[IC] Type K - Tented Ergo keyboard (10/08/2023 - GB STARTING ON AUGUST 20TH)

[jackedhardwarejunkie]

Gok/Vendor still has to buy all the boards an QC them if they're in stock, same risk if not more because the maker has to upfront all the money...

Instock you're fighting bots depending on how much is in stock, and on a board like this if the units are low, cause great inflation.

GB will more create fairness an allow him to run more boards...

Some of you commenting like GBs are so scary and he should run away like we haven't been running them for the past decade...

I'd suggest just filling out the form an stop giving your cringey reasoning as to why it shouldn't be run as a GB, when you've never run a GB yourself, lol.

I vote GB, lesgo!

[Zeelobby]

Yeah. Not really sure the in-stock + GB is "innovation". It's just having the investment capital to comfortably run both. It also uses FOMO to drive GB sales for all those who took an L on the in-stock. I wouldn't go as far to say it's intentionally predatory, but there's also absolutely nothing wrong with in-stock or GBs by themselves. No reason to argue whether one is better/worse then the other for gok, he knows the nature of both, and neither is necessarily easier for the runner. They just have different benefits for us as a customer.

[Retne]

I'm down for a group buy if it means there will be more available.  I really dig the design and I can already see myself getting a big sad L on the in stock.

[severin]

i love this, it's beautiful

[Bunn3y]

+1 for GB. I personally do not mind waiting longer if it means I will be getting one without FOMO. 

[teh_pengers]

Are there any photos of this at eye-level with the desk? Would be helpful visual how the wrist rest, tenting, and board angle all come together.

[angelghb]

GB is better
I hope I can get it on KBDfans or iLumkb.（Asia Region ）

[MQLYU]

Looks amazing!!!

[pcire]

+1 for GB

I’d rather wait a long time for it than not get it at all.

[10peaches]

GB is better
I hope I can get it on KBDfans or iLumkb.（Asia Region ）

Pretty sure it will be run exclusively on Typeplus like the Vega.


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[anon_swe]

you my friend are very wise

Gok/Vendor still has to buy all the boards an QC them if they're in stock, same risk if not more because the maker has to upfront all the money...

Instock you're fighting bots depending on how much is in stock, and on a board like this if the units are low, cause great inflation.

GB will more create fairness an allow him to run more boards...

Some of you commenting like GBs are so scary and he should run away like we haven't been running them for the past decade...

I'd suggest just filling out the form an stop giving your cringey reasoning as to why it shouldn't be run as a GB, when you've never run a GB yourself, lol.

I vote GB, lesgo!

[Visionaire]

GB vote.

Also would be fine with hybrid model or multiple runs... just something to help ensure people who want one are able to.

[roostrc0gburn]

you my friend are very wise

Gok/Vendor still has to buy all the boards an QC them if they're in stock, same risk if not more because the maker has to upfront all the money...

Instock you're fighting bots depending on how much is in stock, and on a board like this if the units are low, cause great inflation.

GB will more create fairness an allow him to run more boards...

Some of you commenting like GBs are so scary and he should run away like we haven't been running them for the past decade...

I'd suggest just filling out the form an stop giving your cringey reasoning as to why it shouldn't be run as a GB, when you've never run a GB yourself, lol.

I vote GB, lesgo!

don't encourage this guy

[forevermadrigal]

All the botters be like fcfs please. Filled out for gb!

[Techichi]

GB Gang

[mikeyahngelo]

Made a GeekHack account just for this. Voted for GB.

[CoyoteMegalo]

GB of course.

[FamilyJoule924]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

[KingOfMemes]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.

[kibou store]

gok boards too lit

[LeoZ]

already voted in google form, but yeah gb please

[Vidhur100]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.

But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?


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[KingOfMemes]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.

But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?


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Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.

For what it's worth, I'm not a fast typist. There is proof of that in my signature. Most of the Ls I take are from raffles. The Sat75 is the only vendor fcfs L I've taken, and that's a very specific case. Just show up on time for the drop and don't dilly-dally

[FamilyJoule924]

voted in stock because i'm fine if i don't get it and fine if i do speed is better than waiting a year

[jackedhardwarejunkie]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Those 2 buys were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

[KingOfMemes]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

[Zeelobby]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock, low qty, popular boards that'll likely have massive aftermarket value. Let's just say 5% is very low. That's probably what makes it through even after the measures have been taken (multiple layers). The numbers are drastically different from where they were 9 months ago.

All this said, gok could use one of the in stock/fcfs systems that puts multiple barriers to entry that would reduce the number of bot orders. I'm sure he would. But spoofing of email, phone number, discord account, and multiple forms of payment and delivery addresses is common in every buy now. From straight up shopify to even systems like koi.

[jackedhardwarejunkie]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

You clearly have never tried to buy a board that was low units an hype... good luck buying something that never goes in sock.

I also think you forget this is keyboards, more than half the people in this hobby can whip up a bot quite easily, lol.

In the end OP will decide what's best for him an it is what it is.

No ego hurt here, I'd just like a fair chance depending on how many units are run as this is one of a kind an I'm a ergo user.



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[KingOfMemes]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

[FamilyJoule924]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Those 2 buys were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

i tried for the ori board and didn't get it same with the fe version i was beat up about that. i like the idea of owning something limited to a certain number of boards. i'm gonna keep an eye on owlab for their 75% version that should be nice. but i've been wanting to try alice boards too. i missed out on the sagitarius so this would be cool but like i said i would personally prefer a more exclusive board if i get it awesome if not its whatever.

[Zeelobby]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.

[KingOfMemes]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.

Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?

[Zeelobby]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.

Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?

I don't own CK. It's not my right to release numbers. I've helped test the system and have seen numbers during multiple high traffic buys. If you want real numbers you'll have to talk to Upas. I have no reason to lie to you. Lol. I also have won fcfs sales, some recently. I'm just trying to let you know. What was fear mongering 6 months ago is a reality now. Just the way it is.

[FamilyJoule924]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.

i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.

[Zeelobby]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.

i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.

I find it hard to believe that you've never made a decision based on something someone else has told you XD. But I get what your saying. Wish there was a way to divulge numbers but I totally respect why it's something businesses don't do.

[jackedhardwarejunkie]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.

i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.

Don't sweat it, it's because I quoted you.

[brandkeebs]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.

Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?

He's a mod of CK, why would he lie? If bots weren't really a problem why would there be so much investment of resources devoted to anti-bot preventative measures by CK, the koi raffle system, etc

There has been screenshots from bot discords posted after extras sales and stuff that show there are many bots running and they just scoop up stuff like crazy.

[FamilyJoule924]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....

Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.

With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.

Just sayin.

I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?

As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.

All speculation, as usual.

"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."

See, I can do it too.

Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.

i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.

I find it hard to believe that you've never made a decision based on something someone else has told you XD. But I get what your saying. Wish there was a way to divulge numbers but I totally respect why it's something businesses don't do.

you are 100% right i have made decisions based on things i've been told. that being said with age and lots of error and education i've learned to base decisions on empircal evidence, not emotional statements. i by no means am trying to discredit you i don't know how credible you are or are not. just saying i would prefer to stick to quantifiable numbers as opposed to vague statements

[KZzzz]

If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.

[Zeelobby]

you are 100% right i have made decisions based on things i've been told. that being said with age and lots of error and education i've learned to base decisions on empircal evidence, not emotional statements. i by no means am trying to discredit you i don't know how credible you are or are not. just saying i would prefer to stick to quantifiable numbers as opposed to vague statements

Definitely makes sense. Sadly, from a business perspective, it's something most vendors won't just put out there. I have zero incentive to lie about it, but it's true that none know me personally. I don't really care about GB vs FCFS for type-k, I'll go for it and hopefully get it either way. I'm just a fan of the GB model, takes longer, but people tend to be happier. Just from my experience working with a vendor.

[Zeelobby]

If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.

Most of this is true. I would say that the GB method with higher quantity of boards does lower aftermarket pricing, and increases chances for those who really want the board, and are willing to wait for completion (with gok's standards this is pretty much guaranteed). There's less incentive for botting and flipping if the return on investment is months away. And for a designer, your number one goal is to get your board into people's hands who will use and enjoy it. I think it's pretty clear that gok recognizes that he can run it both ways, so I think a poll is fine in this case. He wouldn't have put it up otherwise.

[darthcapn]

Not saying I am excited for this board but I am not getting in AVA gb just because of this board. Can. Not. Wait.

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[jackedhardwarejunkie]

If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.

Problem here is that everyone who's had a "good" experience with a fcfs board has been a board with 500 units, which is really cracking me up...

Sure if Gok runs 500 units run it fcfs that's easy, if it's limited say something like 50 units I'd prefer a GB even if it is a pre-made I would prefer a GB...

Talk all the ish you want, ego this ego that, I'm a fast typer and have good internet, but when you have something setup with Google pay to instabuy that doesnt even require typing, you're smashing f5 and the add to cart button doesn't highlight...

That's all I'm trying to avoid here.

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[anon_swe]

Preach friend!!!

If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.

Problem here is that everyone who's had a "good" experience with a fcfs board has been a board with 500 units, which is really cracking me up...

Sure if Gok runs 500 units run it fcfs that's easy, if it's limited say something like 50 units I'd prefer a GB even if it is a pre-made I would prefer a GB...

Talk all the ish you want, ego this ego that, I'm a fast typer and have good internet, but when you have something setup with Google pay to instabuy that doesnt even require typing, you're smashing f5 and the add to cart button doesn't highlight...

That's all I'm trying to avoid here.

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[eddyxn]

+GB, All we have is time these days and I've grown to be patient in this hobby.

[anon_swe]

100% agree.  I don't mind waiting even a year or longer if it means the keebs will come out perfect versus rushed in-stock buys

+GB, All we have is time these days and I've grown to be patient in this hobby.

[Nonnegaard]

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.

But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?


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Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.

For what it's worth, I'm not a fast typist. There is proof of that in my signature. Most of the Ls I take are from raffles. The Sat75 is the only vendor fcfs L I've taken, and that's a very specific case. Just show up on time for the drop and don't dilly-dally

In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.

[eczactly]

In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.

just find a 14 year old to help you with this.

[anon_swe]

Jesus they got you by the balls there, not to mention all the insane taxes. Issues like this warrant a GB.  I don't want my Denmark brothers and sisters to miss out on such a great keeb because of something ridiculous like this.

i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?

Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.

But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?


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Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.

For what it's worth, I'm not a fast typist. There is proof of that in my signature. Most of the Ls I take are from raffles. The Sat75 is the only vendor fcfs L I've taken, and that's a very specific case. Just show up on time for the drop and don't dilly-dally

In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.

[JustBagel]

gb please, i managed to do everything within 15seconds for black vega instock and i was still too slow.