[GB] Dusk - An Elegant Dark-Colorway Keyset (BUY ON HOLD, SEE OP)

[Hispes]

Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.

As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.

Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.

I agree. I have been excited about this color scheme for a while, but with the recent trend of scams and the overall tone of this thread, I am wary to commit money in this fashion.  I definitely think he'll see more success with the Massdrop option, as even I am currently backing out until I feel more secure with the sale.

[sncbraxsc2]

In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:

Click here for a link to that response

For others that don't want to go to another thread:

Yes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.

Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.

Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is).

Although he has said that he is happy to work with trusted users here to help with sorting/shipping, I can understand wanting to be in control of every possible aspect in a first GB.

[mashby]

In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:

Click here for a link to that response

For others that don't want to go to another thread:

Yes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.

Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.

Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.

As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.

Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.

My intention with this reply is not to call into question hippo008's integrity, sincerity, or honesty. I don't know him/her and have never had any dealings with this person. I've decided to purchase a small kit (Color Kit / Mod) and wish the best for this group buy and hope it will succeed.

That being said, YabosMcGee voiced some very valid concerns and it's good that these questions are being asked and discussed. There are risks with any group buy, but often times these don't get discussed. I commented on livingspeedbump's recent thread about group buys outlining my thoughts and although I personally prefer the self-run individual group buy, it is the riskiest.

As a buyer, you are entrusting an individual to handle a large sum of money, conduct a large transaction with the manufacturer and then process one large delivery into individual orders and ship them timely. That is a lot of responsibly for just one person. I'm not saying that hippo008 isn't up for the task, but with only 51 posts and no real history with the community there isn't a lot of information to make an informed decision.

Past performance is no indicator of future success. We've seen very well respected members run poor/failed group buys over the past few years, but it's important to be aware that this is hippo008's first rodeo.

I'm only purchasing the Color Kit / Mod kit so my risk is relatively low, but his level of transparency during the initial phases will be a key indicator for me if I will actually buy the kit. Communication is one of the easiest aspects of any group buy.

Again, I'm not calling into question hippo008's integrity. There is risk with any group buy so it's important to be aware of what the risks are and make an informed decision of where to put your money.

[livingspeedbump]

In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:

Click here for a link to that response

For others that don't want to go to another thread:

Yes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.

Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.

Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.

As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.

Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.

My intention with this reply is not to call into question hippo008's integrity, sincerity, or honesty. I don't know him/her and have never had any dealings with this person. I've decided to purchase a small kit (Color Kit / Mod) and wish the best for this group buy and hope it will succeed.

That being said, YabosMcGee voiced some very valid concerns and it's good that these questions are being asked and discussed. There are risks with any group buy, but often times these don't get discussed. I commented on livingspeedbump's recent thread about group buys outlining my thoughts and although I personally prefer the self-run individual group buy, it is the riskiest.

As a buyer, you are entrusting an individual to handle a large sum of money, conduct a large transaction with the manufacturer and then process one large delivery into individual orders and ship them timely. That is a lot of responsibly for just one person. I'm not saying that hippo008 isn't up for the task, but with only 51 posts and no real history with the community there isn't a lot of information to make an informed decision.

Past performance is no indicator of future success. We've seen very well respected members run poor/failed group buys over the past few years, but it's important to be aware that this is hippo008's first rodeo.

I'm only purchasing the Color Kit / Mod kit so my risk is relatively low, but his level of transparency during the initial phases will be a key indicator for me if I will actually buy the kit. Communication is one of the easiest aspects of any group buy.

Again, I'm not calling into question hippo008's integrity. There is risk with any group buy so it's important to be aware of what the risks are and make an informed decision of where to put your money.

I've PM'd him. I am going to try to help him if I can, even if that means finding this set a home on PMK or something of that nature  I definitely applaud his willingness to get involved in the community, and think intentions are good, but veteran members all are wary for good reason - we've all been burned at some point (or stood by and watched those threads burn, while silently laughing to yourself...) Back on track. I do see potential here, but I think a few more developed child deals, and a good home to handle the kit will make it 10x more successful than the way it stands now.

[trenzafeeds]

Eyyy, who gave you reddit gold?

[hippo008]

please see updated OP

[DreaMagine]

Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.

I agree with you, and this does make me much more hesitant to place an order by going with this format. There have been many past instances were the sole group buy organizer has either disappeared with people's money, or dragged out the process for years, all while the people who ordered are stuck waiting around and hoping that they will get what they paid for.

SP has the resources already set up to handle group buys with shipping directly through them, why not use it? It all just seems very shady, and the explanation doesn't sit well with me.

[trenzafeeds]

Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.

I agree with you, and this does make me much more hesitant to place an order by going with this format. There have been many past instances were the sole group buy organizer has either disappeared with people's money, or dragged out the process for years, all while the people who ordered are stuck waiting around and hoping that they will get what they paid for.

SP has the resources already set up to handle group buys with shipping directly through them, why not use it? It all just seems very shady, and the explanation doesn't sit well with me.

There have also been a majority of situations where this format has worked out perfectly fine. It's just those threads don't get bumped a couple times a month because they're over.

[YabosMcGee]

In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:

Click here for a link to that response

For others that don't want to go to another thread:

Yes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.

Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.

Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.

As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.

Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.

My intention with this reply is not to call into question hippo008's integrity, sincerity, or honesty. I don't know him/her and have never had any dealings with this person. I've decided to purchase a small kit (Color Kit / Mod) and wish the best for this group buy and hope it will succeed.

That being said, YabosMcGee voiced some very valid concerns and it's good that these questions are being asked and discussed. There are risks with any group buy, but often times these don't get discussed. I commented on livingspeedbump's recent thread about group buys outlining my thoughts and although I personally prefer the self-run individual group buy, it is the riskiest.

As a buyer, you are entrusting an individual to handle a large sum of money, conduct a large transaction with the manufacturer and then process one large delivery into individual orders and ship them timely. That is a lot of responsibly for just one person. I'm not saying that hippo008 isn't up for the task, but with only 51 posts and no real history with the community there isn't a lot of information to make an informed decision.

Past performance is no indicator of future success. We've seen very well respected members run poor/failed group buys over the past few years, but it's important to be aware that this is hippo008's first rodeo.

I'm only purchasing the Color Kit / Mod kit so my risk is relatively low, but his level of transparency during the initial phases will be a key indicator for me if I will actually buy the kit. Communication is one of the easiest aspects of any group buy.

Again, I'm not calling into question hippo008's integrity. There is risk with any group buy so it's important to be aware of what the risks are and make an informed decision of where to put your money.

I've PM'd him. I am going to try to help him if I can, even if that means finding this set a home on PMK or something of that nature  I definitely applaud his willingness to get involved in the community, and think intentions are good, but veteran members all are wary for good reason - we've all been burned at some point (or stood by and watched those threads burn, while silently laughing to yourself...) Back on track. I do see potential here, but I think a few more developed child deals, and a good home to handle the kit will make it 10x more successful than the way it stands now.

OP - Thank you for updating the post to offer more transparency into the whole process. It does suck that it's stuck in "voting" on PMK. From SP's own announcement of the new site, the redesign was supposed to have made getting sets up for sale easier and more automated. Obviously, that's still not true. Hopefully with your update some of the more "influential" members can maybe get your set pushed through. I think the safety of a PMK or Massdrop site, coupled with the higher visibility, will make this set more successful. If you do get stuck having to do this by yourself, my only other recommendation is to keep an update on the current order tiers, so that people can decide whether they want to join or not.

Livingspeedbump - I can't speak for everyone, but I do appreciate you looking to get involved. Getting someone that's gone through this process before adds confidence to this GB. Hopefully OP can still get the set in either PMK or Massdrop, but if not, I think everyone will agree that having a seasoned hand involved should assuage a lot of fears.

[stuplarosa]

Noob.  What would I need for a white fox true fox layout?

Unfortunately, unless more child deals are added, this set isn't truly compatible. You'd need a 1.5 backspace, a 1.75 shift, and a 1 unit backslash.

Oh well.  Thanks.

[stuplarosa]

Noob.  What would I need for a white fox true fox layout?

Yeah, not compatible. Unfortunately a few of the White Fox layouts are very uncommon, if not totally new, and probably won't be supported for a while with keycap sets, especially ones that are already in IC or GB stages. DSA profile will be your friend with the White Fox

I'll keep watching then.  I have some time before the Fox arrives...

[livingspeedbump]

In the IC, he did address why he is taking this all on himself rather than let SP deal with it:

Click here for a link to that response

For others that don't want to go to another thread:

Yes, there's a very specific reason. I have always loved creating something. While i may not be the one cutting the keys, injecting the plastic, or making the dyes, the sense of accomplishment and reward of loving something enough to bring it to reality is my drug of choice. In fact i'm making a career out of it as an industrial designer.

Sure I could do it the easy way, but wheres the soul? When this things all said and done, ill be able to call this keyset mine. That's why I'm choosing to do it the hard way, and thats why im doing this project as a break even affair.

Personally, I don't see how doing the logistics of the sale part makes it any more "his" than being the actual designer (which he is). If he was actually doing the plastic injection molding himself, I could understand wanting to do the ENTIRE process himself. I mean, all that's happening now is that he's taking the money, sending the money to SP, receiving the order, and then having to send the order out himself. From my understanding, this used to be the norm only because there weren't any other options in place. Now, between Massdrop and PMK, there are options that not only protect the consumer, but protect the creator as well. Again, just my opinion.

As I already stated, I don't feel like he's going to just run off with our money. But, what happens if issues come up? So much could go wrong: manufacturing errors, shipping errors, unforeseen costs, payment errors, and so on. Hell, what happens if he's hit by a bus (it's always a bus in these scenarios, for some reason)? Where does that leave everyone that's already sent in money? I just really feel that the risk of any problems that could occur outweigh the benefits - none of which actually benefit the consumer.

Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I really think you should rethink the GB format. I'd like to see this set do well, and I just don't think it will, if sold like this.

My intention with this reply is not to call into question hippo008's integrity, sincerity, or honesty. I don't know him/her and have never had any dealings with this person. I've decided to purchase a small kit (Color Kit / Mod) and wish the best for this group buy and hope it will succeed.

That being said, YabosMcGee voiced some very valid concerns and it's good that these questions are being asked and discussed. There are risks with any group buy, but often times these don't get discussed. I commented on livingspeedbump's recent thread about group buys outlining my thoughts and although I personally prefer the self-run individual group buy, it is the riskiest.

As a buyer, you are entrusting an individual to handle a large sum of money, conduct a large transaction with the manufacturer and then process one large delivery into individual orders and ship them timely. That is a lot of responsibly for just one person. I'm not saying that hippo008 isn't up for the task, but with only 51 posts and no real history with the community there isn't a lot of information to make an informed decision.

Past performance is no indicator of future success. We've seen very well respected members run poor/failed group buys over the past few years, but it's important to be aware that this is hippo008's first rodeo.

I'm only purchasing the Color Kit / Mod kit so my risk is relatively low, but his level of transparency during the initial phases will be a key indicator for me if I will actually buy the kit. Communication is one of the easiest aspects of any group buy.

Again, I'm not calling into question hippo008's integrity. There is risk with any group buy so it's important to be aware of what the risks are and make an informed decision of where to put your money.

I've PM'd him. I am going to try to help him if I can, even if that means finding this set a home on PMK or something of that nature  I definitely applaud his willingness to get involved in the community, and think intentions are good, but veteran members all are wary for good reason - we've all been burned at some point (or stood by and watched those threads burn, while silently laughing to yourself...) Back on track. I do see potential here, but I think a few more developed child deals, and a good home to handle the kit will make it 10x more successful than the way it stands now.

OP - Thank you for updating the post to offer more transparency into the whole process. It does suck that it's stuck in "voting" on PMK. From SP's own announcement of the new site, the redesign was supposed to have made getting sets up for sale easier and more automated. Obviously, that's still not true. Hopefully with your update some of the more "influential" members can maybe get your set pushed through. I think the safety of a PMK or Massdrop site, coupled with the higher visibility, will make this set more successful. If you do get stuck having to do this by yourself, my only other recommendation is to keep an update on the current order tiers, so that people can decide whether they want to join or not.

Livingspeedbump - I can't speak for everyone, but I do appreciate you looking to get involved. Getting someone that's gone through this process before adds confidence to this GB. Hopefully OP can still get the set in either PMK or Massdrop, but if not, I think everyone will agree that having a seasoned hand involved should assuage a lot of fears.

Well, I do like the idea of the set. I had some concerns, as did others, but more than that I like the OP's attitude about wanting to get involved. Those are the kinds of people we should want to keep and encourage to remain active in our community. Instead of just being super critical or down putting I'd much rather spend the time to help this happen  I do agree that MD or PMK is probably still the way to go, but I talk to both of them pretty much daily so hopefully we can find this set a good home when its ready 

[Jumie]

I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk

[Niomosy]

Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment.  The IC page links are gone off the site right now.  As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop -  rather than trying to use a poll.  They're all over the place with regard to polls.

That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.

[trenzafeeds]

Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment.  The IC page links are gone off the site right now.  As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop -  rather than trying to use a poll.  They're all over the place with regard to polls.

That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.

I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk

This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?

[HoffmanMyster]

Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment.  The IC page links are gone off the site right now.  As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop -  rather than trying to use a poll.  They're all over the place with regard to polls.

That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.

I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk

This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?

It's not too late to re-think the platform the buy is run on, especially if it will drastically change the number of interested users.

[trenzafeeds]

Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment.  The IC page links are gone off the site right now.  As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop -  rather than trying to use a poll.  They're all over the place with regard to polls.

That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.

I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk

This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?

It's not too late to re-think the platform the buy is run on, especially if it will drastically change the number of interested users.

Yeah, I guess so, it just irks a little bit how much disrespect is being shown to hippo I feel. I don't think any of these people saw the labor of love he went through to get this keyset to where it is, and all of a sudden they pop up at groupbuy stage with tons of ideas about things he's doing wrong.

[HoffmanMyster]

Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment.  The IC page links are gone off the site right now.  As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop -  rather than trying to use a poll.  They're all over the place with regard to polls.

That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.

I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk

This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?

It's not too late to re-think the platform the buy is run on, especially if it will drastically change the number of interested users.

Yeah, I guess so, it just irks a little bit how much disrespect is being shown to hippo I feel. I don't think any of these people saw the labor of love he went through to get this keyset to where it is, and all of a sudden they pop up at groupbuy stage with tons of ideas about things he's doing wrong.

Very true. That seems to happen quite a bit, unfortunately.

[hippo008]

Merry Christmas everyone, hope everybody is having a good day.

I thought a update was in order so here we go

Ive been getting a lot of mixed messages here. I have more and more orders everyday but also more and more hate/distaste in this thread everyday. Some people seem to love the set and are okay with how things are running and a seemingly good chunk of other people really dislike the set and how im doing things. So im at a loss here guys. I'm not really sure what people want to happen here. In my updated OP I explained the current situation with Massdrop and PMK but to quickly re-hash, both of them never got back to me. No senior members got back to me either about getting involved somehow. While I would like to run this set with senior help or through a retailer like Massdrop nothing has pulled through for me. Because nothing worked out I decided to move on and run this as a one man show but clearly the community is pretty divided over that decision.

So im leaving the fate of this groupbuy to you guys because I am entirely unsure what the community is calling for. What do you all want to see happen. Updated plans? Retailer help? Senior GeekHack member help? Just letting this whole set go?

Let me know what you think.

[livingspeedbump]

Merry Christmas everyone, hope everybody is having a good day.

I thought a update was in order so here we go

Ive been getting a lot of mixed messages here. I have more and more orders everyday but also more and more hate/distaste in this thread everyday. Some people seem to love the set and are okay with how things are running and a seemingly good chunk of other people really dislike the set and how im doing things. So im at a loss here guys. I'm not really sure what people want to happen here. In my updated OP I explained the current situation with Massdrop and PMK but to quickly re-hash, both of them never got back to me. No senior members got back to me either about getting involved somehow. While I would like to run this set with senior help or through a retailer like Massdrop nothing has pulled through for me. Because nothing worked out I decided to move on and run this as a one man show but clearly the community is pretty divided over that decision.

So im leaving the fate of this groupbuy to you guys because I am entirely unsure what the community is calling for. What do you all want to see happen. Updated plans? Retailer help? Senior GeekHack member help? Just letting this whole set go?

Let me know what you think.

I'm around to help in anyway if needed. With the Planck/ErgoDox drops I think developing those kits is important. The white fox also just sold 1000+ units, and not rushing this set also gives you a unique opportunity to develop some kits for those as well. Again, would be happy to help with those as well.

If you want to continue to develop this set I can help you out in any way needed. I do think finding a really fitting 4th color to use in some way will really help differentiate this set from Calm Depths as well. That, plus more developed kits, will help this set easily be able to find a home on PMK or MD, which I will also gladly help you arrange.

Finally, If you do continue to really work on this (we can really nail down this kits in a few weeks probably honestly, and that is at most, taking holiday travels into consideration) I'd also be more than happy to pay half of the fee for Thesiscamper do to some 3D renders. That plus Harlw's amazing renders combined with the other stuff I mentioned would really make this a killer set i think! 

[tinymakesthings]

Loving both Calm Depths and PuLSE so I also like this colorway (to be honest, I just like anything with blue in it, hah). Hopefully this can make it through to production! I'm not sure whether or not to fill out the doc yet as it seems like there is confusion about production... But I'll be following this thread and ivingspeedbump sounds like a great resource for getting this set off the ground!

[livingspeedbump]

Am I reading the pricing right? The modifier kit is almost $300 if there are fewer than 25 orders? Is there a way to tell the current tier for each set? It's a very nice kit for sure, but I have to think about my other expenses (again I'm assuming the pricing is in USD).

Yeah, this is correct and nothing new. The thing is, people usually dont list these pricing tiers because the set obviously won't run if only 5 sets run. The MOQ (Minimum Order Quantity) is usually 100 at the very least which brings the price down to a much more reasonable cost for everyone. For guys like GMK its usually 500 sets or so. Signature Plastics will send you a quote for anything from 1-10000+ sets though.

But yeah, I'd delete those small pricing tiers. They will scare people.

[Niomosy]

Looks like PMK isn't even a possibility at the moment.  The IC page links are gone off the site right now.  As to Massdrop, contact them via the Support page - there's an option to contact them regarding selling on MassDrop -  rather than trying to use a poll.  They're all over the place with regard to polls.

That is assuming you haven't already gone that route.

I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk

This isn't a ****ing IC, it's already in groupbuy phase. What do you think is going to happen?

People keep talking about these other routes so I simply chimed in on that.  I'm fully aware of the fact that he stated in the IC thread that he was going to run this without them. 

[Radlife]

Can you keep us updated at which price tier we are at? I have to say those are intimidating at the lower tiers.

[xondat]

There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.

Although I won't be buying into this, I think the most he could of done was contact Calm Depths and hope that he responds; the colors are similar, yes, but the creative inspiration and process is still there.

[YabosMcGee]

There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.

Although I won't be buying into this, I think the most he could of done was contact Calm Depths and hope that he responds; the colors are similar, yes, but the creative inspiration and process is still there.

It's already in the thread. He tried contacting the creator of Calm Depths. Dude never answered.

[xondat]

There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.

Although I won't be buying into this, I think the most he could of done was contact Calm Depths and hope that he responds; the colors are similar, yes, but the creative inspiration and process is still there.

It's already in the thread. He tried contacting the creator of Calm Depths. Dude never answered.

Yeah I was saying how that's the most he could of done

[trenzafeeds]

There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.

No, people are just showing up cocky as **** without having read the IC, assuming that they're the first ones to ever have an idea. This IC went on for like a little less time than skidata+ I believe.

[harlw]

Merry Christmas everyone, hope everybody is having a good day.

I thought a update was in order so here we go

Ive been getting a lot of mixed messages here. I have more and more orders everyday but also more and more hate/distaste in this thread everyday. Some people seem to love the set and are okay with how things are running and a seemingly good chunk of other people really dislike the set and how im doing things. So im at a loss here guys. I'm not really sure what people want to happen here. In my updated OP I explained the current situation with Massdrop and PMK but to quickly re-hash, both of them never got back to me. No senior members got back to me either about getting involved somehow. While I would like to run this set with senior help or through a retailer like Massdrop nothing has pulled through for me. Because nothing worked out I decided to move on and run this as a one man show but clearly the community is pretty divided over that decision.

So im leaving the fate of this groupbuy to you guys because I am entirely unsure what the community is calling for. What do you all want to see happen. Updated plans? Retailer help? Senior GeekHack member help? Just letting this whole set go?

Let me know what you think.

I think, at this stage, it would be best to do a bit of work with myself, livingspeedbump, and anyone else willing to pitch in and address some of the kit problems and get a fresh start.


I hate that you will likely have to re-run this whole thing since you seem to be the victim of the weekly "**** on a random thread for no reason" ritual but I appreciate the mods and others who have chimed in and shut down those bringing up issues that would have been appropriate to discuss in the interest check stage.

[hippo008]

There's a hell of a lot of confusion in this thread. My main question would be: how are so many being questions being asked at the GROUP BUY stage? It sounds like it has been rushed into GB from IC waaaaaaay too quickly.

Although I won't be buying into this, I think the most he could of done was contact Calm Depths and hope that he responds; the colors are similar, yes, but the creative inspiration and process is still there.

The interest check went on for a few months. July to November I think, but not entirely sure. I can also assure you nothing was rushed during the IC phase. Everything that needed to be attended to was attended to. Including but not limited too, trying to get in contact with Calm, Planning out shipping, pricing tiers, a formal business plan, moving my PayPal account to business not personal, running my plan past a 20+ year financial professional, consulting with other groupbuy owners, facilitating the new row 4 shift molds with SP, ect. The only confusion around here is people like you derailing this thread for no good reason. Literally every single question asked in this thread with the exception of the question about whitefox has been asked and adressed in the IC phase. So next time before you post I suggest reading the appropriate information in the IC thread.

And to Harlw, yes I'm interested in working with you and speedbump some more on this set. I think until we can make some progress I'll be putting this buy on pause. Thanks for the reply

[nosage]

I don't think SP makes SA 6.5 unit spacebars.

[Niomosy]

Best of luck on the restructuring of this one, hippo.  It's a good looking set.  Sorry if I had any part in creating problems in this thread.

[rpapp]

I like this keycaps set very much and I'd really like to see this project take off.

The only reason I have not ordered yet is that there seems to be a problem with the ISO kit. My_Thoughts already mentioned this in the IC phase (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73578.msg1967682#msg1967682), but the problem still exists.

The ISO kit does not have a 1.25 left shift. I could get this through the "Additional Mods" kit, but what I cannot get at all, is the extra key between the left shift and Z. In the UK ISO set (which is what the ISO kit seems to support) this should be the |\ key, which, going with the theme of the set, should be labeled "|". I see a "|" key in the "Planck and Atomic" kit, but it is not in alpha color and seems to be for the top row (this is not specified though, but I guess it is in the same row as "esc" for a reason - I guess this is a variant of "|" for the leftmost position in row 2? Or is it meant to be the missing key?).

The problem is that without this the ISO kit is not functional. Frankly I do appreciate that there is an ISO kit at all, because lot of keysets don't even bother, but it would be even better if it worked

And if I wanted to nitpick, "@" and "~" in the ISO kit should be in alpha colors by default, at least this is how it's usually done (and this would be my preference as well).

The simplest way to fix this would be to add a 1.25 left shift, and alpha colored "|" (R4), "@" and "~" (R3) to the ISO kit.

Please don't give up, the set looks awsome! But also do please fix the ISO kit

[rpapp]

OK, to illustrate my previous post, this is what I think the fixed ISO kit should look like:


http://bit.ly/1kpHdfA

[Kibort]

I think this set is gorgeous. Im very new to this all tho. If i were to join this how long would it take for me to actually receive the keycaps since they still have to be made in the first place. I'm guessing like close to a year?

[hippo008]

I think this set is gorgeous. Im very new to this all tho. If i were to join this how long would it take for me to actually receive the keycaps since they still have to be made in the first place. I'm guessing like close to a year?

My most recent dealings with SP would put this set to be finished and shipped around late April or May of 2016. However please do see the OP, for now Ill be putting this buy on pause and canceling the current orders. As Harlw and Speedbump have suggested ill be working with them a to refine this set further due to community backlash.

Thanks for your interest and genuine question though. Im sorry about the delay.

Angus

[xondat]

My bad for the misunderstanding.

Perhaps consider redoing the original post? I know that most people aren't going to read 100+ posts do get information that should of been there from the start. GLWS.

[Kibort]

You're a nice guy Hippo ignore the guys bashing u. I don't care if the set looks similar to something else. There are only so many colour options available it's only normal for some will have similarities...
anyways do what you got to do mate, i'll be here waiting for this beauty and in the meanwhile maybe make a custom case for it
peace

[roostrc0gburn]

if this group buy launches, i am in

[m1kehonch0]

Hey hippo, I dig the set, and I hope you can work out everyones gripes and make the project a go again. I just dropped in to see where it was at because I planned on getting in on it. So, once this is re initiated, lmk and Ill jump on board. Thanks for your time in putting this together for the community.

[MeltingTeeth]

I'm interested, but just like others here, I'll wait until it has a good home like either md or pmk

Same here.

[xnuo]

same here too.

[ssbsts]

am interested!

[roostrc0gburn]

Sad news. Mostly I am bummed to learn that "the community" would shut this down. Perhaps this is just to soon. Hopefully, in the future there will be more open-mindedness

[yannickg]

Interested too.

[livingspeedbump]

Sad news. Mostly I am bummed to learn that "the community" would shut this down. Perhaps this is just to soon. Hopefully, in the future there will be more open-mindedness

Not shut down This will be entirely Hippo's set in the end, but a few of us are helping him out. Emails are actively being sent around now about making this kit as awesome, and unique, and complete as possible. 

[m1kehonch0]

Sad news. Mostly I am bummed to learn that "the community" would shut this down. Perhaps this is just to soon. Hopefully, in the future there will be more open-mindedness

Not shut down This will be entirely Hippo's set in the end, but a few of us are helping him out. Emails are actively being sent around now about making this kit as awesome, and unique, and complete as possible. 

Good to hear! Keep us in the loop.

[livingspeedbump]

Sad news. Mostly I am bummed to learn that "the community" would shut this down. Perhaps this is just to soon. Hopefully, in the future there will be more open-mindedness

Not shut down This will be entirely Hippo's set in the end, but a few of us are helping him out. Emails are actively being sent around now about making this kit as awesome, and unique, and complete as possible. 

Good to hear! Keep us in the loop.

Any real/big updates will come from Hippo, I just didn't want people to think this wasn't happening!

[whmeltonjr]

Is there any chance the number row and mods will get traditional dual legends on them? Or will they be left as is?

[TheWhiteAndTheBlue]

Though I'm new to the GH community, I just wanted to say I think set looks great and I will definitely be jumping on it whenever it comes back. Great design Hippo and good luck getting it off the ground.