FYI, this is basically inverted Calm Depths (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48214.0). The subject of "owning" colorways is a very grey area, but did you consider reaching out to either Calm himself or Bunny et al regarding this? Not saying you have to, since again it's unclear where the line should be drawn, just curious if you have.
Edit: It did just occur to me that this is already in the GB phase, so perhaps this has already been discussed in the IC phase.
for everybody's information.
I did contact the owner of Calm Depths about running a round 2 of his exact set quite a few months back. I have heard nothing back from him since.
However I still liked the blue and grey colors enough to want to design my own set based around a blue/grey scheme. What came of that design process is this set. I did my best to differentiate from Calm Depths without taking away from what i wanted to accomplish.
I have messaged Moderator Hoffman about holding or taking down this thread if people feel this is all to close to Calm Depths.
Thanks for looking everybody
"Pricing Tiers" section near top of post, I passed over it the first time as well.
"Pricing Tiers" section near top of post, I passed over it the first time as well.
feel like a dumb*** now. thanks :thumb:
Have you ever run a Group Buy before? Why should I trust you with my money?
Since Hoffmann started the discussion, I'd like to say that I'm completely against this keyset and that I personally do not agree with it happening.
Here's why:
I've been keeping an eye on OP's "project" since he started the IC last summer. He posted some images and mockups that unfortunately were lost due to his edition on the first post, but it started with a somewhat interesting colorful idea. Some users showed up, a discussion started and then OP (hippo08) said this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PyRmYHO.png)link to the reply (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1800467#msg1800467)
How the hell is this keyset unique, original and interesting to the point that you want to call it "yours"? The worst part is that you didn't create absolutely anything. You merely assembled and organized 3 different tones of plastic and decided to run a group buy. What you displayed here is not even a keyset, it's just a dark blue mockup of keycaps in a keyboard. This set doesn't have a theme, it's not original (it's a direct replication of Calm Depths with an accent of PuLSE) and doesn't have novelties. You splitted alphas and mods without any practical reason and you didn't even contacted people that made similar stuff to ask their opinions about your idea. You will not use rMK's mold from PuLSE, Modern Selectric and Carbon for this, and I also don't trust you a single bit to handle orders for both of the communities that I'm a member from. You have absolutely zero reputation in both of the places.
The killiking blow for me is that you are essentially replicating two keysets that will never be produced again for the sake of making money; by taking a margin. You're charging our people for assembling and distributing something that's not even your craft. I'm sorry to say but you don't even displayed talent to convince us that such iniciative could be even acceptable.
I'm not a very relevant member but I will not support this Group Buy nor OP's Interest Check.
Noob. What would I need for a white fox true fox layout?
Noob. What would I need for a white fox true fox layout?
Just ignore MiTo - he likes to show up and sling mud for no reason and always ignores and twists valid responses to non-valid points. I don't know why his drivel is tolerated by the mods.
I don't know why his drivel is tolerated by the mods.
I don't know why his drivel is tolerated by the mods.
At the risk of taking this off-topic...
He was heavily moderated last time he blew up, and he then vowed to leave and never return. Lately he's been back but civil. This is the first time he's been rude/out of line since his return.
But that's the last we'll talk of that in this thread. If you want to discuss more, feel free to PM me or create a new thread.
MoreSince Hoffmann started the discussion, I'd like to say that I'm completely against this keyset and that I personally do not agree with it happening.
Here's why:
I've been keeping an eye on OP's "project" since he started the IC last summer. He posted some images and mockups that unfortunately were lost due to his edition on the first post, but it started with a somewhat interesting colorful idea. Some users showed up, a discussion started and then OP (hippo08) said this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PyRmYHO.png)link to the reply (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1800467#msg1800467)
How the hell is this keyset unique, original and interesting to the point that you want to call it "yours"? The worst part is that you didn't create absolutely anything. You merely assembled and organized 3 different tones of plastic and decided to run a group buy. What you displayed here is not even a keyset, it's just a dark blue mockup of keycaps in a keyboard. This set doesn't have a theme, it's not original (it's a direct replication of Calm Depths with an accent of PuLSE) and doesn't have novelties. You splitted alphas and mods without any practical reason and you didn't even contacted people that made similar stuff to ask their opinions about your idea. You will not use rMK's mold from PuLSE, Modern Selectric and Carbon for this, and I also don't trust you a single bit to handle orders for both of the communities that I'm a member from. You have absolutely zero reputation in both of the places.
The killiking blow for me is that you are essentially replicating two keysets that will never be produced again for the sake of making money; by taking a margin. You're charging our people for assembling and distributing something that's not even your craft. I'm sorry to say but you don't even displayed talent to convince us that such iniciative could be even acceptable.
I'm not a very relevant member but I will not support this Group Buy nor OP's Interest Check.
to be fair Mito i posted that reply about the keyset in its earliest stages when the modifiers were a deep green and the grey alphas were a much lighter grey. You're right I'm not the one working at an injection molding machine and making these molds at a mill. But i worked hard on these designs and I really do care about them, so in my eyes yes I really am creating something.
I dont like novelty type keys really. In fact read the basic description of the keyset, its labeled very specifically as simple. I thought and still think adding any sort of extra artwork beyond the basic stuff in the Color Kit would be changing the idea behind this keyset.
As I explained above I really like the blue grey color scheme. Theres not too many ways to really go about using both dark blue and grey within the Signature Plastics ABS color pallet without coming close to something that's already been done. I did my best to differentiate but unfortunately there's only so much I really wanted to do before the look of the set isn't what I wanted it to be. Im sorry you dont like it but im really not trying to rip anybody off here.
Yes im taking a commission, percentage, whatever you want to call it. Most groupbuy owners do as far as I understand. Its a lot of work running one of these things, and I intend on paying myself for the work I have done in a fair way. I After all the fees, taxes, shipping, returns and whatever else might come up, i expect to make about 100-200$ BEFORE I pay Harlw for his art services.
As far as reputation goes I have a small eBay seller reputation and a few successful trades over MechMarket. However I do have to say, If i really wanted to steal from people this wouldnt be the way I would do it. Id just be a banker or wallstreet guy for that.
Im not trying to step on anybody's toes here. Sorry if you mistook that.
I am not sure why you believe keysets must be artwork consisting of novelties. It seems totally fine to create a set without novelties. No combination of 2-3 colors seems genuinely 'unique' to me, so I dont feel like having similar combinations of colors is a big deal at all (and the fact that they are inverted is a large difference you seem to gloss over as if it is nothing at all).
Because I already wasted too much of my time in this discussion, this was my last reply in this thread.
I also don't trust you a single bit to handle orders for both of the communities that I'm a member from. You have absolutely zero reputation in both of the places.
no international order allowed?
I'm not a very relevant member
Have you ever run a Group Buy before? Why should I trust you with my money?
I was a little curious about this as well. We've just had quite a few burns lately, even with more trusted vendors, so I do see the community being a little more cautious as of late. Seeing a very broken down game plan/time frame could help. You could also try to bring in some extra help as well with a more known member or something. :thumb:
Just saw the child deal for the F row! Very good. The "\ |" key is sadly still a deal breaker for me.
Just saw the child deal for the F row! Very good. The "\ |" key is sadly still a deal breaker for me.
That is actually a mistake! The "\|" Key is supposed to be an alpha colored key as well as a modifier colored key, see below in Harlw's render. The second blue "\|" key is actually supposed to be alpha colored.
Thanks for the heads up, i totally missed that.
In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:
Click here for a link to that response (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1800467#msg1800467)
Yes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.
Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.
Am I reading the pricing right? The modifier kit is almost $300 if there are fewer than 25 orders? Is there a way to tell the current tier for each set? It's a very nice kit for sure, but I have to think about my other expenses (again I'm assuming the pricing is in USD).
Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.
As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.
Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.
In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:
Click here for a link to that response (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1800467#msg1800467)
For others that don't want to go to another thread:QuoteYes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.
Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.
Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is).
In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:
Click here for a link to that response (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1800467#msg1800467)
For others that don't want to go to another thread:QuoteYes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.
Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.
Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.
As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.
Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.
In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:
Click here for a link to that response (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1800467#msg1800467)
For others that don't want to go to another thread:QuoteYes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.
Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.
Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.
As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.
Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.
My intention with this reply is not to call into question hippo008's integrity, sincerity, or honesty. I don't know him/her and have never had any dealings with this person. I've decided to purchase a small kit (Color Kit / Mod) and wish the best for this group buy and hope it will succeed.
That being said, YabosMcGee voiced some very valid concerns and it's good that these questions are being asked and discussed. There are risks with any group buy, but often times these don't get discussed. I commented on livingspeedbump's recent thread about group buys outlining my thoughts (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77864.msg1972051#msg1972051) and although I personally prefer the self-run individual group buy, it is the riskiest.
As a buyer, you are entrusting an individual to handle a large sum of money, conduct a large transaction with the manufacturer and then process one large delivery into individual orders and ship them timely. That is a lot of responsibly for just one person. I'm not saying that hippo008 isn't up for the task, but with only 51 posts and no real history with the community there isn't a lot of information to make an informed decision.
Past performance is no indicator of future success. We've seen very well respected members run poor/failed group buys over the past few years, but it's important to be aware that this is hippo008's first rodeo.
I'm only purchasing the Color Kit / Mod kit so my risk is relatively low, but his level of transparency during the initial phases will be a key indicator for me if I will actually buy the kit. Communication is one of the easiest aspects of any group buy.
Again, I'm not calling into question hippo008's integrity. There is risk with any group buy so it's important to be aware of what the risks are and make an informed decision of where to put your money.
Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.
Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.
I agree with you, and this does make me much more hesitant to place an order by going with this format. There have been many past instances were the sole group buy organizer has either disappeared with people's money, or dragged out the process for years, all while the people who ordered are stuck waiting around and hoping that they will get what they paid for.
SP has the resources already set up to handle group buys with shipping directly through them, why not use it? It all just seems very shady, and the explanation doesn't sit well with me.
In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:
Click here for a link to that response (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1800467#msg1800467)
For others that don't want to go to another thread:QuoteYes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.
Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.
Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.
As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.
Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.
My intention with this reply is not to call into question hippo008's integrity, sincerity, or honesty. I don't know him/her and have never had any dealings with this person. I've decided to purchase a small kit (Color Kit / Mod) and wish the best for this group buy and hope it will succeed.
That being said, YabosMcGee voiced some very valid concerns and it's good that these questions are being asked and discussed. There are risks with any group buy, but often times these don't get discussed. I commented on livingspeedbump's recent thread about group buys outlining my thoughts (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77864.msg1972051#msg1972051) and although I personally prefer the self-run individual group buy, it is the riskiest.
As a buyer, you are entrusting an individual to handle a large sum of money, conduct a large transaction with the manufacturer and then process one large delivery into individual orders and ship them timely. That is a lot of responsibly for just one person. I'm not saying that hippo008 isn't up for the task, but with only 51 posts and no real history with the community there isn't a lot of information to make an informed decision.
Past performance is no indicator of future success. We've seen very well respected members run poor/failed group buys over the past few years, but it's important to be aware that this is hippo008's first rodeo.
I'm only purchasing the Color Kit / Mod kit so my risk is relatively low, but his level of transparency during the initial phases will be a key indicator for me if I will actually buy the kit. Communication is one of the easiest aspects of any group buy.
Again, I'm not calling into question hippo008's integrity. There is risk with any group buy so it's important to be aware of what the risks are and make an informed decision of where to put your money.
I've PM'd him. I am going to try to help him if I can, even if that means finding this set a home on PMK or something of that nature :thumb: I definitely applaud his willingness to get involved in the community, and think intentions are good, but veteran members all are wary for good reason - we've all been burned at some point (or stood by and watched those threads burn, while silently laughing to yourself...) Back on track. I do see potential here, but I think a few more developed child deals, and a good home to handle the kit will make it 10x more successful than the way it stands now.
Noob. What would I need for a white fox true fox layout?
Unfortunately, unless more child deals are added, this set isn't truly compatible. You'd need a 1.5 backspace, a 1.75 shift, and a 1 unit backslash.
Noob. What would I need for a white fox true fox layout?
Yeah, not compatible. Unfortunately a few of the White Fox layouts are very uncommon, if not totally new, and probably won't be supported for a while with keycap sets, especially ones that are already in IC or GB stages. DSA profile will be your friend with the White Fox ;)
In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:
Click here for a link to that response (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1800467#msg1800467)
For others that don't want to go to another thread:QuoteYes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.
Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.
Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.
As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.
Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.
My intention with this reply is not to call into question hippo008's integrity, sincerity, or honesty. I don't know him/her and have never had any dealings with this person. I've decided to purchase a small kit (Color Kit / Mod) and wish the best for this group buy and hope it will succeed.
That being said, YabosMcGee voiced some very valid concerns and it's good that these questions are being asked and discussed. There are risks with any group buy, but often times these don't get discussed. I commented on livingspeedbump's recent thread about group buys outlining my thoughts (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77864.msg1972051#msg1972051) and although I personally prefer the self-run individual group buy, it is the riskiest.
As a buyer, you are entrusting an individual to handle a large sum of money, conduct a large transaction with the manufacturer and then process one large delivery into individual orders and ship them timely. That is a lot of responsibly for just one person. I'm not saying that hippo008 isn't up for the task, but with only 51 posts and no real history with the community there isn't a lot of information to make an informed decision.
Past performance is no indicator of future success. We've seen very well respected members run poor/failed group buys over the past few years, but it's important to be aware that this is hippo008's first rodeo.
I'm only purchasing the Color Kit / Mod kit so my risk is relatively low, but his level of transparency during the initial phases will be a key indicator for me if I will actually buy the kit. Communication is one of the easiest aspects of any group buy.
Again, I'm not calling into question hippo008's integrity. There is risk with any group buy so it's important to be aware of what the risks are and make an informed decision of where to put your money.
I've PM'd him. I am going to try to help him if I can, even if that means finding this set a home on PMK or something of that nature :thumb: I definitely applaud his willingness to get involved in the community, and think intentions are good, but veteran members all are wary for good reason - we've all been burned at some point (or stood by and watched those threads burn, while silently laughing to yourself...) Back on track. I do see potential here, but I think a few more developed child deals, and a good home to handle the kit will make it 10x more successful than the way it stands now.
OP - Thank you for updating the post to offer more transparency into the whole process. It does suck that it's stuck in "voting" on PMK. From SP's own announcement of the new site, the redesign was supposed to have made getting sets up for sale easier and more automated. Obviously, that's still not true. Hopefully with your update some of the more "influential" members can maybe get your set pushed through. I think the safety of a PMK or Massdrop site, coupled with the higher visibility, will make this set more successful. If you do get stuck having to do this by yourself, my only other recommendation is to keep an update on the current order tiers, so that people can decide whether they want to join or not.
Livingspeedbump - I can't speak for everyone, but I do appreciate you looking to get involved. Getting someone that's gone through this process before adds confidence to this GB. Hopefully OP can still get the set in either PMK or Massdrop, but if not, I think everyone will agree that having a seasoned hand involved should assuage a lot of fears.
Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment. The IC page links are gone off the site right now. As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop - rather than trying to use a poll. They're all over the place with regard to polls.
That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.
I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk
Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment. The IC page links are gone off the site right now. As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop - rather than trying to use a poll. They're all over the place with regard to polls.
That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk
This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?
Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment. The IC page links are gone off the site right now. As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop - rather than trying to use a poll. They're all over the place with regard to polls.
That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk
This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?
It's not too late to re-think the platform the buy is run on, especially if it will drastically change the number of interested users.
Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment. The IC page links are gone off the site right now. As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop - rather than trying to use a poll. They're all over the place with regard to polls.
That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk
This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?
It's not too late to re-think the platform the buy is run on, especially if it will drastically change the number of interested users.
Yeah, I guess so, it just irks a little bit how much disrespect is being shown to hippo I feel. I don't think any of these people saw the labor of love he went through to get this keyset to where it is, and all of a sudden they pop up at groupbuy stage with tons of ideas about things he's doing wrong.
Merry Christmas everyone, hope everybody is having a good day.
I thought a update was in order so here we go
Ive been getting a lot of mixed messages here. I have more and more orders everyday but also more and more hate/distaste in this thread everyday. Some people seem to love the set and are okay with how things are running and a seemingly good chunk of other people really dislike the set and how im doing things. So im at a loss here guys. I'm not really sure what people want to happen here. In my updated OP I explained the current situation with Massdrop and PMK but to quickly re-hash, both of them never got back to me. No senior members got back to me either about getting involved somehow. While I would like to run this set with senior help or through a retailer like Massdrop nothing has pulled through for me. Because nothing worked out I decided to move on and run this as a one man show but clearly the community is pretty divided over that decision.
So im leaving the fate of this groupbuy to you guys because I am entirely unsure what the community is calling for. What do you all want to see happen. Updated plans? Retailer help? Senior GeekHack member help? Just letting this whole set go?
Let me know what you think.
Am I reading the pricing right? The modifier kit is almost $300 if there are fewer than 25 orders? Is there a way to tell the current tier for each set? It's a very nice kit for sure, but I have to think about my other expenses (again I'm assuming the pricing is in USD).
Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment. The IC page links are gone off the site right now. As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop - rather than trying to use a poll. They're all over the place with regard to polls.
That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk
This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?
There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.
Although I won't be buying into this, I think the most he could of done was contact Calm Depths and hope that he responds; the colors are similar, yes, but the creative inspiration and process is still there.
There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.
Although I won't be buying into this, I think the most he could of done was contact Calm Depths and hope that he responds; the colors are similar, yes, but the creative inspiration and process is still there.
It's already in the thread. He tried contacting the creator of Calm Depths. Dude never answered.
There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.
Merry Christmas everyone, hope everybody is having a good day.
I thought a update was in order so here we go
Ive been getting a lot of mixed messages here. I have more and more orders everyday but also more and more hate/distaste in this thread everyday. Some people seem to love the set and are okay with how things are running and a seemingly good chunk of other people really dislike the set and how im doing things. So im at a loss here guys. I'm not really sure what people want to happen here. In my updated OP I explained the current situation with Massdrop and PMK but to quickly re-hash, both of them never got back to me. No senior members got back to me either about getting involved somehow. While I would like to run this set with senior help or through a retailer like Massdrop nothing has pulled through for me. Because nothing worked out I decided to move on and run this as a one man show but clearly the community is pretty divided over that decision.
So im leaving the fate of this groupbuy to you guys because I am entirely unsure what the community is calling for. What do you all want to see happen. Updated plans? Retailer help? Senior GeekHack member help? Just letting this whole set go?
Let me know what you think.
There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.
Although I won't be buying into this, I think the most he could of done was contact Calm Depths and hope that he responds; the colors are similar, yes, but the creative inspiration and process is still there.
I think this set is gorgeous. Im very new to this all tho. If i were to join this how long would it take for me to actually receive the keycaps since they still have to be made in the first place. I'm guessing like close to a year?
I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk
Sad news. Mostly I am bummed to learn that "the community" would shut this down. Perhaps this is just to soon. Hopefully, in the future there will be more open-mindedness
Good to hear! Keep us in the loop.Sad news. Mostly I am bummed to learn that "the community" would shut this down. Perhaps this is just to soon. Hopefully, in the future there will be more open-mindedness
Not shut down :D This will be entirely Hippo's set in the end, but a few of us are helping him out. Emails are actively being sent around now about making this kit as awesome, and unique, and complete as possible. :thumb:
Good to hear! Keep us in the loop.Sad news. Mostly I am bummed to learn that "the community" would shut this down. Perhaps this is just to soon. Hopefully, in the future there will be more open-mindedness
Not shut down :D This will be entirely Hippo's set in the end, but a few of us are helping him out. Emails are actively being sent around now about making this kit as awesome, and unique, and complete as possible. :thumb:
Look, far be it from me to criticize the moderation team here. I mean, what the hell do I know? But I do know that IC related discussion does not belong in GB threads. And now, this GB is on hold due to a “pretty large backlash?” I’m assuming that “backlash” refers to the discussion in this thread. Discussion which should have never happened or been allowed. I implore the moderation team to take a good look over what happened here. This GB had a proper IC. An IC in which issues brought up in this thread were already discussed. I would say that this very thread is a prime example of why IC discussion is not normally allowed in GB threads. It can make a perfectly fine GB regress back into IC mode for no legitimate reason. I hope you can get this going again soon OP. I think you have done a great job so far.
Although there are some poor criticisms in this thread, there's almost no way to get an independently financed, first time member run group buy with no MOQ and confusing pricing off the ground. It wasn't like there were a ton of people jumping out the gate to begin with. Let him refine it and come back.OP said he had nearly 70 orders already. Quite a few for the amount of time it was open...
Although there are some poor criticisms in this thread, there's almost no way to get an independently financed, first time member run group buy with no MOQ and confusing pricing off the ground. It wasn't like there were a ton of people jumping out the gate to begin with. Let him refine it and come back.OP said he had nearly 70 orders already. Quite a few for the amount of time it was open...
Is there any chance the number row and mods will get traditional dual legends on them? Or will they be left as is?
Why can't I enter the Google form? Isn't this supposed to end in two days?
Firstly Id like to say thank you to everybody who was interested in this set as it stands. Ive had quite a few orders, just about 70 kits so far, and thats awesome so many of you wanted to get involved. But I also must say sorry to all of you who put in your orders. Due to the pretty large backlash from the community im putting this buy on hold. I will be working with Harlw and LivingSpeedBump to further refine this set and the groupbuy process to hopefully have this set be better liked and accepted by the community here. All orders as of now will be canceled and the order form is being shut down. In fairness to everybody involved in this, ill be moving back to my Interest Check thread to continue developing this set.
Woops, only read the first sentence. Thanks!Why can't I enter the Google form? Isn't this supposed to end in two days?
OP put the buy on hold:Firstly Id like to say thank you to everybody who was interested in this set as it stands. Ive had quite a few orders, just about 70 kits so far, and thats awesome so many of you wanted to get involved. But I also must say sorry to all of you who put in your orders. Due to the pretty large backlash from the community im putting this buy on hold. I will be working with Harlw and LivingSpeedBump to further refine this set and the groupbuy process to hopefully have this set be better liked and accepted by the community here. All orders as of now will be canceled and the order form is being shut down. In fairness to everybody involved in this, ill be moving back to my Interest Check thread to continue developing this set.