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« Reply #350 on: Sat, 19 November 2011, 19:34:47 »
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Since I am not very familiar with Cherry stabilizers what  is the difference between these stabilizers?
The number indicates the size of the key that the stabilizer is intended for, in hundredths of a ‘key unit’, the size of a normal letter key. So a STAB200 is suitable for a double-width key like backspace; the larger ones are for various sizes of space bar.

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« Reply #351 on: Sat, 19 November 2011, 20:01:18 »
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The number indicates the size of the key that the stabilizer is intended for, in hundredths of a ‘key unit’, the size of a normal letter key. So a STAB200 is suitable for a double-width key like backspace; the larger ones are for various sizes of space bar.

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« Reply #352 on: Sun, 20 November 2011, 22:32:40 »
Hi, are you ok if i order only switches? I didn't find a good place to order them and i really want to change my blue for red on my majestouch 1. I think that you sell mounting plate switches so it will fit my majestouch 1 but i am not sure about one thing. You sell switches with diode unlike the one on my filco? Do you know if it will fit or not?

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« Reply #353 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 02:02:25 »
It is okay if you just want to order switches.  We are still waiting for a quote from our Germany source.  There is another source in China that we could use.  At this time it is unclear if we can secure all the switches we need for this project.  So it may be a while before we will order switches.  If you are just replacing blues with reds, you don't need diodes.  But you will need to desolder all your blue switches and replace them with red switches, or replace just the stem and springs from red switches.  Since you already have blues, which has the lighter spring like red and brown, and black stems is the same as red stems except the color, you could also get black switches to get black stems and replace your blue switches' blue stems with black stems.  That will get you ghetto red.

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« Reply #354 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 03:33:34 »
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So it may be a while before we will order switches.  If you are just replacing blues with reds, you don't know diodes.  But you will need to desolder all your blue switches and replace them with red switches, or replace just the stem and springs from red switches.  Since you already have blues, which has the lighter spring like red and brown, and black stems is the same as red stems except the color, you could also get black switches to get black stems and replace your blue switches' blue stems with black stems.  That will get you ghetto red.
Given this, we should just be able to order from mouser/digikey in a pinch; they carry clear/brown/blue/black right?

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« Reply #355 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 11:53:38 »
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Given this, we should just be able to order from mouser/digikey in a pinch; they carry clear/brown/blue/black right?
there is also online components.

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« Reply #356 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 12:31:51 »
Would group buyers be willing to source their own switches and stabilizers, if we don't include them in the group buy?  We should be able to get plates and PCBs shipped out faster than switches, I believe.  But I can double check.

EDIT: maybe we will just separate the plate and PCBs with switches.  We can ask for separate payments, first for PCBs and plates, and then again for switches and stabilizers.
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« Reply #357 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 12:34:23 »
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Would group buyers be willing to source their own switches and stabilizers, if we don't include them in the group buy?  We should be able to get plates and PCBs shipped out faster than switches, I believe.  But I can double check.
I wouldnt mind sourcing everything but the pcb and plate it it gets this going faster. Also if we could find a design for a case that might be good to include as well or we can do a separate group buy.

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« Reply #358 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 12:35:50 »
maybe we will just separate the plate and PCBs with switches. We can ask for separate payments, first for PCBs and plates, and then again for switches and stabilizers.  That should cover both.

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« Reply #359 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 12:39:59 »
A quick update.  Test plates have been ordered last week.  They should be done this week.  But this week is only a 3-day work week due to the US Thanksgiving holidays.  BiNiaRiS will may an PHANSI plate to me and I will put switches and keycaps on the plate to verify the plate.  PCB design will be finalized after that and then we can order a couple of test PCBs for one more round of verification.  If everything goes well, we can then collect payments for PCBs and plates.

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« Reply #360 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 15:42:15 »
I would really like the switches to be part of some organized buy. Makes things much easier.
Putting them in separate buys is fine.

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« Reply #361 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 20:47:16 »
I would rather have the PCB and Plates shipped together, considering how much international shipping goes for.

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« Reply #362 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 20:49:02 »
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I would rather have the PCB and Plates shipped together, considering how much international shipping goes for.
I think that was the intent as those are the only really custom things.

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« Reply #363 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 21:18:38 »
On the 7bit layout would it be possible to use all 1.25 width keys on the bottom row? I know that there might be a little extra space in between the 4th key from either side and the other keys. I this is possible could someone please so a layout mockup of this me me I would really appreciate it.

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« Reply #364 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 21:22:36 »
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I would rather have the PCB and Plates shipped together, considering how much international shipping goes for.

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I think that was the intent as those are the only really custom things.

Yes, PCBs and plates will be shipped together.

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« Reply #365 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 22:07:14 »
Something like this should work the Extra space between keys isnt ideal but it will allow me to get custom legends through WASD Keyboards.


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« Reply #366 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 22:43:16 »
So I've finally gotten around to parsing through the OP and figuring out how all this works and what I need to buy.  Is there a plan for getting a case for the 7bit layout?

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« Reply #367 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 22:53:56 »
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there is also online components.

Yeah, They even carry the awesome expensive one that steps for capslock, etc.

What I meant by "mouser/digikey" is that we can order from a normal parts dealer if need be (except for reds)

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« Reply #368 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 23:15:35 »
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So I've finally gotten around to parsing through the OP and figuring out how all this works and what I need to buy.  Is there a plan for getting a case for the 7bit layout?

Take a Filco case and cut away the part for the extra righthanded keys.
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« Reply #369 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 23:16:33 »
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So I've finally gotten around to parsing through the OP and figuring out how all this works and what I need to buy.  Is there a plan for getting a case for the 7bit layout?

Currently there is no case for any layout.  :(  The original idea from HaveANiceDay was to design a plate and a PCB that is programmable and you can use old Cherry double shot keycaps including those 1.5x Cherry double shot Alt and Ctrl keycaps.  You would reuse your switches, stabilizers, and case from your filco tenkeyless keyboard.  The project's scope has grown wider since then.  :)

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« Reply #370 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 23:32:11 »
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Currently there is no case for any layout.  :(  The original idea from HaveANiceDay was to design a plate and a PCB that is programmable and you can use old Cherry double shot keycaps including those 1.5x Cherry double shot Alt and Ctrl keycaps.  You would reuse your switches, stabilizers, and case from your filco tenkeyless keyboard.  The project's scope has grown wider since then.  :)

The PCB is universal, but each layout combo (ISO/ANSI and 1.25x/1.5x mods) requires a different plate, right?

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« Reply #371 on: Mon, 21 November 2011, 23:32:58 »
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The PCB is universal, but each layout combo (ISO/ANSI and 1.25x/1.5x mods) requires a different plate, right?

That's correct.

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« Reply #372 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 07:16:15 »
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Yeah, They even carry the awesome expensive one that steps for capslock, etc.

What I meant by "mouser/digikey" is that we can order from a normal parts dealer if need be (except for reds)
Yea i plan to buy one to have a toggleable Fn layer.

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Take a Filco case and cut away the part for the extra righthanded keys.
and where are we supposed to get those for a reasonable price?

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That's correct.
There could just be one case that just goes around the perimeter then, should work with every layout.

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« Reply #373 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 07:58:11 »
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and where are we supposed to get those for a reasonable price?
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« Reply #374 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 08:07:55 »
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Building custom keyboards is anything but reasonable =)
No reason to buy a $150 keyboard just for the case though. Especially when we can easily get a custom case one for that price.

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« Reply #375 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 08:24:44 »
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No reason to buy a $150 keyboard just for the case though. Especially when we can easily get a custom case one for that price.


A new keyboard could also be the source of switches.  And you could use a Leopold case, right?  So that's $130 after taxes and shipping (for me in CA at least).

Or, there is a case listed in the OP for $60... is that going to pan out?
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« Reply #376 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 08:31:24 »
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A new keyboard could also be the source of switches.  And you could use a Leopold case, right?  So that's $130 after taxes and shipping (for me in CA at least).

Or, there is a case listed in the OP for $60... is that going to pan out?

No.

The best thing we can have is a backplate and some screws to put the whole thing together.
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« Reply #377 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 08:33:11 »
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No.

The best thing we can have is a backplate and some scrwes to put the whole thing together.

No to just the case in the OP, right?  A modded Leopold case should work for the 7bit layout?

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« Reply #378 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 08:51:13 »
Leopold case is different enough from the Filco case that it should not work if it hasn't been planned for.  I don't recall anyone doing internal measurements on the Leopold for this build.
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« Reply #379 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 08:51:30 »
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No to just the case in the OP, right?  A modded Leopold case should work for the 7bit layout?
I believe its made to fit a Filco, my guess is that the holes in the PCB are not the same.

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« Reply #380 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 09:07:33 »
We were talking about some different cases in the DOX discussion thread starting here http://tinyurl.com/cgfzb4k I think the acrylic ones should be rather easy to do.

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« Reply #381 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 09:10:55 »
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Especially when we can easily get a custom case one for that price.

Please show us how easy it is to get a custom case for any price.  We can really use one here.

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Leopold case is different enough from the Filco case that it should not work if it hasn't been planned for.  I don't recall anyone doing internal measurements on the Leopold for this build.

Correct.  The Phantom  PCB and plate design is the same setup as Filco, not Leopold.

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« Reply #382 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 09:22:47 »
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We were talking about some different cases in the DOX discussion thread starting here http://tinyurl.com/cgfzb4k I think the acrylic ones should be rather easy to do.
Heres the links to the cases we were taking about. http://tinyurl.com/cbnqxqu http://tinyurl.com/d3fpllu We came to the conclusion that it looks like a couple layers of CNC cut acrylic.

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« Reply #383 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 09:48:15 »
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Heres the links to the cases we were taking about. http://tinyurl.com/cbnqxqu http://tinyurl.com/d3fpllu We came to the conclusion that it looks like a couple layers of CNC cut acrylic.

Cool, design one that works for Filco tenkeyless's innards, send us the drawings in dxf format, and we can investigate how much it could cost to make.

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« Reply #384 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 09:53:28 »
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Cool, design one that works for Filco tenkeyless's innards, send us the drawings in dxf format, and we can investigate how much it could cost to make.
Sadly I dont have the skills for that nor a Filco TKL to get measurements from. Im sure someone on GeekHack has skills in AutoCAD and is capable of doing so though. Its just a matter of finding them and having them hopefully agree to help.

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« Reply #385 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 09:57:58 »
Same for me.  I don't know AutoCAD.  It is not so easy after all.

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« Reply #386 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 10:09:17 »
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Same for me.  I don't know AutoCAD.  It is not so easy after all.
Well I started up a thread http://tinyurl.com/d85nm9g lets see what happens.

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« Reply #387 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 10:21:11 »
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Well I started up a thread http://tinyurl.com/d85nm9g lets see what happens.
Some interest has been shown but measurements of a Filco are needed. If you can help please head over to the thread, thanks.

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« Reply #388 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 11:58:15 »
7bit told me that we got quotes back on switches.  Looks like it is a go with switches.  Brown, Clear, and Red are a go.  We are at less than 200 switches for Blue and less than 400 for Black, so we may axe them if we don't get close to 1000 blue switches, the minimum order quote.


In case you missed it, it is OK if you just want to order switches through the Phantom group buy.
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« Reply #389 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 12:16:31 »
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7bit told me that we got quotes back on switches.  Looks like it is a go with switches.  Brown, Clear, and Red are a go.  We are at less than 200 switches for Blue and less than 400 for Black, so we may axe them if we don't get close to 1000 blue switches, the minimum order quote.


In case you missed it, it is OK if you just want to order switches through the Phantom group buy.


Nothing gets axed until we will order (which will be shortly before the PCBs and plates are ready). So if anybody wants blues and blacks, just order them through this group buy!!!

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« Reply #390 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 13:21:22 »
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7bit told me that we got quotes back on switches.

Ok, so do we have approx. costs for the switch types?  Some people may be holding back worried about the switch cost being suddenly more than expected.
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« Reply #391 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 13:24:19 »
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Ok, so do we have approx. costs for the switch types?  Some people may be holding back worried about the switch cost being suddenly more than expected.


MOQ is 1000 switches.

Price is around 40 EUR-cent. If you are in EU, you can pay them in EUR. If not, price will be less than ¢60 per switch.
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« Reply #392 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 13:42:49 »
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we may axe them if we don't get close to 1000 blue switches, the minimum order quote.

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Nothing gets axed until we will order (which will be shortly before the PCBs and plates are ready). So if anybody wants blues and blacks, just order them through this group buy!!!

7bit==good cop
litster==bad cop

Keep the orders coming and no one gets hurt!  :)

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« Reply #393 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 15:56:07 »
The PCB picture at the top of the first post has been updated to the final version.  If you are planning for your special layouts, please check that there are switch positions for your layouts, especially on the front row.  Keep in mind that the switch locations for the design is locked.  So you will have to make your layouts work with this PCB design.  Thanks.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23572-Phantom-Custom-Keyboard-Group-Buy-(Order-Only)&p=443851&viewfull=1#post443851

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« Reply #394 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 15:56:29 »
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A new keyboard could also be the source of switches.  And you could use a Leopold case, right?  So that's $130 after taxes and shipping (for me in CA at least).

Or, there is a case listed in the OP for $60... is that going to pan out?


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No.

The best thing we can have is a backplate and some screws to put the whole thing together.


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No to just the case in the OP, right?  A modded Leopold case should work for the 7bit layout?


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Leopold case is different enough from the Filco case that it should not work if it hasn't been planned for.  I don't recall anyone doing internal measurements on the Leopold for this build.


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I believe its made to fit a Filco, my guess is that the holes in the PCB are not the same.


The Leopold is a certain non-supported case.

The PLU looks more promising, looks (I don't have one IRL) like an exact copy of the Filco).

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« Reply #395 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 16:03:55 »
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The PCB picture at the top of the first post has been updated to the final version.  If you are planning for your special layouts, please check that there are switch positions for your layouts, especially on the front row.  Keep in mind that the switch locations for the design is locked.  So you will have to make your layouts work with this PCB design.  Thanks.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23572-Phantom-Custom-Keyboard-Group-Buy-(Order-Only)&p=443851&viewfull=1#post443851
As long as it fully supports 7bits layout made from the last PCB Im good.

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« Reply #396 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 16:09:03 »
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The PLU looks more promising, looks (I don't have one IRL) like an exact copy of the Filco).

Yep, looks like PLU is the golden ticket for a case (and switches + stabilizers) for Phantom.  First picture is 2 of my Filco cases,  black is MJ1, white is MJ2.



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« Reply #397 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 16:22:08 »
Looks like a fit to me. Now where to get some I think qtan has some but mostly in pink.

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« Reply #398 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 16:25:17 »
Quote from: litster;457705
Yep, looks like PLU is the golden ticket for a case (and switches + stabilizers) for Phantom.  First picture is 2 of my Filco cases,  black is MJ1, white is MJ2.

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Sorry to crash on this thread. But you see that white connector connecting the cable to the board, Is it possible to buy that male part (the bit connected to the wire). I'm looking for one so I can do a USB mini mod to my Noppoo choc mini.
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« Reply #399 on: Tue, 22 November 2011, 16:39:35 »
Quote from: TheProfosist;457720
Looks like a fit to me. Now where to get some I think qtan has some but mostly in pink.

I think PLU is only 2KRO (no diodes on PCB), and the PCB looks to be of lower quality than Filco's PCB (and Phantom's PCB).  It is about US$63 before agent fees and shipping.  qtan maybe able to get us a deal.