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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:19:46 »
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Are the ANSI winless kits with blue switches available?

Yes, you can just put together a kit.

PHANTOM 1
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send this to PHANTOM here on GH and that should do it.

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« Reply #101 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:20:19 »
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I am interested in this project but would definitely need a case. How is that coming along and what are we looking at as  the prospective case?

No.  No case is lined up.  For status update, read 4th post in this thread.

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« Reply #102 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:22:55 »
Another piece of news, WASD Keyboard will be getting stabilizer kits.  Not sure of how many he would get though.

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« Reply #103 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:23:10 »
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No.  No case is lined up.  For status update, read 4th post in this thread.
is one still being looked into?

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« Reply #104 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:26:11 »
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is one still being looked into?

We are looking into a couple of leads.  But I don't have high hope that they will pan out.  What I do want is a transparent acrylic case so I can see the beauty of the PCB while it sits on my desk.  Anyone know how to mold acrylic?

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« Reply #105 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:28:16 »
The other thing that could be looked into is a metal case like the the ones used for the DOX build, that may get on the expensive side though.

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« Reply #106 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:32:44 »
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We are looking into a couple of leads.  But I don't have high hope that they will pan out.  What I do want is a transparent acrylic case so I can see the beauty of the PCB while it sits on my desk.  Anyone know how to mold acrylic?
That would be pretty awesome, with all these metal cases out there as it is

Something like this http://tinyurl.com/3csrb86setup cost for the mold could be pretty expensive though
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« Reply #107 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:56:37 »
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What I do want is a transparent acrylic case so I can see the beauty of the PCB while it sits on my desk.  Anyone know how to mold acrylic?
There are Asian guys who have made custom keyboard cases with a sandwich of acrylic sheets, screwed together. I think that pictures have been posted on this board, but if they have, I can't find them unfortunately ... I want to see them again too.
Acrylic is used a lot for store displays, etc. and there should be lots of companies that could cut the pieces for you to assemble. You could also order custom laser cut acrylic from http://www.ponoko.com.
To get smooth clear edges, acrylic needs to be cut either with a laser, or with a special blade and then polished.

Other types of plastics are used for making transparent casts. Polystyrene is the nicest, but requires injection molding machines. Epoxy, polyester and clear urethane can be cast at home, but getting a good result is tricky. You need a pressure pot and compressor to get the bubbles out, and you may need to make the "master" larger to account for shrinkage of the materials (both casting resin and molding silicone). It might not be worth it.

But ... wouldn't the PCB be concealed by the plate, anyway?
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« Reply #108 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 14:00:28 »
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We are looking into a couple of leads.  But I don't have high hope that they will pan out.  What I do want is a transparent acrylic case so I can see the beauty of the PCB while it sits on my desk.  Anyone know how to mold acrylic?


You don't mold it, you cut it and then screw or glue together!
At least in Korea (where else).
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« Reply #109 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 14:05:01 »
From that site you provided (they have some pretty awesome stuff)

But I don't think that have that part up and running yet
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Upload your PCB designs, verify measurements and your faceplate design is displayed instantly. Customize size, material and color; personalize it with engraved text; then hit 'Make it'– all in your browser. Your custom faceplate will be made and shipped direct to you.

On the other hand http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/index.html looks really promising though, they have both aluminum and acrylic, don't have time atm to download the program to play with, gonna have to wait till later this week.
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« Reply #110 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 14:59:57 »
Thanks for the pointers guys.  If anyone could help to contribute a case design for the Phantom project with these shops or other shops, please PM me.  Thanks.

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« Reply #111 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 19:50:52 »
As for the case, if someone has a measurements and a design, my buddy has a CNC machine that is sitting idle. I can see how much for materials and operating costs. If someone just has the measurements, we can put together a design. He has AutoCAD.

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« Reply #112 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 20:06:24 »
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As for the case, if someone has a measurements and a design, my buddy has a CNC machine that is sitting idle. I can see how much for materials and operating costs. If someone just has the measurements, we can put together a design. He has AutoCAD.

This belongs to TheSoulhunter, it was done a little while back, I do not have a Filco on hand to confirm how accurate this is, would someone be able to do this?

http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/Filco_Board_v.02.pdf
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« Reply #113 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 20:10:29 »
sent my order :D

no longer will we lust after the korean's being able to use full cherry corp doubleshots!



and hopefully their awesome cases too
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« Reply #114 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 20:38:21 »
So who is programming the Amtel? Does the code exist yet? Are you planning to use C/C++ or Arduino Sketches?

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« Reply #115 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 20:46:00 »
I looks close. I measured a few with a cheap ruler. There aren't any point of reference for the mounting.

We should work off the measurements on the PCB to be sure. Are those available?

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« Reply #116 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 21:46:10 »
Sent my order a few hours ago. Can I get confirmation that it went through?

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« Reply #117 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 21:50:32 »
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I looks close. I measured a few with a cheap ruler. There aren't any point of reference for the mounting.

We should work off the measurements on the PCB to be sure. Are those available?
Gonna have to ask PrinsValium for those, he's in charge of the PCB and plate design
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« Reply #118 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 21:51:56 »
Glad to see you all jumping in to help.  The EU folks should be waking up in 4 to 5 hours to answer some of the questions :-)

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« Reply #119 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 21:54:57 »
Oi, why nobody want keycaps?!!
I like my Browns more than my Blues.

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« Reply #120 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 22:03:37 »
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Glad to see you all jumping in to help.  The EU folks should be waking up in 4 to 5 hours to answer some of the questions :-)
We want this keyboard to look awesome, we now know we can use all those awesome cherry keycaps just have to make sure the casing is perfect ;)
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« Reply #121 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 04:33:27 »
Code: [Select]

PHANTOM.........23<------ PCB
PHANSICLEARKIT...1<------ complete kit
TEENSY..........15<------ controller
PH7BIT...........7<------ mount plate
PHANSI..........12<------ mount plate
PHANSIWIN........6<------ mount plate
PHISOWIN.........1<------ mount plate
DIODE..........490
MXBLACK........473
MXBLUE..........93
MXBROWN........153
MXCLEAR........398
MXDARKBLUE.......3
MXGREEN..........9
MXGREY...........3
MXRED..........195
STAB200..........6
STAB700..........3
CASE.............4
PHANTOMFUN.......1<------ function key with Phantom logo on it
SOLDERING........3<------ soldering service
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« Reply #122 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 12:25:21 »
I just realized that I forgot to include my email address in my order message.

It's:
razgriz.35@gmail.com

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« Reply #123 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 12:30:34 »
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I just realized that I forgot to include my email address in my order message.

It's:
razgriz.35@gmail.com (razgriz.35@gmail.com)



Did you submit your order by sending a PM to PHANTOM?

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23572-Phantom-Custom-Keyboard-Group-Buy-(Order-Only)&p=443853&viewfull=1#post443853

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« Reply #124 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 12:36:07 »
Yes, I did. I'll just copy and paste the order message here so you can match it up with mine.

---Quote (Originally by NumberJ)---
TEENSY               1
PHANTOM            1
PHANSI               1
MXGREEN            1
DIODE                 90
STAB200             4
STAB700             1
PHANTOMFUN      1
---End Quote---

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« Reply #125 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 13:28:07 »
Cool.  Thank you.

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« Reply #126 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 14:59:09 »
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Very cool!  Thanks for the help.  Want to get a temperature from group buyers how many of you would want this custom Phantom key to go with your custom Phantom keyboard (2 1x keys per keyboard)?


Looking at the PCB, I sense a very good chance it'll work with the CMstorm. I'll post pictures when I figure out how to get them off my phone. Also, if it looks close, I'll take it apart again and measure it.

As a result, my interest in this as high. :p

Also, Forget buying a filco for the case, I'm going to carve up some PMMA and bolt that together :p

Or weld feet onto the plate for a super-minimalist look.

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« Reply #127 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 16:08:19 »
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Also, Forget buying a filco for the case, I'm going to carve up some PMMA and bolt that together :p

How soon will you have a mock-up done with PMMA?  We could include it in the Phantom group buy if you don't mind sharing your design.

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« Reply #128 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 17:03:58 »
Hi guys, I'm really glad that you took this project and continued it.
Here is the original SVG if you want to make a key out of it. PrinsValium said you may be interested in it.



Now excuse me, I have to order me some Phantom :o
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« Reply #129 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 17:06:27 »
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Hi guys, I'm really glad that you took this project and continued it.
Here is the original SVG if you want to make a key out of it. PrinsValium said you may be interested in it.



Now excuse me, I have to order me some Phantom :o

I beat you to it :O

[ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] 31103[/ATTACH]

We are already trying to make keys out of it but interest is a little low; I have to go back and restructure the kits to be two separate modifier sets. Sent in the design approvals on Friday as well and am waiting to hear back from Melissa to see if they are doubleshotable.
I like my Browns more than my Blues.

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« Reply #130 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 17:26:45 »
HaveANiceDay!  You are back!  Hope everything is going well with you.  I hope we are doing your vision justice!

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« Reply #131 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 17:45:43 »
All's cool man, I have to stay away from this place because it's too much fun and I don't have time for that.
I could not be happier how all this is going forward, thanks again to all the people involved.

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Good job, sorry you had to do it while the file just sat on my HDD :)
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« Reply #132 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 18:14:22 »
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Good job, sorry you had to do it while the file just sat on my HDD :)

It was a good learning experience. I had never made an SVG let alone extracted it from a larger image.
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« Reply #133 on: Sun, 06 November 2011, 19:24:30 »
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How soon will you have a mock-up done with PMMA?  We could include it in the Phantom group buy if you don't mind sharing your design.
Probably 6 months. I'm really too busy.

But it's in the back of my mind, I'm thinking about how I'm going to design/build it.

Also, I'll probably cheap out, and file it out by hand.

Another thing I thought of (inspired by DOX) was to have a longer plate, just bent at the front and back, and again, to make little "feet" that way you can see the PCB on the side. It'd be a really lightweight and minimalistic keyboard (with the tops of the keyswitches showing) It'd be super easy to clean as well.

Just a thought.

Also, I reviewed the Shots I have of the CMstorm, and they look exactly perfect, except reversed :p Like I said, I'll measure it to make sure, though. If it add's up, I'll order yay!

It's clearly the best time to try clears. I was going to have to get a leopold, but now I will have something better!

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« Reply #134 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 02:53:17 »
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All's cool man, I have to stay away from this place because it's too much fun and I don't have time for that.
I could not be happier how all this is going forward, thanks again to all the people involved.

@RColinTaylor
Good job, sorry you had to do it while the file just sat on my HDD :)


Great to see you are back and thanks for starting this!

Here is the latest update:
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PHANTOM.........30
PHANSICLEARKIT...1
TEENSY..........21
PH7BIT...........7
PHANSI..........17
PHANSIWIN........6
PHISO............1
PHISOWIN.........2
DIODE..........790
MXBLACK........473
MXBLUE..........93
MXBROWN........153
MXCLEAR........398
MXDARKBLUE.......3
MXGREEN.........12
MXGREY...........6
MXRED..........295
STAB200.........14
STAB700..........5
CASE.............6
PHANTOMFUN.......1
SOLDERING........4
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« Reply #135 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 05:55:00 »
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Great to see you are back and thanks for starting this!

Here is the latest update:

Is there going to be a deadline to motivate people like me?

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« Reply #136 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 10:02:31 »
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Is there going to be a deadline to motivate people like me?

I want to close this soonish.  We had a final visual check with all the designs on computer.  Next step is to validate with an actual prototype.  Once that is done, we will close, collect money, and order parts.

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« Reply #137 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 10:30:33 »
Are we suppose to get an email once we put in our order?
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« Reply #138 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 10:35:51 »
Yes, except we don't have email address for a few of you, demik included.  I am about to send  PM to those people to ask for their address.

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« Reply #139 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 10:38:47 »
Really? I know I put it in the message to phanthom. Want me to resend my order or do you just need my email ? I ordered some blue switches and diodes also along with pcb, teensy, ANSI15 plate.
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« Reply #140 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 10:50:39 »
yes, please send a PM to PHANTOM with your email address.  Thanks.

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« Reply #141 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 12:02:42 »
Here is the latest statistic:
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PHANTOM.........31
PHANSICLEARKIT...1
TEENSY..........22
PH7BIT...........7
PHANSI..........18
PHANSIWIN........6
PHISO............1
PHISOWIN.........2
DIODE..........790
MXBLACK........473
MXBLUE..........93
MXBROWN........153
MXCLEAR........398
MXDARKBLUE.......3
MXGREEN.........12
MXGREY...........6
MXRED..........295
STAB200.........18
STAB700..........6
CASE.............6
PHANTOMFUN.......1
SOLDERING........4
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« Reply #142 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 19:59:22 »
Where are we getting the cherry darkblue from? Is there any other information on it other than sixty's one post and that one picture?

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« Reply #143 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 20:03:16 »
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Where are we getting the cherry darkblue from? Is there any other information on it other than sixty's one post and that one picture?

More discussion here:  http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1411&start=121

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« Reply #144 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 20:07:12 »
Okay, thanks litster.

I think they're probably the "similar to normal MX blue" as opposed to the "20-year-old" style.

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« Reply #145 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 20:08:07 »
no click and more like clears?

no thanks! i like my blues clicky
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« Reply #146 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 20:16:29 »
Which stabilizers do I need? Can someone with more knowledge shed some light on this?

Mainly only the spacebar needs it right? or do other keys like shift, enter, backspace needs it too?
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« Reply #147 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 20:22:47 »
You would need stabilizers for all the wide keys: Back Space, Enter, Left Shift, Right Shift, and spacebar.  If you want to use 1.5x modifiers from Cherry, you would need a 7x wide spacebar and stabilizer.  If you want to use 1.25x modifiers like Filco's configuration, you would need a 6.25x spacebar and stabilizer.  Hum, someone please dobule-check that I am correct with the statements above...  :-)

Right now we don't have a source to order costar stabilizers.  plate-mount Cherry stabilizers are available from Mouser.

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« Reply #148 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 20:26:27 »
I plan to use 1.5x modifiers from cherry so I need 7x wide stabilizer for the spacebar how about the other 4 keys all 1.5x stabilizers?

Does that sound right?

What are costar stabilizers?
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« Reply #149 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 21:38:24 »
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What are costar stabilizers?
They are the wire ones that are in Filco, WASD, CMstorm, etc.

Like this:
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-parts-1.html