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[IC] GMK JIS | Last Week | Live until December 14th
« on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:17:13 »
This is my first interest check for a keyset, GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) White on Black.



GB thread is up, further discussion on the set can be found here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115306.0

Design & Inspiration
The original idea for this set comes from having a fully functional Japanese kit. Current GMK sets are not functional on a modern Japanese keyboard. This set hopes to inspire the idea of having future GMK IC's the chance to offer a Japanese extension kit as an option. Hopefully this might inspire new types of keyboards to be used. This kit combines both ANSI and JIS.

Keyset Pricing
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NA [Mekibo] (USD)
Basekit - $134.99
Alphas - $62.99
Extensions - $49.99
Spacebars - $29.99
JIS Screwdriver - $40.00
JIS Emergency Exit - $45.00

EU [Mykeyboard] (EUR)
Basekit - €141.99
Alphas - €65.99
Extensions - €53.00
Spacebars - €31.00
JIS Screwdriver - €42.00
JIS Emergency Exit - €47.00

JP [Yushakobo] (Yen)
Basekit - ¥18,700
Alphas - ¥9,240
Extensions - ¥7,150
Spacebars - ¥4,400
JIS Screwdriver - ¥5,280
JIS Emergency Exit - ¥6,600

CA [ApexKeyboards] (CAD)
Basekit - $180.00
Alphas - $85.00
Extensions - $66.00
Spacebars - $42.00
JIS Screwdriver - $40.00
JIS Emergency Exit - $50.00

SEA [Monokei] (SGD)
Basekit - $180.00
Alphas - $85.00
Extensions - $66.00
Spacebars - $42.00
JIS Screwdriver - $40.00
JIS Emergency Exit - $50.00

Oceania [DailyClack] (AUD)
Basekit - $203.00
Alphas - $95.00
Extensions - $75.00
Spacebars - $45.00
JIS Screwdriver - $60.00
JIS Emergency Exit - $67.50

Worldwide [KBDfans] (USD)
Basekit - $142.00
Alphas - $72.00
Extensions - $62.00
Spacebars - $42.00
JIS Screwdriver -
JIS Emergency Exit -



Base Kit


Extensions Kit


Spacebar Kit


Board Renders






Artisan Collaboration
Artisan Collaboration
KeyBee Manufacturing
Both are anodized aluminum with enamel infill.

R1 JIS Screwdriver


R3 JIS Emergency Exit


Vendors

    JP: Yushakobo
   US: Mekibo
   CA: ApexKeyboards
 SEA: Monokei.co
   EU: Mykeyboard.eu
   AU: Daily Clack
   CN: KBDfans

Legal
Permitted from JSA to use the name JIS https://www.jsa.or.jp/en/ .
Permission from Filco and PFU (Realforce Rep) to use circular images for henkan and muhenkan.
Not permitted to use the JIS Logo.

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« Last Edit: Tue, 07 December 2021, 01:37:09 by 2Moons »

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:17:45 »
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:24:50 »
 Legends are big small :/  but looks clean.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:25:33 »
 I mean a bit small smh

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:27:15 »
Legends are big small :/  but looks clean.

I mean a bit small smh

Thanks I'll try to get better renders.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:27:59 »
I appreciate this project. Looking forward to seeing renders and vendors.
GMK.
WoB.
Aiming for accurate legend implementation instead of aesthetics.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:30:29 »
Aiming for accurate legend implementation instead of aesthetics.

Yes, this. Thank you so much.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:31:13 »
Nice to (finally) see a proper Japanese set. I don't know Japanese, but at least with this I'd look like an authentic poser. Certainly a novel way to cover an ISO board that is unusual but actually makes sense.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:36:12 »
Glad to see you're finally taking the steps to make this a reality. I see you've omitted a few keys from what we settled on initially, but I'm so excited to see this run as new moulds will be available to open up to a wider community.

Cheers 2Moons!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:36:45 »
First off, I want to say that I appreciate the work you put into this project as somebody who's been working on this concept as well. After examining the renders, there are a few concerns I have:

- Missing small kana (ぁ、ぃ、ぅ、ぇ、ぉ、っ、ゃ、ゅ、ょ)
- Missing を
- Missing ¥ on ANSI pipe keys
- Missing 「」on ANSI bracket keys
- Missing ー on ANSI underscore/dash key
- む on pipe key in Alphas Kit
- Top-left aligned text legends in some places, dead center in others: Please keep it all center left.
- Half-width/full-width modifier appearance: A double-line version will exist with GMK Beta, but as far as I know a single-line version does not (半/全). Wouldn't this be a good opportunity to introduce this legend? If you intend on making this a double-line modifier I suggest changing it to match its appearance on GMK Beta for clarity.
- How do you intend to handle legends that will be difficult/impossible to reproduce with doubleshot molding (英数、無変換、変換)? GMK Camping R2 had this issue where the kanji legends on the novelty arrows had to be pad-printed rather than doubleshot.

I appreciate this project. Looking forward to seeing renders and vendors.
GMK.
WoB.
Aiming for accurate legend implementation instead of aesthetics.
The current implementation of hiragana sublegends (V2) is accurate aside from the lack of a ¥, assuming one is using a Japanese IME on an ANSI layout. All the punctuation is in the right place and all hiragana are accounted for.
« Last Edit: Wed, 26 August 2020, 02:07:17 by OtherAndrew »

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:44:06 »
First off, I want to say that I appreciate the work you put into this project as somebody who's been working on this concept as well. After examining the renders, there are a few concerns I have:

- Missing small kana (ぁ、ぃ、ぅ、ぇ、ぉ、っ、ゃ、ゅ、ょ)
- Missing を
- Missing ¥ on ANSI pipe keys
- む on pipe key in Alphas Kit
- Top-left aligned text legends in some places, dead center in others: Please keep it all center left.
- Appearance of half-width/full-width modifier: A double-line version will exist with GMK Beta, but as far as I know a single-line version does not (半/全). Wouldn't this be a good opportunity to introduce this legend? If you intend on making this a double-line modifier I suggest changing it to match its appearance on GMK Beta for clarity.
- How do you intend to handle legends that will be difficult/impossible to reproduce with doubleshot molding (英数、無変換、変換)? GMK Camping R2 had this issue where the kanji legends on the novelty arrows had to be pad-printed rather than doubleshot.

I appreciate this project. Looking forward to seeing renders and vendors.
GMK.
WoB.
Aiming for accurate legend implementation instead of aesthetics.
The current implementation of hiragana sublegends (V2) is accurate aside from the lack of a ¥, assuming one is using a Japanese IME on an ANSI layout. All the punctuation is in the right place and all hiragana are accounted for.

Thank you for this. I will pour over this information for the next round of renders. As far as the small kanas, they were removed but probably they should be put back for accuracy.

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The current implementation of hiragana sublegends (V2) is accurate aside from the lack of a ¥, assuming one is using a Japanese IME on an ANSI layout. All the punctuation is in the right place and all hiragana are accounted for.
The current GMK hiragana layout (ANSI) as well as the JIS layout is included in this base kit.
« Last Edit: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:50:27 by 2Moons »

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 25 August 2020, 23:55:27 »
The current implementation of hiragana sublegends (V2) is accurate aside from the lack of a ¥, assuming one is using a Japanese IME on an ANSI layout. All the punctuation is in the right place and all hiragana are accounted for.
Yes. I'm aware of the current Hiragana sublegends. It's still nice to see sets aiming for accuracy when there are plenty of designers that either haven't or don't care about accuracy in favor of their aesthetics. Not even exclusive to Japanese

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 00:11:53 »
Libertouch and Realforce compatibility will be added.

R2A-JP4 Realforce among others.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 00:21:21 »
However this turns out, I applaud your efforts.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 00:28:53 »
The current implementation of hiragana sublegends (V2) is accurate aside from the lack of a ¥, assuming one is using a Japanese IME on an ANSI layout. All the punctuation is in the right place and all hiragana are accounted for.
Yes. I'm aware of the current Hiragana sublegends. It's still nice to see sets aiming for accuracy when there are plenty of designers that either haven't or don't care about accuracy in favor of their aesthetics. Not even exclusive to Japanese

it's also because it's ****ing expensive to get those legend molds made for a very small portion of potential buyers

Krelbit and I really wanted to have proper JIS support for Alter but when you look further into it, it just isn't feasible for a set like that.

That's why you need projects like this one to help get the legends made first, and then hopefully designers will include them in future sets.

I really hate that I made a Japanese keycap set that Japanese people can't even use. The alternative is to not use hiragana subs at all, perhaps that's the right thing to do, perhaps not. But doubleshotting isn't like dyesub where you can just send over a layout file for them to print, every new legend costs hundreds.
« Last Edit: Wed, 26 August 2020, 00:30:32 by Sifo »
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 01:03:55 »
Thank you for running this! Very excited to see somebody taking this on, and especially pleased that you are offering both latin monolegend and kana sublegend variants. I’ll take a proper look in the morning and see if there’s any feedback I can offer, but I am extremely keen to see this project succeed!

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 02:36:46 »
Thank you for running this! Very excited to see somebody taking this on, and especially pleased that you are offering both latin monolegend and kana sublegend variants. I’ll take a proper look in the morning and see if there’s any feedback I can offer, but I am extremely keen to see this project succeed!

Thank you so much. I'll take any advice you have and I really appreciate it.

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 02:53:10 »
Would love to have "Enter" key in Japanese as well  :thumb:
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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 04:10:00 »
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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 09:36:07 »
Been waiting for the weeb wob

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 09:53:16 »
Sexy. I've seen a few comments about the small legend size. I assumed this was an aesthetic choice. If that's true, I think it looks great. Nothing wrong with larger/standard GMK size fonts but it's nice to see somehting different. I think these small legends looks sleek and somewhat minimalist. Either way, great set.

So are you offering topre and cherry mount?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 12:21:52 »
I'll take any advice you have and I really appreciate it.

I've had another look this morning and it looks good!  Others have commented on the small legend size; I am assuming you will want to use GMK's existing moulds where possible so you will need to match your new keys to the dimensions of those.  From your other response it sounds as if this is just an issue with the render so I'll look forward to seeing updated renders when they're available :-)

Is the lack of quaternary legends (small ぁぃぅぇぉゃゅょ, and full-sized を) an aesthetic choice or an oversight?  Since you are in general following a fairly conservative WoB aesthetic, my preference would be to include them as most Japanese keyboards do, even though skipping them, or including を but not the others, are both valid choices from an aesthetic point of view.

Your カタカナ/ひらがな key looks a little imbalanced; either they could be brought to the centre, or the third ローマ字 legend that appears on some designs could be added.

In general I agree with your decision to go with text mods and standard 無変換/変換/英数/かな labels for the legends, as it is the more conservative, “standard” choice.  However, have you considered offering icon mod alternatives for 無変換/変換, perhaps in the extensions kit? With other mods, people can swap them out for icon mods from other sets if they prefer, but with 無変換/変換 those mods are not generally offered by other sets, and there are no standard moulds currently available.  And they are popular: Every keyboard pictured in your original post uses icon mods for those keys.  Just a thought.

You’ll probably want a 4.5U space bar for compatibility with existing Japanese keyboards.  I’m not sure whether GMK has the tooling to support this, though; that’s one thing to bear in mind as I expect that the costs of developing such tooling would be much higher than new moulds.  I don’t really know, though, so just something to keep in the back of your mind as needing to confirm with GMK.  Your other “funny” spacebar sizes may run into the same difficulty.  They definitely have 3U support now, but I’m not sure about 4U, for example.

Anyway, great job so far, and I’m looking forward to seeing this develop!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 18:55:26 »
- Missing ¥ on ANSI pipe keys

[...]

The current implementation of hiragana sublegends (V2) is accurate aside from the lack of a ¥, assuming one is using a Japanese IME on an ANSI layout. All the punctuation is in the right place and all hiragana are accounted for.

Including the yen sign in ANSI-based Japanese keysets is not accurate and should not be done.

Adding a character as a (sub)legend to a key implies that said character can be produced by pressing that key together with a certain combination of modifiers and lock states on a given logical layout that the (sub)legends are meant to represent.

Usually, the yen sign (¥, U+00A5) isn't a character that can be typed on a standard Japanese keyboard layout by pressing any combination of keys and modifiers, in any lock state.
Instead, ¥ is traditionally just a graphical representation of the backslash (\, U+005C) on most Japanese systems. In other words, the actual character that's being typed is a backslash; it just gets displayed on the screen as a yen sign. (Yes, it still works like this even in the age of Unicode and emoji skin color modifiers and gender combination sequences.)
Not all systems do it like this, though, and some (e.g. macOS) give you the option of outputting an actual ¥ character, but I wouldn't call this the norm.

Here's a concrete example pertaining to this keyset:
Adding ¥ as a quaternary sublegend (top-right in GMK) to the \|む key would imply that you are able to type a ¥ character by pressing this key together with Shift while in kana input mode. This is not the case; doing that will just produce む. In order to type ¥, you would have to change your logical layout, keyboard type, or sometimes even your system language, to Japanese; in which case the character would be produced by just pressing the key regularly (no Shift and no kana mode), like regular backslash. So the quaternary (top-right) position is incorrect either way.

For that reason, ¥ should not be included in ANSI-based Japanese keyset legends. For JIS-based keysets it's okay, since those are intended to be used with Japanese layouts on Japanese systems anyway.

By the way, all of this also applies to the won sign (₩) in Korean keysets, which works the same way.


- Missing small kana (ぁ、ぃ、ぅ、ぇ、ぉ、っ、ゃ、ゅ、ょ)
- Missing を
- Missing 「」on ANSI bracket keys
- Missing ー on ANSI underscore/dash key
- む on pipe key in Alphas Kit
- Top-left aligned text legends in some places, dead center in others: Please keep it all center left.
- Half-width/full-width modifier appearance: A double-line version will exist with GMK Beta, but as far as I know a single-line version does not (半/全). Wouldn't this be a good opportunity to introduce this legend? If you intend on making this a double-line modifier I suggest changing it to match its appearance on GMK Beta for clarity.

Your remaining remarks I agree with. I would like to add that the current sublegend on the R1 ¥|へ JIS key is incorrect; it's supposed to be ¥|ー. Also, the quaternary sublegend on the /?ろ key is supposed to be a (U+30FB), but that might just be a rendering error.

The single-line 半/全 legend mold does exist; it was introduced in GMK Mecha-01.


2Moons, feel free to use these references to double-check if you got the ANSI-based portion of the legends right. Also these for cross referencing the legends you have with the standard JP layouts.


Edit:
Your カタカナ/ひらがな key looks a little imbalanced; either they could be brought to the centre, or the third ローマ字 legend that appears on some designs could be added.

In general I agree with your decision to go with text mods and standard 無変換/変換/英数/かな labels for the legends, as it is the more conservative, “standard” choice.  However, have you considered offering icon mod alternatives for 無変換/変換, perhaps in the extensions kit? With other mods, people can swap them out for icon mods from other sets if they prefer, but with 無変換/変換 those mods are not generally offered by other sets, and there are no standard moulds currently available.  And they are popular: Every keyboard pictured in your original post uses icon mods for those keys.  Just a thought.

You’ll probably want a 4.5U space bar for compatibility with existing Japanese keyboards.  I’m not sure whether GMK has the tooling to support this, though; that’s one thing to bear in mind as I expect that the costs of developing such tooling would be much higher than new moulds.  I don’t really know, though, so just something to keep in the back of your mind as needing to confirm with GMK.  Your other “funny” spacebar sizes may run into the same difficulty.  They definitely have 3U support now, but I’m not sure about 4U, for example.
+1 for these suggestions as well!
« Last Edit: Mon, 07 September 2020, 17:25:56 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 21:02:14 »
Yessss my JIS Filco has been waiting for this!!!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 21:36:09 »
I am not Japanese, I don't use JIS layout (except this odd Topre board I happened to trade for), and I don't know of any [cherry mx] boards that support JIS layout, but I am all for getting a proper JIS layout keyset through GMK because, like others have said, that's more compatibility to add to future keysets and accurate legends!

I hope people who have legitimate use for this layout and have genuine feedback to make this accurate come through and make this happen.
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 21:58:42 »

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I've had another look this morning and it looks good!  Others have commented on the small legend size; I am assuming you will want to use GMK's existing moulds where possible so you will need to match your new keys to the dimensions of those.  From your other response it sounds as if this is just an issue with the render so I'll look forward to seeing updated renders when they're available :-)

The legends need to conform to the standards of QMK which will need to change. I'll be making sure that they are the correct size, not only for this, but so that they're clear in the renders. I'm pretty inexperienced, but I've reached out to a few people to make the right changes.

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Is the lack of quaternary legends (small ぁぃぅぇぉゃゅょ, and full-sized を) an aesthetic choice or an oversight?  Since you are in general following a fairly conservative WoB aesthetic, my preference would be to include them as most Japanese keyboards do, even though skipping them, or including を but not the others, are both valid choices from an aesthetic point of view.

These are going back in.

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Your カタカナ/ひらがな key looks a little imbalanced; either they could be brought to the centre, or the third ローマ字 legend that appears on some designs could be added.

You're right, the ひらがな here needs to go to the bottom row. Some other keys need to be left or right justified.

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In general I agree with your decision to go with text mods and standard 無変換/変換/英数/かな labels for the legends, as it is the more conservative, “standard” choice.  However, have you considered offering icon mod alternatives for 無変換/変換, perhaps in the extensions kit? With other mods, people can swap them out for icon mods from other sets if they prefer, but with 無変換/変換 those mods are not generally offered by other sets, and there are no standard moulds currently available.  And they are popular: Every keyboard pictured in your original post uses icon mods for those keys.  Just a thought.

This is a really good point. Some of them are for Mac compatibility which is something I really need to put in the documentation. It would probably be better to offer icons for both. However, I might have to have them made or try to find them somewhere as I don't have them. It would be nice to put them in the extensions kit or another kit.

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You’ll probably want a 4.5U space bar for compatibility with existing Japanese keyboards.  I’m not sure whether GMK has the tooling to support this, though; that’s one thing to bear in mind as I expect that the costs of developing such tooling would be much higher than new moulds.  I don’t really know, though, so just something to keep in the back of your mind as needing to confirm with GMK.  Your other “funny” spacebar sizes may run into the same difficulty.  They definitely have 3U support now, but I’m not sure about 4U, for example.

The main spacebar in the current base kit is 4.5u. The second and third spacebars in the main kit are 6.5u and 7u. The extensions spacebars are 2x 2u, 2x 1.5u, 3u, and 4u. I'm interested to find out what GMK cannot offer or seeing what we can do. 4u is really not necessary probably since there are few boards that will likely use it. I haven't checked the size of the Realforce or Libertouch yet.

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Anyway, great job so far, and I’m looking forward to seeing this develop!

Thank you. Your help is appreciated.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 22:04:19 »
- Missing ¥ on ANSI pipe keys

[...]

The current implementation of hiragana sublegends (V2) is accurate aside from the lack of a ¥, assuming one is using a Japanese IME on an ANSI layout. All the punctuation is in the right place and all hiragana are accounted for.

Including the yen sign in ANSI-based Japanese keysets is not accurate and should not be done.

Adding a character as a (sub)legend to a key implies that said character can be produced by pressing that key together with a certain combination of modifiers and lock states on a given logical layout that the (sub)legends are meant to represent.

Usually, the yen sign (¥, U+00A5) isn't a character that can be typed on a standard Japanese keyboard layout by pressing any combination of keys and modifiers, in any lock state.
Instead, ¥ is traditionally just a graphical representation of the backslash (\, U+005C) on most Japanese systems. In other words, the actual character that's being input is a backslash; it just gets displayed on the screen as a yen sign. (Yes, it still works like this even in the age of Unicode and emoji skin color modifiers and gender combination sequences.)
Not all systems do it like this, though, and some (e.g. macOS) give you the option of outputting an actual ¥ character, but I wouldn't call this the norm.

Here's a concrete example pertaining to this keyset:
Adding ¥ as a quaternary sublegend (top-right in GMK) to the \|む key would imply that you are able to type a ¥ character by pressing this key together with Shift while in kana input mode. This is not the case; doing that will just produce む. In order to type ¥, you would have to change your logical layout, keyboard type, or sometimes even your system language, to Japanese; in which case the character would be produced by just pressing the key regularly (no Shift and no kana mode), like regular backslash. So the quaternary (top-right) position is incorrect either way.

For that reason, ¥ should not be included in ANSI-based Japanese keyset legends. For JIS-based keysets it's okay, since those are intended to be used with Japanese layouts on Japanese systems anyway.

By the way, all of this also applies to the won sign (₩) in Korean keysets, which works the same way.


- Missing small kana (ぁ、ぃ、ぅ、ぇ、ぉ、っ、ゃ、ゅ、ょ)
- Missing を
- Missing 「」on ANSI bracket keys
- Missing ー on ANSI underscore/dash key
- む on pipe key in Alphas Kit
- Top-left aligned text legends in some places, dead center in others: Please keep it all center left.
- Half-width/full-width modifier appearance: A double-line version will exist with GMK Beta, but as far as I know a single-line version does not (半/全). Wouldn't this be a good opportunity to introduce this legend? If you intend on making this a double-line modifier I suggest changing it to match its appearance on GMK Beta for clarity.

Your remaining remarks I agree with. I would like to add that the current sublegend on the R1 ¥|へ JIS key is incorrect; it's supposed to be ¥|ー. Also, the quaternary sublegend on the /?ろ key is supposed to be a (U+30FB), but that might just be a rendering error.

The single-line 半/全 legend mold does exist; it was introduced in GMK Mecha-01.


2Moons, feel free to use these references to double-check if you got the ANSI-based portion of the legends right. Also these for cross referencing the legends you have with the standard JP layouts.



The extra へ I noticed right after posting. It will be changed. I'll be looking at the references you posted and checking against the current layout.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 22:09:53 »
It would be interesting to add sublegends to the extensions as well! Thank  you!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 23:38:39 »
Another thing I just noticed — it’s a little bit difficult to tell from the renders, but do you have a 2U shift?  That, as well as a bottom-row 1.75U Ctrl key, is helpful for a GH60 MiniLa-style bottom row like the one of you have pictured. I actually bought a GH60(-like) PCB from YMDK with a view to building a JIS-compatible layout with it, but haven’t got around to building it yet because I realised none of the keysets I’ve bought so far have that bottom-row 1.75U Ctrl.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 23:48:00 »
Another thing I just noticed — it’s a little bit difficult to tell from the renders, but do you have a 2U shift?  That, as well as a bottom-row 1.75U Ctrl key, is helpful for a GH60 MiniLa-style bottom row like the one of you have pictured. I actually bought a GH60(-like) PCB from YMDK with a view to building a JIS-compatible layout with it, but haven’t got around to building it yet because I realised none of the keysets I’ve bought so far have that bottom-row 1.75U Ctrl.

Both will be added. Those will both be really nice to have. Thank you for this.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 27 August 2020, 13:13:02 »
I'm excited for this. I have a black Filco JIS board that will benefit from everything here, especially the 4.5u spacebar.

Also, after buying the WoB 40s kit and WoB Colevrak+ kit, I found myself wishing for a WoB Alphas kit to avoid having to sacrifice a full WoB base kit just for a small 40% keyboard. The WoB Alphas kit here will solve that problem for me. Will grab at least one of them.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 27 August 2020, 20:40:53 »
That 4u spacebar needs to happen! my clueboard is ready! Really keen to know what the spacing for it would be underneath.

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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 08 September 2020, 15:23:29 »
wew, i actually quite like this set. wob never lost, and i personally like small latin + small foreign legends a lot.
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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 08 September 2020, 18:23:28 »
wew, i actually quite like this set. wob never lost, and i personally like small latin + small foreign legends a lot.

Thanks so much. The small legends are because I need to get proper GMK renders. This set will try to use as many of the current GMK legends as possible to reduce costs. A lot has transpired behind the scenes recently and more was added and legends were adjusted. The discord has all the latest. Stay tuned. Cheers.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 09 September 2020, 00:10:40 »
I do agree on the legends being a bit too small, but from a design perspective, it does make sense. They are in respective sizes to the text in the modifiers and don't stick out too much in comparison to the Japanese texts. Also, being made by GMK, they would still look very sharp. Overall, very glad to see another WoB set, this time with an Extension and Mac set! I'm in! Good luck with the behind the scenes!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 09 September 2020, 04:19:56 »
I do agree on the legends being a bit too small, but from a design perspective, it does make sense. They are in respective sizes to the text in the modifiers and don't stick out too much in comparison to the Japanese texts. Also, being made by GMK, they would still look very sharp. Overall, very glad to see another WoB set, this time with an Extension and Mac set! I'm in! Good luck with the behind the scenes!

Seeing as these are just KLE mockups, the legends will not look like that in the actual keyset. They will be like in any GMK hiragana set.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 09 September 2020, 22:23:06 »
I do agree on the legends being a bit too small, but from a design perspective, it does make sense. They are in respective sizes to the text in the modifiers and don't stick out too much in comparison to the Japanese texts. Also, being made by GMK, they would still look very sharp. Overall, very glad to see another WoB set, this time with an Extension and Mac set! I'm in! Good luck with the behind the scenes!

Seeing as these are just KLE mockups, the legends will not look like that in the actual keyset. They will be like in any GMK hiragana set.

This looks more ideal. Can't wait to see the future renders if they will look similar to this.

EDIT: OP, for the extensions kit, will you add a Caps Lock keycap please?
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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 10 September 2020, 04:36:26 »
Realforce and Filco have given permission for the keyboard community to use these symbols. I'll be adding them to my GitHub.

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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 10 September 2020, 14:28:11 »
Any chance for a couple of extra generic 1.5u mods (Super, System, Code, Fn, etc.) either in the Extension or Base kit?

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 01:06:01 »
Any chance for a couple of extra generic 1.5u mods (Super, System, Code, Fn, etc.) either in the Extension or Base kit?

I've updated the kits to the latest version, it should have some extras in the extensions kit.

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 04:09:44 »
I have next to no knowledge of Japanese, but even I can appreciate the work you’re doing to standardize a system like this for future use within the community. You can never go wrong with WOB and I can see this being a home run after you gather additional feedback from those who are also knowledgeable. Hoping you can make this happen! :thumb:

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 17:27:36 »
I've updated the kits to the latest version, it should have some extras in the extensions kit.

Nice. Thanks!

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« Reply #42 on: Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:57:26 »
As a Japanese in the hobby that types in both Japanese and English, this is a development that I can't appreciate enough.
Very much looking forward to it. Keep up the good work!

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 20 September 2020, 23:48:19 »
Hi, this looks nice. Is there a chance of updating the kit pictures to show which row each keycap supports?

Thanks

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 22 September 2020, 04:24:42 »
Hi, this looks nice. Is there a chance of updating the kit pictures to show which row each keycap supports?

Thanks

Yep, we're working on this right now.

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« Reply #45 on: Sat, 31 October 2020, 23:48:26 »
This is just what I need!

I'm still looking over all of the minor details, but I would be especially happy if these were included, in descending order of personal importance:

  • 1.5U Command and Option keys
  • 1U かな and 英数 keys
  • Numpad keys without navigation sublegends
  • An = key for the top row of the numpad
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« Reply #46 on: Sun, 01 November 2020, 01:38:45 »
Nice. Watching this.

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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 01 November 2020, 04:23:26 »
Solid idea, especially with the WoB. Excited to see this become reality.



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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 01 November 2020, 04:39:10 »
I'm still looking over all of the minor details, but I would be especially happy if these were included, in descending order of personal importance:

  • 1.5U Command and Option keys
  • 1U かな and 英数 keys
  • Numpad keys without navigation sublegends
  • An = key for the top row of the numpad

1u 英数 and かな are included in the updated base kit, and 1.5u System keys are in the extension kit. :)

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« Reply #49 on: Sun, 01 November 2020, 06:19:22 »
1u 英数 and かな are included in the updated base kit, and 1.5u System keys are in the extension kit. :)

I see the 1U 英数 and かな keys now. Great!

What are "System keys," though? I don't see Command or Option.

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« Reply #50 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 12:57:30 »
1u 英数 and かな are included in the updated base kit, and 1.5u System keys are in the extension kit. :)

I see the 1U 英数 and かな keys now. Great!

What are "System keys," though? I don't see Command or Option.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 19:43:20 »
1u 英数 and かな are included in the updated base kit, and 1.5u System keys are in the extension kit. :)

I see the 1U 英数 and かな keys now. Great!

What are "System keys," though? I don't see Command or Option.

This was changed to System. I updated the set to the current mock-up. I will be finishing off vectors off hopefully Sunday and submitting them to my main vendor.

I'm happy to report that the 4.5u spacebar will be made. JIS spacebars for everyone!  :)

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 06:28:55 »
Can't wait for GB to happen,
Good luck 2moons!

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« Reply #53 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 14:11:52 »
Woohoo! Excited for the best JIS keyset ever!

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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 21:04:35 »
Woohoo! Excited for the best JIS keyset ever!

Can't wait for GB to happen,
Good luck 2moons!

Thank you so much. I've updated the set to it's latest version. Buying a base kit and an alphas kit will allow you put caps on 2 keyboards. Accent keys were added and an accent spacebar kit. I have completed vectors for all new molds. Personally, I'm hyped.

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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 21:43:23 »
This was changed to System. I updated the set to the current mock-up. I will be finishing off vectors off hopefully Sunday and submitting them to my main vendor.

Any chance for Command keys in the Extensions kit? GMK has done them for other sets, so they should have the molds already.

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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 21:56:51 »
This was changed to System. I updated the set to the current mock-up. I will be finishing off vectors off hopefully Sunday and submitting them to my main vendor.

Any chance for Command keys in the Extensions kit? GMK has done them for other sets, so they should have the molds already.

If you provide a couple examples of sets that have them, I'll take it to a couple people and ask what they think. Otherwise I don't see much benefit considering system, blank caps, and JIS mac specific caps are already included. Can you provide some documentation for the use of command keys as well? I would appreciate it.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 23:08:30 »
What's the difference between using this set on ANSI layout compared to other sets that use Japanese as an aesthetic? Not meant to be criticism or anything, just curious.

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« Reply #58 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 23:28:34 »
What's the difference between using this set on ANSI layout compared to other sets that use Japanese as an aesthetic? Not meant to be criticism or anything, just curious.

No problem.

Nothing because it's fully ANSI compatible along with the (in) correct ANSI hiragana keys. So you're getting a correct JIS set and a correct ANSI with and/or without hiragana sublegends.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 12 November 2020, 01:27:12 »
What's the difference between using this set on ANSI layout compared to other sets that use Japanese as an aesthetic? Not meant to be criticism or anything, just curious.

You get correct ANSI-JP hiragana sublegends on an ANSI board, which thanks to konstantin’s efforts is becoming more common but is still far from universal. You might say that if it’s just for the aesthetic correctness doesn’t matter, but there is a satisfaction, I think, that comes with knowing a set is correct, and if you ever decided to enable kana input mode on your machine just to see what happens you’ll be pleased to see that each key you press comes out correctly with no weirdness.

You also get the extra JIS modifier keys like 無変換, 変換, かな, etc. Not many sets include these. You might not need them, but if you’re going for the Japanese aesthetic you may be able to find a use for them.  If you really want to experiment, there is nothing stopping you from exploring a JIS-style bottom row with an ANSI layout for your alphas and punctuation! I personally think the smaller space bar with a 1.25U key to either side opens up a lot of possibilities and is a more convenient layout than the other popular split-spacebar options out there! You could use them as raise/lower keys to enable two different layer options like the Planck, for example.

Other than that, it’s a fairly standard WoB colourway by GMK. If you happen to be in the market for white-on-black with hiragana sublegends it’s exactly what you’re looking for!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 12 November 2020, 07:07:10 »
Thank you so much. I've updated the set to it's latest version. Buying a base kit and an alphas kit will allow you put caps on 2 keyboards. Accent keys were added and an accent spacebar kit. I have completed vectors for all new molds. Personally, I'm hyped.

One additional thing to point out is that, with the current configuration, not only can you cover two keyboards if you get Base + Alphas, but you can cover them in any of the following configurations (and have correct legends, of course):
  • one ANSI, one JIS or ISO
  • both ANSI
  • both JIS or ISO

The following form factor combinations are supported:
  • two full 60%/65% boards in any layout*
  • one 75%/TKL/1800/96-key/full-size, one 60%/65%/66-key
* The only limitation is that the two boards you're covering have to use different spacebar sizes, but since we put four different spacebars in the base kit, this hopefully shouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, both boards are free to use things like 1.75u Shift, split Backspace, ISO/ANSI Enter etc.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 12 November 2020, 11:57:33 »
What's the difference between using this set on ANSI layout compared to other sets that use Japanese as an aesthetic? Not meant to be criticism or anything, just curious.

You get correct ANSI-JP hiragana sublegends on an ANSI board, which thanks to konstantin’s efforts is becoming more common but is still far from universal. You might say that if it’s just for the aesthetic correctness doesn’t matter, but there is a satisfaction, I think, that comes with knowing a set is correct, and if you ever decided to enable kana input mode on your machine just to see what happens you’ll be pleased to see that each key you press comes out correctly with no weirdness.

You also get the extra JIS modifier keys like 無変換, 変換, かな, etc. Not many sets include these. You might not need them, but if you’re going for the Japanese aesthetic you may be able to find a use for them.  If you really want to experiment, there is nothing stopping you from exploring a JIS-style bottom row with an ANSI layout for your alphas and punctuation! I personally think the smaller space bar with a 1.25U key to either side opens up a lot of possibilities and is a more convenient layout than the other popular split-spacebar options out there! You could use them as raise/lower keys to enable two different layer options like the Planck, for example.

Other than that, it’s a fairly standard WoB colourway by GMK. If you happen to be in the market for white-on-black with hiragana sublegends it’s exactly what you’re looking for!
Hey man, thank you for the thorough explanation. It really helped my understanding of this set that there's more to it compared to sets that Japanese as an aesthetic. I think I'll consider picking it up if there's a group buy.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 12 November 2020, 18:57:58 »
I looked at the icons which I assume represent roundabouts but they don't really exist here and also, since driving here is on the Left Hand Side the direction of the arrows are wrong.

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« Reply #63 on: Thu, 12 November 2020, 19:20:26 »
I looked at the icons which I assume represent roundabouts but they don't really exist here and also, since driving here is on the Left Hand Side the direction of the arrows are wrong.

The icons don’t represent roundabouts, they just represent the idea of “convert” (変換) or “don’t convert” (無変換), following a convention used in a few different Japanese icon-based keycap sets, notably the Happy Hacking Keyboard and the Filco MiniLa.  For this purpose, either direction would be fine, I think, but if you look at the photos of the Filco MiniLa and the HHKB in the first post you’ll notice that both adopt an anti-clockwise convention, so it seems reasonable to do the same here.

EDIT: Could’ve sworn the OP included a photo of the HHKB!  Here it is, for reference: https://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/direct/hhkb/detail_hhkb-pro-jp.html
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 12 November 2020, 20:14:51 »
I looked at the icons which I assume represent roundabouts but they don't really exist here and also, since driving here is on the Left Hand Side the direction of the arrows are wrong.

The icon, a circle and a circle with an x was originally designed by Filco. Filco decided not to copyright the icon and instead make it open source for anyone to use. Realforce uses it on nearly all their JIS keyboards and HHKB as well. It's pretty universal.

I even called Realforce to make sure it was ok to use. I'm so happy that we could include it in the set.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 15 November 2020, 10:45:01 »
If you provide a couple examples of sets that have them, I'll take it to a couple people and ask what they think. Otherwise I don't see much benefit considering system, blank caps, and JIS mac specific caps are already included. Can you provide some documentation for the use of command keys as well? I would appreciate it.

GMK Modern Dolch is the first that comes to mind, although I have seen others.


Is there a particular reason for the "System" legend used in these mockups instead? I'm not aware of any operating system that refers to a modifier as the "System" key.
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 15 November 2020, 17:40:34 »
If you provide a couple examples of sets that have them, I'll take it to a couple people and ask what they think. Otherwise I don't see much benefit considering system, blank caps, and JIS mac specific caps are already included. Can you provide some documentation for the use of command keys as well? I would appreciate it.

GMK Modern Dolch is the first that comes to mind, although I have seen others.


Is there a particular reason for the "System" legend used in these mockups instead? I'm not aware of any operating system that refers to a modifier as the "System" key.

Sure it's quite common among all GMK sets. Usually it's System, Super, Code, etc. Your links didn't work but lets stake a look at the Modern Dolch GB. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106764.100

It looks like Moden Dolch had its own command kit. Is that what you're looking for? Among the 7100 base kits sold, only 252 command kits were sold. That's not very encouraging. In addition to this, Modern Dolch separated numpad and everything was sold separately. I don't personally want to go that route.

I think the biggest factor is this:

30+ new molds and a new space bar. I think an R2 could defiantly support more keycaps but for now I'm not sure. I will take this information to some people though and ask. Once these caps are made, future sets will be much easier to make. Here are the new ones:

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 15 November 2020, 19:58:16 »
Fair enough. Being GMK, it should be easy to mix and match with other sets, anyway.

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« Reply #68 on: Sun, 15 November 2020, 22:13:26 »
Fair enough. Being GMK, it should be easy to mix and match with other sets, anyway.

Strawpoll completed.
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB - Kit Straw Poll In Comments
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 15 November 2020, 22:31:12 »
Will there be a black version of the space bars kit?

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« Reply #70 on: Sun, 15 November 2020, 23:14:24 »
Will there be a black version of the space bars kit?

A base kit and an extensions kit is all black spacebars except 6.0 and 6.25.

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« Reply #71 on: Mon, 16 November 2020, 00:53:05 »
Will there be a black version of the space bars kit?

A base kit and an extensions kit is all black spacebars except 6.0 and 6.25.

Yes I wanted a a black 6.0u bar haha
But either way, I'm in.

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« Reply #72 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 06:50:57 »
Will there be a black version of the space bars kit?

A base kit and an extensions kit is all black spacebars except 6.0 and 6.25.
Why would you add a white 6u if there is no black 6u? Makes no sense to me especially since this is supposed to be a WoB set. Or am I misunderstanding?

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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 07:05:52 »
Will there be a black version of the space bars kit?

A base kit and an extensions kit is all black spacebars except 6.0 and 6.25.
Why would you add a white 6u if there is no black 6u? Makes no sense to me especially since this is supposed to be a WoB set. Or am I misunderstanding?

It's true, there is no black 6u. Also there is no offset 6u found in most kits either. Personally 6u is not a thing I have ever used, but a white version is in the space kit just in case. Is a 6u black also something you would want? Personally I'd rather have at least the white in there for someone who might want it.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 03:03:04 »
New renders. Thanks to King22. Thank you so much for your work. Glad I can help with your project as well.

Next Steps
Finalize kits for the last and final time.
Final pricing.
Finalize vendors.
Fix problems with some Kanji to GMK specs.
Mark Rows and sizes.

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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 04:50:58 »
Wow, what a unique name and set! Looks like it will be quite successful! Thank you for this, and GLWIC!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #76 on: Sat, 26 December 2020, 06:17:52 »
Will there be a black version of the space bars kit?

A base kit and an extensions kit is all black spacebars except 6.0 and 6.25.
Why would you add a white 6u if there is no black 6u? Makes no sense to me especially since this is supposed to be a WoB set. Or am I misunderstanding?

It's true, there is no black 6u. Also there is no offset 6u found in most kits either. Personally 6u is not a thing I have ever used, but a white version is in the space kit just in case. Is a 6u black also something you would want? Personally I'd rather have at least the white in there for someone who might want it.
I know that some international layouts use 6u. I do also have keyboards that use 6u with offset stems, but I’m not in a great need of it. I just found it strange that the spacebars were white since the theme of the set was WoB

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 27 December 2020, 14:57:12 »
excited to see this happen (hopefully  ;D)

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 30 December 2020, 07:39:43 »
Will there be a black version of the space bars kit?

A base kit and an extensions kit is all black spacebars except 6.0 and 6.25.
Why would you add a white 6u if there is no black 6u? Makes no sense to me especially since this is supposed to be a WoB set. Or am I misunderstanding?

It's true, there is no black 6u. Also there is no offset 6u found in most kits either. Personally 6u is not a thing I have ever used, but a white version is in the space kit just in case. Is a 6u black also something you would want? Personally I'd rather have at least the white in there for someone who might want it.

My current board (Timber Wolf) and a future board (Bushwacker) have these really nice symmetrical bottom row that utilizes centered 6u bars. I would really love a black option...

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 04 January 2021, 22:48:52 »
I just ordered a Japanese filco board, so I'm very interested in this.
The only additional caps I'd want that are not currently included are the separate numpad top row... But I suppose that has nothing to do with JIS. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #80 on: Tue, 05 January 2021, 09:39:12 »
Interested. Will u consider a BoW kit too? :)

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« Reply #81 on: Tue, 05 January 2021, 20:34:59 »
Really really looking forward for this one, I hope you can manage to achieve the desirable accuracy. I'm totally in.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 05 January 2021, 23:46:25 »
This looks Incredibly clean, Just what I was after
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 06 January 2021, 13:45:41 »
i need this

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« Reply #84 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 01:20:56 »
N E Black 3u bars available?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 11 January 2021, 17:17:09 »
hoping for a canadian vendor, ty

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« Reply #86 on: Mon, 11 January 2021, 18:20:06 »
hoping for a canadian vendor, ty
+1 for a Canadian vendor.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #87 on: Mon, 11 January 2021, 21:26:53 »
hoping for a canadian vendor, ty
+1 for a Canadian vendor.

hoping for a canadian vendor, ty

I'll contact Apex.  :D

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #88 on: Tue, 12 January 2021, 12:46:15 »
Yes

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #89 on: Tue, 12 January 2021, 14:55:21 »
Renders have improved. Looks great!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 07:18:02 »
any luck with a black spacebars kit?  :)

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 14:06:18 »
I guess it's too late for an Artisan / Rama to happen?
       

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 17:49:50 »
I guess it's too late for an Artisan / Rama to happen?

Not too late. If you have any suggestions for artisans, I will try to reach out to them. If you're an artisan maker, message me.

I can have my vendor reach out to Rama.

any luck with a black spacebars kit?  :)

Between the base kit spacebars and the extensions kit, I believe only 6u in black is missing.
« Last Edit: Fri, 22 January 2021, 18:07:20 by 2Moons »

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 18:13:04 »
Between the base kit spacebars and the extensions kit, I believe only 6u in black is missing.

Unfortunate, but I respect your decision if this is final.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 18:19:11 »
Yay so there is still hope that an Artisan could happen.
Sadly I am not a maker myself.

I think a Rama "Ensō circle" ( 円相 ) could be really nice with the minimal / clean look and it's very fitting for a Japanese theme.
Black circle on a white key (Maybe some people would prefer reversed colors. Personally I love the contrast of White Escape/White Enter and White Spacebars. Also it's the traditional representation with black ink on white paper).
I don't know if Rama can achieve the same look as one done by hand with a brush, but I feel it could look awesome.
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 24 January 2021, 11:46:40 »
If we're still adding to it... Top row tab/back/= for numpads in the extension kit?  :D

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« Reply #96 on: Thu, 04 February 2021, 09:33:40 »
 Been here since the beginning can't wait to get a set on hand  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #97 on: Thu, 04 February 2021, 15:52:55 »
If this is truly meant to be Japanese, I would expect to see a full hiragana alphas kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #98 on: Thu, 04 February 2021, 16:18:14 »
If this is truly meant to be Japanese, I would expect to see a full hiragana alphas kit.

Actual LOL. Thank you for that.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #99 on: Thu, 04 February 2021, 16:40:20 »
If this is truly meant to be Japanese, I would expect to see a full hiragana alphas kit.

Actual LOL. Thank you for that.

I agree as well.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 04 February 2021, 16:47:20 »
If this is truly meant to be Japanese, I would expect to see a full hiragana alphas kit.

Actual LOL. Thank you for that.

I agree as well.

Also there aren't any kanji on the numpad, how can this be?

PS 2Moons, I'm obviously joking, buying at least 2 of everything, thanks so much for doing this.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #101 on: Thu, 04 February 2021, 23:09:12 »
You guys had me for a second though! Haha, I'll try harder to add more hiragana, katakana, and tons more kanji next time!  :p

No problem. I'm getting final vectors done for caps lock and a few others. Should be done soon. Then I can relax.
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #102 on: Fri, 05 February 2021, 00:57:35 »
I assume its too late for a Canadian vendor? :c

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #103 on: Fri, 05 February 2021, 14:41:41 »
Hello, in thread "GMK Beta" was published update of basic Latin/Hiragana GMK keycaps from Zambumon:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108290.msg3009840#msg3009840
Zambumon_GMK_Hiragana_Latin_RFC.pdf  https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=108290.0;attach=261369

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #104 on: Mon, 15 February 2021, 09:31:24 »
Very interested in this. Any GB date? :)
Also, any chance for an R5 row?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 23:29:49 »
I assume its too late for a Canadian vendor? :c

Canadian vendor added.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #106 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 02:18:30 »
Nice set!!!! Good luck on this one wish you all the best!

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« Reply #107 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 14:23:49 »
Why are there so manmy good keycap   I can't approve them all!!!!!!!!
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 25 February 2021, 20:55:26 »
ISO JIS user here. Very much approved.

Minila users probably has been waiting for this unicorn...

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 04 March 2021, 13:15:20 »
The set we need but don't deserve, looking forward to the gb very much  :D

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 05 March 2021, 04:06:43 »
There may be a mistake in the Latin alphas kit, one of the 2 keys should have a @ above it.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #111 on: Fri, 05 March 2021, 04:15:27 »
Hi @2Moons, will the base kit have an option for a 1.75u Shift keycap? Cant seem to identify from the renders.

Thanks and GLWIC+GB. Definitely buying these!
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 05 March 2021, 12:29:52 »
will the base kit have an option for a 1.75u Shift keycap? Cant seem to identify from the renders.

Should be the one directly under the JIS enter key in the base kit render.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #113 on: Sat, 20 March 2021, 08:55:02 »
Any chance of another 1u white spacebar in the spacebar kit?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 21 March 2021, 04:30:33 »
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm very very noice
GLWGB :thumb:
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #115 on: Sat, 27 March 2021, 02:51:07 »
Ooooh I like the way it looks :3
Looking forward to it!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #116 on: Mon, 19 April 2021, 16:55:50 »
Hey, i was wondering if it's a mistake or is it wanted that on the alpha kit there are two 2 key with quotation marks and there is no 2 key with at sign. Really looking for the alphas set personally!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #117 on: Sat, 22 May 2021, 02:38:17 »
I need this kit just for the 1.5U System keys in the extensions. I swear this this the first WoB kit to have 1.5U supers. Monochrome doesn’t count because it’s WS2.

I’ll probably cop base too.  :))

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #118 on: Sat, 22 May 2021, 04:37:55 »
These are the caps ive been looking for, def would cop base

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« Reply #119 on: Sun, 20 June 2021, 08:37:57 »
This still happening?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #120 on: Sun, 20 June 2021, 11:22:10 »
what size spacebars are in the spacebar kit? and also what colour code is the white spacebars? will there be a UK vendor?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #121 on: Sun, 20 June 2021, 19:49:01 »
I hope this is still happening. I’ve been looking forward to it!

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« Reply #122 on: Tue, 22 June 2021, 20:27:05 »
Looks cool.  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #123 on: Thu, 01 July 2021, 16:14:41 »
Which will be the colors? I suppose the black is CR, but the white will be WS1 or WS2?
Can add the size of the keycaps with the renders?
The 2 last rows of keycaps on the extension kit are all convex?

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« Reply #124 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 01:13:44 »
Thanks for taking the time to create this project! Eagerly awaiting GB~

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #125 on: Sat, 24 July 2021, 16:59:38 »
Very interested in this set, hope it comes out :)


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« Reply #126 on: Tue, 03 August 2021, 11:49:40 »
KIV this one

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #127 on: Sun, 08 August 2021, 05:59:42 »
Hi. Any updates on this?

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« Reply #128 on: Tue, 14 September 2021, 07:06:46 »
looking forward

Offline jagger27

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #129 on: Mon, 20 September 2021, 15:02:34 »
Patiently waiting for GB :)

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #130 on: Sat, 09 October 2021, 16:03:46 »
ooo im interested in this set, i've only heard of jis through screwdrivers never heard of a keyboard having to classify for jis but interesting nonetheless. if this goes into gb definitely planning to buy. gl!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #131 on: Sat, 09 October 2021, 16:22:23 »
quite interested in this for the 4.5u spacebar alone. what length stabilizer wire does it need? 4u? and do you know where such a stabilizer wire can be found?

Offline jagger27

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« Reply #132 on: Tue, 12 October 2021, 19:15:42 »
quite interested in this for the 4.5u spacebar alone. what length stabilizer wire does it need? 4u? and do you know where such a stabilizer wire can be found?

That's a good question. It should be faaaairly easy to make a custom one from a spare 6.25U or 7U wire. I wonder how wobbly it would be on a 2U stab though if that's where the mounts are in the keycap.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 14 October 2021, 06:11:50 »
I would like to see this with a colevrak kit (bonus points if you include an "A" homing key for QGMLWB support also) and 1u mods.
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« Reply #134 on: Thu, 14 October 2021, 10:48:21 »
I would like to see this with a colevrak kit (bonus points if you include an "A" homing key for QGMLWB support also) and 1u mods.

...you've, uh, seen GMK kitting before, right?

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« Reply #135 on: Thu, 14 October 2021, 13:19:20 »
from 2moon's discord:


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« Reply #136 on: Sun, 17 October 2021, 15:29:12 »
from 2moon's discord:

Show Image


oh for ****s sake

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« Reply #137 on: Sun, 17 October 2021, 21:39:18 »
any consideration for hiragana alphas?
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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #138 on: Sun, 17 October 2021, 22:09:48 »
super cool what your doing! this looks very cool, does gmk already have these molds? Or are these uv or something

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #139 on: Mon, 18 October 2021, 14:47:47 »
UK vendor would be great

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #140 on: Mon, 18 October 2021, 15:02:36 »
any consideration for hiragana alphas?

The whole set is Hiragana, no?
 

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #141 on: Wed, 03 November 2021, 04:44:51 »
Updated renders, moving forward now.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 03 November 2021, 06:22:15 »
one of the kits im looking forward to the most!!

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #143 on: Wed, 03 November 2021, 09:48:04 »
any consideration for hiragana alphas?

The whole set is Hiragana, no?
I think they meant hiragana mono legends

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« Reply #144 on: Wed, 03 November 2021, 12:58:01 »
 :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

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« Reply #145 on: Thu, 04 November 2021, 02:10:13 »
nice sets

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« Reply #146 on: Sat, 13 November 2021, 20:56:48 »
GB time has come!

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« Reply #147 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 08:51:49 »
GB time has come!

wait what?! it's happening?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #149 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 15:23:21 »
Can we have a price table? :)

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #150 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 17:52:38 »
does this set use standard gmk black and white colors? or are they custom ones?

Offline 2Moons

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #151 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 17:56:18 »
does this set use standard gmk black and white colors? or are they custom ones?

Just the standard. There are many new legends and a new spacebar mold.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) WoB (Render Update)
« Reply #152 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 17:56:53 »
Can we have a price table? :)

I'm working on this now.

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« Reply #153 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 18:36:37 »
What's the Pantone for the white spacebars in this kit?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS Live now 11/14 - 12-14
« Reply #154 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 18:39:26 »
[mention]2Moons [/mention] Love your work on this set and would like to build a keyboard in the JIS layout so the set will be use in full potential.

I know you dabbled in PCB design as well. Is it possible that you design TKL pcb (like the H88 or H87) to fit the JIS layout?

That would so cool!


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Offline 2Moons

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS Live now 11/14 - 12-14
« Reply #155 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 19:53:02 »
All pricing up on the IC


[mention]2Moons [/mention] Love your work on this set and would like to build a keyboard in the JIS layout so the set will be use in full potential.

I know you dabbled in PCB design as well. Is it possible that you design TKL pcb (like the H88 or H87) to fit the JIS layout?

That would so cool!

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Actually YES. There will probably be 2 JIS TKL pcbs and a 60 percent coming out during or soon after the GB. 4.5u stabilizers will be a thing coming soon as well.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS Live now 11/14 - 12-14
« Reply #156 on: Sun, 14 November 2021, 22:47:14 »
All pricing up on the IC


[mention]2Moons [/mention] Love your work on this set and would like to build a keyboard in the JIS layout so the set will be use in full potential.

I know you dabbled in PCB design as well. Is it possible that you design TKL pcb (like the H88 or H87) to fit the JIS layout?

That would so cool!

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Actually YES. There will probably be 2 JIS TKL pcbs and a 60 percent coming out during or soon after the GB. 4.5u stabilizers will be a thing coming soon as well.

whoa this would be cool

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS Live now 11/14 - 12-14
« Reply #157 on: Mon, 15 November 2021, 22:53:00 »
Very cool set. I ordered a few kits. What do the rings with the three arrows mean? I haven't been able to find out from image search.

Offline 2Moons

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS Live now 11/14 - 12-14
« Reply #158 on: Mon, 15 November 2021, 23:13:53 »
Very cool set. I ordered a few kits. What do the rings with the three arrows mean? I haven't been able to find out from image search.

Same as 無変換 Muhenkan and 変換 Henkan. You can usually find them on Filco and Realforce JIS keyboards. Filco and Realforce said they were an open source design so I included them.

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS | Week 2 | Live until December 14th
« Reply #159 on: Mon, 06 December 2021, 17:50:18 »
Someone asked this earlier, but it doesn't look like its been answered anywhere...
What white are the set gonna use. A new Patone white or a GMK preset like WS1 or WS2?

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Re: [IC] GMK JIS | Week 2 | Live until December 14th
« Reply #160 on: Mon, 06 December 2021, 18:25:32 »
Someone asked this earlier, but it doesn't look like its been answered anywhere...
What white are the set gonna use. A new Patone white or a GMK preset like WS1 or WS2?

It's WS1 on CR.