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ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« on: Mon, 05 May 2014, 15:01:15 »
Vendor subforums are a privilege granted to select vendors to advertise on geekhack, post news updates about their upcoming goods, and provide customer support by answering questions and resolving transaction issues.  Vendor subforums provide free advertisement space, and as such, vendors are expected to give something in return to the community through investing some reasonable amount of time and effort in maintaining their subforums and keeping some positive presence on our site, as well as obeying the Vendor Terms of Service document.

Which brings us to the current state of TEAM REDLINE as a Commercial Vendor on geekhack.  Given DrugER's absence from geekhack for many months and complete lack of customer support on his subforum, along with many outstanding orders that TEAM REDLINE is yet to fulfill, we are re-evaluating TEAM REDLINE's eligibility for keeping their own vendor subforum on geekhack.  We have concluded that TEAM REDLINE has been abusing their vendor privileges by using their free advertisement space but not putting in any effort in assisting our members with their orders, practically ignoring them, which is clear from multiple discussions on this subforum.  We are therefore taking the following actions against TEAM REDLINE:
  • The following users: "DrugER" has had his moderation privileges revoked
  • The subforum has been converted to "Reply-only" format
  • Representatives from TEAM REDLINE, specifically, DrugER, LifeZ and girldc have one week to respond with any statements in their defense, after which we will decide whether to archive this subforum.

Please feel free to respond to this announcement with your comments and suggestions.

UPDATE ON DECISIONS MADE BY GEEKHACK STAFF: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57897.msg1323711#msg1323711
« Last Edit: Fri, 09 May 2014, 11:39:22 by mkawa »

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 05 May 2014, 15:05:26 »
About time.  8)

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 05 May 2014, 15:22:28 »
much needed, unfortunately. i really hope the other members step up and say something. DrugER took a whole lot money from members here, and it would be nice to at least have that acknowledged even if no recompense is forthcoming.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 05 May 2014, 15:28:55 »
I've alerted girldc of this, but just for the record he has been doing his own thing apart from Red Line (he even began moving his group buys to the group buys section but then mkawa moved them back to Red Line...).

I don't think it's fair that girldc should be tied together with JackAss' bull****, since his role has nothing to do with any of the controversies going on.

But I'll let him speak for himself.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 05 May 2014, 21:27:24 »
I've alerted girldc of this, but just for the record he has been doing his own thing apart from Red Line (he even began moving his group buys to the group buys section but then mkawa moved them back to Red Line...).

I don't think it's fair that girldc should be tied together with JackAss' bull****, since his role has nothing to do with any of the controversies going on.

But I'll let him speak for himself.

GirlDC has always delivered.  Maybe we should just set up a GirlDC vendor sub.  Good riddance with RedLine though.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 05 May 2014, 21:41:53 »
I've alerted girldc of this, but just for the record he has been doing his own thing apart from Red Line (he even began moving his group buys to the group buys section but then mkawa moved them back to Red Line...).

I don't think it's fair that girldc should be tied together with JackAss' bull****, since his role has nothing to do with any of the controversies going on.

But I'll let him speak for himself.

GirlDC has always delivered.  Maybe we should just set up a GirlDC vendor sub.  Good riddance with RedLine though.

You mean an artisan forum.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 05 May 2014, 21:42:38 »
You mean an artisan forum.

Yes, yes I do.  Sometimes words elude me.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 06 May 2014, 11:19:16 »
thank friggin god. this needs to happen. not for what redline has already done (which they should be banned for regardless) but of what they could possibly do in the future.

GirlDC still had some form of communication open with other Redline members though and did nothing to try and push them to communicate with us.  Sucks and might be unfair but I still fully support BANNING redline and all its members.

If you want the privilege of associating your product with a brand you get the good AND the bad. You cant have it both ways.

I have been quite vocal about how I feel about Redline as i am sure most of you are aware. They have no place on this fantastic website.

This site is not a democracy, but if anyone cares i hereby vote to fully ban redline and all of its members. 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 06 May 2014, 11:20:41 »
Agree with Nubs and Sifo! GirlDC was always open about what was going on. So I would move all that to artisan.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 06 May 2014, 15:04:34 »
thank friggin god. this needs to happen. not for what redline has already done (which they should be banned for regardless) but of what they could possibly do in the future.

GirlDC still had some form of communication open with other Redline members though and did nothing to try and push them to communicate with us.  Sucks and might be unfair but I still fully support BANNING redline and all its members.

If you want the privilege of associating your product with a brand you get the good AND the bad. You cant have it both ways.

I have been quite vocal about how I feel about Redline as i am sure most of you are aware. They have no place on this fantastic website.

This site is not a democracy, but if anyone cares i hereby vote to fully ban redline and all of its members. 



Not necessarily the case, if we don't have communication with DrugER even outside of the forum he might as well be dodging girldc as well. Just because they're both apart of the Korean community and on the same "team" doesn't mean they talk to each other

Look at ****ing sherry, many of us here could be considered friends with him but have 0 idea where he is.

Again I'll let people speak for themselves
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 06 May 2014, 15:25:02 »
Look at ****ing sherry, many of us here could be considered friends with him but have 0 idea where he is.

You seem to have missed this: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57652.msg1319118#msg1319118

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 06 May 2014, 15:28:58 »
Look at ****ing sherry, many of us here could be considered friends with him but have 0 idea where he is.

You seem to have missed this: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57652.msg1319118#msg1319118

So I assume if DrugER could effectively post an apology here in legible English everything would be okay too ^_^
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 06 May 2014, 15:33:46 »
So I assume if DrugER could effectively post an apology here in legible English everything would be okay too ^_^

Yes, absolutely :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Seriously though, both have had their time to get things in order again. There is a point where somebody simply has ****ed up too hard and I think we have passed it.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 06 May 2014, 23:20:07 »
Okay I just noticed Originative subforum is completely gone from the site.  I'm assuming Redline subforum will follow suit.
I'm all for vendor review system we have in place and banning shady vendors.  But don't we need a place to talk about ongoing unresolved stuff like DSA dolch GB?  By archiving the entire subforum all together we lose access to all threads under it correct?  There are some important information ie order status spreadsheets etc.

We have to find a way to keep some of those threads alive, especially the DSA dolch thread.
« Last Edit: Tue, 06 May 2014, 23:21:51 by YUIOP »

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 06 May 2014, 23:38:08 »
if the forum is archived, this announcement thread will be moved to the announcements forum. we will consider moving further threads out of archives on a case by case basis. however, data can always be preserved by reposting in this thread.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 07 May 2014, 09:06:33 »
if the forum is archived, this announcement thread will be moved to the announcements forum. we will consider moving further threads out of archives on a case by case basis. however, data can always be preserved by reposting in this thread.

My opinion is the forum should not be removed, Geekhack is where I found the Dolch group buy, and it is the only place I can find discussion about the status of my purchase.  I can see where those that manage Geekhack would want to remove the forum to remove any credibility Team Redline receives from having a forum.  Another reason would be to remove an embarrassment from the forum community.

Perhaps it would be better to rename the forum "Team Redline: Banned for Fraud" with a warning posted at the top of the forum.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 07 May 2014, 09:17:05 »
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 07 May 2014, 09:27:39 »
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 07 May 2014, 10:24:52 »
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 07 May 2014, 15:07:25 »
if the forum is archived, this announcement thread will be moved to the announcements forum. we will consider moving further threads out of archives on a case by case basis. however, data can always be preserved by reposting in this thread.

My opinion is the forum should not be removed, Geekhack is where I found the Dolch group buy, and it is the only place I can find discussion about the status of my purchase.  I can see where those that manage Geekhack would want to remove the forum to remove any credibility Team Redline receives from having a forum.  Another reason would be to remove an embarrassment from the forum community.

Perhaps it would be better to rename the forum "Team Redline: Banned for Fraud" with a warning posted at the top of the forum.

This is a good argument, but perhaps begs only to have the DSA Dolch thread saved.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:44:34 »
It might be worthwhile to keep this forum visible but read-only for a while to allow for these sorts of initiatives. If PayPal decides to side with buyers on this, it wouldn't be great if all of this history suddenly disappeared from public view.

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:59:03 »
i think it's pretty conclusive that this thread needs to be placed somewhere in a visible archive.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 11:59:13 »
It might be worthwhile to keep this forum visible but read-only for a while to allow for these sorts of initiatives. If PayPal decides to side with buyers on this, it wouldn't be great if all of this history suddenly disappeared from public view.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 15:30:20 »
Will this be open to orders from Geekhackers?

http://jackass76.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/dsa-dolch-replica/




UPDATE

ATTENTION!!!
There is no invoice. Send funds to: jungils@naver.com (gift method, fee from sender)
ATTENTION!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sorry 4 modify your thread

you can find your order below link.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlC5ePVCddD9dFZuSDZhcGM1WUxOSmNTVlBZREZFaFE&output=html


(if u want to add your order plz pm 2 me or add my skype id "j61218k2h")


FINAL CONFIGURATION
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ABS DOUBLE SHOT
THIS KEYSET PRODUCT By SP


Pricing is below:
105 Keycap Set:BASIC KIT

25 sets $116.90 per set
50 sets $94.03 per set
75 sets $86.41 per set
100 sets $82.59 per set
150 sets $78.78 per set
200 sets $76.88 per set
250 sets $75.73 per set
71.50 per set

20 Keycap Set:(NUMPAD KIT)
25 sets $16.32 per set
50 sets $15.38 per set
75 sets $13.75 per set
100 sets $13.43 per set
150 sets $13.11 per set
200 sets $10.96 per set
250 sets $10.86 per set

20 Key Gamer Kit – This was priced incorrectly the last time. THIS PRICING IS THE CORRECT PRICING FOR THIS SET:
25 sets $33.80 per set
50 sets $24.00 per set
75 sets $19.20 per set
100 sets $19.20 per set
150 sets $15.20 per set
200 sets $14.00 per set
250 sets $13.20 per set

Lens Keyset – 4 Total Keys:(LED CAPS)
Lens Keyset - 4 Total Keys:
25 sets $8.76 per set
50 sets $6.80 per set
75 sets $5.84 per set
100 sets $5.84 per set
150 sets $5.04 per set
200 sets $4.80 per set
250 sets $4.64 per set

Please remember that pricing above does not include the collating charge nor does it include shipping costs.
and I'll pay 300USD FOR FULLTOUCH OFFSET CAPSLOCK MOLDING


DSA DOLCH REPLICA INFO.

: I just want to use 'DOLCH COLORED DSA RETRO KEYSET.' So I get permission from Matto3.
: ISO : I Don't Proceed ISO KIT. (SORRY)
: CAPSLOCK : I cannot get permission from OTD.KR, So I proceed 2 Kind of FULL TOUCH CAPSLOCK (Center stemmed and Offset stemmed)
: If MANY PPL WANT GE COLORED "`", "\" keys. I can include two keys at 105KEYS BASIC KIT. MAYBE PRICING is not changed.
: ORDER PERIOD ~ 20, JUNE
: PAYMENT 26, JUNE~
: you can find your order below link
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlC5ePVCddD9dFZuSDZhcGM1WUxOSmNTVlBZREZFaFE&output=html
(you can find your nickname CTRL+F)



thx 4 interesting and joining.

plz enjoy together!!!


if u have a intereting baout ISO KIT, plz join below link!!!!
(thx 4 Moosecraft)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44623

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SHIPPING PRICING

SHIPPING(and handling fee)
US
1set : 8 usd
2~10set : 13 usd


NON-US : EMS INTERNATIONAL DELIEVERY SERVICE.

ASIA
1 SET : 15USD
2~ 5SET : 20USD

EUROPE
1 SET : 20 USD
2~5 SET  : 24 USD

AFRICA & AU
1 SET : 24 USD
2~ 5SET    : 25 USD


>>payment<<

i cannot send invoice each 'cause so many ppl joined.
so plz send money to my paypal id: jungils@naver.com (gift method)
i'll check everyday and update.

plz Fee to the sender. not receiver

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlC5ePVCddD9dFZuSDZhcGM1WUxOSmNTVlBZREZFaFE&output=html





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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 15:41:08 »
He(whoever) just canceled(today) the invoice sent to me for DSA dolch.

So I'm not sure why are they replying.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 17:25:28 »
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This guy made me really mad

I wasn't even in the GB, but so many people lost a lot of money to that guy.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 17:58:44 »
Red Line
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don't forget

kboardvintage

This guy made me really mad

I wasn't even in the GB, but so many people lost a lot of money to that guy.

what was he trying to sell? Or rather not sell

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 17:59:51 »
Red Line
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don't forget

kboardvintage

This guy made me really mad

I wasn't even in the GB, but so many people lost a lot of money to that guy.

what was he trying to sell? Or rather not sell

iirc, bsp dyesub

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 18:00:59 »
Red Line
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don't forget

kboardvintage

This guy made me really mad

I wasn't even in the GB, but so many people lost a lot of money to that guy.

what was he trying to sell? Or rather not sell
BSP caps, profiting of another members buy on the same MOQ or something like it.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 01:37:54 »
Red Line
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Takaki.

don't forget

kboardvintage

This guy made me really mad

I wasn't even in the GB, but so many people lost a lot of money to that guy.

what was he trying to sell? Or rather not sell
BSP caps, profiting of another members buy on the same MOQ or something like it.
What made it even worse was the people defending him?!?!?! Most of them wanted to blame sherry, lol!!! That whole deal was a scam from the beginning.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 11:38:28 »
Folks,

Due to recent revelations, we have finished our deliberations and decided that the following actions need to be taken, effective immediately.

  • DrugER is permanently banned from Geekhack.org,
  • LifeZ and girldc are no longer allowed to conduct commercial business on Geekhack.org until further notice.
  • we will archive this vendor subforum in 48 hours. this thread will be moved to announcements. the remainder of the subforum will be archived.


Our hearts go out to those in the community. As the coach of the beleaguered LA Clippers said recently, we hope these actions allow the healing process to begin.

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여러분,

Due to recent revelations, we have finished our deliberations and decided that the following actions need to be taken, effective immediately.
최근의 폭로로 인해, 운영진은 심사숙고 끝에 다음의 액션을 즉시 시행하기로 결정하였습니다.
                               
  • DrugER is permanently banned from Geekhack.org,
  • DrugER는 긱핵.org에서 영구적으로 추방한다.
  • LifeZ and girldc are no longer allowed to conduct commercial business on Geekhack.org until further notice.
  • LifeZ와 girldc는 긱핵.org에서 추가 공지가 있을시까지 상업적 활동을 금지한다.


"If you are violate this directive, and are found to be doing business on geekhack, you will be subject to punitive action including but not limited to permanently being banned from geekhack"
만약 이 지시를 위반하고 긱핵에서 사업적 활동을 하게 된다면, 영구적인 추방을 포함한 징계가 따를 것이다.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 12:08:07 »
Due to recent revelations

I didn't think it could get any worse than it already was.:eek:

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 12:10:49 »
What are those "recent revelations"? That they didn't pay SP?

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 13:44:38 »
I has a sad about GirlDC.

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 09 May 2014, 13:53:36 »
I has a sad about GirlDC.

Yeah, I don't think he had anything to do with this.

He does affiliate with them though, so I think that a suspension is in order, at least until we figure out what he knows about drugER.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 22:43:31 »
Hello
Is me girldc

First of all, I can not English
This can be created using the translation of Google.

I confirmed the message of skype of Sifo yesterday.
sifo gave me over the link of Eagle me.

I was surprised.
What is going on this!


I in team redline
List is up.

And I with them, I have promoted the work of the individual.
I have not participated in or interfere about them.

They are not involved in the key cap that I created.

I received the help that does not know how to use my gb before.
However, I want to direct proceeds from this period.


I'm seeing the text slowly now.
Problem seems serious.
The English can not, do not know the exact content.

I want to know the exact contents
So,
I am attempting to contact with people and other drugER.
Waiting after sending a message that does not get communication.


I have in progress now
I am busy, marine is, was a bit late
(Even overlap with the other jobs. So, to them, I will include a gift separately)
Send an email to them.
It will be members of the application gb me it is shipping soon (expected in about 10 days) is not worried.
And, panda marine who ask for the individual is also shipped as at that time.

I have to cherish the trust
Please do not misunderstand my
Thank you.


- Add -
Now, what's happened to him
And attempting to phone

A lot of people, but would be concerned
There is nothing I also us to not know anything about it.
« Last Edit: Sat, 10 May 2014, 22:55:58 by girldc »
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 22:56:45 »
i hate to be selfish here, but if we're going to ban girldc, can we at least wait till his current gbs are complete?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #37 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:03:52 »
i hate to be selfish here, but if we're going to ban girldc, can we at least wait till his current gbs are complete?
Alternatively.. don't ban him at all. He has nothing to do with druger's actions.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:26:19 »
i hate to be selfish here, but if we're going to ban girldc, can we at least wait till his current gbs are complete?
Alternatively.. don't ban him at all. He has nothing to do with druger's actions.

Apparently guilt by assocation... I've never had a problem with GirlDCs GBs

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:37:40 »
Apparently guilt by assocation... I've never had a problem with GirlDCs GBs

Be careful wielding the axe about here because some may have no knowledge or were involved with this incident.  Hence like a good detective, you sieve through the evidence then make a righteous conclusion  8) .

I'm with LONGZILLA, never had any problems dealing with GirlDC he's always been honest and forthright within his own group buys.  A shame to punish many innocents over one guilty individual.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 10 May 2014, 23:49:17 »
Hello.
My english is not good.
This is translation of appz

I'm the same as the team .  very very sorry
We are a team , but the individual activities.
I am currently in progress to lz-fe gb trying to finish .
Individually be processed by the currently .


I contact is difficult him .
There seems to be a personal matter .
GB , but believes it can finish .
It is natural that you are worried .
I have to cherish the trust .

The thing that I think can be resolved soon .

South Korea also has participants .Will not be a serious problem .

Thanks.

add-
He says that
Dsa products arrive in Korea to be distributed .
The delivery soon .
08/05/2014 write.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 00:22:28 »
This will be interesting. :cool:
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 00:30:40 »
This will be interesting. :cool:

Interesting indeed.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 00:33:29 »
i hate to be selfish here, but if we're going to ban girldc, can we at least wait till his current gbs are complete?
Alternatively.. don't ban him at all. He has nothing to do with druger's actions.

for the record, that's what I would prefer as well.  I don't remember any complaints against girlDC ever.  Just close this forum and let him do his thing in the main artisan forum.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 00:38:37 »
mkawa did say "until further notice" as opposed to permanently banned.  Give it some time.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 01:58:04 »
Hello.
My english is not good.
This is translation of appz

I'm the same as the team .  very very sorry
We are a team , but the individual activities.
I am currently in progress to lz-fe gb trying to finish .
Individually be processed by the currently .


I contact is difficult him .
There seems to be a personal matter .
GB , but believes it can finish .
It is natural that you are worried .
I have to cherish the trust .

The thing that I think can be resolved soon .

South Korea also has participants .Will not be a serious problem .

Thanks.

add-
He says that
Dsa products arrive in Korea to be distributed .
The delivery soon .
08/05/2014 write.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 02:19:01 »
i hate to be selfish here, but if we're going to ban girldc, can we at least wait till his current gbs are complete?

If you'll note, the only member of redline banned is druger.  girldc and LZ are "merely" barred from commercial activity until they can conform to the terms that other vendors and artisans have complied with to maintain status.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #47 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 02:27:07 »
I want to chime in in support of LZ: he did, just recently, deliver on his promise of a firmware update for the triker boards and I am a happy beneficiary of the same. I'm very pleased with LZ!

Note: I am in the redline GB, I did pay, and have cause to be pissed about this but I'm not mad at LZ, that's for sure.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 02:27:11 »
i hate to be selfish here, but if we're going to ban girldc, can we at least wait till his current gbs are complete?

If you'll note, the only member of redline banned is druger.  girldc and LZ are "merely" barred from commercial activity until they can conform to the terms that other vendors and artisans have complied with to maintain status.

I was saying that there's no difference between being 'banned from commercial activity' and forum software banned.

in both cases, I can't communicate with them about their GBs.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 04:52:54 »
DrugER seems to have switched phones or something because he's not answering any of their calls :P

I still wouldn't trust that this'll be resolved.

DrugER is like the PR of Red Line which is why you don't see LZ and girldc checking this forum very often, but clearly he's completely ****ed up his job.

EDIT: And call me selfish but I'd rather not get involved with this whole thing. Luckily for me I wasn't affected by it since I've been wary of DrugER from the start (ty baseddemik). I have no opinions on the matter that are relevant, I'm just the messenger.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 07:19:56 »
GirlDC, DrugER, and LZ are all part of the same commercial enterprise.  They should all be banned imo. How long has it taken them to respond? Part of being a vendor is keeping your GB threads updated.

LZ denied any problem with the Trik PCB until the evidence was overwhelming. Team Redline displays a general lack of respect for GH but still make money off of us.
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« Reply #51 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 09:14:03 »
just a reminder, the team redline forum will be archived in 5 hours.

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« Reply #52 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 10:08:27 »
From what I gather having dealt with LZ in the past and currently is that he has been good on his word. He can be slow but he has always responded to me. I think both he and GirlDC have difficulty with english and we all know how bad the google translator is for Korean. I'm not sure he understood the gravity of the situation, possibly because he couldn't translate it. DrugER's english was/is better and I believe that is why he has always been the spokesperson and public face for Team Redline.

I agree he should be banned but I believe a suspension for the other two and awaiting their response is appropriate. If their is anyone who can speak and write Korean well they should probably be used to communicate with them over this matter.

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« Reply #53 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 11:45:08 »
 girldc & lifeZ are responsible :thumb:

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« Reply #54 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 11:50:05 »
No idea what happened with my PBT dyesubs T_T

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 12 May 2014, 06:20:52 »
There are 124 individuals who participated in the group buy from Geekhack, now that the Dolch thread is gone I believe most do not know where to go for information about their purchase.
  • How can we contact these individuals so they can have a place to stay updated?  Personal messaging?
  • Is this the thread we should be posting updates to?

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« Reply #56 on: Mon, 12 May 2014, 09:23:53 »
 :))


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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 12 May 2014, 09:31:22 »
just a reminder, the team redline forum will be archived in 5 hours.
There are 124 individuals who participated in the group buy from Geekhack, now that the Dolch thread is gone I believe most do not know where to go for information about their purchase.
  • How can we contact these individuals so they can have a place to stay updated?  Personal messaging?
  • Is this the thread we should be posting updates to?

So, where are the archived threads? It seems like when you archive these threads they are removed from public view.
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« Reply #58 on: Mon, 12 May 2014, 17:43:50 »
yes, the archived threads are unavailable. we welcome members to summarize the current situation, from their perspective, in this thread.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 06:43:00 »
Is there a topic for people trying to recover they money on this?

I was sad to discover that even though I did NOT send payment as gift, because its been more than 45 days, they won't continue the  investigation...

"Unfortunately, at this time, we cannot continue with this investigation
because your complaint was filed 45 or more days after the original
transaction date."

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 14:15:12 »
I have backuped the thread about the DSA scam until page 40.
I as well backed up the Spreadsheet with the people who paid and never received their keycaps (including me).
64833-0
Here's a screenshot of pimp my keyboard which states that they never received any money:
64835-1

I think it was a bad decision to remove the team redline forum from public view. People got scammed and the administration removes any evidence that something like this has happened.  :(

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« Reply #61 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 14:19:46 »
I quoted the OP of the dsa dolch thread in this reply

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57897.msg1322527#msg1322527

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« Reply #62 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 14:20:48 »
Wow, feng lost 3k :-\

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« Reply #63 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 14:23:40 »
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 14:30:15 »
I think it was a bad decision to remove the team redline forum from public view. People got scammed and the administration removes any evidence that something like this has happened.  :(

I agree, however, from the Geekhack Terms of Service:

Quote
We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author.

Perhaps we should feel fortunate we were given prior notification.  Having someone use your forum to rob people is embarrassing, thus the removal.

I would like to get all of us in the group buy to band together to put pressure on DrugER / Jackass, if he won't fulfill his obligation there should be consequences.

DrugER / Jackass Dolch page: http://jackass76.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/dsa-dolch-replica/
DrugER / Jackass latest response: http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_cUlO13&document_srl=239414


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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 14:41:05 »
I thought there would be more korean people around here, hanging with folks, talking in english. Then maybe they  could help us...

(Brazilian for example, always on english-based communities/forums because brazilian market for this stuff is tiny).

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 14:47:37 »
I thought there would be more korean people around here, hanging with folks, talking in english. Then maybe they  could help us...

(Brazilian for example, always on english-based communities/forums because brazilian market for this stuff is tiny).

There are some, but the mechanical keyboard "hype" sort of originates from Korea iirc, so they have their own forums (OTD, KBDMania,...).

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 15:56:19 »
It took ten months, and I got ripped off for $104, but I got them yesterday (from SP), and they are actually nice keycaps. :)

Now I need another board to put them on.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 16:24:13 »
This was exactly a week ago.

Quote
DrugER / Jackass posted an update shortly after SP started selling DSA dolch @ PMK.

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_cUlO13&document_srl=239414
You may try google trans but google trans sucks when it comes to translating Korean to any other languages save for Japanese maybe.

He "claims" to have received the keycaps (but no proofs such as pic etc).  He says sorting will be done by the end of this week and shipping will be done by the end of next week.  I have no clue what that means for geekhack portion of the group buy.  He didn't say anything specific about Koreans orders vs Geekhack orders. But since he only posts updates on kbdlab (he's banned from every other korean keyboard forums, I believe) who the hell knows if he has any intention of delivering anything to foreigners.  He also says all shipping labels have already been printed.  I know for a fact that that's not how international shipping works in Korea.  You basically have to go to the post office with packages and fill out the customs form and address for each.  He then goes on to apologize for the confusion caused when SP started selling the "canceled sets and overruns" at a discounted price  He promises to cooperate if people want refunds because of that (No clue if that means he's willing to give refunds.  He still hasn't responded to my refund request made before SP started selling the set).  20+ replies all condemning SP and their shady business practices :)) for selling group buy product at a lower price before group buy even ships.  DrugER receiving a lot of "support" from people ie. he shouldn't take all the financial burden caused by SP's shady business etc.  Nobody over there seems to understand SP's words clearly stating they're selling these because they never received the payment for it.  I have no clue if those people fiercely backing DrugER are even part of this group buy.  This group buy started 6+month before kbdlab even existed.

He has disappeared from everywhere since this post.   I sent him a PM @kbdlab on 5/9 and it still remains unread.
LifeZ/girldc can't get a hold of him because he apparently has changed his phone number. 
It's painfully obvious and yet 100+ koreans in this GB still don't realize they've been ripped off....

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« Last Edit: Thu, 15 May 2014, 16:26:18 by YUIOP »

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 16 May 2014, 00:25:25 »
He enjoy chatting now on kbdlab.
just funny without responsibility.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 16 May 2014, 15:10:34 »
Translate to English for us, please. My Korean isn't what it used to be.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 16 May 2014, 15:19:49 »
He enjoy chatting now on kbdlab.
just funny without responsibility.

Doesn't sound promising. :-|

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« Reply #72 on: Fri, 16 May 2014, 15:49:06 »
Translate to English for us, please. My Korean isn't what it used to be.

He's just chatting with GON
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 18:15:55 »

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 20:02:50 »
I lost $80 from the GB and now I missed the opportunity for the keycaps since PMK is out of stock. Ugh I hate this hobby. Probably going to liquidate my collection soon if anyone cares.

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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 02:31:05 »
wow, this sucks
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #76 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 02:31:38 »
FYI,
I have almost refunded everyone from my secondary groupbuy that was tied to this.
Also. ..
When druger refunds me my money, then I will give him his back.

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« Reply #77 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:12:39 »
Big loss on GDC and LZ through mere association :(

well, this sucks

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:46:07 »
Big loss on GDC and LZ through mere association :(

well, this sucks

They're still active on kbdlab and other korean sites - you can google translate the groupbuys there and ask for international shipping, I'd imagine.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 16:15:14 »
Big loss on GDC and LZ through mere association :(

well, this sucks

They're still active on kbdlab and other korean sites - you can google translate the groupbuys there and ask for international shipping, I'd imagine.

I hope some kind people post this sort of stuff as I would hate to miss out on some the stuff Girldc does shame they are not allowed to do much here now.
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« Reply #80 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 19:04:44 »
i would like to point out that banning girldc and lz has produced the only communication from redline since the whole dsa dolch mess.  i support that decision and have said so in the past. i only lost like 90+ bucks but still.

is there really a hope that these caps could still be delivered?  LZ said so in his last post on this thread.  And where is the Korean anger on their forums if DrugER ripped them off?  i would imagine those sites would ban them for that like we did. **** they are really picky about who can join their site so i imagine they are strict on their memebers.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 23 May 2014, 13:00:13 »
i would like to point out that banning girldc and lz has produced the only communication from redline since the whole dsa dolch mess.  i support that decision and have said so in the past. i only lost like 90+ bucks but still.

is there really a hope that these caps could still be delivered?  LZ said so in his last post on this thread.  And where is the Korean anger on their forums if DrugER ripped them off?  i would imagine those sites would ban them for that like we did. **** they are really picky about who can join their site so i imagine they are strict on their memebers.

**** redline.  thank you geekhack moderators and admins for doing this.  thank you.

maybe because they are equally surprised as to what happened and what's going on? when has girldc or LZ ever spoken about druger and what he does? they are guilty by association sure but they don't very frequently communicate even with each other, druger even changed his phone line and is dodging them. I suspect LZ's statement is just a desperate attempt to try to save face at this point

also you do realize red line is banned from otd and kbd mania yeah? it's not like there weren't any warnings and you choose NOW to complain? demik has been warning people about red line for months and it takes first hand experience for everyone to agree while he gets warned for posting rofl

girldc should stay I never felt he was apart of red line anyway. also by that your logic boost should be banned for previous association with red line.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 22:39:09 »
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=273675&mid=board_cUlO13

I feel very bad these problems happend on Geekhack.
They damaged our trustful relationship with between foreiger members and korean.
On behalf of them, I apologized on theirs behalf. Please don't hate Korean, it's really an exceptional case.
« Last Edit: Sat, 24 May 2014, 22:45:47 by chaosstep »

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 22:51:18 »
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=273675&mid=board_cUlO13

I feel very bad these problems happend on Geekhack.
They damaged our trustful relationship with between foreiger members and korean.
On behalf of them, I apologized on theirs behalf. Please don't hate Korean, it's really an exceptional case.

I think I can say with confidence that no one here hates Koreans because of it.  We hate scammers and douchebags, regardless of their national origin, race, or any other factor.  For example, Sprit and others seem pretty awesome so far.

Edit:  And we need a Korean speaker/reader to translate that link.  It sounds like he promised delivery this week and it wasn't done.  When people went to his house (the old known address) to see about it, he was no longer there.  People who know him can't get in contact with him and he never paid SP.  It also sounds like kbdlab members are instigating legal proceedings against him and Team Redline is being held responsible to refund the money and has a formal inquiry on the site to see how they will resolve the issue.  Additionally, everyone is sad that it may have hurt trust with Geekhack.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:32:15 »
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=273800&mid=board_cUlO13

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1. 첫번째 메일
- 최초 사이트에 판매 당시에 있는 문구에 대하여 설명을 해달라고 함
: Last year we at SP jumped the gun in producing an order for which we never received payment.
As a result we are left with a large quantity of DSA Dolch keycap sets that we want to make available.

- 그에 대한 답변
: We received a request for an order last year and since we had time in production we went ahead and produced the keycap set
before we received payment or confirmation of the complete order. Without any contact from the original buyer,
our bankers and accountants have indicated that we must move this item from our inventory - which is why we sold this on our website.

2. 두번째 메일
- 현재 까지도 제작 대금을 못 받았느냐? 물건은 그럼 공제자에게 보냈느냐?
- 그에 대한 답변
: Payment was never received from the original buyer. Had it been, we would not have posted these on our website.

3. 세번째 메일
- 공제자는 지금 물건을 받았다고 하고 소분중이라는데 먼소리냐? 잘못 안거 아니냐? 오늘(5.21 수) 보낸 다던데?
- 그에 대한 답변
: It seems he is definitely not being truthful with you - we haven't heard from him in 6 months, which is why we had to move the product.

4. 네번째 메일
- 통상적으로는 항상 대금이 모두 결제 되야지만 생산을 하지 않냐? 근데 왜 그냥 생산을 한거야?
- 그에 대한 답변
: Correct - We normally don't go into production until we receive payment in full. We have never sold to that particular buyer before.

One korean member asked SP directly and the truth has come out.  Not like there was much doubt anyways but it's 100% official now. 
DrugER ran with our money. 
He was also doing CMYW and another GMK groupbuy @kbdlab.   We're talking about ~$100,000$70,000 in his scams altogether.....
« Last Edit: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:38:37 by YUIOP »

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:32:48 »
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=273675&mid=board_cUlO13

I feel very bad these problems happend on Geekhack.
They damaged our trustful relationship with between foreiger members and korean.
On behalf of them, I apologized on theirs behalf. Please don't hate Korean, it's really an exceptional case.

I think I can say with confidence that no one here hates Koreans because of it.  We hate scammers and douchebags, regardless of their national origin, race, or any other factor.  For example, Sprit and others seem pretty awesome so far.

Edit:  And we need a Korean speaker/reader to translate that link.  It sounds like he promised delivery this week and it wasn't done.  When people went to his house (the old known address) to see about it, he was no longer there.  People who know him can't get in contact with him and he never paid SP.  It also sounds like kbdlab members are instigating legal proceedings against him and Team Redline is being held responsible to refund the money and has a formal inquiry on the site to see how they will resolve the issue.  Additionally, everyone is sad that it may have hurt trust with Geekhack.

Thanks, And here is some information.

1. First - the announcement - All redline members were banned from KBDMania
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/freeboard/8366563#14

2. Second - the translation of KBDLAB official announcement about this case

* Sorry, I'm not native speaker so there will be some grammer mistakes
however you can understand what is the main point.

 
키보드랩 JackAss* 회원이 진행한 "DSA 돌치", "CMYW", "GMK 투톤 베이지 블랙각인 + 삼락LED" 등 3건에 대한 키캡 공제와 관련하여 긴급 공지 드립니다.

 - I(The officer of KBDLAB) notice you guys about those GBs (DSA dolch, CMYW, GMK Two-
     tone beige) by Jackass for an emergency.

현재 JackAss* 회원이 약 1년전에 시작한 DSA 돌치 키캡이 현재 국내에 배송되어 소분중에 있다고 주장 하였으나,

 - Jackass claims that DSA dolch keycaps were arrived at Korea and were sort out now.

약 2주간의 실제 사진 업로드 요청에 응하지 않고 있으며,

 - But some members request him to show the real pictures of them if he really receive these
    keycaps but He never accept the request.

약속하였던 금주 배송도 사실상 지켜 지지 않은 것으로 확인 되었고,

 - He promised he would ship them on 5.21 but not happend at all.
 

어제 키보드랩의 모회원이 JackAss* 회원의 거주지를 방문한 결과 JackAss* 회원의 행적을 발견할 수 없었고

완전히 연락이 두절 되었음을 확인 하였습니다.

 - a member of KBDlab visited the house of Jackass, but Jackass were dissapered and
   we totally lost communication (SMS, Phone, email and all)
 

주변 지인들은 상황을 어느정도 아시는듯 하지만 묵묵부답으로 시간을 끌고 계시는건지 좀 의아합니다.

이것또한 시간을 벌기위한 방조죄에 해당하는듯 합니다.
 
 - It seems to be some guys who is close with Jackass might knows what happend with him,
   but told nothing to us. I think it's like aiding and abetting for taking our hour.

또한 DSA 돌치 키캡의 제작 업체인 시그네쳐 프라스틱의 공식 홈페이지의 게시된 관련 글을 참조 하였을때,

 - Also when I refer to SP that made DSA dolch saying on pimpkeyboards

JackAss* 회원이 DSA 돌치 키캡의 대금을 지불 조차 하지 않은 것으로 판단 되며,

 - I think Jackass didn't pay the payment of  DSA dolch even 1$

이를 미루어 보았을때, DSA 돌치 키캡 이후에 키보드랩에서 진행된 2개의 키캡 공제도 사실상 진행할 의사가 없다고 판단 됩니다.

 - In all situations now,
   I judge Jackass has no intention of doing CMYW and GMK two-tone beige after
   He launched DSA dolch.

저는 앞으로 3일간(2014년 5월 28일 정오 까지) JackAss* 회원에게 본 건에 대하여 소명할 기회를 제공하며,

 - So, I give Jackass to answer about all these situations until 14.05.28 12:00 (GMT + 9, local time)

3일 이내에 JackAss* 회원이 이에 대한 적절한 해명을 본 사이트의 자유 게시판에 게시 하지 않을 경우,

 - If Jackass never explanation on the free board of KBDlab in 3 days

JackAss* 회원이 진행한 공제가 사기로 간주하고,

 - We regard All his GB as fraud

즉각적으로 민사 및 사법적 소송을 진행하여 끝까지 책임을 물게할 예정입니다.

 - We immediatly do civil case and criminal suit or whatever we can, we call him to account
   until he solve all of this.

(JackAss* 신분증사본, 통장사본, 전화번호등 준비)

 - Prefare copies of identication, bank account, phone number, ETC)

개인적으로 저는 이번 건이 오래 동안 쌓여 왔던 기계식 커스텀 키보드 회원간의 굳은 신뢰를 무너뜨리고 농락하였으며,

 - Personally, I think this case demolish and poke fun the our confidence for ages long.

긱핵등의 해외 사이트에서의 한국인에 대한 모든 신뢰를 무너뜨린 점에 대하여 깊은 분노를 금할 수 없습니다.

 - Also I really feel furrious at that he also demolished the confidence between
   GH, DT, so on and Korean.

마지막으로 JackAss* 회원의 경우 'TEAM RED-LINE' 이라는 조직의 일원으로써 활동하였음을 모든 분들이 잘 아시리라 생각 합니다.

 - Lastly, every one know Jackass is the member of 'TEAM RED-LINE" and he has acted as
   a member of that team.


이곳 및 키보드매니아에서 활동하시는 회원분들이 보셨을때, JackAss* 회원이 진행한 공제를 믿고 참여한 이유는, 'TEAM RED-LINE' 이라는 조직의 명성 때문이라는 것을 누구도 부정치 않으리라 생각 합니다.

 - Everyone who act on KBDlab or KBdmania trusted him and participated in his GBs
   Because the reputation of 'TEAM RED-LINE'


JackAss* 회원이 'TEAM RED-LINE' 이라는 조직에서 활동한 만큼 'TEAM RED-LINE'에서 책임 감을 갖고
금전적인 부분에 대하여 앞장서 해결에 주기를 바랍니다.

 - So we request TEAM RED LINE to solve this problem since Jackass has acted as the member of
   Your team.

또한 개인적으로 JackAss* 회원이 현재와 같은 상황을 이를 것이라는 것을
이곳 회원님들 보다 'TEAM RED-LINE'이 먼저 인지 했을 것으로 생각 하나,
이에 대해 여지껏 방관해 왔다는 점에 대하여 매우 의아한 상황 입니다.

 - And Personally, I think TEAM RED-LINE already recognized or expect this case will be happend,
   But why you just look on this? I very wonder that.


아마 공제를 참여하신 대부분의 회원분들도 저와 같은 의문을 갖고 계시리라 생각 하므로,
'TEAM RED-LINE'에서 본건에 대하여 어떤 생각을 갖고 있고, 금전적인 부분에 대하여 앞으로 어떻게 해결할 생각인지 이곳 키보드랩의 자유게시판을 통하여 공지 해주시길 정식으로 요청 드립니다

 - I think almost of members who participated in Jackass's GBs think like as mine,
   So I request TEAM RED-LINE that what you think about this, how will you solve the financial
   problem, Please notice us officially via the free board of KBDLAB.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:33:10 »
International assassin time?

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« Reply #87 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:38:02 »
He was also doing CMYW and another GMK groupbuy @kbdlab.   We're talking about ~$100,000 in his scams altogether.....


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« Reply #88 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:39:42 »
And now I think we can say with absolute certainty that he was definitely behind the fake Clacks and not just someone who got taken advantage of.  Here's hoping he gets some lovely prison time...or sent to North Korea.

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« Reply #89 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:44:04 »
And now I think we can say with absolute certainty that he was definitely behind the fake Clacks and not just someone who got taken advantage of.  Here's hoping he gets some lovely prison time...or sent to North Korea.

Speaking of fake clacks.  He's come a long way :)) http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/5362770

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« Reply #90 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:48:31 »
And now I think we can say with absolute certainty that he was definitely behind the fake Clacks and not just someone who got taken advantage of.  Here's hoping he gets some lovely prison time...or sent to North Korea.

Speaking of fake clacks.  He's come a long way :)) http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/5362770

What a douche.  I didn't know he did fakes a couple of years ago.

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« Reply #91 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:56:04 »
This just keeps getting better and better... lol
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #92 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 23:59:37 »
And now I think we can say with absolute certainty that he was definitely behind the fake Clacks and not just someone who got taken advantage of.  Here's hoping he gets some lovely prison time...or sent to North Korea.

Speaking of fake clacks.  He's come a long way :)) http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/5362770

How the **** do you mess up a cast that way? ewwwwwwwww

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« Reply #93 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 00:16:43 »
And now I think we can say with absolute certainty that he was definitely behind the fake Clacks and not just someone who got taken advantage of.  Here's hoping he gets some lovely prison time...or sent to North Korea.

Speaking of fake clacks.  He's come a long way :)) http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/5362770


Looks like they are melted :eek:
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« Reply #94 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 01:03:28 »
And now I think we can say with absolute certainty that he was definitely behind the fake Clacks and not just someone who got taken advantage of.  Here's hoping he gets some lovely prison time...or sent to North Korea.

Speaking of fake clacks.  He's come a long way :)) http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/5362770


Looks like they are melted :eek:

Melting frozen smoothie clacks in BS height.  :eek:
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« Reply #95 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 01:09:56 »
Looks like they are melted :eek:

I've seen melted clacks, and those certainly don't look the same.

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« Reply #96 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 01:12:45 »
Looks like they are melted :eek:

I've seen melted clacks, and those certainly don't look the same.

You would know.  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #97 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 03:23:19 »
Translation done, Read the reply #85 if you want to know the official accouncement of KBDlab.
Huh I'm sorry to say that but It seems it's very bad situation now :|

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« Reply #98 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 04:44:54 »
Clack clone and GB fraud. i knew this man do this. **** up.


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« Reply #99 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 12:08:08 »
Great, I'm totally f** up. Right now I can only hope that Team Red Line will take partial responsibility in this situation. Most people are not familiar with DrugER, they joined the DSA Dolch GB because of Team Red Line's reputation.

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« Reply #100 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 14:19:38 »
And now I think we can say with absolute certainty that he was definitely behind the fake Clacks and not just someone who got taken advantage of.  Here's hoping he gets some lovely prison time...or sent to North Korea.

Speaking of fake clacks.  He's come a long way :)) http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/5362770


Actually, he didnt make that fake. username 'Gearskorea' made that and share to him.
Recent CC fake is from him(JACK*******).


i remember someone who like him defenses he have not many cc and didnt know cc`s value, you are wrong.
He posted more CC pic on kbdmania, but after fake is happened, he deleted his pic thread.
but i found trace on google.

i knew Everything shows.

Dont defend him more.
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« Reply #101 on: Sun, 25 May 2014, 19:42:32 »
Great, I'm totally f** up. Right now I can only hope that Team Red Line will take partial responsibility in this situation. Most people are not familiar with DrugER, they joined the DSA Dolch GB because of Team Red Line's reputation.

Feng, I'm sorry to tell you this but you have to know that.

They(LifeZone and Girldc) said "We are not responsible for the result, Druger did it by himself"
Though I don't understand why they said like that.

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If you want to solve this problem seriously you should contact them directly.
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« Reply #102 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:33:29 »
Translation done, Read the reply #85 if you want to know the official accouncement of KBDlab.
Huh I'm sorry to say that but It seems it's very bad situation now :|

Thanks for keeping us posted and doing translations, even if the news is bad. :-/

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« Reply #103 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:57:31 »
chaosstep thank you very much for the translation.  sounds like we should have another update soon since the deadline is approaching today.

we shall sit and wait. hell at this point seeing DrugER get arrested in Korea would be more rewarding than actually receiving the 97$ worth of caps i ordered.  i just want him to get whats coming to him.

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« Reply #104 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 12:39:35 »
There are four pages of posts on Keyboard Lab: http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=argument&sort_index=regdate&order_type=asc

Perhaps a Korean speaking member could skim these and post a synopsis?  Thanks in advance!


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« Reply #105 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 12:44:07 »
I'll have a look, give me a few. There will be a large edit to this post when I'm done.

DISCLAIMER: My Korean is rusty, and I'm not much good at it in the first place. If someone like vesperSAINT comes in an corrects me, they're probably right. I'm also a very sarcastic person, so some details may be exaggerated, and my choice of words may be incorrect in some cases.

This post says that DSA Dolch did not end well, and that GMK has been asked about the status of CMYW and a Beige set (presumably a Classic Beige, I don't follow Korean GBs). SoWalk expects everything to normalize soon, but he's still very upset. 5/7 of the comments are people being upset, and wishing that this never happened. Yuiop's longer comment says, in short, "Why did the foreigners get these while we didn't?" I assume that this is a reaction to Koreans not getting as many sets as they ordered, or none at all.

This post is about DSA Dolch, and how it was unfortunate that SP had to sell the DSA dolch sets. The main issue mentioned is that people who actually ordered in the GB didn't get sets, while people who weren't did. Some estimations of money lost/gained are thrown around in the comments.

This post basically says "Team Redline is banned, we're building a court case, nobody's happy about any of this." The comments are general agreement and some more mention of DSA Dolch issues.

Basically the same as the above post. Team redline is banned, here's who we're banning.

Most of the other posts are just people with problems with how DSA Dolch was handled by SP, and problems with the GMK Beige set. I skimmed most of the topic names, so I might have missed some other stuff. I figured the stickies were the most important ones.

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« Reply #106 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 13:16:02 »
Thanks for keeping us up to date, T-Stache. :thumb:

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« Reply #107 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 13:16:24 »
Why are people still blaming SP?  That's like blaming the band whose concert you missef because you bought counterfeit tickets off a scalper.  Did they expect SP to give it away or give dibs to people who were scammed by the buy whether they could prove it or not?

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« Reply #108 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 13:22:05 »
Again, my Korean is lacking.

From what I can tell, they're mad at SP (still blaming Team redline) because they produced the set before they got paid, then sold it in a sale open to everyone. This is problematic because A) shipping to Korea is crazy expensive, something like $20-30 for one set, and B) they have to pay for the set again on top of that if they want it. This prioritizes "foreigners." which basically means us English speaking communities like GH and DT (which is largely EU as well) get an advantage over the Koreans and Chinese, who, percent wise, put more into the GB (or so it is said).

Not entirely SP's fault in my book, but I see why they're mad.
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« Reply #109 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 13:42:12 »
Why are people still blaming SP?  That's like blaming the band whose concert you missef because you bought counterfeit tickets off a scalper.  Did they expect SP to give it away or give dibs to people who were scammed by the buy whether they could prove it or not?

Maybe they didn't become aware of the sale on PMK until after most of them were gone?

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« Reply #110 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 14:12:52 »
Again, my Korean is lacking.

From what I can tell, they're mad at SP (still blaming Team redline) because they produced the set before they got paid, then sold it in a sale open to everyone. This is problematic because A) shipping to Korea is crazy expensive, something like $20-30 for one set, and B) they have to pay for the set again on top of that if they want it. This prioritizes "foreigners." which basically means us English speaking communities like GH and DT (which is largely EU as well) get an advantage over the Koreans and Chinese, who, percent wise, put more into the GB (or so it is said).

Not entirely SP's fault in my book, but I see why they're mad.

Technically they didn't pay SP--they paid drugER who did not in turn pay SP, so SP is under no obligation to prioritize anyone.  It would have just been a kind gesture to notify all the communities involved that the set is going up for sale in advance.
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« Reply #111 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 14:24:24 »
I'm just the messenger. I hold no real opinion here.
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« Reply #112 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 14:27:22 »
I know :)  Just commenting on what I think about that summary, the fact that they are blaming SP.  Seems like more of taking out their frustration on a 3rd party.
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« Reply #113 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 15:14:18 »
I know :)  Just commenting on what I think about that summary, the fact that they are blaming SP.  Seems like more of taking out their frustration on a 3rd party.
Which doesn't really make any sense to me. I would sort of understand it if they were just looking for someone to blame, but it is pretty obvious who they should be blaming...

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« Reply #114 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 16:04:52 »
I'll have a look, give me a few. There will be a large edit to this post when I'm done.

DISCLAIMER: My Korean is rusty, and I'm not much good at it in the first place. If someone like vesperSAINT comes in an corrects me, they're probably right. I'm also a very sarcastic person, so some details may be exaggerated, and my choice of words may be incorrect in some cases.

This post says that DSA Dolch did not end well, and that GMK has been asked about the status of CMYW and a Beige set (presumably a Classic Beige, I don't follow Korean GBs). SoWalk expects everything to normalize soon, but he's still very upset. 5/7 of the comments are people being upset, and wishing that this never happened. Yuiop's longer comment says, in short, "Why did the foreigners get these while we didn't?" I assume that this is a reaction to Koreans not getting as many sets as they ordered, or none at all.

This post is about DSA Dolch, and how it was unfortunate that SP had to sell the DSA dolch sets. The main issue mentioned is that people who actually ordered in the GB didn't get sets, while people who weren't did. Some estimations of money lost/gained are thrown around in the comments.

This post basically says "Team Redline is banned, we're building a court case, nobody's happy about any of this." The comments are general agreement and some more mention of DSA Dolch issues.

Basically the same as the above post. Team redline is banned, here's who we're banning.

Most of the other posts are just people with problems with how DSA Dolch was handled by SP, and problems with the GMK Beige set. I skimmed most of the topic names, so I might have missed some other stuff. I figured the stickies were the most important ones.



I'd say you did a good summary, bromang :D I'll give a more literal translation second point of view on some things, and won't repeat what TacticalBraw has already mentioned :)

The way SoWalk worded the first post, he says that because he found an untrustworthy aspect of SP's Dolche Replica buy, he's felt suspicion towards GMK's two-tone beige and CMYW buys (dat logic lulz). He has therefore sent an email to GMK and will update them as soon as he receives one back.

The second post, the poster is pretty much showing evidence to show that the chances of SP of stealing money from the Koreans and then going on to selling the product on their own site is very unlikely. He does go on to talk about how he finds suspicion in SP's actions by making the keycaps without confirmation and then selling the keycaps on their website, and points to certain areas of SP's response to questions from Korea. You can guess what the questions were with the English answers provided. However, he ultimately states that SP is a large company, and he believes that there is no reason for SP to cheat their customers in such an extreme manner. He is worried about how the Korean community's reputation may now have been stained permanently. He hopes that someone in the team will speak the truth on the matter.

Third and fourth post. tl;dr. Skimmed both and they're just pretty much summarizing the situation and how jackass has gone AWOL with the mula, and that he's now facing the ban hammer.


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« Reply #115 on: Fri, 06 June 2014, 20:05:01 »
Awesome :D

Yeah, I was having trouble with that second post, so thanks for correcting me.
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« Reply #116 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 22:14:23 »
Well, I feel a little better knowing are fellow KB lovers kinda see what is going on. At least some of them are realizing DrugER isn't on the up and up with them.
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« Reply #117 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 12:37:15 »
any update on this saga?  is DrugER been found?  what are the korean sites saying now about this bull****? 

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« Reply #118 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 13:44:09 »
haven't seen anything
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« Reply #119 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 13:53:57 »
any update on this saga?  is DrugER been found?  what are the korean sites saying now about this bull****? 

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apparently the number was $100,000 and police are involved now..that's what I was hearing recently

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« Reply #120 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 13:57:11 »
yeah i just saw that

FBI/Interpol involvement in our keyboard stuff would be hilarious lol
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« Reply #121 on: Fri, 04 July 2014, 13:57:21 »
I think the idea of assassinating him is stupid, but I would be happy to start a fund to buy a ticket for one of us to go to Korea and beat the **** out of DrugER. We could even hold a lottery for who gets to do it.  You'd have to take a video of it for posting here.  I am completely serious about this.  That kid needs to have his ass kicked.

I only lost $102 but I feel so, so bad for the people that bought more, either for friends (which I've done in the past, but it worked out ok) or for inventory for their own shops.

This whole situation makes me so ****ing angry.  I will never buy anything through this site again, period.  No black mark against GH but refuse to take that risk.
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« Reply #122 on: Fri, 04 July 2014, 14:03:40 »
he's chinese iirc

and most people are pretty cool, don't let one guy put you off an entire site of cool people
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« Reply #123 on: Fri, 04 July 2014, 14:06:06 »
T-Stache, I didn't realize he was Chinese, my bad.

Any yeah, no hard feelings at all against the GHers, I'm still gonna hang out here because I love keyboards and most people here are awesome.  That's just the last time I do a group buy.

Also Shadewolf, you're welcome. :P (I bought his order off him after orders had closed)

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #124 on: Fri, 04 July 2014, 16:06:57 »
Any yeah, no hard feelings at all against the GHers, I'm still gonna hang out here because I love keyboards and most people here are awesome.  That's just the last time I do a group buy.

If you join group buys directly via pimpmykeyboard you won't get problems. Some people who have experience with GBs (like Ivan) you can absolutely trust, too.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #125 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 08:27:33 »
Any news?

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 15:14:02 »
Any news?

There were a couple of vague references in a post by girldc recently.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 15:32:33 »
I think i saw something on the Korean forums, but I've been staying away from there lately
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 16:06:48 »
LZ had some threads about the Trik PCB back when I was in the TrikX GB. Specifically, he described the requirements for LEDs. I never bothered to save that thread because I could never have anticipated what was going to happen with that douchebag Druger.

Is there any way I can get to that thread or am I screwed on this account to (I mean in addition to not getting my Dolch set from that a**wipe)?


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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #129 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 16:29:06 »
fyi I refunded everyone from my groupbuy. I missed a few people here and there or they had to accept the first attempt and it expired. If I missed anyone please send me a pm. but I am closing the dsa addons thread.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #130 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 18:41:30 »
fyi I refunded everyone from my groupbuy. I missed a few people here and there or they had to accept the first attempt and it expired. If I missed anyone please send me a pm. but I am closing the dsa addons thread.

you're a cool dude for taking the time to do that
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #131 on: Mon, 25 August 2014, 20:05:46 »
LZ had some threads about the Trik PCB back when I was in the TrikX GB. Specifically, he described the requirements for LEDs. I never bothered to save that thread because I could never have anticipated what was going to happen with that douchebag Druger.

Is there any way I can get to that thread or am I screwed on this account to (I mean in addition to not getting my Dolch set from that a**wipe)?


Cheers,

K

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 08 October 2014, 07:26:48 »
What is the latest?

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 12:30:32 »
Please someone who can read the Korean boards please provide an update. Thank you.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 14:43:44 »
Korean boards aren't talking about it openly much, at least that I've seen

My sources there don't have much either.

For all we know, he could be K3.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - TEAM REDLINE: Vendor Review
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