce winners, but it definitely won't be before invoicing. I'm open to your suggestions!

Wait, did I make it in the raffle?  I assumed it was closed.  :O
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 October 2015, 12:09:18
Finally bought in.  :thumb:
And with that, the Nubbinator raffle is closed!

I'm not sure how I'm going to announce winners, but it definitely won't be before invoicing. I'm open to your suggestions!

Wait, did I make it in the raffle?  I assumed it was closed.  :O

Well, nubbinator and I don't count, and you're #52, so yes you're in.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 06 October 2015, 12:10:05
Finally bought in.  :thumb:
And with that, the Nubbinator raffle is closed!

I'm not sure how I'm going to announce winners, but it definitely won't be before invoicing. I'm open to your suggestions!

Wait, did I make it in the raffle?  I assumed it was closed.  :O

Well, nubbinator and I don't count, and you're #52, so yes you're in.

Yay! I read you previous comment about that, but still assumed it had since filled up.  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Tyr on Tue, 06 October 2015, 16:41:31
I'm not sure how I'm going to announce winners, but it definitely won't be before invoicing. I'm open to your suggestions!

Paste list of names into randomizer (https://www.random.org/lists/)
Randomize
Post screenshot, saying first x on the list have won.

Quick and easy.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 06 October 2015, 17:04:34
I'm not sure how I'm going to announce winners, but it definitely won't be before invoicing. I'm open to your suggestions!

Paste list of names into randomizer (https://www.random.org/lists/)
Randomize
Post screenshot, saying first x on the list have won.

Quick and easy.

I think he means the actual announcement.  He said it won't be before invoicing, so you won't be able to back out after you find out you didn't win, but he's not sure how to do it.  Just post a list on the forum like you said, send out letters in the mail announcing, or have a parade with fireworks, etc.

(assuming I'm interpreting both your message correctly :)) )
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Tyr on Tue, 06 October 2015, 17:11:47
I think he means the actual announcement.  He said it won't be before invoicing, so you won't be able to back out after you find out you didn't win, but he's not sure how to do it.  Just post a list on the forum like you said, send out letters in the mail announcing, or have a parade with fireworks, etc.

(assuming I'm interpreting both your message correctly :)) )

Yeah. I'd just post the list, but I'm a simple man and easily pleased  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 October 2015, 17:38:29
Hoff is right. I meant the nature of the announcement. Some folks might prefer a surprise when they open their box. I kind of like that idea myself.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 06 October 2015, 18:29:09
Hoff is right. I meant the nature of the announcement. Some folks might prefer a surprise when they open their box. I kind of like that idea myself.

I definitely think it'd be cooler for it to be a surprise someone sees upon opening their package. ie, not knowing until then.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:08:55
Agreed
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:08:51
As of this morning we're at 86 base kits committed out of 100. We only need 14 more base kits and the price drops down to $70!

We also hit 100% for the blue spacebars, and we're 2 away from the AEKII spacebar MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:09:39
How close are we to the 75 mark?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:10:38
How close are we to the 75 mark?

15 orders.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:45:00
How close are we to the 75 mark?

15 orders.

And we're only 14 orders from 100, so we tip to 100 before 75. So order more, alps lovers!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Zealousy on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:50:44
I like the idea of people getting their bonuses blindly out of the box. It becomes sort of a Willy Wonka Golden Ticket feeling.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:52:26
Also, I don't think I announced it officially, but I did end up adding 2U row 4 gray blanks to the list. So if you've already ordered but want a spacebar for your Alps Planck, or maybe some modifiers for your Ergodox, PM me and I'll add them to your order.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 October 2015, 11:55:32
I don't get how we're closer to 100 than 75... That's gotta be some advanced level math.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Tyr on Thu, 08 October 2015, 12:01:55
I don't get how we're closer to 100 than 75... That's gotta be some advanced level math.

It's very easy: more people have committed to join at the 100-level price than at the 75-level price. So once it gets to 100 - that number it tips.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 October 2015, 12:05:04
Nope... Not getting it... But it doesn't matter, I'm used to it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: Tyr on Thu, 08 October 2015, 12:14:07
Nope... Not getting it... But it doesn't matter, I'm used to it.

Ok so 53 people so far are joining no matter what, 7 people will join at 75-level but 26 will join at 100-level. Since 100-level is cheaper than 75-level, all people who will join at 75 would also join at 100, so that's 33 people total who would join at 100-level price. So if you do the math 100-33=67. So if 14 more people join (67-53) then the reserve of people waiting to join at the lowest price mean we reach 100 total. For 75 we would need 15 (75 to reach - 7 committed - 53 committed at 50).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 12:19:09
So here are the actual numbers:

26 people are willing to pay up to $70 (100 MOQ)
7 more people are willing to pay up to $79 (75 MOQ)
53 more people are willing to pay up to $94 (50 MOQ)

If you are willing to pay $94, you're also willing to pay less. Likewise, if you're willing to pay $79, you're also willing to pay less.

53 + 7 = 60 people willing to buy at the 75 MOQ, leaving us 15 short.
53 + 7 + 26 = 86 people willing to buy at the 100 MOQ, leaving us 14 short.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 October 2015, 12:39:48
OK, I got it now. I didn't consider that the numbers for 75 were so low.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 12:45:51
OK, I got it now. I didn't consider that the numbers for 75 were so low.

I figure there are mostly two types of people here: the people who say, "I want these caps to happen no matter what the cost," and the people who say, "these are cool, I'd like a set but I'm not willing to spend that much." There's not a lot of middle ground in there.

I also had the nubs raffle, which probably pushed some 75 MOQ people over the edge to the 50 MOQ (which was kind of the point).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 October 2015, 13:01:11
Well, now that we know the caps are being made the thresholds don't matter as much.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 13:06:07
Well, now that we know the caps are being made the thresholds don't matter as much.
They still matter. Because right now only 54 sets are guaranteed to be made. The 75 and 100 people still need 15 or so more people to join before they'll get their caps. So if you're joining at this point you need to evaluate how badly you want these. If you don't want to risk your caps on 14 other people's decisions, you still have to join at 50 and just hope that the price makes it down to $70 by the end.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 08 October 2015, 13:42:21
There is also the group that says "I'd be willing to pay $79 or less for a set, but not $94." :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 13:45:57
There is also the group that says "I'd be willing to pay $79 or less for a set, but not $94." :)

AKA the "JDCarpe and this one dude from Reddit" group.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:38:54
Also, I don't think I announced it officially, but I did end up adding 2U row 4 gray blanks to the list. So if you've already ordered but want a spacebar for your Alps Planck, or maybe some modifiers for your Ergodox, PM me and I'll add them to your order.

Might want to update the OP with that and put a price on the 2u keys  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: StormyMonday on Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:41:02
I want a set, so I just jumped in at the deep end ... but I'm perfectly willing to spend less!  :p

Come on in, everyone. The water is fine!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps (UPDATED BLANKS PRICING)
Post by: shoostep on Fri, 09 October 2015, 02:40:22
I think what Vinny was saying is this:

100 sales @ $70 = $7,000
$7,000 / MOQ 75 ($79) = 88.6 ~= 89 main kits.

So as soon as you have over $7,000 worth of money from the main kit sales, you could buy it at the lowest price, no? Sorry if that is totally naive  :)


EDIT: missed some zeros when transcribing, the maths still checks out though... I think.

That's precisely what I meant, but now I see that I worded it in a pretty confuse way.


I think the confusion above comes from the statement that: $7,000 / MOQ 75 ($79) = 88.6 ~= 89 main kits (because there are only 62 people cumulative in the $79 tier).

Edit: removed controversial math.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 09 October 2015, 08:51:17
Are you seriously asking the highest price tier people to subsidize the costs so that those unwilling to pay more don't have to?  I want this set to happen, but that just establishes a ****ed up precedent.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:05:02
Are you seriously asking the highest price tier people to subsidize the costs so that those unwilling to pay more don't have to?  I want this set to happen, but that just establishes a ****ed up precedent.

Yeah, that's no good to me. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:05:59
Are you seriously asking the highest price tier people to subsidize the costs so that those unwilling to pay more don't have to?  I want this set to happen, but that just establishes a ****ed up precedent.

Prisoner's Dilemma, Group Buy Edition!

And as someone in the 50 and the 75, yeah no not cool...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:09:21
Not going to happen. Even if the buy stalls at 99 units, the 50 MOQ folks will get their kits. I might ask the $70 people to pay $71 if they want their sets, but I wouldn't ask that of the people already committed at the highest price.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:26:15
Ok I'm confused. Is the structure not like a Massdrop buy where the pricing changes depending on who joins and when things tip? Or am I locked in at the $94/set?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:27:24
Ok I'm confused. Is the structure not like a Massdrop buy where the pricing changes depending on who joins and when things tip? Or am I locked in at the $94/set?

It's like massdrop with an extra middle commit tier. 

Shoostep was talking about something very different.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:35:13
Can someone please clarify that once the quantity ordered reaches the next price bracket that everybody who is purchasing gets the same price?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:39:01
Can someone please clarify that once the quantity ordered reaches the next price bracket that everybody who is purchasing gets the same price?

I'm sure njbair'll chime in when he can, but I clarified with him right after the GB launched, and he explained that everyone gets the same price once we hit the next tier.

He simply added the tiers to allow people to commit at the price they felt comfortable with rather than have dozens of people waiting until we hit that tier to commit. As you can see from the spreadsheet, I definitely think it has worked.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:43:30
Can someone please clarify that once the quantity ordered reaches the next price bracket that everybody who is purchasing gets the same price?

Yes, if the 100 MOQ tier is reached, everyone who ordered at 75 MOQ and 50 MOQ prices will get those sets at the lowest price.

I ordered once set at 75 MOQ and one set at 100 MOQ. So, if the 100 MOQ is reached, I am ordering two sets total at the 100 MOQ price. If only the 75 MOQ tier is reached, I am ordering only one set at the 75 MOQ price.

As of right now, all we need are 12 more orders at the lowest price ($70) to make the MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:46:46
OFFICIAL STATEMENT: Everybody pays the lowest price depending on the MOQ we hit. So if you committed at $94 but we reach 100 sets, you only pay $70.

This is just like any other group buy in that sense. I'm not sure where the other ideas came from but it's just making things confusing so let's put it to rest.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:52:03
Thanks for clearing it up - I was just reading through Hoff and Nubb's posts and got a bit confused
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:53:23
Thanks for clearing it up - I was just reading through Hoff and Nubb's posts and got a bit confused

Yup...Posts 184, 188-190 were confusing. Thanks njbair.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:09:53
PSA: anyone who wants to pay extra, I'll talk to nubbinator about getting some of those Hoff Noodz for you.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:15:32
To anyone who is in for one set at 50 MOQ ($94): please consider adding a second set at 100 MOQ ($70)?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:15:57
PSA: anyone who wants to pay extra, I'll talk to nubbinator about getting some of those Hoff Noodz for you.

At first I thought you were talking about some special run nubbinator-made caps that were named Noodz.  Then I realized you were talking about something much better.

EDIT:  Above should be interpreted as praise for Hoff, not a negative statement on nubbinator's caps.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:19:18
To anyone who is in for one set at 50 MOQ ($94): please consider adding a second set at 100 MOQ ($70)?

I (obviously) like this idea.

If you buy a 2nd set at $70 and we tip, you pay $46 more for twice the caps. You can then go and sell them in the classifieds for less than the group buy price if you wanted to, and break even.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:31:46
Thanks for clearing it up - I was just reading through Hoff and Nubb's posts and got a bit confused

Yup...Posts 184, 188-190 were confusing. Thanks njbair.

Yeah sorry about that.  I was basically just saying "no, that doesn't make sense and is not how this will be done."

What's the going rate for noodz?  I have an infinite supply.  :3
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: trees on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:33:51
To anyone who is in for one set at 50 MOQ ($94): please consider adding a second set at 100 MOQ ($70)?

I literally just said this in IRC, i think its a good idea.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:40:34
Thanks for clearing it up - I was just reading through Hoff and Nubb's posts and got a bit confused

Yup...Posts 184, 188-190 were confusing. Thanks njbair.

Yeah sorry about that.  I was basically just saying "no, that doesn't make sense and is not how this will be done."

What's the going rate for noodz?  I have an infinite supply.  :3

Good, because the demand is somewhere in between zero and infinity.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Tyr on Fri, 09 October 2015, 12:07:16
OFFICIAL STATEMENT: Everybody pays the lowest price depending on the MOQ we hit. So if you committed at $94 but we reach 100 sets, you only pay $70.

This is just like any other group buy in that sense. I'm not sure where the other ideas came from but it's just making things confusing so let's put it to rest.

It makes economic sense, it's basically price slicing, people would be charged depending on what they would be willing to pay. However, i feels like it should be wrong when it is this blatant, so people wouldn't go along with it.

Someone should send this in to the "freakonomics" podcast, if they haven't done a podcast on that behaviour yet.

To anyone who is in for one set at 50 MOQ ($94): please consider adding a second set at 100 MOQ ($70)?

I have also thought of doing this, but I will wait for the inevitable late minute rush first.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 09 October 2015, 12:12:40
Inverse supply and demand. If the demand is high the price goes down.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: E3E on Fri, 09 October 2015, 12:28:13
I'm already in at two sets (have been before the 50 MQO was even reached) plus a bunch of blankets er blanks. If I was straight ballin' I'd buy another, but I can't right now. D:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 09 October 2015, 12:59:11
I have also thought of doing this, but I will wait for the inevitable late minute rush first.

But if everyone waits for the last minute rush... then there is no last minute rush.

If you feeling like going in for another set at 100MOQ, do it straight away! I'm going to assess my finances this evening and decided.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: trees on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:05:44
I have also thought of doing this, but I will wait for the inevitable late minute rush first.

But if everyone waits for the last minute rush... then there is no last minute rush.

If you feeling like going in for another set at 100MOQ, do it straight away! I'm going to assess my finances this evening and decided.

I've already done it, and i encourage all to do it!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:10:37
I just feel like this needs to be said...

I don't want anyone going in on this set for more than they ought to. There is still a lot of time left on this buy. Let's remember that these are, after all, just keycaps.

I've also got a couple of irons in the fire, pretty cool stuff that I can't talk about right now, but suffice it to say that I'm not worried about MOQ at this point, and nor should you be. I believe we'll hit 100 sets one way or another. So please, please don't do anything financially irresponsible for the sake of a few pieces of plastic.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Tyr on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:11:23
But if everyone waits for the last minute rush... then there is no last minute rush.

Yes there will be. You can always depend on the procrastinators... eventually.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: shoostep on Fri, 09 October 2015, 16:06:30
My bad for derailing the thread and probably confusing people.  :(

I didn't intend to suggest that we, the 50 MOQ group, should subsidize another tier.  I understand that would not be fair.

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 09 October 2015, 18:45:19
I'm happy just to be in the 50 MOQ tier. It's a fair price to pay for the FIRST community driven alps keycap buy.

Mind you, I don't feel a need to order 2 sets of Alpine Winter, but I do sincerely hope that this will result in more community alps buys.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 09 October 2015, 18:57:29
I'm happy just to be in the 50 MOQ tier. It's a fair price to pay for the SECOND community driven alps keycap buy.

Mind you, I don't feel a need to order 2 sets of Alpine Winter, but I do sincerely hope that this will result in more community alps buys.

Corrected it since it's the second real Alps buy, the first for a full set though.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Fri, 09 October 2015, 19:18:28
I'm happy just to be in the 50 MOQ tier. It's a fair price to pay for the SECOND community driven alps keycap buy.

Mind you, I don't feel a need to order 2 sets of Alpine Winter, but I do sincerely hope that this will result in more community alps buys.

Corrected it since it's the second real Alps buy, the first for a full set though.
Word. Alpine Winter wouldn't be a thing without Badwrench.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: E3E on Fri, 09 October 2015, 20:20:51
 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Badwrench is the man! I'm glad Alps is finally gaining enough momentum to have cap sets reach MQO!

I'm happy just to be in the 50 MOQ tier. It's a fair price to pay for the SECOND community driven alps keycap buy.

Mind you, I don't feel a need to order 2 sets of Alpine Winter, but I do sincerely hope that this will result in more community alps buys.

Corrected it since it's the second real Alps buy, the first for a full set though.
Word. Alpine Winter wouldn't be a thing without Badwrench.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 11 October 2015, 12:33:51
Whats the best way to add something, seeing as I already submitted the form once? Already feeling the regret of not stocking up on spacebars  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sun, 11 October 2015, 12:38:34
Whats the best way to add something, seeing as I already submitted the form once? Already feeling the regret of not stocking up on spacebars  :)
Just PM me. I'll update your order.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 11 October 2015, 12:55:29
Can I get a shipping estimate to bc Canada for the novelty caps?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 11 October 2015, 22:05:19
I was thinking up a reason to buy blanks, but now I can't remember what my plan was.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: njbair on Sun, 11 October 2015, 22:06:25
I was thinking up a reason to buy blanks, but now I can't remember what my plan was.
I'm buying blanks for a possible future Planck build.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 12 October 2015, 09:42:57
The base set should be able to fit the HHKB layout, correct? I think I was thinking I might need some blanks for that.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 12 October 2015, 09:56:55
Yes. The proper HHKB layout differs from a standard 60% in:
 - split Backspace (plenty of 1u caps provided for that place)
 - Backspace instead of \| (is provided)
 - split right Shift (both 1.75u Shift and 1u Fn provided)
 - bottom row 1u - 1.5u - 6u or 7u spacebar - 1.5u - 1u (all those caps are provided)
 - Control instead of Caps Lock (provided)

The only thing is if you are on a Mac, the 1.5u bottom row keys are "Command", and there are no such caps, so either get blanks or live with "Alt" written there ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 12 October 2015, 13:48:11
I'm strictly a PC user, so that should all work for me.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: njbair on Mon, 12 October 2015, 14:22:46
Happy Monday!

In case you missed the news this weekend, I'm pleased to announce that Alpine Winter now supports the Monarch 60% + LHTK Custom (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75786.0), via an exclusive blank numpad adapter!

(http://i.imgur.com/ZTKZTpt.png)

The numpad blanks kit costs $16, and you can order it through koalapear. Remember, this kit is exclusive for Monarch buyers, as a strict condition of the individual who is making this possible.

To save on shipping, I will be sending all numpad adapter kits directly to koalapear, who will include them with your Monarch kit. Koalapear will notify me when you order a kit and I will invoice you directly once the Alpine Winter buy closes.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 12 October 2015, 14:26:07
Ah, Synergy...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: sean on Mon, 12 October 2015, 15:16:42
That numpad is awesome! Too bad we're stuck at 88 orders though...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: Ptomerty on Wed, 14 October 2015, 06:52:06
Hey, any plans for a 1.75x blank or fn key?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: njbair on Wed, 14 October 2015, 06:54:00
Hey, any plans for a 1.75x blank or fn key?
Nope. Haven't had any interest in one. What layout are you thinking of?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: Ptomerty on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:19:59
Hey, any plans for a 1.75x blank or fn key?
Nope. Haven't had any interest in one. What layout are you thinking of?

standard ansi, but i replaced the caps lock key on my v60 with fn.

also, since i rarely use/check geekhack, would it be better to put my reddit username in the gb form?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: njbair on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:21:49
Hey, any plans for a 1.75x blank or fn key?
Nope. Haven't had any interest in one. What layout are you thinking of?

standard ansi, but i replaced the caps lock key on my v60 with fn.

also, since i rarely use/check geekhack, would it be better to put my reddit username in the gb form?
Username is up to you. It's mainly in case I need to PM you, so whatever is the best way to do that.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: Ptomerty on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:32:45
Username is up to you. It's mainly in case I need to PM you, so whatever is the best way to do that.

thanks! will probably place an order soon!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: Ptomerty on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:29:23
so triple checking, only 1.75x keys are ctrl, bs, and shift?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: njbair on Wed, 14 October 2015, 20:36:26
so triple checking, only 1.75x keys are ctrl, bs, and shift?
Ctrl, Caps and Shift. There's no 1.75 backspace. And BTW, the 1.75 Shift is in a different row profile than the Caps Lock key.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: Ptomerty on Wed, 14 October 2015, 21:05:48
so triple checking, only 1.75x keys are ctrl, bs, and shift?
Ctrl, Caps and Shift. There's no 1.75 backspace. And BTW, the 1.75 Shift is in a different row profile than the Caps Lock key.

Daaaaamn. Guess i'll just be getting modifiers somewhere else then :(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: njbair on Wed, 14 October 2015, 21:16:40
so triple checking, only 1.75x keys are ctrl, bs, and shift?
Ctrl, Caps and Shift. There's no 1.75 backspace. And BTW, the 1.75 Shift is in a different row profile than the Caps Lock key.

Daaaaamn. Guess i'll just be getting modifiers somewhere else then :(
If you find a good source for obscure Alps mods, be sure to share it with the rest of us!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: Ptomerty on Thu, 15 October 2015, 19:01:35
If you find a good source for obscure Alps mods, be sure to share it with the rest of us!

more like i'll be buying only blanks and then sourcing other pieces from mechmarket later... my wallet simply cannot handle this :(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: njbair on Thu, 15 October 2015, 19:45:37
If you find a good source for obscure Alps mods, be sure to share it with the rest of us!

more like i'll be buying only blanks and then sourcing other pieces from mechmarket later... my wallet simply cannot handle this :(
FYI blanks and other extras are strictly sold as add-ons (except the Geekhack novelties).

Edit: never mind... I forgot my own rules there for a sec.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: sean on Thu, 15 October 2015, 21:06:34
We only need 12 more... Anybody have rich family members?  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Fri, 16 October 2015, 18:31:24
We only need 12 more... Anybody have rich family members?  :))

I wish I even had family members who were into keyboards :P
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: njbair on Fri, 16 October 2015, 19:15:16
Don't worry, everyone. I've got an announcement to make this weekend. Hang tight!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: braidn on Fri, 16 October 2015, 22:20:14
* edge of seat...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps, NOW WITH MONARCH SUPPORT!!!
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 17 October 2015, 08:54:27
Don't worry, everyone. I've got an announcement to make this weekend. Hang tight!

I come back from vacation and this gets me all excited.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:01:54
Awesome news, Alps fans. Thanks to a big order from a reseller, we're all set to tip the 100 MOQ!

I can't give any details at this time (per the reseller's request), but the order is for 15 sets, which as of this writing puts us at 105 base kits sold!

I'll be updating the order form shortly, but rest assured this is a committed order.

We did it, guys! 100 Alps keycap sets! Woohoo!!!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: jbondeson on Sat, 17 October 2015, 09:16:43
Awww yeah! Alps is love!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:16:09
Awesome news, Alps fans. Thanks to a big order from a reseller, we're all set to tip the 100 MOQ!

I can't give any details at this time (per the reseller's request), but the order is for 15 sets, which as of this writing puts us at 105 base kits sold!

I'll be updating the order form shortly, but rest assured this is a committed order.

We did it, guys! 100 Alps keycap sets! Woohoo!!!

Great to hear!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: sean on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:16:59
Awesome news, Alps fans. Thanks to a big order from a reseller, we're all set to tip the 100 MOQ!

I can't give any details at this time (per the reseller's request), but the order is for 15 sets, which as of this writing puts us at 105 base kits sold!

I'll be updating the order form shortly, but rest assured this is a committed order.

We did it, guys! 100 Alps keycap sets! Woohoo!!!

No waaaaay! Thanks reseller dude!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: E3E on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:24:42
Awesome news, Alps fans. Thanks to a big order from a reseller, we're all set to tip the 100 MOQ!

I can't give any details at this time (per the reseller's request), but the order is for 15 sets, which as of this writing puts us at 105 base kits sold!

I'll be updating the order form shortly, but rest assured this is a committed order.

We did it, guys! 100 Alps keycap sets! Woohoo!!!

Holy smokes! Thanks reseller man!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:32:37
My guess is one of the smaller ones. Not OLKB or MK, but something like TechKeys or Feng...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:36:55
My guess is one of the smaller ones. Not OLKB or MK, but something like TechKeys or Feng...
Speculate away. I guarantee nobody will guess.

BTW I won't comment any further, since it's simply not my place to disclose anything.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:41:20
I'm just bored literally waiting for paint to dry so I can do another layer.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:42:35
I'm just bored literally waiting for paint to dry so I can do another layer.
Do you have your furnace fan running? That helps a lot.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:45:16
Sort of. A hot air pump, no idea what it's called in English. It's a sort of aircon.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 17 October 2015, 10:46:45
Sort of. A hot air pump, no idea what it's called in English. It's a sort of aircon.
Heat pump? (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 17 October 2015, 11:02:01
That's eight. Ironically that is exactly what we call them as well, so I over explained.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:25:04
Good to hear njbair!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: E3E on Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:46:45
Sort of. A hot air pump, no idea what it's called in English. It's a sort of aircon.

What are you painting? :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:52:11
Praise be to Alps jesus!  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 17 October 2015, 19:03:25
Now it's time for us all to join the Monarch buy.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 19:48:22
Now it's time for us all to join the Monarch buy.

Now if i had the $$ for that lol
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: E3E on Sat, 17 October 2015, 21:04:33
I'd totally go for the Monarch, but I've got a lot invested in another Alps build that unfortunately isn't compatible with the components of the Alps Party GB, so it's something I'm sinking a lot of funds into. :C
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 17 October 2015, 21:48:28
Excellent news about the MOQ!!  :D  I wasn't particularly looking forward to the price at the lower MOQs, despite still being committed ( :thumb: ), so this is very welcome news.  :)

Also, moar Alps for everyone!  Yeeeeeee!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 17 October 2015, 21:54:44
Excellent news about the MOQ!!  :D  I wasn't particularly looking forward to the price at the lower MOQs, despite still being committed ( :thumb: ), so this is very welcome news.  :)

Also, moar Alps for everyone!  Yeeeeeee!
Indeed. Although many of us who were committed are both the lower and higher tiers, are now officially spending more.

I was on the fence about whether to announce this at this point. Part of me really wanted to see whether this buy would tip 100 apart from the large order, and I didn't want the announcement to influence that. But I could tell a lot of folks were getting antsy so it just seemed like the right thing to do.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: Zealousy on Sat, 17 October 2015, 21:55:02
Fantastic news! But we can do better! Let's keep this ALPS party going!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 17 October 2015, 22:18:21
Fantastic news! But we can do better! Let's keep this ALPS party going!

Agreed. I'm personally eager to see some folks get creative with the blanks offerings. I worked out an ErgoDox layout for someone based on what's already available, but I'm not sure about the best row profiles to use for some of the weird keys:

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/a1e7c87848951f52ec00

Any ErgoDox users want to chime in? Specifically, I'm wondering which profiles to use for the vertical 1.5U keys along the centers, and for the keys in the thumb clusters. The only 2U option for Alpine Winter is R4 Gray, so that decision is made for us.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 17 October 2015, 22:31:19
Dumb, repetitive question time.  How do I check my order?  I'm not sure if I ordered space bars.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 17 October 2015, 22:33:14
Dumb, repetitive question time.  How do I check my order?  I'm not sure if I ordered space bars.
Just PM me with what you want and I'll either confirm you ordered it, or add it to your order.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sun, 18 October 2015, 02:56:14
Might be a good idea to throw up some ideas for what can be done with blanks. It might just push people to get some.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: eeymiel on Sun, 18 October 2015, 07:15:33
You can make something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/wDLMHGp.png)

Alpine winter set +
8 TGL R1 blanks + 5 BGA R1 blanks (for function keys) +
3 BGA R1 blanks + 3 TGL R1 blanks + 3 TGL R2 blanks + 1 BGA R4 blank + 3 BGA R4 blanks (for the TKL part) +
4 TGL R1 blanks (extra multimedia keys) +
4 BGA R1 blanks + 3 TGL R2 blanks + 3 TGL R3 blanks + 3 TGL R4 blanks + 1 TGL R4 blank + 3 2u TGL R4 blanks (for numpad)

TOTAL: alpine winter +
15 TGL R1 blanks +
12 BGA R1 blanks +
6 TGL R2 blanks +
3 TGL R3 blanks +
4 BGA R4 blanks +
4 TGL R4 blanks +
2 2u TGL R4 blanks.

The plus key on numpad will be wrong profile :( But I guess you can split the plus key in two 1u keys.

Here's the keyboard layout editor link (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_name=Alpine%20Winter%20ANSI%20full%20set%20108%20key&notes=Alpine%20winter%20set%20+%0A8%20TGL%20R1%20blanks%20+%205%20BGA%20R1%20blanks%20(for%20function%20keys)%20+%0A3%20BGA%20R1%20blanks%20+%203%20TGL%20R1%20blanks%20+%203%20TGL%20R2%20blanks%20+%201%20BGA%20R4%20blank%20+%203%20BGA%20R4%20blanks%20(for%20the%20TKL%20part)%20+%0A4%20TGL%20R1%20blanks%20(extra%20multimedia%20keys)%20+%0A4%20BGA%20R1%20blanks%20+%203%20TGL%20R2%20blanks%20+%203%20TGL%20R3%20blanks%20+%203%20TGL%20R4%20blanks%20+%201%20TGL%20R4%20blank%20+%203%202u%20TGL%20R4%20blanks%20(for%20numpad)%0A%0ATOTAL/:%20alpine%20winter%20+%20%0A15%20TGL%20R1%20blanks%20+%0A12%20BGA%20R1%20blanks%20+%0A6%20TGL%20R2%20blanks%20+%0A3%20TGL%20R3%20blanks%20+%0A4%20BGA%20R4%20blanks%20+%0A4%20TGL%20R4%20blanks%20+%0A2%202u%20TGL%20R4%20blanks.%0A%0AThe%20plus%20key%20on%20numpad%20will%20be%20wrong%20profile%20/:(%0A&switchMount=alps;&@_c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1&a:7;&=&_x:1&c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d;&=&=&=&=&_x:0.5&c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1;&=&=&=&=&_x:0.5&c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d;&=&=&=&=&_x:0.25&c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1;&=&=&=&_x:0.25&c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d;&=&=&=&=;&@_y:0.5&c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1&a:4;&=Esc&_c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d;&=!%0A1&=/@%0A2&=#%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=/&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=/_%0A-&=+%0A/=&=~%0A%60&_c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1;&=%3C-&_x:0.25&c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d&a:7;&=&=&=&_x:0.25&c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1;&=&=&=&=;&@_a:4&w:1.5;&=Tab&_c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d;&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5;&=%7C%0A%5C&_x:0.25&a:7;&=&=&=&_x:0.25;&=&=&=&_h:2;&=;&@_c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1&a:4&w:1.75;&=Caps%20Lock&_c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d;&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=/:%0A/;&=%22%0A%27&_c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1&w:2.25;&=Enter&_x:3.5&c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d&a:7;&=&=&=;&@_c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1&a:4&w:2.25;&=Shift&_c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d;&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=?%0A//&_c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1&w:2.75;&=Shift&_x:1.25&t=#000000&a:7;&=&_x:1.25&c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d;&=&=&=&_h:2;&=;&@_c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1&a:4&w:1.25;&=Ctrl&_w:1.25;&=Win&_w:1.25;&=Alt&_c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d&a:7&w:6.25;&=&_c=#00466d&t=#afb0b1&a:4&w:1.25;&=Alt&_w:1.25;&=Win&_w:1.25;&=Menu&_w:1.25;&=Ctrl&_x:0.25&t=#000000&a:7;&=&=&=&_x:0.25&c=#afb0b1&t=#00466d&w:2;&=&=)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 18 October 2015, 09:26:20
Sort of. A hot air pump, no idea what it's called in English. It's a sort of aircon.

What are you painting? :D
Doors! My dog is now old enough to have stopped scratching them when he wants to go outside, now he just stands in front of me and looks at me until I get the hint. But the doors look awful, so I had to paint the worst of them.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: wakko on Sun, 18 October 2015, 13:32:02
couldn't resist... signed up. thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sun, 18 October 2015, 22:02:49
Quick update on blanks: I've stopped offering 1.25U blanks in rows 1-3 due to lack of interest. Row 4 1.25U blanks are still available in both blue and gray. At this point it's clear that rows 1-3 aren't moving, and I'd rather the order form was that much simpler.

Just in case anyone's wondering about the blanks and their individual MOQs, there's nothing to worry about. I'll be working with SP to make sure all the blanks get made. So if you're on the fence about blanks because you're worried about a certain cap not reaching MOQ, rest assured that you will get all your blanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 18 October 2015, 22:11:21
rest assured that you will get all your blanks.
MY MAN!
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/07a287501a8e914a198ff291f4adbd1b/tumblr_n3zi1iXF4T1twc22ho1_250.gif)
Just checked the spreadsheet, the numbers are straight up awesome  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 18 October 2015, 22:39:42
I'm not into the main set, as I like my boards 100% and larger.  But I just went in for blanks and novelties.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 19 October 2015, 00:01:56
I have used 100% keyboards most of my life. I'm ready for a change! Winter is coming!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 19 October 2015, 08:34:52
I have used 100% keyboards most of my life. I'm ready for a change! Winter is coming!

Excellent time to make a change! If it wasn't for some important Visual Studio shortcuts (Shft+F11, Ctrl+Shft+F10, for example) I would use 60% keyboards 100% of the time.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Mon, 19 October 2015, 08:49:31


60% keyboards 100% of the time.

Isn't that Binge's signature?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 19 October 2015, 10:09:54


60% keyboards 100% of the time.

Isn't that Binge's signature?

> Receives cease and desist from Hunger Work Studios
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: bcredbottle on Mon, 19 October 2015, 10:10:46
Congrats on tipping!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Thu, 22 October 2015, 22:49:42
Status update: 124 orders.

We're in the final stretch! Saturday is the last day to get your order in.

We've got a really good response on some of the blank cap sizes. I never bothered to get pricing for multiple MOQs, so I'm going to total up what we have and send it over to SP to see if we can't get some better pricing on blanks. I'm going to do the same for the spacebars and novelty packs. Hopefully we can all save a few bucks. I'll keep you posted.

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Fri, 23 October 2015, 09:18:55
A word about invoicing. Because of the recent PayPal lockdown garbage, I'm not even going to try to mess with that. I will be issuing invoices directly. You will have the option to pay via PayPal or directly with a credit card. I personally don't care which you choose. The fees are very similar on my end. The important part is that PayPal won't be holding onto the money this way, so they can't pull any of their gestapo moves. The invoices will be generated using FreshBooks and credit card payments will be processed by Stripe, so your financial info is totally secure.

Full disclosure: by issuing invoices this way, you will not be able to count on PayPal's buyer protection facilities. In fact, that's the very thing we're trying to avoid here. So if you really don't trust me, it won't hurt my feelings if you insist on a PayPal invoice (as long as not everybody does this). Just shoot me a PM by the end of the day Saturday.

If you're not familiar with the PayPal lockdown issues I'm referring to, see here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73626.msg1863969#msg1863969) and here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg1891708#msg1891708). Basically, PayPal seemingly arbitrarily decides when you've collected too much money, then they lock down your account until tracking notices are issued. Trouble is, Signature Plastics won't even start on an order until it's paid up, and I can't float over $10K for six weeks while Signature Plastics produces the caps. And so there we are.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 23 October 2015, 09:35:23
Good decision, and I support it 100%. PayPal is teh suxxorz, to put it in 90's talk.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 23 October 2015, 15:16:54
Soudns good. Totally down with Stripe. None of us want your paypal account getting frozen  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: braidn on Fri, 23 October 2015, 15:47:59
Absolutely love the none Paypal move!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: harlw on Fri, 23 October 2015, 18:35:46
Fantastic news! But we can do better! Let's keep this ALPS party going!

Agreed. I'm personally eager to see some folks get creative with the blanks offerings. I worked out an ErgoDox layout for someone based on what's already available, but I'm not sure about the best row profiles to use for some of the weird keys:

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/a1e7c87848951f52ec00 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/a1e7c87848951f52ec00)

Any ErgoDox users want to chime in? Specifically, I'm wondering which profiles to use for the vertical 1.5U keys along the centers, and for the keys in the thumb clusters. The only 2U option for Alpine Winter is R4 Gray, so that decision is made for us.


I like you ergodox solution - I assume the light blue keys are ones that haven't tipped?
I'd really like to cover my ergodox so I'm willing to make compromises like duplicating rows on the 1.5u keys where I have to.
Did you calculate the cost of your mock-up there?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Fri, 23 October 2015, 18:54:19
Fantastic news! But we can do better! Let's keep this ALPS party going!

Agreed. I'm personally eager to see some folks get creative with the blanks offerings. I worked out an ErgoDox layout for someone based on what's already available, but I'm not sure about the best row profiles to use for some of the weird keys:

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/a1e7c87848951f52ec00 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/a1e7c87848951f52ec00)

Any ErgoDox users want to chime in? Specifically, I'm wondering which profiles to use for the vertical 1.5U keys along the centers, and for the keys in the thumb clusters. The only 2U option for Alpine Winter is R4 Gray, so that decision is made for us.


I like you ergodox solution - I assume the light blue keys are ones that haven't tipped?
I'd really like to cover my ergodox so I'm willing to make compromises like duplicating rows on the 1.5u keys where I have to.
Did you calculate the cost of your mock-up there?
Light blue are just "ghosted" because the base kit already provides suitable keys for those spots. But if you want a consistent look you can get blanks all around. The 1.5U blue keys are available in all four rows, as are the 1U keys.

If you go by my mockup, you'll need a base kit and a novelty pack. Then (12) 1U blanks, (9) 1.5U blanks, and (4) 2U blanks.

12 * $0.73 + 9 * 1.49 + 4 * 2.47 = $32.05, or more if you want extra blanks for ghosted spots.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you want help ordering.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: Zealousy on Fri, 23 October 2015, 20:05:24
I'm fine paying through Stripe. More than happy to help avoid PayPal ownage due to arbitrary points.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Fri, 23 October 2015, 20:08:18
Just to be clear, you can still pay via PayPal when I invoice you. The only difference is I'm not invoicing through PayPal, so they can't freeze my funds.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: digi on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:53:12
I only do Paypal, sorry njbair. With the low amount of orders you have, it shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 24 October 2015, 22:40:13
20 minutes left to get in on that sweet Alps goodness!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: E3E on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:06:54
C'mon guys lets hit MQ--NOPE WE DUN DID IT ALREADY. So happy that this was so successful!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:15:14
...and that's a wrap! Orders are now closed.

Status update: 130 base kits ordered, well above the 100 MOQ. All add-ons are tipped with the exception of a handful of blanks sizes, but as I've stated in the past I will make sure all the blanks get made.

This is where the really hard part begins.

I have an email in to SP with a request for some updated pricing based on some higher than expected MOQs. I'm hoping we can all save a few bucks on some of the add-ons. Tomorrow I will be focusing on some invoice prep work (turning all this spreadsheet data into something useful for invoicing) while I await an answer back from SP. Expect invoices to show up in your email inboxes by Tuesday. Ideally, I'd like to collect payment as quickly as possible, so please let me know if you won't be able to pay within a week.

Finally, I'm super encouraged by the response to this buy. I want to thank everyone who's joined, and another special thanks to everyone who has contributed in some way (see the acknowledgements in the OP). Alpine Winter is going to be something really special and we couldn't have made it happen without all of your help.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: sean on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:28:39
This has been an awesome group buy. From the interest check where we started from an ugly purple and orange mockup (no offense njbair) to E3E casually suggesting his blue and white/gray color scheme; and geniekid, the name Alpine Winter is genius. Oh and don't forget the one that suggested to use nubbinator's Alps legend  ;). I think what made this GB great was all the feedback you took into consideration like legend colors, fn keys, and even 2u blanks! So really, thanks for coordinating this GB. I'm sure it took a lot of work up to this point and there is still a lot of work ahead so I really appreciate it!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:34:20
This has been an awesome group buy. From the interest check where we started from an ugly purple and orange mockup (no offense njbair) to E3E casually suggesting his blue and white/gray color scheme; and geniekid, the name Alpine Winter is genius. Oh and don't forget the one that suggested to use nubbinator's Alps legend  ;). I think what made this GB great was all the feedback you took into consideration like legend colors, fn keys, and even 2u blanks! So really, thanks for coordinating this GB. I'm sure it took a lot of work up to this point and there is still a lot of work ahead so I really appreciate it!  ;D

Hey guys I changed my mind. We're going back to my original proposed colorway:

(http://i.imgur.com/qnR7OWM.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: E3E on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:40:29
This has been an awesome group buy. From the interest check where we started from an ugly purple and orange mockup (no offense njbair) to E3E casually suggesting his blue and white/gray color scheme; and geniekid, the name Alpine Winter is genius. Oh and don't forget the one that suggested to use nubbinator's Alps legend  ;). I think what made this GB great was all the feedback you took into consideration like legend colors, fn keys, and even 2u blanks! So really, thanks for coordinating this GB. I'm sure it took a lot of work up to this point and there is still a lot of work ahead so I really appreciate it!  ;D

Hey guys I changed my mind. We're going back to my original proposed colorway:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/qnR7OWM.png)



*explodes*
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:40:32
And it's all G20 profile, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:41:40
This has been an awesome group buy. From the interest check where we started from an ugly purple and orange mockup (no offense njbair) to E3E casually suggesting his blue and white/gray color scheme; and geniekid, the name Alpine Winter is genius. Oh and don't forget the one that suggested to use nubbinator's Alps legend  ;). I think what made this GB great was all the feedback you took into consideration like legend colors, fn keys, and even 2u blanks! So really, thanks for coordinating this GB. I'm sure it took a lot of work up to this point and there is still a lot of work ahead so I really appreciate it!  ;D

Hey guys I changed my mind. We're going back to my original proposed colorway:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/qnR7OWM.png)


(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/Jezey/Anger%20Fight%20Scream%20Fear%20Gifs/tumblr_m8e4fzu4aY1qhehmxo2_250-yousonofa*****_zps65b4b0e1.gif)


And it's all G20 profile, right?

Hybrid SA/DSA
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: sean on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:42:42
This has been an awesome group buy. From the interest check where we started from an ugly purple and orange mockup (no offense njbair) to E3E casually suggesting his blue and white/gray color scheme; and geniekid, the name Alpine Winter is genius. Oh and don't forget the one that suggested to use nubbinator's Alps legend  ;). I think what made this GB great was all the feedback you took into consideration like legend colors, fn keys, and even 2u blanks! So really, thanks for coordinating this GB. I'm sure it took a lot of work up to this point and there is still a lot of work ahead so I really appreciate it!  ;D

Hey guys I changed my mind. We're going back to my original proposed colorway:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/qnR7OWM.png)


Oh, you!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: E3E on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:43:14
This has been an awesome group buy. From the interest check where we started from an ugly purple and orange mockup (no offense njbair) to E3E casually suggesting his blue and white/gray color scheme; and geniekid, the name Alpine Winter is genius. Oh and don't forget the one that suggested to use nubbinator's Alps legend  ;). I think what made this GB great was all the feedback you took into consideration like legend colors, fn keys, and even 2u blanks! So really, thanks for coordinating this GB. I'm sure it took a lot of work up to this point and there is still a lot of work ahead so I really appreciate it!  ;D

The community-driven aspect is the most amazing thing about this whole groupbuy! I never imagined that it would turn into something like that. I figured it'd be you know, the OP has a solid idea of the set design and just runs an IC with little changes, but this whole thing was pretty much put together by everyone who stumbled upon the IC thread and njbair! So awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:44:47
And it's all G20 profile, right?

What? No. I thought we went over this. It's going to be Romer-G profile.

(http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/53531/4/romer-g.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: koalapear on Sun, 25 October 2015, 01:31:44
Got in at the last minute! Can't wait to see how these look on the Monarch (hopefully a production one)!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Sun, 25 October 2015, 05:01:14
This has been an awesome group buy. From the interest check where we started from an ugly purple and orange mockup (no offense njbair) to E3E casually suggesting his blue and white/gray color scheme; and geniekid, the name Alpine Winter is genius. Oh and don't forget the one that suggested to use nubbinator's Alps legend  ;). I think what made this GB great was all the feedback you took into consideration like legend colors, fn keys, and even 2u blanks! So really, thanks for coordinating this GB. I'm sure it took a lot of work up to this point and there is still a lot of work ahead so I really appreciate it!  ;D

Hey guys I changed my mind. We're going back to my original proposed colorway:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/qnR7OWM.png)


I'm gonna be totally honest, I don't mind this colorway at all haha! :P
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 25 October 2015, 05:54:09
Congratulations on the successful group buy. Love the purple/orange colorway, can't wait to see actual pics of that!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 25 October 2015, 07:46:08
And it's all G20 profile, right?

What? No. I thought we went over this. It's going to be Romer-G profile.

Show Image
(http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/53531/4/romer-g.jpg)


Can we get rid of all the bottom row support and make it just for the Corsair K70?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 25 October 2015, 07:55:25
And it's all G20 profile, right?

What? No. I thought we went over this. It's going to be Romer-G profile.

Show Image
(http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/53531/4/romer-g.jpg)


Can we get rid of all the bottom row support and make it just for the Corsair K70?
Funnily enough, I think Alpine Winter actually supports that layout.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: geniekid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 11:03:18
And it's all G20 profile, right?

What? No. I thought we went over this. It's going to be Romer-G profile.

Show Image
(http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/53531/4/romer-g.jpg)


My brain processor usage shot up to 100% for a minute while trying to figure out if those caps were convex or concave.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 25 October 2015, 12:25:14
Having seen it in person, they are convex. Apparently the 910+ fixes this awful keycap design.

I actually like orange with purple, but the legends / green touches really hurt my eyes. Looks like rainbow sherbet.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 25 October 2015, 13:09:52
And it's all G20 profile, right?

What? No. I thought we went over this. It's going to be Romer-G profile.

Show Image
(http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/53531/4/romer-g.jpg)


When we all agree'd on Romer-G profile, we also agreed on nipples for the homing keys, right?  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 25 October 2015, 13:14:43
And it's all G20 profile, right?

What? No. I thought we went over this. It's going to be Romer-G profile.

Show Image
(http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/53531/4/romer-g.jpg)


When we all agree'd on Romer-G profile, we also agreed on nipples for the homing keys, right?  :cool:

That spun off into a separate thread. AFAIK they decided the set should come with no homing keys at all. It's too sensitive a topic and we want Alpine Winter to be a trigger-safe keyset.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 25 October 2015, 14:24:38
That spun off into a separate thread. AFAIK they decided the set should come with no homing keys at all. It's too sensitive a topic and we want Alpine Winter to be a trigger-safe keyset.

Wait, this post doesn't sound like sarcasm.  Now I'm worried.  I'm lost without homing keys.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 25 October 2015, 14:50:45
That spun off into a separate thread. AFAIK they decided the set should come with no homing keys at all. It's too sensitive a topic and we want Alpine Winter to be a trigger-safe keyset.

Wait, this post doesn't sound like sarcasm.  Now I'm worried.  I'm lost without homing keys.
Seriously, AW will have homing keys just like a normal DCS set.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: sean on Sun, 25 October 2015, 15:04:14
That spun off into a separate thread. AFAIK they decided the set should come with no homing keys at all. It's too sensitive a topic and we want Alpine Winter to be a trigger-safe keyset.

Wait, this post doesn't sound like sarcasm.  Now I'm worried.  I'm lost without homing keys.
Seriously, AW will have homing keys just like a normal DCS set.

(http://i.imgur.com/wnIaRyJ.gif)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: E3E on Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:12:01
And it's all G20 profile, right?

What? No. I thought we went over this. It's going to be Romer-G profile.

Show Image
(http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/53531/4/romer-g.jpg)


When we all agree'd on Romer-G profile, we also agreed on nipples for the homing keys, right?  :cool:

Did someone say nipples?  ° ͜ʖ ͡
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter - 60% Alps DCS Keycaps - 100 MOQ TIPPED!!!
Post by: taropaste on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:58:30
This has been an awesome group buy. From the interest check where we started from an ugly purple and orange mockup (no offense njbair) to E3E casually suggesting his blue and white/gray color scheme; and geniekid, the name Alpine Winter is genius. Oh and don't forget the one that suggested to use nubbinator's Alps legend  ;). I think what made this GB great was all the feedback you took into consideration like legend colors, fn keys, and even 2u blanks! So really, thanks for coordinating this GB. I'm sure it took a lot of work up to this point and there is still a lot of work ahead so I really appreciate it!  ;D

Hey guys I changed my mind. We're going back to my original proposed colorway:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/qnR7OWM.png)


I'm gonna be totally honest, I don't mind this colorway at all haha! :P

I AGREE!! Oh well, bright colors are too polarizing. People either love or hate and there's never enough who love them to get a set made. Meanwhile, here I am still hoping nubbinator's Manly Unicorn set becomes a reality. I like the bright colors otherwise everything looks so derivative. Oh well, I guess it's safer for my wallet that way.  :p
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: Kola93 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:19:39
Really nice design, but I wish it wasn't DCS and ABS, one of the less desirable SP combinations to me.

Can't wait to see how it looks in photos though. ^-^
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:23:59
That spun off into a separate thread. AFAIK they decided the set should come with no homing keys at all. It's too sensitive a topic and we want Alpine Winter to be a trigger-safe keyset.

Wait, this post doesn't sound like sarcasm.  Now I'm worried.  I'm lost without homing keys.
Seriously, AW will have homing keys just like a normal DCS set.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wnIaRyJ.gif)

(http://dashie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw11243-Triggered.gif)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 26 October 2015, 23:52:05
Hey, folks. I know it's really late but I have some great news. We're going to be able to lower some prices! Here's the rundown:

6U & 6.5U spacebar packs were $7/ea., now $5/ea.
Novelty packs were $7/ea., now $5/ea.
Blank 1U caps were $.07/ea., now $0.60 (some even cheaper).

It's not much, but it's something!

In other news, I've also finalized shipping costs for CONUS orders so I can begin sending out invoices in the morning. Taking a cue from other wise GB leaders, I'm going to invoice shipping separately for non-US orders. I'll send out international shipping invoices once the caps are packed up and ready to ship. That way I can provide exact package weights.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoicing)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:08:27
Hey, folks. I know it's really late but I have some great news. We're going to be able to lower some prices! Here's the rundown:

6U & 6.5U spacebar packs were $7/ea., now $5/ea.
Novelty packs were $7/ea., now $5/ea.
Blank 1U caps were $.07/ea., now $0.60 (some even cheaper).

It's not much, but it's something!

In other news, I've also finalized shipping costs for CONUS orders so I can begin sending out invoices in the morning. Taking a cue from other wise GB leaders, I'm going to invoice shipping separately for non-US orders. I'll send out international shipping invoices once the caps are packed up and ready to ship. That way I can provide exact package weights.
Awesome news! Savings are savings and it underlines what a success this set was in terms of MOQ.

*pats everyone on the back*
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:09:07
Hey, folks. I know it's really late but I have some great news. We're going to be able to lower some prices! Here's the rundown:

6U & 6.5U spacebar packs were $7/ea., now $5/ea.
Novelty packs were $7/ea., now $5/ea.
Blank 1U caps were $.07/ea., now $0.60 (some even cheaper).

It's not much, but it's something!

In other news, I've also finalized shipping costs for CONUS orders so I can begin sending out invoices in the morning. Taking a cue from other wise GB leaders, I'm going to invoice shipping separately for non-US orders. I'll send out international shipping invoices once the caps are packed up and ready to ship. That way I can provide exact package weights.

Lowering prices before sending the invoice?  What kind of well-planned GB is this?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders Closed)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 27 October 2015, 01:26:37
I'll send out international shipping invoices once the caps are packed up and ready to ship. That way I can provide exact package weights.
Good idea. International shipping is a *****, just ask Massdrop - they keep listing 30 USD to send me tiny things like full-size keyboards or over-the-ear headphones! Should be easy to slip in an envelope if you ask me...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoicing)
Post by: shoostep on Tue, 27 October 2015, 15:57:42
Paid...Thanks for putting this together  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoicing)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:42:39
 :thumb: PAID :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoicing)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:43:58
Paid! Looking forward to it. :3
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoicing)
Post by: olijuice on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:44:37
Yay! Invoice has been paid.  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:49:02
And with that, all invoices have been sent! If you do not receive your invoice via email, let me know ASAP.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 27 October 2015, 18:01:47
And with that, all invoices have been sent! If you do not receive your invoice via email, let me know ASAP.

Got mine!  Will pay later tonight  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 27 October 2015, 19:15:14
Paid :)

With the 30 days invoicing period does that mean the order will not be sent off until end of November?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 27 October 2015, 19:19:29
Paid :)

With the 30 days invoicing period does that mean the order will not be sent off until end of November?

No that's actually a default thing in my accounting software...I should have changed it. I'm hoping to take payments by the end of the week if possible. It's not like we didn't know this was coming.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: koalapear on Tue, 27 October 2015, 19:48:19
Paid! Super stoked for this keyset!  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 27 October 2015, 20:30:44
Remitted.  I will no doubt be doing terrible things to those white blanks... contemplating decals or fabric-dye pens to label them up for a programmable pad.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 27 October 2015, 21:35:42
Paid. Thank you for letting me be a part of this well organized group buy!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 27 October 2015, 21:36:12
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: digi on Tue, 27 October 2015, 21:42:00
oh they gone' be mad when they see these on and they missed out ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:08:32
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Like Uncle Scrooge in his money bin.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/n59dQcO9yaaaY/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:14:25
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Like Uncle Scrooge in his money bin.

Show Image
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/n59dQcO9yaaaY/giphy.gif)

You'd think that'd be quite painful, diving into metal discs...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:16:20
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Like Uncle Scrooge in his money bin.

Show Image
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/n59dQcO9yaaaY/giphy.gif)

You'd think that'd be quite painful, diving into metal discs...
Little njbair lost more sleep than I'd like to admit pondering this.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:34:09
Paid!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 27 October 2015, 23:08:07
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Like Uncle Scrooge in his money bin.

Show Image
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/n59dQcO9yaaaY/giphy.gif)

You'd think that'd be quite painful, diving into metal discs...
Little njbair lost more sleep than I'd like to admit pondering this.

I'm sorry I made your head hurt. Go back to sleep.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 27 October 2015, 23:15:13
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Like Uncle Scrooge in his money bin.

Show Image
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/n59dQcO9yaaaY/giphy.gif)

You'd think that'd be quite painful, diving into metal discs...
Little njbair lost more sleep than I'd like to admit pondering this.

I'm sorry I made your head hurt. Go back to sleep.

Anything in cartoons that is painted, and not animated will not move. Once I figured that out of wrecked Scooby doo for me when I was a kid.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 27 October 2015, 23:16:28
Probably too soon to mention! I'll bring it up later when this set is closer to actually being in our hands. :3
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 28 October 2015, 14:51:07
Invoicing update: 40% paid in ~24 hours. Not bad, folks!

Just a reminder, if you have not received your invoice yet please PM me ASAP.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 07:36:27
Paid!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 29 October 2015, 08:31:49
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).

Hmm, it's a little cold for swimming right now.  But enjoy!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 31 October 2015, 01:00:35
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).

Hmm, it's a little cold for swimming right now.  But enjoy!

It's never too cold to go swimming.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: braidn on Sat, 31 October 2015, 11:53:55
Paid and psyched for this. Hopefully more ALPS sets become available in the future. Thanks for running a great GB so far.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: NoblesseOblige on Sat, 31 October 2015, 13:09:08
I should be all paid.

Now to budget in a Monarch for my November expenses to go with them.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 31 October 2015, 13:12:13
I should be all paid.

Now to budget in a Monarch for my November expenses to go with them.
That's the ticket.

Everyone! Buy a Monarch!!!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 31 October 2015, 14:58:46
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).

Hmm, it's a little cold for swimming right now.  But enjoy!

It's never too cold to go swimming.
(Attachment Link)

That actually looks like fun (as long as there is a hot tub nearby.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 31 October 2015, 15:01:25
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).

Hmm, it's a little cold for swimming right now.  But enjoy!

It's never too cold to go swimming.
(Attachment Link)

That actually looks like fun (as long as there is a hot tub nearby.

The question is, would that, or jumping into a pit full of metal discs like scrooge hurt more?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: derpingit on Mon, 02 November 2015, 02:41:18
late to the party.. as always..  :(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 02 November 2015, 02:44:06
late to the party.. as always..  :(

I cannot make any promises, but there is a chance I might not need a set when all is said and done. I ordered three. I will definitely be using two.

I know there are others here with extra sets too, so fear not! Just stay tuned to this thread and I'm sure someone will have one to offer after a while.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: Texchappy on Tue, 03 November 2015, 00:13:50
Sorry if I missed it, but what type of homing f/j marks will the set have.  Saw that it was what was standard for DCS but I'm not sure what that is - spikes, bars, or scoops?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 03 November 2015, 00:29:10
Sorry if I missed it, but what type of homing f/j marks will the set have.  Saw that it was what was standard for DCS but I'm not sure what that is - spikes, bars, or scoops?

Spikes... you must really not like homing dots, or nipples as the popular term seems to be.  :))

The set will use homing bars!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: Texchappy on Tue, 03 November 2015, 00:35:19
Sorry if I missed it, but what type of homing f/j marks will the set have.  Saw that it was what was standard for DCS but I'm not sure what that is - spikes, bars, or scoops?

Spikes... you must really not like homing dots, or nipples as the popular term seems to be.  :))

The set will use homing bars!  :thumb:

Glad to hear bars. Just put my new modern selectric on my KUL and with the nerve damage in my hands I gotta say nibbles, dot ps, pungy sticks - not a fan.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: Tyr on Tue, 03 November 2015, 06:34:07
Glad to hear bars. Just put my new modern selectric on my KUL and with the nerve damage in my hands I gotta say nibbles, dot ps, pungy sticks - not a fan.

Haha, those *are* a bit spikey. They also make it more difficult to clean the keys.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: braidn on Tue, 03 November 2015, 07:00:08
Thank you for no homing spikes. Have a pair from a 1976 set and I am still scarred from using them for a day
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: NoblesseOblige on Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:10:10
I should be all paid.

Now to budget in a Monarch for my November expenses to go with them.
That's the ticket.

Everyone! Buy a Monarch!!!

I just need to pick a color and I'll be in for the Monarch. I also wanted to confirm whether or not I can still add the numpad pack through the Monarch order form even though this group buy is finished. I should have probably checked last week but it slipped my mind.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:14:42
I should be all paid.

Now to budget in a Monarch for my November expenses to go with them.
That's the ticket.

Everyone! Buy a Monarch!!!

I just need to pick a color and I'll be in for the Monarch. I also wanted to confirm whether or not I can still add the numpad pack through the Monarch order form even though this group buy is finished. I should have probably checked last week but it slipped my mind.

Ordering for Alpine Winter is closed, but I am personally ordering a small number of extra numpad kits for Monarch builds. If the Monarch doesn't get made this time around, I'll keep them handy for whenever (and if) koalapear decides to rerun it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: NoblesseOblige on Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:19:44
I should be all paid.

Now to budget in a Monarch for my November expenses to go with them.
That's the ticket.

Everyone! Buy a Monarch!!!

I just need to pick a color and I'll be in for the Monarch. I also wanted to confirm whether or not I can still add the numpad pack through the Monarch order form even though this group buy is finished. I should have probably checked last week but it slipped my mind.

Ordering for Alpine Winter is closed, but I am personally ordering a small number of extra numpad kits for Monarch builds. If the Monarch doesn't get made this time around, I'll keep them handy for whenever (and if) koalapear decides to rerun it.

So if I were to join the Monarch Group Buy this Friday and choose the option in that order form for a blank Alpine Winter set would it not produce an order? If not I would contact Koalaspear and maybe have that option removed from the google form for the remainder of that GB, as to avoid confusion. If however it's separate and does process an additional order then disregard that.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:28:15
I should be all paid.

Now to budget in a Monarch for my November expenses to go with them.
That's the ticket.

Everyone! Buy a Monarch!!!

I just need to pick a color and I'll be in for the Monarch. I also wanted to confirm whether or not I can still add the numpad pack through the Monarch order form even though this group buy is finished. I should have probably checked last week but it slipped my mind.

Ordering for Alpine Winter is closed, but I am personally ordering a small number of extra numpad kits for Monarch builds. If the Monarch doesn't get made this time around, I'll keep them handy for whenever (and if) koalapear decides to rerun it.

So if I were to join the Monarch Group Buy this Friday and choose the option in that order form for a blank Alpine Winter set would it not produce an order? If not I would contact Koalaspear and maybe have that option removed from the google form for the remainder of that GB, as to avoid confusion. If however it's separate and does process an additional order then disregard that.

Okay. I will have a few extra numpad kits to cover Monarch orders. When the Monarch GB is done, koalapear will forward the numpad orders to me and I will make sure they get shipped with the Alpine Winter base kits. If koalapear has to call off the Monarch GB due to lack of interest, nobody will have to pay for numpad kits and I will shelf the kits I ordered for a possible future re-run. But you will still get the AW base kit that you ordered.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: NoblesseOblige on Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:30:57
Okay. I will have a few extra numpad kits to cover Monarch orders. When the Monarch GB is done, koalapear will forward the numpad orders to me and I will make sure they get shipped with the Alpine Winter base kits. If koalapear has to call off the Monarch GB due to lack of interest, nobody will have to pay for numpad kits and I will shelf the kits I ordered for a possible future re-run. But you will still get the AW base kit that you ordered.

All right, I think I got it now. Sorry for my confusion, and thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 03 November 2015, 16:10:57
After some unavoidable delays yesterday, I placed the order with Signature Plastics this morning. I've asked SP for a more specific lead time now that the order is placed. I'll keep you all posted as I hear more from them. We should still be on track to have these caps in everyone's hands by Christmas, at least for CONUS orders. International orders will be sorted & weighed, and an invoice sent for the exact shipping cost. This should save our overseas friends a substantial amount on shipping charges.

I still have about a dozen outstanding invoices. Many of those folks have already responded to my PM nagging. If you're reading this and you haven't yet paid or contacted me, please shoot me a PM and just let me know what the deal is. Any kits that haven't been claimed one week from now (November 10), I'll make available on a first come, first serve basis for those who missed out on the buy.

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: sean on Tue, 03 November 2015, 18:04:35
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Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: SpikeBolt on Fri, 06 November 2015, 04:49:07
If you happen to have an an extra set or someone who changed their mind I'm interested! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 09 November 2015, 15:19:05
Hey all, just checking in with a quick update.

Invoicing has taken a little longer than I expected. I was hoping to have SP paid up and in the production queue by last week, but a typo error caused a delay in the invoicing with SP. It's all straightened out now so our 6-week lead time begins this week. That puts the SP production completion date somewhere in the week of December 21.

On a personal note, my wife and I just bought a new house and our move-in date is December 19. I am taking my last week of vacation around that weekend, but I'll be focusing on packing, moving, & unpacking. Just so you guys don't think I'm a jerk or insane, I want to point out that when ordering opened for Alpine Winter our old house wasn't even on the market yet. I never expected it to sell in 10 days, so my wife and I had to scramble to find our new home. Fortunately we found a place that's perfect for our family, but the timing was kind of out of our hands.

So what does all this mean for your order? Well, the earliest I would expect to see these caps at my doorstep would be the week of December 21, but with holiday shipping delays, I'm thinking I won't have them at least until the following week. Weather permitting, CPT is planning to drive up to Cleveland and help me sort caps (BTW, anyone else is welcome to come as well, there's plenty of room in the new house). Either way, I'm going to hustle to get things packed up and shipped out ASAP.

Finally, if you haven't paid your invoice yet, please do so! If you're having trouble let me know. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: Texchappy on Mon, 09 November 2015, 15:23:44
Grats on the new house.  I'm not in a rush. I don't know if there's a way to prioritize the order but I'm ok waiting if it will help out others.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 09 November 2015, 15:24:51
Help sort caps? I thought we were just going to go for a swim in them :(.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 09 November 2015, 15:30:39
Help sort caps? I thought we were just going to go for a swim in them :(.

Are you like that guy in Guardians of the Galaxy who can't understand metaphors?

"Nothing goes over my head! My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it."
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 09 November 2015, 15:33:06
I for one am shocked, shocked I say, that you would dare prioritize a house of all things over our beautiful, beautiful Alps keycaps!  :mad:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 09 November 2015, 16:57:37
GB leaders these days. No sense of priorities.  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: Texchappy on Mon, 09 November 2015, 17:02:55
Must have been a REALLY successful GB  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Tue, 10 November 2015, 00:11:26
Congrats on the new house! :D I personally say a breather and enjoy the new house and holidays  :thumb: I'd come help with the sorting, but I don't think the bus would even make it to Cleveland before you finished haha!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 10 November 2015, 00:32:37
Good luck with the GB and the move, you insane jerk ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: Zealousy on Tue, 10 November 2015, 03:29:28
Congratulations on the invoicing getting straightened out with SP! Also congrats on the house thing, I guess... :P

This is going to be here sooner than you think!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 10 November 2015, 09:47:43
Thanks everyone for your kind words. It wouldn't be a group buy without some kind of spanner in the works. And as Zealousy stated, it will be here before you know it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: Badwrench on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:11:57
Thanks everyone for your kind words. It wouldn't be a group buy without some kind of spanner in the works. And as Zealousy stated, it will be here before you know it.

Exactly!  Now it's just time to forget about it.  This works great as it will be like a giant Christmas package assuming it hits the full 6 weeks. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Invoices Sent, Awaiting Payment)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:26:00
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Like Uncle Scrooge in his money bin.

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I'd love to come down and help sort swim in caps when it's that time.  I'm about 8 hours away, so it may not work out, but I do love me a good sorting swimming party.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:55:41
Hoff don't bail. Let's do this
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:58:16
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Like Uncle Scrooge in his money bin.

Show Image
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/n59dQcO9yaaaY/giphy.gif)


I'd love to come down and help sort swim in caps when it's that time.  I'm about 8 hours away, so it may not work out, but I do love me a good sorting swimming party.
If you come and help sort, I won't have to ship your caps so I can refund your shipping charges. So you really can't afford not to!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 10 November 2015, 12:00:02
I can't wait to go swimming in the massive pile of these caps. njbair and I are gonna have a good time ;).
Like Uncle Scrooge in his money bin.

Show Image
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/n59dQcO9yaaaY/giphy.gif)


I'd love to come down and help sort swim in caps when it's that time.  I'm about 8 hours away, so it may not work out, but I do love me a good sorting swimming party.
If you come and help sort, I won't have to ship your caps so I can refund your shipping charges. So you really can't afford not to!

Did you charge $100 for shipping??

This whole GB is a skam!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 12 November 2015, 21:04:33
Hmm.  I am kinda interested in helping with sorting, I've always wanted to see more of Cleveland and meet another keyboard geek.  However, I'll be in France for Christmas time, so I don't think I could make it (humble brag). 

Anyways, have fun with the new house!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 12 November 2015, 22:18:21
Humble brag out of nowhere!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 12 November 2015, 22:23:35
Humble brag out of nowhere!
I knew he had ulterior motives as soon as he said he wanted to see Cleveland.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: Delirious on Thu, 12 November 2015, 22:23:51
Hmm.  I am kinda interested in helping with sorting, I've always wanted to see more of Cleveland and meet another keyboard geek.  However, I'll be in France for Christmas time, so I don't think I could make it (humble brag). 

Anyways, have fun with the new house!

Humble brag out of nowhere!

If it makes you feel any better, Paris is a dangerous town
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 13 November 2015, 05:31:13
Humble brag out of nowhere!
I knew he had ulterior motives as soon as he said he wanted to see Cleveland.

I'm serious, I enjoy visiting other Rust Belt cities. And I'm a public transportation nerd, and I hear Cleveland has some sort of rapid transit, so I would love to check that out, no matter rickety it might b.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 13 November 2015, 08:50:05
Humble brag out of nowhere!
I knew he had ulterior motives as soon as he said he wanted to see Cleveland.

Hey, you guys do have the Rock and Roll HoF...which is a sham...but does have some really nice stuff to look at, so it's not a total waste.  ;)

Also you're close to Cedar Point.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 13 November 2015, 12:09:36
Humble brag out of nowhere!
I knew he had ulterior motives as soon as he said he wanted to see Cleveland.

Hey, you guys do have the Rock and Roll HoF...which is a sham...but does have some really nice stuff to look at, so it's not a total waste.  ;)

Also you're close to Cedar Point.

Cedar Point is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 13 November 2015, 13:51:36


Cedar Point is pretty awesome.

For those of us that do not enjoy roller coasters, I must disagree.  Unless Soak City has something to offer.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 13 November 2015, 15:57:57
those of us that do not enjoy roller coasters

Not even love roller coasters?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Sat, 14 November 2015, 18:26:20
when are the extras going on sale? any estimate on $?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 14 November 2015, 19:07:30
when are the extras going on sale? any estimate on $?
I sent out final reminders this afternoon, I'll open up the leftovers for sale early next week. Pricing will be the same, see the OP.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: SpikeBolt on Sat, 14 November 2015, 19:16:09
Dibbbbbbbbbbs :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Sat, 14 November 2015, 19:21:56
when are the extras going on sale? any estimate on $?
I sent out final reminders this afternoon, I'll open up the leftovers for sale early next week. Pricing will be the same, see the OP.

Awesome, looking forward to picking up a set
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 15 November 2015, 12:48:26
those of us that do not enjoy roller coasters

Not even love roller coasters?

Let me describe what happens when I ride roller coasters.  I close my eyes and grip the bar for dear life until it's over.  Then I vow to never ride them again.

when are the extras going on sale? any estimate on $?
I sent out final reminders this afternoon, I'll open up the leftovers for sale early next week. Pricing will be the same, see the OP.

Nice guy, I would probably extort as much profit as possible on the unpaid extras.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: E3E on Sun, 15 November 2015, 13:34:58
those of us that do not enjoy roller coasters

Not even love roller coasters?

Let me describe what happens when I ride roller coasters.  I close my eyes and grip the bar for dear life until it's over.  Then I vow to never ride them again.

when are the extras going on sale? any estimate on $?
I sent out final reminders this afternoon, I'll open up the leftovers for sale early next week. Pricing will be the same, see the OP.

Nice guy, I would probably extort as much profit as possible on the unpaid extras.

Rollercoasters used to scare me as a kid, until I forced myself to ride them.

Haha, yeah I can understand inflating prices a little bit if someone is in a true financial bind, but if there's truly no need for someone to inflate prices other than "it's the free market," then that's pretty ****ty.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 15 November 2015, 14:38:33
those of us that do not enjoy roller coasters

Not even love roller coasters?

Let me describe what happens when I ride roller coasters.  I close my eyes and grip the bar for dear life until it's over.  Then I vow to never ride them again.

when are the extras going on sale? any estimate on $?
I sent out final reminders this afternoon, I'll open up the leftovers for sale early next week. Pricing will be the same, see the OP.

Nice guy, I would probably extort as much profit as possible on the unpaid extras.
From my perspective, it's either sell them quickly or float the cost indefinitely until someone is willing to pay inflated prices. I've got other things to spend money on than a bunch of extra cap sets, especially since I'm already buying three personal sets of AW plus blanks for an Ergo Dox and a Planck (neither of which I even own yet).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Mon, 16 November 2015, 14:48:02
I'm already buying three personal sets of AW plus blanks for an Ergo Dox and a Planck (neither of which I even own yet).

You know what my momma always told me? "Muff, life is like a box of chocolates, always buy multiple cap sets because you know you're gonna get multiple keyboards"
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 16 November 2015, 14:50:07
I'm already buying three personal sets of AW plus blanks for an Ergo Dox and a Planck (neither of which I even own yet).

You know what my momma always told me? "Muff, life is like a box of chocolates, always buy multiple cap sets because you know you're gonna get multiple keyboards"

Your momma was a real smart lady.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 16 November 2015, 14:51:37
I'm already buying three personal sets of AW plus blanks for an Ergo Dox and a Planck (neither of which I even own yet).

You know what my momma always told me? "Muff, life is like a box of chocolates, always buy multiple cap sets because you know you're gonna get multiple keyboards"

My momma told me to stop buying **** I don't need.


I did not listen.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (On Order with SP)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 16 November 2015, 15:15:41
Great, now I'm imagining someone taking a valentine's box full of chocolates and replacing all of the chocolates with a key cap set. :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 16 November 2015, 15:41:43
Okay, folks. We've got some unpaid extra sets available. If you missed out on the order window, now's your chance to score some Alps goodness! Here's what's available:

Base kits $70
6U Spacebar kits (Infinity) $5
6.5U Spacebar kits (AEKII) $5
Novelty kits $5

To order, just shoot me a PM with the items & quantities you want, your shipping address, and email for invoicing.

Ordering is first come, first serve, so get 'em before they're gone!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Mon, 16 November 2015, 15:47:22


Ordering is first come, first serve, so get 'em before they're gone!


Ordered, my infinity can't wait :D

Edit: paid
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: linkshine on Mon, 16 November 2015, 16:19:42
Okay, folks. We've got some unpaid extra sets available. If you missed out on the order window, now's your chance to score some Alps goodness! Here's what's available:

Base kits $70
6U Spacebar kits (Infinity) $5
6.5U Spacebar kits (AEKII) $5
Novelty kits $5

To order, just shoot me a PM with the items & quantities you want, your shipping address, and email for invoicing.

Ordering is first come, first serve, so get 'em before they're gone!

woohoo! I'm in!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: joey on Mon, 16 November 2015, 16:21:24
Hopefully got one of the extras!

This is good motivation to add Alps support to my PCB!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 16 November 2015, 16:34:15
Good luck getting in, guys!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: childofthehorn on Mon, 16 November 2015, 16:50:00
Any idea when everything will be heading out?

Too bad I live nowhere near at all as I am sure many of us would love to help.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 16 November 2015, 17:17:40
Is it too late to get anyone of the extras? I'd love to get one.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Mon, 16 November 2015, 17:23:40
Is it too late to get anyone of the extras? I'd love to get one.

might still be some left over. Pm njbair and hope that luck shines upon you
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 16 November 2015, 20:33:44
Is it too late to get anyone of the extras? I'd love to get one.

I may have one left, still waiting on a follow-up PM. Feel free to PM me your info if you're still interested.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 16 November 2015, 21:45:34
Okay folks, so I have an interesting dilemma. I'd like to get your opinions.

As you know, some of the original orders went unpaid and I've resold those sets. Well, three of those orders were entered in the nubs raffle, which means we are now down to 47 entries in the raffle instead of the original 50. I could enter the next three eligible orders into the raffle, or I could leave it at 47 entries and increase those folks' chances by a tiny bit. What should I do?

One part of me thinks I should enter those next three folks who ordered sets at the 50 MOQ. But the raffle was really there to encourage early orders, and in that sense, orders #51 through #53 didn't really help us meet MOQ, so they don't really belong in the raffle.

What do you think?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 16 November 2015, 21:49:23
I say early orders only, but it sounds a bit selfish doesn't it?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 16 November 2015, 21:54:59
I don't have any skin in that game, but I think you should draw from the 47 remaining.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: skullydazed on Mon, 16 November 2015, 22:26:34
I think there are very good arguments to be made for both. At the time that #51, 52, and 53 ordered did they know that MOQ had been hit? If not I think intention counts for something and they should be included. If so I'd say leave it up to luck and flip a coin to see whether they get to be included.  :p
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 16 November 2015, 23:37:16
I'm with stoic-lemon.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 17 November 2015, 00:02:02
I also agree that it should be drawn from the initial 47. :o

I definitely see Skully's point, but it'd be impossible to know if someone's being honest or not if they know a raffle spot is on the line. They could easily fib on their intent, haha.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Tue, 17 November 2015, 21:31:35
Great, now I'm imagining someone taking a valentine's box full of chocolates and replacing all of the chocolates with a key cap set. :))

probably the best kinda of chocolate box you could receive!  :D

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I'm already buying three personal sets of AW plus blanks for an Ergo Dox and a Planck (neither of which I even own yet).

You know what my momma always told me? "Muff, life is like a box of chocolates, always buy multiple cap sets because you know you're gonna get multiple keyboards"

Your momma was a real smart lady.

I like to think so, but her texting makes me think otherwise :P

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I'm already buying three personal sets of AW plus blanks for an Ergo Dox and a Planck (neither of which I even own yet).

You know what my momma always told me? "Muff, life is like a box of chocolates, always buy multiple cap sets because you know you're gonna get multiple keyboards"

My momma told me to stop buying **** I don't need.


I did not listen.

Haha I'm sure everyone on geekhack didn't follow that rule from their moms


Also I'm probably one of the few who will say this, but, I personally believe in the hippie idea of including those three people  :p. The chance of winning a custom cap is cool, but to me they were always just icing on the cake that is Alpine Winter.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: RyanArr on Wed, 18 November 2015, 12:02:12
Any spacebars and novelties left? (Also PMed)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (EXTRAS NOW AVAILABLE)
Post by: linkshine on Wed, 18 November 2015, 15:16:23
NJBair, coming from one of the dudes picking up an unpaid order, I assumed I wasn't in the raffle. Definitely not going to be upset if not entered- just happy to be here! If we do get included it's just a pretty sweet bonus :) So no worries bra, don't think about it too much
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 18 November 2015, 21:48:12
Hey all, I've got a stack of PMs to go through, and I'll get to each one of you soon. But just to put it out there, the extra spots have all been filled. I just have one more invoice to send out and that's it.

Once all orders have been shipped and received and any potential missing or damaged keys have been replaced, I may have some extra blanks and/or spacebars (I rounded some quantities up on the order just to cover mistakes). If so, I'll post them for sale in the classifieds. But once the caps arrive I'll need to focus on the full orders to get them packed and shipped as quickly as possible.

Thanks so much to all of you for your interest and support.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 19 November 2015, 06:52:29
I'm now offering a Snapchat and Periscope subscription for the cap sorting party at njbair's. We're going to sip on the finest, swim in keycaps, and generally talk **** about all things not Alps related. $5 to lolno@gmail.net.

In slightly more related news, I'll probably make a mini-zine (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70769.0) with pics from the cap sorting party.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 19 November 2015, 07:33:37
yeah yeah YEAH

so stoked about this
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 19 November 2015, 10:59:33
Put it on MFC. Hot keycap action!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 19 November 2015, 19:36:05
I'm now offering a Snapchat and Periscope subscription for the cap sorting party at njbair's. We're going to sip on the finest, swim in keycaps, and generally talk **** about all things not Alps related. $5 to lolno@gmail.net.

In slightly more related news, I'll probably make a mini-zine (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70769.0) with pics from the cap sorting party.

What's that exact cap sorting party date again?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 19 November 2015, 19:39:43
I'm now offering a Snapchat and Periscope subscription for the cap sorting party at njbair's. We're going to sip on the finest, swim in keycaps, and generally talk **** about all things not Alps related. $5 to lolno@gmail.net.

In slightly more related news, I'll probably make a mini-zine (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70769.0) with pics from the cap sorting party.

What's that exact cap sorting party date again?
Not sure yet. I'll start bugging SP for hard dates as we get closer. But probably late December.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 19 November 2015, 19:53:39
I'm now offering a Snapchat and Periscope subscription for the cap sorting party at njbair's. We're going to sip on the finest, swim in keycaps, and generally talk **** about all things not Alps related. $5 to lolno@gmail.net.

In slightly more related news, I'll probably make a mini-zine (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70769.0) with pics from the cap sorting party.

What's that exact cap sorting party date again?
Not sure yet. I'll start bugging SP for hard dates as we get closer. But probably late December.

I can do January, but not late December, unless my Christmas travel plan are affected.  I'll need something to look forward to in January, winter in the Midwest has a tendency to darken my soul.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 20 November 2015, 15:36:41
I'm now offering a Snapchat and Periscope subscription for the cap sorting party at njbair's. We're going to sip on the finest, swim in keycaps, and generally talk **** about all things not Alps related. $5 to lolno@gmail.net.

In slightly more related news, I'll probably make a mini-zine (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70769.0) with pics from the cap sorting party.

What's that exact cap sorting party date again?
Not sure yet. I'll start bugging SP for hard dates as we get closer. But probably late December.

I can do January, but not late December, unless my Christmas travel plan are affected.  I'll need something to look forward to in January, winter in the Midwest has a tendency to darken my soul.

If it does end up being early January, I might be able to tack it on the end of my road trip.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:24:53
Just wanted to check in and see how things are going with this one.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 03 December 2015, 20:27:05
Just wanted to check in and see how things are going with this one.
My last communication with SP was on November 23. Melissa was just double-checking some details for the add-on packs, presumably because they were getting ready to start churning out keycaps.

I've already shared that invoicing took a bit longer than I expected, both on the GB side and the SP side. I didn't realize that getting an invoice from SP takes about a week after you request it. There were also some errors with SP's original invoice and that cost us another week. I probably should have requested it sooner, although I'm not sure how that would have worked because so many orders had changes after the ordering closed, and those changes affected the final order quantities. If this had been a for-profit buy I could have used some of the proceeds to cover a bigger error margin and get the order out sooner. But I had very little wiggle room, especially considering as it happened I still had about 15% of the invoice total still outstanding from buyers when I finally paid SP (I have since collected all the outstanding funds).

All this means that the actual date of payment to SP was November 13. Add six weeks manufacturing lead time to that and you get...December 25. So I'm expecting the caps to arrive here in Cleveland some time right around the new year.

The good news is, I should be settled in to the new house by that time. The bad news is, I may not end up having the help I expected for sorting and packing. We'll see what happens. As we get closer to the six week mark, I'll start bugging SP for a more specific delivery estimate. This will help me make plans for sorting, packing and shipping.

TL;DR - Christmas is cancelled this year.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 03 December 2015, 22:22:21
Wonderful update.  Thank you.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 04 December 2015, 05:26:58
This guy does updates right.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 04 December 2015, 06:03:33
The good news is, I should be settled in to the new house by that time. The bad news is, I may not end up having the help I expected for sorting and packing. We'll see what happens. As we get closer to the six week mark, I'll start bugging SP for a more specific delivery estimate. This will help me make plans for sorting, packing and shipping.

I'M SORRY I FAILED YOU. If the caps arrive later in January (read towards the end of January) and you still need help sorting. Or you still need help sorting then, let me know and I'll be happy to come out.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 04 December 2015, 07:56:36
Don't sweat it, CPT. We'll make it work. I think viva and Hoff may be able to help, depending on timing.

In the meantime, I'm getting the packing supplies figured out. I already bought a big roll of bubble wrap. We're using it to pack our plates for the move, and I've still got a ton of it left for shipping orders.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 December 2015, 10:26:24
Don't sweat it, CPT. We'll make it work. I think viva and Hoff may be able to help, depending on timing.

I'm bummed CPT will likely be unable to help.  :(  But yes, I "should" be able, if it's in 2016.  It would be especially convenient if it lined up with my road trip.  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: E3E on Fri, 04 December 2015, 11:26:46
Damn, I wish I wasn't -10339 miles away from Cleveland.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 04 December 2015, 11:37:01
Damn, I wish I wasn't -10339 miles away from Cleveland.

Actually, only 1052 miles! Closer than I am. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 04 December 2015, 12:29:46
Don't sweat it, CPT. We'll make it work. I think viva and Hoff may be able to help, depending on timing.

In the meantime, I'm getting the packing supplies figured out. I already bought a big roll of bubble wrap. We're using it to pack our plates for the move, and I've still got a ton of it left for shipping orders.

I'm currently in a period of vehicular transition, so I am now unsure of my availability in January.  I hope to have that solved by January, but we'll see.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 December 2015, 19:21:17
vehicular transition

That sounds painful, I hope the transition is successful.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 04 December 2015, 19:30:01
A GB where the let down is coming from the participants and not the leader. Ya did good, njbair!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 04 December 2015, 19:44:55
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 04 December 2015, 21:07:55
vehicular transition

That sounds painful, I hope the transition is successful.

Translation:  My car is an 18-year-old piece of **** and it is time for me to sell it on Craigslist for whatever I can get and buy a replacement or something else.  Anyone heard about Blue Indy?  (https://www.blue-indy.com) Welcome to the era of electric car sharing.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 04 December 2015, 21:16:48
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If it wasn't over the holidays I'd try to con Hoff into giving me a ride to Ohio to help you. :(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 December 2015, 21:25:21
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If it wasn't over the holidays I'd try to con Hoff into giving me a ride to Ohio to help you. :(

Maybe there will be some delays!

Oh who am I kidding, delays in a group buy?  That'll never happen.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 04 December 2015, 21:50:25
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If it wasn't over the holidays I'd try to con Hoff into giving me a ride to Ohio to help you. :(

Maybe there will be some delays!

Oh who am I kidding, delays in a group buy?  That'll never happen.

Lol.   :llama: :llama: :llama:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: digi on Fri, 04 December 2015, 22:05:22
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If you were on the West Side (best side) I would help you out, but you're stuck in the East 1999 My Nina's

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/E_1999_Eternal_cover.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 December 2015, 22:24:13
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If you were on the West Side (best side) I would help you out, but you're stuck in the East 1999 My Nina's

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/E_1999_Eternal_cover.jpg)


mfw digi thinks Ohio is on the east coast.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: digi on Fri, 04 December 2015, 22:25:55
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If you were on the West Side (best side) I would help you out, but you're stuck in the East 1999 My Nina's

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/E_1999_Eternal_cover.jpg)


mfw digi thinks Ohio is on the east coast.

He's in Cleveland Ohio, Bone Thugs territory, come on Hoffanato.. don't let me down..
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 December 2015, 22:29:25
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If you were on the West Side (best side) I would help you out, but you're stuck in the East 1999 My Nina's

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/E_1999_Eternal_cover.jpg)


mfw digi thinks Ohio is on the east coast.

He's in Cleveland Ohio, Bone Thugs territory, come on Hoffanato.. don't let me down..

I'm guessing that's a reference to some facet of "rap" or "hip-hop" culture.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: digi on Fri, 04 December 2015, 22:30:15
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If you were on the West Side (best side) I would help you out, but you're stuck in the East 1999 My Nina's

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/E_1999_Eternal_cover.jpg)


mfw digi thinks Ohio is on the east coast.

He's in Cleveland Ohio, Bone Thugs territory, come on Hoffanato.. don't let me down..

I'm guessing that's a reference to some facet of "rap" or "hip-hop" culture.

haha, how did you not listen to Bone?? I'm getting old...ugh
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 December 2015, 22:32:24
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If you were on the West Side (best side) I would help you out, but you're stuck in the East 1999 My Nina's

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/E_1999_Eternal_cover.jpg)


mfw digi thinks Ohio is on the east coast.

He's in Cleveland Ohio, Bone Thugs territory, come on Hoffanato.. don't let me down..

I'm guessing that's a reference to some facet of "rap" or "hip-hop" culture.

haha, how did you not listen to Bone?? I'm getting old...ugh

Because I was listening to Led Zeppelin at that time.

It has nothing to do with age, my friend.  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 04 December 2015, 23:01:20
I'll meet y'all at the crossroads (of America [which is Indiana]).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 04 December 2015, 23:12:29
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If you were on the West Side (best side) I would help you out, but you're stuck in the East 1999 My Nina's

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/E_1999_Eternal_cover.jpg)


mfw digi thinks Ohio is on the east coast.
Nah, Cleveland's east side vs. west side is a bit of a rivalry. West siders are grumpy all the time because the sun is always in their eyes on the way to and from work.

I'm old enough to remember Bone Thugs 'n' Harmony (I graduated in '99), but I don't think I could name even one of their songs. My buddies and I were listening to and making punk rock at that time.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 04 December 2015, 23:13:53
I'll meet y'all at the crossroads (of America [which is Indiana]).
Crossroads of America, what a great slogan. May as well be, "Indiana: Drive through us to get somewhere cool!"
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: digi on Fri, 04 December 2015, 23:15:21
this was the hardest track back in the day


Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 04 December 2015, 23:28:35
I'll meet y'all at the crossroads (of America [which is Indiana]).
Crossroads of America, what a great slogan. May as well be, "Indiana: Drive through us to get somewhere cool!"

I have always characterized Indiana as the place you pass through on your way to somewhere else.

But don't get me started in Ohio's obsession with being the birthplace of flight...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 December 2015, 23:38:59
I'm grateful for any help I end up with. Worst case scenario I'll have to box up about 130 sets on my own, could be worse.

If you were on the West Side (best side) I would help you out, but you're stuck in the East 1999 My Nina's

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/E_1999_Eternal_cover.jpg)


mfw digi thinks Ohio is on the east coast.
Nah, Cleveland's east side vs. west side is a bit of a rivalry. West siders are grumpy all the time because the sun is always in their eyes on the way to and from work.

I'm old enough to remember Bone Thugs 'n' Harmony (I graduated in '99), but I don't think I could name even one of their songs. My buddies and I were listening to and making punk rock at that time.

TIL. Though I think the whole driving into the sun thing is a thing in every city, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 04 December 2015, 23:49:12
I'll meet y'all at the crossroads (of America [which is Indiana]).
Crossroads of America, what a great slogan. May as well be, "Indiana: Drive through us to get somewhere cool!"

I have always characterized Indiana as the place you pass through on your way to somewhere else.

But don't get me started in Ohio's obsession with being the birthplace of flight...
Yep we invented flight because it's the fastest way out of Ohio.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 05 December 2015, 00:23:40
TIL: Kitty Hawk is actually in Ohio.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: skullydazed on Sat, 05 December 2015, 02:42:20
mfw digi thinks Ohio is on the east coast.

Obviously it's because any state that doesn't touch the Pacific ocean is on the east coast.  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 05 December 2015, 08:56:19
TIL: Kitty Hawk is actually in Ohio.

Breh.  Birthplace of flight.  Wright brothers are from Ohio.  Which IMO is more important than where they happened to do the flying - but that's just me.  ;)

Also there were more presidents born or raised in Ohio than any other state.

It's also got the only non-rectangular state flag.

I did a report on Ohio in 5th grade.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 05 December 2015, 09:03:21
TIL: Kitty Hawk is actually in Ohio.

Breh.  Birthplace of flight.  Wright brothers are from Ohio.  Which IMO is more important than where they happened to do the flying - but that's just me.  ;)

Also there were more presidents born or raised in Ohio than any other state.

It's also got the only non-rectangular state flag.

I did a report on Ohio in 5th grade.
John Glenn is also from Ohio. That's why we have the NASA Glenn Research Center here in Cleveland.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: digi on Sat, 05 December 2015, 09:03:33
I did a report on Ohio in 5th grade.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dn6-WnjzgIo/T06V-mV8VLI/AAAAAAAAABA/FpIQ_eLPn0U/s1600/watchout+copy.jpg)

<3
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 05 December 2015, 09:05:00
TIL: Kitty Hawk is actually in Ohio.

Breh.  Birthplace of flight.  Wright brothers are from Ohio.  Which IMO is more important than where they happened to do the flying - but that's just me.  ;)

Also there were more presidents born or raised in Ohio than any other state.

It's also got the only non-rectangular state flag.

I did a report on Ohio in 5th grade.
John Glenn is also from Ohio. That's why we have the NASA Glenn Research Center here in Cleveland.

Also have the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which is pretty neat.  :thumb:

I did a report on Ohio in 5th grade.

Show Image
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dn6-WnjzgIo/T06V-mV8VLI/AAAAAAAAABA/FpIQ_eLPn0U/s1600/watchout+copy.jpg)


<3

LOL.  fite me, digi.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 05 December 2015, 09:05:14
I did a report on Ohio in 5th grade.

Show Image
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dn6-WnjzgIo/T06V-mV8VLI/AAAAAAAAABA/FpIQ_eLPn0U/s1600/watchout+copy.jpg)


<3
I did a report in Ohio in the 5th grade. Probably.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 05 December 2015, 10:34:36
My paternal grandfather's family is all from Ohio. He and his buddy ran away to Texas at age 16 to be cowboys. True story.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 05 December 2015, 11:00:22
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 05 December 2015, 11:01:04
My paternal grandfather's family is all from Ohio. He and his buddy ran away to Texas at age 16 to be cowboys. True story.
So did they become cowboys?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 05 December 2015, 12:00:26
My paternal grandfather's family is all from Ohio. He and his buddy ran away to Texas at age 16 to be cowboys. True story.
So did they become cowboys?

Yes, they did. :D

My grandfather had driven from Ohio in a Model T (this was in the late 1930's), and he sold it for the salvage value, $10, when he got to Texas. He bought a cowboy hat for -- you guessed it $10. They worked on a ranch near Junction, TX for about a year, then they hitchhiked back to Ohio. My grandfather joined the Army Air Corps a couple years later when the war broke out, and was a P-47 pilot. Funnily enough, he did his pilot training in Brady, TX, and that's where he met and fell in love with my grandmother. She was about 14 or 15 at the time. After the war, he returned to Texas and married his true love. They are still together, and they now live in New Mexico. :)

My grandfather is a pretty smart fellow for a high school dropout.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: sean on Sat, 05 December 2015, 12:27:47
My paternal grandfather's family is all from Ohio. He and his buddy ran away to Texas at age 16 to be cowboys. True story.
So did they become cowboys?

Yes, they did. :D

My grandfather had driven from Ohio in a Model T (this was in the late 1930's), and he sold it for the salvage value, $10, when he got to Texas. He bought a cowboy hat for -- you guessed it $10. They worked on a ranch near Junction, TX for about a year, then they hitchhiked back to Ohio. My grandfather joined the Army Air Corps a couple years later when the war broke out, and was a P-47 pilot. Funnily enough, he did his pilot training in Brady, TX, and that's where he met and fell in love with my grandmother. She was about 14 or 15 at the time. After the war, he returned to Texas and married his true love. They are still together, and they now live in New Mexico. :)

My grandfather is a pretty smart fellow for a high school dropout.

The fact that he sold his car to buy a hat is the best part of the story.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 05 December 2015, 13:07:07
My paternal grandfather's family is all from Ohio. He and his buddy ran away to Texas at age 16 to be cowboys. True story.
So did they become cowboys?

Yes, they did. :D

My grandfather had driven from Ohio in a Model T (this was in the late 1930's), and he sold it for the salvage value, $10, when he got to Texas. He bought a cowboy hat for -- you guessed it $10. They worked on a ranch near Junction, TX for about a year, then they hitchhiked back to Ohio. My grandfather joined the Army Air Corps a couple years later when the war broke out, and was a P-47 pilot. Funnily enough, he did his pilot training in Brady, TX, and that's where he met and fell in love with my grandmother. She was about 14 or 15 at the time. After the war, he returned to Texas and married his true love. They are still together, and they now live in New Mexico. :)

My grandfather is a pretty smart fellow for a high school dropout.

The fact that he sold his car to buy a hat is the best part of the story.

+1
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 05 December 2015, 13:49:31
My paternal grandfather's family is all from Ohio. He and his buddy ran away to Texas at age 16 to be cowboys. True story.
So did they become cowboys?

Yes, they did. :D

My grandfather had driven from Ohio in a Model T (this was in the late 1930's), and he sold it for the salvage value, $10, when he got to Texas. He bought a cowboy hat for -- you guessed it $10. They worked on a ranch near Junction, TX for about a year, then they hitchhiked back to Ohio. My grandfather joined the Army Air Corps a couple years later when the war broke out, and was a P-47 pilot. Funnily enough, he did his pilot training in Brady, TX, and that's where he met and fell in love with my grandmother. She was about 14 or 15 at the time. After the war, he returned to Texas and married his true love. They are still together, and they now live in New Mexico. :)

My grandfather is a pretty smart fellow for a high school dropout.
Everyone from that generation has the awesomest stories. We should start a "post your cool grandparents" thread.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 05 December 2015, 14:20:38
My paternal grandfather's family is all from Ohio. He and his buddy ran away to Texas at age 16 to be cowboys. True story.
So did they become cowboys?

Yes, they did. :D

My grandfather had driven from Ohio in a Model T (this was in the late 1930's), and he sold it for the salvage value, $10, when he got to Texas. He bought a cowboy hat for -- you guessed it $10. They worked on a ranch near Junction, TX for about a year, then they hitchhiked back to Ohio. My grandfather joined the Army Air Corps a couple years later when the war broke out, and was a P-47 pilot. Funnily enough, he did his pilot training in Brady, TX, and that's where he met and fell in love with my grandmother. She was about 14 or 15 at the time. After the war, he returned to Texas and married his true love. They are still together, and they now live in New Mexico. :)

My grandfather is a pretty smart fellow for a high school dropout.

The fact that he sold his car to buy a hat is the best part of the story.

+1

+2

Can not imagine trading my car for a hat.  That must be one magical hat he picked up, JD.  ;)

Enjoyed the story though.  :D  Sounds like exciting times for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 05 December 2015, 17:45:29
I want to comment so much on the recent turn in this thread, but I don't have time right now.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: mashby on Tue, 08 December 2015, 08:42:28
I refuse to call soda "pop"

Smart man.  Calling a thing something that it is not is silly.  :P

Agreed. It's too bad everyone is wrong by not calling it Coke.  :))

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 08 December 2015, 08:52:21
I refuse to call soda "pop"

Smart man.  Calling a thing something that it is not is silly.  :P

Agreed. It's too bad everyone is wrong by not calling it Coke.  :))


Haha, how did this comment slip over here instead of the Dialect Discussion split thread? I don't even see that post in this thread anymore!

Yeah, people down here tend to use "coke" as a general term. I've said it that way a few times myself, haha, but I feel like it makes no sense, so I try and stick to soda. Some in certain areas also call them "cold drinks."


Aaay, po boys! Ya see that on the map? We're like the ONLY state that calls sub sandwiches something that is completely different from everyone else, but only true po boys, not Subway sandwiches, haha.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 08 December 2015, 16:12:25
My paternal grandfather's family is all from Ohio. He and his buddy ran away to Texas at age 16 to be cowboys. True story.
So did they become cowboys?

Yes, they did. :D

My grandfather had driven from Ohio in a Model T (this was in the late 1930's), and he sold it for the salvage value, $10, when he got to Texas. He bought a cowboy hat for -- you guessed it $10. They worked on a ranch near Junction, TX for about a year, then they hitchhiked back to Ohio. My grandfather joined the Army Air Corps a couple years later when the war broke out, and was a P-47 pilot. Funnily enough, he did his pilot training in Brady, TX, and that's where he met and fell in love with my grandmother. She was about 14 or 15 at the time. After the war, he returned to Texas and married his true love. They are still together, and they now live in New Mexico. :)

My grandfather is a pretty smart fellow for a high school dropout.

The fact that he sold his car to buy a hat is the best part of the story.

+1

+2

Can not imagine trading my car for a hat.  That must be one magical hat he picked up, JD.  ;)

Enjoyed the story though.  :D  Sounds like exciting times for sure.

That is a pretty awesome thing to do though

Sounds like something out of an exploitation movie
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:10:21
Hey all, just checking in. Nothing new to report since my last update, which means things should still be right on schedule for a late December/early January ship date.

It feels kind of weird posting an "update" that doesn't update anything, but I just don't want to leave anyone to wonder what's going on.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: joey on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:11:10
It feels kind of weird posting an "update" that doesn't update anything, but I just don't want to leave anyone to wonder what's going on.

I, for one, am fine with non-update updates.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:31:21
Hey all, just checking in. Nothing new to report since my last update, which means things should still be right on schedule for a late December/early January ship date.

It feels kind of weird posting an "update" that doesn't update anything, but I just don't want to leave anyone to wonder what's going on.

I am totally looking forward to these delicious, delicious caps. I can't wait, man! I also can't wait to try the very divisive DSA infinity blanks. :o Seeing as I've never typed on DSA before, aside from a single Deskthority DT cap courtesy of skullydazed, it'll either be a real treat or I'll have a bad time and all the DSA stems are going to break off in my keyboard if not just yank my hotswap switches out of their sockets (which is no cakewalk, mind you!).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 14 December 2015, 16:42:20
Hey all, just checking in. Nothing new to report since my last update, which means things should still be right on schedule for a late December/early January ship date.

It feels kind of weird posting an "update" that doesn't update anything, but I just don't want to leave anyone to wonder what's going on.

*Non-updates* are much appreciated.  People get nervous when there is silence for extended periods of time, even when the silence falls well within the stated timeline. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 15 December 2015, 19:31:01
Hey all, just checking in. Nothing new to report since my last update, which means things should still be right on schedule for a late December/early January ship date.

It feels kind of weird posting an "update" that doesn't update anything, but I just don't want to leave anyone to wonder what's going on.

*Non-updates* are much appreciated.  People get nervous when there is silence for extended periods of time, even when the silence falls well within the stated timeline. :thumb:

I second.  I'll take too much communication from the GB leader, rather than not enough.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 December 2015, 15:06:15
Just checking in, since I haven't been on GH for about a week and I don't want anyone seeing my "last active" date and getting worried.

I just posted some IRL problems over in the What's Bothering You thread, related to a delay in our moving date and the loss of a close friend to a sudden heart attack, but rest assured neither of those will impact this buy. The funeral is already over and I don't expect to see the caps before our new move-in date anyway.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: Badwrench on Sat, 19 December 2015, 15:07:52
Just checking in, since I haven't been on GH for about a week and I don't want anyone seeing my "last active" date and getting worried.

I just posted some IRL problems over in the What's Bothering You thread, related to a delay in our moving date and the loss of a close friend to a sudden heart attack, but rest assured neither of those will impact this buy. The funeral is already over and I don't expect to see the caps before our new move-in date anyway.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 19 December 2015, 15:12:19
Thanks for the update njbair :). Sorry for your loss.

And my offer still stands if you still need help sorting caps at the end of January.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 19 December 2015, 20:41:40
Thanks for the update njbair :). Sorry for your loss.

And my offer still stands if you still need help sorting caps at the end of January.

I also can make my way over to Cleveland in January, things have slowed down for me, just need proper notice. I know how much a burden the keycap/GB sorting process can be.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: linkshine on Sat, 19 December 2015, 21:23:23
Thanks for the update njbair :). Sorry for your loss.

And my offer still stands if you still need help sorting caps at the end of January.

Can also help, would be happy to
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: sean on Sat, 19 December 2015, 22:27:58
Just checking in, since I haven't been on GH for about a week and I don't want anyone seeing my "last active" date and getting worried.

I just posted some IRL problems over in the What's Bothering You thread, related to a delay in our moving date and the loss of a close friend to a sudden heart attack, but rest assured neither of those will impact this buy. The funeral is already over and I don't expect to see the caps before our new move-in date anyway.

I'm really sorry you lost your friend. Any friend of njbair must have been a good person.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sun, 20 December 2015, 01:37:01
Sorry to hear that mate.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 20 December 2015, 11:04:49
@njbair: Truly sorry about the loss of your friend.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: E3E on Sun, 20 December 2015, 11:08:37
Good luck with everything, nj. Hope your friend is in a better place. Thanks again for hosting this group buy and handling all the heavy work.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 01 January 2016, 02:23:15
Not to be that guy, but will there be extra aek spacebars to buy?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 01 January 2016, 10:03:39
Not to be that guy, but will there be extra aek spacebars to buy?
I ordered a few extras of certain pieces to cover error margins and stuff like that. If I end up with any extras I may sell them, but that will have to wait until all the GB orders are accounted for.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: blodorn on Sun, 03 January 2016, 13:38:04
If anyone decides they do not want theirs I would really like to buy a set with the infinity spacebar. I want to complete my dang board so bad, will pay extra for these keycaps.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 04 January 2016, 09:31:19
Now that people are getting their Alps Party GB parts delivered I am re-hyped on Alpine Winter  :thumb:  Can't wait!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 04 January 2016, 12:01:45
Quick update: now that the holidays are past, I've sent an email to SP asking for an ETA on delivery. I'll keep you all up to date as soon as I hear back from them.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: digi on Mon, 04 January 2016, 14:23:39
Thanks for the udpate njbair!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: sean on Mon, 04 January 2016, 19:22:25
Can't wait to get my set!  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (In Production)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:10:33
Winter is finally here!

(http://i.imgur.com/uDFNK8I.jpg)

In my last update I told you I was waiting for a reply from SP to let me know when the caps would ship. I figured, best case scenario, I would get a reply letting me know they just shipped with a tracking number and an estimated arrival date. But instead I got a reply yesterday letting me know they shipped on December 28, with a tracking number saying they'd be arriving today! Sure enough, here they are. Check it out, yo:

(http://i.imgur.com/HMX0xqP.jpg)

There is much work that still needs to be done, mainly sorting the base kits from individual bags. If I had more notice I would have tried to arrange some Geekhacker help for sorting, but I don't want these caps to sit around waiting for plans to be made. So my wife and I have arranged for some babysitting (thank you, Grandma!), and we are going to tear through these suckers and hopefully get them all sorted this weekend. This means I will likely be able to start shipping early next week for CONUS orders, and get specific package weights and postage costs for international orders.

If you guys are interested, I'll try to grab some photos of the setup and sorting process this weekend. Let me know.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:13:09
Fabutastic! I just got my Alps kits from Blue today, so this is very good news!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:13:12
WOOOOOOOOOO

GLHF with sorting and sending.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:15:40
Yeeeeeeeee this is going well.  :)

Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:17:15
The Year of the Alps is getting off to a grand start!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: joey on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:21:33
Nice!

Now I have to get some switches and stabs..
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:23:14
Winter is finally here!

The Year of the Alps is getting off to a grand start!

That blue is looking really close to blues blue plate  :eek:   Can't wait to build my blue HHKB plate up with Alpine Winter  :-*

YEAR OF THE ALPS, BABY!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: sean on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:24:56
Good luck sorting everything!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: SJHL on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:29:27
Awesome! Thank you for the update. Its already a good year  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:32:42
Oh yeah!! Can't wait to get these on my infinity!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:52:29
Cutty say yeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: E3E on Thu, 07 January 2016, 14:53:43
Siiiick
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 07 January 2016, 16:07:43
YASS!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 08 January 2016, 00:39:45
awesome news! just wished i had picked up some blanks for my monarch!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: shoostep on Fri, 08 January 2016, 00:46:28
These look awesome, as expected!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 08 January 2016, 07:04:02
Looking good!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: Lurch on Fri, 08 January 2016, 07:06:23
Oh, my, goodness, YES.

Many thanks for this, njbair.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 08 January 2016, 09:50:02
Thank you for all you do! And your wife too!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 08 January 2016, 10:31:27
Oh boy, I wish I had bought the novelties as well!

Thanks for your hard work!

Say thanks to Grandma from all of us too haha!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:12:23
Can't wait for a shot of a full set.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:25:25
Can't wait for a shot of a full set.
This brings up an interesting dilemma. I had promised myself not to play with my personal sets until I had everyone else's sorted out. But if you guys are antsy for some glamour shots, maybe I can justify some self-indulgence later tonight.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: sean on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:31:31
Can't wait for a shot of a full set.
This brings up an interesting dilemma. I had promised myself not to play with my personal sets until I had everyone else's sorted out. But if you guys are antsy for some glamour shots, maybe I can justify some self-indulgence later tonight.
That's silly talk of course we want glamour shots!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 08 January 2016, 19:13:27

Can't wait for a shot of a full set.
This brings up an interesting dilemma. I had promised myself not to play with my personal sets until I had everyone else's sorted out. But if you guys are antsy for some glamour shots, maybe I can justify some self-indulgence later tonight.
That's silly talk of course we want glamour shots!

+1
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: braidn on Fri, 08 January 2016, 19:14:10

Can't wait for a shot of a full set.
This brings up an interesting dilemma. I had promised myself not to play with my personal sets until I had everyone else's sorted out. But if you guys are antsy for some glamour shots, maybe I can justify some self-indulgence later tonight.
That's silly talk of course we want glamour shots!

+1

and another +1
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 08 January 2016, 20:46:47

Can't wait for a shot of a full set.
This brings up an interesting dilemma. I had promised myself not to play with my personal sets until I had everyone else's sorted out. But if you guys are antsy for some glamour shots, maybe I can justify some self-indulgence later tonight.
That's silly talk of course we want glamour shots!

+1

and another +1

AND ANOTHER ONE
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 08 January 2016, 21:10:25
Lets see it! Especially with that beautiful blue plate  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 08 January 2016, 23:28:43

Can't wait for a shot of a full set.
This brings up an interesting dilemma. I had promised myself not to play with my personal sets until I had everyone else's sorted out. But if you guys are antsy for some glamour shots, maybe I can justify some self-indulgence later tonight.
That's silly talk of course we want glamour shots!

+1

and another +1

AND ANOTHER ONE

Lets see it! Especially with that beautiful blue plate  :cool:

It's settled, then! I'll take a break after sorting the base kits to populate my blue Alps Party HHKB, and do my best to get some fancy shots posted by tomorrow evening. Can't wait!!!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 09 January 2016, 13:33:50
Sorting update: We are well underway with the sorting process. As a huge bonus, the base kits arrived pre-sorted. I had figured on receiving separate bags full of Q's, W's, E's, etc., and having to assemble all the base kits manually. It turns out SP already did that part for us, which is a huge time savings.

The bad news is, we've got some mistakes with the spacebar add-on kit orders. Long story short, none of the three add-on spacebar kits are complete. We only have the blue spacebars for the AEKII and Infinity add-on kits, and only the 6.25U for the blue add-on kits. I'll connect with SP via email shortly and get to the bottom of this. Rest assured, the order I placed was correct, and this fact is well-documented. So I expect SP to make good on this error ASAP, just as they did with Badwrench's modifiers.

The good news is, if you did not order any add-on spacebar packs your order will be assembled in full by the end of the day today, which means I can start shipping those orders early this week. If you ordered spacebar add-ons, I can ship your incomplete order as-is if you are willing to pay separate shipping for the add-ons later. It's extra work, but I know you guys are all getting your Alps Party boards in the mail right now and it seems silly to let a board sit there without caps because of some spare spacebars that you probably don't even need right away. If you want me to ship your spacebars later, shoot me a PM and I'll get you sorted out.

Finally, here's a quick video of our sorting setup:


Stay tuned later today for some glamour shots!!!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 09 January 2016, 14:22:33
Sorting update: We are well underway with the sorting process. As a huge bonus, the base kits arrived pre-sorted. I had figured on receiving separate bags full of Q's, W's, E's, etc., and having to assemble all the base kits manually. It turns out SP already did that part for us, which is a huge time savings.

The bad news is, we've got some mistakes with the spacebar add-on kit orders. Long story short, none of the three add-on spacebar kits are complete. We only have the blue spacebars for the AEKII and Infinity add-on kits, and only the 6.25U for the blue add-on kits. I'll connect with SP via email shortly and get to the bottom of this. Rest assured, the order I placed was correct, and this fact is well-documented. So I expect SP to make good on this error ASAP, just as they did with Badwrench's modifiers.

The good news is, if you did not order any add-on spacebar packs your order will be assembled in full by the end of the day today, which means I can start shipping those orders early this week. If you ordered spacebar add-ons, I can ship your incomplete order as-is if you are willing to pay separate shipping for the add-ons later. It's extra work, but I know you guys are all getting your Alps Party boards in the mail right now and it seems silly to let a board sit there without caps because of some spare spacebars that you probably don't even need right away. If you want me to ship your spacebars later, shoot me a PM and I'll get you sorted out.

Finally, here's a quick video of our sorting setup:


Stay tuned later today for some glamour shots!!!

LET THE FUN BEGIN!  :D

SP are normally very good at fixing their goofs, i just guess it depends on when they can get the order remade. Being international (with a weak-ass currency) I'll probably wait on them to come in  :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 09 January 2016, 16:39:48
Time for glamour shots!

(http://i.imgur.com/IOnQwdJ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/u5RGYvX.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GyY1yJf.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 09 January 2016, 17:42:50
Time for glamour shots!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOnQwdJ.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u5RGYvX.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GyY1yJf.jpg)


This was going to be my exact setup!

Looks so awesome

Thanks so much for running this Nick!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: sean on Sat, 09 January 2016, 17:50:52
Time for glamour shots!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOnQwdJ.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u5RGYvX.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GyY1yJf.jpg)


:salivating:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 09 January 2016, 18:41:55

Time for glamour shots!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOnQwdJ.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u5RGYvX.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GyY1yJf.jpg)


That's gorgeous! Why oh why did I not get a HHKB plate?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: Badwrench on Sat, 09 January 2016, 19:04:41
Looks great buddy.  Sorry about the error, hopefully it doesn't mess up u thr shipping/sorting too much. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 09 January 2016, 19:15:57
I got the HHKB plate but I wasn't sure when I could find a specific case for it, but that looks really good.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 09 January 2016, 19:20:37
I got the HHKB plate but I wasn't sure when I could find a specific case for it, but that looks really good.
I've had this acrylic TEX case for a while, this is the first build I've used it with that I actually like.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 09 January 2016, 19:45:02
Time for glamour shots!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOnQwdJ.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u5RGYvX.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GyY1yJf.jpg)


Looking good...gimme!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Texchappy on Sun, 10 January 2016, 03:53:41
Awesome news and they look fantastic.  Great day for me and my boards!  Got a tracking number for my Cherokey today as well!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 10 January 2016, 03:55:52
Time for glamour shots!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOnQwdJ.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u5RGYvX.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GyY1yJf.jpg)


Now I regret not doing the HHKB layout.


And that Alps legend turned out awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: braidn on Sun, 10 January 2016, 10:33:50
Sorting update: We are well underway with the sorting process. As a huge bonus, the base kits arrived pre-sorted. I had figured on receiving separate bags full of Q's, W's, E's, etc., and having to assemble all the base kits manually. It turns out SP already did that part for us, which is a huge time savings.

The bad news is, we've got some mistakes with the spacebar add-on kit orders. Long story short, none of the three add-on spacebar kits are complete. We only have the blue spacebars for the AEKII and Infinity add-on kits, and only the 6.25U for the blue add-on kits. I'll connect with SP via email shortly and get to the bottom of this. Rest assured, the order I placed was correct, and this fact is well-documented. So I expect SP to make good on this error ASAP, just as they did with Badwrench's modifiers.

The good news is, if you did not order any add-on spacebar packs your order will be assembled in full by the end of the day today, which means I can start shipping those orders early this week. If you ordered spacebar add-ons, I can ship your incomplete order as-is if you are willing to pay separate shipping for the add-ons later. It's extra work, but I know you guys are all getting your Alps Party boards in the mail right now and it seems silly to let a board sit there without caps because of some spare spacebars that you probably don't even need right away. If you want me to ship your spacebars later, shoot me a PM and I'll get you sorted out.

Finally, here's a quick video of our sorting setup:


Stay tuned later today for some glamour shots!!!

If you need to sell some of those blue Infinity spacebars to have some funds to deal with the replacement/issues I am down for a couple.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 10 January 2016, 10:39:22
Sorting update: We are well underway with the sorting process. As a huge bonus, the base kits arrived pre-sorted. I had figured on receiving separate bags full of Q's, W's, E's, etc., and having to assemble all the base kits manually. It turns out SP already did that part for us, which is a huge time savings.

The bad news is, we've got some mistakes with the spacebar add-on kit orders. Long story short, none of the three add-on spacebar kits are complete. We only have the blue spacebars for the AEKII and Infinity add-on kits, and only the 6.25U for the blue add-on kits. I'll connect with SP via email shortly and get to the bottom of this. Rest assured, the order I placed was correct, and this fact is well-documented. So I expect SP to make good on this error ASAP, just as they did with Badwrench's modifiers.

The good news is, if you did not order any add-on spacebar packs your order will be assembled in full by the end of the day today, which means I can start shipping those orders early this week. If you ordered spacebar add-ons, I can ship your incomplete order as-is if you are willing to pay separate shipping for the add-ons later. It's extra work, but I know you guys are all getting your Alps Party boards in the mail right now and it seems silly to let a board sit there without caps because of some spare spacebars that you probably don't even need right away. If you want me to ship your spacebars later, shoot me a PM and I'll get you sorted out.

Finally, here's a quick video of our sorting setup:


Stay tuned later today for some glamour shots!!!

If you need to sell some of those blue Infinity spacebars to have some funds to deal with the replacement/issues I am down for a couple.
Thanks for the offer, but again, this is a simple vendor error which I fully expect SP to correct at no charge. Also, I don't have any extras, just incomplete sets.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 10 January 2016, 14:17:32
Time for glamour shots!

Awesome! Thanks for putting the shots up, I will end up with exactly the same build, just a silver TEX case  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: E3E on Sun, 10 January 2016, 16:26:37
Time for glamour shots!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOnQwdJ.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u5RGYvX.jpg)


Show Image
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Oh my goodness, the colors came out so  well on this set! I'm so happy to have contributed to what became the final color scheme of this sick wintery set. It really looks fantastic, and I can't wait to have them! Thanks again for all your hard work here, nj, and for running this GB in the first place!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: SJHL on Sun, 10 January 2016, 18:00:50
Wow, the set looks great with the blue plate. Can't wait to get mine!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 10 January 2016, 18:41:22
I'm surprised by how many people it seems went for the HHKB layout

Glad I did :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 10 January 2016, 20:24:59
I'm surprised by how many people it seems went for the HHKB layout

Glad I did :)
I almost didn't get this layout. The idea of sacrificing 3 modifier keys on an already compact board always seemed silly to me. I had ordered a Dell ANSI kit (as a showpiece for standard keycap sets) and an Infinity kit (all the benefits of the HHKB layout without the missing keys), and I was fine with that. But the more I thought about it, I decided I really do like the look of the HHKB bottom row. It just has character.

I added a 3rd kit in the HHKB layout at the last minute, and since the plate would be more exposed in this one I got the powdercoat option as well. By the time the kits finally arrived, the HHKB was the one I was most excited about.

I already have a hasu Alps 60% from round 2 with one of nubbinator's AEKII plates and stock Apple keycaps. I also have two Infinities, one of them Alps. So I really didn't need another Alps 60%, but the HHKB called out to me.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 10 January 2016, 20:43:52
I'm surprised by how many people it seems went for the HHKB layout

Glad I did :)

HHKB layout/mapping is just perfect for me. I got it set up on KUL (via the dipswitches) and I've programmed it on my new Compact SQ (with split backspace) :D

When my CF-LX comes in I'll have the HHKB format in Topre, Alps and Cheery  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: skaloola on Mon, 11 January 2016, 06:29:23
wow, the powder coating is key on that HHKB plate
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 12 January 2016, 06:01:23
I'm surprised by how many people it seems went for the HHKB layout

Glad I did :)
I almost didn't get this layout. The idea of sacrificing 3 modifier keys on an already compact board always seemed silly to me. I had ordered a Dell ANSI kit (as a showpiece for standard keycap sets) and an Infinity kit (all the benefits of the HHKB layout without the missing keys), and I was fine with that. But the more I thought about it, I decided I really do like the look of the HHKB bottom row. It just has character.

I added a 3rd kit in the HHKB layout at the last minute, and since the plate would be more exposed in this one I got the powdercoat option as well. By the time the kits finally arrived, the HHKB was the one I was most excited about.

I already have a hasu Alps 60% from round 2 with one of nubbinator's AEKII plates and stock Apple keycaps. I also have two Infinities, one of them Alps. So I really didn't need another Alps 60%, but the HHKB called out to me.

The HHKB layout is certainly a charming layout, if a little limited because of the modifiers on the bottom row being truncated, but it's not all that bad, really. I definitely like the pseudo HHKB layout I have on my Eagle, but then it has those extra mod keys. :P

I definitely think the HHKB layout is an incredibly aesthetically pleasing layout because of its symmetry, much like the WKL layout on vintage boards or TKL customs.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: merlin64 on Tue, 12 January 2016, 09:01:50
Any news on when shipping will occur?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 12 January 2016, 09:08:08
I definitely think the HHKB layout is an incredibly aesthetically pleasing layout because of its symmetry, much like the WKL layout on vintage boards or TKL customs.

The actual HHKB isn't even symmetric though!  :P  (speaking mainly of the bottom row, which is usually adapted to be symmetric for MX boards)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 12 January 2016, 13:07:50
Good news. As expected, SP is going to make good on the spacebar error and get them shipped out to me ASAP. Unfortunately I don't know exactly what "ASAP" means, but probably a couple of weeks.

Of the 96 orders placed, 49 are on hold waiting for the corrected spacebar add-on packs. Surprisingly, only two of those people have contacted me so far about shipping their partial orders early. If you want me to box up your partial order and send it out with the others this week, PM me ASAP. Just know that you will be responsible for separate shipping charges for the spacebars once they arrive.

Any news on when shipping will occur?

...I can start shipping those orders early this week.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: digi on Tue, 12 January 2016, 13:31:51
Cool! Thanks for the update NJBizzle!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: axtran on Tue, 12 January 2016, 13:36:46
Any word on when you'll know how many extras you have? :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 12 January 2016, 13:41:36
Any word on when you'll know how many extras you have? :)
I don't have any extra sets. They are all accounted for.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: axtran on Tue, 12 January 2016, 14:35:46
Any word on when you'll know how many extras you have? :)
I don't have any extra sets. They are all accounted for.

Aww okay, thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 12 January 2016, 15:18:58
The shades are a little brighter than I expected from the renders, but I'm not complaining.

Also, I'm guessing that you will not be needing any help with sorting, looks like you have it under control.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: taropaste on Wed, 13 January 2016, 21:46:48
The shades are a little brighter than I expected from the renders, but I'm not complaining.

I agree. They are a bit brighter.

Does you guys have any tips on removing ALPS keycaps? I've already removed them once on my v60 but it was a bit of a pain with the stabilizers. I used a wired keycap puller and just yanked them out. Took a bit of force and I think I might have broken the puller. Am I doing it wrong?  :-[

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 13 January 2016, 21:50:50
Wiggle and pull wiggle and pull.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: sean on Wed, 13 January 2016, 22:39:46
Wiggle and pull wiggle and pull.

It took me a moment to remember I'm on a keyboard forum
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Sorting & packing this weekend!)
Post by: childofthehorn on Thu, 14 January 2016, 10:39:22
Just Beware that the screw holes can snap even while in use. I am guessing that there was a defect in the original plastic piece around there since the others are fine. Mine never left the desk and I only noticed as the feel changed a touch.

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FICICUqhDTsmZLESjvT6N_IMG_20160109_182628.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1300&h=524&dpr=2&q=40)

I got the HHKB plate but I wasn't sure when I could find a specific case for it, but that looks really good.
I've had this acrylic TEX case for a while, this is the first build I've used it with that I actually like.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 15 January 2016, 09:18:35
Good news. As expected, SP is going to make good on the spacebar error and get them shipped out to me ASAP. Unfortunately I don't know exactly what "ASAP" means, but probably a couple of weeks.

Of the 96 orders placed, 49 are on hold waiting for the corrected spacebar add-on packs. Surprisingly, only two of those people have contacted me so far about shipping their partial orders early. If you want me to box up your partial order and send it out with the others this week, PM me ASAP. Just know that you will be responsible for separate shipping charges for the spacebars once they arrive.

Any news on when shipping will occur?

...I can start shipping those orders early this week.

Excellent! I'm excited to get mine =)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 16 January 2016, 13:26:24
Hey all. The group buy gods struck my whole family ill this week (including me) so I didn't pack or ship any orders.

The good news is, the replacement space bars came in. According to the job slips, two of the three missing sizes were produced around the same date as the others, but must have mistakenly been left out. The third one was produced on the 13th and then they expedited the shipping to me.

This means that even if you contacted me about shipping a partial order, I now have all the parts here to ship your order in full and save you the extra shipping. So orders will be packed up and shipped in join order.

My family is mostly recovered now, so I hope to get some orders packed this weekend and shipped out next week. I'll keep you all up to date. Sorry for the delay.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: shoostep on Sat, 16 January 2016, 13:33:56
Thanks for the update, I am glad that you and your family are feeling better.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Tyr on Sat, 16 January 2016, 16:12:04
Awesome news and I hope you all feel better.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 16 January 2016, 16:19:12
Hey all. The group buy gods struck my whole family ill this week (including me) so I didn't pack or ship any orders.

The good news is, the replacement space bars came in. According to the job slips, two of the three missing sizes were produced around the same date as the others, but must have mistakenly been left out. The third one was produced on the 13th and then they expedited the shipping to me.


I'm wondering where they went if they were produced.  Did they go on strike and walk out of the factory?  Fall into an HVAC vent?  Hibernate for the winter?  There has to be a good story here regarding those spacebars.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 16 January 2016, 16:53:05
Those tools were probably just used on another projects so it was held back. No big mystery.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 16 January 2016, 17:11:28
Hey all. The group buy gods struck my whole family ill this week (including me) so I didn't pack or ship any orders.

The good news is, the replacement space bars came in. According to the job slips, two of the three missing sizes were produced around the same date as the others, but must have mistakenly been left out. The third one was produced on the 13th and then they expedited the shipping to me.


I'm wondering where they went if they were produced.  Did they go on strike and walk out of the factory?  Fall into an HVAC vent?  Hibernate for the winter?  There has to be a good story here regarding those spacebars.
I didn't get a story, just a short message mentioning "confusion on the production floor." But they were dated late December, so I'm chalking it up to someone being on vacation before they actually left, if you catch my drift...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:50:38
UPDATE: We got the add-on spacebars sorted into sets today, and boxed up about 50 orders that are now ready to ship this week. I couldn't exactly go in join order, because the boxes I've got on hand were too small for multi-set orders. I've got larger boxes on order now for the remaining orders. I honestly thought I had more time, then the spacebars arrived more quickly than expected. Those boxes will arrive some time this week and I'll start packing the remaining orders and get them shipped ASAP.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sun, 17 January 2016, 21:04:48
Good to hear about your family, oh and the space bars as well
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: sean on Sun, 17 January 2016, 21:45:51
It looks like winter has finally arrived in CT so I can't wait for my AW set :) :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: childofthehorn on Mon, 18 January 2016, 09:28:27
Man, Now I have to build the keyboard! QC and Alps Blues FTW.

Still looking for an Infinity standard or hacker plate. Have Bent plate to trade, but more than happy to buy.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Badwrench on Mon, 18 January 2016, 19:14:52
UPDATE: We got the add-on spacebars sorted into sets today, and boxed up about 50 orders that are now ready to ship this week. I couldn't exactly go in join order, because the boxes I've got on hand were too small for multi-set orders. I've got larger boxes on order now for the remaining orders. I honestly thought I had more time, then the spacebars arrived more quickly than expected. Those boxes will arrive some time this week and I'll start packing the remaining orders and get them shipped ASAP.

Sweet!  Looking forward to matching keycaps.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Tyr on Tue, 19 January 2016, 03:37:06
UPDATE: We got the add-on spacebars sorted into sets today, and boxed up about 50 orders that are now ready to ship this week. I couldn't exactly go in join order, because the boxes I've got on hand were too small for multi-set orders.
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Finally: a reason to feel good about only ordering one set.  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: digi on Thu, 21 January 2016, 15:33:48
I've been checking my mailbox every day for some Alpine brrrrrrr Winter!! :D

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001826315/54741475_dave_chappelle_rick_james_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 21 January 2016, 16:38:48
I've been checking my mailbox every day for some Alpine brrrrrrr Winter!! :D

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(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001826315/54741475_dave_chappelle_rick_james_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg)


He might be holding off on the Dollies and Fn caps.  They're going out to him this weekend.  Each one is a bit different since I was playing around instead of aiming for identical caps.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: digi on Thu, 21 January 2016, 16:40:21
I've been checking my mailbox every day for some Alpine brrrrrrr Winter!! :D

Show Image
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001826315/54741475_dave_chappelle_rick_james_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg)


He might be holding off on the Dollies and Fn caps.  They're going out to him this weekend.  Each one is a bit different since I was playing around instead of aiming for identical caps.

WELL THANKS FOR HOLDING EVERYONE UP....geeesshhhh...ugggghh

:D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 21 January 2016, 17:23:48
It's not actually nubbinator's fault. It's just been a bunch of stupid little irritating things holding me up.

Firstly, as I already mentioned, I was sick last week. So this week I went on to Stamps.com to create my account (it's only free for the first 30 days so I didn't want to do it before I was ready to ship). That's when I found out that Stamps.com doesn't work on Linux. IT'S A WEBSITE GUYS. So I tried a user agent spoofer but still ran into issues. I tried a Windows VM but never got anywhere with getting the printer working. So I'm making arrangements to use the shipping scale and computer at work, but that restricts me schedule-wise. Who ever heard of a website that cares what OS you're using?

In the meantime, I got the bigger boxes in for the remaining orders, and I got about half of those packed up then ran out of bubble wrap. So I ordered more of that and it should be here on Monday.

Since most of the orders are sorted and boxed up, all that remains is weighing and labeling them. I'm trying my hardest to carve out the time to do that this week, but the evenings I had set aside for that earlier this week were wasted on the Stamps.com compatibility issue. And I have family obligations tomorrow and Saturday night.

I'm a bit frustrated because so far in this buy I felt like things were going so smoothly, and now all these stupid little uncontrollable speed bumps have come up and completely deflated my ego. Should I have anticipated the Stamps.com issue? Should I have done more to prepare while waiting for the caps to be produced, like estimating bubble wrap usage? Those don't sound like things a normal person would think to do. I guess just chalk it all up to lack of experience...

So I guess if I could get just one point across to you all, please just know that I am not just sitting on my hands over here. I'm working on getting these things out to you, and believe me it's on my mind all the time. You've all been incredibly patient so far, but I've been on the other side of the table and I know that while we all appreciate good communication, at some point you just want the stupid stuff to ship.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: digi on Thu, 21 January 2016, 17:30:09
You're not alone. If you can figure out how to ship first class from the stupid USPS login, please let me know. I hate their website. Hang in there bud, we appreciate you and your shipping efforts. :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: mashby on Thu, 21 January 2016, 17:44:28
digi is right, you are definitely not alone. Anyone who has had anything to do with running a group buy has been bitten by the shipping gremlins one time or another. For some reason, printing postage akin to printing money and all sorts of companies try to micro-manage that process through Java, printer drivers, etc. Had no idea an OS would be problematic.  :eek:

Stamps.com can definitely be faster, but I opted to just use USPS and save each label as a PDF. PayPal has tools as well that can save you from having to re-enter each address, but their Java implementation may be problematic. Don't know if that helps you or not, but it's what has worked for me in the past.

Regardless of what you do, the fact that you've been so transparent and communicated what's happening with the group buy makes all the difference in the world. Bumps in the road are to be expected and sharing that information with everyone involved allows for everyone's expectations to be managed. Thank you for providing an example of how well a group buy can be run.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 21 January 2016, 17:44:31
There's no rush :)

**** happens and you've been a wonderful GB runner with zero hiccups so don't worry
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: E3E on Thu, 21 January 2016, 18:16:59
You're not alone. If you can figure out how to ship first class from the stupid USPS login, please let me know. I hate their website. Hang in there bud, we appreciate you and your shipping efforts. :D

I know you aren't a big fan of using paypal, NJ, but this is a handy way to print labels and get things out; I use it all the time.

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now

You can print first class labels this way.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: E3E on Thu, 21 January 2016, 18:18:39
I definitely think the HHKB layout is an incredibly aesthetically pleasing layout because of its symmetry, much like the WKL layout on vintage boards or TKL customs.

The actual HHKB isn't even symmetric though!  :P  (speaking mainly of the bottom row, which is usually adapted to be symmetric for MX boards)

This is a good point! The 7u WKL and HHKB-inspired layout is very symmetrical. The 6u is still pleasant though. Having a perfect copy of the HHKB's layout is pretty awesome. :D I can't wait to see some Alps HHKB builds!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 21 January 2016, 18:24:33
As one man you've still put together a faster buy than Massdrop can. I have no beef.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 22 January 2016, 19:32:06
It's not actually nubbinator's fault. It's just been a bunch of stupid little irritating things holding me up.

Firstly, as I already mentioned, I was sick last week. So this week I went on to Stamps.com to create my account (it's only free for the first 30 days so I didn't want to do it before I was ready to ship). That's when I found out that Stamps.com doesn't work on Linux. IT'S A WEBSITE GUYS. So I tried a user agent spoofer but still ran into issues. I tried a Windows VM but never got anywhere with getting the printer working. So I'm making arrangements to use the shipping scale and computer at work, but that restricts me schedule-wise. Who ever heard of a website that cares what OS you're using?

In the meantime, I got the bigger boxes in for the remaining orders, and I got about half of those packed up then ran out of bubble wrap. So I ordered more of that and it should be here on Monday.

Since most of the orders are sorted and boxed up, all that remains is weighing and labeling them. I'm trying my hardest to carve out the time to do that this week, but the evenings I had set aside for that earlier this week were wasted on the Stamps.com compatibility issue. And I have family obligations tomorrow and Saturday night.

I'm a bit frustrated because so far in this buy I felt like things were going so smoothly, and now all these stupid little uncontrollable speed bumps have come up and completely deflated my ego. Should I have anticipated the Stamps.com issue? Should I have done more to prepare while waiting for the caps to be produced, like estimating bubble wrap usage? Those don't sound like things a normal person would think to do. I guess just chalk it all up to lack of experience...

So I guess if I could get just one point across to you all, please just know that I am not just sitting on my hands over here. I'm working on getting these things out to you, and believe me it's on my mind all the time. You've all been incredibly patient so far, but I've been on the other side of the table and I know that while we all appreciate good communication, at some point you just want the stupid stuff to ship.

So from the looks of it, best case scenario, shipping sometime next week. Thanks for putting up with all the issues man, we appreciate it!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 22 January 2016, 22:13:09
Don't feel deflated about the stamps thing.  I went through similar speedbumps with my GB.  Remember the Paypal issues?  Remember how I still have extra stuff?  These things happen, and you can't plan for all of them. 

I'm sure everyone here is excited with anticipation for things to ship, but we aren't impatient.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 23 January 2016, 16:33:46
Dollies and Fns are in the mail.  There may be more than 5 sets that go out to people.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 23 January 2016, 17:07:33
I borrowed the postage scale from work this weekend and I've now got weights recorded for all the packages that are finished. Boxes are folded for the remaining sets and the bubble wrap should be here by Monday.

I've explored my options for shipping label creation and it looks like the best way is going to be too use the USPS web shipping tool. I can pull everyone's info from my Google doc and import it into the USPS address book, so no manual entry which is a plus.

After my family obligations are through tonight I'm planning to spend some time creating shipping labels. I see no reason that I can't have at least some of these sets in the mail on Monday.

I'm super excited to see what Nubbinator has come up with! I'll post some pics when they arrive.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 23 January 2016, 17:09:04
njbair, would you still want me to head up your way to help out?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 23 January 2016, 17:10:57
njbair, would you still want me to head up your way to help out?
I appreciate the offer but the sorting is basically done. SP having all the base kits sorted and collated was a life saver.

We'll have to find some other excuse to hang out soon, though.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 23 January 2016, 17:13:10
Sounds good. Thanks for all your handwork! Really excited for this set
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 23 January 2016, 18:14:08
Dollies and Fns are in the mail.  There may be more than 5 sets that go out to people.

njbair, would you still want me to head up your way to help out?

I appreciate the offer but the sorting is basically done. SP having all the base kits sorted and collated was a life saver.

We'll have to find some other excuse to hang out soon, though.

You guys are the heros Alps enthusiasts need  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Badwrench on Sat, 23 January 2016, 18:51:38
Great news njbair.  I can't wait to see these out in the wild. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Sun, 24 January 2016, 18:22:44
Phew! Finally caught up with all the happenings with Alpine Winter!

NJ you been a great GB leader so far, actually being absent I didn't realize anything went wrong haha, but you handled that really fast and well!
Really appreciate all the effort you've put in to making this GB great  :thumb: Excited to see these puppies coming in! It doesn't usually snow in California, but it's about to!

Now I gotta read through BlueNalgene's thread to figure out why I was sent an ALPS to Cherry MX insert haha.

Edit: As I was peeing I realized DUH it snows in California! I meant to say it doesn't snow in the Southern California :P

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 25 January 2016, 22:56:48
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1460/24592306516_ca4327c3b0_k.jpg)
Nubs! (https://flic.kr/p/Dt8ZWL) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 25 January 2016, 23:12:54

Show Image
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1460/24592306516_ca4327c3b0_k.jpg)

Nubs! (https://flic.kr/p/Dt8ZWL) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr

Oh man! Those are fantastic.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: braidn on Tue, 26 January 2016, 07:16:28
So fantastic! And from the background it looks like you got the stabs to work Nj?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 26 January 2016, 07:21:27
Show Image
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1460/24592306516_ca4327c3b0_k.jpg)

Nubs! (https://flic.kr/p/Dt8ZWL) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
So awesome! I kinda like the soulless dead eyes of the centre one  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 26 January 2016, 08:20:32
So fantastic! And from the background it looks like you got the stabs to work Nj?
Not with the stock Matias wires. I bought a wire bender and some 1mm music wire from a local hobby supply shop and bent my own stabs.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: braidn on Tue, 26 January 2016, 09:00:54
Not with the stock Matias wires. I bought a wire bender and some 1mm music wire from a local hobby supply shop and bent my own stabs.

Do you have some pictures of the finished stabs? What wire bender?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 26 January 2016, 09:01:30
Show Image
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1460/24592306516_ca4327c3b0_k.jpg)

Nubs! (https://flic.kr/p/Dt8ZWL) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr

Damn those look fantastic! Unfortunately, I don't think I'm in the raffle....
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 26 January 2016, 09:10:53
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Nubs! (https://flic.kr/p/Dt8ZWL) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr

Damn those look fantastic! Unfortunately, I don't think I'm in the raffle....

I've got two shots to win, but I've never won any raffles so I'm not holding my breath. :P
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: shoostep on Tue, 26 January 2016, 09:52:59
Show Image
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Nubs! (https://flic.kr/p/Dt8ZWL) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr

Wow, these nubs are epic! I hope the raffle gods bless me with some luck.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: kennardsmith on Tue, 26 January 2016, 17:26:06
I'm filled with deep regret not buying blanks now that I have my happy hacking alps board all built ;_;

Super excited for my order, tho!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Texchappy on Wed, 27 January 2016, 02:13:04
What Pexon cable do you think would go best with this set?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 28 January 2016, 21:28:04
After some furnace trouble earlier this week, I've finally made some time tonight to make some shipping labels! I'm starting with the US orders. Then once I get all those labels created I'll do the international orders and send out invoices for international shipping. But the first wave of US orders will go out tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Badwrench on Thu, 28 January 2016, 21:37:53
After some furnace trouble earlier this week, I've finally made some time tonight to make some shipping labels! I'm starting with the US orders. Then once I get all those labels created I'll do the international orders and send out invoices for international shipping. But the first wave of US orders will go out tomorrow.

Sweet! 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 29 January 2016, 01:17:03
After some furnace trouble earlier this week, I've finally made some time tonight to make some shipping labels! I'm starting with the US orders. Then once I get all those labels created I'll do the international orders and send out invoices for international shipping. But the first wave of US orders will go out tomorrow.

I cant wait!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Fri, 29 January 2016, 01:57:27
Wooooh!  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 29 January 2016, 09:55:18
I sure hope I'm in that first wave of US shipping =)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: kennardsmith on Fri, 29 January 2016, 22:47:15
After some furnace trouble earlier this week, I've finally made some time tonight to make some shipping labels! I'm starting with the US orders. Then once I get all those labels created I'll do the international orders and send out invoices for international shipping. But the first wave of US orders will go out tomorrow.

 :llama:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 30 January 2016, 08:34:10
So the first batch of orders made it out yesterday. I haven't emailed out the tracking info yet but they are in the mail.

In other news, I broke a stem yesterday while pulling caps. Fortunately it was a modifier key so I can steal a replacement from my other set which I'm pairing with Badwrench's mods.

PSA: Please, please take care removing these things, especially if you are new to Alps. DO NOT rock the key puller back and forth to jiggle the cap loose. Take your time and try to minimize your cap swapping. Take Badwrench's advice and use a loose Alps switch to break in each cap and remove any excess flashing before mounting to their final home. Remember, I do not have any spare sets or replacement keys.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: braidn on Sat, 30 January 2016, 08:54:30
Double down on the above. I have broken one of my badwrench tabs. Thankfully I have the one that isn't the correct font but, yeah. Everyone be super careful
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 30 January 2016, 10:12:30
In other news, I broke a stem yesterday while pulling caps. Fortunately it was a modifier key so I can steal a replacement from my other set which I'm pairing with Badwrench's mods.

PSA: Please, please take care removing these things, especially if you are new to Alps. DO NOT rock the key puller back and forth to jiggle the cap loose. Take your time and try to minimize your cap swapping. Take Badwrench's advice and use a loose Alps switch to break in each cap and remove any excess flashing before mounting to their final home. Remember, I do not have any spare sets or replacement keys.

Ouch, that sucks.  That's part of why I wish SP used a more robust solid stem with a chamfered lip. 

And definitely want to reinforce that with pulling caps.  The only time I have even broken a stem with Alps is when I've rocked the cap when pulling it.  Just you a constant gentle pressure to pull it.

Filling the stem with epoxy putty and lubing the stem (like some people have done with MX Clears) might help if it seems like it's still a problem.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 30 January 2016, 11:45:15
In other news, I broke a stem yesterday while pulling caps. Fortunately it was a modifier key so I can steal a replacement from my other set which I'm pairing with Badwrench's mods.

PSA: Please, please take care removing these things, especially if you are new to Alps. DO NOT rock the key puller back and forth to jiggle the cap loose. Take your time and try to minimize your cap swapping. Take Badwrench's advice and use a loose Alps switch to break in each cap and remove any excess flashing before mounting to their final home. Remember, I do not have any spare sets or replacement keys.

Ouch, that sucks.  That's part of why I wish SP used a more robust solid stem with a chamfered lip. 

And definitely want to reinforce that with pulling caps.  The only time I have even broken a stem with Alps is when I've rocked the cap when pulling it.  Just you a constant gentle pressure to pull it.

Filling the stem with epoxy putty and lubing the stem (like some people have done with MX Clears) might help if it seems like it's still a problem.
I like the lube idea. I don't know how the epoxy would help, though. Seems to me like the middle opening could only help with wiggle room.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 30 January 2016, 11:52:25
My logic there is that it flexes more which weakens it over time.  I could be wrong with that, but it's what I've noticed.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: E3E on Sat, 30 January 2016, 11:53:19
In other news, I broke a stem yesterday while pulling caps. Fortunately it was a modifier key so I can steal a replacement from my other set which I'm pairing with Badwrench's mods.

PSA: Please, please take care removing these things, especially if you are new to Alps. DO NOT rock the key puller back and forth to jiggle the cap loose. Take your time and try to minimize your cap swapping. Take Badwrench's advice and use a loose Alps switch to break in each cap and remove any excess flashing before mounting to their final home. Remember, I do not have any spare sets or replacement keys.

Ouch, that sucks.  That's part of why I wish SP used a more robust solid stem with a chamfered lip. 

And definitely want to reinforce that with pulling caps.  The only time I have even broken a stem with Alps is when I've rocked the cap when pulling it.  Just you a constant gentle pressure to pull it.

Filling the stem with epoxy putty and lubing the stem (like some people have done with MX Clears) might help if it seems like it's still a problem.

Yep, lubing works well for MX clears, either the clear stem itself or the cap's stem.

Lube might work for Alps, but I would indeed make sure to remove all flashing first. You could just do this with some sand paper or a nail file if not with a loose switch.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: sean on Sat, 30 January 2016, 12:02:50
Monday is going to be an exciting day!!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 30 January 2016, 12:10:38
My logic there is that it flexes more which weakens it over time.  I could be wrong with that, but it's what I've noticed.

If you're going to use epoxy, I think it would help to fill in the cavities between the support braces on all four sides of the stem.

(http://i.imgur.com/pSdJg7B.jpg)

In the cases where I've popped a stem, the whole thing came off including the braces. Especially on a doubleshot cap, where the bottom surface is "striped" with both colors, and AFAIK the stem is only really bonded to its own color plastic, thereby decreasing the strength by roughly half. Filling in the corners with an epoxy which actually bonds to plastic would probably help a whole lot.

That said, all of this is probably unnecessary if you do a thorough job removing the flashing, and take steps to limit the number of times you pull caps.

If I were going to go through the trouble to do this, I would probably limit it to the caps that cover case screw holes and/or have stabilizers, since those are the ones most likely to be removed.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Sat, 30 January 2016, 17:21:29
So the first batch of orders made it out yesterday.


Can't wait for Canadian orders to get shipped out  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: merlin64 on Sat, 30 January 2016, 19:31:59
Can it be assumed that if you didn't get a pm, you probably weren't in the first batch?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 30 January 2016, 19:33:38
Can it be assumed that if you didn't get a pm, you probably weren't in the first batch?
Yeah man you're like at the very end. I didn't get that far yet.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 30 January 2016, 23:30:13
Is that a picture of one that has had the flashing filed down? Not quite sure what needs to be removed and how much.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 31 January 2016, 07:10:19
Is that a picture of one that has had the flashing filed down? Not quite sure what needs to be removed and how much.
No actually that's an untouched cap, which I grabbed because I had it handy, just to show the support braces I was talking about in that post.

I would guess the biggest problem areas would include any and all corners on the stem. If I get a chance this week I might try lightly breaking all the corners (the four sides and all around the top) to see if that makes them easier to remove.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: merlin64 on Sun, 31 January 2016, 17:12:01
Can it be assumed that if you didn't get a pm, you probably weren't in the first batch?
Yeah man you're like at the very end. I didn't get that far yet.

Sigh...I guess that's what happens when I'm indecisive and wait to buy at the last minute. LOL. I'll be patient....I promise...I'll try.......

Have you shipped my package yet????? LOL
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 31 January 2016, 17:33:32
Can it be assumed that if you didn't get a pm, you probably weren't in the first batch?
Yeah man you're like at the very end. I didn't get that far yet.

Sigh...I guess that's what happens when I'm indecisive and wait to buy at the last minute. LOL. I'll be patient....I promise...I'll try.......

Have you shipped my package yet????? LOL

Are you going to ask every day? lol... Chill with asking about your package! I'm international so you are going to get it before me :rolleyes:

njbair has enough on his plate!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: merlin64 on Sun, 31 January 2016, 17:46:05
LOL. I'm totally just playing. I understand that shipping takes awhile and as I mentioned in the previous post, serves me right for being indecisive and buying at the last minute haha. Meanwhile I have another ALPS project keeping me occupied.

Moral of the story: Don't procrastinate haha.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 31 January 2016, 18:24:25
LOL. I'm totally just playing. I understand that shipping takes awhile and as I mentioned in the previous post, serves me right for being indecisive and buying at the last minute haha. Meanwhile I have another ALPS project keeping me occupied.

Moral of the story: Don't procrastinate haha.

Hahah  :D

Well I was in the first 50... but the curse of living an hour away from the US boarder.... international status  :mad:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 01 February 2016, 09:39:15
I just finished boxing and labeling another batch of orders. That makes 40 out of 90 sets, almost halfway done. I'll have them in the mail by the end of the day, then I'll try to PM the tracking #'s later this evening.

If you received a PM this weekend and it hasn't updated, I found 4 boxes sitting here this morning that I forgot to take with me to the post office on Friday afternoon. Rest assured your package will go out today with the others. Sorry for the delay.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 01 February 2016, 15:48:20
My set arrived this morning njbair. Thank you for putting this buy together. This set looks AMAZING!  :eek:

(http://l.mashby.com/11XE0+)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 01 February 2016, 16:12:56
Dem mountaintops, though...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 01 February 2016, 16:23:51
My set arrived this morning njbair. Thank you for putting this buy together. This set looks AMAZING!  :eek:

Show Image
(http://l.mashby.com/11XE0+)


Oh I can't wait!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 01 February 2016, 16:25:04
Dang these turned out nice! My sets were estimated to come in today, but seem to be delayed till tomorrow. Its ok, I can wait another day  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: sean on Mon, 01 February 2016, 17:47:17
I got home from school today and the caps were waiting in the mailbox.

Here it is all put together (unstabilized). Apologies for potato quality.
(http://i.imgur.com/mMD9nRK.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LD454mX.jpg)

It wasn't easy getting all of the caps on but I took my time and didn't break any stems. Maybe I'm just crazy but it appears some of the caps on rows 2 and 3 have varying levels of height. Unfortunately I don't have any good way to photograph what I'm seeing. Either way it's all put together and looks really great so thank you very much njbair!

Now to attempt to stabilize the modifiers...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 01 February 2016, 17:53:38
These look darker that I had expected, cant wait to see them in person!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 01 February 2016, 17:55:02
These look darker that I had expected, cant wait to see them in person!
Just normal variance between people's cameras. They really do look a lot like the renders in person.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 01 February 2016, 18:13:18
Apparently my package was either: 1) Left on the truck (but marked delivered), or 2) got delivered to someone else...

rip me x_x
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: sean on Mon, 01 February 2016, 18:16:51
These look darker that I had expected, cant wait to see them in person!
Just normal variance between people's cameras. They really do look a lot like the renders in person.

Yeah that was totally just my camera and the fact that the pictures were taken without natural sunlight.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 01 February 2016, 18:47:20
These look darker that I had expected, cant wait to see them in person!
Just normal variance between people's cameras. They really do look a lot like the renders in person.

I really can't wait to slap these on my Infinity, especially since these were designed around the scheme I had going for my Infinity AND the Alps DCS Modifier pack, of course! :DD
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 01 February 2016, 21:35:26
I got mine tonight.  Time to load it up.

First person to successfully bend a Matias spacebar wire to fit this set and post a guide wins a golden brownie point from me.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 01 February 2016, 21:38:18
I got mine tonight.  Time to load it up.

First person to successfully bend a Matias spacebar wire to fit this set and post a guide wins a golden brownie point from me.
I have bent a 6u one for my self. Will be able to make sure it actually works tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 01 February 2016, 22:12:43
Received mine as well!  These look really good!  Very "Alpine".  I plan to put together everything this upcoming weekend.  Will post pictures.  Really good job with this GB njbair :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 01 February 2016, 22:12:43
I got mine tonight.  Time to load it up.

First person to successfully bend a Matias spacebar wire to fit this set and post a guide wins a golden brownie point from me.
I have bent a 6u one for my self. Will be able to make sure it actually works tomorrow.

I hope it is successful.  Pictures and/or measurements are requested.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: axtran on Mon, 01 February 2016, 23:25:45
I got mine tonight.  Time to load it up.

First person to successfully bend a Matias spacebar wire to fit this set and post a guide wins a golden brownie point from me.
I have bent a 6u one for my self. Will be able to make sure it actually works tomorrow.

It's easier to do ALPS 6U than Cherry ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:08:33
Just boxed up and labeled another handful of orders. I also sent out tracking links for every one I've shipped. Check your inboxes. As always, it may take 24 hours for tracking links to update, but most of the links I sent out today were for orders that I dropped off yesterday afternoon. The rest are going to the post office today.

This puts us just over the halfway mark for shipping. I have another evening's worth of boxing & weighing to do, then I will be able to send out the remaining US orders and shift my focus to international.

For those wondering why I'm doing it this way, it's because international participants haven't been invoiced for shipping yet. I need the actual package weights before I can calculate shipping costs. US postage was easier to estimate since it doesn't change a whole lot based on the destination address. I just weighed similar keycap sets on a postage scale and used that as a reference to get postage rates to a dummy zip code (90210, of course). That means some of you US participants may have paid slightly less or more than your actual shipping (and as it happens, with the USPS' Jan. 17 rate change, pretty much all of you paid less than actual).

I figured this was the most efficient way to handle it without causing further invoicing delays. I'm not sure how other GBs have handled shipping, but it's hard when you don't have the actual product in front of you. I'm used to dealing with e-commerce sites with a catalog of products and fixed item weights, where you just query the UPS or FedEX API and get a shipping total based on the items in the customer's shopping cart and the seller's pre-negotiated shipping rates. It's more efficient because you program the software to handle it for you, but that method doesn't really scale down to a one-off group buy with <100 orders.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Badwrench on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:29:07
Just boxed up and labeled another handful of orders. I also sent out tracking links for every one I've shipped. Check your inboxes. As always, it may take 24 hours for tracking links to update, but most of the links I sent out today were for orders that I dropped off yesterday afternoon. The rest are going to the post office today.

This puts us just over the halfway mark for shipping. I have another evening's worth of boxing & weighing to do, then I will be able to send out the remaining US orders and shift my focus to international.

For those wondering why I'm doing it this way, it's because international participants haven't been invoiced for shipping yet. I need the actual package weights before I can calculate shipping costs. US postage was easier to estimate since it doesn't change a whole lot based on the destination address. I just weighed similar keycap sets on a postage scale and used that as a reference to get postage rates to a dummy zip code (90210, of course). That means some of you US participants may have paid slightly less or more than your actual shipping (and as it happens, with the USPS' Jan. 17 rate change, pretty much all of you paid less than actual).

I figured this was the most efficient way to handle it without causing further invoicing delays. I'm not sure how other GBs have handled shipping, but it's hard when you don't have the actual product in front of you. I'm used to dealing with e-commerce sites with a catalog of products and fixed item weights, where you just query the UPS or FedEX API and get a shipping total based on the items in the customer's shopping cart and the seller's pre-negotiated shipping rates. It's more efficient because you program the software to handle it for you, but that method doesn't really scale down to a one-off group buy with <100 orders.

Sounds good.  Would you like a couple $$ more for shipping? 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:54:42
Just boxed up and labeled another handful of orders. I also sent out tracking links for every one I've shipped. Check your inboxes. As always, it may take 24 hours for tracking links to update, but most of the links I sent out today were for orders that I dropped off yesterday afternoon. The rest are going to the post office today.

This puts us just over the halfway mark for shipping. I have another evening's worth of boxing & weighing to do, then I will be able to send out the remaining US orders and shift my focus to international.

For those wondering why I'm doing it this way, it's because international participants haven't been invoiced for shipping yet. I need the actual package weights before I can calculate shipping costs. US postage was easier to estimate since it doesn't change a whole lot based on the destination address. I just weighed similar keycap sets on a postage scale and used that as a reference to get postage rates to a dummy zip code (90210, of course). That means some of you US participants may have paid slightly less or more than your actual shipping (and as it happens, with the USPS' Jan. 17 rate change, pretty much all of you paid less than actual).

I figured this was the most efficient way to handle it without causing further invoicing delays. I'm not sure how other GBs have handled shipping, but it's hard when you don't have the actual product in front of you. I'm used to dealing with e-commerce sites with a catalog of products and fixed item weights, where you just query the UPS or FedEX API and get a shipping total based on the items in the customer's shopping cart and the seller's pre-negotiated shipping rates. It's more efficient because you program the software to handle it for you, but that method doesn't really scale down to a one-off group buy with <100 orders.

Sounds good.  Would you like a couple $$ more for shipping?
I don't think it's going to be that much of a difference, but I won't know where I ended up cost-wise until I've shipped all the US orders.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: mashby on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:50:20
I'm happy to contribute to covering the balance. There's no reason you should have to go out-of-pocket on this.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:56:26
I'm happy to contribute to covering the balance. There's no reason you should have to go out-of-pocket on this.
I appreciate the sentiment, guys. I built in some extra funds to the GB pricing to cover boxes, tape, etc., and i think I figured high on that, so I just have to see where things end up. The big lifesaver here is that I didn't invoice international orders yet. That would have killed me.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 14:45:17
So after some trial and error, I believe I've found a good solution for the extremely tight stems on these things.

It appears that all of the holding force on these caps comes from the four corners of the stem. So I tried removing two of the corners from the equation. I took a sharp utility knife (x-acto knife would probably be easier to use) and cut a relief on the two back corners of the cap. Here's a pic to show what I'm talking about:

(http://i.imgur.com/QCDn8eS.jpg)

Now the cap is still held in place by the two front corners, and it provides just enough force to keep the cap snug, much like a well-fitting MX keycap.

If you foresee the need to remove these caps more than once or twice, I strongly recommend making this small modification before installing them. A little bit of extra time will save you a lot of grief later.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: flabbergast on Tue, 02 February 2016, 14:53:39
Can also attest that some alps caps (I don't have these yet) are so tight that instead of removing just the keycap, I removed the whole top part of a matias switch. Fortunately I did manage to straighten out the switchplate and put the switch back together...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:04:00
Yeah, it's a problem. The cross shape of the Cherry stem is so much more suited for replacing caps. Supposedly the key is NOT to wiggle the caps, but to simply pull with an even force - you know, like you absolutely don't feel like doing cause you're sure it's going to break it :|
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:06:52
So after some trial and error, I believe I've found a good solution for the extremely tight stems on these things.

It appears that all of the holding force on these caps comes from the four corners of the stem. So I tried removing two of the corners from the equation. I took a sharp utility knife (x-acto knife would probably be easier to use) and cut a relief on the two back corners of the cap. Here's a pic to show what I'm talking about:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/QCDn8eS.jpg)


Now the cap is still held in place by the two front corners, and it provides just enough force to keep the cap snug, much like a well-fitting MX keycap.

If you foresee the need to remove these caps more than once or twice, I strongly recommend making this small modification before installing them. A little bit of extra time will save you a lot of grief later.

I pressed some of the keycaps so hard to try to get them into the slider that the very top parts of the stems started to bend outwardly. The amount of force I put on some of them were a bit risky since I almost broke the stem off my tab key (one of supports are just hanging on but the other three are okay), But for those problem keys I filed down some of the corners and they fit easily. Honestly though once I got them on they are not all that hard to remove. Maybe it's just me but the stock KBP caps were much harder to remove compared to these.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:07:10
Yeah, it's a problem. The cross shape of the Cherry stem is so much more suited for replacing caps. Supposedly the key is NOT to wiggle the caps, but to simply pull with an even force - you know, like you absolutely don't feel like doing cause you're sure it's going to break it :|
Yes but that's only going to do so much. SP Alps caps, and these ones in particular, seem like they're almost too tight for their own good.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:13:53
And here my plan is to first put them on the AEK2 plated keyboard, and then move them to the Dell plated keyboard once I get some proper AEK2 caps...

Oh well, gingerly gingerly...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:14:55
And here my plan is to first put them on the AEK2 plated keyboard, and then move them to the Dell plated keyboard once I get some proper AEK2 caps...

Oh well, gingerly gingerly...
Just do the stem mod I posted earlier. They'll be fine and it's pretty easy, if a little time consuming.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:16:31
[...] Maybe I'm just crazy but it appears some of the caps on rows 2 and 3 have varying levels of height. Unfortunately I don't have any good way to photograph what I'm seeing.

You're not crazy. I'm putting on the caps right now and my 'R' is higher than the 'E' and 'T' next to it. It seems to be the cross on the bottom of the cap is higher than the others around it. I'll make a note of all the ones that have this issue and see if it was similar across runs.

edit: Here's a picture (notice the R and Y keys)

(http://i.imgur.com/4w2K1Lg.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: sean on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:29:25
[...] Maybe I'm just crazy but it appears some of the caps on rows 2 and 3 have varying levels of height. Unfortunately I don't have any good way to photograph what I'm seeing.

You're not crazy. I'm putting on the caps right now and my 'R' is higher than the 'E' and 'T' next to it. It seems to be the cross on the bottom of the cap is higher than the others around it. I'll make a note of all the ones that have this issue and see if it was similar across runs.

This time I took pictures:

Here you can see T is lower than R and Y:
(http://i.imgur.com/P3bWEEw.jpg)

Here is a bottom comparison of T and Y. Y is the closest cap:
(http://i.imgur.com/t5lNRyI.jpg)

As you can see the cross on Y is much taller than the cross on T.

Rows 2 and 3 seem to have varying levels of height to them, but Y, I, A, D, seem to be the tallest and Tab, T are the lowest. I also have one Row 1 blank and one row 2 blank that are shorter than the rest.

Edit: I would like to point out I didn't see your edit before I posted my pictures. I wonder if the same caps are affected on every set?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:32:08
[...] Maybe I'm just crazy but it appears some of the caps on rows 2 and 3 have varying levels of height. Unfortunately I don't have any good way to photograph what I'm seeing.

You're not crazy. I'm putting on the caps right now and my 'R' is higher than the 'E' and 'T' next to it. It seems to be the cross on the bottom of the cap is higher than the others around it. I'll make a note of all the ones that have this issue and see if it was similar across runs.

This time I took pictures:

Here you can see T is lower than R and Y:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/P3bWEEw.jpg)


Here is a bottom comparison of T and Y. Y is the closest cap:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/t5lNRyI.jpg)


As you can see the cross on Y is much taller than the cross on T.

Rows 2 and 3 seem to have varying levels of height to them, but Y, I, A, D, seem to be the tallest and Tab, T are the lowest. I also have one Row 1 blank and one row 2 blank that are shorter than the rest.

Wow, there's definitely a difference there. I'll have to check my board when I get home. Meanwhile, it would be good if others can share their findings as well.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: harlw on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:38:01
Just wanted to check on the status of my order when you get time Njbair.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 02 February 2016, 17:00:05
Incoming Potato!

(http://i.imgur.com/fG2Vt96.jpg) (http://imgur.com/fG2Vt96)

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 02 February 2016, 17:05:19
Double-post GO!

Wow, there's definitely a difference there. I'll have to check my board when I get home. Meanwhile, it would be good if others can share their findings as well.

You may want to reach out to SP as there are a *lot* of keys that are different. In the first set I pulled out the two 1.25 Alps Mountain keys have a different height on them. Looking at the front of the board it basically looks like a roller coaster.

Amazing colors and design, but I think SP totally botched the stems.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: sean on Tue, 02 February 2016, 17:15:40
Double-post GO!

Wow, there's definitely a difference there. I'll have to check my board when I get home. Meanwhile, it would be good if others can share their findings as well.

You may want to reach out to SP as there are a *lot* of keys that are different. In the first set I pulled out the two 1.25 Alps Mountain keys have a different height on them. Looking at the front of the board it basically looks like a roller coaster.

Amazing colors and design, but I think SP totally botched the stems.

Now that you mention it, my left Control cap and right Alt cap are both taller than the rest of the bottom row.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: sean on Tue, 02 February 2016, 17:46:20
Double-post GO!

Wow, there's definitely a difference there. I'll have to check my board when I get home. Meanwhile, it would be good if others can share their findings as well.

You may want to reach out to SP as there are a *lot* of keys that are different. In the first set I pulled out the two 1.25 Alps Mountain keys have a different height on them. Looking at the front of the board it basically looks like a roller coaster.

Amazing colors and design, but I think SP totally botched the stems.

Now that you mention it, my left Control cap and right Alt cap are both taller than the rest of the bottom row.
Oops, I meant to edit but I made a new post

Edit: Here's probably the last picture from me. Low profile shot focused on row 2 which is the worst offender
(http://i.imgur.com/lVKvSbs.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: Texchappy on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:32:48
I was hoping that these would be a bit better.  I've got TaiHao dolch on my V60 right now and it's like the big picture book of English smiles!  Didn't notice it with the original keys that came in it.

[...] Maybe I'm just crazy but it appears some of the caps on rows 2 and 3 have varying levels of height. Unfortunately I don't have any good way to photograph what I'm seeing.

You're not crazy. I'm putting on the caps right now and my 'R' is higher than the 'E' and 'T' next to it. It seems to be the cross on the bottom of the cap is higher than the others around it. I'll make a note of all the ones that have this issue and see if it was similar across runs.

edit: Here's a picture (notice the R and Y keys)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4w2K1Lg.jpg)

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:53:11
This is actually pretty terrible.  Row 1 is good but past that it gets really inconsistent with key profiles.

Compare R to T and G to H.
[attach=1]

See V.
[attach=2]

Compare Q to W.
[attach=3]

Those are some examples.  There are more offenders. :mad:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Orders sorted, pics posted)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:00:05
[...] Maybe I'm just crazy but it appears some of the caps on rows 2 and 3 have varying levels of height. Unfortunately I don't have any good way to photograph what I'm seeing.

You're not crazy. I'm putting on the caps right now and my 'R' is higher than the 'E' and 'T' next to it. It seems to be the cross on the bottom of the cap is higher than the others around it. I'll make a note of all the ones that have this issue and see if it was similar across runs.

This time I took pictures:

Here you can see T is lower than R and Y:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/P3bWEEw.jpg)


Here is a bottom comparison of T and Y. Y is the closest cap:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/t5lNRyI.jpg)


As you can see the cross on Y is much taller than the cross on T.

Rows 2 and 3 seem to have varying levels of height to them, but Y, I, A, D, seem to be the tallest and Tab, T are the lowest. I also have one Row 1 blank and one row 2 blank that are shorter than the rest.

Wow, there's definitely a difference there. I'll have to check my board when I get home. Meanwhile, it would be good if others can share their findings as well.

Just from the pictures, I can notice it on a few of the keys on your board  :(  at least A, V and N seem to be the incorrect height.

Time for glamour shots!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOnQwdJ.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u5RGYvX.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GyY1yJf.jpg)


Thanks SP  :'(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:18:55
Well, guys, I don't really know what to say. It's starting to look like this is a consistent issue across sets, which suggests a problem with SP's molds. And it's not like we have any other SP Alps sets to compare them to.

I'm open to suggestions regarding how to handle this. In the meantime, if you have issues please share your photos in the thread. This will help us determine the true nature & extent of the problem. I'll hold off on contacting SP until we have more data.

I guess it can't hurt to keep shipping out sets. If SP ends up replacing caps we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:28:59
(Attachment Link)

That left alt is up too far in that picture.  Mine was like that.  Was.  I fiddled with it to try to get it to push down properly onto the switch, breaking it in the process.  Super glue holds it a little higher now.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:33:14
Well, guys, I don't really know what to say. It's starting to look like this is a consistent issue across sets, which suggests a problem with SP's molds. And it's not like we have any other SP Alps sets to compare them to.

I'm open to suggestions regarding how to handle this. In the meantime, if you have issues please share your photos in the thread. This will help us determine the true nature & extent of the problem. I'll hold off on contacting SP until we have more data.

I guess it can't hurt to keep shipping out sets. If SP ends up replacing caps we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it.

I think it's wise to hold off on the contact. Historically they have always corrected mistakes that they made - it will be best to verify the issue and get a few sets of evidence pictures from members. Ideally we identify a subset of the keys which could need replacing.

I also agree to ship them out, never heard of SP recalling their 'defects' and hopefully they don't need to re-run the whole set of keys.

Finally, don't you dare feel back about this njbair, you have been a stand up GB leader and you have battled through a lot to get these sets into peoples hands.  :thumb:  If anything, we are sorry for you that you this mis-molds happened  :(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: skaloola on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:48:36
Received this yesterday.

Thanks for doing this group buy.  I really don't know what I was thinking at the time, but I ended up with like 10 spacebars (just 1 base kit).

Something that confused me though is why the spacebars have crucifix (cherry style) stab holes.  I'm still waiting on my matias stabilizers, but I guess thats not a mistake?

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:55:27
Received this yesterday.

Thanks for doing this group buy.  I really don't know what I was thinking at the time, but I ended up with like 10 spacebars (just 1 base kit).

Something that confused me though is why the spacebars have crucifix (cherry style) stab holes.  I'm still waiting on my matias stabilizers, but I guess thats not a mistake?

Thanks
The Matias stabs include Cherry clips, so they will work with these caps. However, the stab wires won't match up perfectly so you'll need to do some surgery on those.

I don't have the time, but it would be great if someone could post a guide on making wires that work with Matias stab kits and Alps Party plates.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:57:49
I just hate that njbair is the sole person that has to deal with this hassle. QA must be really low at SP for something like this to slip by...

Something that confused me though is why the spacebars have crucifix (cherry style) stab holes.  I'm still waiting on my matias stabilizers, but I guess thats not a mistake?

That's the way SP does it. While it doesn't make total sense to have cherry stabs they work just fine.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 02 February 2016, 21:02:47
I just hate that njbair is the sole person that has to deal with this hassle. QA must be really low at SP for something like this to slip by...

Regarding QA, don't forget this is the first set of Alps alphas SP has produced for the community. Who knows how long that tooling has been idle? There's just a lot that's unknown right now, but one thing I'm confident about is that SP will make this right. They always do.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 02 February 2016, 21:29:12
On my first set I have at least one key in every row that's different height, but the 1.25u's are definitely affected as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if several of the other modifier sizes were similarly impacted.

I definitely don't want this to be the last alps keycap gb, so we definitely want to work with them to get the issue fixed!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 02 February 2016, 22:27:16
I just hate that njbair is the sole person that has to deal with this hassle. QA must be really low at SP for something like this to slip by...

Regarding QA, don't forget this is the first set of Alps alphas SP has produced for the community. Who knows how long that tooling has been idle? There's just a lot that's unknown right now, but one thing I'm confident about is that SP will make this right. They always do.

Oh my. This is going to be very interesting. I didn't think a mistake would happen again! Yeah, no fault on SP though; they're pretty stand up folks!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 02 February 2016, 22:29:29
I just hate that njbair is the sole person that has to deal with this hassle. QA must be really low at SP for something like this to slip by...

Something that confused me though is why the spacebars have crucifix (cherry style) stab holes.  I'm still waiting on my matias stabilizers, but I guess thats not a mistake?

That's the way SP does it. While it doesn't make total sense to have cherry stabs they work just fine.

Some old Alps boards use the inverse cruciform mount as well (and costar), so it's not just SP. Tai Hao has done this, notably for their space bars.

In fact, this is the very reason why building an Alps Duck Eagle with LeandreN's universal plate was even feasible for me, because I was able to use the SP modifier pack on the Cherry stabs!

Granted, I did have to stem swap for the space bar, but yeah. :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 02 February 2016, 22:47:13
I just hate that njbair is the sole person that has to deal with this hassle. QA must be really low at SP for something like this to slip by...

Yea that sucks. :(


(Attachment Link)

That left alt is up too far in that picture.  Mine was like that.  Was.  I fiddled with it to try to get it to push down properly onto the switch, breaking it in the process.  Super glue holds it a little higher now.

Lol :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: digi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 09:11:10
If the majority of the sets have issues, SP shouldn't make you ship anything back. This is 100% on them to make right. Thanks for all your work NJ!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: braidn on Wed, 03 February 2016, 11:42:58
Lots of errors in my set, but glad we are on it. If there is anything that I can do to help the process along, just ask. Thanks NJ!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: JimByr on Wed, 03 February 2016, 11:43:30
Kit received and I'll check them later today. Many thanks for the design and the hard work.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Wed, 03 February 2016, 13:15:46
Lots of errors in my set, but glad we are on it. If there is anything that I can do to help the process along, just ask. Thanks NJ!

A big thing you can do for njbair is to take pictures so he has evidence to show SP. Any picture that shows a height between two or more keys will be helpful. Also if you can note what specific keys/rows are problematic, that would be helpful.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 03 February 2016, 13:49:52
Lots of errors in my set, but glad we are on it. If there is anything that I can do to help the process along, just ask. Thanks NJ!

A big thing you can do for njbair is to take pictures so he has evidence to show SP. Any picture that shows a height between two or more keys will be helpful. Also if you can note what specific keys/rows are problematic, that would be helpful.

This.

Please, anyone who has errors, do report this to SP! take photographic proof so that NJ can show it to SP and have them realize that this isn't just a small 1-2 batch issue.

As someone who's ordered a lot of blanks and kept adding more to my orders, I'm likely going to be one of the last batches shipped, so I won't get mine for some time. I'll be sure to take pictures of any errors!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nickheller on Wed, 03 February 2016, 17:16:21
Got my stuff in today, thanks njbair! I am getting ready to get them put on my infinity! Also won one of the Dolly sets!
(http://i.imgur.com/Weqfayz.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nickheller on Wed, 03 February 2016, 19:37:40
(http://i.imgur.com/CPa4lFU.jpg)
Sadly my spacebar is a bit rough, so my wire will need some tweaking or some lubing, or something.

bubble wrap cause i have not put in a case yet :P


Also, these things fit tight! lol. I had to pull a few and felt like i was ripping the switches out
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: digi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:21:41
I have a feeling most, if not all sets will be consistently malformed caps..
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:36:42
I have a feeling most, if not all sets will be consistently malformed caps..
It only makes sense that they would be the same. Injection molding is pretty repeatable. I imagine the issue is that SP didn't realize the height of the cross braces was a critical dimension.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: skullydazed on Wed, 03 February 2016, 22:26:32
It only makes sense that they would be the same. Injection molding is pretty repeatable. I imagine the issue is that SP didn't realize the height of the cross braces was a critical dimension.

If we're placing bets my guess is that they have 2 different alps mounts and one machine had the wrong mold used. I know in my grab bags I sometimes run across MX stems that are strange heights.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: taropaste on Wed, 03 February 2016, 23:37:16

Something that confused me though is why the spacebars have crucifix (cherry style) stab holes.  I'm still waiting on my matias stabilizers, but I guess thats not a mistake?

The Matias stabs include Cherry clips, so they will work with these caps. However, the stab wires won't match up perfectly so you'll need to do some surgery on those.


Sorry for my noob question about this. I have a v60 and all of keys with stabilizers seem to have Matias clips? Only the spacebar has the Cherry clips. So I need to buy Cherry clips somewhere?
[attachimg=1]

I'm also including some photos of the different heights on my keys. To be honest, I think I can live with this. Matias switches are pretty wobbly anyway. Once I got most of the caps on I couldn't notice the height difference as much.
[attachimg=2]
E, R, Y keys are higher. So is the F.
[attachimg=3]
O is lower.

The set does look really nice. I'm happy to have custom caps for my Alps boards! Thanks so much for all your hard work njbair!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Thu, 04 February 2016, 02:34:09
WOOOHH!! They're in!  ;D

I was also one of the lucky winners of the Dolly sets haha. Pretty funny because I've literally have never won a raffle in my 22 years. I'll take more pics tomorrow when I have better lighting and I don't have to study for a midterm :/

Also is there anyway to check the form we filled out? I think I got an ISO set by accident, but I just wanna make sure it was my error and I'm not holding back an international person (Actually that probably means I didn't win the Dolly set HAHAHA)

Thanks again for the great set njbair! Even in the bags they look beautiful  :-*
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 04 February 2016, 07:09:26
WOOOHH!! They're in!  ;D

I was also one of the lucky winners of the Dolly sets haha. Pretty funny because I've literally have never won a raffle in my 22 years. I'll take more pics tomorrow when I have better lighting and I don't have to study for a midterm :/

Also is there anyway to check the form we filled out? I think I got an ISO set by accident, but I just wanna make sure it was my error and I'm not holding back an international person (Actually that probably means I didn't win the Dolly set HAHAHA)

Thanks again for the great set njbair! Even in the bags they look beautiful  :-*
(Attachment Link)
Everyone gets ISO keys. The only add-ons were spacebar kits and novelties. But if you are unsure what you ordered PM me and I'll double check it for you.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: braidn on Thu, 04 February 2016, 08:07:05

Sadly my spacebar is a bit rough, so my wire will need some tweaking or some lubing, or something.


Interesting to see how you change the spacebar stab wire Nick!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Hypersphere on Thu, 04 February 2016, 08:32:50
Just returned from business travel and found that my Alpine Winter set had arrived. They look great. This weekend I will install them on an Alps-switch board and try then out. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:25:04
It only makes sense that they would be the same. Injection molding is pretty repeatable. I imagine the issue is that SP didn't realize the height of the cross braces was a critical dimension.

If we're placing bets my guess is that they have 2 different alps mounts and one machine had the wrong mold used. I know in my grab bags I sometimes run across MX stems that are strange heights.

That's my thought.  And if they haven't been used in ~20 years, it would be really easy to mix that up.  I know we've been hating on SP lately, but I feel bad for this mistake.  :-/  They revive old tooling to give us something we really want, only to have this happen and now they will likely pay for it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 04 February 2016, 21:39:19
I got mine today, and I'll join the circle-hate.

One problem with DCS caps, regardless of mount, is that they don't have a very tall skirt.  You can see the gaps underneath the cap far more prominently than with, say, Tai Hao's ALPS caps or indeed most OEM caps.  This gives you the floating-keycap effect, even if you don't want it.

(http://i.imgur.com/PmXuUag.jpg)

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: digi on Thu, 04 February 2016, 21:42:36
Got mine today, thanks NJBair :thumb: :thumb: Unfortunately mine have the same issues as everyone else. :'(

What did you guys use for stab wire? The wire that came in the Matias set is just about unusable for every cap position except for the space bar (Dell AT101 layout).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Thu, 04 February 2016, 22:15:34
I got mine today, and I'll join the circle-hate.

One problem with DCS caps, regardless of mount, is that they don't have a very tall skirt.  You can see the gaps underneath the cap far more prominently than with, say, Tai Hao's ALPS caps or indeed most OEM caps.  This gives you the floating-keycap effect, even if you don't want it.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PmXuUag.jpg)


Yeah, the floating key effect indeed. Kind of neat, kind of not.

OG Alps profile caps are definitely my favorite, but hey, Tai Hao has crazy MQO. We don't have many options!

Despite this though, I think Alpine Winter looks fantastic, and I can't wait to get my set, aaand see how things will be remedied by SP regarding the height issues with the stems.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: digi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 10:35:11
The colorway looks great btw NJ, the light gray with the blue is 2legit2quit

(http://i.imgur.com/HH9Ekp0.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Fri, 05 February 2016, 19:14:43
This is a beautiful set. Is this same GB planned any time in the future?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Fri, 05 February 2016, 19:36:10
This is a beautiful set. Is this same GB planned any time in the future?

If there ever is a round 2, I wouldn't mind running it to take the load off of nj the next time!  :thumb:

I think the problem, like any Alps cap buy, is ensuring that there is enough interest to reach the MQO we want. Not to be impulsive here, haha. I would love to help though as I think Round 2 cap buys are sorely needed in some cases.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 05 February 2016, 19:37:04
Got my caps yesterday. Thanks again for running this njbair!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Fri, 05 February 2016, 19:49:29
If there ever is a round 2, I wouldn't mind running it to take the load off of nj the next time!  :thumb:

I think the problem, like any Alps cap buy, is ensuring that there is enough interest to reach the MQO we want. Not to be impulsive here, haha. I would love to help though as I think Round 2 cap buys are sorely needed in some cases.

Yes, we need to get more people interested in Matias / ALPS :D I just got my first Matias board today and absolutely love it. Such wonderful feeling switches.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:06:27
Instead of a 60% round 2 I would love to see someone lead a TKL Alps set. I don't think a full board set would MOQ, although I could be wrong... Maybe a TKL set with numpad add-on kit or something.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:21:40
I think a TKL would strike a good middle ground. Those who use 60% can still use all the TKL keys without issue too :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:23:41
I think a TKL would strike a good middle ground. Those who use 60% can still use all the TKL keys without issue too :)
Yep, offer the standard ANSI layout keys, then all other layout support as a big, all-or-nothing add-on kit.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:26:28
I like the idea of the addon kit.  :thumb:
Title: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:01:28
Alright. I got all the keys stabilized on a V60 tonight, all I used were the bars from my matias stabilizer kit, two pliers and the wire cutter from one of the pliers.

I took a bunch of pictures of the process that I'll put up a little later. But the gist is to use a spacebar stabilizer to measure the height you need the final bent stabilizer to be: straighten the ends  to make a U and then mark the new height and bend in. You may have to cut the end a bit as you need to make sure the bar clears the housing.

The pita was the right shift which needs a completely new bent stabilizer. I used one of the 7u's that I won't need, but a 6.25 is fine.

Not too hard, just a little time consuming. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: digi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:11:21
Alright. I got all the keys stabilized on a V60 tonight, all I used were the bars from my matias stabilizer kit, two pliers and the wire cutter from one of the pliers.

I took a bunch of pictures of the process that I'll put up a little later. But the gist is to use a spacebar stabilizer to measure the height you need the final bent stabilizer to be: straighten the ends  to make a U and then mark the new height and bend in. You may have to cut the end a bit as you need to make sure the bar clears the housing.

The pita was the right shift which needs a completely new bent stabilizer. I used one of the 7u's that I won't need, but a 6.25 is fine.

Not too hard, just a little time consuming. :)

Looking forward to your pics. I've been actually using the board with no stabs (other than the space bar). I'd say that the only other key that could really use it would be the 2.75x shift since the caps fit so tightly on the stems.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:33:44
Alright. I got all the keys stabilized on a V60 tonight, all I used were the bars from my matias stabilizer kit, two pliers and the wire cutter from one of the pliers.

I took a bunch of pictures of the process that I'll put up a little later. But the gist is to use a spacebar stabilizer to measure the height you need the final bent stabilizer to be: straighten the ends  to make a U and then mark the new height and bend in. You may have to cut the end a bit as you need to make sure the bar clears the housing.

The pita was the right shift which needs a completely new bent stabilizer. I used one of the 7u's that I won't need, but a 6.25 is fine.

Not too hard, just a little time consuming. :)

So to install these on a V60 (which is what I hope to do if/when the next GB comes along), you need an extra stabilizer kit? Is it possible to use the already-provided stabilizers that the board ships with, or do these keycaps fit totally differently?
Title: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:08:40
Re-bending Alps Stabilizers for use with Cruciform Stabilizer Inserts

Tools Necessary:

Step 1 - Bend the 'C' into a 'U'

Place one plier just below the bend and one right above (I found that the locking plier underneath the bend was easiest for control) and straighten each side of the stabilizer. Perfection is not necessary here, you're looking for "good" not "ammaaaaaazing".

Step 2 - Mark the new bends

Grab a spacebar stabilizer (which just so happens to use cruciform inserts) to mark where your new bend will go. Use a dark colored sharpie and mark both sides of the stabilizer.

(http://i.imgur.com/QPPRpaS.jpg) (http://imgur.com/QPPRpaS)


Step 3 - Bend it Like Beckham!

Repeat your plier maneuver you did for straightening, simply in reverse. Be careful to bend the wire into the same plane as the bottom. Again, it doesn't have to be perfect, but you want it pretty good. Repeat for the other side.

Step 4 - Test insert on keycap

Put the insert into the keycap to ensure that it's long enough. If you didn't mess up the height too badly you should be pretty good.

(http://i.imgur.com/Sps2vFy.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Sps2vFy)

Step 5 - Fit Gap to Switch

Now you need to put the stabilizer onto the board and ensure that the gap is large enough to go over the switch when mounted in the clips. If it isn't large enough simply take out your wire cutters and give the ends a little trim. (I found if you add just a liiiitle height to the sides you don't have to trim).

(http://i.imgur.com/c4puTlN.jpg) (http://imgur.com/c4puTlN)

Step 6 - Mount Stabilizer

Now you can clip the stabilizer to the clips, hook the inserts, and mount the keycap! Depending upon the height of the ends it may be easier to clip the stabilizer after you have mounted the keycap.

Step 7 - Drink a Beer and Admire Your Work

You deserve it champ! :thumb:

The 2.75u Problem

The only tricky key was the 2.75u right-shift on ANSI boards. If you're rocking ISO you have nothing to worry about all your stabilizers should be good (except maybe your ISO Enter).

The issue is that the cruciform inserts on the 2.75u shift key are inset a good deal more than their alps counterparts so re-bending the alps 2.75u stabilizer wire isn't going to cut it. So you need an extra wire. I used a spacebar stabilizer, but you could also grab some piano wire and start from there as well.

The process is near identical except you have to straighten the entire wire and measure the keycap to see the desired length of the inset. Follow around bending the 'C' one angle at a time using the spacebar stabilizer for the ends, and the 2.75u stabilizer for the bottom.

When you've made your last corner you should have quite a bit left:

(http://i.imgur.com/9k1FG9f.jpg) (http://imgur.com/9k1FG9f)

Cut it, and proceed to switch-gap testing.

Other Stabilized Keys

If you have other stabilized keys (say a 6u spacebar) that need new stabilizers this method should work there as well -- assuming you don't want to mess with adding angles to the wire to reduce the length of a 6.25u or 7u stabilizer.


Happy Bending!

(http://i.imgur.com/wnR95mm.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:09:57
So to install these on a V60 (which is what I hope to do if/when the next GB comes along), you need an extra stabilizer kit? Is it possible to use the already-provided stabilizers that the board ships with, or do these keycaps fit totally differently?

Everything but the 2.75u right-shift can be re-bent with no issues. So you'll need to come up with another spacebar stabilizer wire or some piano wire.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Sat, 06 February 2016, 01:40:15
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Re-bending Alps Stabilizers for use with Cruciform Stabilizer Inserts

Tools Necessary:
  • Two pairs of pliers (I used a small locking pliers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locking_pliers) and a needle nose pliers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle-nose_pliers))
  • Heavy duty wire cutter (I used the pair on my needle nose pliers)
  • Alps stabilizers for the < 2.75u keys, and an extra spacebar stabilizer

Step 1 - Bend the 'C' into a 'U'

Place one plier just below the bend and one right above (I found that the locking plier underneath the bend was easiest for control) and straighten each side of the stabilizer. Perfection is not necessary here, you're looking for "good" not "ammaaaaaazing".

Step 2 - Mark the new bends

Grab a spacebar stabilizer (which just so happens to use cruciform inserts) to mark where your new bend will go. Use a dark colored sharpie and mark both sides of the stabilizer.

(http://i.imgur.com/QPPRpaS.jpg) (http://imgur.com/QPPRpaS)



Step 3 - Bend it Like Beckham!

Repeat your plier maneuver you did for straightening, simply in reverse. Be careful to bend the wire into the same plane as the bottom. Again, it doesn't have to be perfect, but you want it pretty good. Repeat for the other side.

Step 4 - Test insert on keycap

Put the insert into the keycap to ensure that it's long enough. If you didn't mess up the height too badly you should be pretty good.

(http://i.imgur.com/Sps2vFy.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Sps2vFy)


Step 5 - Fit Gap to Switch

Now you need to put the stabilizer onto the board and ensure that the gap is large enough to go over the switch when mounted in the clips. If it isn't large enough simply take out your wire cutters and give the ends a little trim. (I found if you add just a liiiitle height to the sides you don't have to trim).

(http://i.imgur.com/c4puTlN.jpg) (http://imgur.com/c4puTlN)


Step 6 - Mount Stabilizer

Now you can clip the stabilizer to the clips, hook the inserts, and mount the keycap! Depending upon the height of the ends it may be easier to clip the stabilizer after you have mounted the keycap.

Step 7 - Drink a Beer and Admire Your Work

You deserve it champ! :thumb:

The 2.75u Problem

The only tricky key was the 2.75u right-shift on ANSI boards. If you're rocking ISO you have nothing to worry about all your stabilizers should be good (except maybe your ISO Enter).

The issue is that the cruciform inserts on the 2.75u shift key are inset a good deal more than their alps counterparts so re-bending the alps 2.75u stabilizer wire isn't going to cut it. So you need an extra wire. I used a spacebar stabilizer, but you could also grab some piano wire and start from there as well.

The process is near identical except you have to straighten the entire wire and measure the keycap to see the desired length of the inset. Follow around bending the 'C' one angle at a time using the spacebar stabilizer for the ends, and the 2.75u stabilizer for the bottom.

When you've made your last corner you should have quite a bit left:

(http://i.imgur.com/9k1FG9f.jpg) (http://imgur.com/9k1FG9f)

Cut it, and proceed to switch-gap testing.

Other Stabilized Keys

If you have other stabilized keys (say a 6u spacebar) that need new stabilizers this method should work there as well -- assuming you don't with adding angles to the wire to reduce the length.


Happy Bending!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wnR95mm.jpg)


You absolutely rock. Thanks for this detailed info :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 06 February 2016, 13:55:43
I don't think any of these pics are doing the set justice, I can't wait to see what it looks like when they arrive.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Sat, 06 February 2016, 16:18:39

I don't think any of these pics are doing the set justice, I can't wait to see what it looks like when they arrive.

They really don't. The blue is nice and vibrant and plays perfectly with the gray.

Someone with a lightbox needs to get some glamor shots in.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: harlw on Sun, 07 February 2016, 07:54:50

I don't think any of these pics are doing the set justice, I can't wait to see what it looks like when they arrive.

They really don't. The blue is nice and vibrant and plays perfectly with the gray.

Someone with a lightbox needs to get some glamor shots in.
Mine is ready as soon as mine land :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: romevi on Sun, 07 February 2016, 17:24:31
There's a board that's Alps-compatible and would finally give me a reason to get Matias Quiet Click, but I kept thinking of which keysets I'd be able to use. TaiHao would be out of the question as the board uses odd caps those sets don't have.

And then it hit me: Alpine Winter. I had almost forgotten about this set. With the blanks, it'd be perfect. I'd love to see a round 2 with TKL offerings.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 08 February 2016, 05:59:05
A lightbox might not be enough. Remember that we'll all be viewing the picture on different screens. It's literally impossible to make everyone see something the same way. That's not even possible in print...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Badwrench on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:13:44
How bout a little cross-posting?  I took a razor to the flashing on each cap and mounted them a couple times each on a spare board before putting them on the V60.  They all mount and come off like butter.  Also, confirmed that R,Y, U, and O all sit a little higher that the rest. 

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=127513;image)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:17:47
How bout a little cross-posting?  I took a razor to the flashing on each cap and mounted them a couple times each on a spare board before putting them on the V60.  They all mount and come off like butter.  Also, confirmed that R,Y, U, and O all sit a little higher that the rest. 

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=127513;image)

Looks awesome with your mods as well. Glad that you posted it this way, I'm going to do something similar on my Alps Party Infinity build. Thanks for sharing!!!

Shipping update: every order is now packed and weighed. I'll produce labels for all remaining US orders tonight and get them in the mail tomorrow. Depending on time, I may send out a few international invoices tonight as well. If not, then later this week.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Badwrench on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:20:51
How bout a little cross-posting?  I took a razor to the flashing on each cap and mounted them a couple times each on a spare board before putting them on the V60.  They all mount and come off like butter.  Also, confirmed that R,Y, U, and O all sit a little higher that the rest. 

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=127513;image)

Looks awesome with your mods as well. Glad that you posted it this way, I'm going to do something similar on my Alps Party Infinity build. Thanks for sharing!!!

Shipping update: every order is now packed and weighed. I'll produce labels for all remaining US orders tonight and get them in the mail tomorrow. Depending on time, I may send out a few international invoices tonight as well. If not, then later this week.

Thank you.  Great job of the group buy, it seems to be going very well. 

As for international orders, you may want to talk to SP about the 4 caps that a bit off before shipping them out.  If they can get the caps out quickly, it will save a ton of $$ on shipping. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:45:27
How bout a little cross-posting?  I took a razor to the flashing on each cap and mounted them a couple times each on a spare board before putting them on the V60.  They all mount and come off like butter.  Also, confirmed that R,Y, U, and O all sit a little higher that the rest. 

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33130.0;attach=127513;image)

Looks awesome with your mods as well. Glad that you posted it this way, I'm going to do something similar on my Alps Party Infinity build. Thanks for sharing!!!

Shipping update: every order is now packed and weighed. I'll produce labels for all remaining US orders tonight and get them in the mail tomorrow. Depending on time, I may send out a few international invoices tonight as well. If not, then later this week.

Thank you.  Great job of the group buy, it seems to be going very well. 

As for international orders, you may want to talk to SP about the 4 caps that a bit off before shipping them out.  If they can get the caps out quickly, it will save a ton of $$ on shipping.
This is a very good point. I just finished creating labels so I can take some time to evaluate my own set and see where the issues are, and maybe compare against others' posts so that I have a starting point to bring up to SP.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:55:23
might be best to wait for international shipments depending on the lead time from sp as they are more expensive. and as a Canadian the dollar really hurts us
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 08 February 2016, 20:07:22
might be best to wait for international shipments depending on the lead time from sp as they are more expensive. and as a Canadian the dollar really hurts us
I will leave this up to you international folks. It's your money and your inconvenience, so who am I to weigh in?

When it looked like the replacement space bars were going to cause delays, I told folks to PM me if they were willing to pay extra shipping to get the caps more quickly. Otherwise I would hold off on shipping until the replacements arrived. Maybe I should do the same thing here.

Let me find out what SP has to say and we'll go from there.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Mon, 08 February 2016, 20:14:58
When you do talk to them again, can you also check what their MOQ would be for a second batch? I'm down for what you suggested earlier, as far as going for a TKL set in round 2.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 08 February 2016, 20:18:12
When you do talk to them again, can you also check what their MOQ would be for a second batch? I'm down for what you suggested earlier, as far as going for a TKL set in round 2.
Anyone who's ever worked with SP knows that communication is precious, so I'm not going to bring up anything that's not directly related to getting these mistakes fixed. We'll worry about round 2 later. Besides, their MOQs and pricing probably haven't changed.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Mon, 08 February 2016, 20:18:59
Anyone who's ever worked with SP knows that communication is precious, so I'm not going to bring up anything that's not directly related to getting these mistakes fixed. We'll worry about round 2 later. Besides, their MOQs and pricing probably haven't changed.

Sounds fair, thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 09 February 2016, 05:02:10
I have no problem waiting for my keys if some stuff needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 09 February 2016, 07:12:38
Agreed. No rush here.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 13:30:21
I can wait, my infinity60 isn't even working yet  :p
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 09 February 2016, 18:20:00
Let us know if you need more pictures for documentation njbair.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 09 February 2016, 19:41:37
Let us know if you need more pictures for documentation njbair.
I can definitely use photos. Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 09 February 2016, 19:46:34

Let us know if you need more pictures for documentation njbair.
I can definitely use photos. Thanks for asking.

Definitely use the ones I've already posted. I can also post some of the issues with 1.25 and other rows.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Tue, 09 February 2016, 20:02:50

Let us know if you need more pictures for documentation njbair.
I can definitely use photos. Thanks for asking.

I can also post some of the issues with 1.25 and other rows.

That hasn't been documented yet so I think it would be useful to add. I'll do the same as well in a little bit.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 10 February 2016, 01:24:39
might be best to wait for international shipments depending on the lead time from sp as they are more expensive. and as a Canadian the dollar really hurts us
I will leave this up to you international folks. It's your money and your inconvenience, so who am I to weigh in?

When it looked like the replacement space bars were going to cause delays, I told folks to PM me if they were willing to pay extra shipping to get the caps more quickly. Otherwise I would hold off on shipping until the replacements arrived. Maybe I should do the same thing here.

Let me find out what SP has to say and we'll go from there.

would much rather wait on the caps still SP sorts them out

new shipping rates are pretty hard to stomach as well
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Tyr on Wed, 10 February 2016, 08:16:14
I will leave this up to you international folks. It's your money and your inconvenience, so who am I to weigh in?

When it looked like the replacement space bars were going to cause delays, I told folks to PM me if they were willing to pay extra shipping to get the caps more quickly. Otherwise I would hold off on shipping until the replacements arrived. Maybe I should do the same thing here.

Personally, as with the spacebars, I don't mind paying extra shipping for the correction keys if there are some.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:26:58

Let us know if you need more pictures for documentation njbair.
I can definitely use photos. Thanks for asking.

I can also post some of the issues with 1.25 and other rows.

That hasn't been documented yet so I think it would be useful to add. I'll do the same as well in a little bit.

Alrighty, first here's the full album (http://imgur.com/a/r1yLb)

And to show the different 1.25u keys:

Here's the low blank 1.25u:
(http://i.imgur.com/cCMkoFc.jpg) (http://imgur.com/cCMkoFc)

Here's the two mountain keys next two each other:
(http://i.imgur.com/cPK0uOy.jpg) (http://imgur.com/cPK0uOy)

Here's an underside shot:
(http://i.imgur.com/5Hvcp9i.jpg) (http://imgur.com/5Hvcp9i)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 10 February 2016, 14:32:13
If this is an issue of the cross sections in the bottom being too high or the stem being too deep, then I wouldn't mind doing some cap surgery to correct these caps. However, if it's an issue of the cap sitting too low... Well, then COULD be corrected, but it won't be as easy.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 10 February 2016, 14:36:27
If this is an issue of the cross sections in the bottom being too high or the stem being too deep, then I wouldn't mind doing some cap surgery to correct these caps. However, if it's an issue of the cap sitting too low... Well, then COULD be corrected, but it won't be as easy.

Pretty sure it's caps sitting low. There are many more caps on my board that are in the higher state.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 10 February 2016, 15:23:18
If this is an issue of the cross sections in the bottom being too high or the stem being too deep, then I wouldn't mind doing some cap surgery to correct these caps. However, if it's an issue of the cap sitting too low... Well, then COULD be corrected, but it won't be as easy.

Pretty sure it's caps sitting low. There are many more caps on my board that are in the higher state.

Hmmm. Being the tinkerer I am, when I get these, I will at least see if I can modify them to stop slouching over like the lazy caps they are. ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 10 February 2016, 15:30:25
I'm sure I'm wrong, but wouldn't a possible and simple solution be to put a little plastic square inside the stem-opening, and then press it down on the stem? It would sit higher, and it would be a permanent solution.
If the problem is that the stem-opening is shorter than it should be, the shorter caps might wobble a bit more, but I've never had problems with Matis switches and wobbling...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 10 February 2016, 15:36:32
To add a little more, if we can choose in later sets I like the lower set keys quite a bit more. They wobble less (the higher cross is preventing the stem from going further into the slider) and the skirt of the cap is lower which is nice.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 11 February 2016, 18:00:26
Got mine today.  Looks way better than the photos and more similar to colors in the mockups.

I also didn´t realize the spacebar mishap meant I would receive twice the amount of spacebars.  Holy cow.  Looks like I need to buy about 10 more Alps-mount keyboards.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 11 February 2016, 19:49:30
Got mine today.  Looks way better than the photos and more similar to colors in the mockups.

I also didn´t realize the spacebar mishap meant I would receive twice the amount of spacebars.  Holy cow.  Looks like I need to buy about 10 more Alps-mount keyboards.

Or sell 'em. ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 11 February 2016, 20:01:53
Got mine today.  Looks way better than the photos and more similar to colors in the mockups.

I also didn´t realize the spacebar mishap meant I would receive twice the amount of spacebars.  Holy cow.  Looks like I need to buy about 10 more Alps-mount keyboards.

Or sell 'em. ;)

Welp, I broke the stem on the one of the spacebars because I was being an idiot while taking it off.  Looks like I'm break them all before I can sell or use them all!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 11 February 2016, 20:08:09
Got mine today.  Looks way better than the photos and more similar to colors in the mockups.

I also didn´t realize the spacebar mishap meant I would receive twice the amount of spacebars.  Holy cow.  Looks like I need to buy about 10 more Alps-mount keyboards.

Or sell 'em. ;)

Welp, I broke the stem on the one of the spacebars because I was being an idiot while taking it off.  Looks like I'm break them all before I can sell or use them all!

;_;
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: manofinterests on Sat, 13 February 2016, 00:28:32
My keycaps came today!

I present to you all my Russian Winter Keyboard!

http://imgur.com/SDWPnPo
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: eksuen on Sat, 13 February 2016, 00:45:09
My keycaps came today!

I present to you all my Russian Winter Keyboard!

http://imgur.com/SDWPnPo

Very cool!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: infodroid on Sat, 13 February 2016, 09:56:00

Let us know if you need more pictures for documentation njbair.
I can definitely use photos. Thanks for asking.

I can also post some of the issues with 1.25 and other rows.

That hasn't been documented yet so I think it would be useful to add. I'll do the same as well in a little bit.

Alrighty, first here's the full album (http://imgur.com/a/r1yLb)


From some of your photos:
https://i.imgur.com/7Vbj4PT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LZcge3h.jpg

...it also seems to me that some of your TAB-row keys are at different heights:

Code: [Select]
                      P [ ] \
          R   Y U I O P [ ] \
TAB Q W E R T Y U I O P [ ] \

It just looks weird and it's not clear to me which keys are at the right height for the row.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: merlin64 on Sat, 13 February 2016, 14:24:22
I greatly regret not getting a blue infinity space bar. Does anyone have a spare they could PM me about? =)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 13 February 2016, 14:29:02
Really nice, I think the gray especially turned out nice, better than TA.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Sat, 13 February 2016, 15:14:17
Some bits about blanks:

(http://i.imgur.com/Tt6smu4.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XJ22RX0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/mBtfReV.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/vZhOOcB.jpg)

As you can see, they seem to sit higher than both OG Alps caps (doubleshots), and the Alps DCS Modifier set by Badwrench.

I think they used the molds that have the caps sitting higher up for EVERY blank cap. I'm pretty sure that most caps in this batch sit higher as well, whereas the odd ones out are the ones that sit lower, though I could be wrong.

Badwrench's caps are definitely the lower-sitting kind, so this in itself creates a conflict among these two sets.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Sat, 13 February 2016, 23:53:38
Some bits about blanks:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Tt6smu4.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XJ22RX0.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mBtfReV.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/vZhOOcB.jpg)


As you can see, they seem to sit higher than both OG Alps caps (doubleshots), and the Alps DCS Modifier set by Badwrench.

I think they used the molds that have the caps sitting higher up for EVERY blank cap. I'm pretty sure that most caps in this batch sit higher as well, whereas the odd ones out are the ones that sit lower, though I could be wrong.

Badwrench's caps are definitely the lower-sitting kind, so this in itself creates a conflict among these two sets.

I have two blanks that are lower on row 1 and 2. I think there is some truth to be said that that just about all of the blanks do appear to be sitting higher.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Sun, 14 February 2016, 01:28:38
I have two blanks that are lower on row 1 and 2. I think there is some truth to be said that that just about all of the blanks do appear to be sitting higher.

I have a bunch of blanks, myself. I need to see if any turn out lower on my end, but they do indeed seem to sit high. Tested the Row 1 number row keys and they also sit higher than the DCS modifier R1 keys. Hmmm. :(

Well, in any case, I snapped some shots of my Infinity, the board that's been a bit of a headache, gave me mild RSI, but also partially (or heavily?)inspired the colorway for Alpine Winter:

(http://i.imgur.com/aYdRanc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Pplfkut.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Kj6E7Ze.jpg)

It's a shame that I really don't use it much anymore. Needless to say, it goes well with AW though.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: braidn on Sun, 14 February 2016, 21:58:04
Just finished modding the wires to work with the crucifix stabs so set is complete and working on a HASU alps64. However, is it me or are all alps as "rocky" as these? Seems like there is a good amount of back and forth play in the caps/connection with the switches. Just wondering if this in my head, if it's an alps thing... or?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 14 February 2016, 22:01:17
Just finished modding the wires to work with the crucifix stabs so set is complete and working on a HASU alps64. However, is it me or are all alps as "rocky" as these? Seems like there is a good amount of back and forth play in the caps/connection with the switches. Just wondering if this in my head, if it's an alps thing... or?

Nah, moving alps caps is normal.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Sun, 14 February 2016, 22:12:23
Just finished modding the wires to work with the crucifix stabs so set is complete and working on a HASU alps64. However, is it me or are all alps as "rocky" as these? Seems like there is a good amount of back and forth play in the caps/connection with the switches. Just wondering if this in my head, if it's an alps thing... or?

My SA caps have more wobble than Alps. I wouldn't say the Alps caps have that much play in them, but then it's been a long time since I've played with a Cherry profile MX board.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 14 February 2016, 22:14:26
Just finished modding the wires to work with the crucifix stabs so set is complete and working on a HASU alps64. However, is it me or are all alps as "rocky" as these? Seems like there is a good amount of back and forth play in the caps/connection with the switches. Just wondering if this in my head, if it's an alps thing... or?
This phenomenon is sometimes called "wobble," and it's not actually the cap, but the slider itself which is wobbly. This is a result of fewer points of contact within the switch housing, which is also the reason why Alps are so smooth.

It's normal and most people get used to it pretty quickly.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: cheddarbek on Sun, 14 February 2016, 22:17:43
I prefer the alps wobble, honestly. Part of why I love Zealios so much too. Dat wobble
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: SpikeBolt on Mon, 15 February 2016, 06:58:12
Can you tell me what's the status on shipping, please? Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: harlw on Mon, 15 February 2016, 12:14:46
Got mine on friday and forgot to bring my dox home with me so just getting to install and inspect today.


There may be some unevenness with my caps but it's hard to tell with staggered rows so I'm happy with what I have.


Ended up with the wrong thumb 2u keys but hopefully that can get straightened out, here she is for now

(http://i.imgur.com/xTCGWvP.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:13:40
So I think we finally have enough data to take up the mismatched heights issue with Signature Plastics. After looking over all the photos, it seems to me like there isn't particular set of caps which are off. Some of you have the same problem keys, but some of you have issues with other keys.

I've compiled an Imgur album of the issues (http://imgur.com/a/xQriH), which I've sent along in an email to Signature Plastics so they can see what's going on.

There is really no rhyme or reason to the inconsistencies. I can only imagine that, whatever happened, it either only happened with some of the molds and only some of the time, or they just all got mixed together before SP sorted them out into sets.

As far as what this all means for the resolution, I do not know. The caps are wrong, that's plain to see. We just have to trust SP to make this right.

I'll keep you posted when I hear something.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: axtran on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:22:59
Can't wait to hear what happens with resolution.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:31:55
So I think we finally have enough data to take up the mismatched heights issue with Signature Plastics. After looking over all the photos, it seems to me like there isn't particular set of caps which are off. Some of you have the same problem keys, but some of you have issues with other keys.

I've compiled an Imgur album of the issues (http://imgur.com/a/xQriH), which I've sent along in an email to Signature Plastics so they can see what's going on.

There is really no rhyme or reason to the inconsistencies. I can only imagine that, whatever happened, it either only happened with some of the molds and only some of the time, or they just all got mixed together before SP sorted them out into sets.

As far as what this all means for the resolution, I do not know. The caps are wrong, that's plain to see. We just have to trust SP to make this right.

I'll keep you posted when I hear something.

Good to hear, nj.

I didn't even realize the bit about the vertical stems! This is true! Definitely not good. :( This sounds like it might be a little complicated to resolve.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Mon, 15 February 2016, 19:54:05
I hope this and the next Alps GB's go smoothly after this is resolved. Thanks njbair.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: SJHL on Mon, 15 February 2016, 20:37:32
Thank you for everything, njbair. If you need more pictures, let me know.

Other than the height issue, the set is very nice. Tried taking a picture of it but it doesn't do any justice.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: skullydazed on Mon, 15 February 2016, 22:35:29
I've been pretty quiet while watching this, but I know SP will make it right. Just gotta give them time. In the meantime I'm watching all the sets posted and dreaming about my own AW build.  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: braidn on Tue, 16 February 2016, 07:21:37
Thanks NJ for all the hard work throughout this along with the attempt at corrections. Legend!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:13:41
As an experiment, I placed all my caps on a table top. They all seem to be the same height. Lucky? I put a ruler across the caps and all touch the ruler at the same time.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:18:57
As an experiment, I placed all my caps on a table top. They all seem to be the same height. Lucky? I put a ruler across the caps and all touch the ruler at the same time.

(Attachment Link)

Unfortunately, that won't give you an accurate measurement, since it's more of a stem issue than it is the cap body itself. The reinforcing cruciform material on the base of the stem is sometimes too high (or too low?) to be even with the other caps.

Even on the blanks I have, I looked at the underside and noticed a lot of inconsistencies.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:43:26
As an experiment, I placed all my caps on a table top. They all seem to be the same height. Lucky? I put a ruler across the caps and all touch the ruler at the same time.

(Attachment Link)

Unfortunately, that won't give you an accurate measurement, since it's more of a stem issue than it is the cap body itself. The reinforcing cruciform material on the base of the stem is sometimes too high (or too low?) to be even with the other caps.

Even on the blanks I have, I looked at the underside and noticed a lot of inconsistencies.

Yes..I see that now. Its' not just the stem height alone.

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 16 February 2016, 15:14:26
Looking forward to news on what SP decides to do. In the meantime, I am keeping my set in the bag in case I will need to return the caps.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:10:20
I heard back from Melissa at SP this morning. She was both concerned and contrite. She had a few clarifying questions which I was able to answer. She also voiced some concern regarding the apparently random nature of the issue, as that suggests worrisome production problems.

Melissa came right out and asked whether I thought the entire order needs to be re-run. I replied that the random nature of the issue makes it difficult to imagine any other resolution, but that I would be willing to meet her in the middle if she can think of something less drastic which still results in a full set of correctly-sized caps for all buyers. At this point I don't know what that would be.

The most important thing right now, I think, is to give SP time to investigate the issue and make sure that it's addressed before any replacements are produced.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:36:18
I heard back from Melissa at SP this morning. She was both concerned and contrite. She had a few clarifying questions which I was able to answer. She also voiced some concern regarding the apparently random nature of the issue, as that suggests worrisome production problems.

Melissa came right out and asked whether I thought the entire order needs to be re-run. I replied that the random nature of the issue makes it difficult to imagine any other resolution, but that I would be willing to meet her in the middle if she can think of something less drastic which still results in a full set of correctly-sized caps for all buyers. At this point I don't know what that would be.

The most important thing right now, I think, is to give SP time to investigate the issue and make sure that it's addressed before any replacements are produced.

:thumb:

Good to hear, and if they need anything else as far as more pictures of affected keycaps just let us know. I still need to pull out my second set and see how that one stands.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:37:03
One more thing. In responding to Melissa's questions this morning, I did a bit more investigating and uncovered some interesting info.

Here's a shot of E3E's board with some row-1 Alpine Winter blanks, with OEM keycaps to the left, and a Badwrench DCS modifier to the right:

(http://i.imgur.com/Kk7Pqv0.jpg)

There is an obvious difference between heights. The AW blanks are taller than both the OEM keycaps and the Badwrench DCS keycap.

Looking at the AW sets I have on hand, and all the photos reported in, it looks like Alpine Winter's row 1 are mostly correct. This suggests that DCS row 1 is supposed to be taller than OEM.

(http://i.imgur.com/VGLCmXR.jpg)

But if that's the case, why is Badwrench's ESC key sitting so low on E3E's keyboard?

Based on this data, it looks to me like this heights issue was present on Badwrench's modifiers as well. Only nobody noticed it because there are very few modifier keys next to each other. Anyone care to take a look at their Badwrench sets?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Badwrench on Wed, 17 February 2016, 11:25:48
One more thing. In responding to Melissa's questions this morning, I did a bit more investigating and uncovered some interesting info.

Here's a shot of E3E's board with some row-1 Alpine Winter blanks, with OEM keycaps to the left, and a Badwrench DCS modifier to the right:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Kk7Pqv0.jpg)


There is an obvious difference between heights. The AW blanks are taller than both the OEM keycaps and the Badwrench DCS keycap.

Looking at the AW sets I have on hand, and all the photos reported in, it looks like Alpine Winter's row 1 are mostly correct. This suggests that DCS row 1 is supposed to be taller than OEM.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/VGLCmXR.jpg)


But if that's the case, why is Badwrench's ESC key sitting so low on E3E's keyboard?

Based on this data, it looks to me like this heights issue was present on Badwrench's modifiers as well. Only nobody noticed it because there are very few modifier keys next to each other. Anyone care to take a look at their Badwrench sets?

That's odd.  I don't see any height difference from my set to this one:
[attachimg=1]

Do note that without first trimming the flashing from the stems, they are very tight and take more force than most people feel comfortable using to push them all the way in.  I have a video tutorial uploading now and will post it when it is done.

As far as overall height differences, It is mostly the qwer row keys that are most noticable (R,Y,U,P), but also the G, K, V, B, and M keys.  None of my mods are off and the heights of the non-offending keys from this set match the height of mine perfectly. 
[attachimg=2]



Edit:  Tutorial Video.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 17 February 2016, 15:38:17
One more thing. In responding to Melissa's questions this morning, I did a bit more investigating and uncovered some interesting info.

Here's a shot of E3E's board with some row-1 Alpine Winter blanks, with OEM keycaps to the left, and a Badwrench DCS modifier to the right:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Kk7Pqv0.jpg)


There is an obvious difference between heights. The AW blanks are taller than both the OEM keycaps and the Badwrench DCS keycap.

Looking at the AW sets I have on hand, and all the photos reported in, it looks like Alpine Winter's row 1 are mostly correct. This suggests that DCS row 1 is supposed to be taller than OEM.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/VGLCmXR.jpg)


But if that's the case, why is Badwrench's ESC key sitting so low on E3E's keyboard?

Based on this data, it looks to me like this heights issue was present on Badwrench's modifiers as well. Only nobody noticed it because there are very few modifier keys next to each other. Anyone care to take a look at their Badwrench sets?

Yeah, the Alpine Winter set seems to sit higher on Row 1 for sure. I actually like the lower-sitting caps though; imo, the blend in more with the Alps OEM (Alps manufactured) caps than the higher-sitting caps, but that might just be a matter of preference.  Checking the other R1 keys from the modifier set here, I'm also seeing that yeah, they sit lower, and there were no inconsistencies in height within Badwrench's set itself.

I think they got a little confused with the molds they were supposed to be running. Kind of crazy since it's turned this into a pretty large scale problem for this set with no one easy solution. :/
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Wed, 17 February 2016, 16:40:39
She also voiced some concern regarding the apparently random nature of the issue, as that suggests worrisome production problems.

This is my biggest concern. I really just hope this is something that can be fixed.

Regarding Badwrench's mods, I do have one example of a high sitting cap

(http://i.imgur.com/VA8dUJf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/q223hwr.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 23 February 2016, 17:31:09
Good news! I just heard back from Signature Plastics. They are going to re-run the whole set. No word yet on a timeline, but I will of course keep you all posted.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 23 February 2016, 17:39:26
Great news!  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: a-c on Tue, 23 February 2016, 17:47:43
Good news! I just heard back from Signature Plastics. They are going to re-run the whole set. No word yet on a timeline, but I will of course keep you all posted.

How do we pay you for the second round of shipping?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 23 February 2016, 17:53:32
Good news! I just heard back from Signature Plastics. They are going to re-run the whole set. No word yet on a timeline, but I will of course keep you all posted.

How do we pay you for the second round of shipping?

I'll issue new invoices once everything's here in my hands.

I'm thinking that with the USPS rate increases, it might make more sense to use flat rate boxes this time around. I'll have to look into it and see what fits.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: axtran on Tue, 23 February 2016, 17:54:15
Great news!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 23 February 2016, 18:31:06
Good news! I just heard back from Signature Plastics. They are going to re-run the whole set. No word yet on a timeline, but I will of course keep you all posted.

How do we pay you for the second round of shipping?

I'll issue new invoices once everything's here in my hands.

I'm thinking that with the USPS rate increases, it might make more sense to use flat rate boxes this time around. I'll have to look into it and see what fits.

Good news indeed!  Did they say what went wrong?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 23 February 2016, 19:07:46
Good news indeed!  Did they say what went wrong?

I was hoping someone would ask!

Back in 1987, Signature Plastics designed two different Alps-mount DCS keycaps: 1Z, with a short stem; and EX, with a longer stem which slightly protrudes past the skirt of the keycap. When viewed from the top, the two keycaps are identical except for their height on the switch. The height of the cross ribs for each style was determined by the length of the stem, so 1Z caps had shorter cross ribs and EX caps had taller cross ribs.

Fast forward to 2014-2015, when Signature Plastics observes rising interest in Alps keycaps. Anticipating high demand, SP decides to convert some of their spare 1Z molds into EX molds, to handle increased production rates. Unfortunately, the engineers wrongly assumed that the height of the cross ribs did not matter--that the keycap height was determined solely by the stem length (note that this is the case for Cherry MX stems). In fact, the cavity in an Alps slider is deeper than both 1Z and EX stems, which means the cross ribs are the sole determining factor in keycap height.

So now, Signature Plastics has a bunch of molds spitting out "Q" keycaps for Alpine Winter. Some of them have correctly-sized cross ribs, but others are too short.

(http://i.imgur.com/pRsXgqP.jpg)

Yet all the Q's are being dumped into the same hopper to be sorted out into sets later.

You can see where this is going. If all the keys in a set were short, you'd probably never notice. Likewise, if all the keys were the correct height there would be no issue. But since they are grabbed from the hoppers at random, you end up with mismatched keycap heights in every set, and no consistency regarding which keys are short and tall between sets.

So, now that the problem has been identified, SP is modifying the incorrect molds to produce the higher EX cross ribs. Once the issue has been corrected they will start producing replacement AW sets.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: romevi on Tue, 23 February 2016, 19:31:38
Huh. That's pretty neat to learn.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Tue, 23 February 2016, 19:53:46
Interesting, I'm really glad it's a fixable problem. Did they mention if they would still offer 1Z molds if a GB leader wanted shorter keycaps? I can't see why anyone would, just wondering.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:15:16
I love all the details provided, thanks to SP for the explanation and njbair for relaying.  This is the sort of stuff I deal with every day at my job, so it's really interesting to me.  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:27:37
I love all the details provided, thanks to SP for the explanation and njbair for relaying.  This is the sort of stuff I deal with every day at my job, so it's really interesting to me.  :)
+1
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:34:52
Interesting, I'm really glad it's a fixable problem. Did they mention if they would still offer 1Z molds if a GB leader wanted shorter keycaps? I can't see why anyone would, just wondering.
They didn't say they were converting all of their 1Z molds, just some of them. So I suppose 1Z would still be available. It's worth noting, though, that when I contacted SP about Alps keycaps, they never presented options like this. It's as though EX is the standard, and 1Z is a special case. Their decision to increase their capacity for EX production would seem to support this theory.
I love all the details provided, thanks to SP for the explanation and njbair for relaying.  This is the sort of stuff I deal with every day at my job, so it's really interesting to me.  :)
I used to make molds. I know how reliable and repeatable they are. So I was having a hard time trying to figure out how this all happened in the first place.

My manufacturing background also leads me to believe that someone likely received quite a royal chewing-out as a result of this error.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:48:15
Great news njbair!

Make sure to hit me up for extra in the reshipment cost since if I remember correctly I was the guinea pig on paypal and didn't have the fees thrown in! Maybe plus some beer money for the extra sorting pain!  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 23 February 2016, 21:10:37
Thanks for posting that njbair!

That's actually incredibly interesting - it's fantastic that this issue has been identified early on as it could have potentially plagued SP Alps sets for many more buys
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 23 February 2016, 21:12:35
Good to hear this is all going to be sorted out. Despite the mistake, I'm impressed that they were able to figure out what the root cause of the problem was.

Gotta love oversights.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 23 February 2016, 21:27:47
Rerunning the whole set.  Wow.  Why not.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 23 February 2016, 21:28:28
Interesting, I'm really glad it's a fixable problem. Did they mention if they would still offer 1Z molds if a GB leader wanted shorter keycaps? I can't see why anyone would, just wondering.
They didn't say they were converting all of their 1Z molds, just some of them. So I suppose 1Z would still be available. It's worth noting, though, that when I contacted SP about Alps keycaps, they never presented options like this. It's as though EX is the standard, and 1Z is a special case. Their decision to increase their capacity for EX production would seem to support this theory.
I love all the details provided, thanks to SP for the explanation and njbair for relaying.  This is the sort of stuff I deal with every day at my job, so it's really interesting to me.  :)
I used to make molds. I know how reliable and repeatable they are. So I was having a hard time trying to figure out how this all happened in the first place.

My manufacturing background also leads me to believe that someone likely received quite a royal chewing-out as a result of this error.

This is all fascinating stuff, man.

I'd love the lower-sitting caps to be used for a set, to be honest. They're much sleeker than the higher-sitting ones and match more closely with the Alps Electric profile caps.

Crazy that those molds go all the way back to the 80s, but that shouldn't be surprising, I guess. :P

Looks like these baby step GBs are really testing SP's Alps mettle. Both sets, badwrench's and Alpine Winter, have had errors and needed to be rerun to an extent. This one is an even bigger mess up.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 23 February 2016, 22:10:14
Looks like these baby step GBs are really testing SP's Alps mettle. Both sets, badwrench's and Alpine Winter, have had errors and needed to be rerun to an extent. This one is an even bigger mess up.

When you stop to think about it, custom keycaps is an extremely detail-oriented business. As such, there's just a lot that can go wrong. Here we have a company that's been chugging along since the eighties, primarily as a B2B enterprise, then along comes the keyboard enthusiast community, which is still less than a decade old, and SP is trying to seize the opportunity to grow their consumer business. But it's completely uncharted waters. Their offerings are far more diverse than their closest competitors--GMK is Cherry only, with limited support for nonstandard keys, and most other keycap makers only spit out 104-key Cherry MX base kits. SP is the only one offering such a wide variety of profiles, mounts, fonts, custom legends, custom sizes, etc. Also, we take for granted all the things that SP gets right every time. For instance, I've never heard of any problems with SP's colors. I've never seen any flashing issues like Tai Hao caps sometimes have. They are also very responsive and a pleasure to work with. And in recent months, we've even watched them change the way they do business to better serve the enthusiast market, as they've overhauled their PMK online store to try and do a better job meeting demand and circumventing the long wait times characteristic of group buys. They even took the time to respond to forum posts and provide good answers right here on Geekhack regarding Massdrop price breaks, which they didn't have to do.

Anyway, I get what you're saying and you're correct, SP is learning some lessons the hard way. But they're also doing a lot of things right. And more importantly, when things go wrong, bending over backwards to make things right.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 23 February 2016, 23:35:31
Looks like these baby step GBs are really testing SP's Alps mettle. Both sets, badwrench's and Alpine Winter, have had errors and needed to be rerun to an extent. This one is an even bigger mess up.

When you stop to think about it, custom keycaps is an extremely detail-oriented business. As such, there's just a lot that can go wrong. Here we have a company that's been chugging along since the eighties, primarily as a B2B enterprise, then along comes the keyboard enthusiast community, which is still less than a decade old, and SP is trying to seize the opportunity to grow their consumer business. But it's completely uncharted waters. Their offerings are far more diverse than their closest competitors--GMK is Cherry only, with limited support for nonstandard keys, and most other keycap makers only spit out 104-key Cherry MX base kits. SP is the only one offering such a wide variety of profiles, mounts, fonts, custom legends, custom sizes, etc. Also, we take for granted all the things that SP gets right every time. For instance, I've never heard of any problems with SP's colors. I've never seen any flashing issues like Tai Hao caps sometimes have. They are also very responsive and a pleasure to work with. And in recent months, we've even watched them change the way they do business to better serve the enthusiast market, as they've overhauled their PMK online store to try and do a better job meeting demand and circumventing the long wait times characteristic of group buys. They even took the time to respond to forum posts and provide good answers right here on Geekhack regarding Massdrop price breaks, which they didn't have to do.

Anyway, I get what you're saying and you're correct, SP is learning some lessons the hard way. But they're also doing a lot of things right. And more importantly, when things go wrong, bending over backwards to make things right.

I 100% agree with you, Nick. Anything I'd add to this would simply be reiterating what you've already said.

Really, Signature Plastics is amazing. Some people have qualms with their profiles or cap thicknesses, but they really beat out ever other cap maker in terms of quality assurance and customer service. Did GMK offer to rerun Triumph Adler?

I don't think so.

(That's half to be punchy, but half because I really don't know, but I doubt that they have.)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: romevi on Tue, 23 February 2016, 23:38:01



I 100% agree with you, Nick.


Whoa, are we allowed to use real names here? :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 23 February 2016, 23:59:59



I 100% agree with you, Nick.


Whoa, are we allowed to use real names here? :))

XD I usually say NJ, but that felt appropriate there. I'm not the biggest fan of my name though. Makes me sound like a Spanish matador.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: harlw on Wed, 24 February 2016, 00:25:54
Three cheers for SP and a moment of silence for njbair who gets to do this damn thing twice. I say we pitch in and buy him something nice.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Badwrench on Wed, 24 February 2016, 00:38:26
Just a quick heads up nj, my gb was specifically ordered in the 1Z profile.  I wanted it to match the height of existing escape keys from sp and some of the older alphas on random boards that were also made by sp.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: WNovizar on Wed, 24 February 2016, 01:24:37
Late to the party, but I've heard that there will be reruns of this keyset soon, so does that mean I could join later?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 24 February 2016, 08:29:04
Just a quick heads up nj, my gb was specifically ordered in the 1Z profile.  I wanted it to match the height of existing escape keys from sp and some of the older alphas on random boards that were also made by sp.

I was just looking over my BX mods. It looks like the Row 1 caps are 1Z, but the rest of the rows are EX. Can you confirm this?

For those who are curious, EX stems are slightly longer than the skirt of the keycap, so if you put the cap down on a flat surface and it rocks back and forth, you've got an EX cap. If the cap sits flat, the stem is slightly shorter than the skirt and you've got a 1Z cap.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 24 February 2016, 08:30:28
Late to the party, but I've heard that there will be reruns of this keyset soon, so does that mean I could join later?

Sorry, but these are corrections, not reruns, which means SP is going to fulfill the original order with no additions.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Hypersphere on Wed, 24 February 2016, 08:36:53
Does this mean that everyone who ordered will receive a new (corrected) order automatically? Do we need to sign up and/or return the originals?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 24 February 2016, 08:43:58
Does this mean that everyone who ordered will receive a new (corrected) order automatically? Do we need to sign up and/or return the originals?

If you already have your caps, you will be getting replacements. No questions asked, no returns necessary. I don't think SP wants the defective keycaps any more than we do.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 24 February 2016, 09:31:42
Does the re-run include space bars as well?  I know those had mistakes already, but not sure if they also had the stem issue resolved in the re-run.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 24 February 2016, 09:32:45
Thanks for the info!  Their explanation makes sense and their decision to rerun definitely increases my goodwill towards them.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 24 February 2016, 09:35:59
Does the re-run include space bars as well?  I know those had mistakes already, but not sure if they also had the stem issue resolved in the re-run.

I was told they are going to re-run the entire order.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 26 February 2016, 16:35:43
Does the re-run include space bars as well?  I know those had mistakes already, but not sure if they also had the stem issue resolved in the re-run.

I was told they are going to re-run the entire order.

Good lord.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: joey on Fri, 26 February 2016, 16:41:45
Does this mean that everyone who ordered will receive a new (corrected) order automatically? Do we need to sign up and/or return the originals?

If you already have your caps, you will be getting replacements. No questions asked, no returns necessary. I don't think SP wants the defective keycaps any more than we do.
If we haven't, will we get both sets?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 26 February 2016, 16:45:15
Does this mean that everyone who ordered will receive a new (corrected) order automatically? Do we need to sign up and/or return the originals?

If you already have your caps, you will be getting replacements. No questions asked, no returns necessary. I don't think SP wants the defective keycaps any more than we do.
If we haven't, will we get both sets?
If you haven't gotten them yet then you're international. Which means double the sets will cost double the shipping. I guess I'll leave that up to you. I'll have to think of a way to organize that first, though.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 26 February 2016, 17:17:51
What a plot twist o.O
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: joey on Fri, 26 February 2016, 17:23:01
Does this mean that everyone who ordered will receive a new (corrected) order automatically? Do we need to sign up and/or return the originals?

If you already have your caps, you will be getting replacements. No questions asked, no returns necessary. I don't think SP wants the defective keycaps any more than we do.
If we haven't, will we get both sets?
If you haven't gotten them yet then you're international. Which means double the sets will cost double the shipping. I guess I'll leave that up to you. I'll have to think of a way to organize that first, though.
Maybe not the full set.. but it might be nice to have a few of the keys (the mountain keys etc)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 26 February 2016, 17:23:59
What a plot twist o.O

Alps and plot twists seem to go hand in hand these days.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 26 February 2016, 17:31:39
Does this mean that everyone who ordered will receive a new (corrected) order automatically? Do we need to sign up and/or return the originals?

If you already have your caps, you will be getting replacements. No questions asked, no returns necessary. I don't think SP wants the defective keycaps any more than we do.
If we haven't, will we get both sets?
If you haven't gotten them yet then you're international. Which means double the sets will cost double the shipping. I guess I'll leave that up to you. I'll have to think of a way to organize that first, though.
Maybe not the full set.. but it might be nice to have a few of the keys (the mountain keys etc)
I'm not against people getting caps but I have to admit I'm kind of against all the extra work of separating the existing presorted sets. And by kind of against, I mean very against.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 27 February 2016, 00:13:47
Once the rerun comes in, maybe someone should set up an 'aftermarket trading' thread to corral the discussion-- I'm guessing some of us won't need *all* the duplicates, and might be willing to trade their extras.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: skullydazed on Sat, 27 February 2016, 00:41:33
I'm not against people getting caps but I have to admit I'm kind of against all the extra work of separating the existing presorted sets. And by kind of against, I mean very against.

Just build a keycap sorting robot. It can't be that hard. :))

Having done plenty of keycap set separating myself, I think it should be an all or nothing thing. Sorting one set ain't so bad, but sorting dozens is asking a lot.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:16:14
Or train a kindergarten class to do it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 27 February 2016, 10:15:12
I'm not against people getting caps but I have to admit I'm kind of against all the extra work of separating the existing presorted sets. And by kind of against, I mean very against.

Just build a keycap sorting robot. It can't be that hard. :))

Having done plenty of keycap set separating myself, I think it should be an all or nothing thing. Sorting one set ain't so bad, but sorting dozens is asking a lot.

I honestly would charge extra for the sorting process if I ever ran a keycap group buy.  I bought an SP grab bag a couple years ago and that was among the worst uses of time in my entire life.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: jbondeson on Sat, 27 February 2016, 10:29:21
How much do we need to fundraise to have SP presort the next batch of keysets?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 27 February 2016, 11:14:15
There may be a misunderstanding here. The base kits will come pre-sorted, as per the original order. Only the blanks will need to be resorted and that's not so bad.

This discussion had to do with whether or not international buyers want to pay extra shipping for the mistaken sets, and someone suggested breaking up the mistaken sets and just sending a handful of extras from them (logo caps, for example) along with the corrected orders. I was just pointing out that I'm not thrilled about the idea of digging into all those pre-sorted mistaken orders to fish out a few special caps. I'm thinking you either pay to ship the whole thing, or only pay for the corrected set.

US buyers will end up paying shipping twice. But international orders haven't shipped yet, so I figure it's only fair to give them the option. But I don't think breaking up the mistaken sets will be an option from my standpoint.

I just had an idea, though. Once all the orders are shipped, if I end up with a bunch of leftover mistaken sets, maybe I can do a little fundraiser. It may be possible to piece together some self-consistent sets, which could then be resold in the classifieds with all proceeds going towards Geekhack's operating costs. Just an idea, but I could take my time with the sorting because nobody will be waiting on them.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: flabbergast on Sat, 27 February 2016, 12:43:27
I personally would prefer to get both sets (old&new); and pay for shipping whatever's needed.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 27 February 2016, 15:16:45
There may be a misunderstanding here. The base kits will come pre-sorted, as per the original order. Only the blanks will need to be resorted and that's not so bad.

This discussion had to do with whether or not international buyers want to pay extra shipping for the mistaken sets, and someone suggested breaking up the mistaken sets and just sending a handful of extras from them (logo caps, for example) along with the corrected orders. I was just pointing out that I'm not thrilled about the idea of digging into all those pre-sorted mistaken orders to fish out a few special caps. I'm thinking you either pay to ship the whole thing, or only pay for the corrected set.

US buyers will end up paying shipping twice. But international orders haven't shipped yet, so I figure it's only fair to give them the option. But I don't think breaking up the mistaken sets will be an option from my standpoint.

I just had an idea, though. Once all the orders are shipped, if I end up with a bunch of leftover mistaken sets, maybe I can do a little fundraiser. It may be possible to piece together some self-consistent sets, which could then be resold in the classifieds with all proceeds going towards Geekhack's operating costs. Just an idea, but I could take my time with the sorting because nobody will be waiting on them.

The idea of you digging through bags of caps just so someone can save a bit of money on shipping is absolutely ludicrous! That's a hard NOOOOPE.

Being international and not having my set shipped yet, I would like to get both the old and the new sets. I 110% will pay for all the additional shipping and I would also like to shoot you a humble tip. Like, the value of a pack of beer (or whatever beverage of choice) just to say cheers for all the hard work  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: luckynet on Sun, 28 February 2016, 04:01:48
as an international buyer, I aint keen on paying more, just send the correct set and im already happy. do what you will with the incorrect sets, i bet they are still alot of people interested in those, no matter how defective...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 28 February 2016, 11:49:36
Well, if this is a binary choice, let's just make everyone who wants to keep the old set, whether they live in the US or internationally, say so. Make a quick google form.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 12:24:38
I'm ok with paying extra shipping to get both of my sets
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: joey on Sun, 28 February 2016, 12:30:23
I'd like to know the price difference, if possible, before deciding.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 28 February 2016, 13:17:43
I'd like to know the price difference, if possible, before deciding.

You already know it.

Which means double the sets will cost double the shipping.

Whatever you paid in shipping originally, that is what you will have to pay again.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 28 February 2016, 15:59:22
I'd like to know the price difference, if possible, before deciding.

You already know it.

Which means double the sets will cost double the shipping.

Whatever you paid in shipping originally, that is what you will have to pay again.
International orders have not been shipped yet. And I'm not sure that double weight = double price for all packages. Weight is only a part of the equation.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 29 February 2016, 01:26:33
I'm happy to get the old and new sets but would rather see the older sets sold at whatever price with the proceeds going to GH's maintenance
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 12:09:15
To get around the keycap heights  I was using IBM 5140 keycaps for the alphas. But I will gladly accept a fixed set just so I can finally use Alpine Winter Keycaps.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 29 February 2016, 12:38:14
I was just now checking my Alpine Winter set. I discovered that the profile of Alpine Winter is different from that of the Matias keycap sets and vintage IBM 5140. The IBM and Matias sets match, but Alpine Winter is different from each of these other sets. I assume that this is inherent to the SP set and will be the case even with the corrected set that SP will be issuing. Is this a correct assumption?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 29 February 2016, 12:40:26
I was just now checking my Alpine Winter set. I discovered that the profile of Alpine Winter is different from that of the Matias keycap sets and vintage IBM 5140. The IBM and Matias sets match, but Alpine Winter is different from each of these other sets. I assume that this is inherent to the SP set and will be the case even with the corrected set that SP will be issuing. Is this a correct assumption?
Correct. These are DCS profile, which is similar but different than the OEM profile of the other two sets you mentioned.

FYI, Cherry profile is also different, but that's not an issue for Alps boards anyway.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 29 February 2016, 12:49:48
@njbair: Thanks for your prompt reply! I should have realized beforehand that the SP profile would be different from the others. Thanks for confirming this.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 03 March 2016, 21:35:02
Regarding international shipping prices, not sure if retail or commercial applies here:  http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm#2521047
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 03 March 2016, 22:40:21
Matias profile is also marginally different from Tai-Hao profile.  This is mostly visible on the bottom row.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 03 March 2016, 22:46:41
Regarding international shipping prices, not sure if retail or commercial applies here:  http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm#2521047
I think you would want Priority mail (not First Class) for tracking numbers, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: axtran on Fri, 04 March 2016, 12:04:53
USPS International FC provides shipping, as long as the receiving country supports it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: harlw on Sun, 13 March 2016, 11:45:12
There may be a misunderstanding here. The base kits will come pre-sorted, as per the original order. Only the blanks will need to be resorted and that's not so bad.

This discussion had to do with whether or not international buyers want to pay extra shipping for the mistaken sets, and someone suggested breaking up the mistaken sets and just sending a handful of extras from them (logo caps, for example) along with the corrected orders. I was just pointing out that I'm not thrilled about the idea of digging into all those pre-sorted mistaken orders to fish out a few special caps. I'm thinking you either pay to ship the whole thing, or only pay for the corrected set.

US buyers will end up paying shipping twice. But international orders haven't shipped yet, so I figure it's only fair to give them the option. But I don't think breaking up the mistaken sets will be an option from my standpoint.

I just had an idea, though. Once all the orders are shipped, if I end up with a bunch of leftover mistaken sets, maybe I can do a little fundraiser. It may be possible to piece together some self-consistent sets, which could then be resold in the classifieds with all proceeds going towards Geekhack's operating costs. Just an idea, but I could take my time with the sorting because nobody will be waiting on them.
I think you could just sell them uncorrected, I doubt sorting them will bring in *that* much extra to justify the work. I like the idea though.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Sun, 13 March 2016, 23:54:58
Three cheers for SP and a moment of silence for njbair who gets to do this damn thing twice. I say we pitch in and buy him something nice.

A Pony?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 14 March 2016, 01:44:45
Three cheers for SP and a moment of silence for njbair who gets to do this damn thing twice. I say we pitch in and buy him something nice.

A Pony?

Made of diamonds, like Butt Stallion.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 18 March 2016, 12:10:45
All that packing and shipping is gonna take its toll physically.

How about we pitch in for a 1 hour massage voucher.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: harlw on Fri, 18 March 2016, 21:58:05
All that packing and shipping is gonna take its toll physically.

How about we pitch in for a 1 hour massage voucher.


yesssss
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 19 March 2016, 00:27:04
I tried to remove one of the caps today.  I applied steady upward pressure like we are supposed to do.  I ended up ripping the Matias switch apart.  At least I have spares.

Remember to be careful folks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 March 2016, 09:54:59
I tried to remove one of the caps today.  I applied steady upward pressure like we are supposed to do.  I ended up ripping the Matias switch apart.  At least I have spares.

Remember to be careful folks.
Indeed. I know it's tedious, but I really, really recommend trimming the corners on all SP Alps keycaps. I posted earlier about how to do this, but I know not everybody keeps up with the thread.

I'm thinking about breaking this info out into its own thread and linking in my signature. Then I can include a little instruction sheet in the package with a link to the thread.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Badwrench on Sat, 19 March 2016, 18:29:04
One more thing. In responding to Melissa's questions this morning, I did a bit more investigating and uncovered some interesting info.

Here's a shot of E3E's board with some row-1 Alpine Winter blanks, with OEM keycaps to the left, and a Badwrench DCS modifier to the right:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Kk7Pqv0.jpg)


There is an obvious difference between heights. The AW blanks are taller than both the OEM keycaps and the Badwrench DCS keycap.

Looking at the AW sets I have on hand, and all the photos reported in, it looks like Alpine Winter's row 1 are mostly correct. This suggests that DCS row 1 is supposed to be taller than OEM.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/VGLCmXR.jpg)


But if that's the case, why is Badwrench's ESC key sitting so low on E3E's keyboard?

Based on this data, it looks to me like this heights issue was present on Badwrench's modifiers as well. Only nobody noticed it because there are very few modifier keys next to each other. Anyone care to take a look at their Badwrench sets?

That's odd.  I don't see any height difference from my set to this one:
(Attachment Link)

Do note that without first trimming the flashing from the stems, they are very tight and take more force than most people feel comfortable using to push them all the way in.  I have a video tutorial uploading now and will post it when it is done.

As far as overall height differences, It is mostly the qwer row keys that are most noticable (R,Y,U,P), but also the G, K, V, B, and M keys.  None of my mods are off and the heights of the non-offending keys from this set match the height of mine perfectly. 
(Attachment Link)



Edit:  Tutorial Video.

I tried to remove one of the caps today.  I applied steady upward pressure like we are supposed to do.  I ended up ripping the Matias switch apart.  At least I have spares.

Remember to be careful folks.
Indeed. I know it's tedious, but I really, really recommend trimming the corners on all SP Alps keycaps. I posted earlier about how to do this, but I know not everybody keeps up with the thread.

I'm thinking about breaking this info out into its own thread and linking in my signature. Then I can include a little instruction sheet in the package with a link to the thread.

Check the video I did  :thumb:

It took me about an hour to do the entire set.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 19 March 2016, 19:27:50
One more thing. In responding to Melissa's questions this morning, I did a bit more investigating and uncovered some interesting info.

Here's a shot of E3E's board with some row-1 Alpine Winter blanks, with OEM keycaps to the left, and a Badwrench DCS modifier to the right:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Kk7Pqv0.jpg)


There is an obvious difference between heights. The AW blanks are taller than both the OEM keycaps and the Badwrench DCS keycap.

Looking at the AW sets I have on hand, and all the photos reported in, it looks like Alpine Winter's row 1 are mostly correct. This suggests that DCS row 1 is supposed to be taller than OEM.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/VGLCmXR.jpg)


But if that's the case, why is Badwrench's ESC key sitting so low on E3E's keyboard?

Based on this data, it looks to me like this heights issue was present on Badwrench's modifiers as well. Only nobody noticed it because there are very few modifier keys next to each other. Anyone care to take a look at their Badwrench sets?

That's odd.  I don't see any height difference from my set to this one:
(Attachment Link)

Do note that without first trimming the flashing from the stems, they are very tight and take more force than most people feel comfortable using to push them all the way in.  I have a video tutorial uploading now and will post it when it is done.

As far as overall height differences, It is mostly the qwer row keys that are most noticable (R,Y,U,P), but also the G, K, V, B, and M keys.  None of my mods are off and the heights of the non-offending keys from this set match the height of mine perfectly. 
(Attachment Link)



Edit:  Tutorial Video.

I tried to remove one of the caps today.  I applied steady upward pressure like we are supposed to do.  I ended up ripping the Matias switch apart.  At least I have spares.

Remember to be careful folks.
Indeed. I know it's tedious, but I really, really recommend trimming the corners on all SP Alps keycaps. I posted earlier about how to do this, but I know not everybody keeps up with the thread.

I'm thinking about breaking this info out into its own thread and linking in my signature. Then I can include a little instruction sheet in the package with a link to the thread.

Check the video I did  :thumb:

It took me about an hour to do the entire set.
I must have missed that video, either because it was an edit or because it doesn't show up in Tapatalk. But thanks for sharing it.

Your method is different than mine--I actually sliced off two corners, using a downward motion with the blade instead of pulling back. But the key is to only do two corners. I think my way was probably faster, if a bit trickier. Either way, an hour's time is a small price to pay to avoid the eternal frustration of a broken stem.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 March 2016, 20:56:44
Hey all, just a quick non-update update. Nothing new to report. My last correspondence with SP was exactly one month ago (Feb. 24), which means based on a six-week lead time we've still got a couple of weeks to wait before the replacement keycaps arrive.

Just to be clear, everybody is getting a replacement set, no questions asked. Everyone will be re-invoiced for shipping costs. If you are an international buyer, since you have not received your caps yet I will present you with two options: 1) pay shipping for both sets (correct & defective), or just pay shipping for the corrected sets. The choice is totally up to you.

If I have any defective sets left over, I can try to piece together some complete sets from those, and sell them in the classifieds with 100% of the proceeds going back to Geekhack.

So let's all hang tight, and thanks as always for your patience!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 22:51:29
Thanks for the update Nj! If theres a defective monarch numpad no one wants put me first in line  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 24 March 2016, 23:18:12
Thanks njbair :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 25 March 2016, 08:37:24
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 25 March 2016, 10:18:48
Regarding international shipping prices, not sure if retail or commercial applies here:  http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm#2521047
I think you would want Priority mail (not First Class) for tracking numbers, right?

(Three weeks later)

I suppose.  Although anything I have shipped First Class International has arrived to where it was supposed to go.  The other factor is what the buyer is willing to pay (unless you have accounted for those costs already).  Priority Mail can be twice as much as First Class for lower weight international packages.

Just because the weight may double if two sets are in the same box, it does not necessarily mean that international shipping will double.  For example, last time I checked the USPS website, for First Class International retail it was $22.50 for up to 2 lbs. to most countries, and $34.50 for 2-3 lbs. (these vary depending on country and size of package, so don't take them as gospel).  With the new USPS international pricing structure, anything over 3 lbs. is more logical to ship Priority.  Priority has a completely different pricing structure that increases at lower intervals as the weigh increases.

In the end, I guess it depends on the final shipping weight and what the buyer is willing to pay.  Fyi, I'm not trying to take over the shipping of this buy, just sharing my recent experiences with international shipping.
 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: luckynet on Sat, 26 March 2016, 22:40:52
Hey all, just a quick non-update update. Nothing new to report. My last correspondence with SP was exactly one month ago (Feb. 24), which means based on a six-week lead time we've still got a couple of weeks to wait before the replacement keycaps arrive.

Just to be clear, everybody is getting a replacement set, no questions asked. Everyone will be re-invoiced for shipping costs. If you are an international buyer, since you have not received your caps yet I will present you with two options: 1) pay shipping for both sets (correct & defective), or just pay shipping for the corrected sets. The choice is totally up to you.

If I have any defective sets left over, I can try to piece together some complete sets from those, and sell them in the classifieds with 100% of the proceeds going back to Geekhack.

So let's all hang tight, and thanks as always for your patience!

well put me in for shipping for both sets. yay! 2 sets for the price of one!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: exitfire401 on Sat, 26 March 2016, 22:49:18
If a complete set can be put together from the rejects, put me down for one. This is one GB I totally regret not joining
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Sat, 26 March 2016, 22:56:16
 I REALLY should have purchased more than one set!  :(

What are the chances that this will run again, either with this, or a different colorway?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 March 2016, 23:32:27
I REALLY should have purchased more than one set!  :(

What are the chances that this will run again, either with this, or a different colorway?
I don't intend to run another GB any time soon. But I hope to see more Alps sets come up.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Sun, 27 March 2016, 00:27:30
I REALLY should have purchased more than one set!  :(

What are the chances that this will run again, either with this, or a different colorway?
I don't intend to run another GB any time soon. But I hope to see more Alps sets come up.

I can't say that I blame you.

Perhaps it's just wishful thinking, but Alps-type switches do seem to be getting more love these days. With more love, comes more vendor support.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: infurnum on Mon, 28 March 2016, 02:16:05
Any spare full sets I would love to get in on!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:36:04
Any spare full sets I would love to get in on!

Stay tuned! There's a chance there may be some extra sets depending on if some international orders only want one set; and of course it'll depend on what njbair wants to do.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 28 March 2016, 22:35:26
I finally got a chance to get my board assembled this weekend. Blue tex case, blue painted HHKB layout plate, blue alps, and this lovely keycap set.

(http://i.imgur.com/wYOOKwr.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/JApeguE.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WUa2ne7.jpg)

Timelapse of the build:


Thanks njbair! You rock!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: spanyam on Tue, 29 March 2016, 00:36:02
Any spare full sets I would love to get in on!

Stay tuned! There's a chance there may be some extra sets depending on if some international orders only want one set; and of course it'll depend on what njbair wants to do.

I would totally be up for buying one leftover set too. By the time I discovered ALPS switches, this GB was already closed =/
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Tue, 29 March 2016, 00:46:34
I finally got a chance to get my board assembled this weekend. Blue tex case, blue painted HHKB layout plate, blue alps, and this lovely keycap set.

Timelapse of the build:

Thanks njbair! You rock!  :thumb:

That's the dog's bollocks, there!

Great job!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 29 March 2016, 19:36:57
I finally got a chance to get my board assembled this weekend. Blue tex case, blue painted HHKB layout plate, blue alps, and this lovely keycap set.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wYOOKwr.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JApeguE.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/WUa2ne7.jpg)


Timelapse of the build:


Thanks njbair! You rock!  :thumb:

Props for the video - VERY cool  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: infurnum on Thu, 31 March 2016, 04:43:46
Any spare full sets I would love to get in on!

Stay tuned! There's a chance there may be some extra sets depending on if some international orders only want one set; and of course it'll depend on what njbair wants to do.

Really hope so!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: luckynet on Thu, 07 April 2016, 09:48:48
for those looking for extra sets or missed the gb, there'll most likely be other custom sets coming for alps,as this gb have paved the way for other custom sets to be made with the already calibrated tooling. all thats need is someone to manage the group buys LOL
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 07 April 2016, 15:16:23
for those looking for extra sets or missed the gb, there'll most likely be other custom sets coming for alps,as this gb have paved the way for other custom sets to be made with the already calibrated tooling. all thats need is someone to manage the group buys LOL

Yea, that's the hard part.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 07 April 2016, 20:42:06
for those looking for extra sets or missed the gb, there'll most likely be other custom sets coming for alps,as this gb have paved the way for other custom sets to be made with the already calibrated tooling. all thats need is someone to manage the group buys LOL

Yea, that's the hard part.

I happen to know for a fact that there are one or more parties interested in leading another Alps GB.

Cryptic enough?

(Hint: it's not me)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 07 April 2016, 20:50:57
for those looking for extra sets or missed the gb, there'll most likely be other custom sets coming for alps,as this gb have paved the way for other custom sets to be made with the already calibrated tooling. all thats need is someone to manage the group buys LOL

Yea, that's the hard part.

I happen to know for a fact that there are one or more parties interested in leading another Alps GB.

Cryptic enough?

(Hint: it's not me)

I was just wondering about this.

OuO yesh plox
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 07 April 2016, 20:53:11
for those looking for extra sets or missed the gb, there'll most likely be other custom sets coming for alps,as this gb have paved the way for other custom sets to be made with the already calibrated tooling. all thats need is someone to manage the group buys LOL

Yea, that's the hard part.

I happen to know for a fact that there are one or more parties interested in leading another Alps GB.

Cryptic enough?

(Hint: it's not me)

Nooooo! My poor wallet can't take much more.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: sean on Thu, 07 April 2016, 22:39:41
I hope it's a dark colorway. Definitely something Alps is lacking!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 07 April 2016, 22:49:33
for those looking for extra sets or missed the gb, there'll most likely be other custom sets coming for alps,as this gb have paved the way for other custom sets to be made with the already calibrated tooling. all thats need is someone to manage the group buys LOL

Yea, that's the hard part.

I happen to know for a fact that there are one or more parties interested in leading another Alps GB.

Cryptic enough?

(Hint: it's not me)

I would do it, but do not think it is the best use of my time at the moment.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 07 April 2016, 23:22:39
BTW did all of the nubbinator already make it out to their new homes? Is there even a slim chance one could be heading up to Canada?!  :p
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 07 April 2016, 23:40:18
BTW did all of the nubbinator already make it out to their new homes? Is there even a slim chance one could be heading up to Canada?!  :p


So few Dolly pics  :( :(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Thu, 07 April 2016, 23:52:56
BTW did all of the nubbinator already make it out to their new homes? Is there even a slim chance one could be heading up to Canada?!  :p

One can dream :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 08 April 2016, 00:03:40
BTW did all of the nubbinator already make it out to their new homes? Is there even a slim chance one could be heading up to Canada?!
As it happens, all 5 nubs raffle winners were US-based. Just how the odds fell.

Nubbinator did send me some extras because that's what a great guy he is. Not sure how I'm going to distribute those yet.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 08 April 2016, 00:12:32
BTW did all of the nubbinator already make it out to their new homes? Is there even a slim chance one could be heading up to Canada?!
As it happens, all 5 nubs raffle winners were US-based. Just how the odds fell.

Nubbinator did send me some extras because that's what a great guy he is. Not sure how I'm going to distribute those yet.

Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk
International only first 50 raffle ;)  cmon, plz!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: rand77 on Fri, 08 April 2016, 01:37:26
I for one will welcome another Alps group buy.    I have a Matias infinity sitting in my office waiting for a proper set of keycaps, I'm having a bit of trouble with sourcing an appropriate right shift. 

Might end up just putting the stock blanks on their but I hate DSA profile  :'(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: luckynet on Fri, 08 April 2016, 21:00:39
for those looking for extra sets or missed the gb, there'll most likely be other custom sets coming for alps,as this gb have paved the way for other custom sets to be made with the already calibrated tooling. all thats need is someone to manage the group buys LOL

Yea, that's the hard part.

I happen to know for a fact that there are one or more parties interested in leading another Alps GB.

Cryptic enough?

(Hint: it's not me)

I was just wondering about this.

OuO yesh plox

omg OMG OMG. maybe they could do one on massdrop. so they could offer all sort of kits for it

also something like this would be super awesome, with RGBY or cmyk, either baige or something like the hyperfuse

http://imgur.com/a/FMtwY

also if anyone knows of a kingsaver for sale, please tell me, ive been looking for one, since like forever
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Fri, 08 April 2016, 21:40:35
for those looking for extra sets or missed the gb, there'll most likely be other custom sets coming for alps,as this gb have paved the way for other custom sets to be made with the already calibrated tooling. all thats need is someone to manage the group buys LOL

Yea, that's the hard part.

I happen to know for a fact that there are one or more parties interested in leading another Alps GB.

Cryptic enough?

(Hint: it's not me)

I was just wondering about this.

OuO yesh plox

omg OMG OMG. maybe they could do one on massdrop. so they could offer all sort of kits for it

also something like this would be super awesome, with RGBY or cmyk, either baige or something like the hyperfuse

http://imgur.com/a/FMtwY

also if anyone knows of a kingsaver for sale, please tell me, ive been looking for one, since like forever

Massdrop would be last place I go to get a set like this
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: atectatifern on Fri, 08 April 2016, 22:33:51
Concur. Lately, it seems MassDrop could fsck up a wet dream with delays, promises, then more delays. Best to run without them.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: monotagary on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:30:04
Is there any good info someone might have on bending stab wires to work with this keycap set?

I just got my build done the other day and am absolutely loving the colorway and the feel of these caps on my blue alps, but I don't have any stabs! So the spacebar, left shift, and enter are all feeling quite off. I'd love if someone had some good details on getting the right wire and the proper measurements for a 2.25u wire and a 7u wire.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:32:24
Is there any good info someone might have on bending stab wires to work with this keycap set?

I just got my build done the other day and am absolutely loving the colorway and the feel of these caps on my blue alps, but I don't have any stabs! So the spacebar, left shift, and enter are all feeling quite off. I'd love if someone had some good details on getting the right wire and the proper measurements for a 2.25u wire and a 7u wire.

Previously in this thread: a tutorial (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg2044488#msg2044488).
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:41:12
Is there any good info someone might have on bending stab wires to work with this keycap set?

I just got my build done the other day and am absolutely loving the colorway and the feel of these caps on my blue alps, but I don't have any stabs! So the spacebar, left shift, and enter are all feeling quite off. I'd love if someone had some good details on getting the right wire and the proper measurements for a 2.25u wire and a 7u wire.

I used K&S #502 music wire and it worked like a champ. The only challenge is keeping all of the bends in the same plane.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: monotagary on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:52:40
Is there any good info someone might have on bending stab wires to work with this keycap set?

I just got my build done the other day and am absolutely loving the colorway and the feel of these caps on my blue alps, but I don't have any stabs! So the spacebar, left shift, and enter are all feeling quite off. I'd love if someone had some good details on getting the right wire and the proper measurements for a 2.25u wire and a 7u wire.

I used K&S #502 music wire and it worked like a champ. The only challenge is keeping all of the bends in the same plane.

Thanks! I'll have to check that stuff out, and I will probably just use a bending jig and a lot of measuring to make sure everything goes smooth.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 11 April 2016, 21:53:44
Is there any good info someone might have on bending stab wires to work with this keycap set?

I just got my build done the other day and am absolutely loving the colorway and the feel of these caps on my blue alps, but I don't have any stabs! So the spacebar, left shift, and enter are all feeling quite off. I'd love if someone had some good details on getting the right wire and the proper measurements for a 2.25u wire and a 7u wire.

I used K&S #502 music wire and it worked like a champ. The only challenge is keeping all of the bends in the same plane.

Thanks! I'll have to check that stuff out, and I will probably just use a bending jig and a lot of measuring to make sure everything goes smooth.
Bending jig is definitely worth the investment. Even for one board's worth of bending.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Tue, 12 April 2016, 05:16:52
Is there any good info someone might have on bending stab wires to work with this keycap set?

I just got my build done the other day and am absolutely loving the colorway and the feel of these caps on my blue alps, but I don't have any stabs! So the spacebar, left shift, and enter are all feeling quite off. I'd love if someone had some good details on getting the right wire and the proper measurements for a 2.25u wire and a 7u wire.

I used K&S #502 music wire and it worked like a champ. The only challenge is keeping all of the bends in the same plane.

Thanks! I'll have to check that stuff out, and I will probably just use a bending jig and a lot of measuring to make sure everything goes smooth.
Bending jig is definitely worth the investment. Even for one board's worth of bending.

No question, it was the best $20 that I've spent in a long time.

I think I spent an hour measuring and bending my first three test springs. Once I figured it out and documented the dimensions, I bent all of the springs that I needed in 20 minutes. Just be careful about keeping all of the bends in the same plane. A small error on a long spacebar spring, for instance, gets magnified, due to the length. There is nothing difficult about it it just takes patience and attention to detail.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Pikly on Mon, 18 April 2016, 09:19:40
Is there any good info someone might have on bending stab wires to work with this keycap set?

I just got my build done the other day and am absolutely loving the colorway and the feel of these caps on my blue alps, but I don't have any stabs! So the spacebar, left shift, and enter are all feeling quite off. I'd love if someone had some good details on getting the right wire and the proper measurements for a 2.25u wire and a 7u wire.

I used K&S #502 music wire and it worked like a champ. The only challenge is keeping all of the bends in the same plane.

Thanks! I'll have to check that stuff out, and I will probably just use a bending jig and a lot of measuring to make sure everything goes smooth.
Bending jig is definitely worth the investment. Even for one board's worth of bending.

No question, it was the best $20 that I've spent in a long time.

I think I spent an hour measuring and bending my first three test springs. Once I figured it out and documented the dimensions, I bent all of the springs that I needed in 20 minutes. Just be careful about keeping all of the bends in the same plane. A small error on a long spacebar spring, for instance, gets magnified, due to the length. There is nothing difficult about it it just takes patience and attention to detail.

What bending jig do you have? I'm needing to make some stabilizers, and I can't seem to find one that would work well for the small diameter wires.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Mon, 18 April 2016, 09:27:03
Is there any good info someone might have on bending stab wires to work with this keycap set?

I just got my build done the other day and am absolutely loving the colorway and the feel of these caps on my blue alps, but I don't have any stabs! So the spacebar, left shift, and enter are all feeling quite off. I'd love if someone had some good details on getting the right wire and the proper measurements for a 2.25u wire and a 7u wire.

I used K&S #502 music wire and it worked like a champ. The only challenge is keeping all of the bends in the same plane.

Thanks! I'll have to check that stuff out, and I will probably just use a bending jig and a lot of measuring to make sure everything goes smooth.
Bending jig is definitely worth the investment. Even for one board's worth of bending.

No question, it was the best $20 that I've spent in a long time.

I think I spent an hour measuring and bending my first three test springs. Once I figured it out and documented the dimensions, I bent all of the springs that I needed in 20 minutes. Just be careful about keeping all of the bends in the same plane. A small error on a long spacebar spring, for instance, gets magnified, due to the length. There is nothing difficult about it it just takes patience and attention to detail.

What bending jig do you have? I'm needing to make some stabilizers, and I can't seem to find one that would work well for the small diameter wires.

It's a Du-Bro #480. They can be found in hobby shops as they are commonly used for bending control rods and landing gear for model airplanes. I got mine from that "Big River" store.

The music wire that you want is from K&S Precision Metals, #502.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Pikly on Mon, 18 April 2016, 10:31:39
It's a Du-Bro #480. They can be found in hobby shops as they are commonly used for bending control rods and landing gear for model airplanes. I got mine from that "Big River" store.

The music wire that you want is from K&S Precision Metals, #502.

Thank you! I have come across that tool before in my searching, but I wasn't sure if it was strong enough to bend music wire. Good to know that it will work for this application.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Mon, 18 April 2016, 10:56:53
It's a Du-Bro #480. They can be found in hobby shops as they are commonly used for bending control rods and landing gear for model airplanes. I got mine from that "Big River" store.

The music wire that you want is from K&S Precision Metals, #502.

Thank you! I have come across that tool before in my searching, but I wasn't sure if it was strong enough to bend music wire. Good to know that it will work for this application.

The tool is plastic, therefore if you are so inclined, I'm sure that you could break it if you were to put your mind to it. This small gauge K&S music wire bends really easily, though, so if you use the tool as intended you shouldn't have any issues, whatsoever.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Tyr on Thu, 21 April 2016, 04:34:38
Hey all, just a quick non-update update. Nothing new to report. My last correspondence with SP was exactly one month ago (Feb. 24), which means based on a six-week lead time we've still got a couple of weeks to wait before the replacement keycaps arrive.

So any update on the SP front ?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 21 April 2016, 07:12:33
Hey all, just a quick non-update update. Nothing new to report. My last correspondence with SP was exactly one month ago (Feb. 24), which means based on a six-week lead time we've still got a couple of weeks to wait before the replacement keycaps arrive.

So any update on the SP front ?
Not yet. I'm going to email them this week and ask for an ETA. Thanks for your patience, everyone.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Thu, 21 April 2016, 07:16:30
Hey all, just a quick non-update update. Nothing new to report. My last correspondence with SP was exactly one month ago (Feb. 24), which means based on a six-week lead time we've still got a couple of weeks to wait before the replacement keycaps arrive.

So any update on the SP front ?
Not yet. I'm going to email them this week and ask for an ETA. Thanks for your patience, everyone.

I'm sure that we all recognize that you have no control over SP's production schedule.

Thanks for sticking with this!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: Tyr on Fri, 22 April 2016, 11:54:34
date on the SP front ?
Not yet. I'm going to email them this week and ask for an ETA. Thanks for your patience, everyone.

Ok thanks  :thumb:. I don't mean to come off as impatient, it's just that as an "international" I have a beautiful board here but no keycaps to put on it  :'( not even crooked ones lol.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 22 April 2016, 22:34:16
Hey guys, I'm going to buy some of the K&S Precision Metal music wire #502 to make some Alps stabilizer wire.  Let me know if anyone else wants any.  I will have way too much for myself. 

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/k+s/k+s502.htm
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 22 April 2016, 23:30:03
Hey guys, I'm going to buy some of the K&S Precision Metal music wire #502 to make some Alps stabilizer wire.  Let me know if anyone else wants any.  I will have way too much for myself. 

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/k+s/k+s502.htm

If anyone is looking for shorter lengths or an alternate source for music wire, everyones favorites supply shop has it in 1 ft lengths

http://www.mcmaster.com/#8907k52/=123nnf2


Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 23 April 2016, 07:46:30
Hey guys, I'm going to buy some of the K&S Precision Metal music wire #502 to make some Alps stabilizer wire.  Let me know if anyone else wants any.  I will have way too much for myself. 

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/k+s/k+s502.htm

If anyone is looking for shorter lengths or an alternate source for music wire, everyones favorites supply shop has it in 1 ft lengths

http://www.mcmaster.com/#8907k52/=123nnf2

THanks.  Yea, per foot cost is cheaper with McMaster.  Higher costs shipped, though, if you are just buying for yourself.

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 23 April 2016, 12:11:43
Hey guys, I'm going to buy some of the K&S Precision Metal music wire #502 to make some Alps stabilizer wire.  Let me know if anyone else wants any.  I will have way too much for myself. 

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/k+s/k+s502.htm

If anyone is looking for shorter lengths or an alternate source for music wire, everyones favorites supply shop has it in 1 ft lengths

http://www.mcmaster.com/#8907k52/=123nnf2

THanks.  Yea, per foot cost is cheaper with McMaster.  Higher costs shipped, though, if you are just buying for yourself.

In my experience, McMaster shipping is superfast though.  I usually get it the next day. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 23 April 2016, 13:44:42
Yea, I usually get it next day from McMaster-Carr because I am close to their Chicago warehouse.  I ended up making a purchase from McMaster-Carr.  I don't need 100 ft of this stuff by any means, so if anyone is interested, please let me know through PM and I can send some to you.

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 02 May 2016, 23:00:53
Sooo any news on the SP front?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 03 May 2016, 12:05:27
Not yet. I just shot another email to Melissa, I'll let you know as soon as I hear back.

Thanks for your patience, everyone.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 03 May 2016, 14:33:06
Alright. SP got back to me. Apparently the order shipped via ground late last week, so I should get it this week at some point. I'll keep you posted!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 03 May 2016, 14:54:36
Hype!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Tue, 03 May 2016, 15:04:28
Whoo Hoo!   :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: merlin64 on Tue, 03 May 2016, 15:21:29
Wow! Awesome news!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: axtran on Tue, 03 May 2016, 16:48:57
Yay! I bought my sets secondhand from others--should I PM you about it?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: qazeqaz on Tue, 03 May 2016, 19:58:10
Never had an ALPS board, are there any extras of these by chance?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: StormyMonday on Tue, 03 May 2016, 21:55:50
Never had an ALPS board, are there any extras of these by chance?

There's no time like the present to get yourself some Alps satisfaction!

Skully has some basic Tai-HaoAlps caps for these:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77084.0;topicseen

Here is a TK and a TKL that are starting to come together:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.0;topicseen

Hasu is doing another run on his 60% PCB. Nor sure if they're all spoken for yet:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81740.0;topicseen
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: braidn on Wed, 04 May 2016, 19:48:56
Awesome news on the replacement. Incredible work here njbair
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 04 May 2016, 21:28:20
Great news about the caps being on the way :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 05 May 2016, 12:12:23
Enjoying sort them again.... :-X :-[
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 05 May 2016, 19:42:05
Good news, the replacements are here. They arrived today.

I've got commitments tonight and tomorrow, but I hope to have time to dig into the sets this weekend and look them over. I'll do my best in the coming weeks to block out time for sorting, packing and shipping. But frankly, because SP didn't provide notice, it's going to be a bit of a scramble. I'll keep you updated.

Originally I had set aside international orders until last due to invoicing. This time, since everyone has to pay for shipping again, I think I'm going to pack and weigh everything, then invoice the sets on a first-come, first-served basis. US-based orders, please remember that the USPS has raised prices since original invoicing, so expect to pay a little more this time.

Thank you all for your patience through this ordeal. We're nearing the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 05 May 2016, 19:44:34
you da real mvp, njbair
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 05 May 2016, 19:55:25
Godspeed.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: StormyMonday on Thu, 05 May 2016, 20:11:49
Good news, the replacements are here. They arrived today.

I've got commitments tonight and tomorrow, but I hope to have time to dig into the sets this weekend and look them over. I'll do my best in the coming weeks to block out time for sorting, packing and shipping. But frankly, because SP didn't provide notice, it's going to be a bit of a scramble. I'll keep you updated.

Originally I had set aside international orders until last due to invoicing. This time, since everyone has to pay for shipping again, I think I'm going to pack and weigh everything, then invoice the sets on a first-come, first-served basis. US-based orders, please remember that the USPS has raised prices since original invoicing, so expect to pay a little more this time.

Thank you all for your patience through this ordeal. We're nearing the end of the tunnel.

Just because some of us don't have a life, doesn't mean that you can't. Take your time; we've waited this long, so a couple of more days won't make any difference.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Badwrench on Thu, 05 May 2016, 20:12:24
Good news, the replacements are here. They arrived today.

I've got commitments tonight and tomorrow, but I hope to have time to dig into the sets this weekend and look them over. I'll do my best in the coming weeks to block out time for sorting, packing and shipping. But frankly, because SP didn't provide notice, it's going to be a bit of a scramble. I'll keep you updated.

Originally I had set aside international orders until last due to invoicing. This time, since everyone has to pay for shipping again, I think I'm going to pack and weigh everything, then invoice the sets on a first-come, first-served basis. US-based orders, please remember that the USPS has raised prices since original invoicing, so expect to pay a little more this time.

Thank you all for your patience through this ordeal. We're nearing the end of the tunnel.

I think that is the best way to go about it.  Let me know if you need any more bags, I still have a ton of them.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 06 May 2016, 00:12:49
The board I plan to install these on is still a ways out. So take your sweet, sweet time.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 06 May 2016, 07:46:01
Good news, the replacements are here. They arrived today.

I've got commitments tonight and tomorrow, but I hope to have time to dig into the sets this weekend and look them over. I'll do my best in the coming weeks to block out time for sorting, packing and shipping. But frankly, because SP didn't provide notice, it's going to be a bit of a scramble. I'll keep you updated.

Originally I had set aside international orders until last due to invoicing. This time, since everyone has to pay for shipping again, I think I'm going to pack and weigh everything, then invoice the sets on a first-come, first-served basis. US-based orders, please remember that the USPS has raised prices since original invoicing, so expect to pay a little more this time.

Thank you all for your patience through this ordeal. We're nearing the end of the tunnel.

I think that is the best way to go about it.  Let me know if you need any more bags, I still have a ton of them.   :thumb:
Damnit, I had something for this! Oh! Did the cocaine business not work out? You know? Cause... bags...

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Tyr on Sat, 07 May 2016, 14:11:10
Thank you all for your patience through this ordeal. We're nearing the end of the tunnel.

Thanks for all the hard work. It takes a special kind of crazy to organise a gb  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: StormyMonday on Sat, 07 May 2016, 15:34:03
Thank you all for your patience through this ordeal. We're nearing the end of the tunnel.

Thanks for all the hard work. It takes a special kind of crazy to organise a gb  ;D

True dat!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: derpingit on Sun, 08 May 2016, 02:57:09
thanks for all your hard work, njbair. i sent you a pm that i had not received invoice for shipping, but i'll wait my turn patiently if you planned to do that later. have a great weekend :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 08 May 2016, 06:43:38
Hey all, thanks for your kind words. If you sent me a PM rest assured I have it, I'll respond to all those soon. In case you're wondering, no invoices have gone out yet. I haven't even opened the shipping box yet!

And yes I suppose it does take a measure of insanity to do this. But who wants to just do boring, non-crazy things? That's no fun. Now, the real crazy one here is BlueNalgene, who is doing it again.

I'm planning to take a look at the caps tonight after the Mother's Day festivities are done. For the record though, given everything SP has been through with this order, I'm sure they went over it with a fine-toothed comb this time. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sun, 08 May 2016, 07:12:58
Ty for all the hard work and time you have put into this njbair
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 09 May 2016, 08:06:41
Great to see the caps are in.  :)  Thanks for all your work, njbair, and don't kill yourself just to get us our caps.  I can wait.  :P
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 09 May 2016, 08:08:05
What Hoff said. Thanks for all your hard work on these caps. It's good to know you've at least got the caps in hand.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 09 May 2016, 21:42:43
And yes I suppose it does take a measure of insanity to do this. But who wants to just do boring, non-crazy things? That's no fun. Now, the real crazy one here is BlueNalgene, who is doing it again.

Oh staaaaahp.  I'm blushing.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: infodroid on Wed, 11 May 2016, 09:23:08
I am not sure why I ordered the Infinity Hacker Spacebar (6U) 2-Pack when I really needed the AEK II Spacebar (6.5U) 2-Pack. Is there anybody that wants to swap or who doesn't need their AEK II Spacebar pack? PM me.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 11 May 2016, 16:22:49
I am not sure why I ordered the Infinity Hacker Spacebar (6U) 2-Pack when I really needed the AEK II Spacebar (6.5U) 2-Pack. Is there anybody that wants to swap or who doesn't need their AEK II Spacebar pack? PM me.

pm'd
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 12 May 2016, 19:30:17
And yes I suppose it does take a measure of insanity to do this. But who wants to just do boring, non-crazy things? That's no fun. Now, the real crazy one here is BlueNalgene, who is doing it again.

Oh staaaaahp.  I'm blushing.

Self torture does produce an adrenaline rush for awhile.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 13 May 2016, 19:29:12
Well I finally managed to carve out some time at home without the family this evening so I could dig into this new shipment without "help" from a 4-year-old. Because although he means well, these caps are too valuable--and too lose-able--to risk it.

So here's what we've got:

(http://i.imgur.com/QM4tZHr.jpg)

I went through and checked a few sets, and indeed they all have stems the same height! The only problem I could find was that the replacement ISO enter key has an MX stem. But after going through and checking a bunch of original sets (I still have all the international orders on-hand), it looks like the mold for the ISO enters was correct, so the original ISO enters already match the new, corrected caps. So basically everyone gets a free Cherry MX ISO enter, I guess.

If you already have your order then all I need to do is box up your replacements and invoice you for shipping. If you don't already have your order, I'll cherry-pick the spacebars and ISO enter from the original order and pack it up with the replacements. I'll contact you to give you a choice whether you want to keep the mistaken originals as spares and pay for the extra shipping weight. As I've mentioned in the past if enough people opt not to keep their mistakes I'd love to eventually sift through them and put together as many good sets as possible using the mistakes and other leftover extras, then sell those extra sets in the classifieds with the proceeds going towards GeekHack's operational costs.

I'm going to start invoicing, but don't worry if I don't get to you this weekend. There's a good bit of hand-work involved here and I want to make sure I get it right. Thanks again for your patience.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 13 May 2016, 19:32:49
Well I finally managed to carve out some time at home without the family this evening so I could dig into this new shipment without "help" from a 4-year-old. Because although he means well, these caps are too valuable--and too lose-able--to risk it.

So here's what we've got:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/QM4tZHr.jpg)


I went through and checked a few sets, and indeed they all have stems the same height! The only problem I could find was that the replacement ISO enter key has an MX stem. But after going through and checking a bunch of original sets (I still have all the international orders on-hand), it looks like the mold for the ISO enters was correct, so the original ISO enters already match the new, corrected caps. So basically everyone gets a free Cherry MX ISO enter, I guess.

If you already have your order then all I need to do is box up your replacements and invoice you for shipping. If you don't already have your order, I'll cherry-pick the spacebars and ISO enter from the original order and pack it up with the replacements. I'll contact you to give you a choice whether you want to keep the mistaken originals as spares and pay for the extra shipping weight. As I've mentioned in the past if enough people opt not to keep their mistakes I'd love to eventually sift through them and put together as many good sets as possible using the mistakes and other leftover extras, then sell those extra sets in the classifieds with the proceeds going towards GeekHack's operational costs.

I'm going to start invoicing, but don't worry if I don't get to you this weekend. There's a good bit of hand-work involved here and I want to make sure I get it right. Thanks again for your patience.

Thank you for all of your hard work. Thank you SP for giving us ISO Enter MX\Alps keycap!  :p
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 13 May 2016, 22:03:04
Thanks njbair.  We owe you one.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:01:54
There's a good bit of hand-work involved here and I want to make sure I get it right. Thanks again for your patience.

And we thank you for all that effort (especially since you didn't really sign up for this part).  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: skaloola on Tue, 17 May 2016, 00:35:48
Wait a few pages back you said that the spacebars would be part of the replacements.

I got rid of the first batch already.  Did I mess up?  Am I going to be without spacebars for my replacement pack?  (I ordered 1x of each type of spacebar)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 18 May 2016, 00:56:03
Thank you for the update and all your hard work nj
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 18 May 2016, 15:08:22
A++ would join a njbair group buy again.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: derpingit on Mon, 23 May 2016, 11:38:12
Hi, njBar.. please don't forget me.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Now)
Post by: skaloola on Fri, 27 May 2016, 19:55:20
Does the re-run include space bars as well?  I know those had mistakes already, but not sure if they also had the stem issue resolved in the re-run.

I was told they are going to re-run the entire order.

Wait a few pages back you said that the spacebars would be part of the replacements.

I got rid of the first batch already.  Did I mess up?  Am I going to be without spacebars for my replacement pack?  (I ordered 1x of each type of spacebar)

Any word on this?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 May 2016, 10:30:56
Hey, folks. I've set aside all day to work on boxing, weighing and invoicing. I hope to plow through a good chunk of orders here today. Last time seemed way easier than this. But then again I was starting with a blank slate, not a mish-mosh of some orders are already shipped and some are still here, this guy's order got returned to sender, and all kinds of other edge cases that have popped up since the first wave of shipping.

Wait a few pages back you said that the spacebars would be part of the replacements.

I got rid of the first batch already.  Did I mess up?  Am I going to be without spacebars for my replacement pack?  (I ordered 1x of each type of spacebar)

Unfortunately for you, the replacements do not include spacebars.

You're referring to this post:

Does the re-run include space bars as well?  I know those had mistakes already, but not sure if they also had the stem issue resolved in the re-run.

I was told they are going to re-run the entire order.

In my mind, I was expecting full replacement sets. But looking back through the email thread, SP never actually came out and said "we are going to re-run the entire set." Likewise, they never came out and said they were going to run a partial replacement order.

Originally when I contacted SP about the mismatched heights issue, Melissa asked me, "does it look like we need to re-run the entire set?" To which I replied, "I am willing to meet SP in the middle if you can think of a cheaper alternative to full replacement sets, but based on the info I have from buyers there is no apparent consistency to the issue."

That's basically where we left it. So my guess is that SP determined that the original run of spacebars were all produced using the correct molds and so there was no need to re-run them.

I feel bad that you're going to be stuck with no spacebars due to an innocent assumption. If you let me know which spacebars you actually plan to use I'll give them to you out of my personal sets and ship them to you with your replacements.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 May 2016, 11:02:39
International buyers, I just PM'd all of you individually about whether you want me to include the mistaken caps with your order. If you don't see it in your inbox, PM me your preference ASAP. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: joey on Sat, 28 May 2016, 11:06:16
Got the PM, thanks. In a few hours, I will review the shipping and get back to you :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 May 2016, 12:05:00
Bad news if you are waiting for blanks. SP forgot to include some of them in the replacement order, so if your order has blanks I'll have to table it until new replacements arrive. Sorry...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 28 May 2016, 19:21:54
International order with blanks here.

RIP my life  :))
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 30 May 2016, 01:45:15
For once I am grateful that I didn't order blanks
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: harlw on Mon, 30 May 2016, 06:03:09
So many blanks in my order, lol. Feel so bad for you OP. This is a nightmare for you.



Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 June 2016, 09:45:54
Just heard back from Melissa at SP. She sounds as frustrated with the production issues as we are. She told me they'll start on the remakes ASAP.

Shipping-wise, this weekend I managed to get over half of the replacement orders boxed up and ready to be weighed, invoiced, and shipped. Some of you may start seeing shipping invoices arrive this week, depending on how my evenings go. It's looking like domestic orders will ship for around $8-$10. This is higher than the first time around, mostly because I undercharged last time and the USPS raised their rates in between when I sent out invoices and when I mailed out the sets. Your shipping cost will just be the cost of shipping from my address to your USPS shipping zone, plus a small flat per-buyer amount (~$1) to cover the cost of more boxes and packing materials.

I'm still waiting to hear back from a number of international folks about whether they want their mistake sets. In the meantime I'm prioritizing orders that are ready to go (i.e., not waiting on blanks), both domestic and international.


- njbair on my Monarch
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: joey on Wed, 01 June 2016, 09:54:56
I'm still waiting to hear back from a number of international folks about whether they want their mistake sets.

Totally slipped my mind, sorry. Set an alarm to do it tonight.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 01 June 2016, 14:25:23
Just heard back from Melissa at SP. She sounds as frustrated with the production issues as we are. She told me they'll start on the remakes ASAP.

Shipping-wise, this weekend I managed to get over half of the replacement orders boxed up and ready to be weighed, invoiced, and shipped. Some of you may start seeing shipping invoices arrive this week, depending on how my evenings go. It's looking like domestic orders will ship for around $8-$10. This is higher than the first time around, mostly because I undercharged last time and the USPS raised their rates in between when I sent out invoices and when I mailed out the sets. Your shipping cost will just be the cost of shipping from my address to your USPS shipping zone, plus a small flat per-buyer amount (~$1) to cover the cost of more boxes and packing materials.

I'm still waiting to hear back from a number of international folks about whether they want their mistake sets. In the meantime I'm prioritizing orders that are ready to go (i.e., not waiting on blanks), both domestic and international.


- njbair on my Monarch

I think the shipping price is very reasonable, especially when you explain the reasoning behind it. The way I see it, I'm getting two sets for the price of one plus additional shipping. My mistake set is still very much usable and it's currently on my V60MTS.

Again, only speaking for myself here, please take all the time you need. There's no rush to receive the replacement set on my end. If there are other people who want their sets ASAP for whatever reason, I don't mind moving further back in line.

And as always, thank you for your efforts.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: E3E on Fri, 10 June 2016, 23:14:39
Finally got a case for my second Alps Duck Eagle that I hotswap modded along with the original.
And it matches Alpine Winter very well! :D

Of course the cable or wrist rest doesn't match, but hey. :P I'll have to get some paracord again and a white rest or something.

 
(http://i.imgur.com/nOfBWwk.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ue0rOXt.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WGSRVBc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/PRriGpZ.jpg)

It's an FMJ design #1. :D

Using SKCM Brown at the moment:

(http://puu.sh/pou5a/6f3ae349db.JPG)

I tried this with like three or four different cap OG Alps sets mixed with the Badwrench DCS mod pack and Alpine Winter mods before I decided to just put Alpine Winter on entirely.  :-\
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 11 June 2016, 09:11:27
 So, will there be an Alpine Spring? Now that the waterbottle is teasing a 75% and a TK, I feel my wallet tingling...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 11 June 2016, 11:00:07
@E3E: How do you like the brown Alps? I have a 60% custom hasu Alps64 with brown Alps that I purchased from another enthusiast who harvested the browns from a VideoWriter keyboard. I've put it in a black TEX aluminum case and changed the caps to blank black ABS modifiers from Matias and dye-sub PBT alphas from an IBM 5140. The switches from the VideoWriter seem heavier than those in the IBM 5140, but this might be partially due to the PCB mounting of the switches in the IBM. In any event, the brown Alps certainly have a pronounced tactile feedback; the board feels extremely solid.

When my Alpine Winter replacements arrive, I will try them out, possibly on one of my Matias-switch V60s.

I hope to find the time this summer to build my own 60% Alps; I am undecided about which switches to use. I have more brown Alps that I could desolder and brand new Matias Click and Matias Quiet switches, but I would like to try something different. I have some potential donor boards with white or salmon Alps, but the white Alps boards are too nice as they are and the salmon Alps feel like they need cleaning. I have yet to acquire a blue Alps board, and now the prices on these are ridiculously high.

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 13 June 2016, 07:00:22
Have all the invoices for international shipping gone out yet because I didn't receive anything ?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 18 June 2016, 20:16:10
any update on the international orders?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 21 June 2016, 11:40:07
Hey everyone, apologies for my absence the past few weeks. I've been putting in 70+ work hours due to special projects. But I took this week off for vacation and I'm sitting down now to send out invoices and hope to finish packing up orders today.

In the meantime, the replacement blanks have arrived and I'm going to start sorting them once I get some invoices sent out.

Seriously everyone, thanks for not biting my head off after all the delays. Your patience has been incredible.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: axtran on Tue, 21 June 2016, 11:48:30
Thanks for the update, njbair! PM-ing you about my sets.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Badwrench on Tue, 21 June 2016, 13:49:04
Hey everyone, apologies for my absence the past few weeks. I've been putting in 70+ work hours due to special projects. But I took this week off for vacation and I'm sitting down now to send out invoices and hope to finish packing up orders today.

In the meantime, the replacement blanks have arrived and I'm going to start sorting them once I get some invoices sent out.

Seriously everyone, thanks for not biting my head off after all the delays. Your patience has been incredible.
Life and Family first buddy.  Don't kill your whole vacation working on this stuff.  I am no hurry for mine, get those who don't have anything yet done first.   :thumb:

Thank you again for all the hard work. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: PriusProblems on Tue, 21 June 2016, 14:48:52
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Tyr on Tue, 21 June 2016, 18:17:34
Seriously everyone, thanks for not biting my head off after all the delays. Your patience has been incredible.


Thanks for the check-in, we all know how life can get in the way of the really important stuff like keyboards  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 21 June 2016, 18:50:55
Thanks for the update. Priority always comes first.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Wed, 22 June 2016, 07:33:50
Invoice paid, thanks nj
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Texchappy on Thu, 23 June 2016, 20:05:40
I haven't installed my set yet because of the reported problems.  I should wait for the replacement set to be sure I don't have to uninstall and reinstall yes?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 29 June 2016, 16:25:33
I haven't received an invoice yet, NJ.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: kinglukas38 on Wed, 29 June 2016, 18:21:16
Still waiting on my invoice as well
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 29 June 2016, 18:39:27
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
+1
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 30 June 2016, 10:28:21
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
+1

+2
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: SJHL on Thu, 30 June 2016, 11:06:14
I also didn't get an invoice but Im sure its being worked on.


Also, Im interested in blanks for the numberpad if anyone has it for sale. Need 1u keycap for "0" key, though.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: SpikeBolt on Fri, 01 July 2016, 17:55:42
Same..
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 04 July 2016, 10:11:53
Hey guys. I just sent out another wave of invoices, which puts us at about the halfway mark. So if you haven't received your invoice yet don't worry, there's only a 50% chance I've gotten to you so far. International addresses are much harder to figure out. The USPS provides domestic rates in a nice little table, with rates based on zip code shipping zones. International orders, on the other hand, are based on voodoo and black magic as far as I can tell.

So I kind of need some advice on how to choose international rates. Is cheaper always better or do you guys want things like insurance? For those of you who have shipped internationally before, I'm open to any advice you can provide on streamlining the process of getting rates and generating labels.

One more thing, I'm sorry for the radio silence lately. I promised myself not to indulge in the keyboard hobby anymore until I get through these replacements, but an unintended side effect is that I haven't been around much.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 04 July 2016, 10:40:36
Tracking numbers is really the only must-have. Insurance is a joke.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 04 July 2016, 11:06:14
I'm pretty sure nobody ever bothers with insurance when shipping internationally, so I doubt anyone would expect that.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 04 July 2016, 11:18:20
Yep. Even if they accept the receipt (which is doubtful in a group buy scenario), we'll just be stuck with the money and have to wait til a rerun to get what we actually wanted :|
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 04 July 2016, 15:31:37
Ok so it sounds like insurance is a no-go, that actually helps a lot.

I'm going to look into one of those multi-service shipping rate retrieval tools like Shipgooder. That might make quicker work of this.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 04 July 2016, 15:48:11
Wow, you americans really DID kill the english language...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 04 July 2016, 15:55:57
Wow, you americans really DID kill the english language...
Shipgooder? I think we just ran out of dot-coms thanks to cyber-squatters.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 04 July 2016, 16:51:19
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
+1

+2

+3
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 04 July 2016, 17:22:25
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
+1

+2

+3
A chance, yes. A fair number of international buyers declined their mistake sets so I should be able to piece together some full correct sets. As previously stated, all proceeds will go to GH. But I'm not even going to mess with that until all original buyers have their orders.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: PriusProblems on Mon, 04 July 2016, 17:23:37
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
+1

+2

+3
A chance, yes. A fair number of international buyers declined their mistake sets so I should be able to piece together some full correct sets. As previously stated, all proceeds will go to GH. But I'm not even going to mess with that until all original buyers have their orders.
Thanks for the response, I'm in no rush anyway.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: nateth on Mon, 04 July 2016, 23:23:40
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
+1

+2

+3
A chance, yes. A fair number of international buyers declined their mistake sets so I should be able to piece together some full correct sets. As previously stated, all proceeds will go to GH. But I'm not even going to mess with that until all original buyers have their orders.


Please put me in for a set when you get the chance to piece together a few sets.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: romevi on Mon, 04 July 2016, 23:42:26
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
+1

+2

+3
A chance, yes. A fair number of international buyers declined their mistake sets so I should be able to piece together some full correct sets. As previously stated, all proceeds will go to GH. But I'm not even going to mess with that until all original buyers have their orders.

No rush! Thanks for thinking of those who missed out.  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 05 July 2016, 07:27:08
Let's make them pay triple  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: braidn on Tue, 05 July 2016, 13:23:52
NJ, just paid up for re-shipping of replacements. Thank you so much for this. Also will you be shipping to the same address as before because if so  :thumb: . You da best.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 05 July 2016, 15:18:21
Any chance of any leftovers being available?
+1

+2

+3
A chance, yes. A fair number of international buyers declined their mistake sets so I should be able to piece together some full correct sets. As previously stated, all proceeds will go to GH. But I'm not even going to mess with that until all original buyers have their orders.

Good news! I'll try and check on this thread periodically. If there are any left I would gladly buy one (or two!)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 08 July 2016, 23:20:14
Any update on when we can expect international orders to ship?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 16 July 2016, 22:46:12
Any update on when we can expect international orders to ship?

I think more than enough time has passed for an update
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: derpingit on Sat, 16 July 2016, 22:47:05
Any update on when we can expect international orders to ship?

I think more than enough time has passed for an update
Agreed !


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Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: sean on Sun, 17 July 2016, 00:22:45
Any update on when we can expect international orders to ship?

I think more than enough time has passed for an update

I'm domestic and I still haven't been shipped my fixed set. Patience is a virtue!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 17 July 2016, 00:57:49
I'm eager to throw money at you, but waiting on the invoice.  The warranty people at LG were a little suspicious when I claimed "monitors should be capable of me throwing my money at them... including coins."
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 19 July 2016, 19:36:22
Mine just got shipped today (label created on the 2nd). Should be here Thursday or Friday.

So fear not fellow Alps lovers, @njbair is making progress!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Wed, 20 July 2016, 08:09:37
Mine got shipped yesterday as well and is on the way to me so he is still around, hope he is alright
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 20 July 2016, 08:14:34
Of course he is, he told us he's just less active. A GB is a huge deal, I can totally imagine him being a little "enough already" about mechs while dealing with the shipping of all those kits.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 21 July 2016, 22:34:44
Mine arrived today, thanks njbair!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 22 July 2016, 11:31:26
I got mine.  Thanks bud.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 22 July 2016, 12:17:38
Great to see this finally wrapping up  :)  Ready to pay the extra shipping to get mine sent up to Canada as soon as the invoice comes in!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 22 July 2016, 13:24:31
Got mine as well! Now to fix all the stems so I don't lose any switches.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 22 July 2016, 14:15:19
Got mine as well! Now to fix all the stems so I don't lose any switches.

How do you do that? Could you show me?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 22 July 2016, 14:34:16
Got mine as well! Now to fix all the stems so I don't lose any switches.

How do you do that? Could you show me?

njbiar has the fix here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg2037974#msg2037974

The gist is you need to trim the back corners of the stem. I have a flat x-acto blade that works really well for me.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 22 July 2016, 15:52:57
Got mine as well! Now to fix all the stems so I don't lose any switches.

How do you do that? Could you show me?

njbiar has the fix here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg2037974#msg2037974

The gist is you need to trim the back corners of the stem. I have a flat x-acto blade that works really well for me.

Ah I see it now, neat!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 23 July 2016, 15:29:48
Quick update: I've created labels for another two dozen orders today, I'll get them shipped out this week and keep plugging along as time allows. Thanks as always for your patience, folks.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: scubaste on Sat, 23 July 2016, 15:35:34
Quick update: I've created labels for another two dozen orders today, I'll get them shipped out this week and keep plugging along as time allows. Thanks as always for your patience, folks.

Thanks for your persistence and updates, I'm sure you are as ready as anyone to complete this!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Texchappy on Sun, 24 July 2016, 02:31:54
Quick update: I've created labels for another two dozen orders today, I'll get them shipped out this week and keep plugging along as time allows. Thanks as always for your patience, folks.

Big thumbs up for going above and beyond to make sure everything is top notch.  It is well appreciated.  I've waited to pit the keycaps on until I got the corrected set and I'll be like a kid on Christmas morning when my new set arrives.  thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: JDragon on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:50:17
Just discovered the magic of Alps switches - so much better than Cherry! Eagerly awaiting any leftovers that might be available for sale. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: JimByr on Thu, 28 July 2016, 12:02:57
Nothing more exciting than receiving a package from Bad Motivator. Many thanks for all the hard work.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 28 July 2016, 12:23:02
Nothing more exciting than receiving a package from Bad Motivator. Many thanks for all the hard work.

Bad Motivator??
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: atectatifern on Thu, 28 July 2016, 19:06:21
Received replacements today -- thank you, njbair!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Badwrench on Thu, 28 July 2016, 19:58:26
I received mine as well.  Thanks for all the hard work njbair.

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Does anyone have a spare 6x spacebar from the set?  I gave mine away when I thought I wasn't going to need it, and now I have another Infinity. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 28 July 2016, 21:39:56
I received mine as well.  Thanks for all the hard work njbair.

(Attachment Link)

Does anyone have a spare 6x spacebar from the set?  I gave mine away when I thought I wasn't going to need it, and now I have another Infinity.

Pretty sure I ordered extras, so I could send you one if no-one the the US hooks you up before hand.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Badwrench on Thu, 28 July 2016, 21:59:13
I received mine as well.  Thanks for all the hard work njbair.

(Attachment Link)

Does anyone have a spare 6x spacebar from the set?  I gave mine away when I thought I wasn't going to need it, and now I have another Infinity.

Pretty sure I ordered extras, so I could send you one if no-one the the US hooks you up before hand.

Cool, thanks for the offer.  I will let you know if I find one. 
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 28 July 2016, 22:32:22
Folks don't worry if you haven't received an invoice yet. I'm whittling through the list slowly but surely.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 29 July 2016, 07:55:00
My replacement caps arrived yesterday. Thanks, njbair!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 29 July 2016, 08:17:42
Finally got a hold of a good AEK2 board! My original plan of one Dell board with AW caps and one Apple board with AEK2 caps from the alps party buy is coming true!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 29 July 2016, 10:04:00
Aaaand the nubs on D and K are driving me nuts!

Though I finally understand what Alps stabs are supposed to be like. Where can I get more of these?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: ipreferpie on Fri, 29 July 2016, 10:28:20
Omg, I can't believe I missed out on this GB. Would there be any extras available for purchase?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: emdude on Fri, 29 July 2016, 10:45:09
Aaaand the nubs on D and K are driving me nuts!

Though I finally understand what Alps stabs are supposed to be like. Where can I get more of these?

You can get them from Matias.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 29 July 2016, 11:26:57
Got mine last night. Thank you for all the hard work that you put in to this group buy!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Lurch on Fri, 29 July 2016, 12:12:36
Got mine today. Many thanks njbair. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 29 July 2016, 12:48:38
Aaaand the nubs on D and K are driving me nuts!

Though I finally understand what Alps stabs are supposed to be like. Where can I get more of these?

You can get them from Matias.

No no, those are the bad ones. The ones that keep me awake at night. I'm talking about the ones that came on the AEKII.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Zealousy on Sat, 30 July 2016, 10:51:40
I got my replacements last week, thanks a ton!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Texchappy on Sun, 31 July 2016, 01:30:35
Got mine today when I got back in town.  Look great and hope to get them on my board soon!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: derpingit on Fri, 05 August 2016, 17:24:07
Hi.. i would like to know what's going on with my order.. i haven;t received anything.. not an invoice, a notice, nothing..
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 05 August 2016, 18:39:06
I've still got lots of orders to invoice and ship. Don't worry if you haven't gotten an invoice yet. I'll get some more ready to go this weekend.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: sprit on Fri, 05 August 2016, 20:41:41
I've still got lots of orders to invoice and ship. Don't worry if you haven't gotten an invoice yet. I'll get some more ready to go this weekend.
Thanks!  njbair!      :thumb:   
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Radlife on Sun, 07 August 2016, 23:11:32
Does anyone have an extra Tab key that they wouldn't mind letting go? I bought this set second hand and it came with a broken tab (I bought it knowing that it was broken, tried to do a stem swap but wasn't successful). With people getting replacements soon I'll take any good tab key.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 07 August 2016, 23:39:27
Now if I could just figure out how to bend these cherry stab wires to fit the alps keys >:(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 08 August 2016, 01:21:37
I've still got lots of orders to invoice and ship. Don't worry if you haven't gotten an invoice yet. I'll get some more ready to go this weekend.

Thank you for your efforts. My Infinity is waiting to be dressed.

I received mine as well.  Thanks for all the hard work njbair.

(Attachment Link)

Does anyone have a spare 6x spacebar from the set?  I gave mine away when I thought I wasn't going to need it, and now I have another Infinity. 

Is it the shorter space bar wire from the Infinity kit? If so, you can have mine as I will not be using it.

Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: ctm on Mon, 15 August 2016, 19:17:30
Sigh... I regretted not jumping in when it was available :(
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: harlw on Fri, 19 August 2016, 13:41:01
I've still got lots of orders to invoice and ship. Don't worry if you haven't gotten an invoice yet. I'll get some more ready to go this weekend.


Thanks for the update and the steady progress!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: pace8500 on Mon, 22 August 2016, 06:11:02
This is a long shot but if anyone is looking to sell a set then let me know! Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: Tyr on Fri, 02 September 2016, 17:56:04
Hi, How many more to send out ? Coming up on the one year anniversary soon.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: kingslenkds on Fri, 02 September 2016, 20:35:32
good
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: eeymiel on Sat, 03 September 2016, 10:49:14
I've still got lots of orders to invoice and ship. Don't worry if you haven't gotten an invoice yet. I'll get some more ready to go this weekend.
Any update?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 03 September 2016, 11:36:41
Yeah, something like a completion percentage or one of those "21 days left" bars like when you install a game on steam would be nice :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 September 2016, 21:10:34
Well it's been a long, busy "day off," but I've now got every remaining order boxed up and sorted into two piles: ready to ship, and waiting on blanks. I'm about to start sorting blanks now, hopefully I can get that done tonight. Then it will simply be a matter of weighing all the packages, invoicing the shipping costs, and sending them out.

This is the most progress I've made on this buy in a while, so that's really encouraging. I'm hoping to wrap everything up within the next couple of weeks. Thanks as always for your patience, everyone.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Replacements Received)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 06 September 2016, 06:49:57
I've been showerthinking about this for weeks: does anyone know how much Massdrop is paying their third party shipping company for sorting and shipping keysets? Could be worth a few bucks extra per set to not put this AMAZING amount of work on the buy runner...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 September 2016, 12:46:26
UPDATE: All orders are now boxed, all that's left is weighing, invoicing, and shipping.

My wife and I managed to go through and sort all the blanks last night, and got them boxed up with their respective orders. So I'm going to borrow the postage scale from work some night this week, and get everything weighed. From there I can start calculating shipping totals and get some invoices sent out.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: scubaste on Tue, 06 September 2016, 12:50:38
UPDATE: All orders are now boxed, all that's left is weighing, invoicing, and shipping.

My wife and I managed to go through and sort all the blanks last night, and got them boxed up with their respective orders. So I'm going to borrow the postage scale from work some night this week, and get everything weighed. From there I can start calculating shipping totals and get some invoices sent out.

Excellent news!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 06 September 2016, 13:12:36
UPDATE: All orders are now boxed, all that's left is weighing, invoicing, and shipping.

My wife and I managed to go through and sort all the blanks last night, and got them boxed up with their respective orders. So I'm going to borrow the postage scale from work some night this week, and get everything weighed. From there I can start calculating shipping totals and get some invoices sent out.

Nice work!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 08 September 2016, 00:08:20
Thanks for all your hard work njbair :)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: Zealousy on Thu, 08 September 2016, 04:10:52
Did the artisan winners ever post their boards? Would be lovely to see.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 September 2016, 10:11:07
Did the artisan winners ever post their boards? Would be lovely to see.

I don't think I ever saw any pics from them...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 08 September 2016, 10:19:46
(http://i.imgur.com/wBZZo3D.jpg?1)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 08 September 2016, 10:33:03
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wBZZo3D.jpg?1)


u fk
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 08 September 2016, 11:40:12
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wBZZo3D.jpg?1)


Then sold for retail, as is tradition.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: luckynet on Thu, 08 September 2016, 20:49:49
soon it's going to be a year and i still haven't gotten my set T.T
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: axtran on Wed, 21 September 2016, 22:14:41
Hey njbair, I didn't receive an invoice from you... should I PM you?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 22 September 2016, 07:45:03
Has it really been a year already? Wow.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: Den441 on Thu, 22 September 2016, 19:17:53
Hey njbair, I didn't receive an invoice from you... should I PM you?

Same here, I'm hoping we are pretty close now though. It's been a couple weeks since his last update, and from what I understand the only things left were weighing, invoicing, and shipping.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 03 October 2016, 22:30:09
Any progress on the invoicing and shipping?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: derpingit on Tue, 04 October 2016, 00:53:48
Please update... this is not cool.


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Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 04 October 2016, 05:39:23
No invoice here, but I'm still not complaining. **** happens.

I'll just patiently wait until more details unfold. I don't think nj would bail on us.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 04 October 2016, 10:29:04
No invoice here, but I'm still not complaining. **** happens.

I'll just patiently wait until more details unfold. I don't think nj would bail on us.

No invoice here either. I do have faith that it will come together... but...  when people have been waiting this long, getting 4 weeks of silence is a bit ****.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: Tyr on Sun, 09 October 2016, 18:08:06
No invoice here, but I'm still not complaining. **** happens.

I'll just patiently wait until more details unfold. I don't think nj would bail on us.

My main annoyance is that some people have had keycaps in hand for 8 months now, US people started getting their replacement sets 4 months ago, and some of us are still haven't seen one keycap. Feels like the forum regulars got theirs and international casual users can go suck a lemon. Frankly I could have bought one of several sets I saw on /r/mechmarket by now.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 09 October 2016, 22:18:56
No invoice here, but I'm still not complaining. **** happens.

I'll just patiently wait until more details unfold. I don't think nj would bail on us.

My main annoyance is that some people have had keycaps in hand for 8 months now, US people started getting their replacement sets 4 months ago, and some of us are still haven't seen one keycap. Feels like the forum regulars got theirs and international casual users can go suck a lemon. Frankly I could have bought one of several sets I saw on /r/mechmarket by now.

Ditto.

When the GB leader hasn't posted anywhere on the forum for a month, it's a bit of a slap in the face after a year long GB with no keys to INTL buyers who supported from the start   :'(

I was in the first 50. Not seen a key yet.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: E3E on Sun, 09 October 2016, 22:24:28
Good point. I apologize for my ignorance regarding that issue concerning the international buyers still waiting on receiving anything at all. I entirely forgot that njbair waited on shipping those until the replacements arrived.
 
Yeah, I don't know what's going on here. NJ should at least post SOME kind of update, but I know how it can be when the guilt train hits you hard and you feel like you can't show your face until you have something to speak of (and I know it could be any number of reasons, not just guilt).

Still, we don't need another SethK or Ivan incident here.

I have received my original orders, but I didn't receive the replacement sets as I put in a large blank order so that puts me at the end of the priority list. Anyone in the US still not have replacement sets?
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: skullydazed on Sun, 09 October 2016, 22:35:50
I emailed njbair last week to see if I could offer any help with this stuff. I built a lot of machinery with Nantucket Selectric that could help him. I don't want to say anything on his behalf, but we had a couple back and forths and it sounds like he's still plugging away. He said his biggest headache is pulling shipping quotes for everything.

I'm still waiting on my own order too, and since mine was larger I got lumped in with the international orders. I'm confident we'll get everything sooner or later.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: scubaste on Wed, 19 October 2016, 13:33:20
Good point. I apologize for my ignorance regarding that issue concerning the international buyers still waiting on receiving anything at all. I entirely forgot that njbair waited on shipping those until the replacements arrived.
 
Yeah, I don't know what's going on here. NJ should at least post SOME kind of update, but I know how it can be when the guilt train hits you hard and you feel like you can't show your face until you have something to speak of (and I know it could be any number of reasons, not just guilt).

Still, we don't need another SethK or Ivan incident here.

I have received my original orders, but I didn't receive the replacement sets as I put in a large blank order so that puts me at the end of the priority list. Anyone in the US still not have replacement sets?

I'm in the US and still don't have a replacement set. I will keep waiting as patiently as possible, but would love to see some kind of communication at this point.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: SpikeBolt on Fri, 21 October 2016, 08:35:29
I'm still waiting for an invoice... I have a keyboard fully ready for a year now with a wooden case and Matias Reds that I'm dying to try. No Alps keys, though...
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 21 October 2016, 09:05:57
I'm still waiting for an invoice... I have a keyboard fully ready for a year now with a wooden case and Matias Reds that I'm dying to try. No Alps keys, though...

Same. Feel extremely foolish that I took apart my MX Infinity to build up my parts from the Crossing The Alps GB... Still yet to enjoy alps  :-[
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: Den441 on Sun, 23 October 2016, 14:17:06
Still waiting as well. I originally bought a bunch of blanks to put on some alps numpads to try to get more people into ALPS. The numpads don't look great on their own, but with these caps and a couple adjustments, they look pretty nice. The clicky cream ALPS on them are great as well. Plus they output the numpad codes and not the number row like some mechanical numpads. Whenever I get my order here, i'm planning on selling them for around $40 if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: MudoLabudovo on Sun, 23 October 2016, 14:51:49
I hope I can put this juicy set on my orange alps build .. in not so distant future. The customisation is amazing!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 24 October 2016, 07:16:50
So here's what's pissing me off: This thread starting out by njbair offering to do us a huge favour. Then, it turns out that GMK ****ed up, and njbair's huge favor is now SUPERHUGE.

And you're complaining... I know no one is blaming njbair as yet, but I've seen threads go off track REAL FAST before! And it's SO TOXIC!

Also, Massdrop has a much better reputation now than it did a year ago... BECAUSE they charge for doing what njbair is probably tearing his hair out trying to for free right now.

So remember this: njbair is trying really hard to do a job he didn't really even volunteer for! Yes, it takes longer. Suck it up, brother mechheads - suck it up and be glad :)

And next time, suggest to the runner that you'd rather pay a little more to do the run through Massdrop than having it all fall on one pair of shoulders!
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 24 October 2016, 07:36:51
So here's what's pissing me off: This thread starting out by njbair offering to do us a huge favour. Then, it turns out that GMK ****ed up, and njbair's huge favor is now SUPERHUGE.

And you're complaining... I know no one is blaming njbair as yet, but I've seen threads go off track REAL FAST before! And it's SO TOXIC!

Also, Massdrop has a much better reputation now than it did a year ago... BECAUSE they charge for doing what njbair is probably tearing his hair out trying to for free right now.

So remember this: njbair is trying really hard to do a job he didn't really even volunteer for! Yes, it takes longer. Suck it up, brother mechheads - suck it up and be glad :)

And next time, suggest to the runner that you'd rather pay a little more to do the run through Massdrop than having it all fall on one pair of shoulders!

I don't mind the wait. It's the 47 days without an update, on a product that we paid for over a year ago, that grinds my gears.

If njbair is 'trying really hard' then surely logging into GH shouldn't be so hard ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 24 October 2016, 15:34:23
I don't mind the wait. It's the 47 days without an update, on a product that we paid for over a year ago, that grinds my gears.

Bingo. I would settle for a "X number of packages to go" once a week, or even two. And if you can't meet goals you've set yourself, then at least tell people why.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: luckynet on Thu, 27 October 2016, 08:08:52
has anyone pm njbair personally? what is the current update? if he feels tired from shorting and shipping and want to take a break i don't really mind, but i need some sort of update so that i don't feel cheated.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 28 October 2016, 03:17:09
has anyone pm njbair personally? what is the current update? if he feels tired from shorting and shipping and want to take a break i don't really mind, but i need some sort of update so that i don't feel cheated.

Skullydazed reached out to him ~2 weeks ago
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: SpikeBolt on Fri, 28 October 2016, 07:32:03
So here's what's pissing me off: This thread starting out by njbair offering to do us a huge favour. Then, it turns out that GMK ****ed up, and njbair's huge favor is now SUPERHUGE.

And you're complaining... I know no one is blaming njbair as yet, but I've seen threads go off track REAL FAST before! And it's SO TOXIC!

Also, Massdrop has a much better reputation now than it did a year ago... BECAUSE they charge for doing what njbair is probably tearing his hair out trying to for free right now.

So remember this: njbair is trying really hard to do a job he didn't really even volunteer for! Yes, it takes longer. Suck it up, brother mechheads - suck it up and be glad :)

And next time, suggest to the runner that you'd rather pay a little more to do the run through Massdrop than having it all fall on one pair of shoulders!


Toxicity begins when a random guy shows up tell people their frustration is meaningless and they should just STFU. People are asking for an update, a feedback and that's totally justified. My PM is unanswered since July so of course I'm worried. But I guess it's my bad because I didn't tell him to use Massdrop instead /s

**** happens, we all understood the delays and the problems that occurred. I was okay with it because he was giving feedback and updates and I was expecting to get my stuff soon TM. At this point I have very little hope of getting the keycaps and that saddens me. I feel like I have every right to express it.
Title: Re: [GB] Alpine Winter (Shipping Replacements)
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 28 October 2016, 07:32:42
So here's what's pissing me off: This thread starting out by njbair offering to do us a huge favour. Then, it turns out that GMK ****ed up, and njbair's huge favor is now SUPERHUGE.

And you're complaining... I know no one is blaming njbair as yet, but I've seen threads go off track REAL FAST before! And it's SO TOXIC!

Also, Massdrop has a much better reputation now than it did a year ago... BECAUSE they charge for doing what njbair is probably tearing his hair out trying to for free right now.

So remember this: njbair is trying really hard to do a job he didn't really even volunteer for! Yes, it takes longer. Suck it up, brother mechheads - suck it up and be glad :)

And next time, suggest to the runner that you'd rather pay a little more to do the run through Massdrop than having it all fall on one pair of shoulders!


Toxicity begins when a random guy shows up tell people their frustration is meaningless and they should just STFU. People are asking for an update, a feedback and that's totally justified. My PM is unanswered since July so of course I'm worried. But I guess it'