I use broken vintage alps keyboards for my custom keyboard.
Here's some of my works.
1. alpetit II : Alps Salmon Pink Switch from Dell AT101
acrylic housing + 1.5T STS mounting plate.
(Attachment Link)
It's no good for me. I don't use it. Switches are too damaged, I just assembled this for sample shots. What a waste.
2. alpetit II : Alps Plate Spring Switch from IBM 5576-001 and Keycaps from Apple M0115 + M0116
acrylic housing + 1.2T STS mounting plate.
(Attachment Link)
One of my favorite. The clicky sounds and tactile feeling are so addictive. (I replaced housing with red one after took youtube video stream.)
3. VE.A : Alps Green Linear Switch from Zenith ZKB-2 and Keycaps from Apple M3501 + M0116
CNC aluminium Armor + CNC Poly Carbonate Frame + 1.5T STS mounting plate.
(Attachment Link)
This is my weapon of choice. Just perfect for my taste.
Alps green linear switch is my favorite.
It has subtle tactile feeling even it's designed as a linear mechanism.
Pressure is not that light, but bouncy.
I coated its slider with krytox lubs, feels a little soaked but smooth.
sweet any price estimates?
sweet any price estimates?
For the private GB it was ~$400 so I'd assume a little more than that for international, if possible.
sweet any price estimates?
For the private GB it was ~$400 so I'd assume a little more than that for international, if possible.
man that's steep. Hopefully we can get someone here on GH to get in contact with people over at kbdlab and get a GB for us.
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Welcome to Geekhack; nice to have you here.
Regarding your 3 questions, I ran a survey asking 2 of those, so I can PM you the results later if you wish. I'd say PayPal for the payment method though, its the easiest and safest way.
If you need any help or someone to talk to, feel free to PM and I'll try and help! :thumb:
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Amazing board. Definitely want it, please make this happen.
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Hey Zefyr,
Welcome to geekhack!
I've noticed for keyboards GB a good one will usually be around 2-3 months. Some GBs, like the Orion v2, have lasted 9 months but that is obviously not ideal. I think if you can get your first group buy to be around 3-4 months that would be fantastic, the sooner the better but I can understand waiting for production.
PayPal is usually the preferred payment method that we like to use for GBs.
Normal GBs would have a 2 week order period and then send out invoices for them to be paid and start production. I noticed that the faster GBs already put an order in to the shop to get production going before they are paid by the members but that can require a fair bit of money beforehand.
I'm super excited to try and get my hands on one of your boards, it looks really interesting!
Hi ZeFyr,
1.6 months?
2. PayPal is my preferred payment method
3. Group buys here start to collect payment before production.
Hope it helps
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Welcome to Geekhack; nice to have you here.
Regarding your 3 questions, I ran a survey asking 2 of those, so I can PM you the results later if you wish. I'd say PayPal for the payment method though, its the easiest and safest way.
If you need any help or someone to talk to, feel free to PM and I'll try and help! :thumb:
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.
1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?
I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
Hello there Vermillion!! Thank you for coming on here and talking to us! I think your product is superb (from all i've gathered thus far), and am super excited you are seeking information pertaining to our market !! I'm confident that many people are interested and willing to wait for one of your keyboards.
P.S. - please also consider making the stand available !!
If you haven't used Paypal to accept large sums of money before, please be aware that they may lock the money for a period of time before releasing it to you, and they may request proof that you are shipping out a tangible good. It is possible if you speak to them beforehand that this will not occur.
Someone may be able to provide more information regarding this, but I have seen various people experience this before from different backgrounds (vinyl record boxsets, things here on GH) when accepting "pre-order" money.
I'll just leave this here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=63296.0
2. alpetit II : Alps Plate Spring Switch from IBM 5576-001 and Keycaps from Apple M0115 + M0116
acrylic housing + 1.2T STS mounting plate.
(Attachment Link)
One of my favorite. The clicky sounds and tactile feeling are so addictive. (I replaced housing with red one after took youtube video stream.)
hotswappable Alps
hotswappable Alps
Bit of a n00b question here, but does hotswappable Alps mean that you can simply pull out a switch without desoldering, stick a different one in, and have it working immediately?
Yes.
Watching the hell out of this thread! God damn I want this!
I get paid at the end of the month, I'd love to get a spot in this. 30 sounds like a good number.
Very excited now. ;D ;D ;D ;D
If there's going to be a limited quantity, are you going to number them?
I think that would be cool.
I just talked with my partner (I mentioned him as my factory guy.)
I also watching this thread (even before I found this thread) and excited about it.
Here's plan.
First, limit quantity is 30.
it can be more if someone helps me quality checking and packaging and shipping. ;D
Second, application priority.
As I said. I have list. it hit 10th and I consider my list as "pre-survey for production quantity estimation".
Even if list (hopefully) gets 30th name, I'll keep adding list for estimation.
Since my past 4~5 GBs experience, not all people who touched me before GB has joined actual GB. about 30% of them are touched me "just for in case of..." purpose.
I'm a man who think promise seriously, even if it was not a formal mention. So who made contact with me personally will get priority in order.
Third, schedule.
As I planned, I'll start late Feb.
Even if I cannot make spare time for GB, my partner will help. He also can communicate in English.
Fourth, options excluded.
My friends who joined 1st round wants to keep VE.A special, unique, rare thing.
So 2nd round 'personal laser name plate' will be excluded.
And Color option will be simple. Black and Silver. (maybe Dark Grey?)
Gold, Green will not be produced this time.
Fifth, options added.
Acrylic stand will be included as an option.
Pre-soldering will be included as an option, I already reserved best keyboard workshop in R.O.K.
Any question is welcome.
I'm so excited!
-ZeF
Is the board programmable with multiple layers?
Does it support NKRO?
I still want the board, love the design, just wondering that's all
. . . because the PCB is both Alps and Cherry MX that causes the conflict, or would it be this way if it were just an Alps PCB alone, good sir?The PCB supports both Alps and MX? Same for plate?
List just hit 15th
Yes, PCB is compatible for Alps and MX both.. . . because the PCB is both Alps and Cherry MX that causes the conflict, or would it be this way if it were just an Alps PCB alone, good sir?The PCB supports both Alps and MX? Same for plate?
Could one board have both Alps and MX?
You just did. You are on my list.List just hit 15th
Zefyr,
I would purchase as well, is this list the one on kdlab? Or how we sign up?
Thanks
You just did. You are on my list.List just hit 15th
Zefyr,
I would purchase as well, is this list the one on kdlab? Or how we sign up?
Thanks
You just did. You are on my list.List just hit 15th
Zefyr,
I would purchase as well, is this list the one on kdlab? Or how we sign up?
Thanks
zefyr, can I be put on the list too :)
Apparently, I made big mistake.
GH is global :'(
(So many PMs :)))
I just posted IC on forum.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79318.0
You can PM me but also just put your reply on IC thread, that's enough for me :)
Apparently, I made big mistake.
GH is global :'(
(So many PMs :)))
I just posted IC on forum.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79318.0
You can PM me but also just put your reply on IC thread, that's enough for me :)
Will there be a GB for this or is the IC the only way to get this "list"?
Apparently, I made big mistake.
GH is global :'(
(So many PMs :)))
I just posted IC on forum.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79318.0
You can PM me but also just put your reply on IC thread, that's enough for me :)
Will there be a GB for this or is the IC the only way to get this "list"?
This question is what I was afraid of.
When I said I'm keeping list... I was just trying to be friendly, considering friendship.
Wow, I was so wrong.
But you know, I said it. so, I'll keep my list by PM, e-mail, IC reply.
I'll give priority in order of my own way. List is one of the way.
Please don't take this as bragging or something like that.
This question is what I was afraid of.
When I said I'm keeping list... I was just trying to be friendly, considering friendship.
Wow, I was so wrong.
But you know, I said it. so, I'll keep my list by PM, e-mail, IC reply.
I'll give priority in order of my own way. List is one of the way.
Please don't take this as bragging or something like that.
Apparently, I made big mistake.
GH is global :'(
(So many PMs :)))
I just posted IC on forum.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79318.0
You can PM me but also just put your reply on IC thread, that's enough for me :)
Will there be a GB for this or is the IC the only way to get this "list"?
This question is what I was afraid of.
When I said I'm keeping list... I was just trying to be friendly, considering friendship.
Wow, I was so wrong.
But you know, I said it. so, I'll keep my list by PM, e-mail, IC reply.
I'll give priority in order of my own way. List is one of the way.
Please don't take this as bragging or something like that.
I think whatever works for you is best. I would like to add that we are all enthusiasts here, so if you are trying to make a list this way, it may be hard to keep up with! ;)
Yeah, it doesn't seem like theres a form or anything, so im not sure by what process Vermillion is going to be selecting people for the "list"
hopefully those that showed interest early on get some priority :p
edit:
ahh he clarified some--QuoteThis question is what I was afraid of.
When I said I'm keeping list... I was just trying to be friendly, considering friendship.
Wow, I was so wrong.
But you know, I said it. so, I'll keep my list by PM, e-mail, IC reply.
I'll give priority in order of my own way. List is one of the way.
Please don't take this as bragging or something like that.
Will you reach out or post a public list when it fills? :cool:
Is the cable between the two halves a sata cable?
Just pmd. Would also like to be on the list.
Just pmd. Would also like to be on the list.
Just post in the IC thread if you're interested. He's probably getting swamped with PMs on this.
He seems a bit overwhelmed! I hope we haven't scared him away :-X
The IC thread is locked for now.
I'll opt out. I was on the fence for this board, and I'll gladly let someone else have a go if I even were being considered.In the IC you said you couldn't afford one at this time. Is this some more reverse psychology? Maybe you'll end up getting one free.
That'll actually free up some funds for things I already had planned in the budget. :-*
I'll opt out. I was on the fence for this board, and I'll gladly let someone else have a go if I even were being considered.In the IC you said you couldn't afford one at this time. Is this some more reverse psychology? Maybe you'll end up getting one free.
That'll actually free up some funds for things I already had planned in the budget. :-*
Just join in on the even cooler next version.I'll opt out. I was on the fence for this board, and I'll gladly let someone else have a go if I even were being considered.In the IC you said you couldn't afford one at this time. Is this some more reverse psychology? Maybe you'll end up getting one free.
That'll actually free up some funds for things I already had planned in the budget. :-*
lol Later on I said I might join after all. I eliminated some things from the monthly budget, but now I'll go back to the original plan as if I never saw this thread.
That is, *if* I was even put on the list!
I'll opt out. I was on the fence for this board, and I'll gladly let someone else have a go if I even were being considered.In the IC you said you couldn't afford one at this time. Is this some more reverse psychology? Maybe you'll end up getting one free.
That'll actually free up some funds for things I already had planned in the budget. :-*
lol Later on I said I might join after all. I eliminated some things from the monthly budget, but now I'll go back to the original plan as if I never saw this thread.
That is, *if* I was even put on the list!
Can I take his spot?I'll opt out. I was on the fence for this board, and I'll gladly let someone else have a go if I even were being considered.In the IC you said you couldn't afford one at this time. Is this some more reverse psychology? Maybe you'll end up getting one free.
That'll actually free up some funds for things I already had planned in the budget. :-*
lol Later on I said I might join after all. I eliminated some things from the monthly budget, but now I'll go back to the original plan as if I never saw this thread.
That is, *if* I was even put on the list!
Bad news my friend, you're on my list.
Can I take his spot?I'll opt out. I was on the fence for this board, and I'll gladly let someone else have a go if I even were being considered.In the IC you said you couldn't afford one at this time. Is this some more reverse psychology? Maybe you'll end up getting one free.
That'll actually free up some funds for things I already had planned in the budget. :-*
lol Later on I said I might join after all. I eliminated some things from the monthly budget, but now I'll go back to the original plan as if I never saw this thread.
That is, *if* I was even put on the list!
Bad news my friend, you're on my list.
Yes! This is still slated to run later this month right?Can I take his spot?I'll opt out. I was on the fence for this board, and I'll gladly let someone else have a go if I even were being considered.In the IC you said you couldn't afford one at this time. Is this some more reverse psychology? Maybe you'll end up getting one free.
That'll actually free up some funds for things I already had planned in the budget. :-*
lol Later on I said I might join after all. I eliminated some things from the monthly budget, but now I'll go back to the original plan as if I never saw this thread.
That is, *if* I was even put on the list!
Bad news my friend, you're on my list.
You already also are. lol
Can I take his spot?I'll opt out. I was on the fence for this board, and I'll gladly let someone else have a go if I even were being considered.In the IC you said you couldn't afford one at this time. Is this some more reverse psychology? Maybe you'll end up getting one free.
That'll actually free up some funds for things I already had planned in the budget. :-*
lol Later on I said I might join after all. I eliminated some things from the monthly budget, but now I'll go back to the original plan as if I never saw this thread.
That is, *if* I was even put on the list!
Bad news my friend, you're on my list.
You already also are. lol
Haha we are sorry for the massive amount of interest Throwing out the list is probably the best course of action since there are just way too many people who are interested.Yeah hopefully with the raise of the cap you and your partner still make it without a head ache. :)
Good luck with the group buy! I hope the raise to 50 people isn't going to be overwhelming. :thumb:
And I think sharing my list can cause some kind of argue... So, I'll not share my list.
I'll pick application on my own way.
All I have to do is solve some problem with payment and withdrawal from paypal.
I got some ahead-information that might be a serious pain in my ass.
Worst case, I might charge Korean Tax (10% + 3.4%).
I think me and my partner can handle up to 50.
But you know, money issue should be handled first.
Any suggestion for that money issue is needed.
And I think sharing my list can cause some kind of argue... So, I'll not share my list.
I'll pick application on my own way.
This is definitely the way to go. People will understand that you can't make keyboards for everyone without it becoming a chore for you or something that isn't fun anymoreAll I have to do is solve some problem with payment and withdrawal from paypal.
I got some ahead-information that might be a serious pain in my ass.
Worst case, I might charge Korean Tax (10% + 3.4%).
I think me and my partner can handle up to 50.
But you know, money issue should be handled first.
Any suggestion for that money issue is needed.
Really, just charge whatever you feel like you need to cover any fees you might encounter + whatever extra you feel like you deserve. Again, people here will understand completely
And seriously, don't feel like you need to raise the number of orders here. Whatever is comfortable for you
He seems a bit overwhelmed! I hope we haven't scared him away :-X
The IC thread is locked for now.
It's hard to really say anything against all the interest, because his work is very unique and those are some lovely boards.
I think we just need to realize that, like with artisan makers, we're dealing with a single individual, an artist in his own right, and moreover, someone who's new to GeekHack entirely. As we can see, he wasn't expecting any of this.
I feel bad for him, because I know he just wanted to really make people happy with this board, but now he has the additional burden of choosing who gets one, who doesn't, and how he'll handle the heavy influx of interest.
And I think sharing my list can cause some kind of argue... So, I'll not share my list.
I'll pick application on my own way.
This is definitely the way to go. People will understand that you can't make keyboards for everyone without it becoming a chore for you or something that isn't fun anymoreAll I have to do is solve some problem with payment and withdrawal from paypal.
I got some ahead-information that might be a serious pain in my ass.
Worst case, I might charge Korean Tax (10% + 3.4%).
I think me and my partner can handle up to 50.
But you know, money issue should be handled first.
Any suggestion for that money issue is needed.
Really, just charge whatever you feel like you need to cover any fees you might encounter + whatever extra you feel like you deserve. Again, people here will understand completely
And seriously, don't feel like you need to raise the number of orders here. Whatever is comfortable for you
I have a little problem to take things seriously more than I have to, it's like sickness, a bad one.
What you said was released my emotional burden.
Still, I'll do my best to make this happen.
As I talked with E3E long night,
What I want is just...
To who types, split keyboard should be a thing for them that cannot be replaced.
That why I made VE series not just for me.
Thank you guys, I'm so happy now, even I had a nightmare somebody hitting my skull over and over again. :D
OK guys.
I have to admit I've under-estimated your interests on this.
I cannot keep listing, since tracking time is too much for me.
So, I'll not listing anymore. It hit almost 100. Waaaaaay to many.
And, Really, You should not think "the list" as pass for joining.
I already mentioned several times (*soap*)
It's just like 'WOW I have these many guys who have interest on my work! I gotta share if I can!' thing.
I'm not a businessman nor a machine. So I might dropped somebody.
And I think sharing my list can cause some kind of argue... So, I'll not share my list.
I'll pick application on my own way.
I had a long night, since I forgot turn off my PM notification e-mail.
Yes, it was midnight here guys haha. I got a bad slamming from my wife.
I talked with my partner and already reserved room for packaging work.
All I have to do is solve some problem with payment and withdrawal from paypal.
I got some ahead-information that might be a serious pain in my ass.
Worst case, I might charge Korean Tax (10% + 3.4%).
I think me and my partner can handle up to 50.
But you know, money issue should be handled first.
Any suggestion for that money issue is needed.
just posting some hype no worriesShow Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/928/961/002/923089cd0bc368c76d41d68d3a63430a.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/522/324/003/fb53ac7a01cc585e6c26715f36eebcb3.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/522/324/003/839e48188b343a61526d52ea7880411d.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p2CUJv7.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/362/784/8233b401f0e1fcd1992448da5ffa184c.png)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/867/202/003/b70ff4db09bc34e39e51773c1ef2eb2e.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/325/898/4cd9a9770916eada4c975bcc9b5a5a3c.JPG)
AHAHHAH I said that with the orion v2 and here I am. There is no end game son!just posting some hype no worriesShow Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/928/961/002/923089cd0bc368c76d41d68d3a63430a.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/522/324/003/fb53ac7a01cc585e6c26715f36eebcb3.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/522/324/003/839e48188b343a61526d52ea7880411d.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p2CUJv7.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/362/784/8233b401f0e1fcd1992448da5ffa184c.png)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/867/202/003/b70ff4db09bc34e39e51773c1ef2eb2e.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/325/898/4cd9a9770916eada4c975bcc9b5a5a3c.JPG)
This is going to be my end game keyboard, for sure. I can't wait!
AHAHHAH I said that with the orion v2 and here I am. There is no end game son!+1
Thanks for the specifications! I'm guessing that picture was taken by you? I really love the shot :thumb:It's not me, It's just my camera did.
Thanks for the specifications! I'm guessing that picture was taken by you? I really love the shot :thumb:It's not me, It's just my camera did.
My skill sux, SO I BOUGHT VERY EXPENSIVE CAMERA.
Now I know by your post, WORTH IT.
AHAHHAH I said that with the orion v2 and here I am. There is no end game son!+1
Thanks for the specifications! I'm guessing that picture was taken by you? I really love the shot :thumb:It's not me, It's just my camera did.
My skill sux, SO I BOUGHT VERY EXPENSIVE CAMERA.
Now I know by your post, WORTH IT.
Thanks for the specifications! I'm guessing that picture was taken by you? I really love the shot :thumb:It's not me, It's just my camera did.
My skill sux, SO I BOUGHT VERY EXPENSIVE CAMERA.
Now I know by your post, WORTH IT.
Haha, it was definitely worth it, your photos turned out quite nice! Which camera and lens?!
I also bought a camera (D750 + few lens) recently so I can take nicer keyboard photos haha. :thumb:
I will try to take some photos (hopefully good ones) if I ever make the list. ;)
Thanks for the specifications! I'm guessing that picture was taken by you? I really love the shot :thumb:It's not me, It's just my camera did.
My skill sux, SO I BOUGHT VERY EXPENSIVE CAMERA.
Now I know by your post, WORTH IT.
Haha, it was definitely worth it, your photos turned out quite nice! Which camera and lens?!
I also bought a camera (D750 + few lens) recently so I can take nicer keyboard photos haha. :thumb:
I will try to take some photos (hopefully good ones) if I ever make the list. ;)
I use 6D + Sigma 24-70 EX lens.
My wife is always nagging me for taking pictures of keyboards.
Cause you know... These lines "Sweetheart! I need this camera to take your photos and babies!"
Man, I even cannot believe she buys that line. hehehe.
Cherry or replicas for F Row -> EnjoyPBT dyesub
Alps or replicas for everything else -> AEKII keycaps.
Got it!!
Cherry or replicas for F Row -> EnjoyPBT dyesub
Alps or replicas for everything else -> AEKII keycaps.
Got it!!
Cherry or replicas for F Row -> EnjoyPBT dyesub
Alps or replicas for everything else -> AEKII keycaps.
Got it!!
I had a similar idea.
Would need to go no plate or cut off the left end of the plate and I think that should work. (MX and Alps require different plates if you have not seen)
Cherry or replicas for F Row -> EnjoyPBT dyesub
Alps or replicas for everything else -> AEKII keycaps.
Got it!!
I had a similar idea.
Would need to go no plate or cut off the left end of the plate and I think that should work. (MX and Alps require different plates if you have not seen)
Cherry or replicas for F Row -> EnjoyPBT dyesub
Alps or replicas for everything else -> AEKII keycaps.
Got it!!Cherry or replicas for F Row -> EnjoyPBT dyesub
Alps or replicas for everything else -> AEKII keycaps.
Got it!!
I had a similar idea.
Would need to go no plate or cut off the left end of the plate and I think that should work. (MX and Alps require different plates if you have not seen)Cherry or replicas for F Row -> EnjoyPBT dyesub
Alps or replicas for everything else -> AEKII keycaps.
Got it!!
I had a similar idea.
Would need to go no plate or cut off the left end of the plate and I think that should work. (MX and Alps require different plates if you have not seen)
You cannot remove mount plate of VE.A, it's not just for switch arrangement.
And I don't have plan to make mix-and-match switch plate for now.
Cherry or replicas for F Row -> EnjoyPBT dyesub
Alps or replicas for everything else -> AEKII keycaps.
Got it!!
I had a similar idea.
Would need to go no plate or cut off the left end of the plate and I think that should work. (MX and Alps require different plates if you have not seen)
Yea, definitely need some manual trimming for the plate. Then again nothing is impossible for the love of Alps. I also choose this path because I really live AEK cap profile, but apple had to go out of their way to screw up the F row's key stems.
The creator:
Vermillion or zefyr (ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.) is a Korean based keyboard creator, making the following: Vergo type.T, alpetit, alpetit II, VE.A with Vergo type.T-II. He is a member of the KBDLAB and has always been interested in building "endgame" ergonomic keyboards.
"Vergo" is a mixture of Vermillion and Ergonomic. The VE.A is an updated version of all the ergonomic boards he has designed and made. This one comes with a stand so that it is more comfortable to type on, but it seems optional.MoreHistory:
The first round was private, as it was mainly a test of quality and for the production time scale. He kept it to people that he talked to very often, so that he could get good feedback about how the board held up. Last round was very personal, and had custom engraving and numbered parts but this won't be involved this time.
He has ran a few group buys before, and this is the first international one. There is already a lot of hype around the VE.A, so spots will fill up quickly.
Specification of VE.A:FAQ:
- Four pieces of Aluminium Armor (Aluminium 6061), Anodized
- Two pieces of Poly-Carbonate Frame
- Two pieces of 1.5T STS Switch mounting plate
- Two pieces of 0.8T STS Laser marked plate
- Matching 3M urethane bumpon included
When will this happen?
No date is set in stone, but late February is a possibility.
What switches can the PCB take?
MX and Alps.
What connection links the two parts?
SATA.
Is there a list to get one of these boards?
Originally, there was. But due to the amount of interest there isn't one anymore.
What is the expected cost?
$400-450. There is Korean tax too, which is 10% + 3.4%.
How many can be made?
First mention was 30, second was 50. Somewhere between there.
What colors are available?
Black, silver & possibly dark gray. This may change.
What other options will be available?
Acrylic stand & pre-soldering will be included as an option.
What firmware will be used?
BootMapperClient (http://blog.winkeyless.kr/181) by winkeyless.kr
Gallery:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Yyw4Jh1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p6duEU0.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bCmCyW0.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P0UazAE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wCTEdsb.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/6520/770/286/003/299997b12017e3bb2a1737d1a9f41a1f.JPG)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3ULbcux.jpg)
Other links:
VE.A GB post (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3152371)
Initial Sample (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3091358)
Final Sample (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3152205)
Vergo Stand (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3286770&mid=board_etc)
The creator:
Vermillion or zefyr (ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.) is a Korean based keyboard creator, making the following: Vergo type.T, alpetit, alpetit II, VE.A with Vergo type.T-II. He is a member of the KBDLAB and has always been interested in building "endgame" ergonomic keyboards.
"Vergo" is a mixture of Vermillion and Ergonomic. The VE.A is an updated version of all the ergonomic boards he has designed and made. This one comes with a stand so that it is more comfortable to type on, but it seems optional.MoreHistory:
The first round was private, as it was mainly a test of quality and for the production time scale. He kept it to people that he talked to very often, so that he could get good feedback about how the board held up. Last round was very personal, and had custom engraving and numbered parts but this won't be involved this time.
He has ran a few group buys before, and this is the first international one. There is already a lot of hype around the VE.A, so spots will fill up quickly.
Specification of VE.A:FAQ:
- Four pieces of Aluminium Armor (Aluminium 6061), Anodized
- Two pieces of Poly-Carbonate Frame
- Two pieces of 1.5T STS Switch mounting plate
- Two pieces of 0.8T STS Laser marked plate
- Matching 3M urethane bumpon included
When will this happen?
No date is set in stone, but late February is a possibility.
What switches can the PCB take?
MX and Alps.
What connection links the two parts?
SATA.
Is there a list to get one of these boards?
Originally, there was. But due to the amount of interest there isn't one anymore.
What is the expected cost?
$400-450. There is Korean tax too, which is 10% + 3.4%.
How many can be made?
First mention was 30, second was 50. Somewhere between there.
What colors are available?
Black, silver & possibly dark gray. This may change.
What other options will be available?
Acrylic stand & pre-soldering will be included as an option.
What firmware will be used?
BootMapperClient (http://blog.winkeyless.kr/181) by winkeyless.kr
Gallery:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Yyw4Jh1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/p6duEU0.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bCmCyW0.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P0UazAE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wCTEdsb.jpg)Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/6520/770/286/003/299997b12017e3bb2a1737d1a9f41a1f.JPG)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3ULbcux.jpg)
Other links:
VE.A GB post (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3152371)
Initial Sample (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3091358)
Final Sample (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3152205)
Vergo Stand (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3286770&mid=board_etc)
I've put all the information into the OP from this thread. Included a FAQ from what I know myself. Zefyr is allowing us to keep this thread open even though he's locked the IC thread. If you want me to credit and/or add and/or remove anything then PM me.
If I hadn't been sick the past two days and missed this thread :'( Oh and also octagon v2 by 8 entries :-X
Welp I guess my wallet is safe for another month :rolleyes:
Yeah I know, but from what I understand following this thread there is already a "list", and that it was filled up almost instantaneously. I would totally be interested to hop on this beauty if there is a chance though.
Yeah I know, but from what I understand following this thread there is already a "list", and that it was filled up almost instantaneously. I would totally be interested to hop on this beauty if there is a chance though.
And, Really, You should not think "the list" as pass for joining.
I already mentioned several times (*soap*)
Yeah I know, but from what I understand following this thread there is already a "list", and that it was filled up almost instantaneously. I would totally be interested to hop on this beauty if there is a chance though.
Yeah I know, but from what I understand following this thread there is already a "list", and that it was filled up almost instantaneously. I would totally be interested to hop on this beauty if there is a chance though.
The list has been abandoned. It started as people that he talked to, then people than asked him and then it got scraped.
So, I'll not listing anymore. It hit almost 100. Waaaaaay to many.
I'll pick application on my own way.
I locked IC thread just because "the silly list" thing I have mentioned.
That maybe a disappointing for someone, so as preventing action, I locked IC thread.
Ahhh, i see what you are saying -- No need for confirmation -- wouldn't want to burden/overwhelm him further :eek:
I'm certain I am one among many others that want clarity in order to sate our anxiety levels over being chosen.
But we'll have to sit & wait for when he is adequately prepared/wants to divulge that info
Ahhh, i see what you are saying -- No need for confirmation -- wouldn't want to burden/overwhelm him further :eek:
I'm certain I am one among many others that want clarity in order to sate our anxiety levels over being chosen.
But we'll have to sit & wait for when he is adequately prepared/wants to divulge that info
OK guys, this is how it went so far, and will be.
First of all, when I'm a total stranger here, I used the word "you are on my list." like... a joke. you know - "HEY!!! YOU ARE ON MY LIST!!!' as a threat when a character on TV show gets mad.
I just want to be friendly and be a funny foreign guy. (Wow I'm a foreigner here~ feel weird.)
It's obvious that I used that phrase wrong. Maybe I should not watch US TV (like BigBangTheory and so on) anymore :)
I wanted to make friends who are interested in my works
And being friend that I really don't want turn down somebody.
That why I made my list. It's clear now? It's just my buddie list :) (that now I don't know why I kept that.)
But somewhere I don't know, it changed! like its some pass for pre-join ticket! even I didn't realized that.
So many PMs requesting "get me in the list", posting about "list"...
So frankly, I got a little scared, stressed :). That's why I closed IC thread.
I have a little problem to take things seriously more than I have to.
OK, If I have to be official, I'll put it this way.
I'll try not to turn down application of friends, I'm no machine. I cares. I cares my friends.
But there's no "list" anymore.
This means "let me in your list" won't be the way in the GB.
After all, somebody can takes this like bragging, thinking 'who the hell this guys thinks he is?'
Believe me, I know I'm not. I don't have any purpose to talk myself up.
Please, don't be disappointed, I have limited amount of off-work time.
This is not my job, it's my hobby just like you guys.
And plus one. I'll unlock IC, that doesn't mean I'll append my list or something. I just love to look that thread grows, hehe.
Ahhh, i see what you are saying -- No need for confirmation -- wouldn't want to burden/overwhelm him further :eek:
I'm certain I am one among many others that want clarity in order to sate our anxiety levels over being chosen.
But we'll have to sit & wait for when he is adequately prepared/wants to divulge that info
OK guys, this is how it went so far, and will be.
First of all, when I'm a total stranger here, I used the word "you are on my list." like... a joke. you know - "HEY!!! YOU ARE ON MY LIST!!!' as a threat when a character on TV show gets mad.
I just want to be friendly and be a funny foreign guy. (Wow I'm a foreigner here~ feel weird.)
It's obvious that I used that phrase wrong. Maybe I should not watch US TV (like BigBangTheory and so on) anymore :)
I wanted to make friends who are interested in my works
And being friend that I really don't want turn down somebody.
That why I made my list. It's clear now? It's just my buddie list :) (that now I don't know why I kept that.)
But somewhere I don't know, it changed! like its some pass for pre-join ticket! even I didn't realized that.
So many PMs requesting "get me in the list", posting about "list"...
So frankly, I got a little scared, stressed :). That's why I closed IC thread.
I have a little problem to take things seriously more than I have to.
OK, If I have to be official, I'll put it this way.
I'll try not to turn down application of friends, I'm no machine. I cares. I cares my friends.
But there's no "list" anymore.
This means "let me in your list" won't be the way in the GB.
After all, somebody can takes this like bragging, thinking 'who the hell this guys thinks he is?'
Believe me, I know I'm not. I don't have any purpose to talk myself up.
Please, don't be disappointed, I have limited amount of off-work time.
This is not my job, it's my hobby just like you guys.
And plus one. I'll unlock IC, that doesn't mean I'll append my list or something. I just love to look that thread grows, hehe.
Ahhh, i see what you are saying -- No need for confirmation -- wouldn't want to burden/overwhelm him further :eek:
I'm certain I am one among many others that want clarity in order to sate our anxiety levels over being chosen.
But we'll have to sit & wait for when he is adequately prepared/wants to divulge that info
OK guys, this is how it went so far, and will be.
First of all, when I'm a total stranger here, I used the word "you are on my list." like... a joke. you know - "HEY!!! YOU ARE ON MY LIST!!!' as a threat when a character on TV show gets mad.
I just want to be friendly and be a funny foreign guy. (Wow I'm a foreigner here~ feel weird.)
It's obvious that I used that phrase wrong. Maybe I should not watch US TV (like BigBangTheory and so on) anymore :)
I wanted to make friends who are interested in my works
And being friend that I really don't want turn down somebody.
That why I made my list. It's clear now? It's just my buddie list :) (that now I don't know why I kept that.)
But somewhere I don't know, it changed! like its some pass for pre-join ticket! even I didn't realized that.
So many PMs requesting "get me in the list", posting about "list"...
So frankly, I got a little scared, stressed :). That's why I closed IC thread.
I have a little problem to take things seriously more than I have to.
OK, If I have to be official, I'll put it this way.
I'll try not to turn down application of friends, I'm no machine. I cares. I cares my friends.
But there's no "list" anymore.
This means "let me in your list" won't be the way in the GB.
After all, somebody can takes this like bragging, thinking 'who the hell this guys thinks he is?'
Believe me, I know I'm not. I don't have any purpose to talk myself up.
Please, don't be disappointed, I have limited amount of off-work time.
This is not my job, it's my hobby just like you guys.
And plus one. I'll unlock IC, that doesn't mean I'll append my list or something. I'm just really happy to look that thread growing, hehe.
lol Welcome to Western audiences, zefyr!
Glad to have you here, and I look forward to seeing your amazing work. I've seen more of your boards and what I love most is seeing the different cases people have put them in.
One question, though: Why the left cluster? It seems redundant considering the rest of the board has the necessary keys. Or is it to add a sense of equilibrium to the two halves?
Ahhh, i see what you are saying -- No need for confirmation -- wouldn't want to burden/overwhelm him further :eek:
I'm certain I am one among many others that want clarity in order to sate our anxiety levels over being chosen.
But we'll have to sit & wait for when he is adequately prepared/wants to divulge that info
OK guys, this is how it went so far, and will be.
First of all, when I'm a total stranger here, I used the word "you are on my list." like... a joke. you know - "HEY!!! YOU ARE ON MY LIST!!!' as a threat when a character on TV show gets mad.
I just want to be friendly and be a funny foreign guy. (Wow I'm a foreigner here~ feel weird.)
It's obvious that I used that phrase wrong. Maybe I should not watch US TV (like BigBangTheory and so on) anymore :)
I wanted to make friends who are interested in my works
And being friend that I really don't want turn down somebody.
That why I made my list. It's clear now? It's just my buddie list :) (that now I don't know why I kept that.)
But somewhere I don't know, it changed! like its some pass for pre-join ticket! even I didn't realized that.
So many PMs requesting "get me in the list", posting about "list"...
So frankly, I got a little scared, stressed :). That's why I closed IC thread.
I have a little problem to take things seriously more than I have to.
OK, If I have to be official, I'll put it this way.
I'll try not to turn down application of friends, I'm no machine. I cares. I cares my friends.
But there's no "list" anymore.
This means "let me in your list" won't be the way in the GB.
After all, somebody can takes this like bragging, thinking 'who the hell this guys thinks he is?'
Believe me, I know I'm not. I don't have any purpose to talk myself up.
Please, don't be disappointed, I have limited amount of off-work time.
This is not my job, it's my hobby just like you guys.
And plus one. I'll unlock IC, that doesn't mean I'll append my list or something. I just love to look that thread grows, hehe.
Ahhh, i see what you are saying -- No need for confirmation -- wouldn't want to burden/overwhelm him further :eek:
I'm certain I am one among many others that want clarity in order to sate our anxiety levels over being chosen.
But we'll have to sit & wait for when he is adequately prepared/wants to divulge that info
OK guys, this is how it went so far, and will be.
First of all, when I'm a total stranger here, I used the word "you are on my list." like... a joke. you know - "HEY!!! YOU ARE ON MY LIST!!!' as a threat when a character on TV show gets mad.
I just want to be friendly and be a funny foreign guy. (Wow I'm a foreigner here~ feel weird.)
It's obvious that I used that phrase wrong. Maybe I should not watch US TV (like BigBangTheory and so on) anymore :)
I wanted to make friends who are interested in my works
And being friend that I really don't want turn down somebody.
That why I made my list. It's clear now? It's just my buddie list :) (that now I don't know why I kept that.)
But somewhere I don't know, it changed! like its some pass for pre-join ticket! even I didn't realized that.
So many PMs requesting "get me in the list", posting about "list"...
So frankly, I got a little scared, stressed :). That's why I closed IC thread.
I have a little problem to take things seriously more than I have to.
OK, If I have to be official, I'll put it this way.
I'll try not to turn down application of friends, I'm no machine. I cares. I cares my friends.
But there's no "list" anymore.
This means "let me in your list" won't be the way in the GB.
After all, somebody can takes this like bragging, thinking 'who the hell this guys thinks he is?'
Believe me, I know I'm not. I don't have any purpose to talk myself up.
Please, don't be disappointed, I have limited amount of off-work time.
This is not my job, it's my hobby just like you guys.
And plus one. I'll unlock IC, that doesn't mean I'll append my list or something. I just love to look that thread grows, hehe.
Apologies if any of my/other responses concerning your selection process is mistaken for some sort of aggression, that wasn't the intention ~
Groupbuys & limited runs of all sorts are run on this website, and I believe many of the members are well aware that there is no guarantee when it comes to being included!
Ahhh, i see what you are saying -- No need for confirmation -- wouldn't want to burden/overwhelm him further :eek:
I'm certain I am one among many others that want clarity in order to sate our anxiety levels over being chosen.
But we'll have to sit & wait for when he is adequately prepared/wants to divulge that info
OK guys, this is how it went so far, and will be.
First of all, when I'm a total stranger here, I used the word "you are on my list." like... a joke. you know - "HEY!!! YOU ARE ON MY LIST!!!' as a threat when a character on TV show gets mad.
I just want to be friendly and be a funny foreign guy. (Wow I'm a foreigner here~ feel weird.)
It's obvious that I used that phrase wrong. Maybe I should not watch US TV (like BigBangTheory and so on) anymore :)
I wanted to make friends who are interested in my works
And being friend that I really don't want turn down somebody.
That why I made my list. It's clear now? It's just my buddie list :) (that now I don't know why I kept that.)
But somewhere I don't know, it changed! like its some pass for pre-join ticket! even I didn't realized that.
So many PMs requesting "get me in the list", posting about "list"...
So frankly, I got a little scared, stressed :). That's why I closed IC thread.
I have a little problem to take things seriously more than I have to.
OK, If I have to be official, I'll put it this way.
I'll try not to turn down application of friends, I'm no machine. I cares. I cares my friends.
But there's no "list" anymore.
This means "let me in your list" won't be the way in the GB.
After all, somebody can takes this like bragging, thinking 'who the hell this guys thinks he is?'
Believe me, I know I'm not. I don't have any purpose to talk myself up.
Please, don't be disappointed, I have limited amount of off-work time.
This is not my job, it's my hobby just like you guys.
And plus one. I'll unlock IC, that doesn't mean I'll append my list or something. I just love to look that thread grows, hehe.
AHAHHAH I said that with the orion v2 and here I am. There is no end game son!
Ahhh, i see what you are saying -- No need for confirmation -- wouldn't want to burden/overwhelm him further :eek:
I'm certain I am one among many others that want clarity in order to sate our anxiety levels over being chosen.
But we'll have to sit & wait for when he is adequately prepared/wants to divulge that info
OK guys, this is how it went so far, and will be.
First of all, when I'm a total stranger here, I used the word "you are on my list." like... a joke. you know - "HEY!!! YOU ARE ON MY LIST!!!' as a threat when a character on TV show gets mad.
I just want to be friendly and be a funny foreign guy. (Wow I'm a foreigner here~ feel weird.)
It's obvious that I used that phrase wrong. Maybe I should not watch US TV (like BigBangTheory and so on) anymore :)
I wanted to make friends who are interested in my works
And being friend that I really don't want turn down somebody.
That why I made my list. It's clear now? It's just my buddie list :) (that now I don't know why I kept that.)
But somewhere I don't know, it changed! like its some pass for pre-join ticket! even I didn't realized that.
So many PMs requesting "get me in the list", posting about "list"...
So frankly, I got a little scared, stressed :). That's why I closed IC thread.
I have a little problem to take things seriously more than I have to.
OK, If I have to be official, I'll put it this way.
I'll try not to turn down application of friends, I'm no machine. I cares. I cares my friends.
But there's no "list" anymore.
This means "let me in your list" won't be the way in the GB.
After all, somebody can takes this like bragging, thinking 'who the hell this guys thinks he is?'
Believe me, I know I'm not. I don't have any purpose to talk myself up.
Please, don't be disappointed, I have limited amount of off-work time.
This is not my job, it's my hobby just like you guys.
And plus one. I'll unlock IC, that doesn't mean I'll append my list or something. I just love to look that thread grows, hehe.
Hahaha I like your sense of humor man. Please put me on your buddy list :p
Don't let our insane amount of interest deter you. Just do this however you want to, with the least amount of stress possible, we are all just grateful for the opportunity, and we want this to keep being fun for you too. :thumb:
Oh man, there's actual "buddie list" on GH.
Wow, I made second dumb expression.
Oopsy, I did it again~
hate to be that guy but...if there's no list how are people chosen? :-X
hate to be that guy but...if there's no list how are people chosen? :-X
there is a list of options on how to choose people
hate to be that guy but...if there's no list how are people chosen? :-X
there is a list of options on how to choose people
How about the first people to have posted in this thread get a crack at it :p
Sadly no matter what Zefyr does there will be somebody to complain and whine how they didn't get a board.
Sadly no matter what Zefyr does there will be somebody to complain and whine how they didn't get a board.
Sadly no matter what Zefyr does there will be somebody to complain and whine how they didn't get a board.
I'm going to complain and whine even if I get one. >:D
hate to be that guy but...if there's no list how are people chosen? :-X
there is a list of options on how to choose people
How about the first people to have posted in this thread get a crack at it :p
Zefyr will decide on what he wants to do. Just because we were coincidentally on the same time the the thread was posted and commented first does not mean that the rest should get screwed.
Sadly no matter what Zefyr does there will be somebody to complain and whine how they didn't get a board.
hate to be that guy but...if there's no list how are people chosen? :-X
there is a list of options on how to choose people
How about the first people to have posted in this thread get a crack at it :p
Zefyr will decide on what he wants to do. Just because we were coincidentally on the same time the the thread was posted and commented first does not mean that the rest should get screwed.
Sadly no matter what Zefyr does there will be somebody to complain and whine how they didn't get a board.
I mean there's always disappointment when someone is left out and sees others enjoying something that they wished they could've got on in. That's very understandable.
To start drama over it is less understandable and to cause a commotion is no.
But I mean, I totally understand that feeling of having missed out.
I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.
But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.
I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.
So, how do you think guys?
Ya it's funny because I felt that way when I missed out on the Octagon GB, but now that 2 people dropped out I was able to get a chance to get in. Now this board has been slated for a GB, so I have some tough decisions to make. And I'm saving for a new car lol
I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.
But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.
I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.
So, how do you think guys?
I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.
But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.
I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.
So, how do you think guys?
Ya it's funny because I felt that way when I missed out on the Octagon GB, but now that 2 people dropped out I was able to get a chance to get in. Now this board has been slated for a GB, so I have some tough decisions to make. And I'm saving for a new car lol
Who said anything about a GB?
I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.
But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.
I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.
So, how do you think guys?
Another benefit I might add is that if you do it in rounds, you can perhaps even update/revise the design, if there is anything you would like to change about it. :)
It's already an awesome design, and I completely love the combination of PC and Alu, it's just that personally I tend to tweak my designs and things... it never stops!
Yet another benefit for buyers is that, if we have a lower QTY each time, this just means Vermillion will be able to spend more time QC, because with a larger QTY, you always have to worry about more QC issues, and time is a finite resource.
Another benefit I might add is that if you do it in rounds, you can perhaps even update/revise the design, if there is anything you would like to change about it. :)
It's already an awesome design, and I completely love the combination of PC and Alu, it's just that personally I tend to tweak my designs and things... it never stops!
Yet another benefit for buyers is that, if we have a lower QTY each time, this just means Vermillion will be able to spend more time QC, because with a larger QTY, you always have to worry about more QC issues, and time is a finite resource.
Well I think zefyr doesn't want a lot boards floating around and since he has little time to handle the logistics of shipping and what not, I doubt breaking into batches would help. I think if we can get someone to help him out with the shipping and logistics a 1 off GB what be nice.
Another benefit I might add is that if you do it in rounds, you can perhaps even update/revise the design, if there is anything you would like to change about it. :)
It's already an awesome design, and I completely love the combination of PC and Alu, it's just that personally I tend to tweak my designs and things... it never stops!
Yet another benefit for buyers is that, if we have a lower QTY each time, this just means Vermillion will be able to spend more time QC, because with a larger QTY, you always have to worry about more QC issues, and time is a finite resource.
Well I think zefyr doesn't want a lot boards floating around and since he has little time to handle the logistics of shipping and what not, I doubt breaking into batches would help. I think if we can get someone to help him out with the shipping and logistics a 1 off GB what be nice.
I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.
But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.
I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.
So, how do you think guys?
Another benefit I might add is that if you do it in rounds, you can perhaps even update/revise the design, if there is anything you would like to change about it. :)
It's already an awesome design, and I completely love the combination of PC and Alu, it's just that personally I tend to tweak my designs and things... it never stops!
Yet another benefit for buyers is that, if we have a lower QTY each time, this just means Vermillion will be able to spend more time QC, because with a larger QTY, you always have to worry about more QC issues, and time is a finite resource.
Well I think zefyr doesn't want a lot boards floating around and since he has little time to handle the logistics of shipping and what not, I doubt breaking into batches would help. I think if we can get someone to help him out with the shipping and logistics a 1 off GB what be nice.
How would it make it more boards floating around? He could run a GB with 200 boards or 4 smaller ones with 50 boards each(random numbers for example). It's better to run it in small batches to maintain quality and be able to ship it out in a reasonable time. Also running it in smaller batches, like Karura said, would help zefyr in making revisions to the board to make it even better.
Another benefit I might add is that if you do it in rounds, you can perhaps even update/revise the design, if there is anything you would like to change about it. :)
It's already an awesome design, and I completely love the combination of PC and Alu, it's just that personally I tend to tweak my designs and things... it never stops!
Yet another benefit for buyers is that, if we have a lower QTY each time, this just means Vermillion will be able to spend more time QC, because with a larger QTY, you always have to worry about more QC issues, and time is a finite resource.
Well I think zefyr doesn't want a lot boards floating around and since he has little time to handle the logistics of shipping and what not, I doubt breaking into batches would help. I think if we can get someone to help him out with the shipping and logistics a 1 off GB what be nice.
I'm not sure if I completely agree with you. If anything, breaking it down into batches really allows him more control over the amount of time he wants to spend.
Less QTY = less time required, spread over a few months (let's say 4-6 months).
More QTY = more time required, need to hire someone, etc.
There is no debate that it is a much larger commitment to have to make 100-200 keyboards over 6 months, with hired help, than 30-50 keyboards over 6 months. (Note, I am using arbitrary numbers for the time required to produce and put together VE.A kits just for comparison's sake).
Another benefit I might add is that if you do it in rounds, you can perhaps even update/revise the design, if there is anything you would like to change about it. :)
It's already an awesome design, and I completely love the combination of PC and Alu, it's just that personally I tend to tweak my designs and things... it never stops!
Yet another benefit for buyers is that, if we have a lower QTY each time, this just means Vermillion will be able to spend more time QC, because with a larger QTY, you always have to worry about more QC issues, and time is a finite resource.
Well I think zefyr doesn't want a lot boards floating around and since he has little time to handle the logistics of shipping and what not, I doubt breaking into batches would help. I think if we can get someone to help him out with the shipping and logistics a 1 off GB what be nice.
I'm not sure if I completely agree with you. If anything, breaking it down into batches really allows him more control over the amount of time he wants to spend.
Less QTY = less time required, spread over a few months (let's say 4-6 months).
More QTY = more time required, need to hire someone, etc.
There is no debate that it is a much larger commitment to have to make 100-200 keyboards over 6 months, with hired help, than 30-50 keyboards over 6 months. (Note, I am using arbitrary numbers for the time required to produce and put together VE.A kits just for comparison's sake).
It is a larger commitment but from the impression I got zefyr never really planned to make this a long term project. I think he only expected to have a handful of orders and just combine it with korean one he's running, but since this blew up it really changed things.
I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.
But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.
I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.
So, how do you think guys?
I think whatever number you had in mind even before you saw the interest here should be the number you stick with, since that's the number you're comfortable with for both making/sorting/shipping it and to keep some of the rarity that might make the keyboard more special :thumb:
Yes, I agree here. Go with the number you had planned before you even opened up the interest check, Zefyr. That would be most natural and go with what you initially had expected and planned for.
Perhaps if all goes well the first batch, you can make another round or maybe even work with winkeyless.kr to produce a less limited version with an all acrylic case! But then, you already have one like that, don't you? The non-armor VE types!
Well, maybe you can collaborate with them (as I know you have with the PCB design), and have a board that is produced commonly on their website! The great thing about WKL.kr is that they really do make customs more accessible and affordable for those who really want a Korean keyboard.
I honestly think this would go perfectly with your wish for everyone to own a split keyboard. You can keep the VE.A as a special release and keep another version that is always available for purchase through winkeyless.kr.
Just a thought!
Yes, I agree here. Go with the number you had planned before you even opened up the interest check, Zefyr. That would be most natural and go with what you initially had expected and planned for.
Perhaps if all goes well the first batch, you can make another round or maybe even work with winkeyless.kr to produce a less limited version with an all acrylic case! But then, you already have one like that, don't you? The non-armor VE types!
Well, maybe you can collaborate with them (as I know you have with the PCB design), and have a board that is produced commonly on their website! The great thing about WKL.kr is that they really do make customs more accessible and affordable for those who really want a Korean keyboard.
I honestly think this would go perfectly with your wish for everyone to own a split keyboard. You can keep the VE.A as a special release and keep another version that is always available for purchase through winkeyless.kr.
Just a thought!
Good point, good point, makes a lot sense.
And I don't draw non-armored version yet. I had a little argue with my old acrylic factory guy, well... he was so rude.
That's why I made armored version even I don't afford for sampling. funny isn't it? I'm that kind of dude.
I'm working with WKL.kr (not exactly 'with' but yeh... sort of... he is a "Star artisan") he made VE.A's firmware by himself and offered to me. amazing! isn't him?
Your idea seem to be a good solution for that. I'll think about it.
And I don't draw non-armored version yet. I had a little argue with my old acrylic factory guy, well... he was so rude.
That's why I made armored version even I don't afford for sampling. funny isn't it? I'm that kind of dude.
And I don't draw non-armored version yet. I had a little argue with my old acrylic factory guy, well... he was so rude.
That's why I made armored version even I don't afford for sampling. funny isn't it? I'm that kind of dude.
Damn, that's ruthless lol
And I don't draw non-armored version yet. I had a little argue with my old acrylic factory guy, well... he was so rude.
That's why I made armored version even I don't afford for sampling. funny isn't it? I'm that kind of dude.
Damn, that's ruthless lol
Yeh... I was SO mad at him.
And then, I started watch 3D product modeling lectures from youtube.
After one week, I sent my first drawing to my new producer.
That's how much I was mad.
hmm... you know... anger may be one of my best nudge sometime. that I don't want though.
And I don't draw non-armored version yet. I had a little argue with my old acrylic factory guy, well... he was so rude.
That's why I made armored version even I don't afford for sampling. funny isn't it? I'm that kind of dude.
Damn, that's ruthless lol
Yeh... I was SO mad at him.
And then, I started watch 3D product modeling lectures from youtube.
After one week, I sent my first drawing to my new producer.
That's how much I was mad.
hmm... you know... anger may be one of my best nudge sometime. that I don't want though.
One week, that's insanely quick. Had you done anything similar before?
On a separate discussion, if people do get this, what switches are they planning to get,
I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to get ALPS because of what seems like a limited number of keysets.
It's hard enough finding keysets for my Topre's, just praying sliders become available soon at Ctrl Alt.
On a separate discussion, if people do get this, what switches are they planning to get,
I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to get ALPS because of what seems like a limited number of keysets.
It's hard enough finding keysets for my Topre's, just praying sliders become available soon at Ctrl Alt.
I am definitely more inclined toward Alps these days, but I just scored 120 vintage MX whites (the sort with the translucent stems) and I really wanted to have that as my last foray into Cherry MX. So, if I keep the Octagon v2 order I have, then I'll put them in that.
I think I'd really like to use blue Alps for the VE.A.
On a separate discussion, if people do get this, what switches are they planning to get,
I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to get ALPS because of what seems like a limited number of keysets.
It's hard enough finding keysets for my Topre's, just praying sliders become available soon at Ctrl Alt.
I am definitely more inclined toward Alps these days, but I just scored 120 vintage MX whites (the sort with the translucent stems) and I really wanted to have that as my last foray into Cherry MX. So, if I keep the Octagon v2 order I have, then I'll put them in that.
I think I'd really like to use blue Alps for the VE.A.
Where's the best place to get ALPS switches and keysets?
On a separate discussion, if people do get this, what switches are they planning to get,
I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to get ALPS because of what seems like a limited number of keysets.
It's hard enough finding keysets for my Topre's, just praying sliders become available soon at Ctrl Alt.
I am definitely more inclined toward Alps these days, but I just scored 120 vintage MX whites (the sort with the translucent stems) and I really wanted to have that as my last foray into Cherry MX. So, if I keep the Octagon v2 order I have, then I'll put them in that.
I think I'd really like to use blue Alps for the VE.A.
Where's the best place to get ALPS switches and keysets?
E3E's garage, apparently.
On a separate discussion, if people do get this, what switches are they planning to get,
I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to get ALPS because of what seems like a limited number of keysets.
It's hard enough finding keysets for my Topre's, just praying sliders become available soon at Ctrl Alt.
I am definitely more inclined toward Alps these days, but I just scored 120 vintage MX whites (the sort with the translucent stems) and I really wanted to have that as my last foray into Cherry MX. So, if I keep the Octagon v2 order I have, then I'll put them in that.
I think I'd really like to use blue Alps for the VE.A.
Where's the best place to get ALPS switches and keysets?
E3E's garage, apparently.
^^^^
I like this guy.
On a separate discussion, if people do get this, what switches are they planning to get,
I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not to get ALPS because of what seems like a limited number of keysets.
It's hard enough finding keysets for my Topre's, just praying sliders become available soon at Ctrl Alt.
I am definitely more inclined toward Alps these days, but I just scored 120 vintage MX whites (the sort with the translucent stems) and I really wanted to have that as my last foray into Cherry MX. So, if I keep the Octagon v2 order I have, then I'll put them in that.
I think I'd really like to use blue Alps for the VE.A.
Where's the best place to get ALPS switches and keysets?
E3E's garage, apparently.
Where's the best place to get ALPS switches and keysets?
E3E's garage, apparently.
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.
So, how do you think guys?
@zefyr Have you used tactile brown alps from the IBM 5140? I seem to like them, but I've never typed on a functional keyboard with them.
Granted, when you're young you don't care about ergonomics, because the body is more flexible. It has only been in the last year that I started feeling pain in my right wrist from bending my hand (I do up to 10 hours of programming each day). But we should strive to redefine the keyboard standards to avoid the risk in advance.
@zefyr Have you used tactile brown alps from the IBM 5140? I seem to like them, but I've never typed on a functional keyboard with them.
Yes I have. I have couple of them. (just board parts, I throw rest of them away since it's broken anyway.)
I felt incredible at first, it's like the keycap is attached with fingertips. And at tactile point, not my muscle is moving the switch - the switch is moving my finger. man I hate I cannot express more than this.
But I said "at first".
It's pressure was too high. So I swapped the spring with the one from AEK II, suddenly feeling was gone.
So, I just use it as typing joy thing. it's not assembled, I just type. and smile. that's all :)
@zefyr Have you used tactile brown alps from the IBM 5140? I seem to like them, but I've never typed on a functional keyboard with them.
Yes I have. I have couple of them. (just board parts, I throw rest of them away since it's broken anyway.)
I felt incredible at first, it's like the keycap is attached with fingertips. And at tactile point, not my muscle is moving the switch - the switch is moving my finger. man I hate I cannot express more than this.
But I said "at first".
It's pressure was too high. So I swapped the spring with the one from AEK II, suddenly feeling was gone.
So, I just use it as typing joy thing. it's not assembled, I just type. and smile. that's all :)
I know what you mean. I type on mine for fun sometimes too :)
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:-* you were hiding this beauty from us at GH
List just hit 15th
And it must have some amber alps so it match the board :pShow Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/525/438/003/c198aa51a577d8980f94a7dfd4ef18bd.jpg)
:-* you were hiding this beauty from us at GH
That thing reminds me of the golden bomber from Bomberman.
Lol, jeez. Even the key caps are beige yellow to match. That's an enthralling board! I bet it has unicorns inside of it.
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:-* you were hiding this beauty from us at GH
Show Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/525/438/003/c198aa51a577d8980f94a7dfd4ef18bd.jpg)
:-* you were hiding this beauty from us at GH
Hey Vermillion, I know you noted that you wanted to use "plain" colors for the imminent run... (silver, black, dark grey)
But is there any other color that you can throw our way without upsetting the early adopters of your previous versions?
I can see reasoning behind not offering gold & green again to maintain that exclusivity that they desire--but how about
1 other color thats out of the box this run? :p They would maintain their special colors that wont be repeated (along w/ their nameplates) and we'll get a single choice that deviates from "plain"
please consider ! :))
Hey Vermillion, I know you noted that you wanted to use "plain" colors for the imminent run... (silver, black, dark grey)
But is there any other color that you can throw our way without upsetting the early adopters of your previous versions?
I can see reasoning behind not offering gold & green again to maintain that exclusivity that they desire--but how about
1 other color thats out of the box this run? :p They would maintain their special colors that wont be repeated (along w/ their nameplates) and we'll get a single choice that deviates from "plain"
please consider ! :))
I got several request about adding another color option.
As you see, I already added dark gray, it wasn't an option of first batch.
At first I won't add any color besides black/silver. I thought that's a gesture for the friends who was brave enough to join "risky" GB.
I announced that I'll not add any significant color, and personalized name plate.
I'll keep my words, this stand will be applied for everybody who joining my GB.
Only this way, I can be honest designer, man of word.
I'm sure you can understand me :)
Hey Vermillion, I know you noted that you wanted to use "plain" colors for the imminent run... (silver, black, dark grey)
But is there any other color that you can throw our way without upsetting the early adopters of your previous versions?
I can see reasoning behind not offering gold & green again to maintain that exclusivity that they desire--but how about
1 other color thats out of the box this run? :p They would maintain their special colors that wont be repeated (along w/ their nameplates) and we'll get a single choice that deviates from "plain"
please consider ! :))
I got several request about adding another color option.
As you see, I already added dark gray, it wasn't an option of first batch.
At first I won't add any color besides black/silver. I thought that's a gesture for the friends who was brave enough to join "risky" GB.
I announced that I'll not add any significant color, and personalized name plate.
I'll keep my words, this stand will be applied for everybody who joining my GB.
Only this way, I can be honest designer, man of word.
I'm sure you can understand me :)
Hey Vermillion, I know you noted that you wanted to use "plain" colors for the imminent run... (silver, black, dark grey)
But is there any other color that you can throw our way without upsetting the early adopters of your previous versions?
I can see reasoning behind not offering gold & green again to maintain that exclusivity that they desire--but how about
1 other color thats out of the box this run? :p They would maintain their special colors that wont be repeated (along w/ their nameplates) and we'll get a single choice that deviates from "plain"
please consider ! :))
I got several request about adding another color option.
As you see, I already added dark gray, it wasn't an option of first batch.
At first I won't add any color besides black/silver. I thought that's a gesture for the friends who was brave enough to join "risky" GB.
I announced that I'll not add any significant color, and personalized name plate.
I'll keep my words, this stand will be applied for everybody who joining my GB.
Only this way, I can be honest designer, man of word.
I'm sure you can understand me :)
So could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
So could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
Simple solution. Just never disconnect the sata cables from the keyboard.
So could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
So could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
Simple solution. Just never disconnect the sata cables from the keyboard.
So could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
That's actually a valid point.
SATA cables aren't designed to handle a very high number of plugs.
A little worrying to say the least.
So could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
That's actually a valid point.
SATA cables aren't designed to handle a very high number of plugs.
A little worrying to say the least.
As long as it works with eSATA there shouldn't be any problems since they're rated for like 5000 vs. SATA's 50
ShiiiiiitSo could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
That's actually a valid point.
SATA cables aren't designed to handle a very high number of plugs.
A little worrying to say the least.
As long as it works with eSATA there shouldn't be any problems since they're rated for like 5000 vs. SATA's 50
Not compatible. eSATA is a "symmetrical" plug, SATA has a guide notch.
So could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
Lol who said anything about another round?So could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
Vermillion, would it be possible to switch eSATA for the next round? :)
If i get in on this, I need to find out where i can get a curled SATA cable like the pics. Looks amazing.
If i get in on this, I need to find out where i can get a curled SATA cable like the pics. Looks amazing.
May have just coiled his own, I've never seen a coiled SATA
If i get in on this, I need to find out where i can get a curled SATA cable like the pics. Looks amazing.May have just coiled his own, I've never seen a coiled SATA
You need a pencil, and blowdryer.
Make coil using pencil as core, blowdry a munite, hold tight until gets cold. now you have a nice colied cable.
What could be an interesting solution would be to use eSATA ports on the PCBs instead of SATA. But if that's not a problem for most people it might just not be worth the extra work.
What could be an interesting solution would be to use eSATA ports on the PCBs instead of SATA. But if that's not a problem for most people it might just not be worth the extra work.
I'll be honest in that I'd probably use this as my work board, so it would see a ton of connects/disconnects, but I'd gladly take the chance with sata if it means less work for vermillion. I'm sure they won't be terribly hard to repair worst case.
ShiiiiiitSo could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
That's actually a valid point.
SATA cables aren't designed to handle a very high number of plugs.
A little worrying to say the least.
As long as it works with eSATA there shouldn't be any problems since they're rated for like 5000 vs. SATA's 50
Not compatible. eSATA is a "symmetrical" plug, SATA has a guide notch.
ShiiiiiitSo could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
That's actually a valid point.
SATA cables aren't designed to handle a very high number of plugs.
A little worrying to say the least.
As long as it works with eSATA there shouldn't be any problems since they're rated for like 5000 vs. SATA's 50
Not compatible. eSATA is a "symmetrical" plug, SATA has a guide notch.
I sense you guys miss something :)
You all know I don't send SATA data via that cable. number of pin matters. and there's some more conditions.
I searched for a long time for the "right" cable for VE series.
At first, I made custom cable with common plugs like molex.
I must say it's not a job for human-being.
So, I looked around cable markets... like 3 months, to find something meets following condition.
- easy to get.
- short, down to 1ft to 1.5ft (and can be long to 3ft)
- at least 5 pins
- cheap
- small connector size for sleek housing design yet can solder-able by hand.
- use same plug on both end.
that I found SATA. It was a long~~~ journey guys. I searched 700000 parts DB and looked almost 30000 parts. to be honest guys... I don't want to go there again...
What could be an interesting solution would be to use eSATA ports on the PCBs instead of SATA. But if that's not a problem for most people it might just not be worth the extra work.
I'll be honest in that I'd probably use this as my work board, so it would see a ton of connects/disconnects, but I'd gladly take the chance with sata if it means less work for vermillion. I'm sure they won't be terribly hard to repair worst case.
Luckily SATA cables are pretty cheap so it wouldn't be some huge investment to replace them every once-and-a-while. Just some food for thought though
What could be an interesting solution would be to use eSATA ports on the PCBs instead of SATA. But if that's not a problem for most people it might just not be worth the extra work.
I'll be honest in that I'd probably use this as my work board, so it would see a ton of connects/disconnects, but I'd gladly take the chance with sata if it means less work for vermillion. I'm sure they won't be terribly hard to repair worst case.
Luckily SATA cables are pretty cheap so it wouldn't be some huge investment to replace them every once-and-a-while. Just some food for thought though
Is it the cable that has a limited number of re-plugs, or the connector on the keyboard? Or both?
If it's just the cable, I'm not too fussed since they are cheap. But if I have to re-solder the connector on the PCB that might be annoying.
What could be an interesting solution would be to use eSATA ports on the PCBs instead of SATA. But if that's not a problem for most people it might just not be worth the extra work.
I'll be honest in that I'd probably use this as my work board, so it would see a ton of connects/disconnects, but I'd gladly take the chance with sata if it means less work for vermillion. I'm sure they won't be terribly hard to repair worst case.
Luckily SATA cables are pretty cheap so it wouldn't be some huge investment to replace them every once-and-a-while. Just some food for thought though
Is it the cable that has a limited number of re-plugs, or the connector on the keyboard? Or both?
If it's just the cable, I'm not too fussed since they are cheap. But if I have to re-solder the connector on the PCB that might be annoying.
It's just the cable. And yeah, they're definitely cheap, it's just nice not to have another thing to think about ya know? But if it's as much a pain as Zefyr says, it's really not worth switching anyway
ShiiiiiitSo could we use eSATA cables with this? I would just be afraid of breaking a regular SATA connector.
That's actually a valid point.
SATA cables aren't designed to handle a very high number of plugs.
A little worrying to say the least.
As long as it works with eSATA there shouldn't be any problems since they're rated for like 5000 vs. SATA's 50
Not compatible. eSATA is a "symmetrical" plug, SATA has a guide notch.
I sense you guys miss something :)
You all know I don't send SATA data via that cable. number of pin matters. and there's some more conditions.
I searched for a long time for the "right" cable for VE series.
At first, I made custom cable with common plugs like molex.
I must say it's not a job for human-being.
So, I looked around cable markets... like 3 months, to find something meets following condition.
- easy to get.
- short, down to 1ft to 1.5ft (and can be long to 3ft)
- at least 5 pins
- cheap
- small connector size for sleek housing design yet can solder-able by hand.
- use same plug on both end.
that I found SATA. It was a long~~~ journey guys. I searched 700000 parts DB and looked almost 30000 parts. to be honest guys... I don't want to go there again...
Ah, that does seem like a big chore. But actually an eSATA connector is almost exactly the same, it just doesn't have the same "L" shape on the inside, it's flat. Then again I'm not sure if it would be easy to make the switch, so I won't push this further :thumb:Show Image(https://itsolutionpoint.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/esata.jpg)
It's just the cable. And yeah, they're definitely cheap, it's just nice not to have another thing to think about ya know? But if it's as much a pain as Zefyr says, it's really not worth switching anyway
Oh definitely, agreed that it's worth discussing and thinking about; even minor issues should be rectified if easy enough. :thumb: Just saying it won't stop me from buying, by any means. :thumb:
VE.A uses shrouded(improved durability) connector on PCB side.
which I didn't with Vergo type.T, it was open connector. but no broken connector reported yet.
How hard will it be to get used to ergodox-esq layouts?
How hard will it be to get used to ergodox-esq layouts?
(more like freestyle-esq thing in layout way.)
It depends,
in my case, 2 weeks? that 2 weeks changed my typing life forever.
How hard will it be to get used to ergodox-esq layouts?
(more like freestyle-esq thing in layout way.)
It depends,
in my case, 2 weeks? that 2 weeks changed my typing life forever.
That sounds really fast. At the moment my left hand types the YHN column a bit more than my right hand, so it will be interesting to say the least.
Step 1 though is a spot in the GB considering my luck with raffles xD
How hard will it be to get used to ergodox-esq layouts?
The shift key on the bottom is space, right? Not the 0 key? Because that 0 would hurt me greatly
I think I may have phrased that wrong but thanks for your answer as it did answer my question. :)The shift key on the bottom is space, right? Not the 0 key? Because that 0 would hurt me greatly
I don't think it makes any sense for that key to be a zero key in the firmware, lol. Though it will be programmable, so you can hurt yourself all you want if you'd like.
It's just a key that happens to fit the board iircI think I may have phrased that wrong but thanks for your answer as it did answer my question. :)The shift key on the bottom is space, right? Not the 0 key? Because that 0 would hurt me greatly
I don't think it makes any sense for that key to be a zero key in the firmware, lol. Though it will be programmable, so you can hurt yourself all you want if you'd like.
Which I love but I may need to make it zero...It's just a key that happens to fit the board iircI think I may have phrased that wrong but thanks for your answer as it did answer my question. :)The shift key on the bottom is space, right? Not the 0 key? Because that 0 would hurt me greatly
I don't think it makes any sense for that key to be a zero key in the firmware, lol. Though it will be programmable, so you can hurt yourself all you want if you'd like.
Some of you may say.. Buhh Hey, Tp, Keycap compatibility is very important to me, I have spent so much money on keycaps..
Yes, Fine, but that COMPROMISE puts this keyboard strictly into the realm of mediocrity as an Ergonomic board..
That is to say, The keycap investment from the beginning was a major mistake.. BY PRESERVING IT, you've legacy-ed that mistake..
Some of you may say.. Buhh Hey, Tp, Keycap compatibility is very important to me, I have spent so much money on keycaps..
Yes, Fine, but that COMPROMISE puts this keyboard strictly into the realm of mediocrity as an Ergonomic board..
That is to say, The keycap investment from the beginning was a major mistake.. BY PRESERVING IT, you've legacy-ed that mistake..
What if I just think it looks cool?
I feel like I have to explain things.
(Man... this is hard...)
Most of all, there is no acrylic laser cut part in VE.A. (Why somebody thinks there's one? I have no idea.)
And I didn't get a major nor masters degree about ergonomics technology. I'm just a custom keyboard hobbyist.
So, this is what I can do and where I was going for.
Yes I have to admit what I designed is not "true ergonomic keyboard".
but I feel comfortable with this form and I think that's a factor being ergonomic.
Thanks your highly visioned opinion about my work and your thoughtful, warm words.
I feel like I have to explain things.
(Man... this is hard...)
Most of all, there is no acrylic laser cut part in VE.A. (Why somebody thinks there's one? I have no idea.)
And I didn't get a major nor masters degree about ergonomics technology. I'm just a custom keyboard hobbyist.
So, this is what I can do and where I was going for.
Yes I have to admit what I designed is not "true ergonomic keyboard".
but I feel comfortable with this form and I think that's a factor being ergonomic.
Thanks your highly visioned opinion about my work and your thoughtful, warm words.
I wouldn't worry too much about ergonomics. We can get lost down a rabbit hole trying to chase ergonomics and that's not really the core point of VE.A, at least as far as I understand it.
Hand separation and horizontal (flat) tilt are just two of many factors for ergonomics, but they're significant factors that could contribute heavily to the user's typing experience. Each user is different -- that's ergonomics in a nutshell. So while VE.A doesn't go out of its way to embrace every crazy, obscure facet of keyboard ergonomics, it's certainly better than your typical one-piece keyboard. And it might be a stepping stone for some people to explore further ergo-keyboard options down the road.
I guess what I'm saying is: you did great. :P
I feel like I have to explain things.
(Man... this is hard...)
Most of all, there is no acrylic laser cut part in VE.A. (Why somebody thinks there's one? I have no idea.)
And I didn't get a major nor masters degree about ergonomics technology. I'm just a custom keyboard hobbyist.
So, this is what I can do and where I was going for.
Yes I have to admit what I designed is not "true ergonomic keyboard".
but I feel comfortable with this form and I think that's a factor being ergonomic.
Thanks your highly visioned opinion about my work and your thoughtful, warm words.
I feel like I have to explain things.
(Man... this is hard...)
Most of all, there is no acrylic laser cut part in VE.A. (Why somebody thinks there's one? I have no idea.)
And I didn't get a major nor masters degree about ergonomics technology. I'm just a custom keyboard hobbyist.
So, this is what I can do and where I was going for.
Yes I have to admit what I designed is not "true ergonomic keyboard".
but I feel comfortable with this form and I think that's a factor being ergonomic.
Thanks your highly visioned opinion about my work and your thoughtful, warm words.
Hello. Zeyfr, I apologize if I've mistaken the construction of ur keyboard..
I was only looking at the fotos on massdrop.. Particular this one below..
It looks like laser cut marks, I've never seen such an uneven finish from a CNC cut part before.
(Attachment Link)
As for the Ergonomic aspect..
I suppose the Tilting can be rectified by building in some way for the users to Increase and alter the MULTI-Axis Tilt angle of the keyboard more easily
The Ergodox has many m3 size screw holes in the RIGHT PLACES by coincidence..
Perhaps punching a few extra holes in your stand will rectify this short coming.'
As for the layout.. sigh.... well, it is what it is.... I can only describe it as throwing good money after bad, If you are unfamiliar with this term, here is the explanation..
(http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/throw+good+money+after+bad)
People buy into a platform, ansi keycaps, which is Not an ergonomic layout by any means and they feel compelled to continue ... because leaving Ansi, would mean dropping a large previous investment..
But as a prospective ERGONOMICS entrant, Ask yourself,
WHY are you getting an ergonomic keyboard.. ??
WHAT is important about an ergonomics keyboard.. ??
This is not a rabbit hole, there are some long Tested design philosophies..
A keyboard that knows many tricks, but is master of none....
This is not a rabbit hole, there are some long Tested design philosophies..