Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:41:02
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inspired by stealth technology.
Group buy and GIVEAWAY (https://gleam.io/lGBwM/1119-candykeys-christmas-giveaway) are live!
Head to the Groupbuy thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110195.0) for future updates and the giveaway.
presenting GMK Stealth.
(https://i.imgur.com/kFh77is.jpg)
KITTING
(https://i.imgur.com/WkhlxPJ.jpg)
Base
(https://i.imgur.com/RLcQyKm.png)
Blackout
(https://i.imgur.com/NlPiYeT.png)
Novelties
(https://i.imgur.com/UKUzAEJ.png)
Extension
(https://i.imgur.com/QsJvVBe.jpg)
NORDEUK
(https://i.imgur.com/Wfuo9U7.png)
Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/roSuWhu.png)
Spacebars
DESKMATS
(https://i.imgur.com/8vdXFhc.png)
HORIZON
(https://i.imgur.com/znso8sP.png)
BLACKOUT
(https://i.imgur.com/LXNiAYz.png)
HUD
COLORS
(https://i.imgur.com/gUOzc5f.png)
RENDERINGS
(https://i.imgur.com/NvZ2naK.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/aHsDa1u.jpg)
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IRON180 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105245.0)
(https://i.imgur.com/mz8zJ2P.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/LVeP8K7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3BilkXK.jpg)
IRON165 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101470.msg2783556#msg2783556)
(https://i.imgur.com/m11ER0r.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/CtptEgS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xmILUBX.jpg)
Alice (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95054.0)
(https://i.imgur.com/NvwE8Vi.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/Gny86cI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/umYe9nU.jpg)
EVOLV75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104531.0)
POSTER
(https://i.imgur.com/2hWtcHo.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/m9GFGhL.jpg)
I decided to take the individuality a step further with dedicated Posters that go with GMK Stealth.
You can decorate your walls matching to your Keyset and show everyone how stealthy you are.
COLLABORATIONS
RAMA WORKS (https://ramaworks.store/)
(https://i.imgur.com/iaXSFF3.png) (https://i.imgur.com/nqK2oBi.png)
HAWK_Polished
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HAWK_Matte
Keebstuff Kabelmanufaktur (https://www.instagram.com/keebstuff/?hl=de)
(https://i.imgur.com/hANuKp7.jpg)
More
(https://i.imgur.com/gvd5wKy.jpg)
Cables are available at his website (https://www.keebstuff.com/c/kabel/gmk-stealth-vorverkauf)!
Luxe Cables (https://www.instagram.com/luxecables/?hl=de)
(https://i.imgur.com/mcAzsao.jpg)
Latrialum (https://www.instagram.com/latrialum/?hl=de)
VENDORS
Project Keyboard (https://store.projectkeyboard.com/)
CandyKeys (https://candykeys.com/)
Switchkeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/)
Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/)
zFrontier (https://www.zfrontier.com/)
Monokei (https://monokei.co/)
Prototypist (https://prototypist.net/)
PRICING
(https://i.imgur.com/iWnmxQM.jpg)
SOCIAL MEDIA
(https://i.imgur.com/FbGY95X.png) (https://www.instagram.com/virtual.designworks/?hl=de) (https://i.imgur.com/jBappBy.png) (https://discord.gg/45GE9ug)
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Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:46:54
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Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:46:54
Tapatalk???? Why did you send my message so many times?
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:46:54
Post by: n.rdy on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:47:15
Post by: CustomerSupport on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:48:18
My suggestions:
- Add 1u R4 Alt to Addition kit so Tsangan/HHKB layouts who utilize the 1.5u Super keys have full coverage
- Maybe a fun alternative to "Super" could be to rename that key "Stealth"
EDIT: I really want to respond to the Google Form, but it looks like we can't choose multiple kits that we are interested in.
Also, added some suggestions after my initial excitement :)
Post by: RaiKami on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:51:16
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:52:04
Post by: dallman5 on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:54:38
Post by: Blastoise on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:59:01
Post by: Zaum.Tech on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:59:09
Post by: kwerty on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:59:57
Post by: EpicN on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:01:25
Post by: MJOLNIR on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:03:56
Either way, I'm in.
Post by: AchromiK on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:04:22
One question though, will the space bars be doubleshot or are they pad printed?
Post by: 7empest on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:08:26
Post by: Raging Panda on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:12:42
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:14:47
Love the set btw!
Post by: VXQN on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:17:50
Post by: S3LQ on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:27:54
Post by: alpaone on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:34:52
+1 for a second 1u R4 Alt.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:49:54
Post by: fropsie on Fri, 02 October 2020, 12:57:01
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Fri, 02 October 2020, 13:28:28
- Add 1u R4 Alt to Addition kit so Tsangan/HHKB layouts who utilize the 1.5u Super keys have full coverage
- Maybe a fun alternative to "Super" could be to rename that key "Stealth"
I'm taking that into consideration for a future update!
I did also fix the Google Form, so you should be able to select multiple Kits.
Can GMK do doubleshot spacebars?
Have you talked to GMK about the custom novelty spacebars? If I'm not mistaken, this would be the first GMK set with a custom spacebar. I would think this would only be doable through dyesub, but I could be wrong.
The Spacebar Novelties are pad printed. Sets like GMK Moomin did already take use of this technique for their Novelties, so it shouldn't be a problem here either.
This is definitely a more finished concept, but there was a "GMK Stealth" IC back in April.
I saw that IC, but I thought it was dead. Also considering that OP's last online time was back in April, I saw no hope in reaching him over geekhack.
If he wants to claim the name for his Set, maybe he gained back the motivation to work on his concept, he can message me and I'll talk with him about that. I mean, It's just a name and the Sets don't really have much in common besides the darker scheme.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 02 October 2020, 13:37:07
RAL 7016 is damn dark. I love it, but that often means others consider the set preposterously low contrast. Will you have color chips to compare to GMK CR and N9?
Post by: anticlockwise5 on Fri, 02 October 2020, 13:37:59
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Post by: worldtour on Fri, 02 October 2020, 14:32:44
Post by: Maniac on Fri, 02 October 2020, 14:40:54
Now if only Candykeys would start up their "GMK Fishbed" set ;D
Post by: DrHigsby on Fri, 02 October 2020, 14:52:39
Lets get started!
The 40s Kit:
- The 1.75u spacebar is a contentious little key. There are three different ways to handle the inclusion of a 1.75u spacebar:
- Include two 1.75u spacebars. The Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 use two 1.75u spacebars whereas the only keeb that uses a single 1.75u spacebar is the Vortex Core
- Include one 1.75u spacebar and the 1.75u minivan "Lock" key. This allows folks who use the Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 to use the minivan "Lock" key as one of the spacebars and for minivan users who use the 1.75u "Lock" key to not be forced to use the 1.75u spacebar. Most split bar users also do not map both split bars to be a space.
- The final option is to remove the 1.75u spacebar altogether. Among all split bars in the 40% community, the 1.75u is an odd bird.
- We'd love to see a 1.25u shift key included. This is not strictly mandatory as there are multiple 1.25u options in base kit. However, the prime_e uses 6x 1.25u modifiers AND a 1.25u shift, meaning if I were to join this GB for one of my prime_e boards, I would also have to pick up the "Additions" kit for that single 1.25u shift. This is not strictly a deal-breaker, but is definitely a nice to have key!
The Base Kit: There are a few experimental changes we are throwing around which cuts down on the number of included nav cluster keys (base kit has 12 of them) while simultaneously providing richer coverage for ortholinear layouts.
- Change R2 PgUp to R2 Out
- Change R3 PgDn to R3 Read or Data
- Change R4 End to R4 Read or Data
These potential changes would allow you to cut the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys. I understand that these alterations to existing keys may prove controversial for many 65% users who depend on correctly labelled keycaps for navigation purposes. However, be the change you want to see. I think this is worth brining up in an IC, even if the answer is a resounding no.
GLWIC![/list]
Post by: zoo on Fri, 02 October 2020, 15:10:46
Post by: Ryanticz on Fri, 02 October 2020, 15:26:45
Post by: The_Koi on Fri, 02 October 2020, 16:17:17
Post by: OtherAndrew on Fri, 02 October 2020, 16:52:02
Post by: dom on Fri, 02 October 2020, 16:59:10
Post by: SortaToast on Fri, 02 October 2020, 17:43:23
Post by: s24752 on Fri, 02 October 2020, 17:59:31
really hope this IC will go through so I can have 2 of these
Post by: Puncus on Fri, 02 October 2020, 18:17:02
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 02 October 2020, 18:57:57
Hey there! Cool set you've got here. We've been discussing your kitting over in the 40% discord and I wanted to compile and share a few community thoughts. For starters, thank you for including a 40% kit!
Lets get started!
The 40s Kit:
- The 1.75u spacebar is a contentious little key. There are three different ways to handle the inclusion of a 1.75u spacebar:
- Include two 1.75u spacebars. The Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 use two 1.75u spacebars whereas the only keeb that uses a single 1.75u spacebar is the Vortex Core
- Include one 1.75u spacebar and the 1.75u minivan "Lock" key. This allows folks who use the Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 to use the minivan "Lock" key as one of the spacebars and for minivan users who use the 1.75u "Lock" key to not be forced to use the 1.75u spacebar. Most split bar users also do not map both split bars to be a space.
- The final option is to remove the 1.75u spacebar altogether. Among all split bars in the 40% community, the 1.75u is an odd bird.
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- We'd love to see a 1.25u shift key included. This is not strictly mandatory as there are multiple 1.25u options in base kit. However, the prime_e uses 6x 1.25u modifiers AND a 1.25u shift, meaning if I were to join this GB for one of my prime_e boards, I would also have to pick up the "Additions" kit for that single 1.25u shift. This is not strictly a deal-breaker, but is definitely a nice to have key!
There are some really good points here.
I think the right way to handle 1.75u space is to add a R4 1.75u Lock key, which is required either way for Minivan support. Without it, there's not much point to having 1.75u Backspace and (to a certain extent) 1.5u Enter in the kit.
I agree with including 1.25u Shift in the kit since ISO keys aren't part of base.
On top of that, there are a few more changes that I'd make to the Extension kit. I'll summarize everything below:
- Add R4 1.75u Lock.
This key is for Minivan support and also works as a second 1.75u space substitute. - Add R4 1.25u Shift.
If you're planning on keeping ISO keys separate from base. - Remove either accent or non-accent 1.25u and 1.5u Enter keys.
These sizes are not used commonly enough to justify having both accent and non-accent options in the kit. That space could be put to much better use by having more compatibility-extending keys in the kit. - Add a second R4 1u Shift.
Not all ortho users put Enter on R4, and some of them prefer having Shifts on both sides. - Add a R3 1u Enter key.
For similar reasons as above, some ortho users prefer having Enter on R3. - Change R3 1u ⭾ to ∧ (Ctrl icon).
Tab is actually one of the less popular (https://i.imgur.com/OVofoyd.png) options for ortho keys on R3 (source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102205.msg2806656#msg2806656)), and the Ctrl icon is generic-looking enough that it can also substitute for Shift, Caps and Fn, the other popular options.
The alternative would be to have a new mold created for a >_ icon (example (https://i.imgur.com/5ZVAEFn.png)), that this and future GMK sets would be able to use. - I think the inclusion of the black 1u space keys is interesting, albeit not completely necessary.
I guess these are in the kit for aesthetic reasons (having an all-black bottom row on an ortho board), but they could also be useful for people who prefer convex Lower/Raise keys. While these keys are not exactly necessary and can be cut if the kit ends up on the expensive side, I think they're an interesting addition nonetheless. - (optional) Consider including a R1 1u Backspace key.
This is for users of ortho boards with number rows, most notably the Preonic. But I wouldn't say this is a must, as the R1 Delete, R2 Backspace configuration is already supported.
On a separate note, as Mr. CustomerSupport has already pointed out, a 1u Alt key will need to be added to the Addition kit for the 1.5u Super keys to be usable.
Post by: OmniSzron on Fri, 02 October 2020, 18:58:39
Post by: keebpleeb on Fri, 02 October 2020, 19:00:55
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Post by: daintySPLASH on Fri, 02 October 2020, 20:13:41
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 02 October 2020, 20:14:17
This is awesome. Any plans to run a dark alpha alternative kit as well?
I’d buy. Just need 98 more...
Agree about the Rama, OmniSzron
Post by: MoonOperator on Fri, 02 October 2020, 20:57:19
Post by: leexy on Fri, 02 October 2020, 21:41:14
And please keep the R3 PgUp & R4 PgDn in base kit.
Post by: SortaToast on Fri, 02 October 2020, 22:08:32
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 02 October 2020, 23:51:24
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sat, 03 October 2020, 01:19:16
Post by: RIFT on Sat, 03 October 2020, 01:41:59
Post by: Bregoli on Sat, 03 October 2020, 01:47:48
Post by: Contrakey on Sat, 03 October 2020, 01:51:23
Post by: steezkeez on Sat, 03 October 2020, 03:09:56
You should take out the orange triangle in the horizon desk mat. Only thing that keeps me from buying it. IMOi am the opposite. would not buy it without the orange triangle.
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 03 October 2020, 03:39:09
OG icon placement please
+1
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 03 October 2020, 03:39:58
OG icon placement please
+1
+2
Post by: qw3stion on Sat, 03 October 2020, 03:41:22
OG icon placement please
+1
+2
+3
Post by: VipermanGT2 on Sat, 03 October 2020, 03:41:44
+4+3OG icon placement please
+1
+2
Post by: OtherAndrew on Sat, 03 October 2020, 03:53:18
Post by: whirlwind on Sat, 03 October 2020, 05:57:26
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Sat, 03 October 2020, 08:07:07
+4+3+2OG icon placement please+1
I'm considering to add an OG Icon Mod Kit to the set.
choice of f row coloring is also strange
The thought behind this choice was it to create a darker atmosphere for the Set. Like this the darker colors are superior and they sheath the brighter alpha colors.
The Geist renders are just fantastic. This set's aesthetics, especially with those novelties, are top-notch. And the extras are the cherry on top of the cake. I think you have a real winner on your hands here, FV.Hey there! Cool set you've got here. We've been discussing your kitting over in the 40% discord and I wanted to compile and share a few community thoughts. For starters, thank you for including a 40% kit!
Lets get started!
The 40s Kit:
- The 1.75u spacebar is a contentious little key. There are three different ways to handle the inclusion of a 1.75u spacebar:
- Include two 1.75u spacebars. The Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 use two 1.75u spacebars whereas the only keeb that uses a single 1.75u spacebar is the Vortex Core
- Include one 1.75u spacebar and the 1.75u minivan "Lock" key. This allows folks who use the Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 to use the minivan "Lock" key as one of the spacebars and for minivan users who use the 1.75u "Lock" key to not be forced to use the 1.75u spacebar. Most split bar users also do not map both split bars to be a space.
- The final option is to remove the 1.75u spacebar altogether. Among all split bars in the 40% community, the 1.75u is an odd bird.
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- We'd love to see a 1.25u shift key included. This is not strictly mandatory as there are multiple 1.25u options in base kit. However, the prime_e uses 6x 1.25u modifiers AND a 1.25u shift, meaning if I were to join this GB for one of my prime_e boards, I would also have to pick up the "Additions" kit for that single 1.25u shift. This is not strictly a deal-breaker, but is definitely a nice to have key!
There are some really good points here.
I think the right way to handle 1.75u space is to add a R4 1.75u Lock key, which is required either way for Minivan support. Without it, there's not much point to having 1.75u Backspace and (to a certain extent) 1.5u Enter in the kit.
I agree with including 1.25u Shift in the kit since ISO keys aren't part of base.
On top of that, there are a few more changes that I'd make to the Extension kit. I'll summarize everything below:
- Add R4 1.75u Lock.
This key is for Minivan support and also works as a second 1.75u space substitute.- Add R4 1.25u Shift.
If you're planning on keeping ISO keys separate from base.- Remove either accent or non-accent 1.25u and 1.5u Enter keys.
These sizes are not used commonly enough to justify having both accent and non-accent options in the kit. That space could be put to much better use by having more compatibility-extending keys in the kit.- Add a second R4 1u Shift.
Not all ortho users put Enter on R4, and some of them prefer having Shifts on both sides.- Add a R3 1u Enter key.
For similar reasons as above, some ortho users prefer having Enter on R3.- Change R3 1u ⭾ to ∧ (Ctrl icon).
Tab is actually one of the less popular (https://i.imgur.com/OVofoyd.png) options for ortho keys on R3 (source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102205.msg2806656#msg2806656)), and the Ctrl icon is generic-looking enough that it can also substitute for Shift, Caps and Fn, the other popular options.
The alternative would be to have a new mold created for a >_ icon (example (https://i.imgur.com/5ZVAEFn.png)), that this and future GMK sets would be able to use.- I think the inclusion of the black 1u space keys is interesting, albeit not completely necessary.
I guess these are in the kit for aesthetic reasons (having an all-black bottom row on an ortho board), but they could also be useful for people who prefer convex Lower/Raise keys. While these keys are not exactly necessary and can be cut if the kit ends up on the expensive side, I think they're an interesting addition nonetheless.- (optional) Consider including a R1 1u Backspace key.
This is for users of ortho boards with number rows, most notably the Preonic. But I wouldn't say this is a must, as the R1 Delete, R2 Backspace configuration is already supported.
On a separate note, as Mr. CustomerSupport has already pointed out, a 1u Alt key will need to be added to the Addition kit for the 1.5u Super keys to be usable.
I will take all of these advices and recommendations into consideration. I'm working these out with my next update on this Set!
Thanks for taking your time!
Post by: dallman5 on Sat, 03 October 2020, 11:07:38
choice of f row coloring is also strange
The thought behind this choice was it to create a darker atmosphere for the Set. Like this the darker colors are superior and they sheath the brighter alpha colors.
In that case why not just use an all dark F-row? I have to agree with OtherAndrew that the current color blocking looks strange and lacks balance.
+1 for OG icon mods as well
Post by: DeusL on Sat, 03 October 2020, 12:20:07
Post by: yenel on Sat, 03 October 2020, 12:51:42
+4+3OG icon placement please
+1
+2
+1 for OG icon mods as well
+6
Post by: ZavaZ86 on Sat, 03 October 2020, 14:27:26
Post by: xmaviik on Sat, 03 October 2020, 16:32:08
Post by: OmniSzron on Sat, 03 October 2020, 17:28:15
I'm with Mario Chalmers on this one. The triangle is essential.You should take out the orange triangle in the horizon desk mat. Only thing that keeps me from buying it. IMOi am the opposite. would not buy it without the orange triangle.
Post by: preludecoda on Sat, 03 October 2020, 19:01:19
I would also love a secondary kit with RAL_9005 (DEEP BLACK) keycaps and RAL_7016 (ANTRACITE) legends so that we can have all deep black keycaps
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 03 October 2020, 22:50:12
+4+3+2OG icon placement please+1
I'm considering to add an OG Icon Mod Kit to the set.
You should know that the people who want OG icon mods want them in the base kit. They disapprove of changing the standard legends in the first place, creating this unnecessary schism. Trying to appease the people who want the original icon legends with an extra kit won't work that well, as they'll just skip this set completely rather than pay for an extra kit.
Post by: djbakasan on Sat, 03 October 2020, 23:22:31
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 03 October 2020, 23:29:27
We could finally have GMK Doom
Post by: VipermanGT2 on Sat, 03 October 2020, 23:54:41
+4+3+2OG icon placement please+1
I'm considering to add an OG Icon Mod Kit to the set.
You should know that the people who want OG icon mods want them in the base kit. They disapprove of changing the standard legends in the first place, creating this unnecessary schism. Trying to appease the people who want the original icon legends with an extra kit won't work that well, as they'll just skip this set completely rather than pay for an extra kit.
Exactly. Not sure what moron created these different mods recently, as I've seen them on a few sets...but they are a horrible design choice. I would imagine the sets that I saw with those hideous mods could have sold 30% more sets if they had just used regular mods...not this new age, terrible design. Nothing against the OP, but these new innovative design changes people are trying to make on stuff that has worked well for so long, is just moronic. Everyone thinks they're a designer nowadays...some might be designers...but it doesn't mean you're a good designer.
Just my 2 cents. Nice set tho. Will almost definitely buy if switched back to OG icon mods.
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 03 October 2020, 23:59:03
R5 would be neat too but I don't know if people are so keen on that. Please do consider classic, Icon + Text mods.
Post by: jimboytacos on Sun, 04 October 2020, 00:15:37
Post by: Beerbezerker on Sun, 04 October 2020, 03:13:29
Post by: krey on Sun, 04 October 2020, 03:52:04
Post by: xmaviik on Sun, 04 October 2020, 07:59:04
Is it possible to add support to Portuguese Layout on the Norde Kit?Or there is no possibility?
Post by: CustomerSupport on Sun, 04 October 2020, 12:02:42
[…]Not sure what moron created these different mods recently, as I've seen them on a few sets...but they are a horrible design choice. I would imagine the sets that I saw with those hideous mods could have sold 30% more sets if they had just used regular mods...not this new age, terrible design. Nothing against the OP, but these new innovative design changes people are trying to make on stuff that has worked well for so long, is just moronic.
"OK Boomer" I think is the correct response to this. Just say you don't like the centered mods and move on. I personally like them, and don't think designers need to be constrained to a key mould spec that some designer in the 70s/80s came up with arbitrarily.
Like you said here, it's a design choice that some designer(s) made to try and innovate on keysets. Just because it has worked well for so long, doesn't mean that it's right or best or whatever. If it made the set more expensive or prevented people from buying the set, that'd be a worthwhile reason to change.
Without people pushing boundaries where they can, this hobby will grow stale and stagnant.
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 04 October 2020, 12:44:06
PS: Not a fan of the spacebar "novelty", if you wanna run orange spacebars just run orange spacebars. The text is tacky.
Post by: vi0till on Sun, 04 October 2020, 12:47:16
OG icons. Great set otherwise!I am feeling the same, never been a fan of writing text on spacebar.
PS: Not a fan of the spacebar "novelty", if you wanna run orange spacebars just run orange spacebars. The text is tacky.
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Post by: baccaan on Sun, 04 October 2020, 16:10:01
Post by: mongoose27 on Sun, 04 October 2020, 18:19:59
Post by: pandapau on Sun, 04 October 2020, 20:59:25
I was googling your GMK Stealth set when another popped out and seems like it was some time ago...
I think you should discuss with this guy on the naming of this set because they have the same name?
I don't know just letting you know I found another with the same name...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105445.0
Post by: Freeaboo on Sun, 04 October 2020, 22:49:35
Post by: JKNY on Mon, 05 October 2020, 00:16:38
For those wanting dark alphas, I'm sure there will be GMK Dark extras.
For those expecting the designer to change everything to suit them, curb your self-importance and consider that this set might not be for you
Post by: eyeon on Mon, 05 October 2020, 01:01:07
1. If i want alice and 40s support would need to get "extension" and "addition" resulting in a bunch of redundant keys when the only ones from "addition" that would matter in that scenario is the 1.5 super and B key. Having those keys moved to 40s and a separate kit for ISO support would be preferable.
2. Not a dealbreaker by any stretch but a 3u spacebar would be nice.
I actually like the different colors in the F row though to balance it out maybe toggle the colors on F1-F12. The accent spacebar color looks good but I don't care for the text on it.
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 05 October 2020, 03:20:21
+1 for the nordekit :cool:
Post by: Etmost on Mon, 05 October 2020, 03:20:31
Post by: VXQN on Mon, 05 October 2020, 04:38:24
Post by: baccaan on Mon, 05 October 2020, 11:59:04
For those wanting dark alphas, I'm sure there will be GMK Dark extras.
As I see it, GMK Dark has black legends on a dark grey base, whereas a blackout alphas set here would have grey legends on a black base. Therefore, I think a dedicated set here would make sense.
Post by: Starston3 on Mon, 05 October 2020, 12:35:32
My only suggestion is to add 2 1.5u Super and an extra 1u Alt keys in the base for those that use *nix/Mac and prefer Tsagan. If not possible, 2 1.5u Danger keys in the Novelty kit would resolve that issue.
Post by: CustomerSupport on Mon, 05 October 2020, 15:07:53
tbh... I don't care if it uses the old icon or new icon mods. I'm sure the vast majority don't either.
My only suggestion is to add 2 1.5u Super and an extra 1u Alt keys in the base for those that use *nix/Mac and prefer Tsagan. If not possible, 2 1.5u Danger keys in the Novelty kit would resolve that issue.
+1 on all this
Post by: minokeys on Mon, 05 October 2020, 15:37:34
Post by: keyosc on Mon, 05 October 2020, 16:22:02
Post by: kumori on Mon, 05 October 2020, 20:09:12
Post by: Stev!e on Mon, 05 October 2020, 21:51:56
Post by: Jo_hannes on Tue, 06 October 2020, 01:34:08
Post by: prizeS on Tue, 06 October 2020, 01:45:52
Post by: gilbert on Tue, 06 October 2020, 08:29:34
Post by: CandyKeys on Thu, 08 October 2020, 06:52:44
Very nice indeed. +1 for NorDe :thumb: Getting in on this for sure.
Now if only Candykeys would start up their "GMK Fishbed" set ;D
I hear you, there is some developments but we are waiting for GMK times to calm down.
Post by: maximize on Thu, 08 October 2020, 11:01:08
Post by: bigmaxnonions on Fri, 09 October 2020, 22:36:25
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Fri, 09 October 2020, 23:51:14
Post by: nicx on Sat, 10 October 2020, 00:39:42
Post by: JoltFX on Sat, 10 October 2020, 02:03:30
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
Post by: santela on Sat, 10 October 2020, 02:42:57
Post by: tech.spaghetti on Sun, 11 October 2020, 12:46:44
Post by: kevorgod on Mon, 12 October 2020, 13:58:21
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Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Fri, 16 October 2020, 21:47:08
Post by: pdiddy on Tue, 20 October 2020, 20:14:13
Post by: Jm_123 on Wed, 21 October 2020, 06:46:01
Post by: elmo on Wed, 21 October 2020, 06:51:39
Not bad design; think you need to work on making it a little stealthier so I don't ever have to see this again in my life.
nice ****posting alt...
Post by: Alga on Wed, 21 October 2020, 07:06:08
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Fri, 23 October 2020, 16:01:38
This update features the change to OG Icons.
Monokei as SEA Vendor.
Additional Blackout Kit.
Refined Extension / Additions and Numpad Kit.
Added Novelties.
Added new and reworked renderings.
Post by: Larschki on Fri, 23 October 2020, 16:17:51
Post by: OtherAndrew on Fri, 23 October 2020, 16:33:01
could maybe add an orange inverted triangle caps lock novelty, or change the orange triangle enter to a caps lock. three different enters is nice but you can only use one at a time
Post by: ThomDanks on Fri, 23 October 2020, 17:57:34
Post by: mozaic on Fri, 23 October 2020, 18:39:10
Post by: eyeon on Sat, 24 October 2020, 00:15:57
Post by: BioOrpheus on Sat, 24 October 2020, 00:53:02
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Sat, 24 October 2020, 05:36:41
I cannot remember what the original kitting was but the current one not having a R3 control key seems to be a significant miss. I am not sure if this is intentional, if i just didn't notice it or it just happens to be missing from the renders.
I decided to inculde a R3 Icon Control Key to the Additions kit. This was one of many cost saving decisions to keep the Base Kit as small as possible.
Post by: xmaviik on Sat, 24 October 2020, 07:31:35
Best regards
Post by: Pestilence204 on Sat, 24 October 2020, 14:53:13
Post by: alpaone on Sat, 24 October 2020, 15:41:37
Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm not a fan of the OG icons. They look out of place to me. I preferred it how it was before. Otherwise, love the set.
I also preferred the Dixie icons.
Post by: ljyel on Sat, 24 October 2020, 18:06:02
Post by: JueVioleGrace on Sat, 24 October 2020, 18:29:06
very nice update
could maybe add an orange inverted triangle caps lock novelty, or change the orange triangle enter to a caps lock. three different enters is nice but you can only use one at a time
i was hoping one of those can be used as a left shift like the 'matrix' in gmk matrix
Post by: Fredington on Sat, 24 October 2020, 19:32:24
very nice update
could maybe add an orange inverted triangle caps lock novelty, or change the orange triangle enter to a caps lock. three different enters is nice but you can only use one at a time
100% agree.
I cannot remember what the original kitting was but the current one not having a R3 control key seems to be a significant miss. I am not sure if this is intentional, if i just didn't notice it or it just happens to be missing from the renders.
100% agree, as well. Not having R3 1.75u Control in the Base kit is going to be a no go for me.
Post by: ..//dexx on Sun, 25 October 2020, 06:52:46
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Post by: RaiKami on Thu, 29 October 2020, 11:13:23
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Thu, 29 October 2020, 13:56:42
It covers all sizes of Spacebars besides the black Numkeys for the Numpad.
Post by: Rafa_n on Thu, 29 October 2020, 14:07:55
Post by: ivylab on Thu, 29 October 2020, 16:42:11
I wish that this existed as a 1U key for Escape instead of the completely colored one:
(https://i.imgur.com/QOw9T1n.png)
What do you think?
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 29 October 2020, 17:40:37
Post by: steezkeez on Thu, 29 October 2020, 19:24:34
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 30 October 2020, 04:28:14
Post by: ThePizzaProdigy on Mon, 02 November 2020, 16:01:40
Post by: Surostu on Mon, 02 November 2020, 22:19:52
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 03 November 2020, 03:59:10
Take a look at how the HIVE set made a superb spacebar which was unique but also just subtle and in keeping with the overall feel of that set.
I hope you consider my suggestions as I really love this set and would love it as a daily driver on several boards.
Post by: yap68 on Tue, 03 November 2020, 09:46:00
Post by: Pestilence204 on Sat, 07 November 2020, 03:24:48
Also, I've said it before but I seem to be in the minority, I preferred the Dixie icons over the OG icons. I don't hate the OG icons as much as I did when I first saw them as I've kind of gotten used to them, but I still preferred them how they were. The Rev.0 base kit was perfect IMO.
Post by: Crunchbite on Sat, 07 November 2020, 16:45:05
Post by: njrobb on Sat, 07 November 2020, 16:51:37
Post by: maximize on Sat, 07 November 2020, 20:56:31
I have a Prime E I am hoping to put this set on. In the Rukia render, there are black space bars, but I don't see in the kitting where I would get those. Am I just missing them or are there no black space bars available with this set?
Astute observation! It looks like they should be in either the Addition or Extension kit. I believe Addition has the correct size of spacebars, but they are currently rendered as gray.
Post by: genevatypes on Sun, 08 November 2020, 02:20:56
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Sun, 08 November 2020, 05:46:06
I have a Prime E I am hoping to put this set on. In the Rukia render, there are black space bars, but I don't see in the kitting where I would get those. Am I just missing them or are there no black space bars available with this set?
Don't worry, the kitting is going to be updated very soon!
Post by: U_Mage25 on Sun, 08 November 2020, 18:08:18
Post by: tacotemptations on Sun, 08 November 2020, 19:15:59
Post by: hpkb on Mon, 09 November 2020, 14:25:24
Post by: Dave_Lister on Mon, 09 November 2020, 14:46:13
Post by: zxer on Mon, 09 November 2020, 17:20:05
I’m in for base, blackout, addition and extension.
Post by: Marcus_Neistat on Tue, 10 November 2020, 10:21:07
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 10 November 2020, 10:49:55
Post by: sevennationarmy on Fri, 20 November 2020, 00:23:12
I'm so excited for this set! I'm probably getting 1 of everything!
Post by: Perch on Fri, 20 November 2020, 02:29:07
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Fri, 20 November 2020, 17:13:00
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Sat, 21 November 2020, 17:37:51
Post by: Jefff on Sat, 21 November 2020, 17:41:16
Post by: robbieheart on Sat, 21 November 2020, 18:48:45
Post by: Fredington on Sat, 21 November 2020, 19:24:41
Also, I'd like to throw in some more support for the idea that two of the three novelty Enter keys could be moved to other keys, like Caps Lock or Shift or Backspace.
Post by: RA Can on Sat, 21 November 2020, 19:34:41
Post by: santela on Sat, 21 November 2020, 23:25:25
Post by: hkhawk on Sun, 22 November 2020, 00:10:37
I saw the extra B in the blackout kit, but I didn't see one for the base kit colors, yet the render shows an alice layout with the extra B. Just wanna know if that's gonna be included in the base or any other kit?
I was going to post this, I noticed the same thing
Post by: The Cat Whisperer on Sun, 22 November 2020, 00:17:34
Post by: tngpq on Sun, 22 November 2020, 00:30:50
I saw the extra B in the blackout kit, but I didn't see one for the base kit colors, yet the render shows an alice layout with the extra B. Just wanna know if that's gonna be included in the base or any other kit?
I was going to post this, I noticed the same thing
I also want to point this out. If I remember correctly, previous iterations had an extra base alpha B. Now the kitting is incomplete. Are we supposed to buy the numpad kit only to get one 1u R4 in the base alpha color?
Post by: Blacksmyth on Sun, 22 November 2020, 01:34:16
Post by: ubmit on Sun, 22 November 2020, 01:49:29
Post by: dibstern on Sun, 22 November 2020, 02:23:04
Post by: jaekid on Sun, 22 November 2020, 02:43:15
Post by: lakeboredom on Sun, 22 November 2020, 03:58:54
Post by: elmo on Sun, 22 November 2020, 05:01:55
Post by: manzel on Sun, 22 November 2020, 06:59:43
And I think that R3 icon Ctrl looks bad. I get that you want to have the icon between all the other icons, but the Ctrl icon is just ugly. What about a text R3 Ctrl and those who want icons just use the Caps Lock key? Well, this is what I will do if only the icon Ctrl is available.
Lastly, thank you for including those 1.5u Stealth/Super keys!
Post by: Diggidy on Sun, 22 November 2020, 07:15:41
Post by: santela on Sun, 22 November 2020, 08:36:36
I don't like the fact that mod-colored tilde and pipe are missing from the base kit. Well, they are present in the Blackout kit, but this is quite expensive for just these two keys. Does not really matter for me, though, since I like Blackout better anyway (Blackout base possibly?).
And I think that R3 icon Ctrl looks bad. I get that you want to have the icon between all the other icons, but the Ctrl icon is just ugly. What about a text R3 Ctrl and those who want icons just use the Caps Lock key? Well, this is what I will do if only the icon Ctrl is available.
Lastly, thank you for including those 1.5u Stealth/Super keys!
Yeah quite a few keys are missing from the base kit imo.
- Dark tilda
- Dark pipe
- Regular mod colored enter and esc
- Extra B
- Black out kit has an extra tab key that is redundant.
Honestly I don't care about any of these other than not having the extra B in the base kit since I'm also getting the black out kit anyways, but the kitting so far is pretty weird.
Post by: elmo on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:22:28
Yeah quite a few keys are missing from the base kit imo.
- Dark tilda
- Dark pipe
- Regular mod colored enter and esc
- Extra B
- Black out kit has an extra tab key that is redundant.
Honestly I don't care about any of these other than not having the extra B in the base kit since I'm also getting the black out kit anyways, but the kitting so far is pretty weird.
tbh this.
also if you have text mods on the bottom row the r3 control should be text only too. not a randomly placed icon.
I think a lot of people would prefer the basekit to be $10 more and include those keys instead of saving money on the wrong end.
Post by: donny_pete on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:26:36
Post by: of_sam on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:48:46
Post by: yoniwolf1202 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:52:46
Post by: jm8080 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:07:27
Post by: radar on Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:51:48
Post by: Sun on Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:58:58
Post by: baccaan on Sun, 22 November 2020, 14:23:28
Agree with what others are saying about how the kitting is weird now. I understand from a cost perspective, but it seems like a few main keys are missing from the base kit (e.g. pipe and tilde)
Post by: marcofriedrichs on Sun, 22 November 2020, 14:25:51
Post by: Digmo on Sun, 22 November 2020, 14:53:38
Post by: ab042896 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 15:09:48
idk man, I like the colors of the set but wtf is that kitting
I mean, this is not an uncommon kit arrangement for a GMK set. What aspect of the kitting are speaking about?
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 22 November 2020, 16:01:37
Yeah quite a few keys are missing from the base kit imo.
- Dark tilda
- Dark pipe
- Regular mod colored enter and esc
- Extra B
- Black out kit has an extra tab key that is redundant.
Honestly I don't care about any of these other than not having the extra B in the base kit since I'm also getting the black out kit anyways, but the kitting so far is pretty weird.
tbh this.
also if you have text mods on the bottom row the r3 control should be text only too. not a randomly placed icon.
I think a lot of people would prefer the basekit to be $10 more and include those keys instead of saving money on the wrong end.
Agreed. R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn are also missing now; they've been removed since the last update.
Post by: hpkb on Sun, 22 November 2020, 17:15:41
Post by: yap68 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 22:00:40
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 23 November 2020, 06:22:13
Post by: elmo on Mon, 23 November 2020, 06:46:19
This is a nice set, but no numpad in the base hurts since I actually use an 1800.
numpad in base massively increases the price of that kit and there a lot more people that use boards without numpads in this hobby than people that need it.
so having it as an extra kit is imho the best way to do it. Because I certainly don't want to pay for one if I don't ever use it.
Post by: SpaceyCasey on Mon, 23 November 2020, 06:48:06
Post by: Adqam64 on Mon, 23 November 2020, 07:52:04
Post by: zxer on Mon, 23 November 2020, 07:56:31
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 23 November 2020, 08:08:27
This is a nice set, but no numpad in the base hurts since I actually use an 1800.
numpad in base massively increases the price of that kit and there a lot more people that use boards without numpads in this hobby than people that need it.
so having it as an extra kit is imho the best way to do it. Because I certainly don't want to pay for one if I don't ever use it.
That's not how GMK pricing works. For low MOQ sets (250-500), numpad in base adds only about $10, whereas separating it can easily make it a $40 child kit depending on how many keys are included. Separating numpad only really makes sense for high MOQ sets (1000) where the low cost of the base kit can offset the higher price of the child kits like numpad. I think this set can easily hit that MOQ so it makes sense that Virtual is attempting this kit breakdown.
Post by: directheatedtriode on Mon, 23 November 2020, 08:25:20
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 23 November 2020, 08:34:22
This is a nice set, but no numpad in the base hurts since I actually use an 1800.
numpad in base massively increases the price of that kit and there a lot more people that use boards without numpads in this hobby than people that need it.
so having it as an extra kit is imho the best way to do it. Because I certainly don't want to pay for one if I don't ever use it.
That's not how GMK pricing works. For low MOQ sets (250-500), numpad in base adds only about $10, whereas separating it can easily make it a $40 child kit depending on how many keys are included. Separating numpad only really makes sense for high MOQ sets (1000) where the low cost of the base kit can offset the higher price of the child kits like numpad. I think this set can easily hit that MOQ so it makes sense that Virtual is attempting this kit breakdown.
I agree.
Post by: cadrev on Mon, 23 November 2020, 08:51:54
This set needs at least one or two renders in normal lighting because I have a feeling many people are going to underestimate just how bright that grey/blue 7016 looks in the daytime.
I agree with this, the render from werk.technica instagram on his keyboard with a bit of proper lighting shows how the grey can change vastly vs to what is presented in this IC as "stealth". I'm still looking forward to this but at least a render on proper lighting sets realistic expectations for us buyers.
Post by: Techichi on Tue, 24 November 2020, 10:33:11
In for the base, blackout, horizon deskmat, and the keebstuff cable. My wallet hates you.
Post by: WetRacoon on Tue, 24 November 2020, 14:09:02
What are the chances of a full 40s kit? :P
Post by: JoltFX on Tue, 24 November 2020, 19:21:30
Any chance of a proper 40s kit? Really want to put this on the whimsy, but it doesn't look like it has the 1.25 enter. The only other 1.25 is the tab which would be used, and the shift is R4, not R3. No 1.5 shift, but I could always use one of the other keys for that (like the control or stealth key).Would be interested in a 40s as well
What are the chances of a full 40s kit? :P
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
Post by: aiwa501 on Tue, 24 November 2020, 22:05:54
Post by: Assthetic on Tue, 24 November 2020, 22:06:34
Blackout Base Kit and I'm in.
Amen, brother. I'd be all over this.
Post by: Xaiful on Wed, 25 November 2020, 01:23:21
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 25 November 2020, 04:53:15
Any chance of a proper 40s kit? Really want to put this on the whimsy, but it doesn't look like it has the 1.25 enter. The only other 1.25 is the tab which would be used, and the shift is R4, not R3. No 1.5 shift, but I could always use one of the other keys for that (like the control or stealth key).Would be interested in a 40s as well
What are the chances of a full 40s kit? :P
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
There is going to be one more kitting update before the GB. You guys will be happy with the updated 40s kit — the Shift has been fixed, and there is a 1.25u Enter. As a prospective Whimsy owner myself, I also appreciate this addition. :)
Post by: Sun on Wed, 25 November 2020, 15:48:46
Blackout Base Kit and I'm in.
Amen, brother. I'd be all over this.
Same. I am 40% in the way it is right now because of how much more it would be to buy the Blackout alphas. If Blackout Base, then I'm 100% in.
Post by: Diggidy on Wed, 25 November 2020, 19:31:46
Post by: mozaic on Wed, 25 November 2020, 21:24:47
Post by: eyeon on Wed, 25 November 2020, 22:20:06
Any chance for the icon mods to have centered icons, instead of on the top left? Similar to GMK 9009 R3
That's how the kit originally was in the first iteration and it got changed presumably based on comments earlier in the thread, so I doubt it would change back now.
Post by: eyeon on Wed, 25 November 2020, 22:36:13
The kitting is much better than it was earlier especially like the 1.5U super/stealth keys in the base kit, only other addition I could think of are these two:
1. maybe a 1.5U R4 function key somewhere in the kit.
2. given the icon only control has such a small icon have a stepped icon control option.
Post by: Sun on Thu, 26 November 2020, 00:37:56
It would just be more affordable if there was a full Blackout base kit available as well for those only interested in the all black look.
Post by: Jo_hannes on Thu, 26 November 2020, 06:35:49
Any chance for the icon mods to have centered icons, instead of on the top left? Similar to GMK 9009 R3
Do you want Emir to come in here screaming? Because he will come in here screaming. Also: Please keep the classic modifiers and complete the 40s kit. Thank you. :)
Post by: WetRacoon on Thu, 26 November 2020, 16:43:38
Any chance of a proper 40s kit? Really want to put this on the whimsy, but it doesn't look like it has the 1.25 enter. The only other 1.25 is the tab which would be used, and the shift is R4, not R3. No 1.5 shift, but I could always use one of the other keys for that (like the control or stealth key).Would be interested in a 40s as well
What are the chances of a full 40s kit? :P
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
There is going to be one more kitting update before the GB. You guys will be happy with the updated 40s kit — the Shift has been fixed, and there is a 1.25u Enter. As a prospective Whimsy owner myself, I also appreciate this addition. :)
Well this is awesome news then. 100% in.
Post by: zxer on Fri, 27 November 2020, 04:27:48
Is it worth doing a poll to see if enough folks want a full blackout base kit?
Post by: Diggidy on Fri, 27 November 2020, 13:30:13
I think this kit absolutely needs mods and alphas to be a different color, if the base was all blacked out (and it became essentially just a gray on black set) i would be out on this set.
The kitting is much better than it was earlier especially like the 1.5U super/stealth keys in the base kit, only other addition I could think of are these two:
1. maybe a 1.5U R4 function key somewhere in the kit.
2. given the icon only control has such a small icon have a stepped icon control option.
This is just preference. I feel the exact opposite - I am only interested in a blackout kit. That's why I think it would be best to have an independent TKL Mods kit and sell the two different alpha sets separate, as SO many other keysets have done recently.
Post by: elmo on Fri, 27 November 2020, 15:22:42
I think this kit absolutely needs mods and alphas to be a different color, if the base was all blacked out (and it became essentially just a gray on black set) i would be out on this set.
The kitting is much better than it was earlier especially like the 1.5U super/stealth keys in the base kit, only other addition I could think of are these two:
1. maybe a 1.5U R4 function key somewhere in the kit.
2. given the icon only control has such a small icon have a stepped icon control option.
This is just preference. I feel the exact opposite - I am only interested in a blackout kit. That's why I think it would be best to have an independent TKL Mods kit and sell the two different alpha sets separate, as SO many other keysets have done recently.
I don't think GMK does kits like that.
It's only like that for KAT, KAM or JTK sets (and whatever other profiles there are now).
Post by: Freeaboo on Fri, 27 November 2020, 18:25:08
In theory GMK will make any kitting you throw at them, but in practice having alphas separate from mods is really impractical with the way GMK's pricing is set up.I think this kit absolutely needs mods and alphas to be a different color, if the base was all blacked out (and it became essentially just a gray on black set) i would be out on this set.
The kitting is much better than it was earlier especially like the 1.5U super/stealth keys in the base kit, only other addition I could think of are these two:
1. maybe a 1.5U R4 function key somewhere in the kit.
2. given the icon only control has such a small icon have a stepped icon control option.
This is just preference. I feel the exact opposite - I am only interested in a blackout kit. That's why I think it would be best to have an independent TKL Mods kit and sell the two different alpha sets separate, as SO many other keysets have done recently.
I don't think GMK does kits like that.
It's only like that for KAT, KAM or JTK sets (and whatever other profiles there are now).
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Post by: Caspid on Mon, 30 November 2020, 02:01:05
Post by: jlndk on Tue, 01 December 2020, 15:57:08
Especially to express my support for the NORDEUK kit
Post by: jonnybueno on Tue, 01 December 2020, 21:39:32
Post by: mrvco on Tue, 01 December 2020, 22:49:00
Post by: paulforgione on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:55:41
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 04 December 2020, 01:37:35
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Sun, 06 December 2020, 16:44:53
Stealth is going live on December 16th!
The kitting had some rework. Should be better now.
Post by: zxer on Sun, 06 December 2020, 16:51:07
Post by: arremkay on Sun, 06 December 2020, 17:08:12
Post by: Adqam64 on Sun, 06 December 2020, 17:14:03
Full ISO blackout still not possible to achieve anymore. This was possible in the first kitting arrangement.
The failure to include ISO-UK support in blackout is very disappointing.
Post by: clackeys on Sun, 06 December 2020, 17:19:27
Post by: zxer on Sun, 06 December 2020, 17:26:28
Full ISO blackout still not possible to achieve anymore. This was possible in the first kitting arrangement.
The failure to include ISO-UK support in blackout is very disappointing.
Personally I prefer the blackout and would have it as a main kit, with blackout nordeuk.
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 06 December 2020, 18:14:38
Full ISO blackout still not possible to achieve anymore. This was possible in the first kitting arrangement.
The failure to include ISO-UK support in blackout is very disappointing.
Personally I prefer the blackout and would have it as a main kit, with blackout nordeuk.
Guys, one thing really needs to be said here, and that's that despite the fact that both of you seem to have created Geekhack accounts for the sole purpose of commenting about ISO-UK support in this and a few other GMK ICs, actual ISO-UK users as a whole still remain a statistical minority that is hardly worth a keyset designer going especially out of their way to support. Community surveys show this, and group buy sales statistics also show this. There's also the issue of the remaining 95%+ of users having to pay extra for your keys, keys which most of them have no use for. You hardly ever see other groups of ISO users (some of which are larger, e.g. NorDe) be this fussy about keys for their layouts. Why can't you be happy with the basic ISO compromise solution that seems to work fine for everyone else?
Post by: zxer on Sun, 06 December 2020, 18:28:15
I’m aware - but got to voice preference. I see more support for ISO options in recent group buys.
Also ISO-UK was catered for in the original blackout kitting. It is also catered for in the grey colour option.
Post by: Techichi on Sun, 06 December 2020, 18:50:04
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 06 December 2020, 18:54:10
Thanks for your reply.
I’m aware - but got to voice preference. I see more support for ISO options in recent group buys.
Also ISO-UK was catered for in the original blackout kitting. It is also catered for in the grey colour option.
Of course, voicing preference is always a good thing, and it's what ICs are for — no issues there. It's just that at some point it can start to feel a bit repetitive and overbearing. Take it from me, I've been guilty of it many times in the past. Now, I can't speak for the designer, but since the gray colorway is the main colorway of the set and blackout is an alternative option, it makes sense that they wouldn't have the same amount of compatibility offered. Maybe if there's a R2 run of the set, blackout can be made the main colorway with enough demand. As for the other thing, I suspect that it was done to cut the cost of the kit by a bit.
Post by: joshuarubin on Sun, 06 December 2020, 19:04:25
Post by: JoltFX on Sun, 06 December 2020, 19:05:27
FWIW I prefer the standard, not blackout base. I just want to make sure there is vocal support for the kits as planned. Also, I want to thank konstantin for the measured and very well written response.Agree with this... I know there’s a variety of opinion but I plan on both kits :)
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
Post by: Desperado. on Sun, 06 December 2020, 20:07:33
Post by: NathanAlphaMan on Sun, 06 December 2020, 20:21:39
are the legends doubleshot or see through? just curious if they allow rgb through. the color makes it seem that way.
The legends are double shot
Post by: iinko_mk on Sun, 06 December 2020, 22:47:10
Post by: Ram on Mon, 07 December 2020, 00:18:09
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 07 December 2020, 04:16:28
Post by: VellFlamm on Mon, 07 December 2020, 04:46:03
GL with the GB anyway. I do still like the overall theme, and I'll be getting that RAMA artisan.
Post by: Adqam64 on Mon, 07 December 2020, 04:56:31
Guys, one thing really needs to be said here, and that's that despite the fact that both of you seem to have created Geekhack accounts for the sole purpose of commenting about ISO-UK support in this and a few other GMK ICs, actual ISO-UK users as a whole still remain a statistical minority that is hardly worth a keyset designer going especially out of their way to support. Community surveys show this, and group buy sales statistics also show this. There's also the issue of the remaining 95%+ of users having to pay extra for your keys, keys which most of them have no use for. You hardly ever see other groups of ISO users (some of which are larger, e.g. NorDe) be this fussy about keys for their layouts. Why can't you be happy with the basic ISO compromise solution that seems to work fine for everyone else?
I use QWERTY for compatibility with other keyboards in my household and workplace. It is important for me that my family and colleagues can use my keyboard without any confusion. Since I live in the UK, I exclusively use ISO-UK since it is the layout on all the keyboards around me. The basic compromise of ISO-US still has a few keys wrong which has, when I've tried it, lead to confusion in the past. I accept that ISO-UK is a minority compared to others and acknowledge that I won't always be able to buy every kit I want. However, of course I will speak up for representation when a kit is in IC and the kitting has yet to be finalised! This hobby is all about preference and people rock all sorts of unusual layouts and strange kittings. I'm just making sure that kit designers recognise that the "basic ISO comprimise" doesn't work for everyone and they may be missing out on at least one more sale due to the lack of one particular kind of support - just like many other people asking for particularly sized shifts etc. The kit designer is free to do what they want.
Unusually, this particular set was first launched with ISO-UK support in the base kit and the blackout kit. I got very excited when this kit was launched! There have been a few GMK kits which do this since I got into the hobby and I have participated in the GBs for two of them. However, in this case, ISO-UK support was later removed from the base kits and put into the expensive NorDeUK kit. I much prefer this option to no support at all but obviously the economics of purchasing the set change given NorDeUK kits often cost ~€75. It's particularly disappointing on this set since I have lost any way of having a blackout ISO-UK set when I had already got excited about it.
And, yes, I use this account almost exclusively to request ISO-UK support. I'm active on other forums in this hobby where I do much more than say "ISO-UK pls" (I say that there too) but am under the impression that this site is the best way to provide feedback during IC, so I created an account for this purpose.
Post by: zxer on Mon, 07 December 2020, 05:13:37
Of course, voicing preference is always a good thing, and it's what ICs are for — no issues there. It's just that at some point it can start to feel a bit repetitive and overbearing. Take it from me, I've been guilty of it many times in the past. Now, I can't speak for the designer, but since the gray colorway is the main colorway of the set and blackout is an alternative option, it makes sense that they wouldn't have the same amount of compatibility offered. Maybe if there's a R2 run of the set, blackout can be made the main colorway with enough demand. As for the other thing, I suspect that it was done to cut the cost of the kit by a bit.
I don't think there was anything overbearing about the mentions of ISO support in this thread? There are four or five folks mentioning thanks for inclusion initially.
I'd be keen to see anyone that is interested in ISO support for blackout make this clear by posting the thread. I think this keyset has potential to be a big seller, and as such more likely to meet minimum order quantities on less common options.
Guys, one thing really needs to be said here, and that's that despite the fact that both of you seem to have created Geekhack accounts for the sole purpose of commenting about ISO-UK support in this and a few other GMK ICs, actual ISO-UK users as a whole still remain a statistical minority that is hardly worth a keyset designer going especially out of their way to support.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't create my account here to voice support for ISO UK. We have five folks in this thread alone voicing support for ISO UK. Yes a minority but why not at least attempt to cater for the minority too? It's only a few extra keys.
You hardly ever see other groups of ISO users (some of which are larger, e.g. NorDe) be this fussy about keys for their layouts. Why can't you be happy with the basic ISO compromise solution that seems to work fine for everyone else?
I don't think I am being fussy - it is just the layout I've been used to for decades - with keys in different places, different layouts are annoying to use and I only consider keycap options that support ISO UK. I've no interest in kicking up a stink here, but your tone reads a little confrontational - like you have history with this particular matter that is a bit sour? I see your name is mentioned in the help with kitting. Was it your recommendation to remove ISO UK support from the blackout option? Something like https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-olivia-iso_1489/ would cover everything.
Now, to put ISO UK to the side again - and back to subject the blackout kit. I've already mentioned my preference is the darker blackout colour. I see it is also the colourway used first image in the thread. Like it is the dominant option. I think a separate blackout base kit and blackout nordeuk kit is worth throwing into the mix. If min order quantities are not met, then fair enough. I would buy one of each in this case. I think blackout may even end up the more popular option though if it were a separate kit.
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 07 December 2020, 06:34:50
Specifically with this set (GMK Stealth) I still feel that the minimal, sleek, understated design is somewhat ruined by the lettering on the space bars and the enter caps. Having said that, I will most likely be buying all sets in this.
Post by: zxer on Mon, 07 December 2020, 06:45:53
Post by: CustomerSupport on Mon, 07 December 2020, 11:02:31
Guys, one thing really needs to be said here, and that's that despite the fact that both of you seem to have created Geekhack accounts for the sole purpose of commenting about ISO-UK support in this and a few other GMK ICs, actual ISO-UK users as a whole still remain a statistical minority that is hardly worth a keyset designer going especially out of their way to support.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't create my account here to voice support for ISO UK. We have five folks in this thread alone voicing support for ISO UK. Yes a minority but why not at least attempt to cater for the minority too? It's only a few extra keys.
That minority has been catered to, which is why most sets don’t offer ISO-UK, since it’s such a minuscule number. Adding “a few extra keys” doesn’t seem like a big deal until it adds $15 to the NorDe kit and causes people to not buy that kit.
I think the orange accent ESC and ENTER keys would be better as optional too - perhaps in the extension, or just omit them, and if folks want accent colours they can use the novelties?
The orange is the defining factor of this design, otherwise this is a slightly different GMK Dark. The accents allow just the slightest pop of color that gives this set character.
Not everyone gets the novelties, and like others have mentioned, the multicolored kit is the vision of the set as the designer intended.
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 December 2020, 11:15:34
I think the orange accent ESC and ENTER keys would be better as optional too - perhaps in the extension, or just omit them, and if folks want accent colours they can use the novelties?
The orange is the defining factor of this design, otherwise this is a slightly different GMK Dark. The accents allow just the slightest pop of color that gives this set character.
Not everyone gets the novelties, and like others have mentioned, the multicolored kit is the vision of the set as the designer intended.
I agree with this.
Post by: zxer on Mon, 07 December 2020, 11:49:45
That minority has been catered to, which is why most sets don’t offer ISO-UK, since it’s such a minuscule number. Adding “a few extra keys” doesn’t seem like a big deal until it adds $15 to the NorDe kit and causes people to not buy that kit.
Can you confirm what you mean by "That minority has been catered to"? Like I already mentioned, the more popular the set, the less likely ISO kits are to not meet MOQ. I am not sure what your point is here. This kit does have a full NORDEUK kit already that does have the "few extra keys" to achieve ISO UK layout.
I think there needs to be some balance in the thinking here. It's easy enough for folks to say don't bother as it's a minority when they are not in that minority. However I think folks that prefer ISO already know they have to fork out more to get the kit they want, and as such buy NORDEUK kits when they can. The problem here is not that ISO options are not available at all, just that they are not available for the blackout option.
I know the more that is added, the more complex kit decisions become for folks, and can detract from sales when one option competes with another. Inclusion of a blackout NORDEUK would sort things out in terms of options. However it could split things too much in terms of sales depending on how popular the group buy is (I'm expecting it may be pretty popular). Something like the attached image may be worth considering?
The orange is the defining factor of this design, otherwise this is a slightly different GMK Dark. The accents allow just the slightest pop of color that gives this set character.I don't dislike the orange in the design and don't want to detract from the designers vision - as it is great. I think there should at least be an combination of options to not have the orange ESC and ENTER if you didn't want them, like others have mentioned ;-)
Not everyone gets the novelties, and like others have mentioned, the multicolored kit is the vision of the set as the designer intended.
Is this thread the only 'official' discussion for this group buy, or is there a discord or similar too where things have been discussed in more depth already?
Post by: Sun on Mon, 07 December 2020, 19:25:03
I think the orange accent ESC and ENTER keys would be better as optional too - perhaps in the extension, or just omit them, and if folks want accent colours they can use the novelties?
The orange is the defining factor of this design, otherwise this is a slightly different GMK Dark. The accents allow just the slightest pop of color that gives this set character.
Not everyone gets the novelties, and like others have mentioned, the multicolored kit is the vision of the set as the designer intended.
I agree with this.
I completely agree that the set designer should stick to their vision and include the keys they feel are essential to the set. I personally like those keys and would use them myself. But the lack of an optional non orange in the base might keep people from buying it. I am not a fan of these small base sets because I like the flexibility of a large kit. I end up paying more money having to buy multiple child kits. But this is just my personal opinion and might not be what is best for a GB run.
Post by: santela on Mon, 07 December 2020, 21:29:49
Also the blackout kit still has the extra tab that's repetitive to the base kit.
This is probably my favorite set design-wise, but least favorite kitting-wise.
Post by: VellFlamm on Mon, 07 December 2020, 22:17:24
As a 40% user, there aren't even blackout mods to go with.
Orange being a key color is fine. It's the character of this kit. The base kit should have those as default.
I'm just wanting a kit that includes blackout 40% Esc and Enter.
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 December 2020, 22:40:33
Also the blackout kit still has the extra tab that's repetitive to the base kit.
It's not repetitive. The idea behind having an extra Tab key in an alternative alt alphas kit (which is what the Blackout kit is) is that it allows you to cover two full keyboards (your regular one + an additional 60% or 65%) if you buy base + alt alphas. That way you get more out of what you paid for, and there are less “wasted” keys.
Why Tab? Because all of the other keys (Backspaces, Shifts, Enters, spacebars etc.) are already present in the base kit in multiple variants. For example, you get two 2.25u Shifts, two Backspaces (one 2u, one 1.5u), two spacebars (one 6.25c, one 7c), many bottom row keys, etc. — it's just the Tab key (and, in this particular case, Esc and Enter as well) that needs another copy to be included in the alphas kit.
Post by: zxer on Tue, 08 December 2020, 03:56:49
It's not repetitive. The idea behind having an extra Tab key in an alternative alt alphas kit (which is what the Blackout kit is) is that it allows you to cover two full keyboards (your regular one + an additional 60% or 65%) if you buy base + alt alphas. That way you get more out of what you paid for, and there are less “wasted” keys.
Why Tab? Because all of the other keys (Backspaces, Shifts, Enters, spacebars etc.) are already present in the base kit in multiple variants. For example, you get two 2.25u Shifts, two Backspaces (one 2u, one 1.5u), two spacebars (one 6.25c, one 7c), many bottom row keys, etc. — it's just the Tab key (and, in this particular case, Esc and Enter as well) that needs another copy to be included in the alphas kit.
Is this a common use case - to try and populate two keyboards from one keycap group buy? I expect the majority will be buying the blackout kit only to put together a full blackout set.
@FaKe_VirTual - take a look at kitting in GMK Minimal and how well it sold - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107868
There was mention previously about this set being 'just another GMK Dark' without the orange accents. While I agree that having some extra colour to differentiate from other sets can be a good thing, I also think the colorways here are a whole lot better than GMK Dark. Going by replies and view counts on this thread, and the short time the thread has been open, I think it is pretty clear there is going to be a lot of interest in this set. I think this makes it even more important to get kitting right here to maximise options and be as inclusive as possible. Look at the GMK Minimal example above - it covered a lot of use cases and sold extremely well.
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 08 December 2020, 06:36:24
I think it is pretty clear there is going to be a lot of interest in this set. I think this makes it even more important to get kitting right here to maximise options and be as inclusive as possible. Look at the GMK Minimal example above - it covered a lot of use cases and sold extremely well.
Well said. This set sort of demands to be well kitted because it is so good.
Post by: iamtienng on Tue, 08 December 2020, 09:35:23
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 08 December 2020, 09:42:57
Is this a common use case - to try and populate two keyboards from one keycap group buy?
Yes.
@FaKe_VirTual - take a look at kitting in GMK Minimal and how well it sold - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107868
It's worth noting that the kit that contained ISO-UK keys (Addition) sold quite poorly in both GMK Minimal 2 and GMK MoDo 2, with just 10.5% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107868.msg2954072#msg2954072) and 6.8% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106764.msg2930487#msg2930487) of base kit sales, respectively. Mind you, this is without extras, so organic sales only.
To put things into a bit more perspective, the 40s kits (Obscure), which usually have a lot of trouble hitting MOQ in GMK GBs — in fact, just this past month we've seen four sets that have had to cancel their 40s kits mid-GB due to poor sales — sold around twice as much as the Addition kit in both cases. So your suggesting Minimal-like kitting for this set doesn't really go in favor of you looking to score ISO-UK keys.
Post by: zxer on Tue, 08 December 2020, 09:52:38
It's worth noting that the kit that contained ISO-UK keys (Addition) sold quite poorly in both GMK Minimal 2 and GMK MoDo 2, with just 10.5% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107868.msg2954072#msg2954072) and 6.8% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106764.msg2930487#msg2930487) of base kit sales, respectively. Mind you, this is without extras, so organic sales only.
To put things into a bit more perspective, the 40s kits (Obscure), which usually have a lot of trouble hitting MOQ in GMK GBs — in fact, just this past month we've seen four sets that have had to cancel their 40s kits mid-GB due to poor sales — sold around twice as much as the Addition kit in both cases. So your suggesting Minimal-like kitting for this set doesn't really go in favor of you looking to score ISO-UK keys.
Perhaps I'm missing something - the addition kit for Minimal 2 went past 200% min order quantity. I'd be more than happy with that! So on the contrary - I think it is a perfect example for ISO UK. Norde went 180% of MOQ also.
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Tue, 08 December 2020, 09:58:48
Perhaps I'm missing something - the addition kit for Minimal 2 went past 200% min order quantity. I'd be more than happy with that! So on the contrary - I think it is a perfect example for ISO UK. Norde went 180% of MOQ also.
You have to keep in mind that the example you've sent was the R2 of Minimal. People who joined on the first round of it, which already had a lot of sales, did get those smaller child kits in addition to their existing set ( I'm not saying that this was mainly the case, just that this did also pushed the sales of those up ).
I'm considering those smaller kits, like an additions kit with ISO-UK, for a potential second round of GMK Stealth. With the first round I'm trying to cover the basic needs within a reasonable price.
Post by: Auracity on Tue, 08 December 2020, 10:01:45
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 08 December 2020, 10:05:10
Perhaps I'm missing something - the addition kit for Minimal 2 went past 200% min order quantity. I'd be more than happy with that! So on the contrary - I think it is a perfect example for ISO UK. Norde went 180% of MOQ also.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that a version of this set with Minimal-like kitting were to run and reach its base kit MOQ of 250 units. Heck, let's make that 500 for good measure. That still puts the Addition kit at around 34–52 units sold — well under its MOQ. You see where I'm going with this?
There is an inherent risk involved with running a GB. You aren't guaranteed that your set is going to sell well, no matter how much hype there is during the IC phase. There are many examples of this, both past and very recent.
Since it's usually the vendors who have to take on that risk, it's one of your jobs as a runner to plan ahead and try not to put your vendors in an uncomfortable position.
Edit:
You have to keep in mind that the example you've sent was the R2 of Minimal. People who joined on the first round of it, which already had a lot of sales, did get those smaller child kits in addition to their existing set ( I'm not saying that this was mainly the case, just that this did also pushed the sales of those up ).Also this. I'm pretty sure us R1 owners of Minimal and MoDo are the only ones who bought those Addition kits, lol. The stats sure make it seem that way, at least.
I'm considering those smaller kits, like an additions kit with ISO-UK, for a potential second round of GMK Stealth. With the first round I'm trying to cover the basic needs within a reasonable price.
Post by: zxer on Tue, 08 December 2020, 10:07:14
You have to keep in mind that the example you've sent was the R2 of Minimal. People who joined on the first round of it, which already had a lot of sales, did get those smaller child kits in addition to their existing set ( I'm not saying that this was mainly the case, just that this did also pushed the sales of those up ).
I'm considering those smaller kits, like an additions kit with ISO-UK, for a potential second round of GMK Stealth. With the first round I'm trying to cover the basic needs within a reasonable price.
Thanks for replying :)
I may wait for round two then, or buy now and hope for round two to have suitable kitting for ISO blackout colours.
This is only opinion based, I've no experience running a group buy - but I think you have a bit of wiggle room here as you can expect high sales.
Post by: zxer on Tue, 08 December 2020, 10:11:29
Also this. I'm pretty sure us R1 owners of Minimal and MoDo are the only ones who bought those Addition kits, lol.
Yeah makes sense. I'm sure they would have sold well first time too though no?
Is there a down side to attempting to include a set like the additions set in round one?
Post by: KeyRelic on Thu, 10 December 2020, 04:22:22
Aesthetics are top-notch.
Post by: elmo on Thu, 10 December 2020, 04:25:58
Would have liked to see a CR 6u in spacebar kit, but it's probably too late now
6u is nonstandard and pretty much never included in GMK sets.
Only some prebuilt keyboards like Razer use that spacebar size.
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 10 December 2020, 06:40:07
Would have liked to see a CR 6u in spacebar kit, but it's probably too late now
6u is nonstandard and pretty much never included in GMK sets.
Only some prebuilt keyboards like Razer use that spacebar size.
Not exactly. While 6c is rarely included in GMK base kits nowadays, it's almost always included in the spacebars kit if a set has one (and most sets these days do). Also, this size is useful for a number of custom 60%, 660 and 1800/CP boards, as well as being the original spacebar size used on 1800 boards.
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 10 December 2020, 20:44:23
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 10 December 2020, 20:49:44
edit: and I do see the normal colored keys in the Blackout kit, but I'm not going to assume you did that on purpose to force people to but the blackout kit, because that would be really ****ty. How to fix this dilemma? MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG
Post by: Techichi on Thu, 10 December 2020, 22:22:13
Not saying you owe people anything, but....
MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG
this made me chuckle.
Post by: BeachFan69 on Thu, 10 December 2020, 22:28:21
Post by: maximize on Thu, 10 December 2020, 22:28:58
To be clear, I and many people don't need more GMK sets. But simple aesthetic like this can go on every board. You drew me back, with sheer design. This will be popular. Popular beyond the specific vision of a newer keyset designer. Not saying you owe people anything, but it would be in your best interest financialy to be more inclusive of peoples preferences, simply by including the typical keys present in base kits, such as a regular mod colored Escape and Enter key. Please consider being more flexible with your vision by giving us the bare minimum of what is to be expected (ie: proper colored/sized keys in the base kit) and leave creative vision to accents/novelties kits.
edit: and I do see the normal colored keys in the Blackout kit, but I'm not going to assume you did that on purpose to force people to but the blackout kit, because that would be really ****ty. How to fix this dilemma? MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG (like every other keyset that has ever run alternate alphas has done since the beginning of time.)
Yo, maybe keycap designers would take your suggestions more seriously if you weren't so aggressive and repetitive. This post is pretty rude.
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 10 December 2020, 22:41:14
Maybe you're being sensitive? I don't expect a designer to reply to me ever, and I'm more than happy to aggressively say things that many others are thinking but failing to see enacted. I'll take your criticism though and try to be more aware of my tone/rudeness. I mean, we could be friends and you'll learn very fas that I am direct and opinionated. Do you want me to just act like everyone else does here and filter my language so I don't offend anyone's sheltered sensibilities? I prefer a little variety and spice. Others have the sensible act down pretty well. I'll be a little louder just for fun.To be clear, I and many people don't need more GMK sets. But simple aesthetic like this can go on every board. You drew me back, with sheer design. This will be popular. Popular beyond the specific vision of a newer keyset designer. Not saying you owe people anything, but it would be in your best interest financialy to be more inclusive of peoples preferences, simply by including the typical keys present in base kits, such as a regular mod colored Escape and Enter key. Please consider being more flexible with your vision by giving us the bare minimum of what is to be expected (ie: proper colored/sized keys in the base kit) and leave creative vision to accents/novelties kits.
edit: and I do see the normal colored keys in the Blackout kit, but I'm not going to assume you did that on purpose to force people to but the blackout kit, because that would be really ****ty. How to fix this dilemma? MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG (like every other keyset that has ever run alternate alphas has done since the beginning of time.)
Yo, maybe keycap designers would take your suggestions more seriously if you weren't so aggressive and repetitive. Your posts here and on Muted 2 have been pretty rude.
Post by: maximize on Thu, 10 December 2020, 23:18:33
Maybe you're being sensitive? I don't expect a designer to reply to me ever, and I'm more than happy to aggressively say things that many others are thinking but failing to see enacted. I'll take your criticism though and try to be more aware of my tone/rudeness. I mean, we could be friends and you'll learn very fas that I am direct and opinionated. Do you want me to just act like everyone else does here and filter my language so I don't offend anyone's sheltered sensibilities? I prefer a little variety and spice. Others have the sensible act down pretty well. I'll be a little louder just for fun.To be clear, I and many people don't need more GMK sets. But simple aesthetic like this can go on every board. You drew me back, with sheer design. This will be popular. Popular beyond the specific vision of a newer keyset designer. Not saying you owe people anything, but it would be in your best interest financialy to be more inclusive of peoples preferences, simply by including the typical keys present in base kits, such as a regular mod colored Escape and Enter key. Please consider being more flexible with your vision by giving us the bare minimum of what is to be expected (ie: proper colored/sized keys in the base kit) and leave creative vision to accents/novelties kits.
edit: and I do see the normal colored keys in the Blackout kit, but I'm not going to assume you did that on purpose to force people to but the blackout kit, because that would be really ****ty. How to fix this dilemma? MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG (like every other keyset that has ever run alternate alphas has done since the beginning of time.)
Yo, maybe keycap designers would take your suggestions more seriously if you weren't so aggressive and repetitive. This post is pretty rude.
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
The kitting was updated, and Virtual did not make the changes you requested, so it's clearly not in the vision for this set. Furthermore, the very experienced and analytical konstantin appears to have helped extensively with the kitting, and they apparently didn't think unaccented Esc and Enter were necessary. In konstantin we trust. If you really want those keys, skip a few takeout meals and buy the Blackout kit.
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 11 December 2020, 01:49:56
"I disagree for such and such reason, and think so because this and this"
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
Would have been a lot more proactive than whatever you are doing. A single line of jokingly belligerent capitalized text does not offend me. And I'll say again, I'm not going to tone it down and act like everyone else so you can feel secure in your opinions about keycaps. I'd love to discuss keycaps with you, like AT ALL. Otherwise I'm done talking with you.
edit, I give up lol. The more I think about it, you are literally mad because i hit caps lock. grow up.
Post by: aidan.smith on Fri, 11 December 2020, 02:26:27
Post by: zxer on Fri, 11 December 2020, 04:51:57
"I disagree for such and such reason, and think so because this and this"
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
Would have been a lot more proactive than whatever you are doing. A single line of jokingly belligerent capitalized text does not offend me. And I'll say again, I'm not going to tone it down and act like everyone else so you can feel secure in your opinions about keycaps. I'd love to discuss keycaps with you, like AT ALL. Otherwise I'm done talking with you.
edit, I give up lol. The more I think about it, you are literally mad because i hit caps lock. grow up.
The only bit I think that could be taken as potentially going a bit far is that you've implied that the OP is attempting to force people to buy the blackout set (and so benefitting financially), if they are picky about the orange accent. While that is factually correct, I don't expect that is the intention. Your recommendation to move the affected keys from blackout to main set is actually a reasonable idea I think.
I agree that it looks like this set is going to be a popular one. As such I think there is room for a bit of relaxation in terms of trying to be overly restrictive and focussing too much on keeping base cost down. I think folks will pay an extra $20 or whatever regardless just because they will want this set. I realise that is just opinion based. However view counts on this thread and number of replies is high considering the short time the thread has been open. I see a lot of chatter in discords and reddit about the set too.
I think FaKe_VirTual can reasonably be quite confident that there is going to be above average (possibly considerably so) numbers of buyers.
I am still wondering what the down side of offering the likes of the 'addition set' that GMK Minimal R2 and Olivia etc. Worst case it doesn't meet MOQ and things proceed as normal without the sets that don't meet MOQ.
I'm fairly new to this hobby and have only followed a few group buys over the last year or so. I think though that the period of time this set has been in interest check phase is actually quite short compared to the norm - am I right here?
I don't see any need to rush the process - also Dec / Jan for a group buy would seem to logically not be the best months as folks will have other things they need to spend disposable income on. Just a thought and putting it out there. There may also be positive reasons for picking Dec/Jan that I'm not aware of.
Thanks FaKe_VirTual for all the work you've put in on this set - it is clear that a lot of effort has gone in already. Don't rush it through to GB phase though unless you are 100% happy with the direction things are going.
Post by: mr_fro2000 on Fri, 11 December 2020, 06:59:33
Post by: Jo_hannes on Fri, 11 December 2020, 07:05:07
Best
Johannes
Post by: maximize on Fri, 11 December 2020, 13:27:00
"I disagree for such and such reason, and think so because this and this"
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
Would have been a lot more proactive than whatever you are doing. A single line of jokingly belligerent capitalized text does not offend me. And I'll say again, I'm not going to tone it down and act like everyone else so you can feel secure in your opinions about keycaps. I'd love to discuss keycaps with you, like AT ALL. Otherwise I'm done talking with you.
edit, I give up lol. The more I think about it, you are literally mad because i hit caps lock. grow up.
I discussed the state of the kitting in my previous post, but it looks like you purposefully excluded the quote in your reply. Kitting was updated by competent people. Not what you like? Get over it. Also, not sure how else to explain to you that I'm not offended and simply pointing out that your response can be perceived as a straight-faced, rude response (esp. since the rest of your post was serious). Glad you're done ****ting on Virtual's awesome IC.
Good luck, Virtual, and I will certainly be joining this one. :thumb:
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 11 December 2020, 13:48:47
I would have loved to stop talking to you like 3 comments ago but you're literally just making **** up at point I'm not ****ting on the thread AT ALL by asking him and stating the reasons I think we need those keys. STOP BEING A BABY"I disagree for such and such reason, and think so because this and this"
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
Would have been a lot more proactive than whatever you are doing. A single line of jokingly belligerent capitalized text does not offend me. And I'll say again, I'm not going to tone it down and act like everyone else so you can feel secure in your opinions about keycaps. I'd love to discuss keycaps with you, like AT ALL. Otherwise I'm done talking with you.
edit, I give up lol. The more I think about it, you are literally mad because i hit caps lock. grow up.
I discussed the state of the kitting in my previous post, but it looks like you purposefully excluded the quote in your reply. Kitting was updated by competent people. Not what you like? Get over it. Also, not sure how else to explain to you that I'm not offended and simply pointing out that your response can be perceived as a straight-faced, rude response (esp. since the rest of your post was serious). Glad you're done ****ting on Virtual's awesome IC.
Good luck, Virtual, and I will certainly be joining this one. :thumb:
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Post by: -janitor- on Fri, 11 December 2020, 15:04:10
So until we know the pricing, I'm not sure if Ill be able to jump on this one as of yet. Would require a lot of different sets to get the look I'd want with a whole host of extra keys I wouldn't use.
That being said, the work and the execution is very very good and I don't doubt you will get a lot of orders. Good luck!
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 11 December 2020, 17:41:17
The only bit I think that could be taken as potentially going a bit far is that you've implied that the OP is attempting to force people to buy the blackout set (and so benefitting financially), if they are picky about the orange accent. While that is factually correct, I don't expect that is the intention. Your recommendation to move the affected keys from blackout to main set is actually a reasonable idea I think.
Yeah I was basically feigning that as a joke in the hopes OP would realize no one is going to buy blackout for two keys. I think it will turn more people away from the entire set, than it will add $$ to the GB. In fact, I would bet my left kidney that fixing the kits as discussed would result in MORE sales.
Post by: zxer on Fri, 11 December 2020, 20:25:51
The only bit I think that could be taken as potentially going a bit far is that you've implied that the OP is attempting to force people to buy the blackout set (and so benefitting financially), if they are picky about the orange accent. While that is factually correct, I don't expect that is the intention. Your recommendation to move the affected keys from blackout to main set is actually a reasonable idea I think.
Yeah I was basically feigning that as a joke in the hopes OP would realize no one is going to buy blackout for two keys. I think it will turn more people away from the entire set, than it will add $$ to the GB. In fact, I would bet my left kidney that fixing the kits as discussed would result in MORE sales.
Fair enough :)
I agree rethinking the kits is probably a good idea.
Post by: mymeepo on Sun, 13 December 2020, 16:20:23
Post by: AllieBlairThomas on Sun, 13 December 2020, 17:37:31
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Mon, 14 December 2020, 12:55:42
Pricing has been published.
Prototypist has been added to the vendors list.
Two more days until GMK Stealth is about to take off.
Post by: KeyRelic on Mon, 14 December 2020, 13:11:27
Post by: Diggidy on Mon, 14 December 2020, 13:12:41
I hope this kit sells well for you, but I will no longer be joining it.
Post by: nvh2092 on Mon, 14 December 2020, 13:14:04
110 euros for that minimal base kit, no ISO no numpad :confused: Gmk thinkcap base has more keys and cost 107..... :( MOQ at minimum?
Pricing has been published.
Prototypist has been added to the vendors list.
Two more days until GMK Stealth is about to take off.
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Mon, 14 December 2020, 13:23:14
Cables will be available from vendors or will they be only available directly from makers? They are not listed on the pricing list.
Cables will be available through the makers themselves.
So someone needs to spend 172$ USD to be able to run the simple 75% kit that you're advertising as the first photo in this IC? Sorry - but that's ridiculous.
I hope this kit sells well for you, but I will no longer be joining it.
This is quiet normal considering that you are talking about the set with it's alternate Alphas.
110 euros for that minimal base kit, no ISO no numpad :confused: Gmk thinkcap base has more keys and cost 107..... :( MOQ at minimum?
This set is mainly using custom colors and not being runned by the biggest vendors in the hobby. The pricing we're currently offering is as competitive as it gets.
Post by: andtar2 on Mon, 14 December 2020, 14:08:24
Post by: nvh2092 on Mon, 14 December 2020, 14:21:53
Still no dark Esc and Enter back in base/norde? Will that be ever fixed?Not this run.
Post by: mymeepo on Mon, 14 December 2020, 14:22:24
Still no dark Esc and Enter back in base/norde? Will that be ever fixed?
For me that is literally the difference if I'll put 180€ into this or not. When you're spending this much on keycaps the kitting should be good. Please fix @ Virtual. It's ONE key.
Post by: zxer on Mon, 14 December 2020, 14:27:22
Still no dark Esc and Enter back in base/norde? Will that be ever fixed?
For me that is literally the difference if I'll put 180€ into this or not. When you're spending this much on keycaps the kitting should be good. Please fix @ Virtual. It's ONE key.
This single change to kitting is a no brainer - I see no reason not to do it.
Like I mentioned already - it's worth taking time to get kitting right.
Post by: Rafa_n on Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:24:39
Every other kit has a 1-1 dollar to euro conversion except the base kit which is $100 to 110 EUR.
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:33:08
Is the base kit price on CandyKeys correct?
Every other kit has a 1-1 dollar to euro conversion except the base kit which is $100 to 110 EUR.
Yes, you have to consider that EU prices are with 19% VAT.
Post by: actress on Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:47:18
Post by: maximize on Mon, 14 December 2020, 21:05:28
67 euro for a single artisan lmfao. I love the look of it but come on... absolutely ridicilous pricing by Rama
Did you read the literally-immediately-prior comment about VAT? Lmao
Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Mon, 14 December 2020, 22:54:27
Thought it was pretty neat comparing the two- and figured it was inevitable when using GMK's plastic colours for sets to use the same colourways
(https://i.imgur.com/YyiDVrM.png)
Post by: mrvco on Mon, 14 December 2020, 23:12:41
Post by: lakeboredom on Tue, 15 December 2020, 01:27:10
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Tue, 15 December 2020, 04:27:22
I'm working hard on the issue with the non-accented Esc and Enter in the last couple days. I think that I might have found a way to make it work.
Post by: zxer on Tue, 15 December 2020, 04:46:24
I'm working hard on the issue with the non-accented Esc and Enter in the last couple days. I think that I might have found a way to make it work.
Nice one - this will definitely be a big plus for some folks that are not buying the dark alpha set.
I am still thinking about buying the dark set too - I'm considering just putting up with having to use the 5 ISO keys from the grey NORDEUK set. That may be too annoying though as will likely look a bit of a mess :)
Post by: zxer on Tue, 15 December 2020, 04:51:27
Post by: zxer on Tue, 15 December 2020, 05:21:48
Woops! Looks like there are still necessary MODS in the alternate ALPHAS kit that should be in the BASE KIT. Boy that is embarrassing, glad I said something before this went into GB and you lost a bunch of people's interest because of such a tiny thing.
Which keys do you mean?
Post by: Jo_hannes on Tue, 15 December 2020, 05:27:33
I'm working hard on the issue with the non-accented Esc and Enter in the last couple days. I think that I might have found a way to make it work.
YES! Please do make it work, that would be awesome! /J
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Tue, 15 December 2020, 07:58:24
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
Post by: mymeepo on Tue, 15 December 2020, 08:30:33
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
It's okay. Thank you for trying and for the transparency. I will sit out on R1 and perhaps join this GB in R2. All the best!
Post by: zxer on Tue, 15 December 2020, 08:50:46
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
Out of interest - what were the problems that made the change not possible?
Post by: nvh2092 on Tue, 15 December 2020, 09:51:40
To resubmit to gmk for a another quote for at least 2 kits: base and blackout. Gb will be surely delayed. I'll wait for a better R2 too.
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
Out of interest - what were the problems that made the change not possible?
Post by: Jo_hannes on Tue, 15 December 2020, 10:19:56
Post by: zxer on Tue, 15 December 2020, 11:30:42
To resubmit to gmk for a another quote for at least 2 kits: base and blackout. Gb will be surely delayed. I'll wait for a better R2 too.
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
Out of interest - what were the problems that made the change not possible?
I don't think a delay would be a terrible idea - and my thinking would be not to rush. Things have already moved pretty fast for this IC comparatively anyway.
However I can understand those involved being keen to stick to schedule.
Post by: yukitoki on Tue, 15 December 2020, 11:31:52
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 15 December 2020, 21:29:51
I don't think a delay would be a terrible idea - and my thinking would be not to rush. Things have already moved pretty fast for this IC comparatively anyway.
However I can understand those involved being keen to stick to schedule.
Delaying a GB is not really an option (unless something genuinely catastrophic happens). GB windows are arranged months in advance, and each vendor only has a limited number of slots each month, so delaying a GB by a month or so would mess things up for everyone involved (including other sets that are scheduled to run later).
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Wed, 16 December 2020, 07:46:05
WE'RE LIVE!
You can buy the set through the following vendors
- US - PROJECT KEYBOARD (https://store.projectkeyboard.com/)
- EU - CANDYKEYS (https://candykeys.com/) ( going live at 7:00pm CET )
- CA - DESKHERO (https://www.deskhero.ca/?customer_posted=true) ( going live at 12:00 am EST )
- AS - ZFRONTIER (https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/gmk)
- AUS - SWITCHKEYS (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/?customer_posted=true)
- UK - PROTOTYPIST (https://prototypist.net/)
- SEA - MONOKEI (https://monokei.co/)
For more information regarding Stealth in the future, head over to the GB Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110195.0)!
Post by: PHYLO on Wed, 16 December 2020, 09:53:38
Post by: joshuarubin on Wed, 16 December 2020, 11:50:20
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 16 December 2020, 12:36:15
Just saw the pricing for base + alphas for this current one and it's just too expensive IMO (especially since I was another that wasn't a fan of the orange), as is often the case with these alpha add ons.
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Wed, 16 December 2020, 21:11:36
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Thu, 17 December 2020, 17:03:20
We're hosting a GIVEAWAY (https://gleam.io/lGBwM/1119-candykeys-christmas-giveaway) with CandyKeys to give a free Basekit back to you guys!
Just follow the link to the Groupbuy thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110195.0) or click the link to the giveaway (https://gleam.io/lGBwM/1119-candykeys-christmas-giveaway) to find out more about it!
Post by: Skok on Thu, 17 December 2020, 20:55:17
Post by: chlorineequeen on Fri, 18 December 2020, 16:32:49