Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 23 September 2015, 23:22:39
So the time has come....
(http://i.imgur.com/LVOHM6N.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/LVOHM6N.png)
Let's make some Alps boards folks! After lengthy discussions and tweaks (see here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74524.0) for the IC), we are finally ready to Cross the Alps.
This will be a combined group buy for lots of Alps-centric bits. Things have been picked to provide almost everything you need to build a 60% Alps board. You can get a project kit in one package. If you only want one thing (e.g. 100 switches) you can get that. I'm casting the widest possible net to make as many people happy as possible.
What you can order:
1. PCB - (101/25)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ofqw6GBh.jpg)
This part will be an order for assembled PCBs from hasu. The hasu circuit board has a ton of possibilities and has been previously successful. It supports AEK ANSI, Dell ANSI & ISO, Infinity, and other layouts. The firmware is customizable and well written. If you want to read more about the PCB, there is loads of info from the previous round of GB for it here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0).
Each assembled PCB will cost $37.50 (which is $35 + $2.50 to ship to me per board) The minimum order for this part of the GB is 25. Unlike previous sales, hasu cannot provide unassembled boards with or without parts.
2. Plates - (89/25)
Plates were designed by JDCarpe and BlueNalgene. All plates requested in the IC before the deadline are being offered: Dell AT101, Dell AT101W, Dell AT102W, AEKII ANSI, AEKII ISO, and Infinity ANSI. (Note: the AEKII ISO will not work with the hasu PCB) Each plate will be laser cut from 16ga. T-304 stainless steel by a company local to my area (saves on shipping).
Here are pics of the plates available:
More
AT101
(http://i.imgur.com/eFU9yvV.png)
AT101W
(http://i.imgur.com/6c1zo0I.png)
AT102W
(http://i.imgur.com/VEpgjGnm.png)
AEKII ANSI
(http://i.imgur.com/oDYXjW8.png)
AEKII ISO
(http://i.imgur.com/E2Qb2n4.png)
Infinity hacker style
(http://i.imgur.com/acGRa5gm.png)
HHKB Layout
(http://i.imgur.com/JPuJwjd.png)
The current quote for plates is $27.50 each. This price may drop if we can reach a certain number of orders. The MOQ for this price is 25 units. By smiling and showing a little of my man-cleavage, I was able to get this MOQ to count for the total order. That means if the group orders 10 at101 style, 10 at101w style, and 5 aekii style we will still get the order at this price.
2.5 Powder Coating - (12/5)
A powder coating option is available for those ordering plates. Since this is BlueNalgene's GB, I'm obviously going with blue. If there are enough orders to reach my MOQ, I'm going to go into the local powder coating place and say
"Hey powder coating person"
"...hey man"
"I hereby demand that these plates get a totally wicked blue coloring"
"..."
"I mean I want a bright ****ing obnoxious blue color that will make the ladies faint"
"...whatever you say man *cough*"
So the price on this is a little bit more complicated. I was quoted that each plate would cost $20.00 to coat, and each color change would cost $25.00. I set the MOQ at 5, that way the participants will pay $25.00 at max for the option. If more join than 5, then the price will drop.
3. Switches - (click: 1640, quiet click: 3980, quiet linear: 1210)
Part of this GB will be for Matias switches. You know about them, you love them, now you can get them on the cheap. I have arranged some bulk prices for Matias click, quiet click, and quiet linear switches. Purchases will need to be made in quantities of 10, to make life easier on me. The switches will be directly from Matias in boxes of 200 switches per box. The price per switch, depending on the quantity ordered, will vary from $0.25 to $0.14 per switch, not including shipping. The MOQ and price structure is a little complicated on this, so stay with me here.
For orders of
200-1000 switches, the unit price is $0.25 each
1200-2200 - $0.20 each
2400-4400 - $0.18 each
4800-9400 - $0.16 each
9600+ - $0.14 each
The quantity ordered is for each switch type UNLESS we can reach an order of 9600 switches combined. E.g. if we want 4000 click, 2200 quiet, and 3800 linear quiet - we would get the $0.14 price. However, if we only could reach 2000 click, 2000 quiet, and 2000 linear quiet, we would be paying the $0.20 price. Like I said, a little complicated. But never fear, excel will take care of the math for us.
4. Raffle
I hinted in the IC about a little bonus, and I may have deliberately left clues in some of my other posts, but here is my big secret. I have been experimenting with production of artisan caps. One of the complaints I have seen before is how there are never any artisans available for Alps switches. That changes today.
Because how can you cross the Alps.....
(http://i.imgur.com/7Pbdccw.jpg)
...without elephants?
Pictured are Sick Slime, Drunken Delirium, and Supple Skin colored Barca keycaps. All GB participants will be entered into a drawing to receive one of the caps I made, and there are more than just those three Barcas.
Closed
FAQ
Q. Are you offering keycap sets?
A. No, but there is currently a GB for Alpine Winter (here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74783)) and there will be some olivetti/dolch sets soon at some online retailers.
Q. How much will shipping be?
A. It depends on what you ordered. Since there are options which will vary from a few switches to a bunch of metal plates, I don't have a single price. It will be cheap for CONUS, expensive for INTL. If there are several INTL orders, you might consider combining orders to save on the overseas part.
Q. You have no GB experience, how do I know you aren't some skeezeball who will abscond with my hard earned liquid capital?
A. I can't prove I'm reliable. I can only promise that I will try my dammedest to not knowingly screw you over. I'm a long time forum denizen which may not be apparent from my low post count. I lurked for a while before joining almost a year ago. I have a few successful trades/purchases on here, and they might be able to provide a good reference if you require it. CptBadass, a 'respected' member says of me:
Quote
Confirmed BlueNalgene is the homie and reliable. Makes me ill artwork for my zine. 10/10 Would trust. Plus alps <3
Q. Why are you doing this?
A. Because I want one dammit, and you can't get anything done around here without a committee. grumblegrumblegrumble
Q. else?
A. goto 10
Q. I don't get the Hannibal thing.
A. That isn't a question.
Q. Wait, weren't you doing a Napoleon thing in the IC?
A. Yeah, but I had the Hannibal thing in my sleeve for when the GB went live. Do try to keep up.
Q. Will this work with my Poker style case?
A. Probably. Here is a list of cases and known compatibility from hasu's thread:
Poker X
Pure CNC
Poker II
Pok3r (untested)
V60 KBP (requires sanding on USB slot)
Hammer Alu
Tex Aluminum case (some diode shorting issues reported)
Tex Acrylic case
Q. When does the GB form close?
A. October 5th
Q. How much will it cost to ship to me?
A. These estimates were made by assuming the package is under 1lb., worth $100, and taxed as 8538.90 type item. Country list made from current orders and requests. If you want your country added to the list, just ask. All values in USD. These are just rough calculations. Did I totally **** up somewhere? Sorry.
CONUS - <$10
Canada (BC) - $11.75 + $8.30 duty
Germany - $17.95 + $22.20 duty
Netherlands - $17.95 + $24.20 duty
Norway - $17.95 + $25.00 duty
Singapore - $17.50 + $7.00 duty
UK - $17.95 + $23.20 duty
Bulgaria - $17.95 + $23.20 duty
Edit: 9/24 @10:30 pm local - added to FAQ, updated counts.
Edit: 9/25 @ 2:49 pm local - Major change to AT101 style and added HHKB plate
Edit: 9/26 @ 5:00 pm local - updated counts
Edit: 9/28 @11:04 pm local - updated counts
Edit: 10/1 @ 7:30 pm local - updated counts, added Bulgaria to country list
Edit: 10/4 @12:01 pm local - updated counts
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 23 September 2015, 23:22:58
Post by: Karura on Thu, 24 September 2015, 08:30:28
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
I'm definitely in for 1 or 2 plates.
Would really love to see a stealth-pure-black powder coating. Maybe I'm not alone in this.
Post by: JaccoW on Thu, 24 September 2015, 08:38:29
Any tips regarding cases btw?
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 24 September 2015, 08:55:39
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 08:58:12
What are people using for cases?
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 24 September 2015, 09:01:26
http://imgur.com/a/W08u6 (http://imgur.com/a/W08u6)
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 24 September 2015, 09:03:17
What are people using for cases?
Assuming the PCB isn't changing its mounting holes and the plate isn't oversized, you can see a list of compatible cases from Hasu's original GB thread here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0). It's about halfway down in the OP.
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Thu, 24 September 2015, 09:11:29
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 24 September 2015, 09:22:24
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 24 September 2015, 09:33:05
Nice GB.
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
I'm definitely in for 1 or 2 plates.
Would really love to see a stealth-pure-black powder coating. Maybe I'm not alone in this.
+1 This was my exact thoughts also. I actually thought this was the plan all along?
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 10:30:29
What are people using for cases?
Assuming the PCB isn't changing its mounting holes and the plate isn't oversized, you can see a list of compatible cases from Hasu's original GB thread here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0). It's about halfway down in the OP.
Thanks bud, so it looks like as long as the case is poker compatible it should fit this pcb, cool.
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 24 September 2015, 10:33:17
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 10:58:11
I just want to make sure people are aware that the new Alps keyset will cover the following layouts "Dell AT101(W), AEKII, and Infinity Hacker".
People might want to keep that in mind when selecting their plate.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74783.msg1845812#msg1845812 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74783.msg1845812#msg1845812)
Post by: Hypersphere on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:02:46
Naive question: Will the PCB and plates have the necessary holes for installing the keyboard into a standard aluminum case such as the TEK CNC 60% case?
Post by: linuxhermit on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:05:45
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:11:50
Post by: kennardsmith on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:17:37
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:21:37
I'm so happy this is now live!
Methinks I'll order 2 sets of PCBs & plates.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:24:22
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 24 September 2015, 11:26:19
Now I just have to build a 60% WKL case :eek:
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 24 September 2015, 12:04:22
Ordered 2 pcbs, a Dell 101W, and an Infinity for this buy. Should go well with the caps from njbair's Alpine Winter, and the Dolch Tai Hao set from Massdrop.
A thought did occur to me...what can I do about stabs? I'm planning on harvesting a set from an old AEKI I've got, but I'll need some for the 2nd build. Is there anywhere a guy can get stabs without harvesting these days?
Post by: braidn on Thu, 24 September 2015, 12:25:56
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 12:49:03
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 12:56:14
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 24 September 2015, 13:10:09
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 24 September 2015, 13:10:13
Nice GB.
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
I'm definitely in for 1 or 2 plates.
Would really love to see a stealth-pure-black powder coating. Maybe I'm not alone in this.
CommonCurt brought this up to me as well. Something tells me I didn't understand what you guys wanted. Pic of the layout, and I will fix it.
Nice, I'll be putting in my order later today. When is the deadline for this GB?
Any tips regarding cases btw?
Joined! thanks Blue :cool:
What are people using for cases?
Deadline is Oct 5th for the order form unless we need a final push for more orders.
From the hasu thread, the cases with known compatibility are:
Poker X
Pure CNC
Poker II
Pok3r (untested)
V60 KBP (requires sanding on USB slot)
Hammer Alu
Tex Aluminum case (some diode shorting issues reported)
Tex Acrylic case
I will add both of these questions to the faq soonish.
I assume appropriate vetting will be done to make sure powder coating thickness won't be an issue?
It will done. I expect it might take some finangling, since on the phone the powder coating guy sounded a little baked.
I hope it's ok that I'm linking the SP Alps keyset IC here, Blue.
I just want to make sure people are aware that the new Alps keyset will cover the following layouts "Dell AT101(W), AEKII, and Infinity Hacker".
People might want to keep that in mind when selecting their plate.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74783.msg1845812#msg1845812 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74783.msg1845812#msg1845812)
Linking to Alpine Winter is fine. I did it in the FAQ up above. NJBair and I actually did some coordinating to make sure that we would be deploying around the same time and the layouts would match the caps offered.
Thanks for undertaking this.
Naive question: Will the PCB and plates have the necessary holes for installing the keyboard into a standard aluminum case such as the TEK CNC 60% case?
The holes are there. The TEX aluminum has had some problems with diodes though. You may need to do add a layer of dielectric to protect them if you use that case.
And ordered. Looking forward to seeing what the powder coating color is.
Sexy. That's what color it will be. Sexy.
I already have a 60% alps in AEKII layout from hasu's round 2.
Ordered 2 pcbs, a Dell 101W, and an Infinity for this buy. Should go well with the caps from njbair's Alpine Winter, and the Dolch Tai Hao set from Massdrop.
A thought did occur to me...what can I do about stabs? I'm planning on harvesting a set from an old AEKI I've got, but I'll need some for the 2nd build. Is there anywhere a guy can get stabs without harvesting these days?
Stab holes are designed for cannibalized parts. However a Matias stab GB was suggested by a member on DT, so there is interest. That would make a good add-on GB if anyone feels froggy. I'm hesitant to add it on this GB because I've never seen the Matias set used, so I don't know what it contains or how compatible it would be.
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 24 September 2015, 13:19:24
Stab holes are designed for cannibalized parts. However a Matias stab GB was suggested by a member on DT, so there is interest. That would make a good add-on GB if anyone feels froggy. I'm hesitant to add it on this GB because I've never seen the Matias set used, so I don't know what it contains or how compatible it would be.
I had no idea Matias was selling stab sets. Looks like they can be bought for $15 shipped to CONUS here: http://matias.ca/order/#keycaps
I'll probably pick up a set or two and report back on my findings.
Post by: shoostep on Thu, 24 September 2015, 13:23:53
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 13:26:42
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 24 September 2015, 14:29:51
Nice GB.CommonCurt brought this up to me as well. Something tells me I didn't understand what you guys wanted. Pic of the layout, and I will fix it.
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
Thank you :) Like this.
(http://i.imgur.com/HzzV3Ta.jpg)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 24 September 2015, 14:38:48
Nice GB.CommonCurt brought this up to me as well. Something tells me I didn't understand what you guys wanted. Pic of the layout, and I will fix it.
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
Thank you :) Like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HzzV3Ta.jpg)
Ok, I made it.
(http://i.imgur.com/eFU9yvV.png)
I need to see if the change will be acceptable for the two people who have ordered the wkl already. Otherwise, I will just make a new plate option on the form.
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 24 September 2015, 14:47:41
Ok, I made it.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eFU9yvV.png)
I need to see if the change will be acceptable for the two people who have ordered the wkl already. Otherwise, I will just make a new plate option on the form.
Hey, there's someone else as crazy as me! :))
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:33:55
Just a word on stabs: the plates in this GB use Alps stabilizer inserts. I'm not sure what kind of inserts the Tai Hao keysets from Massdrop use, but I know SP uses cherry costar-style keycap stab inserts. So the Matias stab wires will not fit SP caps. You will have to bend custom wires to use with SP Alps caps.
The Alps stabs that Matias sells should work with the Costar-style inserts. I just need to modify the plate drawings to include both "positions" for the stab clips. I'm only waiting on Edgar to get back to me with the dimensions for those (he's in China right now).
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:40:54
I remember that mockup be posted in a thread a while back. I didn't realize you were planning on adding both positions to these plates.Just a word on stabs: the plates in this GB use Alps stabilizer inserts. I'm not sure what kind of inserts the Tai Hao keysets from Massdrop use, but I know SP uses cherry costar-style keycap stab inserts. So the Matias stab wires will not fit SP caps. You will have to bend custom wires to use with SP Alps caps.
The Alps stabs that Matias sells should work with the Costar-style inserts. I just need to modify the plate drawings to include both "positions" for the stab clips. I'm only waiting on Edgar to get back to me with the dimensions for those (he's in China right now).
Overall this is good news, but nickheller is going to kill me. I convinced him to buy all these wire bending tools this afternoon, thinking we'd all have to rig this stuff together to work with SP caps.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:42:22
nickheller is going to kill me. I convinced him to buy all these wire bending tools this afternoon, thinking we'd all have to rig this stuff together to work with SP caps.
Maybe nickheller can sell us all some 7u Costar stab wires :D
Here is Matias' post about the stabs:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60268.msg1486047#msg1486047
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:43:07
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Oh, and blue to match the Alpine set?? whuut
Also:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 16:45:24
The really ironic part is, I almost bought all the same tools myself. They're sitting in my Amazon cart right now. The only reason I didn't buy them yet is because I had some add-on items in there too, and I needed $25 with of goods sold by Amazon, but I only had $24.47.nickheller is going to kill me. I convinced him to buy all these wire bending tools this afternoon, thinking we'd all have to rig this stuff together to work with SP caps.
Maybe nickheller can sell us all some 7u Costar stab wires :D
Post by: Karura on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:08:46
Nice GB.CommonCurt brought this up to me as well. Something tells me I didn't understand what you guys wanted. Pic of the layout, and I will fix it.
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
Thank you :) Like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HzzV3Ta.jpg)
Ok, I made it.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eFU9yvV.png)
I need to see if the change will be acceptable for the two people who have ordered the wkl already. Otherwise, I will just make a new plate option on the form.
AWESOME! You da man. Now I have to buy two plates :3
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:11:33
Hrm, perfect timing?I think they watch the forums like hawks. Hate to say it, but I may have to pick up a blue case myself.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Oh, and blue to match the Alpine set?? whuut
Also:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:16:07
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-metal-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-metal-case?mode=guest_open)
Post by: childofthehorn on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:38:06
Make my day PLEASE!!!!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 24 September 2015, 18:13:51
Is that Infinity Layout the Standard or Hacker layout? I have to ask.... seeing that I have an extra Infinity PCB and needed a flat plate (one I have is bent plate).
Make my day PLEASE!!!!
The one up there is Infinity Hacker layout. If you need Infinity Standard layout, JDCarpe sent his design for it. I can put it up as an option if you would like.
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:19:24
I do think the standard bottom row looks better, but that might be because I have not seen the hacker bottom row in person, or used it to see if I prefer it. I am sure I will be perfectly happy though.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:24:44
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:32:50
The plate and PCB have both passed the MOQ on the first day. WOOHOO!
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:34:31
Hrm, perfect timing?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Oh, and blue to match the Alpine set?? whuut
Also:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
3 hours left on the first drop I linked, I just joined myself - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:37:20
Update
The plate and PCB have both passed the MOQ on the first day. WOOHOO!
Amazing! And I haven't even joined yet because I'm still trying to decide on plates.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:47:51
I just picked up an AEKII with pink Alps for what I think was a reasonable price. What would you guys do? It seems really brutal to tear this thing apart to harvest for switches.
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:49:27
It feels like we are in for something special with this Alps love. I don't really know a lot about what I will need, but most of my questions have been answered already.
I just picked up an AEKII with pink Alps for what I think was a reasonable price. What would you guys do? It seems really brutal to tear this thing apart to harvest for switches.
De-solder those switches and never look back! :)
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:50:34
Hrm, perfect timing?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Oh, and blue to match the Alpine set?? whuut
Also:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
3 hours left on the first drop I linked, I just joined myself - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
I can not decide between this one and the acrylic one.
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:52:36
It feels like we are in for something special with this Alps love. I don't really know a lot about what I will need, but most of my questions have been answered already.
I just picked up an AEKII with pink Alps for what I think was a reasonable price. What would you guys do? It seems really brutal to tear this thing apart to harvest for switches.
The AEKII is a fine board. I have a completely untouched, mint condition AEKII that will be staying that way - but I also picked up a couple rough ones to harvest from.
Think of it as giving the old girl a new lease on life.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:53:15
It feels like we are in for something special with this Alps love. I don't really know a lot about what I will need, but most of my questions have been answered already.
I just picked up an AEKII with pink Alps for what I think was a reasonable price. What would you guys do? It seems really brutal to tear this thing apart to harvest for switches.
Try it and see. You'll need to buy an ADB to USB converter to use the board as-is. Or you can harvest the switches and the caps for a 60% board and get in on this buy.
I have two AEKs. I used the caps from one of them along with some orange alps from an Apple IIGS board, and made an AEKII 60% using this same PCB from round 2. I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with the other one, but it's not my favorite as-is.
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:53:22
Hrm, perfect timing?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Oh, and blue to match the Alpine set?? whuut
Also:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
3 hours left on the first drop I linked, I just joined myself - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
I can not decide between this one and the acrylic one.
Get both! Build two alps boards! Everyone needs more Alps in their lives.
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:54:42
Nice GB.CommonCurt brought this up to me as well. Something tells me I didn't understand what you guys wanted. Pic of the layout, and I will fix it.
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
Thank you :) Like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HzzV3Ta.jpg)
Ok, I made it.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eFU9yvV.png)
I need to see if the change will be acceptable for the two people who have ordered the wkl already. Otherwise, I will just make a new plate option on the form.
Have you heard back from the two people to see if you will be making a new plate option for this?
When I order should I go ahead and select AT101, or are you going to name it something like "AT101 with 1u"?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 24 September 2015, 23:08:56
Nice GB.CommonCurt brought this up to me as well. Something tells me I didn't understand what you guys wanted. Pic of the layout, and I will fix it.
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
Thank you :) Like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HzzV3Ta.jpg)
Ok, I made it.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eFU9yvV.png)
I need to see if the change will be acceptable for the two people who have ordered the wkl already. Otherwise, I will just make a new plate option on the form.
Have you heard back from the two people to see if you will be making a new plate option for this?
When I order should I go ahead and select AT101, or are you going to name it something like "AT101 with 1u"?
I am still waiting on one person to respond, and he/she is on the other side of the planet. So I will hopefully know the situation tomorrow morning. I will post an update to the OP when I make any changes, and I will make a post so that it comes up in the Spy and Watched Topics part of the site.
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 24 September 2015, 23:11:01
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Nice GB.CommonCurt brought this up to me as well. Something tells me I didn't understand what you guys wanted. Pic of the layout, and I will fix it.
What about AT101 with 1u Winkey cutouts?
I don't see how 60% cases can support Winkey blockers, so that might be a better idea IMO :P
Thank you :) Like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HzzV3Ta.jpg)
Ok, I made it.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eFU9yvV.png)
I need to see if the change will be acceptable for the two people who have ordered the wkl already. Otherwise, I will just make a new plate option on the form.
Have you heard back from the two people to see if you will be making a new plate option for this?
When I order should I go ahead and select AT101, or are you going to name it something like "AT101 with 1u"?
I am still waiting on one person to respond, and he/she is on the other side of the planet. So I will hopefully know the situation tomorrow morning. I will post an update to the OP when I make any changes, and I will make a post so that it comes up in the Spy and Watched Topics part of the site.
K thanks :thumb:
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 24 September 2015, 23:16:16
It feels like we are in for something special with this Alps love. I don't really know a lot about what I will need, but most of my questions have been answered already.
I just picked up an AEKII with pink Alps for what I think was a reasonable price. What would you guys do? It seems really brutal to tear this thing apart to harvest for switches.
De-solder those switches and never look back! :)
The AEKII is a fine board. I have a completely untouched, mint condition AEKII that will be staying that way - but I also picked up a couple rough ones to harvest from.
Think of it as giving the old girl a new lease on life.
Try it and see. You'll need to buy an ADB to USB converter to use the board as-is. Or you can harvest the switches and the caps for a 60% board and get in on this buy.
I have two AEKs. I used the caps from one of them along with some orange alps from an Apple IIGS board, and made an AEKII 60% using this same PCB from round 2. I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with the other one, but it's not my favorite as-is.
Thanks for the insights guys. I think I will get it cleaned up and working, then see how I like it. Either way I am in for PCB and a plate.
Post by: henz on Fri, 25 September 2015, 03:56:44
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 08:14:12
Post by: braidn on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:42:30
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 11:46:18
Ok, so Matias sells stabs, check. Would just a set of costa clips work for connecting to the plate? Second question, does anyone know if anyone is selling 6u spacebar stab wires? I have never seen them but, maybe looking in the wrong place. Thanks for the help all. Very interested in this just not sure, on the tiny tiny details.
1. No, the plates aren't designed to accept Costar stabilizer inserts at all. They will accept the Matias inserts, as well as salvaged old Alps inserts.
2. I've never seen any 6u wires for sale. Maybe nickheller will bend us some. :D
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 25 September 2015, 12:56:13
Hrm, perfect timing?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
Oh, and blue to match the Alpine set?? whuut
Also:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
3 hours left on the first drop I linked, I just joined myself - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open)
I can not decide between this one and the acrylic one.
If you don't mind simple, cheap ABS cases, you can buy some here: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Keyboard-Compatoble-PBT-Keycaps-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32311183273.html
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 13:06:08
Post by: braidn on Fri, 25 September 2015, 13:35:49
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 13:47:26
When it comes to the stabs, inserts I have reached out to Matias. Basically immediately after my last comment above. Will keep the thread up to date with their response. However a way to include inserts, stabs and wires into the GB would be grand. Especially with the infinity 6u spacebar layout. Now saying that, does the infinity plate allow for a longer, more standard spacebar or is it only the 6u? The only thing I want with the infinity layout is the dropped backspace (second row/more hhkb). The spacebar size doesn't bother me, and I would rather it be more standard.
I don't think you'd be able to use a 6.2 or 7U spacebar with the Infinity plate. It's an all or nothing deal.
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 14:01:31
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 25 September 2015, 14:41:53
question, does at101 have stepped capslock?
No it does not. Sorry.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 25 September 2015, 14:50:39
The AT101 style plate now officially has the 1u middle key as part of the layout. No changes are needed to your order as everyone approved the change.
Per request in IC, an HHKB style plate was added.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:21:57
I'm in for two PCBs, a Dell ANSI and Infinity plate, and some clicky and quiet Matias switches.
Post by: braidn on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:25:28
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/royal-glam-60-wood-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open
Post by: sean on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:29:28
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:30:33
How similar is the Dell AT101W plate to a KBP V60 plate? The two look identical but I wan't to make sure before I place my order.
They are the same layout. This is standard ANSI.
Post by: sean on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:37:36
Post by: U47 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:44:40
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:49:05
How similar is the Dell AT101W plate to a KBP V60 plate? The two look identical but I wan't to make sure before I place my order.
They are the same layout. This is standard ANSI.
Yep, just the AT101 has a stepped Capslock.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:50:55
How similar is the Dell AT101W plate to a KBP V60 plate? The two look identical but I wan't to make sure before I place my order.
They are the same layout. This is standard ANSI.
Yep, just the AT101 has a stepped Capslock.
Has this been discussed? Because looking at the plate drawings, both the AT101 and AT101W have the same location for the Caps Lock switch (non-stepped).
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:51:07
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 25 September 2015, 15:53:29
How similar is the Dell AT101W plate to a KBP V60 plate? The two look identical but I wan't to make sure before I place my order.
They are the same layout. This is standard ANSI.
Yep, just the AT101 has a stepped Capslock.
Has this been discussed? Because looking at the plate drawings, both the AT101 and AT101W have the same location for the Caps Lock switch (non-stepped).
Good question. I assumed that it was known.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:01:56
I was going to do plate and pcb but changed my mind. I think I edited my response but if I failed at that I just want a plate. I already have a teensy and a pile of diodes shouldn't cost me $40. Mine will be going in a pok3r case if everything goes as planned.
If you are young, motivated, and have more time than money, your method is suitable.
Those of us who are old, busy, and have more money than available time will choose to purchase a PCB. ;)
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:15:36
I'm an electrical engineer, age 29 on Sunday, and a ham radio operator, I think I can handle it lol can't waitI was going to do plate and pcb but changed my mind. I think I edited my response but if I failed at that I just want a plate. I already have a teensy and a pile of diodes shouldn't cost me $40. Mine will be going in a pok3r case if everything goes as planned.
If you are young, motivated, and have more time than money, your method is suitable.
Those of us who are old, busy, and have more money than available time will choose to purchase a PCB. ;)
Thanks to the contributors
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:16:36
I'm an electrical engineer, age 29 on Sunday, and a ham radio operator, I think I can handle it lol can't waitI was going to do plate and pcb but changed my mind. I think I edited my response but if I failed at that I just want a plate. I already have a teensy and a pile of diodes shouldn't cost me $40. Mine will be going in a pok3r case if everything goes as planned.
If you are young, motivated, and have more time than money, your method is suitable.
Those of us who are old, busy, and have more money than available time will choose to purchase a PCB. ;)
Thanks to the contributors
You can do it! Did you read Matt3o's guide?
73 de N5JDC
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 25 September 2015, 16:21:04
I was going to do plate and pcb but changed my mind. I think I edited my response but if I failed at that I just want a plate. I already have a teensy and a pile of diodes shouldn't cost me $40. Mine will be going in a pok3r case if everything goes as planned.
I looked at the order sheet, and you are signed up for 1 plate and 0 pcb. You're good to go.
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 25 September 2015, 17:38:13
How similar is the Dell AT101W plate to a KBP V60 plate? The two look identical but I wan't to make sure before I place my order.
They are the same layout. This is standard ANSI.
Yep, just the AT101 has a stepped Capslock.
Has this been discussed? Because looking at the plate drawings, both the AT101 and AT101W have the same location for the Caps Lock switch (non-stepped).
Good question. I assumed that it was known.
Hrm, I know with some research I've found that the AT101 has a bit of an offset (1-2mm) but it definitely doesn't look it in the plate diagram as it looks identical to the AEKII and AT101W.
Who was the original plate designer?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 25 September 2015, 17:43:01
Can I see a show of hands, of the folks that ordered a Dell style board, who was going to cannibalize an old stepped caps and who was going to use something new (e.g. Alpine Winter)?
Post by: njbair on Fri, 25 September 2015, 17:44:06
I'm working on a solution to the stepped Capslock issue right now.
Can I see a show of hands, of the folks that ordered a Dell style board, who was going to cannibalize an old stepped caps and who was going to use something new (e.g. Alpine Winter)?
Seems like a good time to mention that Alpine Winter does not include a stepped Caps Lock.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 25 September 2015, 17:45:58
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 25 September 2015, 17:49:05
I'm working on a solution to the stepped Capslock issue right now.
Can I see a show of hands, of the folks that ordered a Dell style board, who was going to cannibalize an old stepped caps and who was going to use something new (e.g. Alpine Winter)?
I was going to use a non-stepped (swapping a set from a big-ass enter everything but the enter). But if I'm the only one I can roll to a different plate.
Post by: digi on Fri, 25 September 2015, 17:51:24
Post by: StormyMonday on Fri, 25 September 2015, 21:30:57
Just a word on stabs: the plates in this GB use Alps stabilizer inserts. I'm not sure what kind of inserts the Tai Hao keysets from Massdrop use, but I know SP uses cherry costar-style keycap stab inserts. So the Matias stab wires will not fit SP caps. You will have to bend custom wires to use with SP Alps caps.
The Alps stabs that Matias sells should work with the Costar-style inserts. I just need to modify the plate drawings to include both "positions" for the stab clips. I'm only waiting on Edgar to get back to me with the dimensions for those (he's in China right now).
You're a daisy if ya do!
Post by: LeandreN on Sat, 26 September 2015, 01:57:46
Is there a place i can source stabilisers?
I have a broken AEKII
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 26 September 2015, 10:06:06
This will fit a standard 60% case right?
Is there a place i can source stabilisers?
I have a broken AEKII
Matias sells them (http://matias.ca/order/) (look at 'Matias ALPS keycaps' section), but I think those are expensive. A group buy probably would lower this.
Post by: braidn on Sat, 26 September 2015, 11:34:32
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 26 September 2015, 11:48:56
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 12:45:35
@BlueNalgene: Could there be a plate option for the Infinity Standard, or is this equivalent to one of the plates already shown?Infinity Standard is not available. It would be standard ANSI with a uniform 1U top row instead of the wide backspace.
Post by: Vĺtdräktsman on Sat, 26 September 2015, 14:43:42
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 26 September 2015, 16:59:22
What kind of blue are we talking about for the powder coat? Are there any examples?
I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't have any examples. I haven't had a chance to get out to the powder coating place in person yet to do that, and the dude doesn't have an email address to get a sample pic sent.
I am going to shoot for something metallic and looking that would work well with the blue color used in aluminum poker style cases while still being dark enough to visually 'pop' from it.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 26 September 2015, 17:11:11
A response about the Stepped/Unstepped Dell plates. It is going to confuse me to add any more plates to this buy, so I'm just going to let people order. When it comes time for me to send an invoice, I will send a question out to all of the participants who ordered a Dell style plate and just ask if they wanted stepped or unstepped caps lock.
To reiterate: Whether you want to use a stepped caps lock on your dell type board or not, I can take care of you. Don't worry about a thing babydoll. I will just ask you to clarify which one you want when I send the invoice.
This is a bunch of work, but I'm not stressing about it. But remember those 145 circuit boards I got in the mail last week? Well those have to be installed and working in the field by Wednesday, so I'm going to just push the stepped caps lock issue to a later date when I have more time to do all of the PM stuff.
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 26 September 2015, 17:19:28
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 26 September 2015, 17:22:08
I'm dithering over which plates to get and sourcing or making the stabilizers. I would like to end up with a HHKB layout or something easily remapped to the same. When I am not using my HHKB, I currently have a V60MTS remapped to a HHKB layout. So, the plates I am considering are the HHKB, Infinity Hacker, and AT101W. Maybe someone could push me in the right direction regarding choice of plates and sourcing/making the stabilizers.
Do you have caps ready to go? That would influence decisions.
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 26 September 2015, 17:29:40
I am planning to order the Alpine Winter set. I also have a number of other complete or partial Alps-mount sets harvested from vintage boards, such as Dell 101W, and IBM 5140. In addition, I have modifiers for standard-layout boards from Matias. For example my V60MTS board has alphas from an IBM 5140; the mods and spacebar were purchased from Matias.I'm dithering over which plates to get and sourcing or making the stabilizers. I would like to end up with a HHKB layout or something easily remapped to the same. When I am not using my HHKB, I currently have a V60MTS remapped to a HHKB layout. So, the plates I am considering are the HHKB, Infinity Hacker, and AT101W. Maybe someone could push me in the right direction regarding choice of plates and sourcing/making the stabilizers.
Do you have caps ready to go? That would influence decisions.
Post by: braidn on Sat, 26 September 2015, 17:34:26
Post by: braidn on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:02:59
Anyone have in use with another PCB/Board? Love/Hate? Seems the blue color would go well with the blue on the ALPS Keycap MOQ.
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:06:00
Cherry Stabs will be the option for the Alpine Winter set. Clips should be harvestable or purchasable from Matias, the smaller stabilizer bars should be purchasable from MechanicalKeyboards/WASD but, if you are shooting for a 6u spacebar like the HHKB/Infinity you will have to bend your own stabilizer bar. Still haven't found any buyable options with that.Thanks. Looks like the safest bet for me would be the AT101W plate. I could use the same keycap/stabilizer scheme that I have used on my V60MTS. For example, I have used alphas and number keycaps from an IBM 5140 (dye-sub PBT) and mods plus spacebar purchased from Matias (ABS, but I don't mind ABS so much if it is only on the mods and spacebar). I've remapped the V60 to something close to the HHKB layout -- it doesn't have a split Right Shift, so I remap Right Ctrl as Fn.
Post by: E3E on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:25:02
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:36:07
Sorry if this has been asked already, my fine fellows, but will AEK/AEKII stabs (not inserts) work on the plates offered in this GB?Yes, since AEK uses normal Alps stabs.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:45:33
Anyone have any opinions on this case? http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/keyboard-accessory/poker-2-metal-keyboard-case/lid=38489633
Anyone have in use with another PCB/Board? Love/Hate? Seems the blue color would go well with the blue on the ALPS Keycap MOQ.
I can tell you that it will be compatible with the PCB and plate in this GB, even if I'm not the type to voice opinions.
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:53:11
I have this Magnavox VideoWriter keyboard with Orange Alps that I am considering using, but perhaps I should try to get it working as a keyboard in its own right.
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Post by: blcksqrrl on Sat, 26 September 2015, 19:19:10
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 19:44:56
For those who are harvesting Alps switches, which switches do you favor and which donor boards are you using?I think you will get more use and appreciate the orange Alps more in a custom 60%. I've got one of these PCBs already assembled with orange Alps from an old IIGS keyboard and caps from an AEKII, in a TEX acrylic case. It's a great keyboard.
I have this Magnavox VideoWriter keyboard with Orange Alps that I am considering using, but perhaps I should try to get it working as a keyboard in its own right.
(Attachment Link)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 26 September 2015, 20:26:48
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 20:34:50
Which plate is considered "standard" and would fit all keycap sets?
AT101W (Dell ANSI on the order form) is the standard layout.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 26 September 2015, 20:34:58
Which plate is considered "standard" and would fit all keycap sets?
There is no "standard" set. However the most common set will be for the Dell AT101W ANSI plate. The keys look like this:
(http://assets.overclock.net.s3.amazonaws.com/3/34/34b532be_vbattach183417.jpeg)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 26 September 2015, 20:37:24
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 26 September 2015, 20:44:21
What size is the space bar on the dell at101w?
6.25u
You can explore the layout sizes on keyboard layout editor by looking at the ANSI 104 demo. (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=Esc&_x:1%3B&=F1&=F2&=F3&=F4&_x:0.5%3B&=F5&=F6&=F7&=F8&_x:0.5%3B&=F9&=F10&=F11&=F12&_x:0.25%3B&=PrtSc&=Scroll%20Lock&=Pause%0ABreak%3B&@_y:0.5%3B&=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=Backspace&_x:0.25%3B&=Insert&=Home&=PgUp&_x:0.25%3B&=Num%20Lock&=%2F%2F&=*&=-%3B&@_w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C&_x:0.25%3B&=Delete&=End&=PgDn&_x:0.25%3B&=7%0AHome&=8%0A%E2%86%91&=9%0APgUp&_h:2%3B&=+%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=Enter&_x:3.5%3B&=4%0A%E2%86%90&=5&=6%0A%E2%86%92%3B&@_w:2.25%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2.75%3B&=Shift&_x:1.25%3B&=%E2%86%91&_x:1.25%3B&=1%0AEnd&=2%0A%E2%86%93&=3%0APgDn&_h:2%3B&=Enter%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Menu&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_x:0.25%3B&=%E2%86%90&=%E2%86%93&=%E2%86%92&_x:0.25&w:2%3B&=0%0AIns&=.%0ADel)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 26 September 2015, 21:29:22
What size is the space bar on the dell at101w?
6.25u
You can explore the layout sizes on keyboard layout editor by looking at the ANSI 104 demo. (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=Esc&_x:1%3B&=F1&=F2&=F3&=F4&_x:0.5%3B&=F5&=F6&=F7&=F8&_x:0.5%3B&=F9&=F10&=F11&=F12&_x:0.25%3B&=PrtSc&=Scroll%20Lock&=Pause%0ABreak%3B&@_y:0.5%3B&=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=Backspace&_x:0.25%3B&=Insert&=Home&=PgUp&_x:0.25%3B&=Num%20Lock&=%2F%2F&=*&=-%3B&@_w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C&_x:0.25%3B&=Delete&=End&=PgDn&_x:0.25%3B&=7%0AHome&=8%0A%E2%86%91&=9%0APgUp&_h:2%3B&=+%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=Enter&_x:3.5%3B&=4%0A%E2%86%90&=5&=6%0A%E2%86%92%3B&@_w:2.25%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2.75%3B&=Shift&_x:1.25%3B&=%E2%86%91&_x:1.25%3B&=1%0AEnd&=2%0A%E2%86%93&=3%0APgDn&_h:2%3B&=Enter%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Menu&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_x:0.25%3B&=%E2%86%90&=%E2%86%93&=%E2%86%92&_x:0.25&w:2%3B&=0%0AIns&=.%0ADel)
Got bored and made these for you:
- Dell AT101 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=#555&name=Alps%20Party%2060%20-%20Dell%20AT101&switchMount=alps&plate:true;&@_c=#afb0b1&a:7;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2;&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:1.5;&=;&@_w:1.75;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.25;&=;&@_w:2.25;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.75;&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&_w:1.5;&=&_w:7;&=&_w:1.5;&=&=&_w:1.5;&=)
- Dell AT101W (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=#555&name=Alps%20Party%2060%20-%20Dell%20AT101W&switchMount=alps&plate:true;&@_c=#afb0b1&a:7;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2;&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:1.5;&=;&@_w:1.75;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.25;&=;&@_w:2.25;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.75;&=;&@_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:6.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=)
- Dell AT102W (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=#555&name=Alps%20Party%2060%20-%20Dell%20AT102W&switchMount=alps&plate:true;&@_c=#afb0b1&a:7;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2;&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_x:0.25&w:1.25&h:2&w2:1.5&h2:1&x2:-0.25;&=;&@_w:1.75;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=;&@_w:1.25;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.75;&=;&@_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:6.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.25;&=)
- AEKII ANSI (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=#555&name=Alps%20Party%2060%20-%20AEKII%20ANSI&switchMount=alps&plate:true;&@_c=#afb0b1&a:7;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2;&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:1.5;&=;&@_w:1.75;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.25;&=;&@_w:2.25;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.75;&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.5;&=&_w:6.5;&=&_w:1.5;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.5;&=)
- AEKII ISO (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=#555&name=Alps%20Party%2060%20-%20AEKII%20ISO&switchMount=alps&plate:true;&@_c=#afb0b1&a:7;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2;&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_x:0.25&w:1.25&h:2&w2:1.5&h2:1&x2:-0.25;&=;&@_w:1.75;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=;&@_w:1.25;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.75;&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.5;&=&_w:6.5;&=&_w:1.5;&=&_w:1.25;&=&_w:1.5;&=)
- Infinity Hacker (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=#555&name=Alps%20Party%2060%20-%20Infinity%20Hacker&switchMount=alps&plate:true;&@_c=#afb0b1&a:7;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:1.5;&=;&@_w:1.75;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.25;&=;&@_w:2.25;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:1.75;&=&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&_w:1.5;&=&_w:6;&=&_w:1.5;&=&=&=&_w:1.5;&=)
- HHKB (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@_backcolor=#555&name=Alps%20Party%2060%20-%20HHKB&switchMount=alps&plate:true;&@_c=#afb0b1&a:7;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=;&@_w:1.5;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:1.5;&=;&@_w:1.75;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:2.25;&=;&@_w:2.25;&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&=&_w:1.75;&=&=;&@_x:1.5;&=&_w:1.5;&=&_w:6;&=&_w:1.5;&=&=)
Post by: tominabox1 on Sat, 26 September 2015, 22:32:58
Post by: sean on Sun, 27 September 2015, 00:11:17
Is there a tutorial on how to remove Alps switches?I don't think so. But, it's the same as removing MX switches and I'm sure there's tutorials on that.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 27 September 2015, 00:24:53
Is there a tutorial on how to remove Alps switches?
Soldering iron, tweezers, and a healthy dose of gumption.
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 27 September 2015, 00:42:02
Is there a tutorial on how to remove Alps switches?
Soldering iron, tweezers, and a healthy dose of gumption.
Probably some pliers as well. On the boards I have harvested ALPS from the switch pins have been bent on to the pcb.
Post by: StormyMonday on Sun, 27 September 2015, 01:40:53
Anyone have any opinions on this case? http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/keyboard-accessory/poker-2-metal-keyboard-case/lid=38489633
Anyone have in use with another PCB/Board? Love/Hate? Seems the blue color would go well with the blue on the ALPS Keycap MOQ.
It looks like a knockoff of the Hammer case.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/compactkey/sets/72157635599375244/
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 27 September 2015, 05:14:09
Post by: E3E on Sun, 27 September 2015, 05:48:42
For those who are harvesting Alps switches, which switches do you favor and which donor boards are you using?
I have this Magnavox VideoWriter keyboard with Orange Alps that I am considering using, but perhaps I should try to get it working as a keyboard in its own right.
(Attachment Link)
That seems like such a unique board, I'd not want to touch it if I were you. I'd rather find much more common boards like the Apple standard and extended to source Orange Alps.
Post by: primered6 on Sun, 27 September 2015, 07:11:29
Though heads up I've got an order change PM on the way, just got my matias test switches :thumb:
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sun, 27 September 2015, 09:53:16
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 27 September 2015, 13:18:58
Thanks for undertaking this.
Naive question: Will the PCB and plates have the necessary holes for installing the keyboard into a standard aluminum case such as the TEK CNC 60% case?
The holes are there. The TEX aluminum has had some problems with diodes though. You may need to do add a layer of dielectric to protect them if you use that case.
Do you have recommendations on some materials or coatings to use to avoid electrical shorts in the aluminum case and how to install or apply these?
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 27 September 2015, 13:38:49
Thanks for undertaking this.
Naive question: Will the PCB and plates have the necessary holes for installing the keyboard into a standard aluminum case such as the TEK CNC 60% case?
The holes are there. The TEX aluminum has had some problems with diodes though. You may need to do add a layer of dielectric to protect them if you use that case.
Do you have recommendations on some materials or coatings to use to avoid electrical shorts in the aluminum case and how to install or apply these?
You want 'electrical tape' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_tape). You can but it at all hardware stores :thumb: Here you can see my Planck formed bottom, that I just taped to hell and back to stop any possible shorts (due to my build being hand wired):
(http://i.imgur.com/Fb6FHQH.jpg)
Also... I am looking at my 'keyboard stuff' budget. Really want to get involved with all this alps buzz!
Post by: mattbox on Sun, 27 September 2015, 14:16:30
Post by: U47 on Sun, 27 September 2015, 15:53:28
Is there a tutorial on how to remove Alps switches?
Soldering iron, tweezers, and a healthy dose of gumption.
Solder sucker works wonders at desoldering switches. Any stubborn ones can be solved with solder wick.
Switches are about the easiest thing you can desolder, actually.
Post by: tominabox1 on Sun, 27 September 2015, 16:09:49
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 27 September 2015, 16:57:52
Could someone elaborate on the firmware for the PCB? For example, if I wanted to remap the standard layout for the AT101W plate to something close to a HHKB layout (swap Backspace and Backslash; swap CapsLock and Left Ctrl; swap Alt and OS; and remap Right Ctrl as Fn) or, if I wanted to go with the HHKB plate and map the keys exactly like a HHKB Pro 2 keyboard, will this be straightforward to do?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 27 September 2015, 17:06:22
Yet Another Naive Question (YANQ):
Could someone elaborate on the firmware for the PCB? For example, if I wanted to remap the standard layout for the AT101W plate to something close to a HHKB layout (swap Backspace and Backslash; swap CapsLock and Left Ctrl; swap Alt and OS; and remap Right Ctrl as Fn) or, if I wanted to go with the HHKB plate and map the keys exactly like a HHKB Pro 2 keyboard, will this be straightforward to do?
It is straightforward if you have much experience with C++. You can just swap the keymapping in the files and reflash to change things. The TMK firmware is well supported by hasu and others who have trod the path. There are plenty of examples in the code as well.
Post by: Freetail on Sun, 27 September 2015, 19:20:03
Post by: sean on Sun, 27 September 2015, 21:26:47
Oh I'm not worried about the soldering, more about the switches from the plate - is there a special tool or something?They're not really held on by the plate. All you have to do is tap the desoldered pins with a blunt object (like a small rubber mallet, back of a screwdriver, or whatever you can think of) and it will pop right out as long as the pins aren't bent.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 27 September 2015, 21:30:49
Oh I'm not worried about the soldering, more about the switches from the plate - is there a special tool or something?They're not really held on by the plate. All you have to do is tap the desoldered pins with a blunt object (like a small rubber mallet, back of a screwdriver, or whatever you can think of) and it will pop right out as long as the pins aren't bent.
I desoldered an entire board worth of orange Alps and I can't even remember popping them off of the plate. Which leads me to believe they come out pretty easily, otherwise I'd have vivid memories of a great struggle.
Post by: Air tree on Sun, 27 September 2015, 21:54:36
Post by: jevvix on Sun, 27 September 2015, 22:07:55
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 27 September 2015, 22:12:06
What is the current deadline? I'm strapped of cash and this is too good to pass up. I'm wanting some alps love.
October 5th. Is the deadline. Don't go full wallethack if you can't afford it. Were you looking to order a full set or just a few bits? I'm considering holding the deadline for switches open a smidge longer since I think they will ship faster than the plates and pcbs could.
Really want some plates but without a source for classic Alps style plate stabs I suppose they won't do me any good. I can't bring myself to salvage any of my old Alps boards :(
There is always the Matias stab option.
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 27 September 2015, 22:30:21
Oh I'm not worried about the soldering, more about the switches from the plate - is there a special tool or something?
Just try to be careful not to break (if you can) the little plastic prongs that help hold the switches to the plate. I always ended up breaking some of them when trying to get stubborn switches out.
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150927_232229_LLS.jpg)
Post by: Air tree on Sun, 27 September 2015, 23:27:05
Well it appears that I'll miss the GB, I just was in the market for one of the PCBS and one plate, but thank you anyways for running the GB for everyone else. :)What is the current deadline? I'm strapped of cash and this is too good to pass up. I'm wanting some alps love.
October 5th. Is the deadline. Don't go full wallethack if you can't afford it. Were you looking to order a full set or just a few bits? I'm considering holding the deadline for switches open a smidge longer since I think they will ship faster than the plates and pcbs could.Really want some plates but without a source for classic Alps style plate stabs I suppose they won't do me any good. I can't bring myself to salvage any of my old Alps boards :(
There is always the Matias stab option.
Post by: braidn on Mon, 28 September 2015, 07:37:20
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 28 September 2015, 07:51:42
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 September 2015, 08:02:42
Hmm...I was thinking some, then looked at some pictures of Pokers without keycaps on. It looks like on those boards, the plate is not screwed to the case. If I wanted to build my board without a pcb, I'd have no way to attach the plate to the case it seems. Is this assumption correct?
Right, the PCB is what attaches to the case, by screwing into standoffs in the case. The holes in the plate are larger than the screw heads, so that the screws can be installed/removed with the plate in place.
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 28 September 2015, 08:05:38
Hmm...I was thinking some, then looked at some pictures of Pokers without keycaps on. It looks like on those boards, the plate is not screwed to the case. If I wanted to build my board without a pcb, I'd have no way to attach the plate to the case it seems. Is this assumption correct?
Right, the PCB is what attaches to the case, by screwing into standoffs in the case. The holes in the plate are larger than the screw heads, so that the screws can be installed/removed with the plate in place.
Ah nuts I thought I wasn't going to need the pwb but I guess I do. Oh well, I can us the teensy for another project down the road I suppose.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 28 September 2015, 23:08:14
BlueNalgene is drunk
Beer + no food since breakfast = mahsfgl;alfj
sleep now
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 29 September 2015, 02:20:43
Could I request that you add Japan to that must of shipping estimates? I also wonder which player is the most popular.
For those of you who ordered the HHKB plate, what are you going to do for a case? I will definitely get one AEKII ANSI plate and another as yet undecided plate.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 29 September 2015, 06:56:28
Post by: cooldiscretion on Tue, 29 September 2015, 10:30:06
For those who are harvesting Alps switches, which switches do you favor and which donor boards are you using?
I have this Magnavox VideoWriter keyboard with Orange Alps that I am considering using, but perhaps I should try to get it working as a keyboard in its own right.
(Attachment Link)
Any idea what year that was from?
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 29 September 2015, 10:37:14
To much time to wait without thinking and planning things if you know what I mean :eek:
Post by: digi on Tue, 29 September 2015, 10:41:51
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 10:50:18
Post by: trees on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:01:31
Post by: sean on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:06:30
Should I use any method to my madness with regards to selecting which switches to harvest from my AEK? Just do the 60%? pick ones that probably have less use? Should I keep the locking switch somewhere?TMK supports locking switch if you want to use it
To much time to wait without thinking and planning things if you know what I mean :eek:
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:08:43
Should I use any method to my madness with regards to selecting which switches to harvest from my AEK? Just do the 60%? pick ones that probably have less use? Should I keep the locking switch somewhere?TMK supports locking switch if you want to use it
To much time to wait without thinking and planning things if you know what I mean :eek:
I know, I have adb-usb on a teensy right now but I'm thinking about moving the switch to a layer toggle maybe instead. Just curious if anybody else has ideas for that.
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:52:39
Should I use any method to my madness with regards to selecting which switches to harvest from my AEK? Just do the 60%? pick ones that probably have less use? Should I keep the locking switch somewhere?
To much time to wait without thinking and planning things if you know what I mean :eek:
I kept my lock switch on caps lock, and I use another on RGUI as a function switch.
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 29 September 2015, 12:58:17
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 29 September 2015, 12:59:27
There are locking Alps switches?
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCL_Lock
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 29 September 2015, 13:04:30
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 29 September 2015, 15:15:26
... I want it...
They're glorious. Locking switches, whether Alps or Cherry ought to be more common.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 29 September 2015, 20:58:57
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:02:36
Just trying to decided between Quiet Click and Clicky and whether or not to jump in for the anodizing. I think it would look pretty slick on the HHKB plate!I ordered clicks for one of mine and quiets for the other. I already have an Infinity with quiets and I love them. I'm sure the clicks will be great, and I don't think you'll have any regrets one way or the other.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:14:13
Just trying to decided between Quiet Click and Clicky and whether or not to jump in for the anodizing. I think it would look pretty slick on the HHKB plate!I ordered clicks for one of mine and quiets for the other. I already have an Infinity with quiets and I love them. I'm sure the clicks will be great, and I don't think you'll have any regrets one way or the other.
So what I think you are saying is "why not both?"... classic wallethack ;D
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:19:29
Just trying to decided between Quiet Click and Clicky and whether or not to jump in for the anodizing. I think it would look pretty slick on the HHKB plate!I ordered clicks for one of mine and quiets for the other. I already have an Infinity with quiets and I love them. I'm sure the clicks will be great, and I don't think you'll have any regrets one way or the other.
So what I think you are saying is "why not both?"... classic wallethack ;D
Well it would have made sense to order all the same, since they come by the 10's and each board has just over 60 keys. But I want to try Matias Clicks, but not enough to risk two boards' worth. So I'll stick with Quiets for one, which I know I like, and take the plunge for the other board.
As to why I ordered two of these boards when I already have two Alps 60%'s that's just wallethack.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:25:56
Just trying to decided between Quiet Click and Clicky and whether or not to jump in for the anodizing. I think it would look pretty slick on the HHKB plate!I ordered clicks for one of mine and quiets for the other. I already have an Infinity with quiets and I love them. I'm sure the clicks will be great, and I don't think you'll have any regrets one way or the other.
So what I think you are saying is "why not both?"... classic wallethack ;D
Well it would have made sense to order all the same, since they come by the 10's and each board has just over 60 keys. But I want to try Matias Clicks, but not enough to risk two boards' worth. So I'll stick with Quiets for one, which I know I like, and take the plunge for the other board.
As to why I ordered two of these boards when I already have two Alps 60%'s that's just wallethack.
Seeing as 70 switches are going to cos me about the same as a case of beer I might end up getting a set of both. The only Alps I can remember trying in real life was a Dell with Black Alps and I wasn't really blown away, so I guess I'm just trying to hedge my bets a bit.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:33:13
Just trying to decided between Quiet Click and Clicky and whether or not to jump in for the anodizing. I think it would look pretty slick on the HHKB plate!I ordered clicks for one of mine and quiets for the other. I already have an Infinity with quiets and I love them. I'm sure the clicks will be great, and I don't think you'll have any regrets one way or the other.
So what I think you are saying is "why not both?"... classic wallethack ;D
Well it would have made sense to order all the same, since they come by the 10's and each board has just over 60 keys. But I want to try Matias Clicks, but not enough to risk two boards' worth. So I'll stick with Quiets for one, which I know I like, and take the plunge for the other board.
As to why I ordered two of these boards when I already have two Alps 60%'s that's just wallethack.
Seeing as 70 switches are going to cos me about the same as a case of beer I might end up getting a set of both. The only Alps I can remember trying in real life was a Dell with Black Alps and I wasn't really blown away, so I guess I'm just trying to hedge my bets a bit.
Black Alps are the worst. That's not even really an opinion. I've seen people recommend buying a Dell AT101 with Black Alps just for the chassis, then getting another Alps board to harvest the switches from (AEKII, IIGS, etc). They're throwaway switches, really. No comparison to Orange/Salmon Alps or Matias.
Post by: sean on Tue, 29 September 2015, 22:15:58
Should I use any method to my madness with regards to selecting which switches to harvest from my AEK? Just do the 60%? pick ones that probably have less use? Should I keep the locking switch somewhere?TMK supports locking switch if you want to use it
To much time to wait without thinking and planning things if you know what I mean :eek:
I know, I have adb-usb on a teensy right now but I'm thinking about moving the switch to a layer toggle maybe instead. Just curious if anybody else has ideas for that.
I'm kinda curious about this too now, has anybody used a locking switch as a function layer, or something even crazier?
Post by: Yoe on Wed, 30 September 2015, 03:54:38
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And this is what the plate in the OP looks like:
(http://i.imgur.com/VEpgjGnm.png)
Difference is the stepped caps lock... thoughts on this?
Edit: Oh, never mind! I just read through the entire thread and realised it had been discussed before.
Post by: E3E on Wed, 30 September 2015, 04:13:45
Should I use any method to my madness with regards to selecting which switches to harvest from my AEK? Just do the 60%? pick ones that probably have less use? Should I keep the locking switch somewhere?TMK supports locking switch if you want to use it
To much time to wait without thinking and planning things if you know what I mean :eek:
I know, I have adb-usb on a teensy right now but I'm thinking about moving the switch to a layer toggle maybe instead. Just curious if anybody else has ideas for that.
I'm kinda curious about this too now, has anybody used a locking switch as a function layer, or something even crazier?
I bought a bunch of MX locks thinking I'd use them for precisely this and have only ended up using two for boards that dd not have toggle functions built into the firmware. On my Infinity, I considered using the Alps latching switch from my AEK but felt that letting the firmware handle it was a better choice. The only drawback I can see is forgetting if you've toggled a layer or not, which a latching switch would easily be able to display.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 30 September 2015, 05:33:21
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 30 September 2015, 08:27:15
Hmm... guys.. is there more than one version of the AT102W? I replicated the alpha part of the plate in my AT102W in CAD and it ended up like this:
(Attachment Link)
And this is what the plate in the OP looks like:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VEpgjGnm.png)
Difference is the stepped caps lock... thoughts on this?
Edit: Oh, never mind! I just read through the entire thread and realised it had been discussed before.
I know you edited your post already, but honestly, I wasn't looking at a real life example when I designed that plate. I wasn't aware that the Dells had a stepped caps lock position. Depending on which caps people are planning on using for their builds, I can change it easily to the stepped version.
@njbair, what is Alpine Winter doing for a Caps Lock key...stepped or centered? Do you know offhand which Badwrench's mods included?
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 08:28:44
On-center in both cases. And FWIW, the Tai Hao sets on Massdrop are also on center.Hmm... guys.. is there more than one version of the AT102W? I replicated the alpha part of the plate in my AT102W in CAD and it ended up like this:
(Attachment Link)
And this is what the plate in the OP looks like:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VEpgjGnm.png)
Difference is the stepped caps lock... thoughts on this?
Edit: Oh, never mind! I just read through the entire thread and realised it had been discussed before.
I know you edited your post already, but honestly, I wasn't looking at a real life example when I designed that plate. I wasn't aware that the Dells had a stepped caps lock position. Depending on which caps people are planning on using for their builds, I can change it easily to the stepped version.
@njbair, what is Alpine Winter doing for a Caps Lock key...stepped or centered? Do you know offhand which Badwrench's mods included?
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 30 September 2015, 08:32:15
On-center in both cases. And FWIW, the Tai Hao sets on Massdrop are also on center.Hmm... guys.. is there more than one version of the AT102W? I replicated the alpha part of the plate in my AT102W in CAD and it ended up like this:
(Attachment Link)
And this is what the plate in the OP looks like:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VEpgjGnm.png)
Difference is the stepped caps lock... thoughts on this?
Edit: Oh, never mind! I just read through the entire thread and realised it had been discussed before.
I know you edited your post already, but honestly, I wasn't looking at a real life example when I designed that plate. I wasn't aware that the Dells had a stepped caps lock position. Depending on which caps people are planning on using for their builds, I can change it easily to the stepped version.
@njbair, what is Alpine Winter doing for a Caps Lock key...stepped or centered? Do you know offhand which Badwrench's mods included?
Thanks for the quick response! I suppose we should keep the centered position then, for compatibility with current and future GB sets. This would really only hurt anyone who is planning on salvaging keycaps from a vintage AT101(W).
I know i3oilermaker had SP make molds for center-stemmed, stepped caps lock keys for MX, and I'm pretty sure they can swap in an Alps mount stem if requested...
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 30 September 2015, 08:37:22
Black Alps are the worst. That's not even really an opinion. I've seen people recommend buying a Dell AT101 with Black Alps just for the chassis, then getting another Alps board to harvest the switches from (AEKII, IIGS, etc). They're throwaway switches, really. No comparison to Orange/Salmon Alps or Matias.
You've apparently never tried good condition Black Alps. They're actually not bad. They're not my favorite but I like them better than White Alps. Seems like Black Alps are the most susceptible to dust, grime, wear, etc. I've found that their feeling really varies between even switch to switch.
I'm kinda curious about this too now, has anybody used a locking switch as a function layer, or something even crazier?
Yes. I have a Alps Cream Lock Switch on the function layer button for my Siig Minitouch. I find lock keys as a toggle on function layers makes a lot of sense.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 08:42:58
This would be the best solution.On-center in both cases. And FWIW, the Tai Hao sets on Massdrop are also on center.Hmm... guys.. is there more than one version of the AT102W? I replicated the alpha part of the plate in my AT102W in CAD and it ended up like this:
(Attachment Link)
And this is what the plate in the OP looks like:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VEpgjGnm.png)
Difference is the stepped caps lock... thoughts on this?
Edit: Oh, never mind! I just read through the entire thread and realised it had been discussed before.
I know you edited your post already, but honestly, I wasn't looking at a real life example when I designed that plate. I wasn't aware that the Dells had a stepped caps lock position. Depending on which caps people are planning on using for their builds, I can change it easily to the stepped version.
@njbair, what is Alpine Winter doing for a Caps Lock key...stepped or centered? Do you know offhand which Badwrench's mods included?
Thanks for the quick response! I suppose we should keep the centered position then, for compatibility with current and future GB sets. This would really only hurt anyone who is planning on salvaging keycaps from a vintage AT101(W).
I know i3oilermaker had SP make molds for center-stemmed, stepped caps lock keys for MX, and I'm pretty sure they can swap in an Alps mount stem if requested...
Maybe at the end of the buy, BlueNalgene can track down everyone who ordered the affected plate, and ask them whether they want on-center or stepped. In fact, he may have already mentioned this...
Post by: Yoe on Wed, 30 September 2015, 10:23:52
Hmm... guys.. is there more than one version of the AT102W? I replicated the alpha part of the plate in my AT102W in CAD and it ended up like this:
(Attachment Link)
And this is what the plate in the OP looks like:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VEpgjGnm.png)
Difference is the stepped caps lock... thoughts on this?
Edit: Oh, never mind! I just read through the entire thread and realised it had been discussed before.
I know you edited your post already, but honestly, I wasn't looking at a real life example when I designed that plate. I wasn't aware that the Dells had a stepped caps lock position. Depending on which caps people are planning on using for their builds, I can change it easily to the stepped version.
I see. The are both relevant as options then. Just got a bit confusing :)
Also, though the ISO AEKII may not be of interest to anyone as it won't work with Hasu's PCB, the plate design should perhaps be verified. The ISO AEKII layout is tweaked to the right making the enter key a bit narrower, and it looks like this:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/3aff9552b4b657d7e216 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/3aff9552b4b657d7e216)
http://www.finestcomputers.co.uk/FinC/Apple/hardware/ExtendedKeyboard-II/No.3/EK2-1.JPG (http://www.finestcomputers.co.uk/FinC/Apple/hardware/ExtendedKeyboard-II/No.3/EK2-1.JPG)
A quick glance at the plate in the op, and it seems a bit off compared to that. Actually, putting the ISO AEKII from above into Swill's KB with Poker hole option on puts the holes half-way into some switches…
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 30 September 2015, 10:38:21
I'm kinda curious about this too now, has anybody used a locking switch as a function layer, or something even crazier?
I run a lock switch as function on my 60% alps with hasu's PCB.
TMK doesn't explicitly support locking switches as function (but it does support locking caps and such) - the key with a lock switch is that if the firmware isn't set up to support it, what the board will see is a press and release when first locked, then another press and release when unlocked.
I just modified fn in TMK to act as a toggle I believe. I'd have to go back and look at the file to see exactly how I implemented it.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 30 September 2015, 10:46:57
Thanks for the quick response! I suppose we should keep the centered position then, for compatibility with current and future GB sets. This would really only hurt anyone who is planning on salvaging keycaps from a vintage AT101(W).
I know i3oilermaker had SP make molds for center-stemmed, stepped caps lock keys for MX, and I'm pretty sure they can swap in an Alps mount stem if requested...
I think I sent you a PM about this at the time when it was originally noticed.
I already have the Alps plates with the stepped caps lock key modification made. I put them together when people originally brought up this issue. I'll send you the files by email when I find a free moment.
Maybe at the end of the buy, BlueNalgene can track down everyone who ordered the affected plate, and ask them whether they want on-center or stepped. In fact, he may have already mentioned this...
Yes, that is the plan. To reiterate here, I will send a small question along with the invoice to every participant who ordered a Dell plate asking which version they want. I will make it clear in the email that I am asking what caps source they will use, since some newer users aren't aware they are about to run into an issue. The order will be made after this info with the invoice is returned. I chose to do it this way to prevent further complicating the order form. I want it nice and simple.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:11:09
Well, you can't always get what you want, as someone wiser already said.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 30 September 2015, 13:31:38
I wish the deadline were 1 week later, so I would be able to join the GB. :(I can't speak for anyone, of course, but you might PM BlueNalgene and ask if he might be able to extend it for you for a few days. Some organizers are able to do that once in a while in certain circumstances. That is the advantage of having a community-organized group buy.
Well, you can't always get what you want, as someone wiser already said.
Post by: braidn on Wed, 30 September 2015, 17:18:25
Post by: digi on Wed, 30 September 2015, 17:41:05
(http://i.imgur.com/fZYGGDLl.jpg)
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 30 September 2015, 17:44:20
Will these stabs work? From an Apple M0116Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fZYGGDLl.jpg)
I believe so.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 30 September 2015, 17:45:23
Speaking of extending this, does anyone have a timetable on the shipping of plates/pcbs?
Things ship when I get everything.
I expect most everything will be quick except for the PCB, since hasu will be hand-soldering them all, and they have to ship from Japan.
Post by: digi on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:23:51
(http://i.imgur.com/1asJpYbl.jpg)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:35:32
Post by: njbair on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:36:21
I'm literally the opposite of digi. Just joined the buy for those delicious Matias Quiets. One day I'll be as cool as him.Opposite of Digi... So you're not a 49ers fan?
Post by: digi on Wed, 30 September 2015, 18:46:24
I'm literally the opposite of digi. Just joined the buy for those delicious Matias Quiets. One day I'll be as cool as him.
Matias MUSH Quiets?!?!
Opposite of Digi... So you're not a 49ers fan?
Fired!! Wait, you're doing that Alpine Alps GB, nevermind...re-hired!
Post by: digi on Wed, 30 September 2015, 19:02:40
Will these stabs work? From an Apple M0116Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fZYGGDLl.jpg)
I believe so.
I'm definitely going to need a longer space bar stab wire, hopefully the rest of em will work..
Post by: Yoe on Thu, 01 October 2015, 02:04:28
Will these stabs work? From an Apple M0116Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fZYGGDLl.jpg)
I believe so.
I'm definitely going to need a longer space bar stab wire, hopefully the rest of em will work..
Stab wires are no biggie to make from piano wire if the ones you've got are the wrong size. What's harder to come by is the plastic thingamajigs.. especially the cylindrical ones for space bar (and sometimes enter.) You often need two of those, and depending on donor kb you may only get just one.
Post by: Vĺtdräktsman on Thu, 01 October 2015, 03:11:32
Anyone wanna join? Just need three more people to reach MOQ.
Also note the issue with some diode shorting on this particular case.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 01 October 2015, 07:14:16
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-metal-case
Anyone wanna join? Just need three more people to reach MOQ.
Also note the issue with some diode shorting on this particular case.
Was thinking about joining but I'll leave it to the last day
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 01 October 2015, 13:59:03
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-metal-case
Anyone wanna join? Just need three more people to reach MOQ.
Also note the issue with some diode shorting on this particular case.
All you need is a little dielectric to separate the metals. Electrical tape will work fine. If you want to make it look cleaner, you could try vinyl wrapping that you can get for cars.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 01 October 2015, 14:00:14
I'm literally the opposite of digi. Just joined the buy for those delicious Matias Quiets. One day I'll be as cool as him.
Matias MUSH Quiets?!?!
See? Still the opposite. I was pleasant and paid you a compliment. You're just rude.
Post by: digi on Thu, 01 October 2015, 14:01:20
I'm literally the opposite of digi. Just joined the buy for those delicious Matias Quiets. One day I'll be as cool as him.
Matias MUSH Quiets?!?!
See? Still the opposite. I was pleasant and paid you a compliment. You're just rude.
You're right, I went too far...Send me your Kingsaver with Blues and we can be friends again...
I won't be nasty like Hoff anymore. Sorry.
Post by: Vĺtdräktsman on Thu, 01 October 2015, 14:09:18
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-metal-case
Anyone wanna join? Just need three more people to reach MOQ.
Also note the issue with some diode shorting on this particular case.
All you need is a little dielectric to separate the metals. Electrical tape will work fine. If you want to make it look cleaner, you could try vinyl wrapping that you can get for cars.
Yeah I've checked around on how to prevent it, not a big deal.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 01 October 2015, 19:47:12
If you haven't filled it out already, I have a form for an IC on Matias Stabilizers. Please indicate interest using the simple form. (http://goo.gl/forms/qHFvbc8JoK)
Post by: braidn on Thu, 01 October 2015, 22:34:04
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 01 October 2015, 22:59:52
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 01 October 2015, 23:24:24
I know it was a little up in the air but, have we confirmed that the plates will work with Costar inserts?The Costar inserts that snap into the plate? No, the plate will definitely NOT work with those.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 02 October 2015, 00:45:58
What constitutes a set of stabs in this case? Enough for a 60% keyboard?
That sort of depends on what layout you are doing. E.g. the sets won't have one for an Infinity spacebar.
The sets are what Matias defines as a set.
Would you like to know more? (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75686.msg1881305#msg1881305)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 02 October 2015, 01:41:05
What constitutes a set of stabs in this case? Enough for a 60% keyboard?
That sort of depends on what layout you are doing. E.g. the sets won't have one for an Infinity spacebar.
The sets are what Matias defines as a set.
Would you like to know more? (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75686.msg1881305#msg1881305)
Ah, sorry. Don't know how I manged to miss that thread since I am on here all day lol.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 02 October 2015, 01:43:21
Ah, sorry. Don't know how I manged to miss that thread since I am on here all day lol.
No worries. If you asked it, chances are that someone else would want to know the answer too.
Post by: jevvix on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:17:12
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:42:35
And yes, the quality seems really good.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:43:03
I thought you were going to add those holes once you received the dimensions from Mr. Matias.I know it was a little up in the air but, have we confirmed that the plates will work with Costar inserts?The Costar inserts that snap into the plate? No, the plate will definitely NOT work with those.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:54:51
What are the options for a 6u stab that will work with these plates? Seems like there isn't an option for that in Blues IC. Seems that costar inserts (aka, the stabs that come with the infinity) won't work... is the only option cannibalizing a vintage alps board? Sorry if this was already covered in the thread, I didn't see an answer.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:57:02
All this stabilizer talk is very confusing to me :-\Infinity kits come with a 6u stab set. But the costar wire gauge is thicker than Alps stab wires, so I don't know if it would fit in Alps clips (it might bind up or break the clips).
What are the options for a 6u stab that will work with these plates? Seems like there isn't an option for that in Blues IC. Seems that costar inserts (aka, the stabs that come with the infinity) won't work... is the only option cannibalizing a vintage alps board? Sorry if this was already covered in the thread, I didn't see an answer.
Probably bending your own wire would be best.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:06:04
All this stabilizer talk is very confusing to me :-\Infinity kits come with a 6u stab set. But the costar wire gauge is thicker than Alps stab wires, so I don't know if it would fit in Alps clips (it might bind up or break the clips).
What are the options for a 6u stab that will work with these plates? Seems like there isn't an option for that in Blues IC. Seems that costar inserts (aka, the stabs that come with the infinity) won't work... is the only option cannibalizing a vintage alps board? Sorry if this was already covered in the thread, I didn't see an answer.
Probably bending your own wire would be best.
Thanks. So to be clear I need: Alps plate clips (from Blues IC), costar MX cap inserts (to fit Alpine Winter) and then bend my own wire for the spacebar?
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:07:25
Correct. Or find someone with leet wire bending skills. Last I checked, nickheller was going to try his hand at that.All this stabilizer talk is very confusing to me :-\Infinity kits come with a 6u stab set. But the costar wire gauge is thicker than Alps stab wires, so I don't know if it would fit in Alps clips (it might bind up or break the clips).
What are the options for a 6u stab that will work with these plates? Seems like there isn't an option for that in Blues IC. Seems that costar inserts (aka, the stabs that come with the infinity) won't work... is the only option cannibalizing a vintage alps board? Sorry if this was already covered in the thread, I didn't see an answer.
Probably bending your own wire would be best.
Thanks. So to be clear I need: Alps plate clips (from Blues IC), costar MX cap inserts (to fit Alpine Winter) and then bend my own wire for the spacebar?
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:13:56
Cheers mate! I think I can probably manage bending one (to my own low standards)Correct. Or find someone with leet wire bending skills. Last I checked, nickheller was going to try his hand at that.All this stabilizer talk is very confusing to me :-\Infinity kits come with a 6u stab set. But the costar wire gauge is thicker than Alps stab wires, so I don't know if it would fit in Alps clips (it might bind up or break the clips).
What are the options for a 6u stab that will work with these plates? Seems like there isn't an option for that in Blues IC. Seems that costar inserts (aka, the stabs that come with the infinity) won't work... is the only option cannibalizing a vintage alps board? Sorry if this was already covered in the thread, I didn't see an answer.
Probably bending your own wire would be best.
Thanks. So to be clear I need: Alps plate clips (from Blues IC), costar MX cap inserts (to fit Alpine Winter) and then bend my own wire for the spacebar?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:27:55
I thought you were going to add those holes once you received the dimensions from Mr. Matias.I know it was a little up in the air but, have we confirmed that the plates will work with Costar inserts?The Costar inserts that snap into the plate? No, the plate will definitely NOT work with those.
I will add the holes for the "Cherry" spacing for use with Costar-style (i.e. has the bend in the center for switch clearance) spring bars, and/or keycap stem spacing. I know, it's confusing. They still use the small plate inserts, identical to salvaged Alps stabilizer plate inserts.
IN NO CASE WILL COSTAR-TYPE PLATE INSERTS WORK WITH THESE PLATES.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:29:42
Got it, thanks.I thought you were going to add those holes once you received the dimensions from Mr. Matias.I know it was a little up in the air but, have we confirmed that the plates will work with Costar inserts?The Costar inserts that snap into the plate? No, the plate will definitely NOT work with those.
I will add the holes for the "Cherry" spacing for use with Costar-style (i.e. has the bend in the center for switch clearance) spring bars. I know, it's confusing. They still use the small plate inserts, identical to salvaged Alps stabilizer plate inserts.
IN NO CASE WILL COSTAR-TYPE PLATE INSERTS WORK WITH THESE PLATES.
Are we sure the 17AWG costar wires will work in the smaller Alps clips designed for 18AWG wire?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:34:31
Are we sure the 17AWG costar wires will work in the smaller Alps clips designed for 18AWG wire?
No, I haven't tried it.
Here is what the plate clips look like:
(http://i.imgur.com/ubUPSGY.jpg)
Post by: digi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:38:30
Also, if someone did spacebar wires for the group, that would be greeeaaaat, mmmkay? (Bill Lumbergh voice)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:39:09
I have some spares of each. I'll try to test it today.Are we sure the 17AWG costar wires will work in the smaller Alps clips designed for 18AWG wire?
No, I haven't tried it.
Here is what the plate clips look like:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ubUPSGY.jpg)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:41:37
JD, do you know if the stab wires from an Apple M0115 are the correct size for the SP Alpine set?
Also, if someone did spacebar wires for the group, that would be greeeaaaat, mmmkay? (Bill Lumbergh voice)
I don't have any SP Alps caps to try them with, so I really don't know. But from how the Matias stabilizers look, it would appear that you might need new spring bars (wires).
Post by: scubaste on Fri, 02 October 2015, 16:52:02
Post by: jevvix on Fri, 02 October 2015, 21:49:05
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 02 October 2015, 21:57:57
Would the Massdrop Alps keys be 100% compatible with the AT101W plate being offered here with the use of a Matias stabilizer set?
Yes the plate is compatible with the caps. But make a note on there you want the UNstepped capslock.
The stabs are also compatible with this set.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 03 October 2015, 06:43:09
The Tai Hao spacebar has Cherry stab mounts. Does the Matias stab set account for that?Would the Massdrop Alps keys be 100% compatible with the AT101W plate being offered here with the use of a Matias stabilizer set?
Yes the plate is compatible with the caps. But make a note on there you want the UNstepped capslock.
The stabs are also compatible with this set.
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 03 October 2015, 10:21:00
The Tai Hao spacebar has Cherry stab mounts. Does the Matias stab set account for that?Would the Massdrop Alps keys be 100% compatible with the AT101W plate being offered here with the use of a Matias stabilizer set?
Yes the plate is compatible with the caps. But make a note on there you want the UNstepped capslock.
The stabs are also compatible with this set.
Yep, it's got both cherry and alps stab adapters.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 03 October 2015, 11:08:13
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 03 October 2015, 11:27:27
Very happy with the way the GB is going, thanks for all your work Blue :)
Post by: tominabox1 on Sat, 03 October 2015, 21:25:33
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sun, 04 October 2015, 08:20:34
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:12:17
The click switches and linear switches have passed the $0.20 price point, and the quiet click switches have passed the $0.18 price point. The plates and PCBs are still WAAAY beyond the MOQ, and I'm happy there has been such a response.
The order form will close TOMORROW about this time/whenever I wake up and get my **** together. So if you have been dawdling, now is the time to enter. Invoices will go out as soon as I finish them, and we will move forward from there.
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:19:32
Post by: skaloola on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:32:59
Sorry for the probably silly question but I'm at a loss.
Regarding the powder coating option for the plate, wont the plate be covered / not visible? Is there a functional reason to get my plates powder coated?
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:38:28
Hi,Corrosion protection. But even with caps on, some bits of the plate will be visible. It's mostly a bling thing.
Sorry for the probably silly question but I'm at a loss.
Regarding the powder coating option for the plate, wont the plate be covered / not visible? Is there a functional reason to get my plates powder coated?
Post by: JaccoW on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:45:35
I hope I can take over (part of) someone's order by the time these start coming in.
I'll keep an eye on this thread and these sweet, sweet Alps boards. :)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 13:26:46
I would assume the at101w as it is a standard ansi layout, is that correct?
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 13:44:07
Which of these plates would work with the ovilette/dolch alps keycaps from mechanicalkeyboards.com?Correct.
I would assume the at101w as it is a standard ansi layout, is that correct?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 13:53:34
Thanks, I think im ordering one then :)Which of these plates would work with the ovilette/dolch alps keycaps from mechanicalkeyboards.com?Correct.
I would assume the at101w as it is a standard ansi layout, is that correct?
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 13:54:26
Make sure you specify non-stepped caps lock in the notes.Thanks, I think im ordering one then :)Which of these plates would work with the ovilette/dolch alps keycaps from mechanicalkeyboards.com?Correct.
I would assume the at101w as it is a standard ansi layout, is that correct?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 14:11:08
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 04 October 2015, 14:20:08
Hi,Corrosion protection. But even with caps on, some bits of the plate will be visible. It's mostly a bling thing.
Sorry for the probably silly question but I'm at a loss.
Regarding the powder coating option for the plate, wont the plate be covered / not visible? Is there a functional reason to get my plates powder coated?
It will be visible bling on the HHKB plate :cool:
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 04 October 2015, 14:53:20
Hi,Corrosion protection. But even with caps on, some bits of the plate will be visible. It's mostly a bling thing.
Sorry for the probably silly question but I'm at a loss.
Regarding the powder coating option for the plate, wont the plate be covered / not visible? Is there a functional reason to get my plates powder coated?
It will be visible bling on the HHKB plate :cool:
Was going to go HHKB style as well :thumb:
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Sun, 04 October 2015, 14:56:53
Any options for cheap cases? I've been eyeing http://world.taobao.com/item/44521181795.htm for a while but I'm concerned on quality and the cost of the Taobao proxy's shipping to the USA so I never pulled the trigger.
I was thinking of getting this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Keyboard-Compatoble-PBT-Keycaps-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32311183273.html). I mean it states that it's "Compatoble PBT Keycaps" and it will "Match all 60 keyboard", it has all the features I need!
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 04 October 2015, 16:05:37
Looks good. Is there an alternative vendor for this case that accepts PayPal?Any options for cheap cases? I've been eyeing http://world.taobao.com/item/44521181795.htm for a while but I'm concerned on quality and the cost of the Taobao proxy's shipping to the USA so I never pulled the trigger.
I was thinking of getting this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Keyboard-Compatoble-PBT-Keycaps-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32311183273.html). I mean it states that it's "Compatoble PBT Keycaps" and it will "Match all 60 keyboard", it has all the features I need!
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Sun, 04 October 2015, 16:46:11
Looks good. Is there an alternative vendor for this case that accepts PayPal?Any options for cheap cases? I've been eyeing http://world.taobao.com/item/44521181795.htm for a while but I'm concerned on quality and the cost of the Taobao proxy's shipping to the USA so I never pulled the trigger.
I was thinking of getting this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Keyboard-Compatoble-PBT-Keycaps-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32311183273.html). I mean it states that it's "Compatoble PBT Keycaps" and it will "Match all 60 keyboard", it has all the features I need!
All i got, sorry, maybe ask the seller if he has paypal directly?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 17:18:49
thanks.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 04 October 2015, 17:52:27
One last question, this one is just my impatience. Roughly how long will it take to get to canada? I'm only ordering a plate and 70ish switches...
thanks.
According to the gf, packages usually get to her in Winnipeg from here in 2-3 weeks.
Post by: wakko on Sun, 04 October 2015, 18:46:22
Post by: rand77 on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:11:26
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:13:13
MUST...RESIST...THE WALLET...HACK
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:19:31
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:20:29
I finally stopped ****ering around, dawdling, and ordered an at101w, click switches and caps from massdrop :D Although i feel my wallet tingling...
That tingling feeling is your wallet telling you to buy Alpine Winter caps, too.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:22:10
I would, and it would go great with my all blue setup, but I'm poor and on a budget. (by that i mean I'm in school still :P)I finally stopped ****ering around, dawdling, and ordered an at101w, click switches and caps from massdrop :D Although i feel my wallet tingling...
That tingling feeling is your wallet telling you to buy Alpine Winter caps, too.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:24:33
now all we need is a mountain alps keycap to impale our fingers on!
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:25:30
and I'm like everybody else, hoping for a crazy unique elephant artisan... FOR ALPS!
now all we need is a mountain alps keycap to impale our fingers on!
njbair has requested that from me for his buy...I'm still trying to see if there's a way to do it where it wouldn't look and feel awful.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:26:52
If you make it, and make it good, I'm buying one. No maybes from me.and I'm like everybody else, hoping for a crazy unique elephant artisan... FOR ALPS!
now all we need is a mountain alps keycap to impale our fingers on!
njbair has requested that from me for his buy...I'm still trying to see if there's a way to do it where it wouldn't look and feel awful.
EDIT: Cool, i made a page 6 :P
Post by: njbair on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:27:32
and I'm like everybody else, hoping for a crazy unique elephant artisan... FOR ALPS!
now all we need is a mountain alps keycap to impale our fingers on!
njbair has requested that from me for his buy...I'm still trying to see if there's a way to do it where it wouldn't look and feel awful.
If not I'll settle for a ghost Enterprise keycap.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:29:03
Heck, if someone made a banana keycap, I'd buy it... loland I'm like everybody else, hoping for a crazy unique elephant artisan... FOR ALPS!
now all we need is a mountain alps keycap to impale our fingers on!
njbair has requested that from me for his buy...I'm still trying to see if there's a way to do it where it wouldn't look and feel awful.
If not I'll settle for a ghost Enterprise keycap.
Post by: E3E on Sun, 04 October 2015, 20:34:36
and I'm like everybody else, hoping for a crazy unique elephant artisan... FOR ALPS!
now all we need is a mountain alps keycap to impale our fingers on!
njbair has requested that from me for his buy...I'm still trying to see if there's a way to do it where it wouldn't look and feel awful.
Translucent keycap with the image of a mountain in the middle. I suppose it'd be more like a layered cap. Stem > mountain > translucent final layer in the profile and shape of a standard key.
That would be way cool.
Post by: sean on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:34:20
Post by: cheddarbek on Sun, 04 October 2015, 21:39:22
What is this crazy urge I'm having, making me want to order a third kit?
MUST...RESIST...THE WALLET...HACK
I'm already in for 2 plates and pcbs(AT101W & Infinity)....but the HHKB layout is calling for me. It is like a horrible siren, singing a song that goes "buy one more kit."
Post by: E3E on Sun, 04 October 2015, 22:06:37
What is this crazy urge I'm having, making me want to order a third kit?
MUST...RESIST...THE WALLET...HACK
I'm already in for 2 plates and pcbs(AT101W & Infinity)....but the HHKB layout is calling for me. It is like a horrible siren, singing a song that goes "buy one more kit."
The exotic look of the HHKB layout is always so attractive, haha. When I was in this buy, that's what I was going to get hands down. I already have an Infinity I love with a bent case, but an HHKB alps... Ho boy.
In the end, I decided for something else I've had in mind for a long time! It should be amazing when all is said and done, and also much harder to source parts for. It's gonna be a fun easter egg hunt! Shame I had to step out of this buy for it, but it will be worth it, and also Alps-based! :D
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:13:06
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:17:40
Post by: ika on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:21:58
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:35:08
WORTH IT!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:52:48
Is the PCB compatible with LED's?
Post by: E3E on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:55:04
Someone asked me a question in PM that I couldn't answer, maybe someone here could help.
Is the PCB compatible with LED's?
As far as I've seen from the looks of the PCB, no. If you check it out, you'll see that there are no LED holes on the switch positon, though I THINK there is an LED for Caps Lock. From what I've been seeing, LEDs are usually only on MX/Alps hybrid boards and not typically on standalone Alps boards.
Post by: hasu on Sun, 04 October 2015, 23:59:01
Someone asked me a question in PM that I couldn't answer, maybe someone here could help.
Is the PCB compatible with LED's?
No. It has only a LED on back for debug or user programming purpose.
LED-less is a virtue of this PCB, just my opinion :D
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 05 October 2015, 00:56:36
Someone asked me a question in PM that I couldn't answer, maybe someone here could help.
Is the PCB compatible with LED's?
No. It has only a LED on back for debug or user programming purpose.
LED-less is a virtue of this PCB, just my opinion :D
Does that mean no Capslock LED also? It doesn't bother me if not. Just wondering.
Post by: hasu on Mon, 05 October 2015, 01:28:44
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Mon, 05 October 2015, 05:31:50
Someone asked me a question in PM that I couldn't answer, maybe someone here could help.
Is the PCB compatible with LED's?
No. It has only a LED on back for debug or user programming purpose.
LED-less is a virtue of this PCB, just my opinion :D
I took the liberty to make a render of the PCB for those curious where EXACTLY the led (and there is a reset switch as well) would be, here (http://imgur.com/4Ztncbe.jpg) it is. Note that this is the BOTTOM of the PCB, so from what i can tell it will line up with the hole in this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Keyboard-Compatoble-PBT-Keycaps-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32311183273.html) case for example, and I'm sure with many others that have a cutout there.
Here is my question to hasu: does that (led, resistor and switch) come pre-populated as well? Is it blue? I hope it's blue....
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 05 October 2015, 05:55:28
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 05 October 2015, 08:33:52
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 08:42:32
Is this still closing today?I hope so because if it stays open I may not be able to resist buying a third kit.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 09:24:27
Is this still closing today?I hope so because if it stays open I may not be able to resist buying a third kit.
Thank god someone else feels like this too
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 05 October 2015, 09:32:37
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 05 October 2015, 10:04:44
Added quiet clicks to my order because why not for $12!Good point! Lemme do that as well...
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 05 October 2015, 10:59:50
Added quiet clicks to my order because why not for $12!Good point! Lemme do that as well...
Hmmm. How would one change an order ? :))
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:02:54
Added quiet clicks to my order because why not for $12!Good point! Lemme do that as well...
Hmmm. How would one change an order ? :))
You didn't save the "modify" link Google gave you? :D
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:06:37
Edit: as long as you're upping your order, that is.
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:11:31
Just PM BlueNalgene. GB leaders love manually changing orders!
Edit: as long as you're upping your order, that is.
brb modifying my alpine winter order 8 times! ;)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:13:24
Got it. I've got you down for 8 more sets.Just PM BlueNalgene. GB leaders love manually changing orders!
Edit: as long as you're upping your order, that is.
brb modifying my alpine winter order 8 times! ;)
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:15:55
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:17:10
Got it. I've got you down for 8 more sets.Just PM BlueNalgene. GB leaders love manually changing orders!
Edit: as long as you're upping your order, that is.
brb modifying my alpine winter order 8 times! ;)
:eek:
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:18:07
Don't worry, I'm not going to send you nine orders. You're just going to pay for them.Got it. I've got you down for 8 more sets.Just PM BlueNalgene. GB leaders love manually changing orders!
Edit: as long as you're upping your order, that is.
brb modifying my alpine winter order 8 times! ;)
:eek:
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:29:31
Don't worry, I'm not going to send you nine orders. You're just going to pay for them.Got it. I've got you down for 8 more sets.Just PM BlueNalgene. GB leaders love manually changing orders!
Edit: as long as you're upping your order, that is.
brb modifying my alpine winter order 8 times! ;)
:eek:
Anything for the One True Alps Cause mein führer!
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:34:53
Don't worry, I'm not going to send you nine orders. You're just going to pay for them.Got it. I've got you down for 8 more sets.Just PM BlueNalgene. GB leaders love manually changing orders!
Edit: as long as you're upping your order, that is.
brb modifying my alpine winter order 8 times! ;)
:eek:
thanks jbondeson :)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 12:32:13
The GB will close today. I don't do encores.
If anyone has any last minute changes, I would be happy to take care of them for you. Just hit me up with a PM.
I'm still waiting on the Stab GB to go live here. Hoff must be napping.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 12:35:34
I figured the PCB wasn't compatible with LEDs, but I wanted to make sure. I didn't know if you could use an LED as a diode and still have it work for backlighting.PROTIP: scroll to the bottom of the home page down to the "who's online" section. Look for a mod (they are a different color) and PM them to approve your GB thread.
The GB will close today. I don't do encores.
If anyone has any last minute changes, I would be happy to take care of them for you. Just hit me up with a PM.
I'm still waiting on the Stab GB to go live here. Hoff must be napping.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 12:40:01
I figured the PCB wasn't compatible with LEDs, but I wanted to make sure. I didn't know if you could use an LED as a diode and still have it work for backlighting.PROTIP: scroll to the bottom of the home page down to the "who's online" section. Look for a mod (they are a different color) and PM them to approve your GB thread.
The GB will close today. I don't do encores.
If anyone has any last minute changes, I would be happy to take care of them for you. Just hit me up with a PM.
I'm still waiting on the Stab GB to go live here. Hoff must be napping.
Yeah, that's why I went with Hoff.
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 05 October 2015, 12:45:09
You didn't save the "modify" link Google gave you? :D
I must've closed that tab in a rare moment of clarity when I realised how much stuff I've still got in the pipeline.
I'll leave it, when you don't dare add up the amount you've spent on keyboards the past month anymore, it's probably time to stop :rolleyes:
Post by: phosphoric on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:18:35
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:26:03
i'm new to this stuff - would i be able to get away with ordering just a plate without a pcb and wiring it all to a teensy and still be able to fit it in a standard 60% case? or should i order pcb and plate?
You can totally do it with just a Teensy and wire, but it will probably be more work. PM me if you want to change your order.
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:27:19
i'm new to this stuff - would i be able to get away with ordering just a plate without a pcb and wiring it all to a teensy and still be able to fit it in a standard 60% case? or should i order pcb and plate?
You will need a pcb - the holes in the plate are too big for mounting screws.
Here's what a build without the pcb looks like http://imgur.com/a/3qYAf
It won't fit in the pok3r case I have unfortunately.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:29:03
If you still have changes to make to your order, please contact me soon so I can take care of that for you.
OP updated with counts and strikethrough.
Post by: phosphoric on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:36:47
i'm new to this stuff - would i be able to get away with ordering just a plate without a pcb and wiring it all to a teensy and still be able to fit it in a standard 60% case? or should i order pcb and plate?
You can totally do it with just a Teensy and wire, but it will probably be more work. PM me if you want to change your order.
i'm new to this stuff - would i be able to get away with ordering just a plate without a pcb and wiring it all to a teensy and still be able to fit it in a standard 60% case? or should i order pcb and plate?
You will need a pcb - the holes in the plate are too big for mounting screws.
Here's what a build without the pcb looks like http://imgur.com/a/3qYAf
It won't fit in the pok3r case I have unfortunately.
thanks guys. i figure i'll get both just because i don't wanna bother with the cluster of unorganized wires, nor do i wanna bother with finding/making a case that'll fit when there's already a compiled list of compatible ones.
Post by: phosphoric on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:37:46
The order form is now CLOSED.
If you still have changes to make to your order, please contact me soon so I can take care of that for you.
OP updated with counts and strikethrough.
wow, good thing i joined in when i did. i was thinking of waiting until i got home to place an order but it would have been too late. ;D
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:54:50
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:56:41
I didn't make it. I PM'd Blue about a third kit. I'm weak.I PM'd him last minute to add switches lol. They were very well priced :D
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:22:48
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:26:24
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:40:23
Yeah, considering adding some more switches myself... Blue, is it still possible to add?
Totally possible. Hit me up.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:41:13
When can we expect invoices to be sent out?
Today hopefully. I'm busting my butt on the Excel spreadsheet as we speak.
Post by: trees on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:45:31
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:58:52
Are we at the .16$ price for the quiet clicks yet? If we are or are close enough to push it over, ill get some more.
Quiet clicks are at $0.18 still. It would require a minimum of 430 more ordered to reach th $0.16 point.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 16:59:52
Post by: ika on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:06:11
When exactly are you going to close the gb (time wise)?
like... three hours ago?
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:11:51
On the next Quantum Leap:When exactly are you going to close the gb (time wise)?
like... three hours ago?
Sam leaps back three hours to help a swimming bird buy a keyboard before the deadline.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:24:49
When exactly are you going to close the gb (time wise)?
It is closed. I'm still messing around with Excel though. If you have some changes you would like to make, now is the time to PM me.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:34:51
On the next Quantum Leap:When exactly are you going to close the gb (time wise)?
like... three hours ago?
Sam leaps back three hours to help a swimming bird buy a keyboard before the deadline.
Already bought one! Was tempted to get one in AEK style as well though
Now just to find a case to go with this
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:41:06
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:45:48
Wait, will this work with a poker ii case without a pcb? If not I'll have to change my order, I was planning to wire with a teensyYou would have to find a way to fasten it to the case, since the plate has no mounting holes, only through holes for access to the PCB mounting holes.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:47:03
Wait, will this work with a poker ii case without a pcb? If not I'll have to change my order, I was planning to wire with a teensyYou would have to find a way to fasten it to the case, since the plate has no mounting holes, only through holes for access to the PCB mounting holes.
Sorry if it's already been posted but what case are you going to use for yours Nick?
Also, what layout are you going for?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:50:11
Would using standoffs work?Wait, will this work with a poker ii case without a pcb? If not I'll have to change my order, I was planning to wire with a teensyYou would have to find a way to fasten it to the case, since the plate has no mounting holes, only through holes for access to the PCB mounting holes.
If I got a pcb, how would you mount that?
EDIT: Wording
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:55:31
I ordered 3 sets: Dell ANSI, Infinity, and HHKB. With PCBs for all of them. I got switches for two of them, one with quiets and one with clicks. The HHKB plate is getting powder coated and the other two will be bare.Wait, will this work with a poker ii case without a pcb? If not I'll have to change my order, I was planning to wire with a teensyYou would have to find a way to fasten it to the case, since the plate has no mounting holes, only through holes for access to the PCB mounting holes.
Sorry if it's already been posted but what case are you going to use for yours Nick?
Also, what layout are you going for?
I'm honestly not sure what I'll be using for cases yet, but I'm thinking about trying my hand at a wooden case for at least one of them.
Depending on the shade of blue the powder coating turns out to be, I may want to get one of those blue TEX aluminum cases for it. But it will be a while before I'll have more funds for keyboard parts, especially with Alpine Winter (I'll be buying three sets myself if we hit 100).
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 17:56:38
I ordered 3 sets: Dell ANSI, Infinity, and HHKB. With PCBs for all of them. I got switches for two of them, one with quiets and one with clicks. The HHKB plate is getting powder coated and the other two will be bare.Wait, will this work with a poker ii case without a pcb? If not I'll have to change my order, I was planning to wire with a teensyYou would have to find a way to fasten it to the case, since the plate has no mounting holes, only through holes for access to the PCB mounting holes.
Sorry if it's already been posted but what case are you going to use for yours Nick?
Also, what layout are you going for?
I'm honestly not sure what I'll be using for cases yet, but I'm thinking about trying my hand at a wooden case for at least one of them.
Depending on the shade of blue the powder coating turns out to be, I may want to get one of those blue TEX aluminum cases for it. But it will be a while before I'll have more funds for keyboard parts, especially with Alpine Winter (I'll be buying three sets myself if we hit 100).
Yeah I almost joined that massdrop buy for the cases but read about shorting in the OP and didn't want to risk it
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:08:03
I have a black TEX case already. It's not a bad case. I also have one of their acrylic 60% cases. I'm eager to try something different.I ordered 3 sets: Dell ANSI, Infinity, and HHKB. With PCBs for all of them. I got switches for two of them, one with quiets and one with clicks. The HHKB plate is getting powder coated and the other two will be bare.Wait, will this work with a poker ii case without a pcb? If not I'll have to change my order, I was planning to wire with a teensyYou would have to find a way to fasten it to the case, since the plate has no mounting holes, only through holes for access to the PCB mounting holes.
Sorry if it's already been posted but what case are you going to use for yours Nick?
Also, what layout are you going for?
I'm honestly not sure what I'll be using for cases yet, but I'm thinking about trying my hand at a wooden case for at least one of them.
Depending on the shade of blue the powder coating turns out to be, I may want to get one of those blue TEX aluminum cases for it. But it will be a while before I'll have more funds for keyboard parts, especially with Alpine Winter (I'll be buying three sets myself if we hit 100).
Yeah I almost joined that massdrop buy for the cases but read about shorting in the OP and didn't want to risk it
I ran an IC recently for a monster 60% case inspired by SkiData cases, but it didn't really go anywhere. I guess people want small cases.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:10:32
I'm bad with freecad/librecad and such.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:12:32
Does anyone have a cad file for a case with no pcb that I could make on a cnc?There's got to be a way to use standoffs to raise the height up to the plate level, then you could just use washers around the screws to bite down on the plate.
I'm bad with freecad/librecad and such.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:14:19
Eh ,first build, I'm a noob. I don't deny that.Does anyone have a cad file for a case with no pcb that I could make on a cnc?There's got to be a way to use standoffs to raise the height up to the plate level, then you could just use washers around the screws to bite down on the plate.
I'm bad with freecad/librecad and such.
Thanks, I'll figure out a way... Somehow.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:15:18
Does anyone have a cad file for a case with no pcb that I could make on a cnc?There's got to be a way to use standoffs to raise the height up to the plate level, then you could just use washers around the screws to bite down on the plate.
I'm bad with freecad/librecad and such.
Yeah I was thinking it couldn't be too hard to fix it..... but I want someone else to do it first :p
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:16:42
(I'm allowed to make stereotypical jokes about myself)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:17:44
Us Canadians get ripped off with these prices. This keyboard will be my prized object in my igloo among my dog sled team and maple syrup collection... LolCan't you just fashion a case out of recycled Molson cans and hockey pucks?
(I'm allowed to make stereotypical jokes about myself)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:18:36
Us Canadians get ripped off with these prices. This keyboard will be my prized object in my igloo among my dog sled team and maple syrup collection... LolCan't you just fashion a case out of recycled Molson cans and hockey pucks?
(I'm allowed to make stereotypical jokes about myself)
But I'd have to destroy my scale replica of the Eiffel tower to get the pucks and cans...
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:20:24
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 18:42:18
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 21:38:57
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 21:39:29
I hate being indecisive...
Are you sure?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 21:40:05
I hate being indecisive...
Are you sure?
Yes. I just cost myself another $45.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 21:54:59
I hate being indecisive...
Are you sure?
Yes. I just cost myself another $45.
You made the right choice. A Teensy is ~20USD, plus all the wire and extra time, that's got to add up to more than the cost of the PCB. And the PCB will help with the overall rigidity and stability of the board, even if you did manage to figure out a way to shoehorn the plate-only assembly into a case designed for a PCB.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:00:25
I hate being indecisive...
Are you sure?
Yes. I just cost myself another $45.
You made the right choice. A Teensy is ~20USD, plus all the wire and extra time, that's got to add up to more than the cost of the PCB. And the PCB will help with the overall rigidity and stability of the board, even if you did manage to figure out a way to shoehorn the plate-only assembly into a case designed for a PCB.
Yep. Good thing I'm now broke.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:02:27
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:02:33
I hate being indecisive...
Are you sure?
Yes. I just cost myself another $45.
You made the right choice. A Teensy is ~20USD, plus all the wire and extra time, that's got to add up to more than the cost of the PCB. And the PCB will help with the overall rigidity and stability of the board, even if you did manage to figure out a way to shoehorn the plate-only assembly into a case designed for a PCB.
Yep. Good thing I'm now broke.
Yeah but it's not real money, it's Canadian money.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:03:58
I hate being indecisive...
Are you sure?
Yes. I just cost myself another $45.
You made the right choice. A Teensy is ~20USD, plus all the wire and extra time, that's got to add up to more than the cost of the PCB. And the PCB will help with the overall rigidity and stability of the board, even if you did manage to figure out a way to shoehorn the plate-only assembly into a case designed for a PCB.
Yep. Good thing I'm now broke.
Yeah but it's not real money, it's Canadian money.
WHAT? No! Our dollar went up 1 cent today! Now 1 USD is only 1.31 cad...
Post by: njbair on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:12:26
WHAT? No! Our dollar went up 1 cent today! Now 1 USD is only 1.31 cad...
Don't feel bad. As an American I'm forced to spend valuable keyboard moneys on things like firearms...and healthcare.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 22:38:19
WHAT? No! Our dollar went up 1 cent today! Now 1 USD is only 1.31 cad...
Don't feel bad. As an American I'm forced to spend valuable keyboard moneys on things like firearms...and healthcare.
You win. I'm out of stereotypical jokes. And snappy comebacks.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:11:50
Part way through sending invoices I forgot to put a line for powder coating.
If you get two invoices, this is probably why. I'm so sorry.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:32:06
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Part way through sending invoices I forgot to put a line for powder coating.
If you get two invoices, this is probably why. I'm so sorry.
You did better than me, I'd never be able to run a gb.
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:44:27
Let the alps roll!
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:48:51
Post by: Freetail on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:52:05
Post by: theginginator on Mon, 05 October 2015, 23:54:17
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 06 October 2015, 00:00:31
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 06 October 2015, 00:00:58
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 06 October 2015, 00:06:35
With that minor hiccup and the fact that I am suddenly responsible for so much money combined with the fact that I have literally been perfecting the spreadsheet for 12 hours straight.... I'm done for the night. I'm going to go ride out this panic attack under a blanket with some shoegaze.
If you have issues with your orders or questions, PM me and I get to it tomorrow.
Post by: trees on Tue, 06 October 2015, 00:26:44
Invoices sent to everyone.
With that minor hiccup and the fact that I am suddenly responsible for so much money combined with the fact that I have literally been perfecting the spreadsheet for 12 hours straight.... I'm done for the night. I'm going to go ride out this panic attack under a blanket with some shoegaze.
If you have issues with your orders or questions, PM me and I get to it tomorrow.
What is the due date for payment? I thought i would get the invoice after i get paid on friday
Post by: ika on Tue, 06 October 2015, 00:52:22
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 06 October 2015, 02:20:26
Post by: Tyr on Tue, 06 October 2015, 03:30:04
There's got to be a way to use standoffs to raise the height up to the plate level, then you could just use washers around the screws to bite down on the plate.
I tried that with a plate I got from LeandreN for a hand wired build in the generic Taobao plastic case, washers didn't work for me. What I ended up doing is getting brass standoffs, surrounding them with nylon spacers so the plate could rest on them (I needed to cut down the center one a bit to fit between the switches) and then use a short screw with a very broad head to hold the plate in place. The broad screws peek out a bit at the sides, but it's not to bad.
I'm at work so I don't have pictures, but here's the stuff I used:
http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Threaded-Metric-M2-Brass-Male-Female-Standoff-Spacer-Length-3mm-25mm-/191582241494?var=&hash=item0 (http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Threaded-Metric-M2-Brass-Male-Female-Standoff-Spacer-Length-3mm-25mm-/191582241494?var=&hash=item0)
http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/50x-10mm-Nylon-Round-Spacer-OD-7mm-ID-3-2mm-for-M3-Screws-Plastic-/130698223554?hash=item1e6e389fc2 (http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/50x-10mm-Nylon-Round-Spacer-OD-7mm-ID-3-2mm-for-M3-Screws-Plastic-/130698223554?hash=item1e6e389fc2)
http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/M2-x-2mm-Phillips-Flat-Head-Screw-Nickel-Plated-/201372215370?var=&hash=item0 (http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/M2-x-2mm-Phillips-Flat-Head-Screw-Nickel-Plated-/201372215370?var=&hash=item0)
Post by: atectatifern on Tue, 06 October 2015, 04:54:51
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 06 October 2015, 04:56:20
Post by: atectatifern on Tue, 06 October 2015, 04:59:33
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 06 October 2015, 05:11:45
Post by: sth on Tue, 06 October 2015, 05:12:48
tofgerl chill out homey!!!
Post by: Tyr on Tue, 06 October 2015, 05:40:41
i hope you are not factoring in those customs charges into what you will be charging the buyers?
I doubt it since customs charges are to be paid to the customs office, usually through your postman or delivery service. The sender doesn't enter into it.
Assuming it is shipped in a box I thought the $18 shipping charge to Belgium on the invoice was quite reasonable.
Post by: sth on Tue, 06 October 2015, 05:49:45
i hope you are not factoring in those customs charges into what you will be charging the buyers?
I doubt it since customs charges are to be paid to the customs office, usually through your postman or delivery service. The sender doesn't enter into it.
Assuming it is shipped in a box I thought the $18 shipping charge to Belgium on the invoice was quite reasonable.
it sucks that shipping from NL to US is so much cheaper than the reverse :( but yeah my invoice looks fine.
Post by: StormyMonday on Tue, 06 October 2015, 08:05:50
I'm disappointed that I couldn't have ordered a few more sets, but I'm already over budget and I still need to get an order in for those shiny Alpine Winter caps. :cool:
/* wallethack */
Invoice paid; I've finally joined the Alps Master Race! ;D
Post by: sth on Tue, 06 October 2015, 08:21:37
I'd like to thank the OP for his efforts. I sincerely appreciate the professionalism and lack of drama with this GB thus far. :thumb:
I'm disappointed that I couldn't have ordered a few more sets, but I'm already over budget and I still need to get an order in for those shiny Alpine Winter caps. :cool:
/* wallethack */
Invoice paid; I've finally joined the Alps Master Race! ;D
The master race was a concept in Nazi ideology in which the Nordic race—a branch of what in late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century taxonomy was called the Aryan race—represented an ideal and pure white race. (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race")
Along with the Jews and Gypsies, the overwhelming majority of the Slavic population were defined as non-Aryan Untermenschen, and a danger to the "Aryan" or Germanic Übermenschen master race. According to the Nazi secret Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost, the Slavic population were to be removed from East-Central Europe through expulsion, enslavement, starvation, and extermination. The Nazis eventually decided to exterminate the Poles and most other Slavic people, except for a small percentage of people living in Eastern Europe who were deemed to be non-Slavic descendants of Germanic settlers, and thus subjects for Germanisation.
Post by: sean on Tue, 06 October 2015, 08:40:10
I'd like to thank the OP for his efforts. I sincerely appreciate the professionalism and lack of drama with this GB thus far. :thumb:
I'm disappointed that I couldn't have ordered a few more sets, but I'm already over budget and I still need to get an order in for those shiny Alpine Winter caps. :cool:
/* wallethack */
Invoice paid; I've finally joined the Alps Master Race! ;D
The master race was a concept in Nazi ideology in which the Nordic race—a branch of what in late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century taxonomy was called the Aryan race—represented an ideal and pure white race. (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race")
Along with the Jews and Gypsies, the overwhelming majority of the Slavic population were defined as non-Aryan Untermenschen, and a danger to the "Aryan" or Germanic Übermenschen master race. According to the Nazi secret Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost, the Slavic population were to be removed from East-Central Europe through expulsion, enslavement, starvation, and extermination. The Nazis eventually decided to exterminate the Poles and most other Slavic people, except for a small percentage of people living in Eastern Europe who were deemed to be non-Slavic descendants of Germanic settlers, and thus subjects for Germanisation.
Oh god...
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 08:51:48
I'd like to thank the OP for his efforts. I sincerely appreciate the professionalism and lack of drama with this GB thus far. :thumb:
I'm disappointed that I couldn't have ordered a few more sets, but I'm already over budget and I still need to get an order in for those shiny Alpine Winter caps. :cool:
/* wallethack */
Invoice paid; I've finally joined the Alps Master Race! ;D
The master race was a concept in Nazi ideology in which the Nordic race—a branch of what in late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century taxonomy was called the Aryan race—represented an ideal and pure white race. (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race")
Along with the Jews and Gypsies, the overwhelming majority of the Slavic population were defined as non-Aryan Untermenschen, and a danger to the "Aryan" or Germanic Übermenschen master race. According to the Nazi secret Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost, the Slavic population were to be removed from East-Central Europe through expulsion, enslavement, starvation, and extermination. The Nazis eventually decided to exterminate the Poles and most other Slavic people, except for a small percentage of people living in Eastern Europe who were deemed to be non-Slavic descendants of Germanic settlers, and thus subjects for Germanisation.
Oh god...
I think I'll stay here with my hockey pucks and maple syrup...
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:30:52
Post by: StormyMonday on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:35:58
If you sincerely believe that my comments, which were clearly and specifically made regarding keyboard switches, can in any way imply that I am advocating the internment and systematic extermination of Gypsies, practitioners of specific religions, homosexuals, or those with mental and physical disabilities, then you have succeeded in thoroughly offending me. Furthermore, I would respectfully suggest that you seek professional help for your obsession.
George Santayana is credited with saying, "Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it." While I wholeheartedly ascribe to this sentiment, I submit that your contribution is out of place and unwelcome in this context. */
I beg the pardon and understanding of my fellow GH'ers, but I could not allow this to go unaddressed. Rest assured that this is my final comment on this topic and I will not be drawn into a pi$$ing match out of respect for the rest of you.
Post by: platypus on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:40:43
couldnt stop laugh
xDDXFDXFXFXXDXDXDXDXDxdDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDXDD OM GOSH
DDDDXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD A BIG ONE
XDDDDDDDDDDDD GRAT ONE GRATSTSS
XXDXDXDXDXDXDx
Post by: Zealousy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:57:45
Post by: digi on Tue, 06 October 2015, 10:01:20
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 10:06:06
Anyone else notice a change in tone in this thread after it was linked to the noobs on Reddit? :blank:
I've been watching this thread since it was posted..
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 06 October 2015, 10:07:13
Also, paid! ;D ;D
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:01:03
...but per the expectations set in the OP, if the blue powdercoat doesn't make at least one lady faint I will be asking for a refund.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:55:36
Paid! Very excited about this...
...but per the expectations set in the OP, if the blue powdercoat doesn't make at least one lady faint I will be asking for a refund.
Don't worry, the powder coating is endorsed by Bill Cosby, and guaranteed to make the ladies faint!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:59:49
Paid! Very excited about this...
...but per the expectations set in the OP, if the blue powdercoat doesn't make at least one lady faint I will be asking for a refund.
Don't worry, the powder coating is endorsed by Bill Cosby, and guaranteed to make the ladies faint!
I'm pretty sure you mean Sidney Crosby...
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 06 October 2015, 13:27:41
I'm back among the living and I'm about to start going through the PMs and changes I need to make.
To answer a few questions:
No, there was no VAT added to the shipping. As I understand it, that is to be paid by you at the customs/post office. The calculations are to give you a rough idea what to expect and prevent unpleasant surprises.
The due date for payments is soon. The sooner I get everybody in, the sooner we can get this rolling.
I sincerely appreciate the professionalism and lack of drama with this GB thus far. :thumb:
Let's keep this streak of low drama and high professionalism going. Everybody is entitled to opinions but please keep keyboard site rivalry, post-Nietzsche linguistic debates, and being a general grumpypuss to Off-Topic. All are welcome in this GB from the old Europeans at DT to the newbies at /r/mk.
Ok, back to the task at hand.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 06 October 2015, 15:41:52
(http://imgur.com/3cSF2cV.png)
(http://imgur.com/hWNsNql.png)
(http://imgur.com/kZWSmPo.png)
(http://imgur.com/TUm3fAN.png)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 17:32:40
While we are waiting for the invoices to be paid so we can move on to the next step, please enjoy these charts I made from the sales data:Show Image(http://imgur.com/3cSF2cV.png)Show Image(http://imgur.com/hWNsNql.png)Show Image(http://imgur.com/kZWSmPo.png)Show Image(http://imgur.com/TUm3fAN.png)
Yep. Click switches is exactly on... I ordered exactly 70 •_•
//edit: and apparently I'm not the only Canadian... Wow!
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 October 2015, 17:40:54
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 17:56:20
Or does that come with the case?
I'm still deciding if its work the hassle to design and make an acrylic case
Post by: eeymiel on Tue, 06 October 2015, 18:16:57
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 06 October 2015, 18:17:00
Does the PCB/plate come with mounting hardware to use with a poker ii case? ex: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Keyboard-GH60-plastic-Case-for-60-Mechanical-Keyboard-Compatoble-PBT-Keycaps-Poker2-Pok3r-Faceu-60/32311183273.html
Or does that come with the case?
I'm still deciding if its work the hassle to design and make an acrylic case
The PCB comes with holes. No screws.
The case you linked has a comment from a review that says it comes with rubber pads and screws.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 18:46:58
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:26:28
Post by: Sed8op8 on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:36:36
Post by: wakko on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:48:57
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 21:18:26
You don't want to see me try to code... except for,
If on Ubuntu, open terminal, type: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
BAM. Star Wars.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 October 2015, 21:29:35
Would I be able to use easy avr with this pcb?One of these days he's going to finish that thing.
You don't want to see me try to code... except for,
If on Ubuntu, open terminal, type: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
BAM. Star Wars.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 06 October 2015, 21:44:27
Goddddddammmmitttt I can't believe I missed this 8( If someone has some extra quiet clicks when this whole thing goes through I'll help you make them disappear for money haha damn I could have snagged a pcb plate and switches all at once haha bravo and although I missed it thanks for making this happen seems like a really cool buy
I got a set of both Clicky and Quiet Clicks to try out, so I might be able to hook you up in the future. I'm guessing a few big shot alp-heads stocked up on switches so that might be an easier/CONUS route :thumb:
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 21:51:32
Sorry if some people think this is spam, I call it keeping the thread alive.
Because a living thread is a happy thread.
A dead thread.... is a dead unhappy thread I guess
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 22:20:16
Would I be able to use easy avr with this pcb?One of these days he's going to finish that thing.
You don't want to see me try to code... except for,
If on Ubuntu, open terminal, type: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
BAM. Star Wars.
You replied to the star wars part. The one useless part in that post :P
But seriously, anyone know about easy avr or got a good tmk guide?
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 October 2015, 22:21:40
I would say TMK is easy to do once you learn it. And you really need to know very little code.Would I be able to use easy avr with this pcb?One of these days he's going to finish that thing.
You don't want to see me try to code... except for,
If on Ubuntu, open terminal, type: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
BAM. Star Wars.
You replied to the star wars part. The one useless part in that post
But seriously, anyone know about easy avr or got a good tmk guide?
I don't have any experience with easy AVR but you can post in that thread.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 22:23:32
The Olivette ones are out, I have blue and black going on here.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 06 October 2015, 22:31:42
I probably missed it, but what's the cutoff date on payment? Rent plus dp for car has me tapped for a weekish
I was wondering this as well. A deadline would be nice.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 06 October 2015, 22:33:59
I'm hoping this is my last question, are the dolch doubleshots on massdrop worth the extra $3 USD over the black ones?They feel the same, so it really comes down to preference of color. I bought all three so I'm clearly not the one to help you decide, but Dolch is almost as versatile as WoB, and arguably more interesting, if a little bit overdone these days.
The Olivette ones are out, I have blue and black going on here.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:41:51
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:44:42
The Dolch looks great, the Olivette will probably look great too. It'll be a tough call as to which to use...or perhaps a combination of the two.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:46:33
Pre soldered or not is okay, I just need to know if I need to spend $2... •_•
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:48:49
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I read this correctly we DO have to buy and solder our own diodes?
Pre soldered or not is okay, I just need to know if I need to spend $2... •_•
Hasu included diodes on rounds 1 & 2 for those that ordered assembled PCB (the only option on this buy) so I imagine he'll do the same for this round.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:50:06
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I read this correctly we DO have to buy and solder our own diodes?
Pre soldered or not is okay, I just need to know if I need to spend $2... •_•
Hasu included diodes on rounds 1 & 2 for those that ordered assembled PCB (the only option on this buy) so I imagine he'll do the same for this round.
So he included them, but did not solder them then?
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:51:32
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I read this correctly we DO have to buy and solder our own diodes?
Pre soldered or not is okay, I just need to know if I need to spend $2... •_•
Hasu included diodes on rounds 1 & 2 for those that ordered assembled PCB (the only option on this buy) so I imagine he'll do the same for this round.
So he included them, but did not solder them then?
Correct
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:51:49
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I read this correctly we DO have to buy and solder our own diodes?
Pre soldered or not is okay, I just need to know if I need to spend $2... •_•
Hasu included diodes on rounds 1 & 2 for those that ordered assembled PCB (the only option on this buy) so I imagine he'll do the same for this round.
So he included them, but did not solder them then?
Precisely. The assembled pcbs came with all the SD components soldered, but not the diodes. He did include ~70 or so diodes with each assembled PCB.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 06 October 2015, 23:55:47
Saving that $2 may go towards the $4 for Dolch... I don't know yet.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 07 October 2015, 03:03:58
Seems like there wasn't really a clear winner in terms of plate style
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 October 2015, 03:42:46
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 07 October 2015, 05:43:32
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:21:00
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:37:23
Would it be a 3mm m2 screw? Or a different length?
(http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/precision-wire-stripper-wires-22232-5883333.jpg])
Does it matter?
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:44:26
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:47:41
It does if you want to cut a screw with that wire stripper.
Not with that exact same model, i have a worse one, this (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Proskit-Multi-Function-Cutter-Pliers-8PK-313B-Heavy-Duty-Wire-Strippers-Crimpers-Metric/1726014199.html) one to be precise.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:52:01
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Wed, 07 October 2015, 08:55:23
Anyone else notice a change in tone in this thread after it was linked to the noobs on Reddit? :blank:
I just hope mine arrives before Deductivemonkee's so i can steal all the karma :)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 07 October 2015, 09:05:51
Probably. Canadian customs.Anyone else notice a change in tone in this thread after it was linked to the noobs on Reddit? :blank:
I just hope mine arrives before Deductivemonkee's so i can steal all the karma :)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 07 October 2015, 09:08:58
It does if you want to cut a screw with that wire stripper.Rekt.
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Wed, 07 October 2015, 09:15:37
I don't wanna nitpick, but it is the tool made for the job... Would you like to know more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPeKlrIdeQ)?It does if you want to cut a screw with that wire stripper.Rekt.
Post by: sth on Wed, 07 October 2015, 09:18:33
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 07 October 2015, 09:40:27
I don't wanna nitpick, but it is the tool made for the job... Would you like to know more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPeKlrIdeQ)?It does if you want to cut a screw with that wire stripper.Rekt.
8/8, top diy know-how m8!
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Wed, 07 October 2015, 09:53:25
I don't wanna nitpick, but it is the tool made for the job... Would you like to know more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPeKlrIdeQ)?It does if you want to cut a screw with that wire stripper.Rekt.
8/8, top diy know-how m8!
Appreci8 the r8, m8. Feels gr8!
Post by: Tyr on Wed, 07 October 2015, 12:25:53
I don't wanna nitpick, but it is the tool made for the job... Would you like to know more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPeKlrIdeQ)?
Dude sounds like Weebl :)) I kept waiting for the punchline or a song about weasels or something.
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Wed, 07 October 2015, 13:45:05
I don't wanna nitpick, but it is the tool made for the job... Would you like to know more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPeKlrIdeQ)?
Dude sounds like Weebl :)) I kept waiting for the punchline or a song about weasels or something.
I was just trying to help, by pointing out (in a lighthearted way) that there is no need to overthink the screws, and that there is an option to cut them properly, yet easily with a simple tool. A tool that in my opinion everyone has laying around, who solders things. What i got in return is belittling: "hurr-durr look at that poor summer-child from the leddits trying to use a wire-cutter to cut screws, what a noob". I've been a long time lurker here, only PMing the issues/orders/requests that i had, and in retrospect i should have stuck to that and never post. Yours is indeed a tight-knit community, but from what i gathered in this thread not the most welcoming one.
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Wed, 07 October 2015, 13:51:01
I don't wanna nitpick, but it is the tool made for the job... Would you like to know more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPeKlrIdeQ)?
Dude sounds like Weebl :)) I kept waiting for the punchline or a song about weasels or something.
I was just trying to help, by pointing out (in a lighthearted way) that there is no need to overthink the screws, and that there is an option to cut them properly, yet easily with a simple tool. A tool that in my opinion everyone has laying around, who solders things. What i got in return is belittling: "hurr-durr look at that poor summer-child from the leddits trying to use a wire-cutter to cut screws, what a noob". I've been a long time lurker here, only PMing the issues/orders/requests that i had, and in retrospect i should have stuck to that and never post. Yours is indeed a tight-knit community, but from what i gathered in this thread not the most welcoming one.
EDIT: nvm, i re-read what you said and realized that u ment the dude in the video, guess i had a few too many and overreacted; leaveing the post anyhow cause some of it is never the less true and for everyone to see how butthurt i can get.
Post by: Tyr on Wed, 07 October 2015, 14:06:47
EDIT: nvm, i re-read what you said and realized that u ment the dude in the video, guess i had a few too many and overreacted; leaveing the post anyhow cause some of it is never the less true and for everyone to see how butthurt i can get.
Crisis averted :thumb:
(I actually did watch the video and learnt something, so thanks - probably would've helped if I had led with that)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 07 October 2015, 17:57:43
I always use M2 x 4mm (0.4mm pitch) screws in my Poker-compatible cases.
Like these? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50-pcs-M2-x-4mm-Philips-Head-Screw-/350589181898?hash=item51a0be5fca
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 07 October 2015, 17:59:14
Yes, I'm sure those would work just fine.I always use M2 x 4mm (0.4mm pitch) screws in my Poker-compatible cases.
Like these? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50-pcs-M2-x-4mm-Philips-Head-Screw-/350589181898?hash=item51a0be5fca
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 07 October 2015, 18:09:09
I'm sending an official order to hasu for the PCBs, so we are about to be locked in.
Currently 72/96 invoices are paid.
Here is the current timeline:
Order from hasu tonight
Order from laser cutters tomorrow (pending caps lock questions)
Matias order hopefully Monday.
Everything else is unscheduleable at this time. (is unscheduleable a word?)
So here is the take home message. At this point, you're locked in. If you want to cancel your order after today, you should find someone to buy your slot, because I won't be taking them when the money is out the door on my end.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 07 October 2015, 18:22:46
I'm still waiting on two users to reply with caps lock preference. I need those things soon so I can place the plate order. I will be sending a nag PM to those individuals.
I'm sending an official order to hasu for the PCBs, so we are about to be locked in.
Currently 72/96 invoices are paid.
Here is the current timeline:
Order from hasu tonight
Order from laser cutters tomorrow (pending caps lock questions)
Matias order hopefully Monday.
Everything else is unscheduleable at this time. (is unscheduleable a word?)
So here is the take home message. At this point, you're locked in. If you want to cancel your order after today, you should find someone to buy your slot, because I won't be taking them when the money is out the door on my end.
I love timelines that tell me what I just
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 07 October 2015, 20:42:31
Post by: njbair on Wed, 07 October 2015, 20:57:46
Come on.... 18 more orders needed for alps caps to drop... I don't want to pay retail price...What retail price? I don't even think you can get them outside of a group buy.
I'm surprised it hasn't even got 100 yet. Last time it was a 500 MOQ, and even with KBP having to buy 200 sets to tip it, that was 300 orders from individuals. I guess they saturated the market. It would probably be doing better if they were offering new colors this time.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 07 October 2015, 21:42:05
Come on.... 18 more orders needed for alps caps to drop... I don't want to pay retail price...What retail price? I don't even think you can get them outside of a group buy.
I'm surprised it hasn't even got 100 yet. Last time it was a 500 MOQ, and even with KBP having to buy 200 sets to tip it, that was 300 orders from individuals. I guess they saturated the market. It would probably be doing better if they were offering new colors this time.
Massdrop has wayyy bigger reach than the folks that take time to comb through things on the hobbyist sites.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 07 October 2015, 21:43:41
I'm talking about Massdrop re-running the Tai Hao Alps sets, not Alpine Winter.Come on.... 18 more orders needed for alps caps to drop... I don't want to pay retail price...What retail price? I don't even think you can get them outside of a group buy.
I'm surprised it hasn't even got 100 yet. Last time it was a 500 MOQ, and even with KBP having to buy 200 sets to tip it, that was 300 orders from individuals. I guess they saturated the market. It would probably be doing better if they were offering new colors this time.
Massdrop has wayyy bigger reach than the folks that take time to comb through things on the hobbyist sites.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 07 October 2015, 22:37:18
(https://i.imgur.com/BXuUR.png)
Post by: sean on Wed, 07 October 2015, 22:47:24
Come on.... 18 more orders needed for alps caps to drop... I don't want to pay retail price...What retail price? I don't even think you can get them outside of a group buy.
I'm surprised it hasn't even got 100 yet. Last time it was a 500 MOQ, and even with KBP having to buy 200 sets to tip it, that was 300 orders from individuals. I guess they saturated the market. It would probably be doing better if they were offering new colors this time.
mk.com bought a bunch from the buy to sell at a markup, so no wonder so many were ordered.
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 07 October 2015, 22:49:15
Come on.... 18 more orders needed for alps caps to drop... I don't want to pay retail price...What retail price? I don't even think you can get them outside of a group buy.
I'm surprised it hasn't even got 100 yet. Last time it was a 500 MOQ, and even with KBP having to buy 200 sets to tip it, that was 300 orders from individuals. I guess they saturated the market. It would probably be doing better if they were offering new colors this time.
They could offer just about any non-obnoxious color combo there is and I'd buy it, because alps.
Last time round, I got Dolch, this time, Olivette.
I'm just so very pleased that there are folks out there with the considerable skill to design and engineer the things that make my alps love come to fruition. Thanks blue, njbair, jdcarpe, and hasu!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 07 October 2015, 22:57:57
This ball is rolling.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Wed, 07 October 2015, 23:12:09
I just sent payment to hasu.(https://images.rapgenius.com/cp69v4hxz3rlyu5u6ohinqfn1.300x400x10.gif)
This ball is rolling.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 07 October 2015, 23:33:45
Come on.... 18 more orders needed for alps caps to drop... I don't want to pay retail price...What retail price? I don't even think you can get them outside of a group buy.
I'm surprised it hasn't even got 100 yet. Last time it was a 500 MOQ, and even with KBP having to buy 200 sets to tip it, that was 300 orders from individuals. I guess they saturated the market. It would probably be doing better if they were offering new colors this time.
You can get the dolch/Olivette for $34 USD on mechanicalkeyboards.com
Quick. Plain black or Dolch.Does the dolch look as brown as in the pictures?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 08 October 2015, 00:13:33
Come on.... 18 more orders needed for alps caps to drop... I don't want to pay retail price...What retail price? I don't even think you can get them outside of a group buy.
I'm surprised it hasn't even got 100 yet. Last time it was a 500 MOQ, and even with KBP having to buy 200 sets to tip it, that was 300 orders from individuals. I guess they saturated the market. It would probably be doing better if they were offering new colors this time.
You can get the dolch/Olivette for $34 USD on mechanicalkeyboards.com
Quick. Plain black or Dolch.Does the dolch look as brown as in the pictures?
Screw it. I got Dolch. I just wish is had a fn key and was in dsa rather than oem...
Post by: StormyMonday on Thu, 08 October 2015, 01:58:00
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 08 October 2015, 09:13:31
Can't be too choosy about Alps caps at this stage of the game. I can't wait to get a look at the new Matias PBT caps when they become available. It sounds like they are in the home stretch, production-wise. :thumb:
That's why I went with Dolch I wanted something a bit more unique than pure black, and that I'd be happy with it.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 October 2015, 09:18:23
Edit: Oh, in case you're worrying that I don't know, of course I'll use Dolch on the Dell plate and AW on the AEK-plate due to the cap sizes on Dolch not being compatible.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 08 October 2015, 09:22:43
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 08 October 2015, 09:27:23
Where can I get a red esc key that I've seen? I know its made for Cherry but I saw it for alps a few days ago somewhereSignature Plastics sells a doubleshot alps red esc key.
http://pimpmykeyboard.com/esc-keys-dcs-sa/ (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/esc-keys-dcs-sa/)
Select ALPS stem and legend color from the drop down list.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 08 October 2015, 09:27:37
Where can I get a red esc key that I've seen? I know its made for Cherry but I saw it for alps a few days ago somewhere
PMK/SP sells a Red Escape key in Alps...but I don't know what you've seen lol.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:15:01
Where can I get a red esc key that I've seen? I know its made for Cherry but I saw it for alps a few days ago somewhere
You're probably talking about my Filco Zero with a red GEEK HACK cap on the Escape:
(http://i.imgur.com/fNhU1rT.jpg)
This pic was originally posted in my Tai Hao Alps Doubleshot review (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75694).
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Thu, 08 October 2015, 15:37:25
Where can I get a red esc key that I've seen? I know its made for Cherry but I saw it for alps a few days ago somewhere
You're probably talking about my Filco Zero with a red GEEK HACK cap on the Escape:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fNhU1rT.jpg)
This pic was originally posted in my Tai Hao Alps Doubleshot review (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75694).
I didn't know they made Filcos with XM switches. I read somewhere that you are using hasus usb-to-usb converter, why is that? Does the pegasus hoof not fit in it / different PCB design (different pin-out, no daughter-board, etc.)?
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 16:35:43
I've never actually had the Zero opened up, but I'm sure the Pegasus would fit and work fine. I just don't need one because I've already got the USB to USB converter set up and programmed for all my other boards that don't have those kinds of options.Where can I get a red esc key that I've seen? I know its made for Cherry but I saw it for alps a few days ago somewhere
You're probably talking about my Filco Zero with a red GEEK HACK cap on the Escape:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fNhU1rT.jpg)
This pic was originally posted in my Tai Hao Alps Doubleshot review (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75694).
I didn't know they made Filcos with XM switches. I read somewhere that you are using hasus usb-to-usb converter, why is that? Does the pegasus hoof not fit in it / different PCB design (different pin-out, no daughter-board, etc.)?
I wrote a review of the converter (link under More in my sig), and I called it a game changer. That's because it replaces so many other controllers and mods, providing about 95% of the same functionality without having to remove a single screw.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 08 October 2015, 17:17:39
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 08 October 2015, 17:24:51
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 08 October 2015, 17:39:40
Where can I get a red esc key that I've seen? I know its made for Cherry but I saw it for alps a few days ago somewhere
You're probably talking about my Filco Zero with a red GEEK HACK cap on the Escape:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fNhU1rT.jpg)
This pic was originally posted in my Tai Hao Alps Doubleshot review (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75694).
Cool, but no. What I saw was this: http://m.imgur.com/a/Kqrx6
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 08 October 2015, 17:57:45
(http://i.imgur.com/keXXV3N.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 17:59:52
Cross post. Tai Hao Olivetti on my V60 MTS-QVery nice. I haven't even opened my Olivetti set yet. What do you think?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/keXXV3N.jpg)
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 08 October 2015, 18:07:42
I like them. They are way better feeling then the stock V60 MTS caps.Cross post. Tai Hao Olivetti on my V60 MTS-QVery nice. I haven't even opened my Olivetti set yet. What do you think?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/keXXV3N.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 18:10:39
They are thicker than they looked in the Massdrop photos. They are pretty much as thick as SP caps. More quality issues, but overall, feel-wise they are very similar. A good deal for $20.I like them. They are way better feeling then the stock V60 MTS caps.Cross post. Tai Hao Olivetti on my V60 MTS-QVery nice. I haven't even opened my Olivetti set yet. What do you think?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/keXXV3N.jpg)
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Thu, 08 October 2015, 18:12:59
I've never actually had the Zero opened up, but I'm sure the Pegasus would fit and work fine. I just don't need one because I've already got the USB to USB converter set up and programmed for all my other boards that don't have those kinds of options.Where can I get a red esc key that I've seen? I know its made for Cherry but I saw it for alps a few days ago somewhere
You're probably talking about my Filco Zero with a red GEEK HACK cap on the Escape:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fNhU1rT.jpg)
This pic was originally posted in my Tai Hao Alps Doubleshot review (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75694).
I didn't know they made Filcos with XM switches. I read somewhere that you are using hasus usb-to-usb converter, why is that? Does the pegasus hoof not fit in it / different PCB design (different pin-out, no daughter-board, etc.)?
I wrote a review of the converter (link under More in my sig), and I called it a game changer. That's because it replaces so many other controllers and mods, providing about 95% of the same functionality without having to remove a single screw.
I checked your review, found hasu's post regarding it, as well. In your review you said that you might wanna build one yourself using an "Arduino to use on my desk" (i presume you mean the Leonardo, since hasu mentions the shield for it in his thread), and i tought that that's a bit too large and i would want to build a smaller one. I found this (https://www.circuitsathome.com/usb-host-shield-hardware-manual) page where they seem to have a smaller version of the shield that is pin compatible with the arduino pro mini 3.3V (https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardProMini) and they look nice and small together (https://www.circuitsathome.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/UHSM_mating.jpg). Problem is that the pro mini has a different chip (that i don't think is compatible /w the firmware), but even if it where, it rocks serial instead of usb... never the less i could probably use that usb host mini shield and wire it to this (https://www.pololu.com/product/3102) thing that i got especially cause it can power another 3.3 or 5 volt device and has a stepup/stepdown converter (i was thinking along the lines of bluetooth). It is currently in my black dell (http://imgur.com/a/zdtOd) (since than i found some 90s vintage white doubleshot keycaps for him), pinouts probably don't match at all, but i have some fancy wires laying around... Only issue is i can't seem to find the shield here in Romania... but i found something else that peeks my interests, check out this (https://learn.adafruit.com/bluefruit-le-micro-atmega32u4-microcontroller-usb-bluetooth-le-in-one)! Not that i have the firmware to make it work... but still, look at it, so cool!
(http://i.imgur.com/oJnWW8W.jpg)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 08 October 2015, 19:59:00
Went to pay my bill. I'm curious though, why is shipping $9? Should be like $3-5 max if we're using a bubble mailer or a small box. Is the price including the shipping from Matias?
Shipping for the US is $9 for everyone. It is based on CONUS shipping + shipping supplies + distributed Matias shipping + tracking
Edit: Also paypal fees.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 20:07:54
I didn't even pay attention to the shipping.Went to pay my bill. I'm curious though, why is shipping $9? Should be like $3-5 max if we're using a bubble mailer or a small box. Is the price including the shipping from Matias?
Shipping for the US is $9 for everyone. It is based on CONUS shipping + shipping supplies + distributed Matias shipping + tracking
Edit: Also paypal fees.
It's nice that you won't have to sort all those switches by hand.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 08 October 2015, 20:11:31
Post by: njbair on Thu, 08 October 2015, 20:16:04
I think we should move this to the review thread or hasu's converter thread, we're drifting pretty far off topic.I've never actually had the Zero opened up, but I'm sure the Pegasus would fit and work fine. I just don't need one because I've already got the USB to USB converter set up and programmed for all my other boards that don't have those kinds of options.Where can I get a red esc key that I've seen? I know its made for Cherry but I saw it for alps a few days ago somewhere
You're probably talking about my Filco Zero with a red GEEK HACK cap on the Escape:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fNhU1rT.jpg)
This pic was originally posted in my Tai Hao Alps Doubleshot review (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75694).
I didn't know they made Filcos with XM switches. I read somewhere that you are using hasus usb-to-usb converter, why is that? Does the pegasus hoof not fit in it / different PCB design (different pin-out, no daughter-board, etc.)?
I wrote a review of the converter (link under More in my sig), and I called it a game changer. That's because it replaces so many other controllers and mods, providing about 95% of the same functionality without having to remove a single screw.
I checked your review, found hasu's post regarding it, as well. In your review you said that you might wanna build one yourself using an "Arduino to use on my desk" (i presume you mean the Leonardo, since hasu mentions the shield for it in his thread), and i tought that that's a bit too large and i would want to build a smaller one. I found this (https://www.circuitsathome.com/usb-host-shield-hardware-manual) page where they seem to have a smaller version of the shield that is pin compatible with the arduino pro mini 3.3V (https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardProMini) and they look nice and small together (https://www.circuitsathome.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/UHSM_mating.jpg). Problem is that the pro mini has a different chip (that i don't think is compatible /w the firmware), but even if it where, it rocks serial instead of usb... never the less i could probably use that usb host mini shield and wire it to this (https://www.pololu.com/product/3102) thing that i got especially cause it can power another 3.3 or 5 volt device and has a stepup/stepdown converter (i was thinking along the lines of bluetooth). It is currently in my black dell (http://imgur.com/a/zdtOd) (since than i found some 90s vintage white doubleshot keycaps for him), pinouts probably don't match at all, but i have some fancy wires laying around... Only issue is i can't seem to find the shield here in Romania... but i found something else that peeks my interests, check out this (https://learn.adafruit.com/bluefruit-le-micro-atmega32u4-microcontroller-usb-bluetooth-le-in-one)! Not that i have the firmware to make it work... but still, look at it, so cool!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oJnWW8W.jpg)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 08 October 2015, 23:25:52
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 08 October 2015, 23:43:20
Just a notice for everyone. I am going to order the plates tomorrow. Last call on changes. I will placing the order around noon my time (12 hours 30 minutes from this post), and after that the orders are locked in.
Wooo! ALPS!!!!!
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Fri, 09 October 2015, 03:05:52
I think we should move this to the review thread or hasu's converter thread, we're drifting pretty far off topic.
Agreed, sorry that i drifted off topic. I won't post just yet in hasu's /your thread, cause i don't have the doohickey yet, it would be theory-crafting.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 09 October 2015, 03:33:07
Post by: njbair on Fri, 09 October 2015, 07:49:30
You're welcome to post! I wrote the review to help others. And hasu is selling those things so he wants to answer your questions about them.I think we should move this to the review thread or hasu's converter thread, we're drifting pretty far off topic.
Agreed, sorry that i drifted off topic. I won't post just yet in hasu's /your thread, cause i don't have the doohickey yet, it would be theory-crafting.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:21:33
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:24:44
Changes to plate orders will no longer be accepted. I have sent the order to the fab.
Did I read correctly that Matias was shipping switch orders direct?
Post by: phosphoric on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:29:31
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:29:52
Changes to plate orders will no longer be accepted. I have sent the order to the fab.
I like your speed
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:30:02
Changes to plate orders will no longer be accepted. I have sent the order to the fab.
Did I read correctly that Matias was shipping switch orders direct?
No. The switches will be sent to me and I will ship them as part of the group shipment. You may be referring to the fact that I included the cost of Matias shipping switches to me in the shipping part of your invoice.
Post by: LeandreN on Sat, 10 October 2015, 06:20:07
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 10 October 2015, 12:46:47
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 10 October 2015, 12:49:59
Post by: njbair on Sat, 10 October 2015, 12:53:17
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 10 October 2015, 13:04:57
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 10 October 2015, 13:11:26
To me, a true mechanical keyboard should be loud, and obnoxious, and sponsored by hockey.
Amen!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 10 October 2015, 13:13:37
To me, a true mechanical keyboard should be loud, and obnoxious, and sponsored by hockey.
Amen!
Now when I build my alps board, I have to name it the most stereotypical Canadian thing I can think of that isn't "the maple syrup board 3000"
Post by: njbair on Sat, 10 October 2015, 13:14:47
Call it the Model Eh.To me, a true mechanical keyboard should be loud, and obnoxious, and sponsored by hockey.
Amen!
Now when I build my alps board, I have to name it the most stereotypical Canadian thing I can think of that isn't "the maple syrup board 3000"
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 10 October 2015, 13:15:33
Call it the Model Eh.To me, a true mechanical keyboard should be loud, and obnoxious, and sponsored by hockey.
Amen!
Now when I build my alps board, I have to name it the most stereotypical Canadian thing I can think of that isn't "the maple syrup board 3000"
That's now patended by me, and sponsored by polar bears.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 10 October 2015, 14:30:56
So according to paypal, my 'business' is doing well. That means they are going to hold all of my money for 21 days before I can use it. Awesome, right? What this means for the GB is very little. I am going to probably push back the Matias order by about two weeks. I expect I won't receive the PCBs before then, so there is no cause for alarm. No delays in the shipping to participants is expected.
As a reminder though, if you haven't paid your invoice...please do that soon. There is now a 21 day lag between when you pay and when I can order. Please don't hold up the group longer than you need to.
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 10 October 2015, 14:36:15
Why are we using PayPal again? Why isn't there a proper business account place which just allows you to accept PayPal for payments, but don't store your money there?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 10 October 2015, 14:41:42
PayPal is acting more and more like a bank. This is like the "we noticed you have no money, so we're going to charge you more" thing or the "you have money now, but you'll have to wait till after the weekend to use them" thing.
Why are we using PayPal again? Why isn't there a proper business account place which just allows you to accept PayPal for payments, but don't store your money there?
It is a reasonable method to prevent or deter fraud. I am trying to angry at it, but I can't find much cause to be. It is possible to reduce the time period if you can provide tracking showing that a product was delivered to the invoicee. Unfortunately, in this case I cannot do that since the money needs to buy the supplies first. Think about it from their perspective: some dude that only uses there service occasionally sets up a business account, sends 250 invoices, and racks up ~$10k in about a week before sending a chunk of it off to an overseas account (hasu). If that doesn't sound shady, I don't know what does. We just need to ride this out and it will be fine.
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 10 October 2015, 14:43:43
What I'm trying to say is, I guess... GBs are hard... Good on you for doing one :)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 10 October 2015, 14:49:13
Well, this one isn't so bad, but some GBs have actually been stopped because of PayPal problems. Personally I like using Massdrop to avoid these problems, but then there are those who have had even larger problems with Massdrop, so you never really get away from it..
What I'm trying to say is, I guess... GBs are hard... Good on you for doing one :)
They are a hefty load of work. Thanks for the support.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 10 October 2015, 15:37:14
//edit: and also its 102 pcbs including my late order :D
Post by: njbair on Sat, 10 October 2015, 15:56:26
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 10 October 2015, 17:47:57
Who won the elephants bluenalgene? Or will it be a surprise and 3 people open their boxes and be like "oooh elephant"? I think it would be cooler for it to be a surprise, but its your call.
//edit: and also its 102 pcbs including my late order :D
Who said it was still only "3" "Elephants"?
The winners will probably be declared the day before the packages ship. I would prefer to surprise folks and not tell them beforehand, however the packages are going to full of stuff. I don't want a sweet reward to be thrown out with the packing peanuts. Gotta be practical.
I may use my business FreshBooks account to generate invoices for Alpine Winter, then people can pay me via PayPal or Stripe and I'll get the money instantly. I just have to make sure it's not going to mess up my tax return.
I would recommend it. The invoice stuff on Paypal is very user friendly, but the giant spiked dong attached to it is a bit painful.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 10 October 2015, 18:40:54
You are a true modern day poet.Who won the elephants bluenalgene? Or will it be a surprise and 3 people open their boxes and be like "oooh elephant"? I think it would be cooler for it to be a surprise, but its your call.
//edit: and also its 102 pcbs including my late order :D
Who said it was still only "3" "Elephants"?
The winners will probably be declared the day before the packages ship. I would prefer to surprise folks and not tell them beforehand, however the packages are going to full of stuff. I don't want a sweet reward to be thrown out with the packing peanuts. Gotta be practical.I may use my business FreshBooks account to generate invoices for Alpine Winter, then people can pay me via PayPal or Stripe and I'll get the money instantly. I just have to make sure it's not going to mess up my tax return.
I would recommend it. The invoice stuff on Paypal is very user friendly, but the giant spiked dong attached to it is a bit painful.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 11 October 2015, 09:39:02
Who won the elephants bluenalgene? Or will it be a surprise and 3 people open their boxes and be like "oooh elephant"? I think it would be cooler for it to be a surprise, but its your call.
//edit: and also its 102 pcbs including my late order :D
Who said it was still only "3" "Elephants"?
The winners will probably be declared the day before the packages ship. I would prefer to surprise folks and not tell them beforehand, however the packages are going to full of stuff. I don't want a sweet reward to be thrown out with the packing peanuts. Gotta be practical.
I just kinda assumed based on the pictures, that there would be 3, cool!
//edit: powers back on! ( was out from 2:30 to 10:00 pm PST)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 12 October 2015, 15:04:49
Who else is ready to see alps builds?
Post by: E3E on Mon, 12 October 2015, 15:58:35
Just ordered the last component needed to complete my alps build, the case! (I got a clear plastic case to show off the pcb,and because I'm too cheap for an aluminum case)
Who else is ready to see alps builds?
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Awww ye!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 12 October 2015, 16:12:50
:thumb:Just ordered the last component needed to complete my alps build, the case! (I got a clear plastic case to show off the pcb,and because I'm too cheap for an aluminum case)
Who else is ready to see alps builds?
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Awww ye!
And expect a (probably horrific) build log from ms too!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 12 October 2015, 16:21:13
Post by: njbair on Mon, 12 October 2015, 16:39:22
My friends are gonna probably hate me, I'm going to have 9 extra click switches and I'll probably end up carrying one around to click when I'm stressedI keep two orange Alps switches on my desk for Zen purposes.
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 13 October 2015, 15:21:33
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 13 October 2015, 15:24:00
What kind of timeline do we expect for PCBs? A month, 2? Just curious. Not in a big hurry. I don't envy Hasu, he has a lot of work ahead of him.
I'm not sure how far along he is. I'm trying not to hover over him. So let's just be conservative and say I will have them sometime during the year of 2015.
Post by: hasu on Tue, 13 October 2015, 15:49:06
My wild guess and hopeful expectation indicates I can ship them at the end of Nov or early Dec. But I'm actullay not good at estimating these things, no conviction.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 13 October 2015, 23:41:52
Belive me, the PCB assembly is currently on top of my priority :D
My wild guess and hopeful expectation indicates I can ship them at the end of Nov or early Dec. But I'm actullay not good at estimating these things, no conviction.
Wooot!
Post by: ika on Wed, 14 October 2015, 00:56:16
Belive me, the PCB assembly is currently on top of my priority :D
My wild guess and hopeful expectation indicates I can ship them at the end of Nov or early Dec. But I'm actullay not good at estimating these things, no conviction.
are you doing everything by hand? :o
Post by: sth on Wed, 14 October 2015, 05:44:41
linear brown alps :eek:
(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 14 October 2015, 06:52:39
hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :DLooks awesome in that case! Did you retrobright the spacebar?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
Post by: sth on Wed, 14 October 2015, 06:57:24
hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :DLooks awesome in that case! Did you retrobright the spacebar?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
didn't have to :eek: found an aek2 on ebay in really good shape for 30 euros shipped to me #soblest
Post by: njbair on Wed, 14 October 2015, 06:59:00
Why aren't they all like this? Computer geeks don't even like sunlight.hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :DLooks awesome in that case! Did you retrobright the spacebar?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
didn't have to :eek: found an aek2 on ebay in really good shape for 30 euros shipped to me #soblest
Post by: sth on Wed, 14 October 2015, 07:01:17
Post by: hasu on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:01:22
Belive me, the PCB assembly is currently on top of my priority :D
My wild guess and hopeful expectation indicates I can ship them at the end of Nov or early Dec. But I'm actullay not good at estimating these things, no conviction.
are you doing everything by hand? :o
Probably, yes. At least I did the last batch by hand.
I was thinking about fab assembly but it is unlikely this time.
I'll print solder paste, pick'n'place components and toast it :D
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69666.msg1703624#msg1703624
Post by: Yoe on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:49:28
hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
AEKII 60% with brown Alps… APPROVE!! :thumb:
Post by: sth on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:15:08
hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
AEKII 60% with brown Alps… APPROVE!! :thumb:
(https://smilecalm.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bowing-respectfully.jpg)
Post by: ShadeDream on Fri, 16 October 2015, 00:20:25
hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :D
linear brown alps :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
Looks great... I've been struggling to decide what to use for the case when I get mine set up. It'll just go into my Poker II's original case until I decide. So far silver seems like the best option to go with the AEK caps. My other thought was to seek out a paint to match the AEK and spray my poker II case.
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 16 October 2015, 00:31:10
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 16 October 2015, 00:41:55
I've been very happy with the tex case for my Alps. I did have some diode shorting as mentioned in the OP, but electrical tape solved that.Two sweet looking boards there.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/b98aad16dcaf5045faf0e9c0533d375b.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/32b1a2ac2e6668af652c9821948f24ef.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/78eb2b5da39c4a929b912d54ab57cbf0.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/7038454e7bbd5947953bd0a684ca18da.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/29172dd5b3d341db888e87edad91d0a3.jpg)
Post by: E3E on Fri, 16 October 2015, 03:22:18
hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :D
linear brown alps :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
How are the brown alps, my good sir? There is very very little information on them. Have you used the other Alps linear switches? If so, then how do they compare? I'm guessing you got them from a DC-3014? Thanks for your feedback! Great looking boards!
Post by: sth on Fri, 16 October 2015, 03:26:58
hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :D
linear brown alps :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
How are the brown alps, my good sir? There is very very little information on them. Have you used the other Alps linear switches? If so, then how do they compare? I'm guessing you got them from a DC-3014? Thanks for your feedback! Great looking boards!
unfortunately i have not used other linear alps, but i can't imagine a better fully-mechanical linear switch (outside of changing the spring weight, which would just be different, not better or worse). i got them from a pretty boring Visual terminal board.
hey guys, here's a preview (built with a custom plate) :D
linear brown alps :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nwy9wl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvQTFMX.jpg)
Looks great... I've been struggling to decide what to use for the case when I get mine set up. It'll just go into my Poker II's original case until I decide. So far silver seems like the best option to go with the AEK caps. My other thought was to seek out a paint to match the AEK and spray my poker II case.
the alu case i have is not my favorite for the sculpted keys from AEK. i am thinking about ordering a clear poker-style case from alixpress.
I've been very happy with the tex case for my Alps. I did have some diode shorting as mentioned in the OP, but electrical tape solved that.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/b98aad16dcaf5045faf0e9c0533d375b.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/32b1a2ac2e6668af652c9821948f24ef.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/78eb2b5da39c4a929b912d54ab57cbf0.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/7038454e7bbd5947953bd0a684ca18da.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/15/29172dd5b3d341db888e87edad91d0a3.jpg)
:eek: very nice!
Post by: E3E on Fri, 16 October 2015, 04:27:06
How are the brown alps, my good sir? There is very very little information on them. Have you used the other Alps linear switches? If so, then how do they compare? I'm guessing you got them from a DC-3014? Thanks for your feedback! Great looking boards!
unfortunately i have not used other linear alps, but i can't imagine a better fully-mechanical linear switch (outside of changing the spring weight, which would just be different, not better or worse). i got them from a pretty boring Visual terminal board.
Thanks for the response. Good to know there's another source than just the DC-3014 that has them. How heavy do they feel compared to MX switches if you had to guess a weight? Sorry if the questions bug you, but I definitely appreciate the information. The model # on the terminal board would be helpful just to add to what we know about the brown linears, but it's too much to ask for, no worries. I don't want to derail the thread with my questions here. They definitely sound good though! :D
Post by: sth on Fri, 16 October 2015, 04:28:46
How are the brown alps, my good sir? There is very very little information on them. Have you used the other Alps linear switches? If so, then how do they compare? I'm guessing you got them from a DC-3014? Thanks for your feedback! Great looking boards!
unfortunately i have not used other linear alps, but i can't imagine a better fully-mechanical linear switch (outside of changing the spring weight, which would just be different, not better or worse). i got them from a pretty boring Visual terminal board.
Thanks for the response. Good to know there's another source than just the DC-3014 that has them. How heavy do they feel compared to MX switches if you had to guess a weight? Sorry if the questions bug you, but I definitely appreciate the information. The model # on the terminal board would be helpful just to add to what we know about the brown linears, but it's too much to ask for, no worries. I don't want to derail the thread with my questions here. They definitely sound good though! :D
no problem! they seem about as heavy as blacks, maybe heavier. i honestly dont know their rated weight.
Post by: E3E on Fri, 16 October 2015, 05:02:50
How are the brown alps, my good sir? There is very very little information on them. Have you used the other Alps linear switches? If so, then how do they compare? I'm guessing you got them from a DC-3014? Thanks for your feedback! Great looking boards!
unfortunately i have not used other linear alps, but i can't imagine a better fully-mechanical linear switch (outside of changing the spring weight, which would just be different, not better or worse). i got them from a pretty boring Visual terminal board.
Thanks for the response. Good to know there's another source than just the DC-3014 that has them. How heavy do they feel compared to MX switches if you had to guess a weight? Sorry if the questions bug you, but I definitely appreciate the information. The model # on the terminal board would be helpful just to add to what we know about the brown linears, but it's too much to ask for, no worries. I don't want to derail the thread with my questions here. They definitely sound good though! :D
no problem! they seem about as heavy as blacks, maybe heavier. i honestly dont know their rated weight.
The yellow alps I have definitely feel heavier than blacks, so that sounds about right :)
Post by: ShadeDream on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:03:59
I've been very happy with the tex case for my Alps. I did have some diode shorting as mentioned in the OP, but electrical tape solved that.
Yeah I have the same case in black on my Poker II currently. Great case. No diode issue for me obviously but I did apply a layer of that rubbery drawer grip liner to minimize ping/reverb in the metal case though, would likely do the same with the AEK 60% which I'd imagine might block the shorting also.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:58:49
Drawer liner is full of holes though. Tape is still a safe bet.I've been very happy with the tex case for my Alps. I did have some diode shorting as mentioned in the OP, but electrical tape solved that.
Yeah I have the same case in black on my Poker II currently. Great case. No diode issue for me obviously but I did apply a layer of that rubbery drawer grip liner to minimize ping/reverb in the metal case though, would likely do the same with the AEK 60% which I'd imagine might block the shorting also.
Post by: ika on Fri, 16 October 2015, 22:53:22
Drawer liner is full of holes though. Tape is still a safe bet.
Shelving liner is a good call, like the kind you use to line wire shelves.
http://www.amazon.com/Con-Tact-Brand-Textured-Shelf-Liner/dp/B002GTQO7Q/ref=pd_sim_201_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=0PSSGVHSMZYSGWAM9NR2&dpID=31y1M88FbDL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_
Post by: rm-rf on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:00:26
please let me know. thanks!
i am interested in a pcb!
Post by: U47 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 23:24:18
Drawer liner is full of holes though. Tape is still a safe bet.
Shelving liner is a good call, like the kind you use to line wire shelves.
http://www.amazon.com/Con-Tact-Brand-Textured-Shelf-Liner/dp/B002GTQO7Q/ref=pd_sim_201_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=0PSSGVHSMZYSGWAM9NR2&dpID=31y1M88FbDL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_
I've used this stuff (http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/00238865/) as a liner on a M0110 conversion. Works well.
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:10:28
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:42:24
And finally paid. Hopefully, I wasn't the last, but hopefully I was so we can get stuff made now.
Still waiting on 5 people. Badger messages are going out today.
Current status:
PCBs - In production
Plates - Ordered (the engineer at the fab was out of town last week, should be soon)
Switches/Stabs - Not ordered (waiting until all invoices are paid)
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:54:03
In other news I just procured a blue alps board, so with that and Alpine Winter I will have everything I need for an epic 60% alps build! :cool:
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:03:26
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:11:05
Hey all in trying to find some nice blue,brown or salmon alps and the aekll I just got off of eBay had salmon alps but they feel like they have crushed glass or sand in them. I tried taking some apart but there is more to them then I originally imagined lol I an also not trying to spend an arm and a leg as I completely went over my keyboard and vape budget for like the next 6 months :eek:
I'd recommend orange alps. They come on older m0116,
Personally I have two salmon and two orange boards that are going to be desoldered in the coming weeks so I'll probably put up switch bundles and caps in classifieds. And I'm always hunting on eBay for more so maybe I can help feed some people loathe to desolder old boards.
Edit: tominabox1 corrected me on the model number for the AEK... thanks tom!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:21:02
This is a non-profit group buy, and I have already charged you. The opportunity to save this money didn't happen until after the order form was closed, the main invoices were sent, and people scrambled to put in last minute orders. The average participant who ordered switches overspent by $5.75 with the max overspending being $20 for one user. But this money saved will be coming as more switches. So I need to correct this somehow.
There are some options
1. I could refund the money saved by moving to a lower price. The total I would need to pay back is $368. The majority of it would be paid by money donated to me during the sale, but I would still be paying out of pocket to refund.
2. I could send everyone extra switches. This would just give everyone bonus switches with their order. The downside is that the numbers generally wouldn't be large enough to fill out another board. This makes the switches kinda useless unless you order more from Matias or you just break a BUNCH while soldering.
3. The fun option. I could send everyone silly trinkets. I could use the money saved by ordering more switches to make some stickers, 3D printed pullers, or other lightweight fun thing to include in the order. I would probably toss a few extra switches to everyone as well. The bulk of the extra switches I would use as donation. The switches or money made from selling them at cost would be used as a donation to a cause we can agree on (e.g. EFF, Destiny, server funding, etc.).
I'm going to summon an admin or mod to add a poll to this thread.
edit: clarity
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:31:43
So I've done a little math, and I realized that it is actually cheaper to order more switches. The current order means I would need to get 2200 click, 4600 quiet click, and 1400 linear. This comes to $1,548. If I was to order something larger like 2600 click, 5200 quiet click, and 1800 linear, then we would hit the 9600 price reduction target. That total order is $1,344. This presents a problem though.
This is a non-profit group buy, and I have already charged you. The opportunity to save this money didn't happen until after the order form was closed, the main invoices were sent, and people scrambled to put in last minute orders. The average participant who ordered switches overspent by $5.75 with the max overspending being $20 for one user. But this money saved will be coming as more switches. So I need to correct this somehow.
There are some options
1. I could refund the money saved by moving to a lower price. The total I would need to pay back is $368. The majority of it would be paid by people who sent a donation, but I would still be paying out of pocket to refund.
2. I could send everyone extra switches. This would just give everyone bonus switches with their order. The downside is that the numbers generally wouldn't be large enough to fill out another board. This makes the switches kinda useless unless you order more from Matias or you just break a BUNCH while soldering.
3. The fun option. I could send everyone silly trinkets. I could use the money saved by ordering more switches to make some stickers, 3D printed pullers, or other lightweight fun thing to include in the order. I would probably toss a few extra switches to everyone as well. The bulk of the extra switches I would use as donation. The switches or money made from selling them at cost would be used as a donation to a cause we can agree on (e.g. EFF, Destiny, server funding, etc.).
I'm going to summon an admin or mod to add a poll to this thread.
Wait until the dust has settled and there haven't been extra costs pop up first. Unless your current shipping costs including packaging and labeling materials.
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:40:25
I think the correct solution would be to sell the extras, hold onto the proceeds until the very end to ensure no extra costs come up related to the gb, and then once you're certain, then maybe do the 3rd option.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:42:45
So I've done a little math, and I realized that it is actually cheaper to order more switches. The current order means I would need to get 2200 click, 4600 quiet click, and 1400 linear. This comes to $1,548. If I was to order something larger like 2600 click, 5200 quiet click, and 1800 linear, then we would hit the 9600 price reduction target. That total order is $1,344. This presents a problem though.
This is a non-profit group buy, and I have already charged you. The opportunity to save this money didn't happen until after the order form was closed, the main invoices were sent, and people scrambled to put in last minute orders. The average participant who ordered switches overspent by $5.75 with the max overspending being $20 for one user. But this money saved will be coming as more switches. So I need to correct this somehow.
There are some options
1. I could refund the money saved by moving to a lower price. The total I would need to pay back is $368. The majority of it would be paid by money donated to me during the sale, but I would still be paying out of pocket to refund.
2. I could send everyone extra switches. This would just give everyone bonus switches with their order. The downside is that the numbers generally wouldn't be large enough to fill out another board. This makes the switches kinda useless unless you order more from Matias or you just break a BUNCH while soldering.
3. The fun option. I could send everyone silly trinkets. I could use the money saved by ordering more switches to make some stickers, 3D printed pullers, or other lightweight fun thing to include in the order. I would probably toss a few extra switches to everyone as well. The bulk of the extra switches I would use as donation. The switches or money made from selling them at cost would be used as a donation to a cause we can agree on (e.g. EFF, Destiny, server funding, etc.).
I'm going to summon an admin or mod to add a poll to this thread.
edit: clarity
Poll is up! :thumb:
Question though. The difference in cost between the two switch orders is $204, yet you mention that Option 1 would require you to refund $368. Could you explain this? Are you factoring in the reduced unit cost associated with the new order? I think it would almost be simpler to just divide that $204 amongst the buyers, scaled to order size, so you don't have to pay out of pocket. Correct? Then just keep the extra switches and sell them yourself. :thumb:
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:42:57
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:53:39
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:02:56
I'm not voting in the poll because I'm okay with all three options. :)
I can edit the poll to allow multiple choices! That way we'd at least have an accurate representation of how many people responded. :thumb:
@BlueNalgene, give the order if you'd like.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:05:22
Poll is up! :thumb:
Question though. The difference in cost between the two switch orders is $204, yet you mention that Option 1 would require you to refund $368. Could you explain this? Are you factoring in the reduced unit cost associated with the new order? I think it would almost be simpler to just divide that $204 amongst the buyers, scaled to order size, so you don't have to pay out of pocket. Correct? Then just keep the extra switches and sell them yourself. :thumb:
Thanks for the polljob.
The $204 is the difference in the order cost. The $368 number is based on the savings for each person who paid for a $0.18 or $0.20 switch that I only pay $0.14 for.
Distributing money to refund participants is fine, but keeping something for myself isn't good. I want to make sure this is truly non-profit, minus donations. I am dreading how this is going to look on my taxes.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:07:59
Poll is up! :thumb:
Question though. The difference in cost between the two switch orders is $204, yet you mention that Option 1 would require you to refund $368. Could you explain this? Are you factoring in the reduced unit cost associated with the new order? I think it would almost be simpler to just divide that $204 amongst the buyers, scaled to order size, so you don't have to pay out of pocket. Correct? Then just keep the extra switches and sell them yourself. :thumb:
Thanks for the polljob.
The $204 is the difference in the order cost. The $368 number is based on the savings for each person who paid for a $0.18 or $0.20 switch that I only pay $0.14 for.
Distributing money to refund participants is fine, but keeping something for myself isn't good. I want to make sure this is truly non-profit, minus donations. I am dreading how this is going to look on my taxes.
If you distribute the $204 and sell/gift the remaining switches you won't be keeping anything. :thumb: And you won't go in the red financially.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:14:07
If you distribute the $204 and sell/gift the remaining switches you won't be keeping anything. :thumb: And you won't go in the red financially.
That's a good compromise. That is what I'll do if the community decides they want to do the refund.
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:37:45
Anyway I voted switches because I can always use random switches and have plenty of other widgets cluttering up the place already and refunding seems like a lot of complicated work for a few bucks.
Edit: for myself, I also wouldn't mind terribly if you just kept the money for services rendered (seems fair) and raffled off the extra switches in reasonably sized batches (60-120 or the like) among participants.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:31:43
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:40:07
Voted for silliness & donations because I like both those things.
Ditto.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 19 October 2015, 18:03:57
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 19 October 2015, 22:06:51
Post by: jevvix on Tue, 20 October 2015, 07:01:36
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 20 October 2015, 08:17:05
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 20 October 2015, 08:33:04
Poll is up! :thumb:
Question though. The difference in cost between the two switch orders is $204, yet you mention that Option 1 would require you to refund $368. Could you explain this? Are you factoring in the reduced unit cost associated with the new order? I think it would almost be simpler to just divide that $204 amongst the buyers, scaled to order size, so you don't have to pay out of pocket. Correct? Then just keep the extra switches and sell them yourself. :thumb:
Thanks for the polljob.
The $204 is the difference in the order cost. The $368 number is based on the savings for each person who paid for a $0.18 or $0.20 switch that I only pay $0.14 for.
Distributing money to refund participants is fine, but keeping something for myself isn't good. I want to make sure this is truly non-profit, minus donations. I am dreading how this is going to look on my taxes.
If you distribute the $204 and sell/gift the remaining switches you won't be keeping anything. :thumb: And you won't go in the red financially.
^ I'm with this guy.
Post by: wakko on Tue, 20 October 2015, 13:35:26
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 20 October 2015, 15:12:40
Post by: eeymiel on Tue, 20 October 2015, 16:44:34
I'd prefer option 3 or 2. But don't really mind, you can also just donate all to something.
Post by: flabbergast on Tue, 20 October 2015, 17:14:04
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 20 October 2015, 18:38:11
Voted, my vote should be worthless since I didn't order switches.
+1 same here
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:47:17
Oh, the joy of democracy. The current results indicate that whatever you do, it's going to tick off at least 45% of people...
I know right. And people that aren't effected are voting too. I may be regretting choosing a democrazy over a form of government more in line with the Hannibal theme.
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 20 October 2015, 20:00:29
Oh, the joy of democracy. The current results indicate that whatever you do, it's going to tick off at least 45% of people...
I know right. And people that aren't effected are voting too. I may be regretting choosing a democrazy over a form of government more in line with the Hannibal theme.
Embrace your inner-dictator. Become the GB leader you were always meant to be >:D
Post by: njbair on Tue, 20 October 2015, 21:37:53
Oh, the joy of democracy. The current results indicate that whatever you do, it's going to tick off at least 45% of people...The best part is, if he had just kept his mouth shut he could have ordered the extra switches, pocketed the difference, and made even more money selling the extra switches at below retail in the classifieds.
And we wonder why our government doesn't tell us anything.
Post by: hasu on Tue, 20 October 2015, 21:47:04
Got part of PCBs and started assembly. My reflow oven and pick and place machin(my hands and eyes) works well so far. I hope they won't be broken until 100 pcbs are finished.
(http://i.imgur.com/CnrDXX3h.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 20 October 2015, 21:49:27
PCB production state:You are a true hero, my friend.
Got part of PCBs and started assembly. My reflow oven and pick and place machin(my hands and eyes) works well so far. I hope they won't be broken until 100 pcbs are finished.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CnrDXX3h.jpg)
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 20 October 2015, 21:50:23
PCB production state:Awesome! I noticed your last revision on the PCB was 10/15 - may I ask what you changed in the latest revision?
Got part of PCBs and started assembly. My reflow oven and pick and place machin(my hands and eyes) works well so far. I hope they won't be broken until 100 pcbs are finished.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CnrDXX3h.jpg)
Post by: hasu on Tue, 20 October 2015, 22:07:15
PCB production state:Awesome! I noticed your last revision on the PCB was 10/15 - may I ask what you changed in the latest revision?
Got part of PCBs and started assembly. My reflow oven and pick and place machin(my hands and eyes) works well so far. I hope they won't be broken until 100 pcbs are finished.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CnrDXX3h.jpg)
Not so changed. Added one switch position for 1.25u stepped CapsLock key. And some SMT diodes were moved to avoid interference with case but TH ones could not changed. You will be able to use SMT diodes instead of TH for case with thick PCB supports. Note that TH diodes are included PCB kit but SMT not, you have to source them yourself if you need.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1674818#msg1674818
Quote
10/14 Rev.C PCB: adds support for Cherry stepped Capslock and moves some SMT diodes
Post by: sean on Tue, 20 October 2015, 22:08:25
PCB production state:
Got part of PCBs and started assembly. My reflow oven and pick and place machin(my hands and eyes) works well so far. I hope they won't be broken until 100 pcbs are finished.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CnrDXX3h.jpg)
That's a lot of PCB's
Good luck!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 20 October 2015, 22:25:03
PCB production state:
Got part of PCBs and started assembly. My reflow oven and pick and place machin(my hands and eyes) works well so far. I hope they won't be broken until 100 pcbs are finished.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CnrDXX3h.jpg)
Please finish at least 102 PCBs, mine was number 102 :p
I appreciate the update hasu!
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 20 October 2015, 23:00:47
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 20 October 2015, 23:10:42
If I had any skills with a soldering iron, I would offer to help you. All I can offer in reality is a hearty 頑張って！I do have soldering skills, but with that many PCBs you have to use a reflow oven to make it happen fast. I'm at the other side of the planet, anyway, couldn't offer much help. :(
Post by: neverused on Tue, 20 October 2015, 23:21:27
Post by: pkircher on Sat, 24 October 2015, 00:33:07
thank you
Post by: digi on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:50:43
Post by: njbair on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:51:41
What is this poll about? What happened?Blue found a way to make things cheaper so he's trying to figure out what to do with the extra money.
Post by: digi on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:53:41
What is this poll about? What happened?Blue found a way to make things cheaper so he's trying to figure out what to do with the extra money.
Cool! thanks
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 24 October 2015, 15:08:58
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 24 October 2015, 15:11:36
Post by: pkircher on Sat, 24 October 2015, 16:32:58
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 24 October 2015, 16:40:56
id say independent question ether more switches or money back .. but should be on a per order base .. instead of a global resolution
I guess... I get your point but Blue has already done extra work to get the lower deals. It's a lot to ask to make him them pass these savings back to people individually.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 24 October 2015, 17:02:04
Especially since he didn't have to do the work at all. He saw an opportunity to go above and beyond for everyone who, by joining this buy, already implicitly indicated that they were okay with the price and the product. We should all be fine with whatever BlueNalgene decides. To quibble over a small handful of extra switches is just plain acting entitled.id say independent question ether more switches or money back .. but should be on a per order base .. instead of a global resolution
I guess... I get your point but Blue has already done extra work to get the lower deals. It's a lot to ask to make him them pass these savings back to people individually.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 24 October 2015, 17:40:36
If I remember right, he'll be saving the money by buying more switches, right? So regardless of the poll, we all get extra switches, neh?
Eh, probably not. If refunds are preferred, then I will probably sell the extras to afford to refund everyone. If silliness/donations are preferred, most of the switches will be used for the donations.
id say independent question ether more switches or money back .. but should be on a per order base .. instead of a global resolution
Yeah, I really wish I had the foresight so it wasn't an issue actually. The global resolution is the best option for a few reasons.
A. That is extra work.
B. Mixing methods would end up screwing me because the options are a bit compatible, and I can't afford to pay some back in refunds without selling off some of the extra stock.
C. Donation drives are less effective on a case by case basis rather than a collective response.
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 24 October 2015, 20:35:34
Quote from: BlueNalgene link=topic=75491.msg1906345#msg1906345
Eh, probably not. If refunds are preferred, then I will probably sell the extras to afford to refund everyone. If silliness/donations are preferred, most of the switches will be used for the donations.
Ah, then silliness abound I say!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 25 October 2015, 02:54:04
I finally was able to contact the final user with invoices! It turns out he just hadn't been on Reddit since I messaged him last, and he wasn't avoiding me. All is well. Money is in the account and the Matias order will be place tomorrow. Rather I mean the order will be placed later today since it is 3AM here, after I wake up and get some caffeine in me.
I have two things which are currently extra and in need of a loving home due to being dropped from an order. I have promised a user first right of refusal on them since he contacted me early on. If he doesn't want one or both of them, then I will post them here to see if anyone is interested.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 25 October 2015, 06:17:35
Good news!
I finally was able to contact the final user with invoices! It turns out he just hadn't been on Reddit since I messaged him last, and he wasn't avoiding me. All is well. Money is in the account and the Matias order will be place tomorrow. Rather I mean the order will be placed later today since it is 3AM here, after I wake up and get some caffeine in me.
I have two things which are currently extra and in need of a loving home due to being dropped from an order. I have promised a user first right of refusal on them since he contacted me early on. If he doesn't want one or both of them, then I will post them here to see if anyone is interested.
Great news! Good that they managed to keep their order
Post by: pkircher on Sun, 25 October 2015, 13:26:59
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 18:34:44
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:12:30
Is it possible to die of anticipation?
This is clipping along at a healthy pace for a GB. If you want to find out if death by anticipation is possible, I could delay sending your package a few weeks after the big shipment. :p
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:18:25
Is it possible to die of anticipation?
This is clipping along at a healthy pace for a GB. If you want to find out if death by anticipation is possible, I could delay sending your package a few weeks after the big shipment. :p
Now that would just be cruel... (I was trying to hint an update because I have nothing better to do)
And packages already take long enough to get to Canada.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:19:33
Is it possible to die of anticipation?
This is clipping along at a healthy pace for a GB. If you want to find out if death by anticipation is possible, I could delay sending your package a few weeks after the big shipment. :p
Do it for the science
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Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:19:53
Is it possible to die of anticipation?Translating and adapting a joke my dad says, the only one that dies of anticipation is the thanksgiving turkey. :))
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:20:22
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:33:41
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:07:54
There will probably be a noteworthy update until tomorrow.:)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:51:55
Post by: E3E on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:05:12
I'm somebody.
Anything.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:07:52
Hi,
I'm somebody.
Anything.
That gave me something to read, for say... 20 seconds? Worth the wait!
Post by: E3E on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:09:18
Hi,
I'm somebody.
Anything.
That gave me something to read, for say... 20 seconds? Worth the wait!
Haha. I do my best. ;D
Maybe go read up on the Monarch Alps custom! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75786.0
Post by: njbair on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:11:41
Can somebody just post SOMETHING? Anything?
Travel is possible.
October!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:12:10
Hi,
I'm somebody.
Anything.
That gave me something to read, for say... 20 seconds? Worth the wait!
Haha. I do my best. ;D
Maybe go read up on the Monarch Alps custom! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75786.0
Been there done that, I watch almost EVERY current alps thread... I'm an addict and I haven't even started yet...
Thanks though :P
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:34:53
YCan somebody just post SOMETHING? Anything?
Travel is possible.
October!
Post by: njbair on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:38:27
YCan somebody just post SOMETHING? Anything?
Travel is possible.
October!
(http://i.imgur.com/mYPezoR.gif)
Post by: sean on Mon, 26 October 2015, 23:18:11
Hi,
I'm somebody.
Anything.
That gave me something to read, for say... 20 seconds? Worth the wait!
Haha. I do my best. ;D
Maybe go read up on the Monarch Alps custom! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75786.0
Been there done that, I watch almost EVERY current alps thread... I'm an addict and I haven't even started yet...
Thanks though :P
You're Canadian me but I think I have more patience.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 23:33:39
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 26 October 2015, 23:48:12
Good news!I'm interested if there is a PCB
I finally was able to contact the final user with invoices! It turns out he just hadn't been on Reddit since I messaged him last, and he wasn't avoiding me. All is well. Money is in the account and the Matias order will be place tomorrow. Rather I mean the order will be placed later today since it is 3AM here, after I wake up and get some caffeine in me.
I have two things which are currently extra and in need of a loving home due to being dropped from an order. I have promised a user first right of refusal on them since he contacted me early on. If he doesn't want one or both of them, then I will post them here to see if anyone is interested.
Really not sure why I set my mind on desoldering my infinite... It's my least favourite keyboard related activity! Ha ha 
Post by: E3E on Mon, 26 October 2015, 23:51:47
Good news!I'm interested if there is a PCB
I finally was able to contact the final user with invoices! It turns out he just hadn't been on Reddit since I messaged him last, and he wasn't avoiding me. All is well. Money is in the account and the Matias order will be place tomorrow. Rather I mean the order will be placed later today since it is 3AM here, after I wake up and get some caffeine in me.
I have two things which are currently extra and in need of a loving home due to being dropped from an order. I have promised a user first right of refusal on them since he contacted me early on. If he doesn't want one or both of them, then I will post them here to see if anyone is interested.
Desoldering, desoldering. If you're working with a good PCB, it's hardly too tedious, just time consuming and boring. If you're working with a PCB with a tendency for lifted pads, it's a god dahamnuh nightmare, tedious, and time consuming. Luckily, the Infinity is pretty robust there. I have desoldered it twice with not even a hint of a lifted pad. Duck's PCBs on the other hand...
they really need a better manufacturer
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:07:56
Nope, sorry. It looks like the only extras at the moment are plates.Good news!I'm interested if there is a PCB
I finally was able to contact the final user with invoices! It turns out he just hadn't been on Reddit since I messaged him last, and he wasn't avoiding me. All is well. Money is in the account and the Matias order will be place tomorrow. Rather I mean the order will be placed later today since it is 3AM here, after I wake up and get some caffeine in me.
I have two things which are currently extra and in need of a loving home due to being dropped from an order. I have promised a user first right of refusal on them since he contacted me early on. If he doesn't want one or both of them, then I will post them here to see if anyone is interested.
Post by: skaloola on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:14:51
I totally forgot about stabs and missed the other GB.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:16:18
Desoldering, desoldering. If you're working with a good PCB, it's hardly too tedious, just time consuming and boring. If you're working with a PCB with a tendency for lifted pads, it's a god dahamnuh nightmare, tedious, and time consuming. Luckily, the Infinity is pretty robust there. I have desoldered it twice with not even a hint of a lifted pad. Duck's PCBs on the other hand...
they really need a better manufacturer
Well that's good to know! The last thing I desoldered was a Leopold numpad and I basically needed up destroying it in the process...
Nope, sorry. It looks like the only extras at the moment are plates.S'all good! May the alp Gods shine on me whilst I banish the Cherries from the board.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:17:59
Will our orders be coming with stabilizers? If not maybe thats what the extra $$ could go toward..
I totally forgot about stabs and missed the other GB.
Sorry man, it would be an interesting use of the money, but it is too late. I placed the order for the switches and stabs earlier today.
Post by: skaloola on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:28:52
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 27 October 2015, 01:08:27
Oh well, is there another place to order stabs? Just email Matias I guess?
They are the last entry underneath "Alps Keycaps" near the middle of the page.
http://matias.ca/order/ (http://matias.ca/order/)
Post by: braidn on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:33:48
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:47:17
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:48:49
What's a reasonable price for an AEKII? Have a few in the works but feel like they are a tad on the high side.$20-30 should be your goal but I have not seen many <$40 with shipping on ebay. I got two for $40 locally
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:34:28
Post by: E3E on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:51:14
What's a reasonable price for an AEKII? Have a few in the works but feel like they are a tad on the high side.
The previous suggestion is on key, but I'd extend it from $20-40 with $50 + being the price of desperation in the same way those who are desperate for blue Alps pay $100 + (ie, me :P).
If you're patient, you can probably get one for cheap. There's an AEK on ebay.de (Germany) if that's relevant to you. http://www.ebay.de/itm/Apple-Tastatur-M3501-und-Maus-/141811339305?hash=item21049d5029:g:h0YAAOSwo0JWLSmW
Post by: sean on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:55:46
What's a reasonable price for an AEKII? Have a few in the works but feel like they are a tad on the high side.I got one for $30 with pristine caps. I ended up scratching one of the keys on the numpad so I probably have to buy another now. I'd say $50-$60 isn't too unreasonable if it's in good condition.
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 27 October 2015, 10:07:00
What's a reasonable price for an AEKII? Have a few in the works but feel like they are a tad on the high side.I got one for $30 with pristine caps. I ended up scratching one of the keys on the numpad so I probably have to buy another now. I'd say $50-$60 isn't too unreasonable if it's in good condition.
$50 shipped would be tops I'd pay for an AEKII, $60 would be right out. The switches (Cream Damped) aren't great without modding, so you're basically paying for the key caps unless you're willing to put in a lot of work.
If you can find an AEKI, then you can pay more because you'd be looking at Salmon or Orange Alps.
Post by: keyboardia1 on Tue, 27 October 2015, 10:23:16
I've payed €30 including shipping for my AEK II with ISO layout. I'd say that's fair price considering how much i've payed for other keysets ... and they didn't even come with a keyboard as a bonus ;)What's a reasonable price for an AEKII? Have a few in the works but feel like they are a tad on the high side.I got one for $30 with pristine caps. I ended up scratching one of the keys on the numpad so I probably have to buy another now. I'd say $50-$60 isn't too unreasonable if it's in good condition.
$50 shipped would be tops I'd pay for an AEKII, $60 would be right out. The switches (Cream Damped) aren't great without modding, so you're basically paying for the key caps unless you're willing to put in a lot of work.
If you can find an AEKI, then you can pay more because you'd be looking at Salmon or Orange Alps.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 27 October 2015, 10:24:46
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 27 October 2015, 13:44:51
the same way those who are desperate for blue Alps pay $100 + (ie, me :P).
I've been on the hunt for blue alps, but haven't come across a board at any price for a while. :(
Post by: E3E on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:49:24
the same way those who are desperate for blue Alps pay $100 + (ie, me :P).
I've been on the hunt for blue alps, but haven't come across a board at any price for a while. :(
Two just went on eBay for $99 :/ $100 is pretty much the average you can look to spend on these. Damn, wish I could have helped! I was posting over on the great finds thread on Deskthority.
Post by: sean on Tue, 27 October 2015, 18:34:22
the same way those who are desperate for blue Alps pay $100 + (ie, me :P).
I've been on the hunt for blue alps, but haven't come across a board at any price for a while. :(
Try all the keywords that will show you all of the vintage keyboard listings. I was able to get my board with blue Alps because it got buried underneath other listings very quickly since the listing didn't have any keywords that stood out as a blue Alps board.
Post by: E3E on Tue, 27 October 2015, 20:16:30
Try all the keywords that will show you all of the vintage keyboard listings. I was able to get my board with blue Alps because it got buried underneath other listings very quickly since the listing didn't have any keywords that stood out as a blue Alps board.
Yep, this is true. It's how I got my Dell AT101 w/ Salmon alps for $29 + shipping whereas the damn thing usually always sells for $100+ It even has a DIN connector, which is something I haven't seen on any examples yet (though I'm sure there are some), so kinda cool! I love those giant connectors.
I have almost all of my eBay "interest" searches I'm following taken up by keyboard-related stuff now. Leads on green alps, blue alps, amber, brown tactile and linear, etc. I'm not super eager to buy anything now since I have all I need, but eventually I'm going to get one of those IBM 5140s for the caps and tactile browns, and a Wang for the alphas.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 28 October 2015, 19:56:26
The Matias order is in, and they will be shipping the order so I can promptly lose the majority of the space in my living room.
The laser cutter got the final quote to me and is manufacturing a sample to make sure everything looks good before they go all in on production.
I will also be ordering shipping supplies tonight such as boxes.
I don't think I've seen it anywhere in the thread but is there a photo of the colour that the plate is going to be anodized in?
There is no photo, because the powder coating place I will be using is too mom and pop for 'samples' and a 'nice website'. All I can tell you now is that it will (hopefully) be metallic blue which is darker than the metallic blue offered on the usual array of poker cases. That is the vision.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:17:15
Update:
The Matias order is in, and they will be shipping the order so I can promptly lose the majority of the space in my living room.
The laser cutter got the final quote to me and is manufacturing a sample to make sure everything looks good before they go all in on production.
I will also be ordering shipping supplies tonight such as boxes.I don't think I've seen it anywhere in the thread but is there a photo of the colour that the plate is going to be anodized in?
There is no photo, because the powder coating place I will be using is too mom and pop for 'samples' and a 'nice website'. All I can tell you now is that it will (hopefully) be metallic blue which is darker than the metallic blue offered on the usual array of poker cases. That is the vision.
What happened to the 3 week PayPal money steal?
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:22:22
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:31:07
What happened to the 3 week PayPal money steal?
That was announced on the 10th, so it has been 18 days since then. The moneysteal wasn't a complete lock down, rather it was that each payment since the date in question would have the delay applied to it. So not all of it is in yet, but there is enough for me to keep things rolling. I also purposely staggered the purchases so there would not be a problem, and the schedule would be maintained.
Blue knocked over a 7/11 so we can get our Alps sooner.
Snitches get stitches, you better watch those loose lips of yours.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:44:45
One more thing. There is a 2 week delay on the switches, since we actually ordered more than the current stock at Matias. They need a lead time so they can get some piping fresh ones to send.What happened to the 3 week PayPal money steal?
That was announced on the 10th, so it has been 18 days since then. The moneysteal wasn't a complete lock down, rather it was that each payment since the date in question would have the delay applied to it. So not all of it is in yet, but there is enough for me to keep things rolling. I also purposely staggered the purchases so there would not be a problem, and the schedule would be maintained.Blue knocked over a 7/11 so we can get our Alps sooner.
Snitches get stitches, you better watch those loose lips of yours.
How many switches did Matias have? We only ordered nearly 10k switches... They should have that many on hand!
Post by: E3E on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:46:27
One more thing. There is a 2 week delay on the switches, since we actually ordered more than the current stock at Matias. They need a lead time so they can get some piping fresh ones to send.What happened to the 3 week PayPal money steal?
That was announced on the 10th, so it has been 18 days since then. The moneysteal wasn't a complete lock down, rather it was that each payment since the date in question would have the delay applied to it. So not all of it is in yet, but there is enough for me to keep things rolling. I also purposely staggered the purchases so there would not be a problem, and the schedule would be maintained.Blue knocked over a 7/11 so we can get our Alps sooner.
Snitches get stitches, you better watch those loose lips of yours.
How many switches did Matias have? We only ordered nearly 10k switches... They should have that many on hand!
That just made me think of a single "keyboard" with 10,000 switches. Like a whole room consisting of nothing but keyswitches.
Post by: pkircher on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:49:40
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 28 October 2015, 23:24:55
10k switches are aprox 100 boards its not that much :)
*96.1 boards
Full size boards at least
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 29 October 2015, 04:44:41
Post by: skaloola on Sat, 31 October 2015, 04:41:02
it looks like there is a spot on Matias switches for an LED, would the PCB from this GB support in switch LEDs?
Post by: E3E on Sat, 31 October 2015, 04:52:52
sorry this is probably a dumb question:
it looks like there is a spot on Matias switches for an LED, would the PCB from this GB support in switch LEDs?
Nope, the PCBs do not support in-switch LEDs.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 31 October 2015, 13:43:05
Thanks!
Post by: slaction on Sat, 31 October 2015, 19:59:10
If anyone has an alps locking switch, it would be great free, but I could pay as well.
I have one that I don't care to send, but you'd have to cover shipping, not sure how much it would be since i'm in KY -US.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 31 October 2015, 20:10:09
If anyone has an alps locking switch, it would be great free, but I could pay as well.
I have one that I don't care to send, but you'd have to cover shipping, not sure how much it would be since i'm in KY -US.
Couldn't be that much if it went in a bubble letter thing.
Thanks, I'll pm you.
Post by: sean on Sat, 31 October 2015, 23:07:02
If anyone has an alps locking switch, it would be great free, but I could pay as well.
I have one that I don't care to send, but you'd have to cover shipping, not sure how much it would be since i'm in KY -US.
Couldn't be that much if it went in a bubble letter thing.
Thanks, I'll pm you.
Whats the locking switch gonna be for? Alps64? I have one on the caps lock and I might get another for a function layer.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 31 October 2015, 23:28:41
If anyone has an alps locking switch, it would be great free, but I could pay as well.
I have one that I don't care to send, but you'd have to cover shipping, not sure how much it would be since i'm in KY -US.
Couldn't be that much if it went in a bubble letter thing.
Thanks, I'll pm you.
Whats the locking switch gonna be for? Alps64? I have one on the caps lock and I might get another for a function layer.
It would have been for caps lock.
Post by: morffius on Sun, 01 November 2015, 16:17:02
Post by: ctm on Wed, 04 November 2015, 09:56:17
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 04 November 2015, 10:05:59
The GB is running pretty smoothly, let's wait till we're done before complicating things!
Post by: ctm on Wed, 04 November 2015, 10:21:23
Bit early for that :eek:Just asking. I missed the first round so I wonder if there will ever be a second round.
The GB is running pretty smoothly, let's wait till we're done before complicating things!
Actually I am not sure if I will join the second round (if there will be one). I am now using a half-custom keyboard (V60 with PCB replaced by hasu's Alps 64). It's great that it uses TMK firmware and is fully programmable, but it also comes with some minor problems of V60 (not well compatible with Poker cases and wobbling spacebar stabilizer). I believe building a new board from ground up will be better, but this V60 has been with me for a year and there are some memories and emotions tied with it...
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 04 November 2015, 11:03:03
Remember: His hardest part has yet to come - packing and sending all the individual orders all over the world.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 04 November 2015, 11:10:02
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 04 November 2015, 15:09:53
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 04 November 2015, 15:18:26
Blue: what was the breakdown for plates? I'm curious how popular the AEK layout really is. I have an idea in my head that most people want a normal ANSI layout but maybe I will be surprised.
I think he did some sort of statistical analysis of the breakdown somewhere in the thread...
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 04 November 2015, 15:21:10
(http://i.imgur.com/kZWSmPo.png)
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 04 November 2015, 15:22:13
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 04 November 2015, 17:02:18
The AEK took less of a chunk out (only 24%) than the standard layouts (32%). Both pale in comparison to the modern layouts (44%) which were quite popular. The AEK portion is probably due to the availability of used caps and stems which make sourcing parts easier. In my opinion, the modern layouts only made such a big chunk because of Alpine Winter. The availability of the parts gives an opportunity for users to try out something new to them like an exotic layout or switches beyond the Cherry mainstay.
It will be interesting to see what effects this will have on future design decisions and group buy organization. The first successful Alps complete keycap set in conjunction with the plethora of Matias switches which are about to be in the hands of the community may influence what is accepted by the mainstream.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 04 November 2015, 17:03:25
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 04 November 2015, 19:30:43
And to preempt the inevitable questioning... No news to report. The army to conquer Rome didn't cross the Alps in a day.
Soooo... Elephants conquered Rome?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 04 November 2015, 20:03:22
To conquer, as in set to conquer without having attempted it yet. Perhaps there was some confusion due to the language barrier between English and Canafrenchlish.And to preempt the inevitable questioning... No news to report. The army to conquer Rome didn't cross the Alps in a day.
Soooo... Elephants conquered Rome?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 04 November 2015, 23:30:10
To conquer, as in set to conquer without having attempted it yet. Perhaps there was some confusion due to the language barrier between English and Canafrenchlish.And to preempt the inevitable questioning... No news to report. The army to conquer Rome didn't cross the Alps in a day.
Soooo... Elephants conquered Rome?
Sorry aboot that eh!
Post by: SpikeBolt on Fri, 06 November 2015, 04:50:32
Post by: sth on Fri, 06 November 2015, 05:11:21
Post by: squishygnomes on Fri, 06 November 2015, 05:37:45
Is anyone interested in running a GB for blank pbt alps caps? Is this even possible at the moment -- SP does Alps DS but does anyone know if they can do PBT?
Now might not be the best time for it, Alpine Winter was very recent and had blanks available. You are basically hoping there are enough people who want a fully blank set (AW had limited sizes / rows of blanks) or only use PBT and so didn't buy into AW. There'll also probably be quite a few Alps fans with empty wallets. Alps Party, Alpine Winter and the Monarch are all happening reasonably close to each other, there's gotta be at least a few people who'd be interested but just can't spare the money.
Regardless of that, I'm always down for Alps GBs so if anyone ends up running anything you can count me in for a few sets
Post by: njbair on Fri, 06 November 2015, 06:28:50
Is anyone interested in running a GB for blank pbt alps caps? Is this even possible at the moment -- SP does Alps DS but does anyone know if they can do PBT?Matias is supposedly working on PBT Alps tooling as we speak. I haven't been closely following the discussion because I'm not a big PBT fan but there was news of a recent survey trip to the facility in China and I think Matias said things are progressing slightly behind schedule but looks good so far.
Can anyone fill in the blanks here?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 06 November 2015, 06:48:25
Yeah, a number of pages back, here's the plate imageShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/kZWSmPo.png)
Pie chart... RIP :'(
Is anyone interested in running a GB for blank pbt alps caps? Is this even possible at the moment -- SP does Alps DS but does anyone know if they can do PBT?Matias is supposedly working on PBT Alps tooling as we speak. I haven't been closely following the discussion because I'm not a big PBT fan but there was news of a recent survey trip to the facility in China and I think Matias said things are progressing slightly behind schedule but looks good so far.
Can anyone fill in the blanks here?
(http://i.imgur.com/vAdQ3sf.png)
Post by: ShadeDream on Fri, 06 November 2015, 19:01:57
While not the highest quality or best caps in the world, I have vortex PBT sideprints on both of my current boards and love them, low key is more my preference.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 06 November 2015, 21:06:05
I was in Tulsa today, and things worked out such that the laser cutters had the prototype finished today. So I paid them a little visit. I was able to meet up with the guys that are handling the cutting, shake hands, and approve the workmanship. I was amused meeting with my contact, because I finally put together that the shop is part of a high-end grill company. So while I waited for him to come to the front I could take a look at some of their other culinary oriented creations. Check out the photos:
(http://i.imgur.com/UU8muFd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QOYme3f.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9l3x0lH.jpg)
The edges are nice and clean. I was happy with how they turned out. The close up on the second picture here shows the quality well. The focus there was the small hole for the stabilizer inserts near the bottom of the plate for the spacebar. That edge is only a few mils thick. They were a little worried about it using the laser, and for good reason. The edge near that point is slightly blackened from the localized heating with less area with which to sink. However, there was no warping in that location and the quality of the part is still great.
The finished plates will look slightly less dull as well. The pictures I took were before the plate was sent to the "Timesaver" to polish and grind the steel. The final product will have more luster and a somewhat brushed appearance - like the finish you would see on a high-end grill.
I regret not getting a photo of me shaking hands with my contact though. I wore my Techkeys shirt in case the opportunity arose.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 07 November 2015, 05:57:01
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 07 November 2015, 11:31:34
Post by: Zealousy on Sat, 07 November 2015, 13:05:40
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 07 November 2015, 22:06:19
Post by: E3E on Sun, 08 November 2015, 00:22:10
I'm sorta regretting not getting the blue powder coat now.
Turn that frown upside down! You can always paint it yourself with some metalcast blue anodized paint! It works really well actually, in most cases. Passing that, you can go to a powder coating place and get it coated any color you want! THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!
EDIT: as an example
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/4/4d/IMG_1939.JPG/800px-IMG_1939.JPG)
Post by: digi on Sun, 08 November 2015, 10:54:59
I'm sorta regretting not getting the blue powder coat now.
You won't notice it once you have keycaps on, not to worry.
Post by: sth on Mon, 09 November 2015, 01:59:16
Is anyone interested in running a GB for blank pbt alps caps? Is this even possible at the moment -- SP does Alps DS but does anyone know if they can do PBT?Matias is supposedly working on PBT Alps tooling as we speak. I haven't been closely following the discussion because I'm not a big PBT fan but there was news of a recent survey trip to the facility in China and I think Matias said things are progressing slightly behind schedule but looks good so far.
Can anyone fill in the blanks here?
if it were anyone besides matias i might be interested but i'm sure they'll figure out some way to mess it up. thanks for the info though :)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 09 November 2015, 08:52:55
Unless you are building a sexy HHKB :cool:I'm sorta regretting not getting the blue powder coat now.
You won't notice it once you have keycaps on, not to worry.
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 09 November 2015, 09:55:13
Post by: SJHL on Mon, 09 November 2015, 11:02:49
I'm sorta regretting not getting the blue powder coat now.
Turn that frown upside down! You can always paint it yourself with some metalcast blue anodized paint! It works really well actually, in most cases. Passing that, you can go to a powder coating place and get it coated any color you want! THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!
EDIT: as an exampleShow Image(http://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/4/4d/IMG_1939.JPG/800px-IMG_1939.JPG)
That looks great! Hopefully the color of the plate looks like that.
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 09 November 2015, 14:16:42
Turn that frown upside down! You can always paint it yourself with some metalcast blue anodized paint! It works really well actually, in most cases. Passing that, you can go to a powder coating place and get it coated any color you want! THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!
EDIT: as an example
Look at those switches, the subtle blue sliders, the tasteful tactile feel of it. Oh my god. It even has a
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 09 November 2015, 14:33:02
Turn that frown upside down! You can always paint it yourself with some metalcast blue anodized paint! It works really well actually, in most cases. Passing that, you can go to a powder coating place and get it coated any color you want! THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES!
EDIT: as an example
Look at those switches, the subtle blue sliders, the tasteful tactile feel of it. Oh my god. It even has awatermarkblue plate.
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/pat-bateman-5.gif)
Post by: ctm on Mon, 09 November 2015, 20:49:07
Post by: sean on Tue, 10 November 2015, 09:43:33
Any chance that someone here has an ANSI spare plate that I can buy?
i would if somebody has a HHKB plate that I could buy! :D
Post by: pkircher on Wed, 11 November 2015, 22:50:14
Post by: bubbedi on Thu, 12 November 2015, 06:05:22
I'm very interested if anyone wants to sell an ANSI pcb.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 12 November 2015, 09:25:06
When does another round of these type of group buys usually occur? I am really regretting not getting in on this one. :(
I'm very interested if anyone wants to sell an ANSI pcb.
Whenever (if ever) the organizer wants to. :) Some of these sort of buys are never repeated, but there may be a similar buy that pops up in a half a year or so - no way to predict it unless you're in cahoots with the organizer. :P
Post by: grav3serker on Thu, 12 November 2015, 13:05:39
Post by: trees on Thu, 12 November 2015, 14:37:35
Assembled PCB, Infinity plate, Quiet Clicks, and a Stab set. PM me if interested.
Post by: childofthehorn on Thu, 12 November 2015, 14:42:20
I was a day too late because of some business travel (overall busyness).
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 12 November 2015, 18:51:25
Plates - due to be complete by Nov. 23
PCBs - In the mail from Hasu, not sure on arrival date yet
Switches/Stabs - Scheduled delivery Nov. 16
Time to get excited.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 12 November 2015, 18:57:39
not sure on arrival date yet
god seriously this is just the worst group buy ever
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 12 November 2015, 19:07:44
Updates!
Plates - due to be complete by Nov. 23
PCBs - In the mail from Hasu, not sure on arrival date yet
Switches/Stabs - Scheduled delivery Nov. 16
Time to get excited.
Man this is great news - everything is running so quick!
I can't decide what case is appropriate for it though and I don't have any alps keycaps until alpine winter happens :'(
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 12 November 2015, 19:08:03
not sure on arrival date yet
god seriously this is just the worst group buy ever
With such little complaining in the damn thread it just doesn't feel like a real GB :mad:
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 12 November 2015, 19:13:16
not sure on arrival date yet
god seriously this is just the worst group buy ever
With such little complaining in the damn thread it just doesn't feel like a real GB :mad:
grumble grumble grumble
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 12 November 2015, 19:17:22
Updates!
Plates - due to be complete by Nov. 23
PCBs - In the mail from Hasu, not sure on arrival date yet
Switches/Stabs - Scheduled delivery Nov. 16
Time to get excited.
Happy Canadian!
I'll be even happier when I get it!
Post by: njbair on Thu, 12 November 2015, 19:19:26
Alps people don't complain much because we are used to getting shafted.not sure on arrival date yet
god seriously this is just the worst group buy ever
With such little complaining in the damn thread it just doesn't feel like a real GB :mad:
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 13 November 2015, 01:02:23
Alps people don't complain much because we are used to getting shafted.It's sad but true.
Funny, looks like the cases I ordered before this buy even began will arrive AFTER the parts from this buy do.
Thanks on the timing blue, (probably)sending me alps guts before I even have a case to put them in. Pfft!
Post by: sean on Fri, 13 November 2015, 01:13:49
Alps people don't complain much because we are used to getting shafted.It's sad but true.
Funny, looks like the cases I ordered before this buy even began will arrive AFTER the parts from this buy do.
Thanks on the timing blue, (probably)sending me alps guts before I even have a case to put them in. Pfft!
As a relatively new person to mechs and Alps, how exactly has Alps been shafted in the past? I recall a failed keyset GB but that might just be a false memory.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 13 November 2015, 01:18:06
Alps people don't complain much because we are used to getting shafted.It's sad but true.
Funny, looks like the cases I ordered before this buy even began will arrive AFTER the parts from this buy do.
Thanks on the timing blue, (probably)sending me alps guts before I even have a case to put them in. Pfft!
As a relatively new person to mechs and Alps, how exactly has Alps been shafted in the past? I recall a failed keyset GB but that might just be a false memory.
I think he meant GB's in general, many of which seem to go off the rails in some way or other.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 13 November 2015, 01:59:18
But why did I go to all this effort? Simple. I decided I wanted to do it. Unfortunately, I can't expand on my reasons yet because my secret plans have yet to come to fruition. Needless to say, I think everyone will get a kick out of the Shamalayan-esque twist I have planned.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 13 November 2015, 02:45:47
I don't think Alps has been shafted in the past, it just suffers from slightly lower popularity. You can't make it more popular without pushing something through to make it salient and gain the much needed attention of the community. I was aware of this when I was planning, and that is why I spent so much time early on with the little stupid things that get people excited about the project like photoshop propaganda, artisan giveaways, and so many options that you can't not want at least something. I've talked to CPT about writing up an article for Tactile about the process and pitfalls of making something from left field like this happen. Hopefully it will be useful information for the future of all GB's here.
But why did I go to all this effort? Simple. I decided I wanted to do it. Unfortunately, I can't expand on my reasons yet because my secret plans have yet to come to fruition. Needless to say, I think everyone will get a kick out of the Shamalayan-esque twist I have planned.
Bluenalgene was demik all along?
Post by: hasu on Fri, 13 November 2015, 05:10:26
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 13 November 2015, 05:25:33
I don't think Alps has been shafted in the past, it just suffers from slightly lower popularity. You can't make it more popular without pushing something through to make it salient and gain the much needed attention of the community. I was aware of this when I was planning, and that is why I spent so much time early on with the little stupid things that get people excited about the project like photoshop propaganda, artisan giveaways, and so many options that you can't not want at least something. I've talked to CPT about writing up an article for Tactile about the process and pitfalls of making something from left field like this happen. Hopefully it will be useful information for the future of all GB's here.
But why did I go to all this effort? Simple. I decided I wanted to do it. Unfortunately, I can't expand on my reasons yet because my secret plans have yet to come to fruition. Needless to say, I think everyone will get a kick out of the Shamalayan-esque twist I have planned.
This should be good.
PCBs are just shipped to BlueNalgene with EMS, it will take 4 days accroding to Japan Post estimate.
That's nice and fast.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 13 November 2015, 05:37:48
As a relatively new person to mechs and Alps, how exactly has Alps been shafted in the past? I recall a failed keyset GB but that might just be a false memory.
I just meant we're always forgotten about. There was a failed PMK buy for a full Alps set, it was actually designed by Badwrench. I got my first Alps boards after the fact, just in time to catch the interest check for his modifiers.
I don't think Alps has been shafted in the past, it just suffers from slightly lower popularity. You can't make it more popular without pushing something through to make it salient and gain the much needed attention of the community. I was aware of this when I was planning, and that is why I spent so much time early on with the little stupid things that get people excited about the project like photoshop propaganda, artisan giveaways, and so many options that you can't not want at least something. I've talked to CPT about writing up an article for Tactile about the process and pitfalls of making something from left field like this happen. Hopefully it will be useful information for the future of all GB's here.
But why did I go to all this effort? Simple. I decided I wanted to do it. Unfortunately, I can't expand on my reasons yet because my secret plans have yet to come to fruition. Needless to say, I think everyone will get a kick out of the Shamalayan-esque twist I have planned.
I would love to hear your thoughts about the GB planning process! This was a super ambitious buy.
Bluenalgene was demik all along?
He's actually not a water bottle.
PCBs are just shipped to BlueNalgene with EMS, it will take 4 days accroding to Japan Post estimate.Woot!
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 13 November 2015, 07:26:10
I don't think Alps has been shafted in the past, it just suffers from slightly lower popularity. You can't make it more popular without pushing something through to make it salient and gain the much needed attention of the community. I was aware of this when I was planning, and that is why I spent so much time early on with the little stupid things that get people excited about the project like photoshop propaganda, artisan giveaways, and so many options that you can't not want at least something. I've talked to CPT about writing up an article for Tactile about the process and pitfalls of making something from left field like this happen. Hopefully it will be useful information for the future of all GB's here.
But why did I go to all this effort? Simple. I decided I wanted to do it. Unfortunately, I can't expand on my reasons yet because my secret plans have yet to come to fruition. Needless to say, I think everyone will get a kick out of the Shamalayan-esque twist I have planned.
Oh yea, forgot to say, is this plan like some Elon Musk "I'm building rocket ships not because I want to compete with NASA but because I actually want to colonize Mars" type of thing?
Are you planning to take this keycap set to Mars? Are you actually Elon Musk? If so, I request that you add an Alps keyboard to the Tesla touchscreen.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 13 November 2015, 11:57:16
I originally was going to use my AEK2 plate with original AEK2 caps, and my Dell Winkey-ANSI-don't-make-me-look-up-the-model-number plate with Alpine Winter, but then I realized the AEK2 boards were REALLY hard to get to Europe without taking up a second mortgage, and I don't even have a first mortage. So I ordered some Dolch caps through Massdrop.
So now the thought is to use AW on the AEK2 plate and the Dolch on the Dell plate, and then switch to my original scheme when I get to the US next. Then I can buy a keyboard, dissasemble it in a shady hotel room and take the good parts back home.
But will this work? And is it possible that I've asked before and forgotten...? I'm slightly overworked...
Post by: shoostep on Fri, 13 November 2015, 12:10:31
But why did I go to all this effort? Simple. I decided I wanted to do it. Unfortunately, I can't expand on my reasons yet because my secret plans have yet to come to fruition. Needless to say, I think everyone will get a kick out of the Shamalayan-esque twist I have planned.
So it turned out being cheaper than we expected, it's moving along quickly, and now there is a twist too! This group buy continues to exceed my expectations in every way.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 13 November 2015, 12:12:34
I suddenly have 'will the keys fit'-itis.
I originally was going to use my AEK2 plate with original AEK2 caps, and my Dell Winkey-ANSI-don't-make-me-look-up-the-model-number plate with Alpine Winter, but then I realized the AEK2 boards were REALLY hard to get to Europe without taking up a second mortgage, and I don't even have a first mortage. So I ordered some Dolch caps through Massdrop.
So now the thought is to use AW on the AEK2 plate and the Dolch on the Dell plate, and then switch to my original scheme when I get to the US next. Then I can buy a keyboard, dissasemble it in a shady hotel room and take the good parts back home.
But will this work? And is it possible that I've asked before and forgotten...? I'm slightly overworked...
Don't worry. Standard Dell ANSI will work with the Tai Hao caps from Massdrop (Dolch/Olivetti/WoB). And the Alpine Winter base kit will work on your AEKII board.
I'm actually typing on Tai Hao Dolch right now on my Filco Zero. They're pretty nice caps.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 13 November 2015, 12:44:30
Don't worry. Standard Dell ANSI will work with the Tai Hao caps from Massdrop (Dolch/Olivetti/WoB). And the Alpine Winter base kit will work on your AEKII board.Thanks, now I can relax and wait with no patience ;)
I'm actually typing on Tai Hao Dolch right now on my Filco Zero. They're pretty nice caps.
Post by: sean on Fri, 13 November 2015, 14:32:34
I don't think Alps has been shafted in the past, it just suffers from slightly lower popularity. You can't make it more popular without pushing something through to make it salient and gain the much needed attention of the community. I was aware of this when I was planning, and that is why I spent so much time early on with the little stupid things that get people excited about the project like photoshop propaganda, artisan giveaways, and so many options that you can't not want at least something. I've talked to CPT about writing up an article for Tactile about the process and pitfalls of making something from left field like this happen. Hopefully it will be useful information for the future of all GB's here.
But why did I go to all this effort? Simple. I decided I wanted to do it. Unfortunately, I can't expand on my reasons yet because my secret plans have yet to come to fruition. Needless to say, I think everyone will get a kick out of the Shamalayan-esque twist I have planned.
I was skeptical in the IC process (for reasons that are slipping my mind!), but hats off to you for the way you've handled the GB so far.
As a relatively new person to mechs and Alps, how exactly has Alps been shafted in the past? I recall a failed keyset GB but that might just be a false memory.
I just meant we're always forgotten about. There was a failed PMK buy for a full Alps set, it was actually designed by Badwrench. I got my first Alps boards after the fact, just in time to catch the interest check for his modifiers.
What happened to that gb? Not enough community support? PMK's fault? did the sets ever ship?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 November 2015, 14:33:53
What happened to that gb? Not enough community support? PMK's fault? did the sets ever ship?
Not enough orders to meet MOQ. It happened right around some other popular group buys, and I think people just had money tied up in other stuff.
Post by: Applet on Sat, 14 November 2015, 06:45:15
I ordered a HHKB plate that I could let go to you if you have use for it and are interested. I just ordered it for the opportunity, don't have any current project planned for it. Better that it gets used for something good :) Not sure how it would work transferring the order or if it's to late. Already paid for shipping to Europe...Any chance that someone here has an ANSI spare plate that I can buy?i would if somebody has a HHKB plate that I could buy! :D
Post by: sean on Sat, 14 November 2015, 11:28:52
I ordered a HHKB plate that I could let go to you if you have use for it and are interested. I just ordered it for the opportunity, don't have any current project planned for it. Better that it gets used for something good :) Not sure how it would work transferring the order or if it's to late. Already paid for shipping to Europe...Any chance that someone here has an ANSI spare plate that I can buy?i would if somebody has a HHKB plate that I could buy! :D
I'll pm Blue and see what can be done :D
ctm, still need an ansi plate?
Post by: sean on Sat, 14 November 2015, 12:09:39
I ordered a HHKB plate that I could let go to you if you have use for it and are interested. I just ordered it for the opportunity, don't have any current project planned for it. Better that it gets used for something good :) Not sure how it would work transferring the order or if it's to late. Already paid for shipping to Europe...
Pm'd :thumb:
Post by: ctm on Sat, 14 November 2015, 13:12:59
Is there any left? Which layout in specific? AT101, AT101W, or AEKII ANSI?I ordered a HHKB plate that I could let go to you if you have use for it and are interested. I just ordered it for the opportunity, don't have any current project planned for it. Better that it gets used for something good :) Not sure how it would work transferring the order or if it's to late. Already paid for shipping to Europe...Any chance that someone here has an ANSI spare plate that I can buy?i would if somebody has a HHKB plate that I could buy! :D
I'll pm Blue and see what can be done :D
ctm, still need an ansi plate?
Post by: sean on Sat, 14 November 2015, 15:29:03
Is there any left? Which layout in specific? AT101, AT101W, or AEKII ANSI?I ordered a HHKB plate that I could let go to you if you have use for it and are interested. I just ordered it for the opportunity, don't have any current project planned for it. Better that it gets used for something good :) Not sure how it would work transferring the order or if it's to late. Already paid for shipping to Europe...Any chance that someone here has an ANSI spare plate that I can buy?i would if somebody has a HHKB plate that I could buy! :D
I'll pm Blue and see what can be done :D
ctm, still need an ansi plate?
I can transfer my AT101W plate with a non-stepped caps lock. I can send you a pm when I hear back from Applet.
Post by: ctm on Sat, 14 November 2015, 22:31:47
Great. I would like to get this plate if it becomes available.Is there any left? Which layout in specific? AT101, AT101W, or AEKII ANSI?I ordered a HHKB plate that I could let go to you if you have use for it and are interested. I just ordered it for the opportunity, don't have any current project planned for it. Better that it gets used for something good :) Not sure how it would work transferring the order or if it's to late. Already paid for shipping to Europe...Any chance that someone here has an ANSI spare plate that I can buy?i would if somebody has a HHKB plate that I could buy! :D
I'll pm Blue and see what can be done :D
ctm, still need an ansi plate?
I can transfer my AT101W plate with a non-stepped caps lock. I can send you a pm when I hear back from Applet.
Post by: sean on Sat, 14 November 2015, 23:03:49
Great. I would like to get this plate if it becomes available.
Pm'd
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 15 November 2015, 09:02:50
Post by: grav3serker on Sun, 15 November 2015, 11:03:11
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 16 November 2015, 06:16:56
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 16 November 2015, 07:12:59
Well, time to think about cases. What's everyone getting? I'm out of money, so I'm buying plastic cases from Ali Express, but I've been thinking about getting some custom wood cases made by Ianis once I'm flush again.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 16 November 2015, 08:30:42
Well, time to think about cases. What's everyone getting? I'm out of money, so I'm buying plastic cases from Ali Express, but I've been thinking about getting some custom wood cases made by Ianis once I'm flush again.
Since the GH60s still haven't shipped here in the US, I have plenty of 60% alu cases for my Alps 60% projects.
Hammer... treble318... imsto... TEX... MKC... Pure CNC... Vortex...
Some of them I have multiples of. I have too many 60% cases. :P
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 16 November 2015, 08:31:50
Well, time to think about cases. What's everyone getting? I'm out of money, so I'm buying plastic cases from Ali Express, but I've been thinking about getting some custom wood cases made by Ianis once I'm flush again.
Since the GH60s still haven't shipped here in the US, I have plenty of 60% alu cases for my Alps 60% projects.
Hammer... treble318... imsto... TEX... Pure CNC... Vortex...
Some of them I have multiples of. I have too many 60% cases. :P
Slide a Hammer this way. That case is gorgeous; it got me like :-* :-* :-*
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 16 November 2015, 09:09:39
Post by: njbair on Mon, 16 November 2015, 09:31:48
Eventually I'm going to make a wooden one.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 16 November 2015, 09:33:16
I'm already short on 60% cases. I've looked into a couple of ideas for making my own out of aluminum, but they never took off.
Eventually I'm going to make a wooden one.
inanis makes wooden cases @ SEALwoodworking.com :)
Post by: SJHL on Mon, 16 November 2015, 11:38:53
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 16 November 2015, 11:58:45
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 16 November 2015, 15:24:51
Well, time to think about cases. What's everyone getting? I'm out of money, so I'm buying plastic cases from Ali Express, but I've been thinking about getting some custom wood cases made by Ianis once I'm flush again.
Since the GH60s still haven't shipped here in the US, I have plenty of 60% alu cases for my Alps 60% projects.
Hammer... treble318... imsto... TEX... Pure CNC... Vortex...
Some of them I have multiples of. I have too many 60% cases. :P
Slide a Hammer this way. That case is gorgeous; it got me like :-* :-* :-*
+1 For real :)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 16 November 2015, 15:46:38
Well, time to think about cases. What's everyone getting? I'm out of money, so I'm buying plastic cases from Ali Express, but I've been thinking about getting some custom wood cases made by Ianis once I'm flush again.
Since the GH60s still haven't shipped here in the US, I have plenty of 60% alu cases for my Alps 60% projects.
Hammer... treble318... imsto... TEX... Pure CNC... Vortex...
Some of them I have multiples of. I have too many 60% cases. :P
Slide a Hammer this way. That case is gorgeous; it got me like :-* :-* :-*
+1 For real :)
The things I'd do for a red hammer~ :p :p :p
Post by: SpikeBolt on Mon, 16 November 2015, 17:00:56
I'm going to do a first test making wood cases on a cnc this week, may sell some, but will definitely share the results.
I'm looking for a wood case with the HHKB layout, if you manage to have success drop me a PM!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 16 November 2015, 17:06:11
I'm going to do a first test making wood cases on a cnc this week, may sell some, but will definitely share the results.
I'm looking for a wood case with the HHKB layout, if you manage to have success drop me a PM!
So far I've only made a file for a poker ii case, and haven't even tested that yet :P I will tell you if I make a hhkb case though
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 16 November 2015, 21:00:38
Model M for scale.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 16 November 2015, 21:07:34
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LIJvzlM.jpg)
Model M for scale.
I like your cat.
Also, woo!
//edit: wait... Matias is Canadian?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 16 November 2015, 21:18:07
Post by: sean on Mon, 16 November 2015, 22:22:20
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LIJvzlM.jpg)
Model M for scale.
I like your cat.
Also, woo!
//edit: wait... Matias is Canadian?
The Canadian province of China.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 16 November 2015, 22:43:11
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LIJvzlM.jpg)
Model M for scale.
I like your cat.
Also, woo!
//edit: wait... Matias is Canadian?
The Canadian province of China.
Ah. That makes a lot of sense :p
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 16 November 2015, 23:37:56
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 17 November 2015, 00:12:07
That's a lot of switches.
Pfffft. It's only 10k...
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 17 November 2015, 06:57:53
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LIJvzlM.jpg)
Model M for scale.
Nice hat!
Post by: SpikeBolt on Tue, 17 November 2015, 11:45:19
I wanted to have HHKB style wooden case made but apparently that would be too expensive because of the bottom row coverings :( Such a bummer.
Post by: trees on Wed, 18 November 2015, 15:31:18
I have way to many projects going on right now, and am looking for someone to take over my spot here if possible. I have:
Assembled PCB, Infinity plate, Quiet Clicks, and a Stab set. PM me if interested.
Am i allowed to bump this after a week? If not yell at me and ill delete it.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 18 November 2015, 15:34:50
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 18 November 2015, 16:38:31
Once a week is a pittance. Carry on, trees.
That's fine from our perspective too, if that was in question. :thumb:
Post by: trees on Wed, 18 November 2015, 16:41:35
Once a week is a pittance. Carry on, trees.
Once a week is a pittance. Carry on, trees.
That's fine from our perspective too, if that was in question. :thumb:
Was kinda looking for approval form both, lol. Thanks guys.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 18 November 2015, 17:40:37
Once a week is a pittance. Carry on, trees.Once a week is a pittance. Carry on, trees.
That's fine from our perspective too, if that was in question. :thumb:
Was kinda looking for approval form both, lol. Thanks guys.
Unlike absyrd, I don't have a burning hatred for you. :-*
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 18 November 2015, 17:51:32
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 18 November 2015, 17:59:34
Sooooo You have switches and I'm pretty sure the PCBs are in.... Should I start holding my breath?
PCBs are in the US, but I don't have them yet.
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 18 November 2015, 18:08:21
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 18 November 2015, 18:37:35
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 18 November 2015, 18:53:17
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 18 November 2015, 19:13:00
How far along is the plate fabrication?
Updates!
Plates - due to be complete by Nov. 23
PCBs - In the mail from Hasu, not sure on arrival date yet
Switches/Stabs - Scheduled delivery Nov. 16
Time to get excited.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 18 November 2015, 19:20:24
How far along is the plate fabrication?Updates!
Plates - due to be complete by Nov. 23
PCBs - In the mail from Hasu, not sure on arrival date yet
Switches/Stabs - Scheduled delivery Nov. 16
Time to get excited.
I even read that when it was posted... I'm forgetful.
What was I saying?
Thanks :p
Post by: sean on Wed, 18 November 2015, 19:25:42
How far along is the plate fabrication?Updates!
Plates - due to be complete by Nov. 23
PCBs - In the mail from Hasu, not sure on arrival date yet
Switches/Stabs - Scheduled delivery Nov. 16
Time to get excited.
I even read that when it was posted... I'm forgetful.
What was I saying?
Thanks :p
But why male models?
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 18 November 2015, 21:54:23
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 November 2015, 22:04:54
How far along is the plate fabrication?Updates!
Plates - due to be complete by Nov. 23
PCBs - In the mail from Hasu, not sure on arrival date yet
Switches/Stabs - Scheduled delivery Nov. 16
Time to get excited.
I even read that when it was posted... I'm forgetful.
What was I saying?
Thanks :p
But why male models?
Derek Zoolander: A Model, Idiot
Post by: hasu on Wed, 18 November 2015, 22:09:49
Sooooo You have switches and I'm pretty sure the PCBs are in.... Should I start holding my breath?
PCBs are in the US, but I don't have them yet.
I hope they will arrive safe and sound without USPS harsh handling and customs impose not much on you :D
Post by: U47 on Thu, 19 November 2015, 14:10:26
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 19 November 2015, 14:27:51
Will the plates arrive with the powder coating complete? I'd love to see a pic :D
How far along is the plate fabrication?Updates!
Plates - due to be complete by Nov. 23
PCBs - In the mail from Hasu, not sure on arrival date yet
Switches/Stabs - Scheduled delivery Nov. 16
Time to get excited.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 19 November 2015, 14:33:43
I have had three people message me asking about sending out their orders soon. I am going to send things out as soon as the boxes are full, so if you only have switches, it will be ready to go in the near future. This is primarily because my tiny sports car won't allow me to take too many orders to the post office per trip.
However, I spent 12 hours in lab each of the past two days. So by the time I get home, eat, do necessary things, etc., I'm pretty much spent. I don't expect today to be any different. I know that everyone is super excited about the things, and I swear I'm on it, but please be patient. I will have time this weekend for luxuries like sleep and group buys.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 19 November 2015, 14:43:47
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 19 November 2015, 14:46:52
You can ask the post office to pick up the packages. Might cost a bit, but will be much easier.
A good thought, and it is actually free with the USPS. But it would require me to be at home.
Post by: sean on Thu, 19 November 2015, 14:53:58
Double post:
I have had three people message me asking about sending out their orders soon. I am going to send things out as soon as the boxes are full, so if you only have switches, it will be ready to go in the near future. This is primarily because my tiny sports car won't allow me to take too many orders to the post office per trip.
However, I spent 12 hours in lab each of the past two days. So by the time I get home, eat, do necessary things, etc., I'm pretty much spent. I don't expect today to be any different. I know that everyone is super excited about the things, and I swear I'm on it, but please be patient. I will have time this weekend for luxuries like sleep and group buys.
What this bumbling blue water bottle is trying to say is anybody that whines about the status of their order gets a one week delay per offence :evil-devil-grin:
Edit: Comment milestone!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 19 November 2015, 15:17:49
This is primarily because my tiny sports car won't allow me to take too many orders to the post office per trip.
#JustGBLeaderThings
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 19 November 2015, 15:38:56
my tiny sports car
Ah, so thats what you used the extra money from this buy for.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 19 November 2015, 16:02:18
Post by: sean on Thu, 19 November 2015, 16:14:24
I know there are a lot of Alpine Winter buyers watching this thread, and I would just like to reassure all of you that just like every responsible GB leader, I drive a crossover with lots of cargo space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 19 November 2015, 16:38:50
I'd like to say my car gets more **** than njbair's but it's hard to bone in these leather bucket seats.
I'm sure he needs the space in the crossover anyway. With the 2.5 kids, yoga mats, shopping bags, and family dog, it is difficult to still have enough room for his waning manhood.
(http://i.imgur.com/73uW4.gif)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 November 2015, 16:45:43
At least show us the car now, Blue. You owe us that much.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 19 November 2015, 16:48:09
I know there are a lot of Alpine Winter buyers watching this thread, and I would just like to reassure all of you that just like every responsible GB leader, I drive a crossover with lots of cargo space.
As long as it's not the ugly AF Honda Crosstour.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 November 2015, 16:48:59
I know there are a lot of Alpine Winter buyers watching this thread, and I would just like to reassure all of you that just like every responsible GB leader, I drive a crossover with lots of cargo space.
As long as it's not the ugly AF Honda Crosstour.
+1 abomination
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 19 November 2015, 16:58:49
I know there are a lot of Alpine Winter buyers watching this thread, and I would just like to reassure all of you that just like every responsible GB leader, I drive a crossover with lots of cargo space.
As long as it's not the ugly AF Honda Crosstour.
+1 abomination
Truly this generation's Aztek.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 November 2015, 17:02:20
I know there are a lot of Alpine Winter buyers watching this thread, and I would just like to reassure all of you that just like every responsible GB leader, I drive a crossover with lots of cargo space.
As long as it's not the ugly AF Honda Crosstour.
+1 abomination
Truly this generation's Aztek.
can't even pitch a tent in it tho wtf
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 19 November 2015, 17:19:41
Hahahaha.
At least show us the car now, Blue. You owe us that much.
(http://i.imgur.com/acG4G3l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oZSt1JM.jpg)
2000 Lexus SC-300
Stock exterior
All the original options
I've made some engine updates
I've also did some custom audio mods (everything still looks stock though).
It might be the only one produced with this color combo (cinnabar pearl with a flake clear coat), but I don't have any sources for that. The paint is original.
This is my second SC300 (RIP Gray), for good reason. I love them to death. They are the perfect blend of comfort and muscle.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 19 November 2015, 17:21:16
MoreI know there are a lot of Alpine Winter buyers watching this thread, and I would just like to reassure all of you that just like every responsible GB leader, I drive a crossover with lots of cargo space.
As long as it's not the ugly AF Honda Crosstour.
+1 abomination
Truly this generation's Aztek.
can't even pitch a tent in it tho wtf
Sure you can
(http://i.imgur.com/hulWhJy.gif)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 19 November 2015, 17:52:03
Ugh, I knew I should have just said "two-door".
I'd like to say my car gets more **** than njbair's but it's hard to bone in these leather bucket seats.
I'm sure he needs the space in the crossover anyway. With the 2.5 kids, yoga mats, shopping bags, and family dog, it is difficult to still have enough room for his waning manhood.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/73uW4.gif)
I only have 2 kids and no yoga mats but everything else is correct, especially the part about not having room for my manhood.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 19 November 2015, 19:34:02
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LIJvzlM.jpg)
Model M for scale.
How did I miss this, me gustan, mi amigo
Post by: Sed8op8 on Thu, 19 November 2015, 20:25:25
1x Assembled PCB
1x dell ansi plate
70x matias quiet clicks
With shipping it comes out to $87.00
I'm kind of bummed but need to simmer for a bit :rolleyes: anyways pm me
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 20 November 2015, 11:31:57
PCBs are here! And they came in an adorable little wooden crate.
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 20 November 2015, 11:32:25
:cool:
Post by: Yoe on Fri, 20 November 2015, 12:00:14
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1w9MqXW.jpg)
PCBs are here! And they came in an adorable little wooden crate.
Ooooh! Sooooon! Hype, hype, hype! :)
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 20 November 2015, 13:59:11
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 November 2015, 14:01:42
Its coming together nicely!
What is? My plan for world domination? Yes! YESSSSSS! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh wait, you were talking about this group buy I bet.
I only regret not buying more of the stuffs.
Post by: trees on Fri, 20 November 2015, 14:13:50
Its coming together nicely!
What is? My plan for world domination? Yes! YESSSSSS! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh wait, you were talking about this group buy I bet.
I only regret not buying more of the stuffs.
I know where you can get some more ;)
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 20 November 2015, 14:21:13
I only regret not buying more of the stuffs.
Me too. Really wish I would/could have bought another PCB + Plate.
Post by: SJHL on Fri, 20 November 2015, 15:17:02
Its coming together nicely!
What is? My plan for world domination? Yes! YESSSSSS! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh wait, you were talking about this group buy I bet.
I only regret not buying more of the stuffs.
If your world domination consists of more plates, I'm in!
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 20 November 2015, 16:01:12
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 20 November 2015, 16:13:56
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1w9MqXW.jpg)
PCBs are here! And they came in an adorable little wooden crate.
This square is moving.
Post by: grav3serker on Fri, 20 November 2015, 16:30:13
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 20 November 2015, 16:37:59
Agh! I wish I knew about this when the buy was going on!
Some people are trying to sell their orderes, maybe you can grab one.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 20 November 2015, 21:04:02
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/440/19335195338_36ece31f45_k.jpg)
Custom Alps 60% Keyboard (https://flic.kr/p/vszVWS) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Post by: E3E on Fri, 20 November 2015, 21:08:52
Just seeing that box of PCBs and diodes brings me back to my first hasu alps64 build.Show Image(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/440/19335195338_36ece31f45_k.jpg)
Custom Alps 60% Keyboard (https://flic.kr/p/vszVWS) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Haha, it's pretty classy that you kept the space bar as is.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 20 November 2015, 21:09:10
Just seeing that box of PCBs and diodes brings me back to my first hasu alps64 build.Old pic, I do hope you retrobrighted since then.Show Image(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/440/19335195338_36ece31f45_k.jpg)
Custom Alps 60% Keyboard (https://flic.kr/p/vszVWS) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Post by: njbair on Fri, 20 November 2015, 21:10:54
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 20 November 2015, 21:15:44
That board looks really good in all seriousness though, and the yellow spacebar looks kinda good tbh.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 November 2015, 21:30:46
I've never gotten around to buying the stuff to do retrobright. But I just picked up a Northgate board that is seriously yellowed so maybe it's time I give it a go...
You got your blue Alps?
Post by: njbair on Sat, 21 November 2015, 00:02:57
Well, the switches in the Northgate are white... But someone came through for me in a big way with blue Alps.I've never gotten around to buying the stuff to do retrobright. But I just picked up a Northgate board that is seriously yellowed so maybe it's time I give it a go...
You got your blue Alps?
The whites in the Northgate feel different than my Unitek boards. I might use them in one of my Alps Party builds, but if it cleans up nicely I might keep it as is. That thing's built like a tank.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 21 November 2015, 00:06:03
The Omnikey with its metal housing is definitely tank like. :)
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 21 November 2015, 00:53:07
But someone came through for me in a big way with blue Alps.
Ugh, so jelly. My unsuccessful blue alps search continues.
Post by: E3E on Sat, 21 November 2015, 01:29:03
But someone came through for me in a big way with blue Alps.
Ugh, so jelly. My unsuccessful blue alps search continues.
My advice to ya is try to make connections, either with e-cyclers (cheapest route in the end, but probably requires the most effort), or with people who make hauls from e-cyclers. I scored my first blue alps board from asking users on reddit that I noticed had a blue alps board. Many were attached to their boards, but some actually preferred modern boards over them, and so were willing to sell. Scour the net for leads! Though, I missed a super obvious blue alps board on eBay a little while back. For all the specific searches I had been following, the listing I missed said "blue alps clicky keyboard"lol.
There's no way you'll find a cheap blue alps board online from anyone but the unaware or supremely generous.
I'm also curious to hear what njbair landed.
Post by: sean on Sat, 21 November 2015, 10:33:30
There's no way you'll find a cheap blue alps board online from anyone but the unaware or supremely generous.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 21 November 2015, 10:43:34
In my case it was the latter.There's no way you'll find a cheap blue alps board online from anyone but the unaware or supremely generous.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 21 November 2015, 11:13:30
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 21 November 2015, 12:33:32
Though, I missed a super obvious blue alps board on eBay a little while back. For all the specific searches I had been following, the listing I missed said "blue alps clicky keyboard"lol.
There's no way you'll find a cheap blue alps board online from anyone but the unaware or supremely generous.
I'm also curious to hear what njbair landed.
Was it the one in Bulgaria? That looked super sketchy to me.
Post by: sean on Sat, 21 November 2015, 15:37:02
In my case it was the latter.There's no way you'll find a cheap blue alps board online from anyone but the unaware or supremely generous.
Truer words have never been spoken.
It was the former for me, hehehe
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 21 November 2015, 20:44:41
Just look at that primo product.
(http://i.imgur.com/inng0F2.jpg)
You know, they say you aren't supposed to get high on your own supply, but sometimes you need a little something to keep the buzz going.
(http://i.imgur.com/Nzn9mWr.jpg)
The next step is putting boxes together and making labels. Also, I need to select the winners of the artisan cap giveaway.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 21 November 2015, 21:00:31
I sorted caps tonight. All 9600 are in the bags where they need to go.That's a great pic of you, BlueNalgene, but who's the guy on the right pretending to do lines?
Just look at that primo product.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/inng0F2.jpg)
You know, they say you aren't supposed to get high on your own supply, but sometimes you need a little something to keep the buzz going.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Nzn9mWr.jpg)
The next step is putting boxes together and making labels. Also, I need to select the winners of the artisan cap giveaway.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 21 November 2015, 21:03:38
I sorted caps tonight. All 9600 are in the bags where they need to go.That's a great pic of you, BlueNalgene, but who's the guy on the right pretending to do lines?
Just look at that primo product.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/inng0F2.jpg)
You know, they say you aren't supposed to get high on your own supply, but sometimes you need a little something to keep the buzz going.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Nzn9mWr.jpg)
The next step is putting boxes together and making labels. Also, I need to select the winners of the artisan cap giveaway.
Hades.
Post by: sean on Sat, 21 November 2015, 23:12:06
I sorted caps tonight. All 9600 are in the bags where they need to go.
Just look at that primo product.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/inng0F2.jpg)
You know, they say you aren't supposed to get high on your own supply, but sometimes you need a little something to keep the buzz going.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Nzn9mWr.jpg)
The next step is putting boxes together and making labels. Also, I need to select the winners of the artisan cap giveaway.
You must have gotten to my switches and said "What? Who the hell only orders 10 switches?"
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 21 November 2015, 23:41:48
I sorted caps tonight. All 9600 are in the bags where they need to go.
Just look at that primo product.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/inng0F2.jpg)
You know, they say you aren't supposed to get high on your own supply, but sometimes you need a little something to keep the buzz going.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Nzn9mWr.jpg)
The next step is putting boxes together and making labels. Also, I need to select the winners of the artisan cap giveaway.
Now to find some switches for those "caps"
Post by: E3E on Sat, 21 November 2015, 23:59:20
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 22 November 2015, 01:34:22
I sorted caps tonight. All 9600 are in the bags where they need to go.
Just look at that primo product.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/inng0F2.jpg)
You know, they say you aren't supposed to get high on your own supply, but sometimes you need a little something to keep the buzz going.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Nzn9mWr.jpg)
The next step is putting boxes together and making labels. Also, I need to select the winners of the artisan cap giveaway.
Now to find some switches for those "caps"
All hail Tpyos.
Post by: SpikeBolt on Mon, 23 November 2015, 07:37:19
Would anyone be interested in swapping a HHKB Layout for an Infinity hacker style one?Bump? :(
I wanted to have HHKB style wooden case made but apparently that would be too expensive because of the bottom row coverings :( Such a bummer.
Post by: phosphoric on Mon, 23 November 2015, 11:41:22
Post by: n__dles on Mon, 23 November 2015, 13:05:55
Who said it was still only "3" "Elephants"?Given the amount of detail put into the Hannibal theme, like naming the caps after his family name, I will be *extremely* disappointed if there's not 37 elephants; one cap for each elephant that Hannibal crossed the Alps with.
P.S.
I've taken Sed8op8 order, which you probably already know from her PM.. so, this P.S. is kinda redundant..
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 23 November 2015, 13:31:31
Who said it was still only "3" "Elephants"?Given the amount of detail put into the Hannibal theme, like naming the caps after his family name, I will be *extremely* disappointed if there's not 37 elephants; one cap for each elephant that Hannibal crossed the Alps with.
P.S.
I've taken Sed8op8 order, which you probably already know from her PM.. so, this P.S. is kinda redundant..
Oh how I wish I could have made all 37. The mold broke earlier than I expected though. Some of my other Alps caps have had bubble issues. We shall see how many things actually are worthy to ship.
P.S. Welcome to the buy!
Post by: n__dles on Mon, 23 November 2015, 16:08:14
P.S. Welcome to the buy!Thanks, I've lurked GK for a long time, I finally signed up because of this GB :cool:
At your leisure, which plate did Sed8op8, and by proxy I, get? When she said Dell, I assumed AT101W, but since there's also AT101 and AT102W.. it's all so confusing for a nub :'(
Oh how I wish I could have made all 37.Well that kinda ruins it for me, the authenticity is lost.. not sure if I even want in this GB any more, I'm so confused :'(
Post by: phosphoric on Mon, 23 November 2015, 17:01:18
should fit for either. i think they both have the same keycap spacings, so you should be goldenP.S. Welcome to the buy!Thanks, I've lurked GK for a long time, I finally signed up because of this GB :cool:
At your leisure, which plate did Sed8op8, and by proxy I, get? When she said Dell, I assumed AT101W, but since there's also AT101 and AT102W.. it's all so confusing for a nub :'(
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 23 November 2015, 17:06:39
should fit for either. i think they both have the same keycap spacings, so you should be goldenP.S. Welcome to the buy!Thanks, I've lurked GK for a long time, I finally signed up because of this GB :cool:
At your leisure, which plate did Sed8op8, and by proxy I, get? When she said Dell, I assumed AT101W, but since there's also AT101 and AT102W.. it's all so confusing for a nub :'(
At101w is standard
At101 has non standard bottom row
At102w is iso
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 23 November 2015, 18:01:30
Post by: njbair on Mon, 23 November 2015, 18:07:42
Cap winners soon? :thumb:Don't give in, Blue. Leave it a surprise! #SurpriseAlpsGBArtisanRaffleResults2015
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 23 November 2015, 18:37:56
Cap winners soon? :thumb:Don't give in, Blue. Leave it a surprise! #SurpriseAlpsGBArtisanRaffleResults2015
I suggested just putting caps into random boxes some time ago, Blue veto'd it though.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 23 November 2015, 19:31:03
Cap winners soon? :thumb:Don't give in, Blue. Leave it a surprise! #SurpriseAlpsGBArtisanRaffleResults2015
Yah I think a surprise inside the box is the best way too :D
Post by: n__dles on Mon, 23 November 2015, 20:46:39
Yah I think a surprise inside the box is the best way too :DBlueNalgene was afraid, with good reason, people might think they're a peanut and toss them with the rest of the packaging.
A solution to that is putting a note you see when you open the box that says "YOU A WINNER, HAHAHA!!!."
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 23 November 2015, 21:22:57
Yah I think a surprise inside the box is the best way too :DBlueNalgene was afraid, with good reason, people might think they're a peanut and toss them with the rest of the packaging.
A solution to that is putting a note you see when you open the box that says "YOU A WINNER, HAHAHA!!!."
Or as Luigi would say, "I'M A WEENAH!"
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 23 November 2015, 23:17:09
That is a quote from my brain being frustrated to give everyone an update.
As of right now, I'm thinking it would be possible to make the artisans a surprise for the winners. I think I will tape the bright orange cap containers (pill bottles) to the packing list with a bunch of arrows that point at it and yell at you about winning and not throwing it away. The current count of caps I'm going to send out as part of the giveaway is 4 Barca's. The fourth one is blood red. Those will be the only ones created, as I said before, since the mold was destroyed.
I have also made a limited number of a different artisan cap for those who I wish to thank. There were 6 of these created. Three of these will go to people instrumental in helping me organize this GB - hasu, JDCarpe, and njbair. I know it isn't much and not everyone is interested in artisans, but it is a gesture of thanks by creating something special and unique for those people to do with as they see fit. The mold for these was purposely destroyed so that no others would be cast(also because it was a pain in the ass to work with - I learned my lesson about sprues there). Interestingly, the one person who already owns one of these caps has not, to my knowledge, chosen to share pics of it. One I am keeping (I totally didn't take it to work to put on my Dell and lost it), and the last one I will give to someone when the mood takes me.
As a reminder, these caps aren't the highest quality. My work is still amateurish at best. These are meant as an awesome extra thing to go above and beyond the usual fare.
I know that the dearth of artisans for Alps stems has been mentioned as a turn-off for some. I have two other designs that are carved but not cast. One of those was going to be part of the giveaway, but I have been crazynutjobAnnCoultergoofballs busy lately. So I didn't have as much time to spend making trinkets as I had hoped.
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 23 November 2015, 23:26:11
"Ugh, getting all the mail parts organized is something I was not prepared for. It is taking me forever to sanitize the order data. Why did I let you guys make so many order changes and stabilizer add-ons? I'm too nice."
Truly you were too nice and accommodating with us!
I expect you to make progress and crush us under your gb leader jackboot next time. ;)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 23 November 2015, 23:33:51
Also, go Blue!
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 24 November 2015, 04:02:42
I would love to make my own Alps keycaps. ;)
EDIT: Blimey! Top of the page!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:09:20
the last one I will give to someone when the mood takes me.
/me cozies up to the water bottle and stares longingly in its spout, in the way that only a true lover can
/me woos the bluest of Nalgenes, the truest of group-buyers
:-*
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:21:19
[...]Three of these will go to people instrumental in helping me organize this GB - hasu, JDCarpe, and njbair. I know it isn't much and not everyone is interested in artisans, but it is a gesture of thanks by creating something special and unique for those people to do with as they see fit.[...]
Hooray for people who push Alps forward! :thumb:
Post by: phosphoric on Tue, 24 November 2015, 12:50:09
well... not the first time i've been very, very wrong :))should fit for either. i think they both have the same keycap spacings, so you should be goldenP.S. Welcome to the buy!Thanks, I've lurked GK for a long time, I finally signed up because of this GB :cool:
At your leisure, which plate did Sed8op8, and by proxy I, get? When she said Dell, I assumed AT101W, but since there's also AT101 and AT102W.. it's all so confusing for a nub :'(
At101w is standard
At101 has non standard bottom row
At102w is iso
Post by: digi on Tue, 24 November 2015, 14:48:38
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 24 November 2015, 15:15:58
The plates are cut. I'm not sure when I will be able to pick them up though, the Thanksgiving holiday may mean I have to wait until Monday depending on their hours.
Post by: nickheller on Tue, 24 November 2015, 15:19:29
Y'all need to quit thanking me so early. I still have plenty of time to royally **** up. ;)I have faith in you! :thumb:
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 24 November 2015, 15:20:35
Y'all need to quit thanking me so early. I still have plenty of time to royally **** up. ;)
What could you possib...
The plates are cut. I'm not sure when I will be able to pick them up though, the Thanksgiving holiday may mean I have to wait until Monday depending on their hours.
Oh you lazy, no good ... you're just like all the others! :mad: :'(
i keed. i keed.
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 24 November 2015, 15:28:21
Y'all need to quit thanking me so early. I still have plenty of time to royally **** up. ;)
The plates are cut. I'm not sure when I will be able to pick them up though, the Thanksgiving holiday may mean I have to wait until Monday depending on their hours.
I didn't even buy a plate..... GIVE ME MY SWITCHES!!!!
:p enjoy the holiday, we all have so much to be thankful for, not the least this fun gb.
Post by: sean on Tue, 24 November 2015, 16:48:58
Y'all need to quit thanking me so early. I still have plenty of time to royally **** up. ;)
The plates are cut. I'm not sure when I will be able to pick them up though, the Thanksgiving holiday may mean I have to wait until Monday depending on their hours.
I didn't even buy a plate..... GIVE ME MY SWITCHES!!!!
:p enjoy the holiday, we all have so much to be thankful for, not the least this fun gb.
I shoulda bought more switches for my monarch. Oh well!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 November 2015, 17:53:29
Y'all need to quit thanking me so early. I still have plenty of time to royally **** up. ;)
The plates are cut. I'm not sure when I will be able to pick them up though, the Thanksgiving holiday may mean I have to wait until Monday depending on their hours.
It always starts with "just" a weekend long delay... :rolleyes:
Post by: neverused on Tue, 24 November 2015, 17:58:10
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 November 2015, 18:09:50
Y'all need to quit thanking me so early. I still have plenty of time to royally **** up. ;)
The plates are cut. I'm not sure when I will be able to pick them up though, the Thanksgiving holiday may mean I have to wait until Monday depending on their hours.
It always starts with "just" a weekend long delay... :rolleyes:
Next we'll find out he's not even really a water bottle.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 November 2015, 18:11:10
Y'all need to quit thanking me so early. I still have plenty of time to royally **** up. ;)
The plates are cut. I'm not sure when I will be able to pick them up though, the Thanksgiving holiday may mean I have to wait until Monday depending on their hours.
It always starts with "just" a weekend long delay... :rolleyes:
Next we'll find out he's not even really a water bottle.
There's only so many lies and acts of betrayal that I can handle. That would clearly cross the line.
/me prays that he did in fact give a water bottle hundreds of dollars
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 24 November 2015, 18:55:46
May I ask what sort of trinkets to expect from the whole switch payment thing?
Also, go Blue!
As of right now, there are two things. I have a quote out for stickers to be printed based on the logo in the OP of this thread. My usual guy has a 30 day lead time, so I have requested a quote from someone new that tigersharkdude recommended. The other thing is a 3d printed alps/mx converter I designed. They have been made before: see here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69031.0) and here (http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/cherry-to-alps-adapters-t4934.html). I made my own with some minor differences such as a void in the alps end to save on cost, camfering on the alps end, and a modest base (smaller than nubbinators but actually there compared to MrInterface/Murium's). The status of the printing is: Shapeways is pissing me off today. Seriously, how can only a few of them have loose shells when they are arranged symmetrically. Bull****.
Since the extra switches used to fund these projects are not sold yet, I'm a bit nervous about doing too much else. Everything is currently out of pocket. That is why I planned to donate anything remaining.
edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/B5pduzO.png)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 24 November 2015, 20:55:19
May I ask what sort of trinkets to expect from the whole switch payment thing?
Also, go Blue!
As of right now, there are two things. I have a quote out for stickers to be printed based on the logo in the OP of this thread. My usual guy has a 30 day lead time, so I have requested a quote from someone new that tigersharkdude recommended. The other thing is a 3d printed alps/mx converter I designed. They have been made before: see here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69031.0) and here (http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/cherry-to-alps-adapters-t4934.html). I made my own with some minor differences such as a void in the alps end to save on cost, camfering on the alps end, and a modest base (smaller than nubbinators but actually there compared to MrInterface/Murium's). The status of the printing is: Shapeways is pissing me off today. Seriously, how can only a few of them have loose shells when they are arranged symmetrically. Bull****.
Since the extra switches used to fund these projects are not sold yet, I'm a bit nervous about doing too much else. Everything is currently out of pocket. That is why I planned to donate anything remaining.
edit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/B5pduzO.png)
The whole switch payment still confused me, but these are looking awesome so far!
stickers.
Post by: sean on Tue, 24 November 2015, 21:18:15
May I ask what sort of trinkets to expect from the whole switch payment thing?
Also, go Blue!
As of right now, there are two things. I have a quote out for stickers to be printed based on the logo in the OP of this thread. My usual guy has a 30 day lead time, so I have requested a quote from someone new that tigersharkdude recommended. The other thing is a 3d printed alps/mx converter I designed. They have been made before: see here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69031.0) and here (http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/cherry-to-alps-adapters-t4934.html). I made my own with some minor differences such as a void in the alps end to save on cost, camfering on the alps end, and a modest base (smaller than nubbinators but actually there compared to MrInterface/Murium's). The status of the printing is: Shapeways is pissing me off today. Seriously, how can only a few of them have loose shells when they are arranged symmetrically. Bull****.
Since the extra switches used to fund these projects are not sold yet, I'm a bit nervous about doing too much else. Everything is currently out of pocket. That is why I planned to donate anything remaining.
edit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/B5pduzO.png)
Does anyone know the feasibility of SLA printing something like this?
Post by: phosphoric on Tue, 24 November 2015, 23:19:37
Post by: sean on Tue, 24 November 2015, 23:38:27
my vote is for the converters. they'd be great for artisans ;)
Yeah, they're great... But I haven't seen anybody get these things to play nice with Shapeways.
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 25 November 2015, 00:33:52
Post by: E3E on Wed, 25 November 2015, 02:55:41
kind of regret not adding matias switches, which is an issue because i've already desoldered my aek ii... dang
Can't you just use the switches from your AEK II?
Post by: sth on Wed, 25 November 2015, 03:16:26
kind of regret not adding matias switches, which is an issue because i've already desoldered my aek ii... dang
i have enough matias for a 60%, want?
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 25 November 2015, 08:58:24
yeah, that's what im planning on doing but i kinda want to try the matias hahakind of regret not adding matias switches, which is an issue because i've already desoldered my aek ii... dang
Can't you just use the switches from your AEK II?
no haha. i just wanna know what they feel like and if i should even use them in my buildkind of regret not adding matias switches, which is an issue because i've already desoldered my aek ii... dang
i have enough matias for a 60%, want?
Post by: Yoe on Wed, 25 November 2015, 09:14:18
yeah, that's what im planning on doing but i kinda want to try the matias hahakind of regret not adding matias switches, which is an issue because i've already desoldered my aek ii... dang
Can't you just use the switches from your AEK II?no haha. i just wanna know what they feel like and if i should even use them in my buildkind of regret not adding matias switches, which is an issue because i've already desoldered my aek ii... dang
i have enough matias for a 60%, want?
If the Alps from your AEKII are in good condition, I'd say using Matias switches instead of them is a step down (or to the side at least). The dampened Alps are a bit more noisy than the Matias Silent Click though, if that matters.
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 25 November 2015, 11:07:27
If the Alps from your AEKII are in good condition, I'd say using Matias switches instead of them is a step down (or to the side at least). The dampened Alps are a bit more noisy than the Matias Silent Click though, if that matters.
Agreed. I put Matias Clicks on my round 2 board initially, but they just weren't as nice (to me) as the whites on my AEKII. I thought the Matias were too light and too scratchy. I was much happier with white Alps on it.
On the round 3 boards I am entertaining the idea of Matias linears for the mods though. I figure that since they aren't tactile, I'll like the feel compared to original Alps.
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 25 November 2015, 11:26:19
yeah, that's what im planning on doing but i kinda want to try the matias hahakind of regret not adding matias switches, which is an issue because i've already desoldered my aek ii... dang
Can't you just use the switches from your AEK II?no haha. i just wanna know what they feel like and if i should even use them in my buildkind of regret not adding matias switches, which is an issue because i've already desoldered my aek ii... dang
i have enough matias for a 60%, want?
If the Alps from your AEKII are in good condition, I'd say using Matias switches instead of them is a step down (or to the side at least). The dampened Alps are a bit more noisy than the Matias Silent Click though, if that matters.
really? that's surprising to me, especially considering that everybody bags on cream damped alps. they're an excellent typing experience... i just thought that matias switches might feel better considering the lack of hype behind the aek ii and its switches. regardless, the cream damped are the switches i'm using anywayIf the Alps from your AEKII are in good condition, I'd say using Matias switches instead of them is a step down (or to the side at least). The dampened Alps are a bit more noisy than the Matias Silent Click though, if that matters.
Agreed. I put Matias Clicks on my round 2 board initially, but they just weren't as nice (to me) as the whites on my AEKII. I thought the Matias were too light and too scratchy. I was much happier with white Alps on it.
On the round 3 boards I am entertaining the idea of Matias linears for the mods though. I figure that since they aren't tactile, I'll like the feel compared to original Alps.
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 25 November 2015, 13:47:08
really? that's surprising to me, especially considering that everybody bags on cream damped alps. they're an excellent typing experience... i just thought that matias switches might feel better considering the lack of hype behind the aek ii and its switches. regardless, the cream damped are the switches i'm using anyway
Oh no no no. I loathe damped cream alps. My AEKII at work is the ~1995 Mexican made model with whites. I've left that unmolested, but I picked up some other whites for my round 2 board.
Post by: Yoe on Wed, 25 November 2015, 14:10:46
really? that's surprising to me, especially considering that everybody bags on cream damped alps. they're an excellent typing experience... i just thought that matias switches might feel better considering the lack of hype behind the aek ii and its switches. regardless, the cream damped are the switches i'm using anyway
Oh no no no. I loathe damped cream alps. My AEKII at work is the ~1995 Mexican made model with whites. I've left that unmolested, but I picked up some other whites for my round 2 board.
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 25 November 2015, 15:26:49
haha, good thing i'm one of the people that prefers the cream damped. ah well. this made me significantly happier about choosing not to get matias switches. it was kind of a shame to take apart my aek ii because it was in such good condition, but i figured that i wasn't even going to use it because of it its size anyway, so repurposing into a 60% would make more sense.really? that's surprising to me, especially considering that everybody bags on cream damped alps. they're an excellent typing experience... i just thought that matias switches might feel better considering the lack of hype behind the aek ii and its switches. regardless, the cream damped are the switches i'm using anyway
Oh no no no. I loathe damped cream alps. My AEKII at work is the ~1995 Mexican made model with whites. I've left that unmolested, but I picked up some other whites for my round 2 board.
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
totally jumping from topic to topic here, but does anybody have thoughts on the tex acrylic case on massdrop? i've heard a lot of good things about it but i'm not sure if it would match the aesthetic of the beige aek ii keycaps.
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 25 November 2015, 15:30:49
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 25 November 2015, 15:32:58
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 25 November 2015, 15:41:16
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
I'm messing around with dry lubes for Alps switches at home and the first one I tried was a teflon lubricant and it does some pretty neat things to creams and salmons (especially the salmons). After cleaning and lubricating the creams feel much, much better. I imagine many people who prefer the newer alps probably have used switches that have gotten dusty with age.
I have a few different molybdenum disulfide lubricants with different delivery mediums (primary use is firearms lubrication) that are coming next week so we'll see if those work better or worse with Alps.
Post by: Yoe on Wed, 25 November 2015, 15:47:15
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
I'm messing around with dry lubes for Alps switches at home and the first one I tried was a teflon lubricant and it does some pretty neat things to creams and salmons (especially the salmons). After cleaning and lubricating the creams feel much, much better. I imagine many people who prefer the newer alps probably have used switches that have gotten dusty with age.
I have a few different molybdenum disulfide lubricants with different delivery mediums (primary use is firearms lubrication) that are coming next week so we'll see if those work better or worse with Alps.
Cool! Any particular brand or type of that teflon lubricant I should look for if I wanna try?
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 25 November 2015, 16:01:11
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
I'm messing around with dry lubes for Alps switches at home and the first one I tried was a teflon lubricant and it does some pretty neat things to creams and salmons (especially the salmons). After cleaning and lubricating the creams feel much, much better. I imagine many people who prefer the newer alps probably have used switches that have gotten dusty with age.
I have a few different molybdenum disulfide lubricants with different delivery mediums (primary use is firearms lubrication) that are coming next week so we'll see if those work better or worse with Alps.
Cool! Any particular brand or type of that teflon lubricant I should look for if I wanna try?
The one I'm currently playing with is "DuPont Teflon Non-Stick Dry-Film Lubricant" I'm still messing with the best application method, but i think I'm going to get some needle-point applicators to help get it in the first spots. With the built in nozzle it basically just doused the entire upper housing in lubricant, which is effective, but messy. Definitely wear gloves and don't huff it.
Post by: E3E on Wed, 25 November 2015, 16:21:53
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
I'm messing around with dry lubes for Alps switches at home and the first one I tried was a teflon lubricant and it does some pretty neat things to creams and salmons (especially the salmons). After cleaning and lubricating the creams feel much, much better. I imagine many people who prefer the newer alps probably have used switches that have gotten dusty with age.
I have a few different molybdenum disulfide lubricants with different delivery mediums (primary use is firearms lubrication) that are coming next week so we'll see if those work better or worse with Alps.
Cool! Any particular brand or type of that teflon lubricant I should look for if I wanna try?
The one I'm currently playing with is "DuPont Teflon Non-Stick Dry-Film Lubricant" I'm still messing with the best application method, but i think I'm going to get some needle-point applicators to help get it in the first spots. With the built in nozzle it basically just doused the entire upper housing in lubricant, which is effective, but messy. Definitely wear gloves and don't huff it.
Nubbs praises Molly D as a great lubricant for Alps. I picked up a bottle of the stuff in powder form from an Etsy seller and it is pretty nice! Though, most of my boards feel nicer with just a quick puff of compressed air. None seem bad enough to require lubrication, as I've tested a lubed vs unlubed switch and, to me, I felt no perceivable difference. This coming from someone who does feel differences in lubed vs unlubed MX switches.
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 25 November 2015, 16:35:13
I have one and I think it looks amazing. Someone on the forum here has a picture of their alps64 in one...jumped in on the drop. i totally forgot that somebody had posted that picture before haha
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 25 November 2015, 16:51:42
Nubbs praises Molly D as a great lubricant for Alps. I picked up a bottle of the stuff in powder form from an Etsy seller and it is pretty nice! Though, most of my boards feel nicer with just a quick puff of compressed air. None seem bad enough to require lubrication, as I've tested a lubed vs unlubed switch and, to me, I felt no perceivable difference. This coming from someone who does feel differences in lubed vs unlubed MX switches.
I saw no difference between the lubed and cleaned-only oranges I messed with. But the salmons I have saw huge improvement with a full iso rub down and again with lubricant. The creams was more subtle but the upstroke was much snappier -- it's funny as it was then louder (with an audible click on the upstroke) than either the salmons or oranges. I think some more experimentation will yield a good middle ground.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 25 November 2015, 17:19:40
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
I'm messing around with dry lubes for Alps switches at home and the first one I tried was a teflon lubricant and it does some pretty neat things to creams and salmons (especially the salmons). After cleaning and lubricating the creams feel much, much better. I imagine many people who prefer the newer alps probably have used switches that have gotten dusty with age.
I have a few different molybdenum disulfide lubricants with different delivery mediums (primary use is firearms lubrication) that are coming next week so we'll see if those work better or worse with Alps.
Cool! Any particular brand or type of that teflon lubricant I should look for if I wanna try?
The one I'm currently playing with is "DuPont Teflon Non-Stick Dry-Film Lubricant" I'm still messing with the best application method, but i think I'm going to get some needle-point applicators to help get it in the first spots. With the built in nozzle it basically just doused the entire upper housing in lubricant, which is effective, but messy. Definitely wear gloves and don't huff it.
Nubbs praises Molly D as a great lubricant for Alps. I picked up a bottle of the stuff in powder form from an Etsy seller and it is pretty nice! Though, most of my boards feel nicer with just a quick puff of compressed air. None seem bad enough to require lubrication, as I've tested a lubed vs unlubed switch and, to me, I felt no perceivable difference. This coming from someone who does feel differences in lubed vs unlubed MX switches.
Do you disassemble them then blow them out with air?
Post by: E3E on Wed, 25 November 2015, 19:02:53
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
I'm messing around with dry lubes for Alps switches at home and the first one I tried was a teflon lubricant and it does some pretty neat things to creams and salmons (especially the salmons). After cleaning and lubricating the creams feel much, much better. I imagine many people who prefer the newer alps probably have used switches that have gotten dusty with age.
I have a few different molybdenum disulfide lubricants with different delivery mediums (primary use is firearms lubrication) that are coming next week so we'll see if those work better or worse with Alps.
Cool! Any particular brand or type of that teflon lubricant I should look for if I wanna try?
The one I'm currently playing with is "DuPont Teflon Non-Stick Dry-Film Lubricant" I'm still messing with the best application method, but i think I'm going to get some needle-point applicators to help get it in the first spots. With the built in nozzle it basically just doused the entire upper housing in lubricant, which is effective, but messy. Definitely wear gloves and don't huff it.
Nubbs praises Molly D as a great lubricant for Alps. I picked up a bottle of the stuff in powder form from an Etsy seller and it is pretty nice! Though, most of my boards feel nicer with just a quick puff of compressed air. None seem bad enough to require lubrication, as I've tested a lubed vs unlubed switch and, to me, I felt no perceivable difference. This coming from someone who does feel differences in lubed vs unlubed MX switches.
Do you disassemble them then blow them out with air?
Yep! Nothing more complicated than that; I just make sure that I get everything cleaned well.
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 25 November 2015, 20:23:48
Nubbs praises Molly D as a great lubricant for Alps.could you link me?
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 25 November 2015, 20:31:29
Nubbs praises Molly D as a great lubricant for Alps.could you link me?
Source, me. Molybdenum Disulfide is an awesome lube if, and a strong conditional here, you do not over lubricate. You just want a very very light dusting. Molybdenum Disulfide is actually used in some plastics to lube it and it's not uncommon for people to tumble bullets in it to make cleaning guns easier.
I highly recommend buying it here (https://www.etsy.com/listing/216913086/molybdenum-disulfide-2-ounces-15-micron?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=molybdenum%20disulfide&ref=sr_gallery_1). I got mine from there and it shipped ridiculously quick and was the best price I found anywhere.
Alps do seem to generally be smoother than MX though, so you won't notice a huge difference unless you have really awful messed up stems. A good cleaning and light lubing on dirty stems makes a world of difference.
I wouldn't recommend any kind of wet or grease lube for Alps since they have a more open housing.
Post by: sean on Wed, 25 November 2015, 22:07:23
Nubbs praises Molly D as a great lubricant for Alps.could you link me?
Source, me. Molybdenum Disulfide is an awesome lube if, and a strong conditional here, you do not over lubricate. You just want a very very light dusting. Molybdenum Disulfide is actually used in some plastics to lube it and it's not uncommon for people to tumble bullets in it to make cleaning guns easier.
I highly recommend buying it here (https://www.etsy.com/listing/216913086/molybdenum-disulfide-2-ounces-15-micron?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=molybdenum%20disulfide&ref=sr_gallery_1). I got mine from there and it shipped ridiculously quick and was the best price I found anywhere.
Alps do seem to generally be smoother than MX though, so you won't notice a huge difference unless you have really awful messed up stems. A good cleaning and light lubing on dirty stems makes a world of difference.
I wouldn't recommend any kind of wet or grease lube for Alps since they have a more open housing.
I might just have to pick some of that stuff up and redo my blue alps, thanks :)
Is there any recommended application method?
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 25 November 2015, 22:11:14
thanks! do you happen to know if they'll affect cream damped? i know that jbondeson said something about them... were your cream alps dirty?Nubbs praises Molly D as a great lubricant for Alps.could you link me?
Source, me. Molybdenum Disulfide is an awesome lube if, and a strong conditional here, you do not over lubricate. You just want a very very light dusting. Molybdenum Disulfide is actually used in some plastics to lube it and it's not uncommon for people to tumble bullets in it to make cleaning guns easier.
I highly recommend buying it here (https://www.etsy.com/listing/216913086/molybdenum-disulfide-2-ounces-15-micron?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=molybdenum%20disulfide&ref=sr_gallery_1). I got mine from there and it shipped ridiculously quick and was the best price I found anywhere.
Alps do seem to generally be smoother than MX though, so you won't notice a huge difference unless you have really awful messed up stems. A good cleaning and light lubing on dirty stems makes a world of difference.
I wouldn't recommend any kind of wet or grease lube for Alps since they have a more open housing.
Post by: sakai4eva on Wed, 25 November 2015, 23:33:01
I ordered this thing with the stabs, but I remember seeing somewhere that the infiniti plate will not exactly work with the stabs on offer. Anyone with any idea on how do I fix/workaround this?
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 25 November 2015, 23:38:59
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 25 November 2015, 23:45:36
I highly recommend buying it here (https://www.etsy.com/listing/216913086/molybdenum-disulfide-2-ounces-15-micron?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=molybdenum%20disulfide&ref=sr_gallery_1). I got mine from there and it shipped ridiculously quick and was the best price I found anywhere.
Alps do seem to generally be smoother than MX though, so you won't notice a huge difference unless you have really awful messed up stems. A good cleaning and light lubing on dirty stems makes a world of difference.
I wouldn't recommend any kind of wet or grease lube for Alps since they have a more open housing.
Thanks for the recommendation. I will give this a try on some Salmon ALPS I took out of a dirty M0116.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 November 2015, 23:51:36
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
I'm messing around with dry lubes for Alps switches at home and the first one I tried was a teflon lubricant and it does some pretty neat things to creams and salmons (especially the salmons). After cleaning and lubricating the creams feel much, much better. I imagine many people who prefer the newer alps probably have used switches that have gotten dusty with age.
I have a few different molybdenum disulfide lubricants with different delivery mediums (primary use is firearms lubrication) that are coming next week so we'll see if those work better or worse with Alps.
Just in case anyone was curious, the common lube around here Krytox (also a DuPont product) is a "Teflon" (fluorinated hydrocarbon, Teflon is actually a product name like Kleenex) lubricant as well. It's not a dry lube, and has a different purpose, but I thought you might care to know if you didn't already. :thumb: You're basically using a dry Krytox. :D
Post by: Yoe on Thu, 26 November 2015, 03:00:13
And I prefer the cream over the whites! I guess it's a personal preference thing :)
I'm messing around with dry lubes for Alps switches at home and the first one I tried was a teflon lubricant and it does some pretty neat things to creams and salmons (especially the salmons). After cleaning and lubricating the creams feel much, much better. I imagine many people who prefer the newer alps probably have used switches that have gotten dusty with age.
I have a few different molybdenum disulfide lubricants with different delivery mediums (primary use is firearms lubrication) that are coming next week so we'll see if those work better or worse with Alps.
Cool! Any particular brand or type of that teflon lubricant I should look for if I wanna try?
The one I'm currently playing with is "DuPont Teflon Non-Stick Dry-Film Lubricant" I'm still messing with the best application method, but i think I'm going to get some needle-point applicators to help get it in the first spots. With the built in nozzle it basically just doused the entire upper housing in lubricant, which is effective, but messy. Definitely wear gloves and don't huff it.
Thanks! :thumb:
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 26 November 2015, 19:59:38
Hey, I just have a question...
I ordered this thing with the stabs, but I remember seeing somewhere that the infiniti plate will not exactly work with the stabs on offer. Anyone with any idea on how do I fix/workaround this?
For mine, I plan on bending the wire to adjust for it.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 26 November 2015, 20:04:56
Probably really inexpensive for a custom, but not for me :P
Post by: njbair on Thu, 26 November 2015, 20:06:08
Just totaled up what I spent on this...
Probably really inexpensive for a custom, but not for me :P
Never tell me the price!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 26 November 2015, 20:08:17
Just totaled up what I spent on this...
Probably really inexpensive for a custom, but not for me :P
Never tell me the price!
Now I'm tempted to!
Still need a nice z-case or something though, cheap abs case will not cut it.
Post by: sean on Thu, 26 November 2015, 20:37:27
Just totaled up what I spent on this...
Probably really inexpensive for a custom, but not for me :P
Never tell me the price!
Now I'm tempted to!
Still need a nice z-case or something though, cheap abs case will not cut it.
Anyone know the feasibility of milling your own 60% case? I have an x-carve with a 0.8kw spindle on the way and I guess it would be cool if that was possible :D
Post by: njbair on Thu, 26 November 2015, 20:42:15
I don't know anything about that machine but it's certainly possible in the general sense to mill your own case. I might be trying this to make a couple of simple TEX-style aluminum cases using borrowed time on my former employer's CNC machines. I believe I can source some 1x5x12 6061-T6 bar stock for about $30/ea.Just totaled up what I spent on this...
Probably really inexpensive for a custom, but not for me
Never tell me the price!
Now I'm tempted to!
Still need a nice z-case or something though, cheap abs case will not cut it.
Anyone know the feasibility of milling your own 60% case? I have an x-carve with a 0.8kw spindle on the way and I guess it would be cool if that was possible :D
Post by: n__dles on Thu, 26 November 2015, 21:27:15
I'm sure most of you know, but the TEX Acrylic 60% is on Massdrop for $60 (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case). That's what I'm using for this build :cool:
I believe I read that Matias sells stabs that work on the Dell (and possibly other) layouts. Someone on IRC had mention buying several sets and possibly getting a discount. Potential sub-GB for stabs??
The last detail I need to figure out, for now at least, is dampening. Sorry if it's been mentioned in this thread and I glossed over it :-[ Can we use the same o-rings as we do for Cherry? Or does it depend on your keycaps? I've gone for Tai-Hao if that makes any difference.
Thanks friends :thumb:
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 26 November 2015, 21:36:17
I was considering making my own case out of wood, but I decided against it since I have 0 experience in these sorts of thing.
I'm sure most of you know, but the TEX Acrylic 60% is on Massdrop for $60 (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case). That's what I'm using for this build :cool:
I believe I read that Matias sells stabs that work on the Dell (and possibly other) layouts. Someone on IRC had mention buying several sets and possibly getting a discount. Potential sub-GB for stabs??
The last detail I need to figure out, for now at least, is dampening. Sorry if it's been mentioned in this thread and I glossed over it :-[ Can we use the same o-rings as we do for Cherry? Or does it depend on your keycaps? I've gone for Tai-Hao if that makes any difference.
Thanks friends :thumb:
The matias stab buy was by, of course, Blue, has gone and went, and will be shipped out w/ this gb.
Can't help you with the dampening, I love noisy keyboards, sorry. Even if I didn't, I have no clue. :P
Maybe blue has an extra stab set or something.
Post by: n__dles on Thu, 26 November 2015, 23:01:41
The matias stab buy was by, of course, Blue, has gone and went, and will be shipped out w/ this gb.Ruh-roh, just checked Matias's website and I see switches for sale, but no stabs; same thing on mechanicalkeyboards.com. Oh well, worst case scenario is I have to order 5,10,20 however many sets and wait for Round 3 to sell the extras. I'll wait patiently to see if anyone has extras or knows how to get stabs, and if nada I'll contact Matias.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 26 November 2015, 23:17:24
The matias stab buy was by, of course, Blue, has gone and went, and will be shipped out w/ this gb.Ruh-roh, just checked Matias's website and I see switches for sale, but no stabs; same thing on mechanicalkeyboards.com. Oh well, worst case scenario is I have to order 5,10,20 however many sets and wait for Round 3 to sell the extras. I'll wait patiently to see if anyone has extras or knows how to get stabs, and if nada I'll contact Matias.
Go here http://matias.ca/order/ and scroll to the Matias Alps Keycaps section. At the bottom it says Stabilizer & Hook set. :)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 26 November 2015, 23:18:15
Ruh-roh, just checked Matias's website and I see switches for sale, but no stabs; same thing on mechanicalkeyboards.com. Oh well, worst case scenario is I have to order 5,10,20 however many sets and wait for Round 3 to sell the extras. I'll wait patiently to see if anyone has extras or knows how to get stabs, and if nada I'll contact Matias.
The matias stab buy was by, of course, Blue, has gone and went, and will be shipped out w/ this gb.
Here you go. They're a little hidden, but I knew where to look :)
http://matias.ca/order/#keycaps
Post by: n__dles on Fri, 27 November 2015, 00:48:08
$15 for a few bits of wire!! :eek: Oh well, I'm just happy to be in on this GB, and the total build price is very cheap :thumb:
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 28 November 2015, 00:07:58
Also, don't let me down Blue, this must be here on or before Christmas so that I can put it under a tree and torture myself and eventually give in, tear it open and start soldering.
Post by: ctm on Sat, 28 November 2015, 09:45:55
Somebody suggest what cool things to put on my layout, I'm already adding a safety mode so no one can type on my keyboard (dvorak).Blank caps
Also, don't let me down Blue, this must be here on or before Christmas so that I can put it under a tree and torture myself and eventually give in, tear it open and start soldering.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 28 November 2015, 11:00:07
Somebody suggest what cool things to put on my layout, I'm already adding a safety mode so no one can type on my keyboard (dvorak).Blank caps
Also, don't let me down Blue, this must be here on or before Christmas so that I can put it under a tree and torture myself and eventually give in, tear it open and start soldering.
I meant in the firmware -_-
Post by: ctm on Sat, 28 November 2015, 11:05:16
lol I misunderstood. Some cool firmware things I like are: dual role space/fn, dual role arrow keys on bottom right corner, dual role ctrl/esc at where caps lock usually is.Somebody suggest what cool things to put on my layout, I'm already adding a safety mode so no one can type on my keyboard (dvorak).Blank caps
Also, don't let me down Blue, this must be here on or before Christmas so that I can put it under a tree and torture myself and eventually give in, tear it open and start soldering.
I meant in the firmware -_-
Post by: n__dles on Sat, 28 November 2015, 18:06:24
Are the CAD files for the plates available? :-*
I'm asking for personal use, not to make millions of your designs. I'm happy to sign a NDA!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 28 November 2015, 18:28:10
BlueNalgene,
Are the CAD files for the plates available? :-*
I'm asking for personal use, not to make millions of your designs. I'm happy to sign a NDA!
I recommend asking jdcarpe, as jdcarpe made and owns the rights to the plates.
Post by: neverused on Sat, 28 November 2015, 19:21:24
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 28 November 2015, 21:41:53
BlueNalgene,
Are the CAD files for the plates available? :-*
I'm asking for personal use, not to make millions of your designs. I'm happy to sign a NDA!
I recommend asking jdcarpe, as jdcarpe made and owns the rights to the plates.
Correct. I made modifications to a few of the plates, but the rights are inherited from JDCarpe. Ask him.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 29 November 2015, 16:42:37
....and bowls?
Post by: ika on Wed, 02 December 2015, 00:11:08
I don't know anything about that machine but it's certainly possible in the general sense to mill your own case. I might be trying this to make a couple of simple TEX-style aluminum cases using borrowed time on my former employer's CNC machines. I believe I can source some 1x5x12 6061-T6 bar stock for about $30/ea.
Would be interested in hearing the follow-up to this plan :) so rarely do I get a chance at a local transaction.
Post by: phosphoric on Thu, 03 December 2015, 01:29:42
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 03 December 2015, 01:40:29
i hope the tex acrylic case on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open) reaches moq because i have no clue as to what other case i should use
I'm pretty sure that one doesn't have MOQ
Post by: n__dles on Thu, 03 December 2015, 10:50:57
i hope the tex acrylic case on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open) reaches moq because i have no clue as to what other case i should useMechanicalkeyboards.com has it in stock for $69 shipped (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1410).
I'm not sure if hasu's board will fit in ziptyzes 3d printed case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77564.0), but it looks gr*8 :cool:
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 03 December 2015, 11:13:12
Plates are cut, and switches fit in them.
I just got back from the powder coating place. I went with "signal blue" with a very light clear coat. The color seemed appropriately audacious without being too ugly. I wanted to go with a darker color, but the available options were a little blasé. The coating place took extra care to make sure all of the parts still fit in the holes with the added thickness. I only have had a chance to inspect one plate, but it looked good.
The sticker printer recommended by [person on GH] hasn't returned my requests for a quote. So that may not be happening. My usual sticker printer is backed up for the holidays.
The 3D printed parts are 'in production', and I expect will ship before the end of next week. The usual delivery date for the colored parts is 15 days from order, so the 10th?
I am still working long hours, so this is a terse update and I am stretched for time. I woke up at 4 am this morning with panic/insomnia and taped up some more boxes before going back to bed. I will be out of the country from the 11th until the 20(ish)th. That means my advisor is trying to squeeze as much work out of me before I leave as well. I am REALLY pushing to get all of this done before then. I can't really get through my living room to my door, and the assembled boxes and part bins are taking up literally 1/2 of my apartment. My girlfriend will be coming to live with me for a few weeks when I return, and I need to vacuum so she never finds out that I'm a gross male.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 03 December 2015, 11:19:37
Post by: SJHL on Thu, 03 December 2015, 11:29:18
Updates:
Plates are cut, and switches fit in them.
I just got back from the powder coating place. I went with "signal blue" with a very light clear coat. The color seemed appropriately audacious without being too ugly. I wanted to go with a darker color, but the available options were a little blasé. The coating place took extra care to make sure all of the parts still fit in the holes with the added thickness. I only have had a chance to inspect one plate, but it looked good.
The sticker printer recommended by [person on GH] hasn't returned my requests for a quote. So that may not be happening. My usual sticker printer is backed up for the holidays.
The 3D printed parts are 'in production', and I expect will ship before the end of next week. The usual delivery date for the colored parts is 15 days from order, so the 10th?
I am still working long hours, so this is a terse update and I am stretched for time. I woke up at 4 am this morning with panic/insomnia and taped up some more boxes before going back to bed. I will be out of the country from the 11th until the 20(ish)th. That means my advisor is trying to squeeze as much work out of me before I leave as well. I am REALLY pushing to get all of this done before then. I can't really get through my living room to my door, and the assembled boxes and part bins are taking up literally 1/2 of my apartment. My girlfriend will be coming to live with me for a few weeks when I return, and I need to vacuum so she never finds out that I'm a gross male.
After a quick Google search, Signal Blue doesnt looks so bad - thanks!
Thank you for trying your best but priority is first! (Work and girlfriend)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 03 December 2015, 11:59:51
Updates:
Plates are cut, and switches fit in them.
I just got back from the powder coating place. I went with "signal blue" with a very light clear coat. The color seemed appropriately audacious without being too ugly. I wanted to go with a darker color, but the available options were a little blasé. The coating place took extra care to make sure all of the parts still fit in the holes with the added thickness. I only have had a chance to inspect one plate, but it looked good.
The sticker printer recommended by [person on GH] hasn't returned my requests for a quote. So that may not be happening. My usual sticker printer is backed up for the holidays.
The 3D printed parts are 'in production', and I expect will ship before the end of next week. The usual delivery date for the colored parts is 15 days from order, so the 10th?
I am still working long hours, so this is a terse update and I am stretched for time. I woke up at 4 am this morning with panic/insomnia and taped up some more boxes before going back to bed. I will be out of the country from the 11th until the 20(ish)th. That means my advisor is trying to squeeze as much work out of me before I leave as well. I am REALLY pushing to get all of this done before then. I can't really get through my living room to my door, and the assembled boxes and part bins are taking up literally 1/2 of my apartment. My girlfriend will be coming to live with me for a few weeks when I return, and I need to vacuum so she never finds out that I'm a gross male.
It's too bad about the stickers, but thanks for the update Blue!
Post by: phosphoric on Thu, 03 December 2015, 12:37:26
oh, i was under the impression that massdrop didn't complete a drop if it didn't meet the lowest drop point, but i've been historically wrong about keyboard stuff soi hope the tex acrylic case on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open) reaches moq because i have no clue as to what other case i should use
I'm pretty sure that one doesn't have MOQ
yeah, i was considering this case but idk i haven't seen it up close and i'm concerned that it's gonna look like a cheap, standard 3d-printed case. but i haven't even googled images of the case so yai hope the tex acrylic case on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/tex-acrylic-cnc-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open) reaches moq because i have no clue as to what other case i should useMechanicalkeyboards.com has it in stock for $69 shipped (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1410).
I'm not sure if hasu's board will fit in ziptyzes 3d printed case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77564.0), but it looks gr*8 :cool:
Post by: digi on Thu, 03 December 2015, 12:59:11
Updates:
Plates are cut, and switches fit in them.
I just got back from the powder coating place. I went with "signal blue" with a very light clear coat. The color seemed appropriately audacious without being too ugly. I wanted to go with a darker color, but the available options were a little blasé. The coating place took extra care to make sure all of the parts still fit in the holes with the added thickness. I only have had a chance to inspect one plate, but it looked good.
The sticker printer recommended by [person on GH] hasn't returned my requests for a quote. So that may not be happening. My usual sticker printer is backed up for the holidays.
The 3D printed parts are 'in production', and I expect will ship before the end of next week. The usual delivery date for the colored parts is 15 days from order, so the 10th?
I am still working long hours, so this is a terse update and I am stretched for time. I woke up at 4 am this morning with panic/insomnia and taped up some more boxes before going back to bed. I will be out of the country from the 11th until the 20(ish)th. That means my advisor is trying to squeeze as much work out of me before I leave as well. I am REALLY pushing to get all of this done before then. I can't really get through my living room to my door, and the assembled boxes and part bins are taking up literally 1/2 of my apartment. My girlfriend will be coming to live with me for a few weeks when I return, and I need to vacuum so she never finds out that I'm a gross male.
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/RM7G/you-re-my-boy-blue/image.jpg?w=400&c=1)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 03 December 2015, 14:42:27
Wow.
Post by: n__dles on Thu, 03 December 2015, 15:39:10
Ugh, this GB just gets worse and worse. First there was extra money from the switches (seriously, how ridiculous is that), then there were updates that things were being completed on time (wtf?), and now we hear that we may not even get the stickers that we were maybe going to get??Yeah really, if the biggest problem I have is not getting a sticker, I'll cope.
Wow.
P.S.
PM Hoffman
Post by: phosphoric on Thu, 03 December 2015, 16:10:13
Updates:i can't speak for everybody else, but i'm in no rush :p
Plates are cut, and switches fit in them.
I just got back from the powder coating place. I went with "signal blue" with a very light clear coat. The color seemed appropriately audacious without being too ugly. I wanted to go with a darker color, but the available options were a little blasé. The coating place took extra care to make sure all of the parts still fit in the holes with the added thickness. I only have had a chance to inspect one plate, but it looked good.
The sticker printer recommended by [person on GH] hasn't returned my requests for a quote. So that may not be happening. My usual sticker printer is backed up for the holidays.
The 3D printed parts are 'in production', and I expect will ship before the end of next week. The usual delivery date for the colored parts is 15 days from order, so the 10th?
I am still working long hours, so this is a terse update and I am stretched for time. I woke up at 4 am this morning with panic/insomnia and taped up some more boxes before going back to bed. I will be out of the country from the 11th until the 20(ish)th. That means my advisor is trying to squeeze as much work out of me before I leave as well. I am REALLY pushing to get all of this done before then. I can't really get through my living room to my door, and the assembled boxes and part bins are taking up literally 1/2 of my apartment. My girlfriend will be coming to live with me for a few weeks when I return, and I need to vacuum so she never finds out that I'm a gross male.
take your time blue!
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 03 December 2015, 17:50:08
Ugh, this GB just gets worse and worse. First there was extra money from the switches (seriously, how ridiculous is that), then there were updates that things were being completed on time (wtf?), and now we hear that we may not even get the stickers that we were maybe going to get??
Wow.
Horrible GBs like this are why GH should personally insure everyone for all the GBs that they enter
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:23:21
(http://i.imgur.com/u9wvQyY.jpg)
Look at that picture. Step back and think for a second. That is literally HALF of my apartment space. Now do you see the tiny path of exposed carpet? That is the only way to the door. This GB has consumed my house. I want this **** gone. I want to vacuum. I want to find where that one slice of apple got to which is beginning to smell. I remember how life used to be simple and nice. Then you lot just HAD to FORCE ME to do this GB to satisfy your demented Alps lust. Monsters.
Post by: n__dles on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:34:20
I realize this would add another step & complications, but might be worthwhile to reclaim some space. Just an idea..
Post by: sean on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:35:13
Post by: njbair on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:39:26
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:41:34
I'm glad you folks are so understanding, but I'm very motivated.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u9wvQyY.jpg)
Look at that picture. Step back and think for a second. That is literally HALF of my apartment space. Now do you see the tiny path of exposed carpet? That is the only way to the door. This GB has consumed my house. I want this **** gone. I want to vacuum. I want to find where that one slice of apple got to which is beginning to smell. I remember how life used to be simple and nice. Then you lot just HAD to FORCE ME to do this GB to satisfy your demented Alps lust. Monsters.
When you said "half your apartment" I didn't realize how much space 89 plates, 102 pcbs and 10k switches would take up...
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:50:19
I hope my package is the one with the slice of apple in it.
We discussed silly trinkets, that wasn't exactly what I had in mind. I shall settle for no fewer than TWO apple slices. Pfft!
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 03 December 2015, 20:04:42
I'm glad you folks are so understanding, but I'm very motivated.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u9wvQyY.jpg)
Look at that picture. Step back and think for a second. That is literally HALF of my apartment space. Now do you see the tiny path of exposed carpet? That is the only way to the door. This GB has consumed my house. I want this **** gone. I want to vacuum. I want to find where that one slice of apple got to which is beginning to smell. I remember how life used to be simple and nice. Then you lot just HAD to FORCE ME to do this GB to satisfy your demented Alps lust. Monsters.
hush now you know you like it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 03 December 2015, 23:19:17
I'm glad you folks are so understanding, but I'm very motivated.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u9wvQyY.jpg)
Look at that picture. Step back and think for a second. That is literally HALF of my apartment space. Now do you see the tiny path of exposed carpet? That is the only way to the door. This GB has consumed my house. I want this **** gone. I want to vacuum. I want to find where that one slice of apple got to which is beginning to smell. I remember how life used to be simple and nice. Then you lot just HAD to FORCE ME to do this GB to satisfy your demented Alps lust. Monsters.
I'd do it again. >:D
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 04 December 2015, 00:11:45
Speaking of which Blue, when is round 2?I'm glad you folks are so understanding, but I'm very motivated.I'd do it again. >:DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/u9wvQyY.jpg)
Look at that picture. Step back and think for a second. That is literally HALF of my apartment space. Now do you see the tiny path of exposed carpet? That is the only way to the door. This GB has consumed my house. I want this **** gone. I want to vacuum. I want to find where that one slice of apple got to which is beginning to smell. I remember how life used to be simple and nice. Then you lot just HAD to FORCE ME to do this GB to satisfy your demented Alps lust. Monsters.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 04 December 2015, 00:22:08
Updates:
Plates are cut, and switches fit in them.
I just got back from the powder coating place. I went with "signal blue" with a very light clear coat. The color seemed appropriately audacious without being too ugly. I wanted to go with a darker color, but the available options were a little blasé. The coating place took extra care to make sure all of the parts still fit in the holes with the added thickness. I only have had a chance to inspect one plate, but it looked good.
The sticker printer recommended by [person on GH] hasn't returned my requests for a quote. So that may not be happening. My usual sticker printer is backed up for the holidays.
The 3D printed parts are 'in production', and I expect will ship before the end of next week. The usual delivery date for the colored parts is 15 days from order, so the 10th?
I am still working long hours, so this is a terse update and I am stretched for time. I woke up at 4 am this morning with panic/insomnia and taped up some more boxes before going back to bed. I will be out of the country from the 11th until the 20(ish)th. That means my advisor is trying to squeeze as much work out of me before I leave as well. I am REALLY pushing to get all of this done before then. I can't really get through my living room to my door, and the assembled boxes and part bins are taking up literally 1/2 of my apartment. My girlfriend will be coming to live with me for a few weeks when I return, and I need to vacuum so she never finds out that I'm a gross male.
Thanks for the update Blue. Getting excited to see my plate.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 December 2015, 10:30:17
I'm glad you folks are so understanding, but I'm very motivated.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u9wvQyY.jpg)
Look at that picture. Step back and think for a second. That is literally HALF of my apartment space. Now do you see the tiny path of exposed carpet? That is the only way to the door. This GB has consumed my house. I want this **** gone. I want to vacuum. I want to find where that one slice of apple got to which is beginning to smell. I remember how life used to be simple and nice. Then you lot just HAD to FORCE ME to do this GB to satisfy your demented Alps lust. Monsters.
Does your apartment have two floors? Mine does, but is very unusual for that reason - are we apartment twinsss?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 04 December 2015, 11:45:14
I'm glad you folks are so understanding, but I'm very motivated.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u9wvQyY.jpg)
Look at that picture. Step back and think for a second. That is literally HALF of my apartment space. Now do you see the tiny path of exposed carpet? That is the only way to the door. This GB has consumed my house. I want this **** gone. I want to vacuum. I want to find where that one slice of apple got to which is beginning to smell. I remember how life used to be simple and nice. Then you lot just HAD to FORCE ME to do this GB to satisfy your demented Alps lust. Monsters.
Does your apartment have two floors? Mine does, but is very unusual for that reason - are we apartment twinsss?
It would seem we are. There are tons of two floor apartments in my town. When I was hunting, every single one was lofted, whether it was 0, 1, or 2 bedroom. Mine is technically a 0 bedroom since I don't have a wall separating my bedroom upstairs from the downstairs area, just a railing.
Post by: phosphoric on Fri, 04 December 2015, 13:34:34
I hope my package is the one with the slice of apple in it.
i think the apples would be better than the artisan caps to be honestI hope my package is the one with the slice of apple in it.
We discussed silly trinkets, that wasn't exactly what I had in mind. I shall settle for no fewer than TWO apple slices. Pfft!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 05 December 2015, 18:31:47
i think the apples would be better than the artisan caps to be honest
Ouch. Right in the ego.
I packed some boxes tonight. 17/100 They aren't taped up because I am still waiting on things, so they aren't about to send soon. All the same, I am proud of the accomplishment. Now I'm going to shower all of the sweat off, because doing that with a fever was pretty dumb in hindsight.
Post by: ctm on Sat, 05 December 2015, 18:33:57
Take care, Blue! Thank you so much for your work!i think the apples would be better than the artisan caps to be honest
Ouch. Right in the ego.
I packed some boxes tonight. 17/100 They aren't taped up because I am still waiting on things, so they aren't about to send soon. All the same, I am proud of the accomplishment. Now I'm going to shower all of the sweat off, because doing that with a fever was pretty dumb in hindsight.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 05 December 2015, 18:36:52
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 05 December 2015, 20:35:15
Now I'm going to shower all of the sweat off, because doing that with a fever was pretty dumb in hindsight.
With any luck, we'll get some nice virus buddies in the package with our keyboards!
Maybe this group buy won't be a failure after all. ;)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 05 December 2015, 23:54:04
Now I'm going to shower all of the sweat off, because doing that with a fever was pretty dumb in hindsight.
With any luck, we'll get some nice virus buddies in the package with our keyboards!
Maybe this group buy won't be a failure after all. ;)
****! I don't have an antivirus program!
Post by: phosphoric on Sun, 06 December 2015, 12:54:31
i hope i get some apples in my package.....i think the apples would be better than the artisan caps to be honest
Ouch. Right in the ego.
I packed some boxes tonight. 17/100 They aren't taped up because I am still waiting on things, so they aren't about to send soon. All the same, I am proud of the accomplishment. Now I'm going to shower all of the sweat off, because doing that with a fever was pretty dumb in hindsight.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:07:23
I also took some pictures of the powder coated plates. The first picture was taken with the plate sitting in a blue TeX Al case with flash, and the second picture was taken in a silver TeX Al case without flash. This should give you an idea of the color with some searchable references. The flash/noflash thing was due to some annoying reflection I got while in the silver case that made the color look off.
(http://i.imgur.com/U85HJkm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0UVFUd4.jpg)
Edit: Those aren't TeX cases, they are non-branded ones from a recent Massdrop sale (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case). My mistake.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:20:53
I was feeling a bit better today, so 50/100 orders packed.
I also took some pictures of the powder coated plates. The first picture was taken with the plate sitting in a blue TeX Al case with flash, and the second picture was taken in a silver TeX Al case without flash. This should give you an idea of the color with some searchable references. The flash/noflash thing was due to some annoying reflection I got while in the silver case that made the color look off.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/U85HJkm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0UVFUd4.jpg)
Man that looks great
Not sure whether to get the silver or blue tex case now :D
Post by: njbair on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:30:56
Yes.I was feeling a bit better today, so 50/100 orders packed.
I also took some pictures of the powder coated plates. The first picture was taken with the plate sitting in a blue TeX Al case with flash, and the second picture was taken in a silver TeX Al case without flash. This should give you an idea of the color with some searchable references. The flash/noflash thing was due to some annoying reflection I got while in the silver case that made the color look off.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/U85HJkm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0UVFUd4.jpg)
Man that looks great
Not sure whether to get the silver or blue tex case now :D
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:32:36
Glad you are feeling better, blue-brah.
Post by: E3E on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:36:30
Post by: njbair on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:37:39
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:38:47
This completely different color swatch I found has the approximate density of glitter they did.
(http://wwwlightningcustomscoaterscom.webstarts.com/uploads/bass_boat_green.jpeg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:48:37
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sun, 06 December 2015, 20:37:35
Anything ever come of this? was thinking this or a Z-Case for this buildI don't know anything about that machine but it's certainly possible in the general sense to mill your own case. I might be trying this to make a couple of simple TEX-style aluminum cases using borrowed time on my former employer's CNC machines. I believe I can source some 1x5x12 6061-T6 bar stock for about $30/ea.Just totaled up what I spent on this...
Probably really inexpensive for a custom, but not for me
Never tell me the price!
Now I'm tempted to!
Still need a nice z-case or something though, cheap abs case will not cut it.
Anyone know the feasibility of milling your own 60% case? I have an x-carve with a 0.8kw spindle on the way and I guess it would be cool if that was possible :D
Post by: njbair on Sun, 06 December 2015, 20:52:42
I haven't even pursued it yet. I was thinking about some time in the new year. No promises though. It might be a pipe dream, and I still have no way to get them anodized.Anything ever come of this? was thinking this or a Z-Case for this buildI don't know anything about that machine but it's certainly possible in the general sense to mill your own case. I might be trying this to make a couple of simple TEX-style aluminum cases using borrowed time on my former employer's CNC machines. I believe I can source some 1x5x12 6061-T6 bar stock for about $30/ea.Just totaled up what I spent on this...
Probably really inexpensive for a custom, but not for me
Never tell me the price!
Now I'm tempted to!
Still need a nice z-case or something though, cheap abs case will not cut it.
Anyone know the feasibility of milling your own 60% case? I have an x-carve with a 0.8kw spindle on the way and I guess it would be cool if that was possible :D
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sun, 06 December 2015, 20:58:58
I haven't even pursued it yet. I was thinking about some time in the new year. No promises though. It might be a pipe dream, and I still have no way to get them anodized.Anything ever come of this? was thinking this or a Z-Case for this buildI don't know anything about that machine but it's certainly possible in the general sense to mill your own case. I might be trying this to make a couple of simple TEX-style aluminum cases using borrowed time on my former employer's CNC machines. I believe I can source some 1x5x12 6061-T6 bar stock for about $30/ea.Just totaled up what I spent on this...
Probably really inexpensive for a custom, but not for me
Never tell me the price!
Now I'm tempted to!
Still need a nice z-case or something though, cheap abs case will not cut it.
Anyone know the feasibility of milling your own 60% case? I have an x-carve with a 0.8kw spindle on the way and I guess it would be cool if that was possible :D
No worries! just making sure i didn't miss anything exciting!
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 06 December 2015, 21:32:18
I wouldn't recommend getting the blueTeXcase for the powder coated plates. The cases have shine to them and more of a matte look. It clashes a bit. That is difficult to see in the photo. I actually intended to add metal flakes to the clear coat on the plates, but all that was available didn't look good. The ones I saw looked like they had big chunks of glitter on them rather than the fine powder I had expected. I'm sure those would look good on a large object, such as a car part at a distance, but something like a keyboard not so much.
This completely different color swatch I found has the approximate density of glitter they did.Show Image(http://wwwlightningcustomscoaterscom.webstarts.com/uploads/bass_boat_green.jpeg)
Thanks man!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 06 December 2015, 22:53:23
I was feeling a bit better today, so 50/100 orders packed.
I also took some pictures of the powder coated plates. The first picture was taken with the plate sitting in a blue TeX Al case with flash, and the second picture was taken in a silver TeX Al case without flash. This should give you an idea of the color with some searchable references. The flash/noflash thing was due to some annoying reflection I got while in the silver case that made the color look off.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/U85HJkm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0UVFUd4.jpg)
Edit: Those aren't TeX cases, they are non-branded ones from a recent Massdrop sale (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case). My mistake.
+1 for fast gb speed
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 07 December 2015, 00:35:05
I was feeling a bit better today, so 50/100 orders packed.
I also took some pictures of the powder coated plates. The first picture was taken with the plate sitting in a blue TeX Al case with flash, and the second picture was taken in a silver TeX Al case without flash. This should give you an idea of the color with some searchable references. The flash/noflash thing was due to some annoying reflection I got while in the silver case that made the color look off.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/U85HJkm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0UVFUd4.jpg)
Edit: Those aren't TeX cases, they are non-branded ones from a recent Massdrop sale (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case). My mistake.
Damn these turned out nice. I'm so kickin myself in the ass right now for not getting a powder coated plate.
Post by: SJHL on Mon, 07 December 2015, 01:45:14
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 07 December 2015, 01:54:54
Post by: SJHL on Mon, 07 December 2015, 01:58:16
There seems to be a miscommunication. Packed =! ready to ship. I am still waiting on the 3D printed part. Shipment date is still undetermined. I expect somewhere around the 20th, because I'm a masochist who thinks the post office right before Christmas sounds like fun.
Thats my fault then. I got too excited, hah.
Post by: ika on Mon, 07 December 2015, 02:03:44
There seems to be a miscommunication. Packed =! ready to ship. I am still waiting on the 3D printed part. Shipment date is still undetermined. I expect somewhere around the 20th, because I'm a masochist who thinks the post office right before Christmas sounds like fun.
Hopefully you'll be buying and printing your own labels online and just dropping them off at the post office. I can't imagine the postal worker's pain (and the annoyed death stares of the people in the growing line) if you wanted to ship them all at the PO...
Post by: axtran on Mon, 07 December 2015, 02:45:50
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 07 December 2015, 08:15:29
There seems to be a miscommunication. Packed =! ready to ship. I am still waiting on the 3D printed part. Shipment date is still undetermined. I expect somewhere around the 20th, because I'm a masochist who thinks the post office right before Christmas sounds like fun.
Hopefully you'll be buying and printing your own labels online and just dropping them off at the post office. I can't imagine the postal worker's pain (and the annoyed death stares of the people in the growing line) if you wanted to ship them all at the PO...
Please try to keep the blood on my caps to a minimum.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 07 December 2015, 08:55:12
Dang it, I'm too late! Any leftover plates for those who didn't know that there was an ALPS customs world brewing out there?
There is a plate buy coming up from LeandreN, if you like a pseudo-HHKB layout. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77342.0
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:07:14
There seems to be a miscommunication. Packed =! ready to ship. I am still waiting on the 3D printed part. Shipment date is still undetermined. I expect somewhere around the 20th, because I'm a masochist who thinks the post office right before Christmas sounds like fun.
Hopefully you'll be buying and printing your own labels online and just dropping them off at the post office. I can't imagine the postal worker's pain (and the annoyed death stares of the people in the growing line) if you wanted to ship them all at the PO...
Please try to keep the blood on my caps to a minimum.
I, on the other hand, could use some fresh blood samples. :thumb:
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:34:52
Post by: axtran on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:43:06
Dang it, I'm too late! Any leftover plates for those who didn't know that there was an ALPS customs world brewing out there?
There is a plate buy coming up from LeandreN, if you like a pseudo-HHKB layout. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77342.0
Thanks JD. I'd prefer to just get an AEKII since I'm essentially farming one for all of my build parts, hopefully the LeandreN plates are also compatible (I hear the spacebar is "funky" though).
Post by: E3E on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:56:16
Dang it, I'm too late! Any leftover plates for those who didn't know that there was an ALPS customs world brewing out there?
There is a plate buy coming up from LeandreN, if you like a pseudo-HHKB layout. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77342.0
Thanks JD. I'd prefer to just get an AEKII since I'm essentially farming one for all of my build parts, hopefully the LeandreN plates are also compatible (I hear the spacebar is "funky" though).
I don't think the LeandreN Alps plate will be compatible, as it's 6.25 ANSI. However, all you'd need are some Tai Hao Alps caps and you'd be good to go. :D
Post by: sean on Mon, 07 December 2015, 15:58:01
Dang it, I'm too late! Any leftover plates for those who didn't know that there was an ALPS customs world brewing out there?
There is a plate buy coming up from LeandreN, if you like a pseudo-HHKB layout. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77342.0
Thanks JD. I'd prefer to just get an AEKII since I'm essentially farming one for all of my build parts, hopefully the LeandreN plates are also compatible (I hear the spacebar is "funky" though).
I don't think the LeandreN Alps plate will be compatible, as it's 6.25 ANSI. However, all you'd need are some Tai Hao Alps caps and you'd be good to go. :D
The Tai Hao caps have 6.25u spacebars?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:22:48
The Tai Hao caps have 6.25u spacebars?
Of course. What else would they have?
Post by: sean on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:35:42
Ż\_(ツ)_/ŻThe Tai Hao caps have 6.25u spacebars?
Of course. What else would they have?
Post by: sean on Fri, 11 December 2015, 14:57:05
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 11 December 2015, 15:03:58
I feel like I killed the thread so now I feel responsible for getting the ball rolling again. Anything new to report? Is there anything exceptionally interesting some of you are doing with your GB items? I think my Alps HHKB can be considered interesting, although I have no idea what switches to put in it :\
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
AFAIK, there are only 3 or 4 types of Alps switches in current manufacture. Fukka/Fuhua, XM, Tai Hao, and Matias, right? Why stress about finding vintage switches, which may or may not be nicer or worse than brand new switches? Put those Matias in there and away you go! :D
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 11 December 2015, 15:28:18
I feel like I killed the thread so now I feel responsible for getting the ball rolling again. Anything new to report? Is there anything exceptionally interesting some of you are doing with your GB items? I think my Alps HHKB can be considered interesting, although I have no idea what switches to put in it :\
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
AFAIK, there are only 3 or 4 types of Alps switches in current manufacture. Fukka/Fuhua, XM, Tai Hao, and Matias, right? Why stress about finding vintage switches, which may or may not be nicer or worse than brand new switches? Put those Matias in there and away you go! :D
Why stress about vintage? Because DEM FEELS. :D
Obviously it's all personal preference, but I love the feel of vintage switches far more than the modern variants (mind you, the only moderns I've used were Matias).
Post by: itzmeluigi on Fri, 11 December 2015, 15:48:49
I feel like I killed the thread so now I feel responsible for getting the ball rolling again. Anything new to report? Is there anything exceptionally interesting some of you are doing with your GB items? I think my Alps HHKB can be considered interesting, although I have no idea what switches to put in it :\
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
No clicky or linear? What about SKCM Orange?
Post by: E3E on Fri, 11 December 2015, 15:58:07
I feel like I killed the thread so now I feel responsible for getting the ball rolling again. Anything new to report? Is there anything exceptionally interesting some of you are doing with your GB items? I think my Alps HHKB can be considered interesting, although I have no idea what switches to put in it :\
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
No clicky or linear? What about SKCM Orange?
Yeah, if you're a topre fan, maybe look into an IBM 5140 for its brown tactile alps that are supposedly like topre. I'm honestly not sure about that claim though, but I do hear they are nice.
Post by: MAR82 on Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:06:25
I feel like I killed the thread so now I feel responsible for getting the ball rolling again. Anything new to report? Is there anything exceptionally interesting some of you are doing with your GB items? I think my Alps HHKB can be considered interesting, although I have no idea what switches to put in it :\
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
No clicky or linear? What about SKCM Orange?
Yeah, if you're a topre fan, maybe look into an IBM 5140 for its brown tactile alps that are supposedly like topre. I'm honestly not sure about that claim though, but I do hear they are nice.
For one of my two builds I'm planning on using some SKCM Browns, pulling them from an old Xerox board that I can't really do much else with
Post by: E3E on Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:12:12
I feel like I killed the thread so now I feel responsible for getting the ball rolling again. Anything new to report? Is there anything exceptionally interesting some of you are doing with your GB items? I think my Alps HHKB can be considered interesting, although I have no idea what switches to put in it :\
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
No clicky or linear? What about SKCM Orange?
Yeah, if you're a topre fan, maybe look into an IBM 5140 for its brown tactile alps that are supposedly like topre. I'm honestly not sure about that claim though, but I do hear they are nice.
For one of my two builds I'm planning on using some SKCM Browns, pulling them from an old Xerox board that I can't really do much else with
Thank gawd for the IBM 5140, because otherwise, the SKCM browns would be pretty much as hard to find as SKCL browns and SKCM greens. I thought I recalled old full-size boards having tactile browns, too--looks like you found one. :D
What do you plan on putting in the other build, MAR? :)
Post by: MAR82 on Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:59:11
I feel like I killed the thread so now I feel responsible for getting the ball rolling again. Anything new to report? Is there anything exceptionally interesting some of you are doing with your GB items? I think my Alps HHKB can be considered interesting, although I have no idea what switches to put in it :\
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
No clicky or linear? What about SKCM Orange?
Yeah, if you're a topre fan, maybe look into an IBM 5140 for its brown tactile alps that are supposedly like topre. I'm honestly not sure about that claim though, but I do hear they are nice.
For one of my two builds I'm planning on using some SKCM Browns, pulling them from an old Xerox board that I can't really do much else with
Thank gawd for the IBM 5140, because otherwise, the SKCM browns would be pretty much as hard to find as SKCL browns and SKCM greens. I thought I recalled old full-size boards having tactile browns, too--looks like you found one. :D
What do you plan on putting in the other build, MAR? :)
On the 2nd build I'm going to use some Matias Quiet Clicks
I'm getting the Browns from a board that's almost identical to the board that Nubbinator has
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/xerox-with-tactile-green-alps-t8461.html
I better start desoldering, cleaning and lubing them up
(http://i.imgur.com/DGB19WH.jpg)
The board also has these funky half sized switches too
(http://i.imgur.com/GrV1BOb.jpg)
Post by: sean on Fri, 11 December 2015, 21:45:46
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 12 December 2015, 00:16:04
Post by: sean on Sat, 12 December 2015, 00:47:13
Would you say $80 is too much to pay if one were to find such a board?
Are you talking about a Green SKCM board? I'm actually not sure how much they go for.
Edit: The few that have bought an SKCM green board (AHEM, nubbinator), I'm also interested in knowing the general price range I should be looking at.
Post by: MAR82 on Sat, 12 December 2015, 02:14:55
Post by: E3E on Sat, 12 December 2015, 03:54:33
Would you say $80 is too much to pay if one were to find such a board?
Unless you're getting your board from a recycler or eBay.de (I might be generalizing here, but I keep seeing boards go for less than 10 Euros there), then $80 is a perfectly reasonable price for something if the demand is high enough. If you managed to find a Green SKCM board and really really wanted it, then I think the price could be rationalized.
There was that guy who really wanted to buy an NTC 6151ER with blue alps for $153 + at least $20 shipping, despite having two missing keys and one destroyed switch. Demand can sometimes be VERY localized.
Would you say $80 is too much to pay if one were to find such a board?
Are you talking about a Green SKCM board? I'm actually not sure how much they go for.
Edit: The few that have bought an SKCM green board (AHEM, nubbinator), I'm also interested in knowing the general price range I should be looking at.
I just got an IBM 5140 for around $27 on eBay. I was lucky, because it went mostly under the radar and only one person bid on it. The SKCM browns will blend in well with my SKCL browns haha.
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Did you get yours locally or online?
I agree, and this extends to ANY switch variety, including SKCM blues, but unless you can find a deal at an e-cycler or manage to find someone throwing it away locally who isn't privy to the keyboard community... You're always going to pay more, especially online.
Post by: MAR82 on Sat, 12 December 2015, 04:52:23
Did you get yours locally or online?
I got mine online and locally. Found the guy, online (ebay) and saw he lived 5min from where I work. So I went over and got 5 different boards for 30€ (so I guess I paid 6€ and not 5€ for each).
- Xerox
- Model M (rubber dome)
- Silicon Graphics E02737052 (foam and foil http://imgur.com/a/vTNsE#0)
- Apple EKII
- Sun-2
The guy collects old computers and was selling some keyboards he didn't have the computers that went with them.
I'm also thinking of making an IC on PMKB, that would be based off the keyset from the Xerox
here's a unfinished rough idea (WIP) of what the TKL part would look like
(http://i.imgur.com/2RnTJBw.jpg)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 12 December 2015, 06:55:49
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
Post by: E3E on Sat, 12 December 2015, 06:58:20
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
Yep, you're right. If it's beyond what you want to pay, patience is definitely the key. I've seen people pay insane amounts for blue alps boards while seeing other similar, sometimes even rarer examples in better condition go for a lot less. Patience is key. Sometimes you might also find a generous (or oblivious?) seller like MAR82 has.
Post by: ShadeDream on Sat, 12 December 2015, 20:21:58
I feel like I killed the thread so now I feel responsible for getting the ball rolling again. Anything new to report? Is there anything exceptionally interesting some of you are doing with your GB items? I think my Alps HHKB can be considered interesting, although I have no idea what switches to put in it :\
I don't want clicky, I don't want linear, and I've had a bad experience with salmon Alps so far, but I feel like using matias switches are the easy way out.
I really like orange Alps... but I cant bring myself to harvest from my Apple M0116... I like it too much and use it with old machines... so I've settled on the Matias quiet switches...
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 12 December 2015, 21:59:57
I'm not saying everyone will get one for 5€. But as I said, I think $80 is too much if you're just going to harvest. I think the most I would spend on a harvest board would be $50.Did you get yours locally or online?
I got mine online and locally. Found the guy, online (ebay) and saw he lived 5min from where I work. So I went over and got 5 different boards for 30€ (so I guess I paid 6€ and not 5€ for each).
- Xerox
- Model M (rubber dome)
- Silicon Graphics E02737052 (foam and foil http://imgur.com/a/vTNsE#0)
- Apple EKII
- Sun-2
The guy collects old computers and was selling some keyboards he didn't have the computers that went with them.
I'm also thinking of making an IC on PMKB, that would be based off the keyset from the Xerox
here's a unfinished rough idea (WIP) of what the TKL part would look likeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/2RnTJBw.jpg)
I like the colours
what legends would you go with?
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 12 December 2015, 22:07:31
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
You do have to keep in mind that tactile green Alps are more rare than Taxi Yellow, Blues, Browns, Salmons, and pretty much any other Alps switch out there. $100 is considered a good price for Brown Alps, so $80 would be a great price. I know some might disagree with me, but I was lucky when I stumbled into them and jacobulus is the only other person I know who has a board with them.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 12 December 2015, 23:26:04
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
You do have to keep in mind that tactile green Alps are more rare than Taxi Yellow, Blues, Browns, Salmons, and pretty much any other Alps switch out there. $100 is considered a good price for Brown Alps, so $80 would be a great price. I know some might disagree with me, but I was lucky when I stumbled into them and jacobulus is the only other person I know who has a board with them.
The board I was eyeing, a Sharp X68000, has linear greens, so I guess that makes it less desirable. It is also super super fugly.
Post by: E3E on Sat, 12 December 2015, 23:48:13
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
You do have to keep in mind that tactile green Alps are more rare than Taxi Yellow, Blues, Browns, Salmons, and pretty much any other Alps switch out there. $100 is considered a good price for Brown Alps, so $80 would be a great price. I know some might disagree with me, but I was lucky when I stumbled into them and jacobulus is the only other person I know who has a board with them.
Almost every other switch, except linear browns. They're both unicorn switches when it comes to how often they pop up.
Post by: sean on Sat, 12 December 2015, 23:52:57
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
You do have to keep in mind that tactile green Alps are more rare than Taxi Yellow, Blues, Browns, Salmons, and pretty much any other Alps switch out there. $100 is considered a good price for Brown Alps, so $80 would be a great price. I know some might disagree with me, but I was lucky when I stumbled into them and jacobulus is the only other person I know who has a board with them.
It's going to be pretty hard finding a board for it considering I can't even find information on what boards even came with them. :rolleyes:
Post by: E3E on Sun, 13 December 2015, 00:03:32
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
You do have to keep in mind that tactile green Alps are more rare than Taxi Yellow, Blues, Browns, Salmons, and pretty much any other Alps switch out there. $100 is considered a good price for Brown Alps, so $80 would be a great price. I know some might disagree with me, but I was lucky when I stumbled into them and jacobulus is the only other person I know who has a board with them.
It's going to be pretty hard finding a board for it considering I can't even find information on what boards even came with them. :rolleyes:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60956.0
This is pretty much all we've got documented, it seems. SKCM Greens are more simplified successors to SKCM Brown, so unless you're the kind of guy who prefers salmon Alps to orange Alps, I don't see any other reason to be too concerned over it. :)
Well, unless you just want them because they're rare, hehe. :cool:
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 13 December 2015, 00:06:39
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
You do have to keep in mind that tactile green Alps are more rare than Taxi Yellow, Blues, Browns, Salmons, and pretty much any other Alps switch out there. $100 is considered a good price for Brown Alps, so $80 would be a great price. I know some might disagree with me, but I was lucky when I stumbled into them and jacobulus is the only other person I know who has a board with them.
Almost every other switch, except linear browns. They're both unicorn switches when it comes to how often they pop up.
Browns are easy. IBM 5140. Dime a dozen, but $80-200 for one.
Post by: E3E on Sun, 13 December 2015, 00:09:52
I got my board with the Browns for about 5€. So yeah I would say $80 is way tooooo much if you're just going to harvest the switches
Yeah $80 is a lot, but that is also a currency conversion from Japanese Yen. Still it is a lot. I'm just not sure where else I would find another board like that. I suppose patience is key with these things. I'll keep waiting.
You do have to keep in mind that tactile green Alps are more rare than Taxi Yellow, Blues, Browns, Salmons, and pretty much any other Alps switch out there. $100 is considered a good price for Brown Alps, so $80 would be a great price. I know some might disagree with me, but I was lucky when I stumbled into them and jacobulus is the only other person I know who has a board with them.
Almost every other switch, except linear browns. They're both unicorn switches when it comes to how often they pop up.
Browns are easy. IBM 5140. Dime a dozen, but $80-200 for one.
I said linear Browns, yo. SKCL Brown. Not tactile.
It's going to be pretty hard finding a board for it considering I can't even find information on what boards even came with them. :rolleyes:
Unsurprisingly, it seems that the Xerox Docutech was used for printer systems. If you can find any old print shops that have old equipment, you MIGHT be able to find one there... iiiif it isn't still being used. :P
Post by: sean on Sun, 13 December 2015, 01:57:54
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60956.0
This is pretty much all we've got documented, it seems. SKCM Greens are more simplified successors to SKCM Brown, so unless you're the kind of guy who prefers salmon Alps to orange Alps, I don't see any other reason to be too concerned over it. :)
Well, unless you just want them because they're rare, hehe. :cool:
I may settle for orange or salmon Alps since I'm looking for tactile. Also I'm going to stay away from cream switches since I haven't had a good experience with them. Regardless I'm following some Ebay search terms for greens in case something pops up.
Post by: MAR82 on Sun, 13 December 2015, 07:42:13
MoreI'm not saying everyone will get one for 5€. But as I said, I think $80 is too much if you're just going to harvest. I think the most I would spend on a harvest board would be $50.Did you get yours locally or online?
I got mine online and locally. Found the guy, online (ebay) and saw he lived 5min from where I work. So I went over and got 5 different boards for 30€ (so I guess I paid 6€ and not 5€ for each).
- Xerox
- Model M (rubber dome)
- Silicon Graphics E02737052 (foam and foil http://imgur.com/a/vTNsE#0)
- Apple EKII
- Sun-2
The guy collects old computers and was selling some keyboards he didn't have the computers that went with them.
I'm also thinking of making an IC on PMKB, that would be based off the keyset from the Xerox
here's a unfinished rough idea (WIP) of what the TKL part would look likeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/2RnTJBw.jpg)
I like the colours
what legends would you go with?
I don't want to invade this thread any more with my stuff. So I went ahead and made an IC
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77809.0
Post by: sth on Mon, 14 December 2015, 12:30:10
LEAVE THAT **** TO VINTAGE CHERRY HUNTERS AND CLICK CLACKS PLSSSSS
Post by: sean on Mon, 14 December 2015, 12:56:53
IM LATE BUT PLEASE DONT BRING THE GH-ILL-PAY-ANYTHING-FOR-WHAT-I-WANT ATTITUDE TO ALPS BOARDS
LEAVE THAT **** TO VINTAGE CHERRY HUNTERS AND CLICK CLACKS PLSSSSS
Who's saying that?
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 14 December 2015, 17:01:20
IM LATE BUT PLEASE DONT BRING THE GH-ILL-PAY-ANYTHING-FOR-WHAT-I-WANT ATTITUDE TO ALPS BOARDS
LEAVE THAT **** TO VINTAGE CHERRY HUNTERS AND CLICK CLACKS PLSSSSS
At the going rate of +$1 a switch for blues, that ship may have sailed I'm afraid.
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 15 December 2015, 13:45:33
<snip>The IBM convertible computer (Model 5140) is indeed a great source for Alps fanciers. The main typing area of the keyboard has tactile brown Alps and the half-size F-keys and arrow keys have what I think are linear yellow Alps. Moreover, the switches are topped off with beautiful dye-sublimated PBT keycaps. This keyboard has an embedded numeric keypad, and the keypad keycaps have front-printed numbers in blue.
Browns are easy. IBM 5140. Dime a dozen, but $80-200 for one.
I managed to get one of these keyboards today on eBay for $65 shipped in a rare stroke of good fortune. I've seen the IBM 5140s listed for as much as $495 plus almost $50 for shipping. When I have seen these listings, I have written to the sellers asking if they would be willing to sell only the keyboard (plus I have offered to walk them through the process of disconnecting it without damaging any of the components). Of course, they all say "No". Well, today, one of the sellers agreed to sell only the keyboard, but he went ahead without my instructions and damaged the connector when disconnecting it. Without any prompting from me, he countered with $65 shipped, which I readily accepted. Now it is on its way... Hurrah!
Post by: E3E on Tue, 15 December 2015, 14:07:18
<snip>The IBM convertible computer (Model 5140) is indeed a great source for Alps fanciers. The main typing area of the keyboard has tactile brown Alps and the half-size F-keys and arrow keys have what I think are linear yellow Alps. Moreover, the switches are topped off with beautiful dye-sublimated PBT keycaps. This keyboard has an embedded numeric keypad, and the keypad keycaps have front-printed numbers in blue.
Browns are easy. IBM 5140. Dime a dozen, but $80-200 for one.
I managed to get one of these keyboards today on eBay for $65 shipped in a rare stroke of good fortune. I've seen the IBM 5140s listed for as much as $495 plus almost $50 for shipping. When I have seen these listings, I have written to the sellers asking if they would be willing to sell only the keyboard (plus I have offered to walk them through the process of disconnecting it without damaging any of the components). Of course, they all say "No". Well, today, one of the sellers agreed to sell only the keyboard, but he went ahead without my instructions and damaged the connector when disconnecting it. Without any prompting from me, he countered with $65 shipped, which I readily accepted. Now it is on its way... Hurrah!
Congrats, Hypersphere!
Yep, the caps are likely from the same manufacturer who supplied the PBT and ABS key caps for the AEK I/AEK II, Zenith ZKB-2, Z-150, the NeXT non-ABD boards, the very first versions of the Dell AT101, Leading Edge DC-2014/3014, SGI Granite, some Acer boards, etc etc. In other words, they really are the creme de la creme of Alps caps, at least in my opinion! Whoever manufactured those caps really did a great job and supplied a lot of the big shots.
The smaller keys on the board use SKCL compact as far as I know! Interesting little things. I just recently scored one for $27 (before shipping) that flew under the radar. I also asked the seller to ship only the keyboard component of the computer, and he agreed. Luckily, the PC is already somewhat damaged, so I don't think he's too worried about breaking it. It was going to come with a lot of neat accessorie but with a $50 shipping charge to boot. How exactly DOES one remove the keyboard without damaging the computer? It's likely just a latch right? This might be good to know, just in case the seller runs into any problems. :)
So, whenever that's done, I'll be able to get the board for a pretty damn low price! I'm definitely curious to try these brown tactiles out and see if these really are as good as they seem to be!
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 15 December 2015, 19:28:26
I was feeling a bit better today, so 50/100 orders packed.
I also took some pictures of the powder coated plates. The first picture was taken with the plate sitting in a blue TeX Al case with flash, and the second picture was taken in a silver TeX Al case without flash. This should give you an idea of the color with some searchable references. The flash/noflash thing was due to some annoying reflection I got while in the silver case that made the color look off.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/U85HJkm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0UVFUd4.jpg)
Edit: Those aren't TeX cases, they are non-branded ones from a recent Massdrop sale (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case). My mistake.
Wow, those are beautiful.
Post by: sth on Wed, 16 December 2015, 03:39:21
IM LATE BUT PLEASE DONT BRING THE GH-ILL-PAY-ANYTHING-FOR-WHAT-I-WANT ATTITUDE TO ALPS BOARDS
LEAVE THAT **** TO VINTAGE CHERRY HUNTERS AND CLICK CLACKS PLSSSSS
Who's saying that?
last page
IM LATE BUT PLEASE DONT BRING THE GH-ILL-PAY-ANYTHING-FOR-WHAT-I-WANT ATTITUDE TO ALPS BOARDS
LEAVE THAT **** TO VINTAGE CHERRY HUNTERS AND CLICK CLACKS PLSSSSS
At the going rate of +$1 a switch for blues, that ship may have sailed I'm afraid.
thats why we trade :'(
Post by: E3E on Wed, 16 December 2015, 06:45:02
IM LATE BUT PLEASE DONT BRING THE GH-ILL-PAY-ANYTHING-FOR-WHAT-I-WANT ATTITUDE TO ALPS BOARDS
LEAVE THAT **** TO VINTAGE CHERRY HUNTERS AND CLICK CLACKS PLSSSSS
At the going rate of +$1 a switch for blues, that ship may have sailed I'm afraid.
thats why we trade :'(
Truth. :)
Post by: E3E on Sun, 20 December 2015, 16:14:26
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 20 December 2015, 21:46:57
I have successfully gone to and returned from Canada for my little trip, despite the best efforts of a very grueling customs experience. Since my return, I have organized the rest of the shipment. I ran out of packing peanuts, so there is still some minor filling to do, but that is pretty much done. Monday I will begin the process of stamping and sending the CONUS packages and I will begin filling out the customs forms for the INTL packages.
The add-on trinket I had 3D printed arrived, and the parts work. The fit is tight on some due to the nature of the 3D printing process, but they work. If the extra material proves too tight for the cap you are trying to use, you can always scrape the cruciform with a knife to loosen the fit.
They came in a printed shell to hold the 100 free bits from escaping
(http://i.imgur.com/H4fBXWs.jpg)
And the juicy things were within
(http://i.imgur.com/aNVD3bp.jpg)
The winners of the custom caps have been picked. The method I used to choose the winners was, rolling 2d10 die (one for each digit) gave the number of a row on my spreadsheet. The spreadsheet rows were not in any particular order, and the die have been acceptably random in the past. The winners will be kept a surprise until the package is received. You will know if you have won, because in the ziploc with the 3D printed part there will be a medicine bottle with the cap in it.
The current leftovers which I will be selling off are:
3 stab sets
~1800 quiet click switches
~250 linear switches
~350 click switches
These will be sold first come first serve. Some people have already PM'd me asking for them, and I will be replying to them all tonight. If you buy things now, you avoid extra shipping charges because I can just throw them in with your first box.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 20 December 2015, 22:06:16
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 20 December 2015, 22:11:26
Just 2,500 leftover switches, nbd.
By the look of things, they won't last too long. :thumb:
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 20 December 2015, 22:13:17
Update:
I have successfully gone to and returned from Canada for my little trip, despite the best efforts of a very grueling customs experience. Since my return, I have organized the rest of the shipment. I ran out of packing peanuts, so there is still some minor filling to do, but that is pretty much done. Monday I will begin the process of stamping and sending the CONUS packages and I will begin filling out the customs forms for the INTL packages.
The add-on trinket I had 3D printed arrived, and the parts work. The fit is tight on some due to the nature of the 3D printing process, but they work. If the extra material proves too tight for the cap you are trying to use, you can always scrape the cruciform with a knife to loosen the fit.
They came in a printed shell to hold the 100 free bits from escapingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/H4fBXWs.jpg)
And the juicy things were withinShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/aNVD3bp.jpg)
The winners of the custom caps have been picked. The method I used to choose the winners was, rolling 2d10 die (one for each digit) gave the number of a row on my spreadsheet. The spreadsheet rows were not in any particular order, and the die have been acceptably random in the past. The winners will be kept a surprise until the package is received. You will know if you have won, because in the ziploc with the 3D printed part there will be a medicine bottle with the cap in it.
The current leftovers which I will be selling off are:
3 stab sets
~1800 quiet click switches
~250 linear switches
~350 click switches
These will be sold first come first serve. Some people have already PM'd me asking for them, and I will be replying to them all tonight. If you buy things now, you avoid extra shipping charges because I can just throw them in with your first box.
You were in Canada? You should've walked to my house and given me my stuff! It's the big blue one with white trim!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 20 December 2015, 22:27:16
You were in Canada? You should've walked to my house and given me my stuff! It's the big blue one with white trim!
Sorry eh. I was in MB not BC. With 20cm of snow in one day, all the houses had the white trim.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 20 December 2015, 22:32:54
You were in Canada? You should've walked to my house and given me my stuff! It's the big blue one with white trim!
Sorry eh. I was in MB not BC. With 20cm of snow in one day, all the houses had the white trim.
I see what you did there.
Post by: phosphoric on Mon, 21 December 2015, 10:55:07
Update:these trinkets make me horny and i'm not sure how to feel about that
I have successfully gone to and returned from Canada for my little trip, despite the best efforts of a very grueling customs experience. Since my return, I have organized the rest of the shipment. I ran out of packing peanuts, so there is still some minor filling to do, but that is pretty much done. Monday I will begin the process of stamping and sending the CONUS packages and I will begin filling out the customs forms for the INTL packages.
The add-on trinket I had 3D printed arrived, and the parts work. The fit is tight on some due to the nature of the 3D printing process, but they work. If the extra material proves too tight for the cap you are trying to use, you can always scrape the cruciform with a knife to loosen the fit.
They came in a printed shell to hold the 100 free bits from escapingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/H4fBXWs.jpg)
And the juicy things were withinShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/aNVD3bp.jpg)
The winners of the custom caps have been picked. The method I used to choose the winners was, rolling 2d10 die (one for each digit) gave the number of a row on my spreadsheet. The spreadsheet rows were not in any particular order, and the die have been acceptably random in the past. The winners will be kept a surprise until the package is received. You will know if you have won, because in the ziploc with the 3D printed part there will be a medicine bottle with the cap in it.
The current leftovers which I will be selling off are:
3 stab sets
~1800 quiet click switches
~250 linear switches
~350 click switches
These will be sold first come first serve. Some people have already PM'd me asking for them, and I will be replying to them all tonight. If you buy things now, you avoid extra shipping charges because I can just throw them in with your first box.
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 21 December 2015, 11:16:16
Update:
I have successfully gone to and returned from Canada for my little trip, despite the best efforts of a very grueling customs experience. Since my return, I have organized the rest of the shipment. I ran out of packing peanuts, so there is still some minor filling to do, but that is pretty much done. Monday I will begin the process of stamping and sending the CONUS packages and I will begin filling out the customs forms for the INTL packages.
The add-on trinket I had 3D printed arrived, and the parts work. The fit is tight on some due to the nature of the 3D printing process, but they work. If the extra material proves too tight for the cap you are trying to use, you can always scrape the cruciform with a knife to loosen the fit.
They came in a printed shell to hold the 100 free bits from escapingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/H4fBXWs.jpg)
And the juicy things were withinShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/aNVD3bp.jpg)
The winners of the custom caps have been picked. The method I used to choose the winners was, rolling 2d10 die (one for each digit) gave the number of a row on my spreadsheet. The spreadsheet rows were not in any particular order, and the die have been acceptably random in the past. The winners will be kept a surprise until the package is received. You will know if you have won, because in the ziploc with the 3D printed part there will be a medicine bottle with the cap in it.
The current leftovers which I will be selling off are:
3 stab sets
~1800 quiet click switches
~250 linear switches
~350 click switches
These will be sold first come first serve. Some people have already PM'd me asking for them, and I will be replying to them all tonight. If you buy things now, you avoid extra shipping charges because I can just throw them in with your first box.
We demanded 'silly' trinkets, not awesome and practical ones.
Worst. GB. Ever.
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 21 December 2015, 12:03:22
Post by: phosphoric on Mon, 21 December 2015, 13:37:21
Are those stabiliser inserts? They look far too huge...they're meant to be alps-mx adapters so you can fit your mx keycaps on your alps switch
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 21 December 2015, 13:38:11
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 21 December 2015, 17:56:43
Mailing has begun. 12/100 have been shipped. I'm going to work on the rest now.
The extras are selling quickly. Stocks are at:
1 stab set
53 linear
130 click
~850 quiet click switches
If you are interested in the extras and combining the shipment, you should order TODAY. I'm getting this **** in the mail.
Post by: SJHL on Mon, 21 December 2015, 18:25:16
Post by: njbair on Mon, 21 December 2015, 19:12:56
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 21 December 2015, 19:13:53
Post by: njbair on Mon, 21 December 2015, 19:17:37
Great to hear this is shipping, I really need to pick up some cases though :)I'm right there with you. I have no idea what cases in going to use for these things. I have a black TEX alu case that's holding an Infinity right now. I'll probably get rid of the Infinity and use that case for an Alps build. I also have a TEX clear acrylic case but that doesn't look very good...
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 21 December 2015, 19:19:16
I had a black TEX alu case, but I sold it. Now I feel pretty silly since I could of used it for one of these boards. You can buy them directly from TEX though, so I may try and get another one of the black ones for my aekii layout board, and maybe a blue one for my infinity that will use Alpine Winter. We'll see!Great to hear this is shipping, I really need to pick up some cases though :)I'm right there with you. I have no idea what cases in going to use for these things. I have a black TEX alu case that's holding an Infinity right now. I'll probably get rid of the Infinity and use that case for an Alps build. I also have a TEX clear acrylic case but that doesn't look very good...
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 21 December 2015, 20:47:12
Quick update:
Mailing has begun. 12/100 have been shipped. I'm going to work on the rest now.
The extras are selling quickly. Stocks are at:
1 stab set
53 linear
130 click
~850 quiet click switches
If you are interested in the extras and combining the shipment, you should order TODAY. I'm getting this **** in the mail.
Was mine one of those 12? What? Int'l isn't shipping today? Awww....
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 21 December 2015, 22:50:48
Post by: hasu on Mon, 21 December 2015, 23:04:29
I'm not saying everyone will get one for 5€. But as I said, I think $80 is too much if you're just going to harvest. I think the most I would spend on a harvest board would be $50.Did you get yours locally or online?
I got mine online and locally. Found the guy, online (ebay) and saw he lived 5min from where I work. So I went over and got 5 different boards for 30€ (so I guess I paid 6€ and not 5€ for each).
- Xerox
- Model M (rubber dome)
- Silicon Graphics E02737052 (foam and foil http://imgur.com/a/vTNsE#0)
- Apple EKII
- Sun-2
The guy collects old computers and was selling some keyboards he didn't have the computers that went with them.
Great deal! it looks to me like robbing :D
Did you post pics of Sun-2 somewhere?
Post by: MAR82 on Tue, 22 December 2015, 00:15:34
I really should have another look at it!
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 22 December 2015, 01:26:36
Quick update:
Mailing has begun. 12/100 have been shipped. I'm going to work on the rest now.
The extras are selling quickly. Stocks are at:
1 stab set
53 linear
130 click
~850 quiet click switches
If you are interested in the extras and combining the shipment, you should order TODAY. I'm getting this **** in the mail.
Getting close. Still trying to decide which color SKCM switches I'm going to use. I'll probably go with the Orange's I have already available.
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 22 December 2015, 05:56:15
Post by: Zealousy on Tue, 22 December 2015, 11:50:17
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 22 December 2015, 15:11:41
You're my boy, Blue :thumb:
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 23 December 2015, 19:59:57
Post by: koalapear on Thu, 24 December 2015, 15:03:04
Post by: Tyr on Thu, 24 December 2015, 19:01:03
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 24 December 2015, 21:12:37
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 25 December 2015, 22:21:18
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 25 December 2015, 22:32:17
It's going to be delayed due to holiday shipping congestion tho.
Post by: Geroximo on Sat, 26 December 2015, 09:41:51
Post by: mgcross on Sat, 26 December 2015, 19:03:41
Post by: SJHL on Mon, 28 December 2015, 10:35:54
After driving back home, I noticed a package that was waiting for me. Not only the plate was inside, I also got one of the elephant (Drunken Delirium?) artisan! Def woke me up in the morning. Went to work a little late just to assemble everything. Priorities first, right? :p
(http://i.imgur.com/wOmc2k8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aQVhNL0.jpg)
Happy Holidays, everyone!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 28 December 2015, 10:45:11
Thank you again for your hard work!
After driving back home, I noticed a package that was waiting for me. Not only the plate was inside, I also got one of the elephant (Drunken Delirium?) artisan! Def woke me up in the morning. Went to work a little late just to assemble everything. Priorities first, right? :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/wOmc2k8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aQVhNL0.jpg)
Happy Holidays, everyone!
Blue plate is blue! :eek:
Can't wait for he lazy postal workers to get back into gear and bring me my loot :p
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 28 December 2015, 13:12:56
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 28 December 2015, 14:50:07
So 12 of the packages were sent out before Christmas, but only the 12 smallest ones because the line at the post office was literally an hour and a half long. While I was there I picked up the rest of the supplies I would need to send the rest. The remainder of the CONUS packages now have stamps and will be picked up tomorrow(?) to be sent. I'm 1/4 of the way through the INTL customs forms and had to stop last night due to cramping hands. I hope to have them finished today to be mailed with the rest of the packages tomorrow. Note that the weather here isn't wonderful. There is ice on the roads and it is currently snowing. Being a southern state, we don't have much in the way of ice prevention infrastructure, so delays are possible. Tracking numbers will be provided asap.
I'm super excited to see the test 12 arriving correctly. I already encountered my first mistake, but it appears to have taken care of itself. Post more pictures of those builds folks.
SJHL, your Barca cap is "Supple Skin". Drunken Delirium is the pink elephant, and Sick Slime is greenish. There is also a red one out there I'm calling Bloodlust.
I will have pics of my builds, as well as the Shyamalan twist, soon. Sending the rest of the packages has priority. Plus, not having Alpine Winter out yet softens the blow (blame njbair).
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 28 December 2015, 14:56:13
Post by: braidn on Mon, 28 December 2015, 14:59:45
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 28 December 2015, 15:07:23
Stay safe on those icy roads!
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 28 December 2015, 15:23:00
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 December 2015, 01:07:36
Updates:
So 12 of the packages were sent out before Christmas, but only the 12 smallest ones because the line at the post office was literally an hour and a half long. While I was there I picked up the rest of the supplies I would need to send the rest. The remainder of the CONUS packages now have stamps and will be picked up tomorrow(?) to be sent. I'm 1/4 of the way through the INTL customs forms and had to stop last night due to cramping hands. I hope to have them finished today to be mailed with the rest of the packages tomorrow. Note that the weather here isn't wonderful. There is ice on the roads and it is currently snowing. Being a southern state, we don't have much in the way of ice prevention infrastructure, so delays are possible. Tracking numbers will be provided asap.
I'm super excited to see the test 12 arriving correctly. I already encountered my first mistake, but it appears to have taken care of itself. Post more pictures of those builds folks.
SJHL, your Barca cap is "Supple Skin". Drunken Delirium is the pink elephant, and Sick Slime is greenish. There is also a red one out there I'm calling Bloodlust.
I will have pics of my builds, as well as the Shyamalan twist, soon. Sending the rest of the packages has priority. Plus, not having Alpine Winter out yet softens the blow (blame njbair).
Thanks for the update dude
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 29 December 2015, 12:56:56
Post by: Tyr on Tue, 29 December 2015, 13:18:45
Tracking numbers have been sent to everyone excluding those who have otherwise been contacted. Check your spam folder if you can't find it.
Does that include international orders because I can't find anything ? (aka Senkin on r/mk, invoice nr 0081 if that helps)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 December 2015, 13:31:41
Tracking numbers have been sent to everyone excluding those who have otherwise been contacted. Check your spam folder if you can't find it.
Hmmm, I didn't see anything in my inbox or spam. :(
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 29 December 2015, 13:33:24
Tracking numbers have been sent to everyone excluding those who have otherwise been contacted. Check your spam folder if you can't find it.
Hmmm, I didn't see anything in my inbox or spam. :(
Same here.
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 29 December 2015, 14:32:57
Tracking numbers have been sent to everyone excluding those who have otherwise been contacted. Check your spam folder if you can't find it.
Hmmm, I didn't see anything in my inbox or spam. :(
Same here.
And my axe.
Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 29 December 2015, 15:03:03
(http://i.imgur.com/Mqt4sgo.jpg)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 29 December 2015, 15:31:16
The postman came this morning at his usual time to pick up the packages. After his eyes returned to a normal size from the sheer volume of what I asked him to take, he said he would come back after his route. And just now, we got done loading up the truck. They are all on the way!
got mine yesterday!!
You also have some switches coming that I haven't mailed yet. I had already sent the plate/pcb when you added them on. I'll send a package in the next group.
Post by: braidn on Tue, 29 December 2015, 20:51:34
got mine yesterday!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Mqt4sgo.jpg)
Hmm the diodes don't come pre soldered? No biggie but thought that was the case. Cool though
Post by: jevvix on Tue, 29 December 2015, 20:59:53
Tracking numbers have been sent to everyone excluding those who have otherwise been contacted. Check your spam folder if you can't find it.
Nothing here.
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 December 2015, 21:21:12
Nope, diodes didn't come presoldered on the previous rounds, either. I chose to purchase some surface mount diodes to install, instead of the through hole versions provided, as I think the SMD are actually easier to install.got mine yesterday!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Mqt4sgo.jpg)
Hmm the diodes don't come pre soldered? No biggie but thought that was the case. Cool though
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 December 2015, 21:26:53
That's because an SMD diode, like everything, is bigger in Texas.Nope, diodes didn't come presoldered on the previous rounds, either. I chose to purchase some surface mount diodes to install, instead of the through hole versions provided, as I think the SMD are actually easier to install.got mine yesterday!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Mqt4sgo.jpg)
Hmm the diodes don't come pre soldered? No biggie but thought that was the case. Cool though
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 December 2015, 22:13:53
That's because an SMD diode, like everything, is bigger in Texas.
Nah, I just have the tools for SMD soldering, and through hole requires bending leads, taping the diodes in place, clipping the leads, and soldering. Too many steps for that, when I can more easily place the SMD with tweezers and hit them with the iron.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 December 2015, 22:43:30
The right tools make all the difference.That's because an SMD diode, like everything, is bigger in Texas.
Nah, I just have the tools for SMD soldering, and through hole requires bending leads, taping the diodes in place, clipping the leads, and soldering. Too many steps for that, when I can more easily place the SMD with tweezers and hit them with the iron.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 29 December 2015, 23:49:28
Post by: digi on Wed, 30 December 2015, 10:33:07
(http://i.imgur.com/cTMMsXZ.png)
Diodes soldered in and all tested good with the Multimeter:
(http://i.imgur.com/aMEzvyO.jpg)
Salmon's are happy:
(http://i.imgur.com/qYVTNTD.jpg)
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 30 December 2015, 10:38:23
Blue! Your my boy!! Thanks mang!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cTMMsXZ.png)
Diodes soldered in and all tested good with the Multimeter:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aMEzvyO.jpg)
Salmon's are happy:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qYVTNTD.jpg)
Hell yeah dude, looking CRISP!
Post by: digi on Wed, 30 December 2015, 10:40:52
Hell yeah dude, looking CRISP!
"Crispy" like Crispy Cremes, the boi Lurch come through like yadadaimean...uhhhhhh, str8 bars son!
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 30 December 2015, 10:48:06
Hell yeah dude, looking CRISP!
"Crispy" like Crispy Cremes, the boi Lurch come through like yadadaimean...uhhhhhh, str8 bars son!
Crisp with a digi-twist! Don't blink or you just might...
killakillakilla
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 30 December 2015, 11:05:31
Post by: digi on Wed, 30 December 2015, 16:14:48
(http://i.imgur.com/kKPSxC8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0RAd9eE.jpg)
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 30 December 2015, 16:21:36
So I tried sending the tracking numbers out through a mail merge in word. Maybe it didn't work. Or maybe they are delayed. I'm going to send them all by hand here in a bit.
The postman came this morning at his usual time to pick up the packages. After his eyes returned to a normal size from the sheer volume of what I asked him to take, he said he would come back after his route. And just now, we got done loading up the truck. They are all on the way!
I just had a look, and I haven't gotten a tracking number yet :-[
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 30 December 2015, 21:27:59
Post by: braidn on Wed, 30 December 2015, 21:29:07
now she just needs some Alpine Winter...brrrrrShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/kKPSxC8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0RAd9eE.jpg)
Interesting. Same case I am going to use but I chose red!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 30 December 2015, 21:31:43
So everything is taken care of up to this point. Let me know if there are any issues.
Post by: atectatifern on Wed, 30 December 2015, 21:45:48
Post by: ShadeDream on Wed, 30 December 2015, 22:22:45
After fussing with Word 2007 Mail Merge and POP3 accounts, I finally gave up on sending the tracking numbers the 'easy way'. I just sent them all out by hand. My copy-paster is tired. Next time I will just set the list up as a csv and do it on my linux command line. At least then I would get errors instead of silent failures.
So everything is taken care of up to this point. Let me know if there are any issues.
Thanks blue! Appreciate the hard work you've put in on this whole buy.
Post by: Zealousy on Thu, 31 December 2015, 02:36:30
Post by: MAR82 on Thu, 31 December 2015, 02:52:26
Great job on the GB!
Post by: rand77 on Thu, 31 December 2015, 06:13:43
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 31 December 2015, 08:27:55
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 31 December 2015, 11:22:23
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 31 December 2015, 11:51:09
Many thanks. :thumb:
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 December 2015, 11:59:41
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 31 December 2015, 15:05:34
Just got mine, as well. Had a little extra goody in there, in the former of a beetle artisan cap. Thanks so much, Blue!
What're you waiting for? Show us the cap!
Post by: merlin64 on Thu, 31 December 2015, 15:12:29
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 December 2015, 15:30:51
What're you waiting for? Show us the cap!
Well, I've been driving around all day for work, and I'm back at the office now. Give me a chance to get home, and I'll show you. :D
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 31 December 2015, 15:43:27
Just came in the mail, can't wait to build it! I guess I'll stick with the infinity layout just so I have something different between my 60%s
I'm definitely doing one in infinity layout, just waiting for Alpine Winter to arrive.
I'll get started on the 2nd board this weekend. Doing Ansi layout with Oranges.
Side note: Blue, this has been a very well run buy. I applaud you for all your work. Everything was ran quickly and professionally. I couldn't ask for a better leader.
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 31 December 2015, 15:51:55
Got my order today, seem to be missing my switches though.
Post by: skaloola on Thu, 31 December 2015, 16:17:56
I thought Hasu was presoldering though.. guess I misread / didn't understand.
Time to buy some flux... or, can I get by without it (don't have the steadiest hands)? hmm.. for SMD it actually doesn't look too bad.
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 31 December 2015, 16:20:37
Got mine just now.
I thought Hasu was presoldering though.. guess I misread / didn't understand.
Time to buy some flux... or, can I get by without it (don't have the steadiest hands)? hmm.. for SMD it actually doesn't look too bad.
Wait, are the diodes through hole, or SMD? The previous round shipped with through hole. (Haven't gotten home to open the package yet)
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 31 December 2015, 16:23:05
Amazing work -- for a water bottle :-X
10/10 would participate in another blue water bottle buy!
Got mine just now.
I thought Hasu was presoldering though.. guess I misread / didn't understand.
Time to buy some flux... or, can I get by without it (don't have the steadiest hands)? hmm.. for SMD it actually doesn't look too bad.
Wait, are the diodes through hole, or SMD? The previous round shipped with through hole. (Haven't gotten home to open the package yet)
They are through hole (and come with the pcb), but are compatible with smd diodes as well.
Post by: skaloola on Thu, 31 December 2015, 16:24:56
They are indeed through hole
Post by: braidn on Thu, 31 December 2015, 16:28:42
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 31 December 2015, 16:32:22
Post by: mattbox on Thu, 31 December 2015, 17:16:30
(http://i.imgur.com/s9yhP42.jpg)
I did notice a little nub on the plate, probably left over from cutting, quick fix with a few passes of a file. Just a heads up as it might scratch your case or cause it not to fit.
Post by: kuromimi on Thu, 31 December 2015, 20:35:01
Post by: sean on Thu, 31 December 2015, 20:53:24
(http://i.imgur.com/iGVQ77y.jpg)
Unexpectedly however, I also received a Sadster along with an MX to Alps adapter. This is because I jokingly asked for one when I placed my order since "the GB has made my wallet sad". I completely forgot about it until I saw it in the box. It was really nice of Blue to do and it's my very first Sadster!
(http://i.imgur.com/vJ34THu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dVaNWpZ.jpg)
The adapter works like a charm, although I had to shim the inside corners a bit with a knife before it would fit. That's most likely a tolerance issue with Shapeways' 3d printers since the part is so small.
I can't wait to put together an Alps HHBK. I'm just waiting on a break for some orange Alps on Ebay. The plan for the case is to mill an aluminum block with my almost finished CNC router.
So thank you BlueNalgene. I'm sure it became a burden with all of the order changes, sorting, the anxiety that comes with hoping everything was sorted correctly, along with having to convince your girlfriend you're not becoming a hoarder. So again, thank you! :)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 31 December 2015, 22:12:09
Despite three order changes, everything arrived in perfect condition! That includes Hasu's PCB, a HHKB plate, stab sets, and quiet click switches (for my Monarch when that arrives).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iGVQ77y.jpg)
Unexpectedly however, I also received a Sadster along with an MX to Alps adapter. This is because I jokingly asked for one when I placed my order since "the GB has made my wallet sad". I completely forgot about it until I saw it in the box. It was really nice of Blue to do and it's my very first Sadster!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vJ34THu.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dVaNWpZ.jpg)
The adapter works like a charm, although I had to shim the inside corners a bit with a knife before it would fit. That's most likely a tolerance issue with Shapeways' 3d printers since the part is so small.
I can't wait to put together an Alps HHBK. I'm just waiting on a break for some orange Alps on Ebay. The plan for the case is to mill an aluminum block with my almost finished CNC router.
So thank you BlueNalgene. I'm sure it became a burden with all of the order changes, sorting, the anxiety that comes with hoping everything was sorted correctly, along with having to convince your girlfriend you're not becoming a hoarder. So again, thank you! :)
Now I'm sad that I didn't say that I was sad too!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Thu, 31 December 2015, 22:57:58
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 01 January 2016, 01:53:05
So clicky.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 01 January 2016, 06:28:48
Got mine today and it's all finished already. Comp whites and aekii caps. It's pretty great. Need to get a case and a better/hhkber layout programmed in though.
So clicky.
Pics ? ;D
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 01 January 2016, 13:26:49
Despite three order changes, everything arrived in perfect condition! That includes Hasu's PCB, a HHKB plate, stab sets, and quiet click switches (for my Monarch when that arrives).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iGVQ77y.jpg)
Unexpectedly however, I also received a Sadster along with an MX to Alps adapter. This is because I jokingly asked for one when I placed my order since "the GB has made my wallet sad". I completely forgot about it until I saw it in the box. It was really nice of Blue to do and it's my very first Sadster!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vJ34THu.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dVaNWpZ.jpg)
The adapter works like a charm, although I had to shim the inside corners a bit with a knife before it would fit. That's most likely a tolerance issue with Shapeways' 3d printers since the part is so small.
I can't wait to put together an Alps HHBK. I'm just waiting on a break for some orange Alps on Ebay. The plan for the case is to mill an aluminum block with my almost finished CNC router.
So thank you BlueNalgene. I'm sure it became a burden with all of the order changes, sorting, the anxiety that comes with hoping everything was sorted correctly, along with having to convince your girlfriend you're not becoming a hoarder. So again, thank you! :)
I'm happy I just happened to have one to send you. I try hard to accommodate everyone's requests.
I'm also happy someone has posted a pic involving use of the converter. I'm a little self conscious about sending out one of my 3D creations that I didn't test print a thousand times. It isn't perfect...
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 01 January 2016, 13:55:43
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 01 January 2016, 14:09:15
Post by: skaloola on Fri, 01 January 2016, 17:13:22
Is it possible to install the stabilizers after soldering the switches?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 01 January 2016, 20:55:04
I hate to be this guy, but would you have one extra pcb?
I don't, but someone else might.
I haven't ordered my stabs yet, but wanted to start putting this together.
Is it possible to install the stabilizers after soldering the switches?
Yes it is. I did it very easily with a knife and only a few four-letter-words.
Post by: manofinterests on Fri, 01 January 2016, 23:38:29
https://imgur.com/a/Y0foU (https://imgur.com/a/Y0foU)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 02 January 2016, 00:45:56
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1. I see that there are what appear to be through-hole diodes with the PCBs. I did not realize that I would have to solder diodes as well as switches. Could you please refer me to a good online guide about how to place and solder the diodes? These are diodes rather than resistors for LEDs, correct? I haven't looked at them carefully as yet.
This PCB doesn't support LEDs. The diodes are easy to solder at least. Hasu has made a very complicated illustration of how to solder the diodes in:
(http://i.imgur.com/mhQrQXkh.jpg)
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2. Could you also refer me to an online guide for soldering the switches?
I don't have any good pics of my build during the assembly, and I'm lazy enough to not want to take it apart. Let me see if I can do I sufficient explanation with words only.
Take a look at your PCB. On one side you will see a small toggle switch with an LED next to it. We will call this the Bottom. The Bottom is the side that gets diodes. Look at the diode holes. Do you notice how for each through hole location for a diode has two little squares near it spaced only a few mm from each other? Those are also diode pads. If you wanted to, you could get SMT diodes and solder them on in those locations instead of using the through hole diodes. That is more advanced though. Why did I mention it? Because this should confirm to you that the side you are looking at is where the diodes go. It is easy to solder all of those on first. Remember the orientation in that picture hasu made. When they are all soldered in, make sure that the leads are clipped close enough that your plate won't touch them.
Now that your diodes are soldered on, you can flip the board over so you are looking at the Top side. When you look at this side, the USB mini connector should go in the top-left corner. This is the keyboard in the orientation you would see when typing on it, the spacebar is nearest to you. Overlay your plate on the PCB. Make sure the spacebar is toward you and the screws are lined up. If you look through the holes in your plate, you should be able to tell right away where the switches go. Starting at the four corners of the plate, push a switch through from the top of the plate in such a way that the leads on the switch line up with the holes on the PCB. The plastic of the switch housing should be a few mm below the plane of the plate, with everything held in place firmly. When you are satisfied with this fit of the four corners, lower the plate onto the PCB and let the switch leads slide naturally into the through holes. Everything fit? Is it fairly level? Does it looks like a weird oreo? Good. Now you can continue putting in switches. With the corners on first, it is easier to pop in the switches through the plate and PCB holes while the everything is sitting like the final project. Once everything is in and you can see the solder leads for each switch you inserted poking through, you are ready to solder.
"But wait Blue, not all of these holes are filled!"
Right. Thanks to hasu's smart design, the plate dictates which locations are used. You don't need to worry about the other ones, as they are vestigial at this point.
Now plug it in and see if it works! The PCB comes pre-loaded with simple firmware.
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3. I did not get powder-coated plates. Can they be used without painting, clear-coating, or powder coating, or will they rust without doing one of these treatments? I have done a refurbishing of an old keyboard -- for that, I sanded and spray-painted the barrel plate using RustOleum spray paint applied in thin coats with light sanding between coats. Would this procedure be okay for the steel plates that you have sent or would you recommend something else?
Paint or protective coating isn't necessary. I used T-304 stainless steel. While it isn't impervious to damage, it should be remarkably resilient. If you would like comparison, take a look at some of those steel saucepans which you can probably find your kitchen. Look for the shiny awesome stuff that chef's use. That is the same steel. The powder coat in this case is more of an aesthetic choice. If you want to put a coat on for pretties, go for it. Be sure you use something that doesn't add much thickness to the plate near the switch holes.
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4. There was an extra item included in a separate Ziploc bag -- it is a small blue thing that looks like a stabilizer insert, but there is only one of them. Just wondering what this is and what, if anything, I would need to do with it.
That is an Alps to Cherry converter that I had 3D printed for everyone. See this post. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg1977944#msg1977944) I wanted to add something silly that people might use, so I designed those. I chose this because one of the common complaints about Alps that I've heard is the lack of artisan/custom keycap options. With this you can add one on. It might not be your cup of tea, but you never know when it will prove useful.
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5. Speaking of stabilizers, clips and inserts, I assume that I would need to provide these, correct? Do the stabilzer clips attach to the plate rather than the PCB? Would I be able to purchase these from Matias?
Yes they are nice to have. The ones available from Matias are compatible, and you can also try some that you steal from an older Alps board. If you want the ones from matias, you can find them on the shop page at the last entry on the keycaps section.
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6. Is this PCB fully programmable? If so, is there a link to a configurator and a way to reflash the firmware with a hex file?
Yes it is programmable, and there are some easy tools.
You will need a programmer. I used Atmel's FLiP (http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx). There are lighter weight tools out there, but I had some trouble getting them to run on my weird split hard drive windows 7 cluster**** machine. Other folks might be able to help you with that.
There are two options for editing your layout. If you are hardcore, you can compile it yourself and do all the customization in C. You can find the source here (https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/tree/master/keyboard/alps64). If you need to crap something out in an hour before your plane leaves and OMG what if I don't have a keyboard while I am abroad like me, you can use hasu's fancy new tool (http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html). In Lord Hasu's infinite wisdom, he also provided a copy of his current layout to act as a starting point. Go here (http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html#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) to see it.
This FAQ is summarized from a conversation I had with a participant. Some details have been changed to keep that conversation private, and this was posted with the permission of that user. The curious party was actually a veteran member that just wanted a little handholding with this project. So let me encourage everyone to ask questions. Not all of us are perfect the first time. I have asked my share while making this project. We are all in this together to make something awesome. So do you have a question? ASK. Are you worried your reputation as a keyboard god might be tarnished if you ask something simple? PM me. My job isn't over just because the packages went out.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 02 January 2016, 00:55:05
My job isn't over just because the packages went out.
Friends, that ^ right there is what you call a GROUP BUY LEADER. Not just a group buy organizer. It's actually not very common to find common courtesy these days. Just let that sink in for a moment, and then let's all say a huge THANK YOU one more time to BlueNalgene for LEADING this buy.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 02 January 2016, 01:05:05
I know some people might be new to this. Based on one brave user's questions I am going to give you a quick FAQ for assembling your new toys.Quote1. I see that there are what appear to be through-hole diodes with the PCBs. I did not realize that I would have to solder diodes as well as switches. Could you please refer me to a good online guide about how to place and solder the diodes? These are diodes rather than resistors for LEDs, correct? I haven't looked at them carefully as yet.
This PCB doesn't support LEDs. The diodes are easy to solder at least. Hasu has made a very complicated illustration of how to solder the diodes in:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mhQrQXkh.jpg)Quote2. Could you also refer me to an online guide for soldering the switches?
I don't have any good pics of my build during the assembly, and I'm lazy enough to not want to take it apart. Let me see if I can do I sufficient explanation with words only.
Take a look at your PCB. On one side you will see a small toggle switch with an LED next to it. We will call this the Bottom. The Bottom is the side that gets diodes. Look at the diode holes. Do you notice how for each through hole location for a diode has two little squares near it spaced only a few mm from each other? Those are also diode pads. If you wanted to, you could get SMT diodes and solder them on in those locations instead of using the through hole diodes. That is more advanced though. Why did I mention it? Because this should confirm to you that the side you are looking at is where the diodes go. It is easy to solder all of those on first. Remember the orientation in that picture hasu made. When they are all soldered in, make sure that the leads are clipped close enough that your plate won't touch them.
Now that your diodes are soldered on, you can flip the board over so you are looking at the Top side. When you look at this side, the USB mini connector should go in the top-left corner. This is the keyboard in the orientation you would see when typing on it, the spacebar is nearest to you. Overlay your plate on the PCB. Make sure the spacebar is toward you and the screws are lined up. If you look through the holes in your plate, you should be able to tell right away where the switches go. Starting at the four corners of the plate, push a switch through from the top of the plate in such a way that the leads on the switch line up with the holes on the PCB. The plastic of the switch housing should be a few mm below the plane of the plate, with everything held in place firmly. When you are satisfied with this fit of the four corners, lower the plate onto the PCB and let the switch leads slide naturally into the through holes. Everything fit? Is it fairly level? Does it looks like a weird oreo? Good. Now you can continue putting in switches. With the corners on first, it is easier to pop in the switches through the plate and PCB holes while the everything is sitting like the final project. Once everything is in and you can see the solder leads for each switch you inserted poking through, you are ready to solder.
"But wait Blue, not all of these holes are filled!"
Right. Thanks to hasu's smart design, the plate dictates which locations are used. You don't need to worry about the other ones, as they are vestigial at this point.
Now plug it in and see if it works! The PCB comes pre-loaded with simple firmware.Quote3. I did not get powder-coated plates. Can they be used without painting, clear-coating, or powder coating, or will they rust without doing one of these treatments? I have done a refurbishing of an old keyboard -- for that, I sanded and spray-painted the barrel plate using RustOleum spray paint applied in thin coats with light sanding between coats. Would this procedure be okay for the steel plates that you have sent or would you recommend something else?
Paint or protective coating isn't necessary. I used T-304 stainless steel. While it isn't impervious to damage, it should be remarkably resilient. If you would like comparison, take a look at some of those steel saucepans which you can probably find your kitchen. Look for the shiny awesome stuff that chef's use. That is the same steel. The powder coat in this case is more of an aesthetic choice. If you want to put a coat on for pretties, go for it. Be sure you use something that doesn't add much thickness to the plate near the switch holes.Quote4. There was an extra item included in a separate Ziploc bag -- it is a small blue thing that looks like a stabilizer insert, but there is only one of them. Just wondering what this is and what, if anything, I would need to do with it.
That is an Alps to Cherry converter that I had 3D printed for everyone. See this post. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg1977944#msg1977944) I wanted to add something silly that people might use, so I designed those. I chose this because one of the common complaints about Alps that I've heard is the lack of artisan/custom keycap options. With this you can add one on. It might not be your cup of tea, but you never know when it will prove useful.Quote5. Speaking of stabilizers, clips and inserts, I assume that I would need to provide these, correct? Do the stabilzer clips attach to the plate rather than the PCB? Would I be able to purchase these from Matias?
Yes they are nice to have. The ones available from Matias are compatible, and you can also try some that you steal from an older Alps board. If you want the ones from matias, you can find them on the shop page at the last entry on the keycaps section.Quote6. Is this PCB fully programmable? If so, is there a link to a configurator and a way to reflash the firmware with a hex file?
Yes it is programmable, and there are some easy tools.
You will need a programmer. I used Atmel's FLiP (http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx). There are lighter weight tools out there, but I had some trouble getting them to run on my weird split hard drive windows 7 cluster**** machine. Other folks might be able to help you with that.
There are two options for editing your layout. If you are hardcore, you can compile it yourself and do all the customization in C. You can find the source here (https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/tree/master/keyboard/alps64). If you need to crap something out in an hour before your plane leaves and OMG what if I don't have a keyboard while I am abroad like me, you can use hasu's fancy new tool (http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html). In Lord Hasu's infinite wisdom, he also provided a copy of his current layout to act as a starting point. Go here (http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html#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) to see it.
This FAQ is summarized from a conversation I had with a participant. Some details have been changed to keep that conversation private, and this was posted with the permission of that user. The curious party was actually a veteran member that just wanted a little handholding with this project. So let me encourage everyone to ask questions. Not all of us are perfect the first time. I have asked my share while making this project. We are all in this together to make something awesome. So do you have a question? ASK. Are you worried your reputation as a keyboard god might be tarnished if you ask something simple? PM me. My job isn't over just because the packages went out.
Thanks for the
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 02 January 2016, 01:14:37
My job isn't over just because the packages went out.
Friends, that ^ right there is what you call a GROUP BUY LEADER. Not just a group buy organizer. It's actually not very common to find common courtesy these days. Just let that sink in for a moment, and then let's all say a huge THANK YOU one more time to BlueNalgene for LEADING this buy.
Thanks Blue :thumb
A question about the TMK Keymap Editor. Which keycode is used for Fn?
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 02 January 2016, 02:11:07
Post by: sean on Sat, 02 January 2016, 02:31:36
Post by: ShadeDream on Sat, 02 January 2016, 02:56:24
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 02 January 2016, 06:53:49
Post by: sth on Sat, 02 January 2016, 09:15:19
My job isn't over just because the packages went out.
Friends, that ^ right there is what you call a GROUP BUY LEADER. Not just a group buy organizer. It's actually not very common to find common courtesy these days. Just let that sink in for a moment, and then let's all say a huge THANK YOU one more time to BlueNalgene for LEADING this buy.
hi elrick
Post by: njbair on Sat, 02 January 2016, 09:16:37
Ha. TIL saying nice things makes you Elrick.My job isn't over just because the packages went out.
Friends, that ^ right there is what you call a GROUP BUY LEADER. Not just a group buy organizer. It's actually not very common to find common courtesy these days. Just let that sink in for a moment, and then let's all say a huge THANK YOU one more time to BlueNalgene for LEADING this buy.
hi elrick
Post by: Tyr on Sat, 02 January 2016, 11:33:27
Similar question for those of us who have HHKB plates -- Do we install diodes in the positions on the PCB that will have no switches?
I haven't got my pcb yet, but if it is properly designed then you don't have to. Basically the diode is only there to make sure electricity flows one way through the closed switch, since there is no switch on that position there's no need for the diode. You can see on this diagram (http://headfuzz.co.uk/files/keyboard-matrix1-sch.png) how it has no impact on the flow in the rest of the circuit.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 02 January 2016, 13:02:20
My job isn't over just because the packages went out.
Friends, that ^ right there is what you call a GROUP BUY LEADER. Not just a group buy organizer. It's actually not very common to find common courtesy these days. Just let that sink in for a moment, and then let's all say a huge THANK YOU one more time to BlueNalgene for LEADING this buy.
Your praise is welcome. My contribution could only be that of a leader. You designed the plates, hasu designed and built the PCB's, the laser cutter made the plates, the sand-blasters coated the plates, Matias made the switches/stabs, and community provided the capital. This was what I could contribute. ...shoulders of giants and all that.
A question about the TMK Keymap Editor. Which keycode is used for Fn?
Which Fn do you mean?
Do you mean the Fn like you would find on your laptop to adjust brightness settings or something? According to \tmk_keyboard\tmk_core\doc\keymap.md section 1.5 and a little cross referencing of the code. It looks like that isn't possible with the editor. The code defines 32 Fn keys, but none of the current definitions would give the effect you would want if you said Yes to my question here. If it is possible to make a key like that, it is beyond the current scope of the editor AFAIK.
Do you mean a function button to switch layers? You can find those under the "Layer Switching and Etc." tab. You can do lots of fun things with the layers. The editor has the known fun things like mute, power off, mouse keys, etc. all ready to go. If you want something outside that, you would need to dig into the code yourself.
Both of the answers I've provided are based on my understanding. Asking hasu in the TMK firmware thread may be useful.
Similar question for those of us who have HHKB plates -- Do we install diodes in the positions on the PCB that will have no switches?
I haven't got my pcb yet, but if it is properly designed then you don't have to. Basically the diode is only there to make sure electricity flows one way through the closed switch, since there is no switch on that position there's no need for the diode. You can see on this diagram (http://headfuzz.co.uk/files/keyboard-matrix1-sch.png) how it has no impact on the flow in the rest of the circuit.
Yes, based on how the matrix works, you do NOT need to solder in diodes for unused switches. But are you a paranoid completionist? I know I am. I soldered all those puppies in juuuuust to be sure.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 02 January 2016, 13:14:27
My TO-DO list related to this project are, in probable order of execution:
0. Worry about packages arriving safely.
1. Mail out current wave of things I have. e.g. switches still needing to be sent, delayed packages, hasu's thank you card, etc. (Probably will be done on Monday if I can make it to the post office)
2. Sell off extra switches with classified posts.
3. Shayamallamadingdong twist
4. Budget audit (determine how much revenue I generated which needs to be donated before tax season).
5. Confirm with community leaders on where they want the donation money to go (GH obviously needs it in server support, but I don't know about DT or /r/mk)
6. Make donations on behalf of GB.
7. Imgur album of the GB timeline. This will be posted on /r/mk since their format isn't amenable to my aggressive updating I've done here and lazy updating I've done on DT. (We need to show off and get some inter-community goodwill going).
8(?) Write editorial for Tactile on the pinnacles and pitfalls of a first-time GB.
9. Death by exhaustion.
Post by: ShadeDream on Sat, 02 January 2016, 13:54:34
Yes, based on how the matrix works, you do NOT need to solder in diodes for unused switches. But are you a paranoid completionist? I know I am. I soldered all those puppies in juuuuust to be sure.
Solder all the diodes in case I miss the wrong one and screw it all up, gotcha, will do ;)
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sat, 02 January 2016, 14:01:21
You can see what I mean here. The stab wire won't quite reach the clip in inserts.
(http://i.imgur.com/h7BK3VR.jpg)
Post by: nickheller on Sat, 02 January 2016, 15:02:58
I built my keyboard last night with the AT101 layout, but found that apparently the stablizer wire isn't compatible with SGI spacebar. I guess I'll have to locate a Dell AT101 spacebar and the little plastic tubes.If a 7u wire is what you need I have one, you can have it. Let me know.
You can see what I mean here. The stab wire won't quite reach the clip in inserts.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h7BK3VR.jpg)
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 02 January 2016, 15:45:51
Post by: ShadeDream on Sat, 02 January 2016, 15:52:57
Yes, based on how the matrix works, you do NOT need to solder in diodes for unused switches. But are you a paranoid completionist? I know I am. I soldered all those puppies in juuuuust to be sure.
Solder all the diodes in case I miss the wrong one and screw it all up, gotcha, will do ;)
aaaand I went ahead and missed one anyway... but all is well now... just cleaning up the caps before I slap them on.
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sat, 02 January 2016, 15:57:12
If a 7u wire is what you need I have one, you can have it. Let me know.
How does the 7u wire look? Does it wrap back around from the outside? This one seems to go into the stablizer inserts from the inside.
(http://i.imgur.com/Vjn2SXV.jpg)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 02 January 2016, 16:46:02
Post by: Lurch on Sat, 02 January 2016, 17:28:14
(http://i.imgur.com/hq9OsKS.jpg)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 02 January 2016, 17:58:16
Post by: braidn on Sat, 02 January 2016, 18:42:45
Speaking of wires, anyone have a good source on 6u wires? I know I could bend one...but I'd rather have a pre-made one for when Alpine Winter arrives.
Nickheller perhaps. Although I am thinking that modding the 6.25 can't be all that hard
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 02 January 2016, 18:45:46
Post by: ShadeDream on Sat, 02 January 2016, 20:29:23
All set and living in the Poker II's original case for now. Some of the caps weren't completely settled in that photo and look a little wonky, but I managed it without a major catastrophe so I'm pretty happy. Not horrible for a second soldering project. I'll have to try retrobrighting that spacebar a bit at some point later.
Post by: Tyr on Sat, 02 January 2016, 20:37:59
Everybody is getting their packages, mines still sitting in Chicago `-`
Mine too. And I fully expect the package to sit in customs for a week once it gets into the EU. Still might get it in time for my birthday in 2 weeks, happy about that :) Even though I can't do a lot with it, since I ordered the hhkb-style plate and I won't have caps for it until Alpine Winter arrives. And reading the posts here I've just realised I don't have a 6u stab wire. Oh well, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
Post by: Zealousy on Sat, 02 January 2016, 21:51:31
Post by: sean on Sat, 02 January 2016, 23:01:31
getting there(https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/shocked.gif)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hq9OsKS.jpg)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sun, 03 January 2016, 09:52:51
Everybody is getting their packages, mines still sitting in Chicago `-`Mine is sitting in Miami. Then it'll be another full month until it arrives here in Brazil through the shipping forwarder company. :(
Post by: braidn on Sun, 03 January 2016, 10:22:11
With Badwrench's mods
(http://i.imgur.com/AWCNJcg.jpg)
Just finished the soldering/testing of switches.
(http://imgur.com/tVtTHMR.jpg)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 03 January 2016, 12:46:59
Just a snippet before Alpine Winter shows up
With Badwrench's modsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/AWCNJcg.jpg)
Just finished the soldering/testing of switches.Show Image(http://imgur.com/tVtTHMR.jpg)
Hnnnnnnggg
Post by: tominabox1 on Sun, 03 January 2016, 16:46:20
Post by: cheddarbek on Sun, 03 January 2016, 16:56:57
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/03/846f0673d356bf1c3c37fd5ea29072e8.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/03/50cbea2679007637c77ec0c58f77ec60.jpg)
Primarily oranges from an AEK I, a white on capslock, matias linears on mods, and mostly Matias clicks on gui/alt,etc.
Rocking a Royal Glam case with Tai Hao Olivette caps.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/03/2860bdf989758e89b2521408949179b0.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/03/72262855926b8a979cca3cd578ea01e8.jpg)
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 03 January 2016, 18:05:35
Finished board 1 of 2 this afternoon (I'll be waiting for Alpine winter to do my 2nd board from this buy).Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/03/846f0673d356bf1c3c37fd5ea29072e8.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/03/50cbea2679007637c77ec0c58f77ec60.jpg)
Primarily oranges from an AEK I, a white on capslock, matias linears on mods, and mostly Matias clicks on gui/alt,etc.
Rocking a Royal Glam case with Tai Hao Olivette caps.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/03/2860bdf989758e89b2521408949179b0.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/03/72262855926b8a979cca3cd578ea01e8.jpg)
Like that case. I almost ordered one from MD, but changed my mind at the last second.
Post by: Zealousy on Sun, 03 January 2016, 20:03:27
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 03 January 2016, 22:13:17
Ok the board is built but I can't figure out how to program it. I know about http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html but not how to make it work.
Make the layout you want and export the hex file with the button at the bottom. Open up the copy of FLiP you downloaded and plug in your keyboard. Press the chip button on the left, and select your chip. This PCB uses the ATmega32u2. Then click the next button to the right and connect via USB, opening the connection. While doing this, press the button on the back of your PCB. It may take a few tries to connect correctly. When you get it, load your hex file and Start Application.
If it went correctly, you will get no errors and your keyboard is ready. Reconnect the keyboard and close FLiP.
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 03 January 2016, 23:40:25
A question about the TMK Keymap Editor. Which keycode is used for Fn?
Which Fn do you mean?
Do you mean the Fn like you would find on your laptop to adjust brightness settings or something? According to \tmk_keyboard\tmk_core\doc\keymap.md section 1.5 and a little cross referencing of the code. It looks like that isn't possible with the editor. The code defines 32 Fn keys, but none of the current definitions would give the effect you would want if you said Yes to my question here. If it is possible to make a key like that, it is beyond the current scope of the editor AFAIK.
Do you mean a function button to switch layers? You can find those under the "Layer Switching and Etc." tab. You can do lots of fun things with the layers. The editor has the known fun things like mute, power off, mouse keys, etc. all ready to go. If you want something outside that, you would need to dig into the code yourself.
Both of the answers I've provided are based on my understanding. Asking hasu in the TMK firmware thread may be useful.
Yeah, I'll need to set up my arrow keys etc. So I'm confused on which option to choose for making the key between my right ALT and right CTRL work as a Fn key.
Not sure what the difference is between "Layer Switch Momentary", "Layer Switch Toggle", "Layer Switch with Tap Toggle", & "Layer switch with Tap key".
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 03 January 2016, 23:53:30
A question about the TMK Keymap Editor. Which keycode is used for Fn?
Which Fn do you mean?
Do you mean the Fn like you would find on your laptop to adjust brightness settings or something? According to \tmk_keyboard\tmk_core\doc\keymap.md section 1.5 and a little cross referencing of the code. It looks like that isn't possible with the editor. The code defines 32 Fn keys, but none of the current definitions would give the effect you would want if you said Yes to my question here. If it is possible to make a key like that, it is beyond the current scope of the editor AFAIK.
Do you mean a function button to switch layers? You can find those under the "Layer Switching and Etc." tab. You can do lots of fun things with the layers. The editor has the known fun things like mute, power off, mouse keys, etc. all ready to go. If you want something outside that, you would need to dig into the code yourself.
Both of the answers I've provided are based on my understanding. Asking hasu in the TMK firmware thread may be useful.
Yeah, I'll need to set up my arrow keys etc. So I'm confused on which option to choose for making the key between my right ALT and right CTRL work as a Fn key.
Not sure what the difference is between "Layer Switch Momentary", "Layer Switch Toggle", "Layer Switch with Tap Toggle", & "Layer switch with Tap key".
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/doc/keymap.md (https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/doc/keymap.md)
See section 2.2
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 03 January 2016, 23:55:28
A question about the TMK Keymap Editor. Which keycode is used for Fn?
Which Fn do you mean?
Do you mean the Fn like you would find on your laptop to adjust brightness settings or something? According to \tmk_keyboard\tmk_core\doc\keymap.md section 1.5 and a little cross referencing of the code. It looks like that isn't possible with the editor. The code defines 32 Fn keys, but none of the current definitions would give the effect you would want if you said Yes to my question here. If it is possible to make a key like that, it is beyond the current scope of the editor AFAIK.
Do you mean a function button to switch layers? You can find those under the "Layer Switching and Etc." tab. You can do lots of fun things with the layers. The editor has the known fun things like mute, power off, mouse keys, etc. all ready to go. If you want something outside that, you would need to dig into the code yourself.
Both of the answers I've provided are based on my understanding. Asking hasu in the TMK firmware thread may be useful.
Yeah, I'll need to set up my arrow keys etc. So I'm confused on which option to choose for making the key between my right ALT and right CTRL work as a Fn key.
Not sure what the difference is between "Layer Switch Momentary", "Layer Switch Toggle", "Layer Switch with Tap Toggle", & "Layer switch with Tap key".
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/doc/keymap.md (https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/doc/keymap.md)
See section 2.2
Thanks :)
Post by: hasu on Mon, 04 January 2016, 11:28:35
Alps64 PCB users,
Updated first post of my thread. Please read it in particular 'Check your PCB' section and give test on your PCB once you receive it. You can post your question and problem specific to PCB in my thread, I'll check posts more in the thread.
Quoted from first post of Alps64 PCB thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1674818#msg1674818
Quote
Check your PCB
Test your PCB before you start assembling. If you assemble it without this test and it doesn't work it could be very difficult to discrimitate between PCB's fault and yours.
1. Plug into USB port
You will see LED on bottom side flashes at startup. And it will be enumerated as a keyboard device by your OS.
In Windows you will find a entry like 'HID Keyboard Device' whose hardware id is like 'VID_FEED&PID_6464' in Device Manager.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u9nYiUil.png)
In Linux you will find a line like below in output of 'lsusb'
Code: [Select]$ lsusband lines like below in log file such as /var/log/kern.log(ubuntu).
...
Bus 001 Device 050: ID feed:6464
...
Code: [Select]Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305237.996043] usb 1-1.3.1: new full-speed USB device number 52 using ehci-pci
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.090594] usb 1-1.3.1: New USB device found, idVendor=feed, idProduct=6464
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.090607] usb 1-1.3.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.090613] usb 1-1.3.1: Product: Alps64
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.090619] usb 1-1.3.1: Manufacturer: TMK
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.093405] input: TMK Alps64 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3.1/1-1.3.1:1.0/0003:FEED:6464.008F/input/input121
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.148208] hid-generic 0003:FEED:6464.008F: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [TMK Alps64] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1.3.1/input0
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.150044] input: TMK Alps64 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3.1/1-1.3.1:1.1/0003:FEED:6464.0090/input/input122
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.204289] hid-generic 0003:FEED:6464.0090: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [TMK Alps64] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1.3.1/input1
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.206226] input: TMK Alps64 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3.1/1-1.3.1:1.2/0003:FEED:6464.0091/input/input123
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.260781] hid-generic 0003:FEED:6464.0091: input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.11 Device [TMK Alps64] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1.3.1/input2
Jan 4 23:05:28 desk kernel: [305238.263008] hid-generic 0003:FEED:6464.0092: hiddev0,hidraw3: USBHID v1.11 Device [TMK Alps64] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1.3.1/input3
2. Open Notepad and make short circuit on a key
Connect pads of K01 and D01 with tweezer or papler clip like pic below. You will see 'm' is registered on Notepad. This indicates your PCB is likely to work well.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oaxZmrBl.jpg)
If your PCB doesn't work as described above it may have fault, post your problem in this thread.
Assembly
See BlueNalgene's this post also.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg1991884#msg1991884
1. Diode polarity
Diode has polarity and won't work if you solder it reversely. Diode has two leads, cathode and anode, you can discrimitate them by cathode mark on it. Black marking side of diode is cathode lead and cathode should be soldered on square land while anode on round land.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mhQrQXkh.jpg)
2. Soldering diodes
Don't solder diodes all at once, you should assemble some and test them at first to avoid losing your time in vain.
Solder just a few diodes and check if they work correctly by short circuit like pic below. You will see the key only is registered on your OS, use Notepad, or tools like AquaKeyTest, EK SwitchHitter or xev.
AquaKeyTest: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34670.msg641440#msg641440
EK SwitchHitter: https://elitekeyboards.com/switchhitter.php
xev: http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.7/doc/man/man1/xev.1.xhtmlShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/nHHqDlLl.jpg)
Of course, you should plug off PCB before soldering :D
SMT diode
TBD
3. Soldering switches
Again, don't solder switches all at once, you should test them occasionally during assembly. At this point testing is easy, just plug in, press a switch and see with one of softwares above.
4. Test all swtiches
After assembly is completed check if all switches work correctly with default firmware. Don't program controller with your firmware and don't change keymap until this test is finished. Your own firmware or keymap will make test/debug process difficult.
Program Controller
You can program(flash) firmware into controller via USB DFU protocol.
1. Program mode
To enter program mode(start DFU bootloader) hook up to USB port and press tiny push button on bottom side of PCB.
2. Software tool
Then you can program controller using your favorite software tool. Controller(MCU) of the PCB is ATmega32u2, you will have to designate it in your tool like FLIP or dfu-programmer.
FLIP: http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx
dfu-programmer: http://dfu-programmer.github.io/
With dfu-programmer you can run it like below in command lineCode: [Select]dfu-programmer atmega32u2 erase --forceYou may need to prepend 'sudo' to these in Linux and Mac OSX.
dfu-programmer atmega32u2 flash <your_firmware.hex>
dfu-programmer atmega32u2 reset
As for how to use FLIP see BlueNalgene's this post, consult with its help files or search on net.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg1993990#msg1993990
Also see this.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/tmk_core/doc/build.md#program-controller
Troubleshoot
FLIP: AtLibUsbDfu.dll not found
Remove current driver and re-install one FLIP provides from DeviceManager of WIndows. http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy (Thanks, a-c)
Post by: axtran on Mon, 04 January 2016, 11:49:17
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 04 January 2016, 17:21:34
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 04 January 2016, 19:02:43
Got mine today and it's all finished already. Comp whites and aekii caps. It's pretty great. Need to get a case and a better/hhkber layout programmed in though.
So clicky.
Pics ? ;D
#redditshot
(http://i.imgur.com/ychIRqn.jpg) (http://imgur.com/ychIRqn)
Post by: njbair on Mon, 04 January 2016, 20:19:00
Post by: sean on Mon, 04 January 2016, 20:31:07
Mine arrived at the office over the weekend, so I'm just now getting around to assembling the first one. I decided to start with my blue powdercoated HHKB plate with Matias Clicks. Everything went together fine except for the Matias stabilizers. Is anyone else having trouble with the Matias stabs and Badwrench's mods?The wires are incompatible. the plastic mx stabs seem to be fine though.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 04 January 2016, 20:53:38
Ok, so I'm not crazy. I must have missed that part up until now. I was able to bend and clip some of the 2U wires to work, now I just need to do something for the spacebar.Mine arrived at the office over the weekend, so I'm just now getting around to assembling the first one. I decided to start with my blue powdercoated HHKB plate with Matias Clicks. Everything went together fine except for the Matias stabilizers. Is anyone else having trouble with the Matias stabs and Badwrench's mods?The wires are incompatible. the plastic mx stabs seem to be fine though.
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 04 January 2016, 21:59:19
The FLIP tool only has downloads for windows and linux
Post by: hasu on Mon, 04 January 2016, 22:20:38
What tool can I use to flash firmware? I'm on OSX running 10.10.5Try FLIP on virtualbox or parallels VM and let us know whether it works or not if you have time enough. It would be nice for community to know.
The FLIP tool only has downloads for windows and linux
But if you want to go straight just use another tool my post suggested
Post by: sth on Tue, 05 January 2016, 01:30:47
Post by: braidn on Tue, 05 January 2016, 06:58:05
Ok, so I'm not crazy. I must have missed that part up until now. I was able to bend and clip some of the 2U wires to work, now I just need to do something for the spacebar.Mine arrived at the office over the weekend, so I'm just now getting around to assembling the first one. I decided to start with my blue powdercoated HHKB plate with Matias Clicks. Everything went together fine except for the Matias stabilizers. Is anyone else having trouble with the Matias stabs and Badwrench's mods?The wires are incompatible. the plastic mx stabs seem to be fine though.
Ok I thought I was going crazy as well. What does this bend and lip mod look like? And will we have to do the same with Alpine Winter? Can we get away with a cherry 2u stab and have it work?
Post by: skaloola on Tue, 05 January 2016, 07:11:49
What tool can I use to flash firmware? I'm on OSX running 10.10.5
The FLIP tool only has downloads for windows and linux
try http://dfu-programmer.github.io (http://dfu-programmer.github.io)
brew install dfu-programmer
Post by: njbair on Tue, 05 January 2016, 07:58:10
The Cherry 2U stab wires are too tall and the "fingers" don't reach far enough back in. This is because Alps-style stabilizer clips are located more outward and rearward than the Cherry-style clips used on all SP caps.Ok, so I'm not crazy. I must have missed that part up until now. I was able to bend and clip some of the 2U wires to work, now I just need to do something for the spacebar.Mine arrived at the office over the weekend, so I'm just now getting around to assembling the first one. I decided to start with my blue powdercoated HHKB plate with Matias Clicks. Everything went together fine except for the Matias stabilizers. Is anyone else having trouble with the Matias stabs and Badwrench's mods?The wires are incompatible. the plastic mx stabs seem to be fine though.
Ok I thought I was going crazy as well. What does this bend and lip mod look like? And will we have to do the same with Alpine Winter? Can we get away with a cherry 2u stab and have it work?
To make it work, unbend the fingers so you are left with a U-shaped wire, or more accurately a rectangle without a top side. Then make new bends to end up with shorter sides and longer fingers. You basically want the sides to be about 2/3 as tall as they started. You'll then have to clip the fingers to make room for the switch in the middle.
I did the whole mod using two pairs of needle nose pliers to bend and unbend the wires, and a wire nipper to clip the ends to size.
I wish I had some pictures but I am not going in to the office today, if I have time tomorrow I'll do it then.
Post by: merlin64 on Tue, 05 January 2016, 09:30:18
What tool can I use to flash firmware? I'm on OSX running 10.10.5
The FLIP tool only has downloads for windows and linux
try http://dfu-programmer.github.io (http://dfu-programmer.github.io)
brew install dfu-programmer
I ended up using a windows machine. I was unsure if FLIP worked with Windows 10, but it did! Just had to change the drivers to the one FLIP provided. Now all that's left are stabilizers supposedly coming on Thursday.
Post by: braidn on Tue, 05 January 2016, 10:11:31
The Cherry 2U stab wires are too tall and the "fingers" don't reach far enough back in. This is because Alps-style stabilizer clips are located more outward and rearward than the Cherry-style clips used on all SP caps.Ok, so I'm not crazy. I must have missed that part up until now. I was able to bend and clip some of the 2U wires to work, now I just need to do something for the spacebar.Mine arrived at the office over the weekend, so I'm just now getting around to assembling the first one. I decided to start with my blue powdercoated HHKB plate with Matias Clicks. Everything went together fine except for the Matias stabilizers. Is anyone else having trouble with the Matias stabs and Badwrench's mods?The wires are incompatible. the plastic mx stabs seem to be fine though.
Ok I thought I was going crazy as well. What does this bend and lip mod look like? And will we have to do the same with Alpine Winter? Can we get away with a cherry 2u stab and have it work?
To make it work, unbend the fingers so you are left with a U-shaped wire, or more accurately a rectangle without a top side. Then make new bends to end up with shorter sides and longer fingers. You basically want the sides to be about 2/3 as tall as they started. You'll then have to clip the fingers to make room for the switch in the middle.
I did the whole mod using two pairs of needle nose pliers to bend and unbend the wires, and a wire nipper to clip the ends to size.
I wish I had some pictures but I am not going in to the office today, if I have time tomorrow I'll do it then.
Ok... Yeah some pics would definitely help but I think I get what you are talking about. Will give it a whirl.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 05 January 2016, 10:26:48
Basically you are making a hybrid Alps/Cherry stab wire. Note that if you ever switch back to stock Alps caps or Tai Hao or something, the Matias wires should work just fine. So save any extras you end up with.The Cherry 2U stab wires are too tall and the "fingers" don't reach far enough back in. This is because Alps-style stabilizer clips are located more outward and rearward than the Cherry-style clips used on all SP caps.Ok, so I'm not crazy. I must have missed that part up until now. I was able to bend and clip some of the 2U wires to work, now I just need to do something for the spacebar.Mine arrived at the office over the weekend, so I'm just now getting around to assembling the first one. I decided to start with my blue powdercoated HHKB plate with Matias Clicks. Everything went together fine except for the Matias stabilizers. Is anyone else having trouble with the Matias stabs and Badwrench's mods?The wires are incompatible. the plastic mx stabs seem to be fine though.
Ok I thought I was going crazy as well. What does this bend and lip mod look like? And will we have to do the same with Alpine Winter? Can we get away with a cherry 2u stab and have it work?
To make it work, unbend the fingers so you are left with a U-shaped wire, or more accurately a rectangle without a top side. Then make new bends to end up with shorter sides and longer fingers. You basically want the sides to be about 2/3 as tall as they started. You'll then have to clip the fingers to make room for the switch in the middle.
I did the whole mod using two pairs of needle nose pliers to bend and unbend the wires, and a wire nipper to clip the ends to size.
I wish I had some pictures but I am not going in to the office today, if I have time tomorrow I'll do it then.
Ok... Yeah some pics would definitely help but I think I get what you are talking about. Will give it a whirl.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 05 January 2016, 10:44:45
I wonder if this is intentional or something that Matias might want to correct in the future. It seems like good compatibility would benefit their sales.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 05 January 2016, 10:49:17
Has anyone else tried a stab wire on an AT101W spacebar? When I tried it, the fit was too tight.I quickly checked the spacebar wire and noticed that it seems to be rubbing against the front of the switch. Some stab wires have an extra couple of bends to make room for the switch, that may be what's needed here.
I wonder if this is intentional or something that Matias might want to correct in the future. It seems like good compatibility would benefit their sales.
The other thing I noticed, Blue, is that the powder coated plate is a little too thick for the Matias stab clips. I had to file down the "ears" on the wire clip side to make them fit snugly and not pop out.
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 05 January 2016, 11:50:50
The other thing I noticed, Blue, is that the powder coated plate is a little too thick for the Matias stab clips. I had to file down the "ears" on the wire clip side to make them fit snugly and not pop out.Yea that's the problem with powder coating - it's thick enough that you usually have to design around it (as far as keyboard parts go), especially for small jobs where the coating is applied manually. Having to do a little filing is worth it for that blue though! The plate will look so pretty with Alpine Winter! :)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 05 January 2016, 11:53:42
Can't wait!!!The other thing I noticed, Blue, is that the powder coated plate is a little too thick for the Matias stab clips. I had to file down the "ears" on the wire clip side to make them fit snugly and not pop out.Yea that's the problem with powder coating - it's thick enough that you usually have to design around it (as far as keyboard parts go), especially for small jobs where the coating is applied manually. Having to do a little filing is worth it for that blue though! The plate will look so pretty with Alpine Winter! :)
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 05 January 2016, 14:53:41
The other thing I noticed, Blue, is that the powder coated plate is a little too thick for the Matias stab clips. I had to file down the "ears" on the wire clip side to make them fit snugly and not pop out.
That may have have just been luck of the draw. Mine popped in just equally as well as the non-coated plate. The powder coating person I used was told about the clearance and purposes of the cutouts and took pains to keep things within spec. Sorry if it didn't work out for all of them.
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:24:52
The other thing I noticed, Blue, is that the powder coated plate is a little too thick for the Matias stab clips. I had to file down the "ears" on the wire clip side to make them fit snugly and not pop out.
That may have have just been luck of the draw. Mine popped in just equally as well as the non-coated plate. The powder coating person I used was told about the clearance and purposes of the cutouts and took pains to keep things within spec. Sorry if it didn't work out for all of them.
I had a dog of a time getting the matias clips to stick in my non-coated plate - it's like the plate was just too thick for them. I had no problems getting vintage stabs in the plate. Also, I wasn't able to use matias' wire on the right shift key, I ended up cannibalizing one from an old Alps board.
Overall not too big a deal, but I imagine those who don't have a couple old Alps boards lying around to borrow from might have issues.
Also, I'm noticing a really annoying ping sound when typing and using this case (Royal Glam wood). I imagine the wood is just a bit more resonant than the Tex aluminum I used on my round 2 hasu board. Anyone have a good recommendation on something I could stuff between the pcb and the case to reduce that ping sound a bit?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:37:13
I had a dog of a time getting the matias clips to stick in my non-coated plate - it's like the plate was just too thick for them. I had no problems getting vintage stabs in the plate. Also, I wasn't able to use matias' wire on the right shift key, I ended up cannibalizing one from an old Alps board.
Overall not too big a deal, but I imagine those who don't have a couple old Alps boards lying around to borrow from might have issues.
Also, I'm noticing a really annoying ping sound when typing and using this case (Royal Glam wood). I imagine the wood is just a bit more resonant than the Tex aluminum I used on my round 2 hasu board. Anyone have a good recommendation on something I could stuff between the pcb and the case to reduce that ping sound a bit?
Bummer about the stabs being difficult. The thickness of the plate is just on the outside edge of the specs for the Matias switches. Though I haven't seen a schematic of the stab parts from Matias, I expect they would have similar tolerances. What I find interesting is that these problems are reported with the stab clips and not the switches.
I also had a pinging issue with my cases. I used a generic Al case. I eliminated the sounds or minimized it below my hearing threshold by using vinyl wrap. I originally used some vinyl wrap on the bottom of the case because some users of the previous hasu runs reported shorting with the diodes on metallic cases. After discovering the sounds, I also put heat-shrunk vinyl wrap on the standoff areas where the PCB made contact with the case. If you don't have any wrap on hand, you might have some electrical tape. That might help by acting as a dampener between the PCB and the case.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:38:03
Also, I'm noticing a really annoying ping sound when typing and using this case (Royal Glam wood). I imagine the wood is just a bit more resonant than the Tex aluminum I used on my round 2 hasu board. Anyone have a good recommendation on something I could stuff between the pcb and the case to reduce that ping sound a bit?
I just chopped up an old mouse mat. It was thin neoprene. Others have used shelve liner:
(http://i.imgur.com/rMsfaMV.png)
Post by: itzmeluigi on Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:55:09
I had a dog of a time getting the matias clips to stick in my non-coated plate - it's like the plate was just too thick for them. I had no problems getting vintage stabs in the plate. Also, I wasn't able to use matias' wire on the right shift key, I ended up cannibalizing one from an old Alps board.
Overall not too big a deal, but I imagine those who don't have a couple old Alps boards lying around to borrow from might have issues.
Also, I'm noticing a really annoying ping sound when typing and using this case (Royal Glam wood). I imagine the wood is just a bit more resonant than the Tex aluminum I used on my round 2 hasu board. Anyone have a good recommendation on something I could stuff between the pcb and the case to reduce that ping sound a bit?
Bummer about the stabs being difficult. The thickness of the plate is just on the outside edge of the specs for the Matias switches. Though I haven't seen a schematic of the stab parts from Matias, I expect they would have similar tolerances. What I find interesting is that these problems are reported with the stab clips and not the switches.
I also had a pinging issue with my cases. I used a generic Al case. I eliminated the sounds or minimized it below my hearing threshold by using vinyl wrap. I originally used some vinyl wrap on the bottom of the case because some users of the previous hasu runs reported shorting with the diodes on metallic cases. After discovering the sounds, I also put heat-shrunk vinyl wrap on the standoff areas where the PCB made contact with the case. If you don't have any wrap on hand, you might have some electrical tape. That might help by acting as a dampener between the PCB and the case.
Do you know which type of SMD diodes should be used instead of the stock included ones? I want to use the SMD ones to be sure that they wont short with an Alu case.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 05 January 2016, 16:08:58
Do you know which type of SMD diodes should be used instead of the stock included ones? I want to use the SMD ones to be sure that they wont short with an Alu case.
The solder pads are designed for the SOD-123 footprint. While hasu's KiCAD files don't behave on my machine and I can't view the layout, in the .cmp file he uses "IdModule = keyboard_parts:D_SOD123_axial;"
Post by: itzmeluigi on Tue, 05 January 2016, 16:25:54
Do you know which type of SMD diodes should be used instead of the stock included ones? I want to use the SMD ones to be sure that they wont short with an Alu case.
The solder pads are designed for the SOD-123 footprint. While hasu's KiCAD files don't behave on my machine and I can't view the layout, in the .cmp file he uses "IdModule = keyboard_parts:D_SOD123_axial;"
Thanks, i found these ones, but im going to wait and ask hasu just in case theres specific specs it requires.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-PCS-1N4148-1206-IN4148-SOD-123-SMD-SWITCHING-DIODE-/301210017692
Post by: hasu on Tue, 05 January 2016, 19:03:23
Do you know which type of SMD diodes should be used instead of the stock included ones? I want to use the SMD ones to be sure that they wont short with an Alu case.
The solder pads are designed for the SOD-123 footprint. While hasu's KiCAD files don't behave on my machine and I can't view the layout, in the .cmp file he uses "IdModule = keyboard_parts:D_SOD123_axial;"
Thanks, i found these ones, but im going to wait and ask hasu just in case theres specific specs it requires.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-PCS-1N4148-1206-IN4148-SOD-123-SMD-SWITCHING-DIODE-/301210017692
Added sction about SMT diodes. Check the first post again.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1674818#msg1674818
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SMT diode
You can use SMT(SMD) diodes instead of through hole(TH) devices. Its footprint is SOD123, I tested PCB with DIODES inc. 1N4148W.
Some cases have thick PCB supports(standoffs and beams?) which interfere with some of TH diodes and make short circuit. To avoid this you can use SMT diodes for them(D00, D10, D20, D22, D23, D24, D25, D26, D27, D30, D31, D36, D55, D63, D65, D70, D73). And you will have to tape on TH pads to prevent from shortcircuit.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 05 January 2016, 20:24:16
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 05 January 2016, 20:29:27
Just gotta hope it'll fit in the community package box and i wont get a damn "pick it up next week at the post office" slip :p
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 06 January 2016, 03:18:58
Thank you for running this bluenalgene - you run a tight shop
First time using alps and although I don't have any keycaps to try with them, quiet clicks feel amazing and way better than anything I've ever used
Post by: ShadeDream on Wed, 06 January 2016, 09:28:18
Just got all my stuff
Thank you for running this bluenalgene - you run a tight shop
First time using alps and although I don't have any keycaps to try with them, quiet clicks feel amazing and way better than anything I've ever used
I was moderately concerned I wouldn't like my quiet clicks when comparing the AEK creams I had laying around to the orange alps in my Apple standard keyboard, but I've been pleasantly surprised by the Matias switches. I've been switching back and forth between it, MX browns and MX clears and am pretty happy overall with the feel. My wife is trying to get me to use it instead at home because it's so much quieter than both of my MX boards.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 06 January 2016, 09:43:57
Just got all my stuffQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Thank you for running this bluenalgene - you run a tight shop
First time using alps and although I don't have any keycaps to try with them, quiet clicks feel amazing and way better than anything I've ever used
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 06 January 2016, 12:10:05
Just got all my stuffQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Thank you for running this bluenalgene - you run a tight shop
First time using alps and although I don't have any keycaps to try with them, quiet clicks feel amazing and way better than anything I've ever used
I like the "Quiet" Clicks way more then I thought I would. I totally expected to like Matias Clickys better, but the QC's just feel better to me.
Don't get me wrong. I do like the Clickys also, but if I had to choose one it would be the QC's.
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 06 January 2016, 12:51:15
A+ work on this GB :thumb: :thumb:
Now I just wish I went with clicky switches :-[
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 06 January 2016, 12:55:53
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 06 January 2016, 13:07:37
Delivery date unknown... Sigh...
The CONUS orders got a tracking number and the INTL orders got a confirmation number. The difference is that the confirmation number only tells you basic arrival information. It depends on what arrangements your country's postal service has with the USPS though. Just have faith, it will get there and be a lovely surprise for you.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 06 January 2016, 13:19:30
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 06 January 2016, 13:26:34
Nah, I know exactly where it is - between Chicago and Oslo ;)
50.89599 -38.43878
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 06 January 2016, 13:28:04
Post by: sean on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:15:47
Just got all my stuffQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Thank you for running this bluenalgene - you run a tight shop
First time using alps and although I don't have any keycaps to try with them, quiet clicks feel amazing and way better than anything I've ever used
I like the "Quiet" Clicks way more then I thought I would. I totally expected to like Matias Clickys better, but the QC's just feel better to me.
Don't get me wrong. I do like the Clickys also, but if I had to choose one it would be the QC's.
I love quiet clicks as a "daily driver" keyswitch, and will most likely put them on all of the keyboards that I think I'll be using often. Maybe once I try out orange switches I'll like them better, but as njbair said buying old switches are always a gamble. Considering it took me an extraordinarily long time to get my SKCM blues to feel consistent with one another, it's nice to know quiet clicks will always feel crisp and uniform.
Post by: Tyr on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:27:52
Quiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Just got my stuff today and I was just thinking how similar the Quit Clicks felt to my Zealios. Perfect for me as they are my favored switches at the moment.
My pcb had been tested and the plate is nice and heavy and very... blue :cool: I'd say shockingly blue even at first. The stabs seem tight and rattle-y, but maybe some lube will help. I was going to put on these cheapo double-shots until I realized the spacebar wouldn't fit the hhkb laybout, and Alps keycap are tight as f***. Seriously, I'd rather put on Alpine Winter in the first place and then pray I never have to take it off.
(http://i.imgur.com/qV8hZval.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qV8hZva)
(http://i.imgur.com/HIlA0sXl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIlA0sX)
Post by: sean on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:35:02
Badwrench's modifiers were really not tight at all (at least for me) so I would imagine AW wont be too tight either. As for the HHKB spacebar, does anybody know of an Alps spacebar that will work with a HHKB layout?Show ImageQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Just got my stuff today and I was just thinking how similar the Quit Clicks felt to my Zealios. Perfect for me as they are my favored switches at the moment.
My pcb had been tested and the plate is nice and heavy and very... blue :cool: I'd say shockingly blue even at first. The stabs seem tight and rattle-y, but maybe some lube will help. I was going to put on these cheapo double-shots until I realized the spacebar wouldn't fit the hhkb laybout, and Alps keycap are tight as f***. Seriously, I'd rather put on Alpine Winter in the first place and then pray I never have to take it off.
(http://i.imgur.com/qV8hZval.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qV8hZva)
(http://i.imgur.com/HIlA0sXl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIlA0sX)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:35:52
The 6U AW spacebar will work with HHKBBadwrench's modifiers were really not tight at all (at least for me) so I would imagine AW wont be too tight either. As for the HHKB spacebar, does anybody know of an Alps spacebar that will work with a HHKB layout?Show ImageQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Just got my stuff today and I was just thinking how similar the Quit Clicks felt to my Zealios. Perfect for me as they are my favored switches at the moment.
My pcb had been tested and the plate is nice and heavy and very... blue :cool: I'd say shockingly blue even at first. The stabs seem tight and rattle-y, but maybe some lube will help. I was going to put on these cheapo double-shots until I realized the spacebar wouldn't fit the hhkb laybout, and Alps keycap are tight as f***. Seriously, I'd rather put on Alpine Winter in the first place and then pray I never have to take it off.
(http://i.imgur.com/qV8hZval.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qV8hZva)
(http://i.imgur.com/HIlA0sXl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIlA0sX)
Post by: sean on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:43:54
Oh great, now I have to kick myself for not getting a second AW set :pThe 6U AW spacebar will work with HHKBBadwrench's modifiers were really not tight at all (at least for me) so I would imagine AW wont be too tight either. As for the HHKB spacebar, does anybody know of an Alps spacebar that will work with a HHKB layout?Show ImageQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Just got my stuff today and I was just thinking how similar the Quit Clicks felt to my Zealios. Perfect for me as they are my favored switches at the moment.
My pcb had been tested and the plate is nice and heavy and very... blue :cool: I'd say shockingly blue even at first. The stabs seem tight and rattle-y, but maybe some lube will help. I was going to put on these cheapo double-shots until I realized the spacebar wouldn't fit the hhkb laybout, and Alps keycap are tight as f***. Seriously, I'd rather put on Alpine Winter in the first place and then pray I never have to take it off.
(http://i.imgur.com/qV8hZval.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qV8hZva)
(http://i.imgur.com/HIlA0sXl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIlA0sX)
Post by: Tyr on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:48:23
Badwrench's modifiers were really not tight at all (at least for me) so I would imagine AW wont be too tight either. As for the HHKB spacebar, does anybody know of an Alps spacebar that will work with a HHKB layout?
Good to hear about the tightness, or lack thereof. In contrast to the stabs the switches on my plate aren't grabbed too tightly, so I was afraid that pulling on them to hard would put all the stress on the soldered connections and pcb. Also I've become cautious since I nearly wrecked a Cherry clear switch removing the cap :rolleyes: AW's "infinity spacebar" is 6u which is the HHKB size (Edit: beaten to it). At least I hope it is or I have a problem :D (Edit: reassured, thanks njbair)
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 06 January 2016, 16:31:54
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/qV8hZval.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qV8hZva)
(http://i.imgur.com/HIlA0sXl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIlA0sX)
That's so gorgeous! I'm so regretting not getting a blue plate now. :(
I love quiet clicks as a "daily driver" keyswitch, and will most likely put them on all of the keyboards that I think I'll be using often. Maybe once I try out orange switches I'll like them better, but as njbair said buying old switches are always a gamble. Considering it took me an extraordinarily long time to get my SKCM blues to feel consistent with one another, it's nice to know quiet clicks will always feel crisp and uniform.
Took me forever sorting through my oranges to find the ones that felt good and hadn't gone clicky.
I do have a donor board with blues, but I know I'll need to refurbish them before they do on anything. Is there a good guide on what all I'll need to do (cleaning, lubing, the like)? I've not yet done much with disassembling switches for repair or modifications.
Post by: ika on Wed, 06 January 2016, 18:27:37
Post by: njbair on Wed, 06 January 2016, 19:33:20
Alps twins!Show ImageQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Just got my stuff today and I was just thinking how similar the Quit Clicks felt to my Zealios. Perfect for me as they are my favored switches at the moment.
My pcb had been tested and the plate is nice and heavy and very... blue :cool: I'd say shockingly blue even at first. The stabs seem tight and rattle-y, but maybe some lube will help. I was going to put on these cheapo double-shots until I realized the spacebar wouldn't fit the hhkb laybout, and Alps keycap are tight as f***. Seriously, I'd rather put on Alpine Winter in the first place and then pray I never have to take it off.
(http://i.imgur.com/qV8hZval.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qV8hZva)
(http://i.imgur.com/HIlA0sXl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIlA0sX)
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 06 January 2016, 20:07:52
Alps twins!Show ImageQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Just got my stuff today and I was just thinking how similar the Quit Clicks felt to my Zealios. Perfect for me as they are my favored switches at the moment.
My pcb had been tested and the plate is nice and heavy and very... blue :cool: I'd say shockingly blue even at first. The stabs seem tight and rattle-y, but maybe some lube will help. I was going to put on these cheapo double-shots until I realized the spacebar wouldn't fit the hhkb laybout, and Alps keycap are tight as f***. Seriously, I'd rather put on Alpine Winter in the first place and then pray I never have to take it off.
(http://i.imgur.com/qV8hZval.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qV8hZva)
(http://i.imgur.com/HIlA0sXl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIlA0sX)
HNNGH! So feeling the error of my ways in not getting a HHKB plate, and not getting blue. Anyone have a HHKB plate they'd like to trade for an Infinity plate?
Post by: njbair on Wed, 06 January 2016, 20:22:54
I just barely made it myself. I originally ordered two kits, but spent the rest of the buy window debating a third one in HHKB with blue powder coat. I ended up adding one to my order right at the end of the buy, and as it happens it was the first one I chose to assemble.Alps twins!Show ImageQuiet Clicks are underrated IMO. Probably because they are "clones." But I would say they are tied with Zealios for the best-feeling switches currently in production. When you factor in the fact that they are cheaper than Zealios and that buying old switches is always a gamble, they are probably the safest bet these days.
Just got my stuff today and I was just thinking how similar the Quit Clicks felt to my Zealios. Perfect for me as they are my favored switches at the moment.
My pcb had been tested and the plate is nice and heavy and very... blue :cool: I'd say shockingly blue even at first. The stabs seem tight and rattle-y, but maybe some lube will help. I was going to put on these cheapo double-shots until I realized the spacebar wouldn't fit the hhkb laybout, and Alps keycap are tight as f***. Seriously, I'd rather put on Alpine Winter in the first place and then pray I never have to take it off.
(http://i.imgur.com/qV8hZval.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qV8hZva)
(http://i.imgur.com/HIlA0sXl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIlA0sX)
HNNGH! So feeling the error of my ways in not getting a HHKB plate, and not getting blue. Anyone have a HHKB plate they'd like to trade for an Infinity plate?
Post by: xauser on Thu, 07 January 2016, 04:31:05
Post by: Tyr on Thu, 07 January 2016, 06:53:12
Alps twins!
Yay ! You are a man of impeccable taste ;D
Edit: Haven't thanked BlueNalgene yet for a super job running this GB. Thanks ! Everything was very well packed too, and declared to avoid import tax. Super great. :thumb:
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 07 January 2016, 07:00:15
Big thanks to Blue once again for this GB. :thumb:
Post by: sth on Thu, 07 January 2016, 08:29:38
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 07 January 2016, 09:27:57
My goodness I am kicking myself for not getting a painted plate.
+1 Same here. I don't know what I was thinking.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Thu, 07 January 2016, 11:53:57
My goodness I am kicking myself for not getting a painted plate.
+1 Same here. I don't know what I was thinking.
I know what I was thinking, 25usd I can't afford :p
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 07 January 2016, 12:09:55
I hope this is the only one.
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 07 January 2016, 12:15:50
A moment of silence for an anonymous INTL participant. The package did not make it to him intact, and his plate did not arrive. :(
I hope this is the only one.
Damn that sucks. Sorry to hear that.
(http://i.giphy.com/ToMjGplxKnHKanBqb72.gif)
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 07 January 2016, 12:30:54
Delivered to the wrong effing Post Office of course, but at least I got it in the end ;)
Saturday is the day for building :)
Post by: ShadeDream on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:24:41
...and Alps keycap are tight as f***. Seriously, I'd rather put on Alpine Winter in the first place and then pray I never have to take it off.
My AEK caps are very tight as well... had to remove the space bar because the little round peg stabilizer doesn't like to stay in the plate and the backspace key because I somehow missed the catch on the cap for the stab bar and it was making a lot of noise. Was a bit nerve-racking pulling that spacebar back off...
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 January 2016, 14:04:46
A moment of silence for an anonymous INTL participant. The package did not make it to him intact, and his plate did not arrive. :(
I hope this is the only one.
Damn that sucks. Sorry to hear that.Show Image(http://i.giphy.com/ToMjGplxKnHKanBqb72.gif)
(https://49.media.tumblr.com/b30e951cc688293950d7db80dfd83140/tumblr_mku6266ycG1s5ty3yo1_500.gif)
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 07 January 2016, 14:13:08
A moment of silence for an anonymous INTL participant. The package did not make it to him intact, and his plate did not arrive. :(
I hope this is the only one.
Damn that sucks. Sorry to hear that.Show Image(http://i.giphy.com/ToMjGplxKnHKanBqb72.gif)Show Image(https://49.media.tumblr.com/b30e951cc688293950d7db80dfd83140/tumblr_mku6266ycG1s5ty3yo1_500.gif)
:'(
(http://media.giphy.com/media/GJVpbMjfT2Ftm/giphy.gif)
Post by: MAR82 on Thu, 07 January 2016, 15:39:14
Am also having issues with the Matias stabiizers - the right shift wire seems to be too short for where the clips are mounted in the plate. Anyone had success bending this one to fit? I haven't even tried to see if it works with the keycap yet, I need to solder my diodes first. Just playing around with the setup.
I'm having the same issue
(http://i.imgur.com/hktSD0H.jpg)
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 07 January 2016, 16:08:50
A moment of silence for an anonymous INTL participant. The package did not make it to him intact, and his plate did not arrive. :(
I hope this is the only one.
F
Am also having issues with the Matias stabiizers - the right shift wire seems to be too short for where the clips are mounted in the plate. Anyone had success bending this one to fit? I haven't even tried to see if it works with the keycap yet, I need to solder my diodes first. Just playing around with the setup.
I'm having the same issueShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/hktSD0H.jpg)
If you've got a donor board, you could use the stab wire from that. That's what I ended up doing.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 07 January 2016, 17:54:55
Am also having issues with the Matias stabiizers - the right shift wire seems to be too short for where the clips are mounted in the plate. Anyone had success bending this one to fit? I haven't even tried to see if it works with the keycap yet, I need to solder my diodes first. Just playing around with the setup.
I'm having the same issueShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/hktSD0H.jpg)
I had that issue with the KBParadise V60 board Matias board and tried to use it with Badwrench's modifier set. My solution was buying Hacker layouts when I had the opportunity.
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:17:35
Post by: njbair on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:18:27
How do you guys get those stab inserts into the plate from the top? Do you attach them to the stab wire first?Tweezers.
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:21:10
How do you guys get those stab inserts into the plate from the top? Do you attach them to the stab wire first?Tweezers.
I place the front...hook inside the plate while holding them with tweezers, then force the back of the insert down with a small flathead screwdriver.
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:24:52
How do you guys get those stab inserts into the plate from the top? Do you attach them to the stab wire first?Tweezers.
I place the front...hook inside the plate while holding them with tweezers, then force the back of the insert down with a small flathead screwdriver.
That did it, thanks mang!
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:27:29
As far as I know, there isn't anywhere around me that does powdercoating....how janky is spray paint gonna be? How likely will I be to jack up the tolerances for mounting the switches. Anyone got ideas on how to proceed?
Post by: sean on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:33:33
So given that I now realize I was a dope for not getting a blue plate - does anyone have suggestions on how to make one blue?
As far as I know, there isn't anywhere around me that does powdercoating....how janky is spray paint gonna be? How likely will I be to jack up the tolerances for mounting the switches. Anyone got ideas on how to proceed?
Plenty of people have spray painted their plates. On the off chance you mess up tolerances you have plenty of options to sand or file the mounts.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:34:08
So given that I now realize I was a dope for not getting a blue plate - does anyone have suggestions on how to make one blue?You need to apply a coat of primer first, paint doesn't stick well when used directly over metal. And you can tape the parts of the plate where dimensions are crucial before applying primer/paint.
As far as I know, there isn't anywhere around me that does powdercoating....how janky is spray paint gonna be? How likely will I be to jack up the tolerances for mounting the switches. Anyone got ideas on how to proceed?
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:36:50
So given that I now realize I was a dope for not getting a blue plate - does anyone have suggestions on how to make one blue?You need to apply a coat of primer first, paint doesn't stick well when used directly over metal. And you can tape the parts of the plate where dimensions are crucial before applying primer/paint.
As far as I know, there isn't anywhere around me that does powdercoating....how janky is spray paint gonna be? How likely will I be to jack up the tolerances for mounting the switches. Anyone got ideas on how to proceed?
Primer, naturally. I suppose'd just tape over the switch holes...that might be tedious, but probably worth it.
I know some people sand before painting? I suppose I'll need to do that. Any notion of how coarse I'll want?
I've also read that some folks apply an enamel or clear coat after paint...assuming I've taped off the switch holes, I'll probably want to do that as well, neh?
Post by: njbair on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:40:14
With the brushed surface of these plates, I'm wondering if you would need to bother sanding first. You also don't really need to worry about painting the bottom, unless you really want to, since it will likely be hidden inside the case.So given that I now realize I was a dope for not getting a blue plate - does anyone have suggestions on how to make one blue?You need to apply a coat of primer first, paint doesn't stick well when used directly over metal. And you can tape the parts of the plate where dimensions are crucial before applying primer/paint.
As far as I know, there isn't anywhere around me that does powdercoating....how janky is spray paint gonna be? How likely will I be to jack up the tolerances for mounting the switches. Anyone got ideas on how to proceed?
Primer, naturally. I suppose'd just tape over the switch holes...that might be tedious, but probably worth it.
I know some people sand before painting? I suppose I'll need to do that. Any notion of how coarse I'll want?
I've also read that some folks apply an enamel or clear coat after paint...assuming I've taped off the switch holes, I'll probably want to do that as well, neh?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 January 2016, 20:43:57
Am also having issues with the Matias stabiizers - the right shift wire seems to be too short for where the clips are mounted in the plate. Anyone had success bending this one to fit? I haven't even tried to see if it works with the keycap yet, I need to solder my diodes first. Just playing around with the setup.
I'm having the same issueShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/hktSD0H.jpg)
If the matias 2.75x stab wire is the correct length for the right shift key on the Dell layout then I think we can just cut a small notch out of the plastic on either side of the stab mounts and it should be fine.
(http://i.imgur.com/snnBMSs.png)
Post by: crazystu on Fri, 08 January 2016, 01:22:27
Am also having issues with the Matias stabiizers - the right shift wire seems to be too short for where the clips are mounted in the plate. Anyone had success bending this one to fit? I haven't even tried to see if it works with the keycap yet, I need to solder my diodes first. Just playing around with the setup.I have this problem as well, will try and gently file down the clips when I get a chance. Sorry to hear about the international package, mine arrived to New Zealand in great shape.
Thanks for the GB BlueNalgene.
Post by: rand77 on Fri, 08 January 2016, 01:42:44
I do have a few questions regarding the assembly:
1. I am placing the diodes at the bottom, but do you guys apply the solder at the bottom side of the PCB (right on the legs of the diode), or from the top side (like a typical thru hold component)? I think if I solder them from the top side (like a typical thru hold component) it will create small bumps which interfere and raise the plate off the PCB?
2. Do I need to be careful with the diodes being shorted by aluminum cases (the TEX case I have is anodized and shouldn't conductive). I can order SOD123 diodes and have access to a hot air rework station if it makes things easier / more elegant.
I'll report back with pics once its all assembled this weekend.
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 08 January 2016, 01:46:16
My kit arrived at my doorstep in Canada earlier this week :)
I do have a few questions regarding the assembly:
1. Do you guys solder the diodes from the bottom side of the PCB, or from the top side? I think if I solder them from the top side (like a typical thru hold component) it will create small bumps which interfere and raise the plate off the PCB?
2. Do I need to be careful with the diodes being shorted by aluminum cases (the TEX case I have is anodized and shouldn't conductive). I can order SOD123 diodes and have access to a hot air rework station if it makes things easier / more elegant.
I'll report back with pics once its all assembled this weekend.
The board is designed for the diodes to be on the bottom, although it is possible to solder them on top. Hasu recommends soldering from bottom.
It's possible to experience shorts with an aluminum case. I had shorts with my TEX case, but I resolved it by insulating the case with electrical tape.
Post by: rand77 on Fri, 08 January 2016, 01:56:34
Just to to clarify, of course I will place the diodes on the bottom of the PCB. However, should I apply solder at the bottom, or from the top side (as its usually done with thru hole)?
My kit arrived at my doorstep in Canada earlier this week :)
I do have a few questions regarding the assembly:
1. Do you guys solder the diodes from the bottom side of the PCB, or from the top side? I think if I solder them from the top side (like a typical thru hold component) it will create small bumps which interfere and raise the plate off the PCB?
2. Do I need to be careful with the diodes being shorted by aluminum cases (the TEX case I have is anodized and shouldn't conductive). I can order SOD123 diodes and have access to a hot air rework station if it makes things easier / more elegant.
I'll report back with pics once its all assembled this weekend.
The board is designed for the diodes to be on the bottom, although it is possible to solder them on top. Hasu recommends soldering from bottom.
It's possible to experience shorts with an aluminum case. I had shorts with my TEX case, but I resolved it by insulating the case with electrical tape.
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 08 January 2016, 10:29:27
Thanks for the advice! Insulating tape is a great idea.
Just to to clarify, of course I will place the diodes on the bottom of the PCB. However, should I apply solder at the bottom, or from the top side (as its usually done with thru hole)?
The top.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 08 January 2016, 14:11:46
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 08 January 2016, 15:00:20
JANUARY 2016 GEEK HACK DOUBLE SHOT GROUP BUY (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78489.0)
Post by: phosphoric on Fri, 08 January 2016, 15:09:13
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 08 January 2016, 15:37:52
Pssst, hey Alps fans:
JANUARY 2016 GEEK HACK DOUBLE SHOT GROUP BUY (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78489.0)
CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL
Post by: phosphoric on Fri, 08 January 2016, 16:24:17
does anybody have any idea why the keymap editor (http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html) doesn't generate the hex file of the layout i created? all the hex files are standard ansi layoutnevermind... got it working. if this is an issue for anybody else in the future, it's not a problem with hasu's site - it was my own error. "erase target device memory," and then "program target device memory," and then click "start application."
also, thanks for running this blue. the aek ii that the switches, caps, and stabs were harvested from has a lot more significance because of recent real-life events, and being able to use them every day rather than allowing the original keyboard to collect dust in a closet means a lot
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 08 January 2016, 16:34:13
Post by: phosphoric on Fri, 08 January 2016, 16:37:48
Wooooooooooo! Got mine today!have fun with it! this was the first time i used a soldering iron to solder something and it went without a hitch
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 08 January 2016, 16:43:56
does anybody have any idea why the keymap editor (http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html) doesn't generate the hex file of the layout i created? all the hex files are standard ansi layoutnevermind... got it working. if this is an issue for anybody else in the future, it's not a problem with hasu's site - it was my own error. "erase target device memory," and then "program target device memory," and then click "start application."
also, thanks for running this blue. the aek ii that the switches, caps, and stabs were harvested from has a lot more significance because of recent real-life events, and being able to use them every day rather than allowing the original keyboard to collect dust in a closet means a lot
Glad you found the solution to that problem. I wouldn't have guessed that.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:02:20
I recommend that everyone fork tmk_keyboard on GitHub and add your own custom layouts to that fork. That way you keep a nice history of your own work. I've been doing this since I first started with TMK early last year, and it's been a big help. I even maintain my own section in the README file to remind myself how to build and flash my stuff. Here's a link, in case anyone's interested: http://github.com/njbair/tmk_keyboard
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:09:04
But, seriously blue, what am I meant to do with one stab insert? ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/dP2hrwZ.jpg?1)
lol
Not complaining, you are my Alps hero!
Post by: phosphoric on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:19:54
Mine arrived safely today. I appreciate the packing effort :thumb:that's an alps-mx converter, friend! put it in an alps switch and then attach your favorite mx artisan key
But, seriously blue, what am I meant to do with one stab insert? ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/dP2hrwZ.jpg?1)
lol
Not complaining, you are my Alps hero!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:21:29
Well well well! Seems I missed out on the details of this little extra - can't wait to test that out, cheers Blue!Mine arrived safely today. I appreciate the packing effort :thumb:that's an alps-mx converter, friend! put it in an alps switch and then attach your favorite mx artisan key
But, seriously blue, what am I meant to do with one stab insert? ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/dP2hrwZ.jpg?1)
lol
Not complaining, you are my Alps hero!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:23:44
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 08 January 2016, 17:56:30
Am also having issues with the Matias stabiizers - the right shift wire seems to be too short for where the clips are mounted in the plate. Anyone had success bending this one to fit? I haven't even tried to see if it works with the keycap yet, I need to solder my diodes first. Just playing around with the setup.
I'm having the same issueShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/hktSD0H.jpg)
If the matias 2.75x stab wire is the correct length for the right shift key on the Dell layout then I think we can just cut a small notch out of the plastic on either side of the stab mounts and it should be fine.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/snnBMSs.png)
I bent a wire out of a paper clip. So far so good.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 09 January 2016, 17:25:55
Well well well! Seems I missed out on the details of this little extra - can't wait to test that out, cheers Blue!Mine arrived safely today. I appreciate the packing effort :thumb:that's an alps-mx converter, friend! put it in an alps switch and then attach your favorite mx artisan key
But, seriously blue, what am I meant to do with one stab insert? ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/dP2hrwZ.jpg?1)
lol
Not complaining, you are my Alps hero!
Just be careful when using these as the shapeways stuff isn't that precise
I cracked an MX stem on an SA key but trying to jam it in
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 09 January 2016, 18:49:07
Well well well! Seems I missed out on the details of this little extra - can't wait to test that out, cheers Blue!Mine arrived safely today. I appreciate the packing effort :thumb:that's an alps-mx converter, friend! put it in an alps switch and then attach your favorite mx artisan key
But, seriously blue, what am I meant to do with one stab insert? ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/dP2hrwZ.jpg?1)
lol
Not complaining, you are my Alps hero!
Just be careful when using these as the shapeways stuff isn't that precise
I cracked an MX stem on an SA key but trying to jam it in
AAAAAH OH NO! I fail.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 09 January 2016, 18:51:56
Well well well! Seems I missed out on the details of this little extra - can't wait to test that out, cheers Blue!Mine arrived safely today. I appreciate the packing effort :thumb:that's an alps-mx converter, friend! put it in an alps switch and then attach your favorite mx artisan key
But, seriously blue, what am I meant to do with one stab insert? ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/dP2hrwZ.jpg?1)
lol
Not complaining, you are my Alps hero!
Just be careful when using these as the shapeways stuff isn't that precise
I cracked an MX stem on an SA key but trying to jam it in
AAAAAH OH NO! I fail.
Oh the cap still works fine - just a hairline fracture on the stem! :D
Thanks for including it! It would be great if someone like JTK could start making them seeing as they are already doing mx to topre sliders
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 09 January 2016, 19:08:22
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 09 January 2016, 20:21:47
Oh the cap still works fine - just a hairline fracture on the stem! :D
Thanks for including it! It would be great if someone like JTK could start making them seeing as they are already doing mx to topre sliders
There has been some work by the Deskthority folks (http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/cherry-to-alps-adapters-t4934-90.html#p237195) making an injection molded version. They went through several iterations of 3D printed versions as well. I saw this design while researching the idea for my converter independently. I took the idea of the curvature on the cherry end from this. The hole in the Alps end on mine would probably make them cheaper to produce. Hopefully they make some progress on this, because I think people would really like to use these. If they did this, there would be a lot more control over the size specifications of the part, and they wouldn't need a bit of knife work before use like mine do.
Post by: rand77 on Sat, 09 January 2016, 22:04:42
The following keys are not testing correctly: K35 (~), K34 (tab), K33 (A), K37 (1), K64 (Y), K74 (J), K75 (I), K76 ( 8 ), K77 (9).
I have attached some pictures of EK switch hitter and my soldering job. A couple things that may be important:
** All diodes are showing a voltage drop of ~0.7 , including the keys that are not working
** I have attempted to replace the diodes for K74 (J), K75 (I), K76 ( 8 ), K77 (9) with fresh diodes. I did a poor soldering job in the pictures because I ran out of wick, but the voltage drop tests fine.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 09 January 2016, 22:19:50
Just started assembling and ran into a bit of trouble when testing the diodes (before installing switches). hopefully someone can help me fix it, I bet its something really minor screwing everything up.
The following keys are not testing correctly: K35 (~), K34 (tab), K33 (A), K37 (1), K64 (Y), K74 (J), K75 (I), K76 ( 8 ), K77 (9).
I have attached some pictures of EK switch hitter and my soldering job. A couple things that may be important:
** All diodes are showing a voltage drop of ~0.7 , including the keys that are not working
** I have attempted to replace the diodes for K74 (J), K75 (I), K76 ( 8 ), K77 (9) with fresh diodes. I did a poor soldering job in the pictures because I ran out of wick, but the voltage drop tests fine.
Those are two columns that aren't working right. The matrix designation that hasu uses has the form K(a)(b) where (a) is the matrix column and (b) is the matrix row. I had a similar problem with a column like that. I found it was fixed by 'magic' after I just unsoldered and resoldered the switches. You might have two bad connections. One on each column.
Post by: flabbergast on Sun, 10 January 2016, 08:43:11
I might be blind and missing it, but is there any known issues with the pcb having key chatter? (That's what double/triple/etc presses are called, right?) I've reflowed everything a few times, but I get a handful of keys that like activating a few times per press.This is way more likely to be a switch problem than a PCB problem. You can also adjust the debounce time in TMK, in the file config.h, #define DEBOUNCE. It's normally 5; if you increase this then the firmware will wait more for the keys to settle.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 10 January 2016, 08:59:58
I've found one key on my HHKB build that is chattering. I'm going to try desoldering and replacing that switch, since it's just that one. Hopefully that will fix it.I might be blind and missing it, but is there any known issues with the pcb having key chatter? (That's what double/triple/etc presses are called, right?) I've reflowed everything a few times, but I get a handful of keys that like activating a few times per press.This is way more likely to be a switch problem than a PCB problem. You can also adjust the debounce time in TMK, in the file config.h, #define DEBOUNCE. It's normally 5; if you increase this then the firmware will wait more for the keys to settle.
Post by: digi on Sun, 10 January 2016, 10:52:42
(http://i.imgur.com/rJeY0j4.jpg)
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 10 January 2016, 12:47:55
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 10 January 2016, 12:58:15
How do I install the stabs? I'm sure there's a guide in this thread somewhere, but it's a REALLY long thread...
Put the bottom side of the stab into the plate (from top of plate) then use a screwdriver to jam the top side in, then push down and you'll hear a click. Then put the wire in. I'm sure you know how to install keycaps :p
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 10 January 2016, 12:59:24
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 10 January 2016, 13:05:55
Right, but there are several different pieces, and how do I know what is the top?
The L shaped pieces are stab inserts for bottom of spacebar. The funky little ones are the ones that clip into the plate. The side with the groove is the top side, and the groove is where the stab wire goes. The groove is the lower side of the top and should be at the bottom.
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 10 January 2016, 13:39:16
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 10 January 2016, 14:23:17
for(int i = 0;i>(8+2);i=i+(2/2))
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 10 January 2016, 14:57:22
Post by: njbair on Sun, 10 January 2016, 15:10:54
OK, new problem. TMK this time. KEYMAP() requires 64 arguments, but I've got 61 keys on the board. I tried inserting three TRNS at the end, but that didn't work, it just screwed up my map and made Backspace into Tab...
61 keys, sounds like you're doing an HHKB layout. Do yourself a favor and use my customized keymap_common.h, which includes a KEYMAP_HHKB() macro which only requires 61 arguments: https://github.com/njbair/tmk_keyboard/blob/njbair/keyboard/alps64/keymap_common.h
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 10 January 2016, 15:12:38
OK, new problem. TMK this time. KEYMAP() requires 64 arguments, but I've got 61 keys on the board. I tried inserting three TRNS at the end, but that didn't work, it just screwed up my map and made Backspace into Tab...
The extras need to go in the gaps in the matrix layout. It's different for each PCBs.
If you look at this macro (https://github.com/nathanrosspowell/tmk_keyboard/blob/nathan/keyboard/planck/keymap_common.h) for the planck, you can see where the KC_NO is added for the double sized (2u) space bar which makes a 'gap' in the matrix.
I suggest making a new KEYMAP macro to have the exact amount of inputs that you want (61) and putting in the KC_NO where the gaps are - in the end it's just a wrapper on a 2D array that matches the MATRIX_ROWS X MATRIX_COLS values for your keyboard :thumb:
EDIT: do what njbair says ;D
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 10 January 2016, 15:28:18
However, that doesn't explain why backspace thinks it's a tab-key, tab thinks it's an A and so on down the line...
Post by: njbair on Sun, 10 January 2016, 15:33:46
Nah, it's an AT101W plate, so standard Poker. But I'll try.
However, that doesn't explain why backspace thinks it's a tab-key, tab thinks it's an A and so on down the line...
For AT101W, the extra keys are as follows:
Key #14 on Row 1, which is meant for Infinity/HHKB layouts. You want to set this to NO and set key #15 to BSPC.
Key #2 on Row 4, which is the ISO backslash position. Set this to NO and move on to Z,X,C,V or whatever comes next.
Key #14 on Row 4, which is the Fn key for Infinity/HHKB layouts. Set this to NO and move on to the next line.
You can do all this right in your keymap, or make a new KEYMAP_ANSI() macro if you are feeling adventurous. If I get bored here I might just do that for you.
EDIT: See if this works: https://github.com/njbair/tmk_keyboard/blob/njbair/keyboard/alps64/keymap_common.h
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 10 January 2016, 15:49:52
Turns out backspace, like 1, doesn't trigger. My macros and layers don't work either, but that's secondary.
Post by: nickheller on Sun, 10 January 2016, 21:53:29
(http://i.imgur.com/q2Y81iH.jpg)
Post by: Badwrench on Sun, 10 January 2016, 22:36:27
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.msg1917032#msg1917032 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.msg1917032#msg1917032)
I hope this helps some of you.
Post by: digi on Mon, 11 January 2016, 15:17:18
For those of you using the matias/alps stab wires and clips with any of the SP sets (my modifier pack or Alpine winter), here are the specs for the right shift wire. These were the specs I used for mounting my set on a V60.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.msg1917032#msg1917032 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.msg1917032#msg1917032)
I hope this helps some of you.
Thanks Badwrencher!
Post by: henz on Mon, 11 January 2016, 16:18:42
If a 7u wire is what you need I have one, you can have it. Let me know.
How does the 7u wire look? Does it wrap back around from the outside? This one seems to go into the stablizer inserts from the inside.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vjn2SXV.jpg)
I have one of these as well , how did you get your spacebar stabilized?
Post by: ika on Mon, 11 January 2016, 17:49:38
notched out either side of the little plastic stab inserts and now the 2.75x matias stab wire fits fine :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/rJeY0j4.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/rJeY0j4.jpg)
Thanks digi, this worked for me! Instead of using an Xacto knife and potentially losing my precious fingers with which I use to type, I used my flush cutters instead, and they sliced through the soft plastic clips just fine. Got everything soldered and installed within an hour or two! Featuring Taihao Dolch, Matias quiet click, cheap plastic case from aliexpress, and some bonus alps caps from bcredbottle!
(http://i.imgur.com/8PMcq3j.jpg)
http://imgur.com/a/L2ZhQ (http://imgur.com/a/L2ZhQ)
Post by: digi on Mon, 11 January 2016, 17:51:55
notched out either side of the little plastic stab inserts and now the 2.75x matias stab wire fits fine :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/rJeY0j4.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/rJeY0j4.jpg)
Thanks digi, this worked for me! Instead of using an Xacto knife and potentially losing my precious fingers with which I use to type, I used my flush cutters instead, and they sliced through the soft plastic clips just fine. Got everything soldered and installed within an hour or two! Featuring Taihao Dolch, cheap plastic case from aliexpress, and some bonus alps caps from bcredbottle!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8PMcq3j.jpg)
http://imgur.com/a/L2ZhQ
Cool man! Glad you got it working, nice build :)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 11 January 2016, 19:23:18
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 11 January 2016, 19:56:52
What size of solder should I be using? Leaded or unleaded?
Either one will work. Lead-free requires higher temperature to work with. I guess you have to be a little more careful not to lift the pads but I can't imagine it's that much more of a risk. See this (https://www.paceworldwide.com/pacenter/soldering/lead-free-vs.-leaded-solder) for more info.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 11 January 2016, 19:57:41
What size of solder should I be using? Leaded or unleaded?Leaded is easier to work with. The only reason not to use leaded solder is the environmental concern, which is negligible for hobbyists. I like 0.06" for keyboard work. Any smaller is too flimsy and takes too long to flow into the larger solder points.
Here's what I'm using lately: Alpha Fry AT-31604 60-40 Rosin Core Solder (4 Ounces) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00030AP48/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_IUfLwb72QEE39
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 11 January 2016, 19:58:10
What size of solder should I be using? Leaded or unleaded?
Either one will work. Lead-free requires higher temperature to work with. I guess you have to be a little more careful not to lift the pads but I can't imagine it's that much more of a risk. See this (https://www.paceworldwide.com/pacenter/soldering/lead-free-vs.-leaded-solder) for more info.
Edit: thanks njbair, I'll grab something like that.
Post by: ika on Mon, 11 January 2016, 20:22:54
What size of solder should I be using? Leaded or unleaded?Leaded is easier to work with. The only reason not to use leaded solder is the environmental concern, which is negligible for hobbyists. I like 0.06" for keyboard work. Any smaller is too flimsy and takes too long to flow into the larger solder points.
Here's what I'm using lately: Alpha Fry AT-31604 60-40 Rosin Core Solder (4 Ounces) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00030AP48/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_IUfLwb72QEE39
0.06"? I'm using 0.031" and I was considering getting a smaller diameter to work with SMD controllers. I would hate to go any thicker for SMD work. YMMV.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 11 January 2016, 20:26:50
For SMD, sure you want smaller. But you'll be there all day trying to solder key switches with .032".What size of solder should I be using? Leaded or unleaded?Leaded is easier to work with. The only reason not to use leaded solder is the environmental concern, which is negligible for hobbyists. I like 0.06" for keyboard work. Any smaller is too flimsy and takes too long to flow into the larger solder points.
Here's what I'm using lately: Alpha Fry AT-31604 60-40 Rosin Core Solder (4 Ounces) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00030AP48/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_IUfLwb72QEE39
0.06"? I'm using 0.031" and I was considering getting a smaller diameter to work with SMD controllers. I would hate to go any thicker for SMD work. YMMV.
Post by: digi on Mon, 11 January 2016, 20:39:37
Post by: Pikly on Mon, 11 January 2016, 20:53:47
I used white ALPS from a DATADESK MAC 101E keyboard, with keycaps from an AEK II until Alpine Winter comes. Case is a Lambo 60% by iQunix obtained from Massdrop. Programming was a breeze with the online tool, much easier than messing with the TMK in my linux virtual machine (though satisfying to compile your own firmware using TMK, it is a bit of a hassle).
The only thing I'm not completely satisfied with is the space bar sound, it makes quite a racket. I ended up using some adhesive pads for sticking things to walls to try and dampen the downstroke; it's much better now, but I think the space bar is still rubbing a little on the case. Once Alpine Winter comes I'll look into it more, possibly flipping the space bar could help.
(http://i.imgur.com/QyQJRc8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VGH1WdD.jpg)
Some more pictures here of the build process if anyone's interested: http://imgur.com/a/MC54R (http://imgur.com/a/MC54R)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 11 January 2016, 21:15:07
Took me a while to get to building, but it was worth the wait!
I used white ALPS from a DATADESK MAC 101E keyboard, with keycaps from an AEK II until Alpine Winter comes. Case is a Lambo 60% by iQunix obtained from Massdrop. Programming was a breeze with the online tool, much easier than messing with the TMK in my linux virtual machine (though satisfying to compile your own firmware using TMK, it is a bit of a hassle).
The only thing I'm not completely satisfied with is the space bar sound, it makes quite a racket. I ended up using some adhesive pads for sticking things to walls to try and dampen the downstroke; it's much better now, but I think the space bar is still rubbing a little on the case. Once Alpine Winter comes I'll look into it more, possibly flipping the space bar could help.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QyQJRc8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VGH1WdD.jpg)
Some more pictures here of the build process if anyone's interested: http://imgur.com/a/MC54R (http://imgur.com/a/MC54R)
I think it looks pretty awesome with the Apple caps, but Alpine Winter will look even better :thumb:
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 11 January 2016, 23:40:56
Post by: sean on Mon, 11 January 2016, 23:52:59
I got some 0.05 and some 0.032 solder from a friend. Hope it works :)
The first ever thing I soldered was an Alps64 with a $15 soldering iron so don't sweat it too much. As it turns out soldering is really easy. (just make sure you have good ventilation if you are using leaded solder.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 11 January 2016, 23:57:29
I got some 0.05 and some 0.032 solder from a friend. Hope it works :)
The first ever thing I soldered was an Alps64 with a $15 soldering iron so don't sweat it too much. As it turns out soldering is really easy. (just make sure you have good ventilation if you are using leaded solder.
You can't easily get leaded solder in Canada :/ I got a nice iron on loan from a friend as well. also, my 0.05 solder is 97/3.....
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 11 January 2016, 23:58:58
I got some 0.05 and some 0.032 solder from a friend. Hope it works :)
The first ever thing I soldered was an Alps64 with a $15 soldering iron so don't sweat it too much. As it turns out soldering is really easy. (just make sure you have good ventilation if you are using leaded solder.
High five! My first solder job was an Alps64 too! My lust for a smaller version of the AEKII I found at work was the catalyst for getting me into this hobby, actually.
No ragrets!
Post by: henz on Tue, 12 January 2016, 04:04:56
Post by: n__dles on Tue, 12 January 2016, 19:52:25
(http://i.imgur.com/fjWaJp6.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/tiyi0Ox.jpg)
I went with the shiny, sunfaded alphas because they're thicker than the Tai Haos. Even though I prefer ziptyze's case, green didn't fit with the creamy, olivetti, badwrench-y color scheme. Poker II case for now.
I managed to fractured a few of the stabilizer inserts in the caps putting in the Matias stab hangers (sorry about the terminology). Anyone else have trouble with them?
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 12 January 2016, 20:42:31
I'm pretty sure I've got a contender for ugliest kb of the litter!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fjWaJp6.jpg?1)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tiyi0Ox.jpg)
I went with the shiny, sunfaded alphas because they're thicker than the Tai Haos. Even though I prefer ziptyze's case, green didn't fit with the creamy, olivetti, badwrench-y color scheme. Poker II case for now.
I managed to fractured a few of the stabilizer inserts in the caps putting in the Matias stab hangers (sorry about the terminology). Anyone else have trouble with them?
Lol! I love this keyboard. It's such a hobbyist's keyboard :)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 13 January 2016, 14:52:10
And I got an elephant. :P
Pics only on Saturday, when I will have time to solder the PCB.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 13 January 2016, 16:07:22
The package finally arrived from the shipping forwarder company. The plate have some sharp burrs (is that the correct word?) that will need to be filed down, but everything looks fine.
And I got an elephant. :P
Pics only on Saturday, when I will have time to solder the PCB.
Yes burr is the correct word. I'm glad everything made it to you ok, you elephant winning lucky dog you.
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 13 January 2016, 17:29:31
I got some 0.05 and some 0.032 solder from a friend. Hope it works :)
The first ever thing I soldered was an Alps64 with a $15 soldering iron so don't sweat it too much. As it turns out soldering is really easy. (just make sure you have good ventilation if you are using leaded solder.
High five! My first solder job was an Alps64 too! My lust for a smaller version of the AEKII I found at work was the catalyst for getting me into this hobby, actually.
No ragrets!
oh yeah, i was definitely surprised at how easy it was to solder - spent a couple weeks researching techniques and reading up on various keyboard soldering guides, only to find out that it was so much easier than expected. desoldering, on the other hand, is such a humongous pain in the ass, but it may just be because i'm using a $5 desoldering pump my friend bought from radioshack. is there any way to get solder out of a pth with desoldering braid?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 13 January 2016, 17:38:50
Moreis there any way to get solder out of a pth with desoldering braid?I got some 0.05 and some 0.032 solder from a friend. Hope it works :)
The first ever thing I soldered was an Alps64 with a $15 soldering iron so don't sweat it too much. As it turns out soldering is really easy. (just make sure you have good ventilation if you are using leaded solder.
High five! My first solder job was an Alps64 too! My lust for a smaller version of the AEKII I found at work was the catalyst for getting me into this hobby, actually.
No ragrets!
oh yeah, i was definitely surprised at how easy it was to solder - spent a couple weeks researching techniques and reading up on various keyboard soldering guides, only to find out that it was so much easier than expected. desoldering, on the other hand, is such a humongous pain in the ass, but it may just be because i'm using a $5 desoldering pump my friend bought from radioshack.
What I would recommend with through-hole soldered connection is to use both the pump and braid. First, tin your soldering iron with some fresh solder (leaded if possible). Apply heat and suck out the solder in the hole. This should get most of it. Then you move on to the braid. For this step, tin your iron again, and then wipe it. You want to have flux on the tip so that everything heats well. Place the braid over the hole and apply the tip to the area of interest. Don't 'poke' the tip into the hole to get the solder out. What you want is to apply even heat from the side of the iron, and allow the flux to heat everything and draw it towards the iron.
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:13:34
Moreis there any way to get solder out of a pth with desoldering braid?I got some 0.05 and some 0.032 solder from a friend. Hope it works :)
The first ever thing I soldered was an Alps64 with a $15 soldering iron so don't sweat it too much. As it turns out soldering is really easy. (just make sure you have good ventilation if you are using leaded solder.
High five! My first solder job was an Alps64 too! My lust for a smaller version of the AEKII I found at work was the catalyst for getting me into this hobby, actually.
No ragrets!
oh yeah, i was definitely surprised at how easy it was to solder - spent a couple weeks researching techniques and reading up on various keyboard soldering guides, only to find out that it was so much easier than expected. desoldering, on the other hand, is such a humongous pain in the ass, but it may just be because i'm using a $5 desoldering pump my friend bought from radioshack.
What I would recommend with through-hole soldered connection is to use both the pump and braid. First, tin your soldering iron with some fresh solder (leaded if possible). Apply heat and suck out the solder in the hole. This should get most of it. Then you move on to the braid. For this step, tin your iron again, and then wipe it. You want to have flux on the tip so that everything heats well. Place the braid over the hole and apply the tip to the area of interest. Don't 'poke' the tip into the hole to get the solder out. What you want is to apply even heat from the side of the iron, and allow the flux to heat everything and draw it towards the iron.
i have some rosin flux - could i coat my soldering iron with that and then do the method you described? does the attractive properties of the flux work well enough to defy the solder's pull towards gravity? thanks for the tip. :))
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:52:29
Moreis there any way to get solder out of a pth with desoldering braid?I got some 0.05 and some 0.032 solder from a friend. Hope it works :)
The first ever thing I soldered was an Alps64 with a $15 soldering iron so don't sweat it too much. As it turns out soldering is really easy. (just make sure you have good ventilation if you are using leaded solder.
High five! My first solder job was an Alps64 too! My lust for a smaller version of the AEKII I found at work was the catalyst for getting me into this hobby, actually.
No ragrets!
oh yeah, i was definitely surprised at how easy it was to solder - spent a couple weeks researching techniques and reading up on various keyboard soldering guides, only to find out that it was so much easier than expected. desoldering, on the other hand, is such a humongous pain in the ass, but it may just be because i'm using a $5 desoldering pump my friend bought from radioshack.
What I would recommend with through-hole soldered connection is to use both the pump and braid. First, tin your soldering iron with some fresh solder (leaded if possible). Apply heat and suck out the solder in the hole. This should get most of it. Then you move on to the braid. For this step, tin your iron again, and then wipe it. You want to have flux on the tip so that everything heats well. Place the braid over the hole and apply the tip to the area of interest. Don't 'poke' the tip into the hole to get the solder out. What you want is to apply even heat from the side of the iron, and allow the flux to heat everything and draw it towards the iron.
i have some rosin flux - could i coat my soldering iron with that and then do the method you described? does the attractive properties of the flux work well enough to defy the solder's pull towards gravity? thanks for the tip. :))
Pure flux will help some. Don't use too much, or it will make a mess.
Gravity shouldn't be an issue. Solder will preferentially a material with high thermal conductivity like copper or gold. The braid works by capillary action, soaking up the liquefied metal through channels. Think of it like a puddle. If you make a puddle with a gallon of water over an area of 1 sq. foot, then you will have a puddle that has a reasonable thickness. If you make a puddle with a gallon of water over an area of 100 sq. feet, then the layer of water will be really really thin. What you are doing with the wick is providing a really large surface for your solder 'puddle'. This coupled with the solder preferring the copper of the wick to overcome little annoyances like gravity.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:55:52
If you are serious about the hobby and intend on building and modding yours boards in the future I would highly recommend getting one - you can FULLY desolder a joint in <10 seconds whereas I struggled to do one joint in less than a minute with braid and/or the crappy suction pumps that come with many soldering kits
Post by: Pikly on Wed, 13 January 2016, 20:20:28
I struggled and struggled with desoldering until I bought a proper desoldering gun
If you are serious about the hobby and intend on building and modding yours boards in the future I would highly recommend getting one - you can FULLY desolder a joint in <10 seconds whereas I struggled to do one joint in less than a minute with braid and/or the crappy suction pumps that come with many soldering kits
I second this. I originally was going to use a desoldering braid, but quickly opted to use the desoldering station at work after trying to desolder one switch. The station at work had a soldering nozzle that melted the solder and then sucked it in with a pump. Literally less than 5 seconds for each pin, was so much easier.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 13 January 2016, 21:13:58
Now I have to clean them, which I'm not looking forward to. Is it best to get inside every one? The board was very dirty, but I have no lube, so I'm not sure what I would do once I got them open.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 14 January 2016, 06:07:33
I effed up on the 1 key, and had to desolder it. (Only one of the leads from the switch was in the hole, the other had folded and was stuck between the PCB and the switch housing).
Only now the switch doesn't register after I replaced it. I think I simply tore out the 'cable' around the hole.
So, how do I fix this? I can think of two options, neither of which sound like fun, but I am NOT giving up!
Option 1: Use one of the three free switch positions for KC_1 in the keymap, and put a cable between the leads of the switch and the new position.
Option 2: Somehow redo the original trace on the PCB, or at least replace the connection with something else - just a copper wire?
Post by: phosphoric on Thu, 14 January 2016, 09:58:36
I struggled and struggled with desoldering until I bought a proper desoldering gun
If you are serious about the hobby and intend on building and modding yours boards in the future I would highly recommend getting one - you can FULLY desolder a joint in <10 seconds whereas I struggled to do one joint in less than a minute with braid and/or the crappy suction pumps that come with many soldering kits
I second this. I originally was going to use a desoldering braid, but quickly opted to use the desoldering station at work after trying to desolder one switch. The station at work had a soldering nozzle that melted the solder and then sucked it in with a pump. Literally less than 5 seconds for each pin, was so much easier.
i considered getting on briefly after seeing these posts, but after googling prices... is there a budget one you would recommend, swimmingbird?
Post by: flabbergast on Thu, 14 January 2016, 10:21:37
I asked in the simple questions topic as well, but here goes:You should first diagnose where the problem is exactly. That means checking the connections with a multimeter: is there a connection between:
I effed up on the 1 key, and had to desolder it. (Only one of the leads from the switch was in the hole, the other had folded and was stuck between the PCB and the switch housing).
Only now the switch doesn't register after I replaced it. I think I simply tore out the 'cable' around the hole.
So, how do I fix this? I can think of two options, neither of which sound like fun, but I am NOT giving up!
Option 1: Use one of the three free switch positions for KC_1 in the keymap, and put a cable between the leads of the switch and the new position.
Option 2: Somehow redo the original trace on the PCB, or at least replace the connection with something else - just a copper wire?
a) one pin and the appropriate diode pad?
b) the other pin and the appropriate row (or column, I don't know how did hasu design it). {You can find out what's "appropriate" by checking the neighbouring key connections with the multimeter.}
When you find which of the connections is problematic, you can just replace it by soldering a wire to the switch pin on one end, and to the appropriate place on the other end.
EDIT: If you don't have a multimeter, you can use hasu's "tweezers method": https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 14 January 2016, 10:40:30
Edit: Tweezers are for wimps, I did it with a length of solder and a can of beer. The beer is optional.
Edit2: Success! The break was between the solderpoint for the diode and the solderpoint for the switch, so I just put in a new diode directly.
Thanks, Flabber!
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 14 January 2016, 10:56:53
You can build your own! (http://hackaday.com/2013/11/11/build-your-own-desoldering-station-on-the-cheap/)I struggled and struggled with desoldering until I bought a proper desoldering gun
If you are serious about the hobby and intend on building and modding yours boards in the future I would highly recommend getting one - you can FULLY desolder a joint in <10 seconds whereas I struggled to do one joint in less than a minute with braid and/or the crappy suction pumps that come with many soldering kits
I second this. I originally was going to use a desoldering braid, but quickly opted to use the desoldering station at work after trying to desolder one switch. The station at work had a soldering nozzle that melted the solder and then sucked it in with a pump. Literally less than 5 seconds for each pin, was so much easier.
i considered getting on briefly after seeing these posts, but after googling prices... is there a budget one you would recommend, swimmingbird?
Post by: phosphoric on Thu, 14 January 2016, 13:09:47
You can build your own! (http://hackaday.com/2013/11/11/build-your-own-desoldering-station-on-the-cheap/)I struggled and struggled with desoldering until I bought a proper desoldering gun
If you are serious about the hobby and intend on building and modding yours boards in the future I would highly recommend getting one - you can FULLY desolder a joint in <10 seconds whereas I struggled to do one joint in less than a minute with braid and/or the crappy suction pumps that come with many soldering kits
I second this. I originally was going to use a desoldering braid, but quickly opted to use the desoldering station at work after trying to desolder one switch. The station at work had a soldering nozzle that melted the solder and then sucked it in with a pump. Literally less than 5 seconds for each pin, was so much easier.
i considered getting on briefly after seeing these posts, but after googling prices... is there a budget one you would recommend, swimmingbird?
oh god... i wish but i have none of the parts and the sound is deafening. i was thinking of picking this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MJMXD4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00) up; saw it in another thread. does anybody have any experience with it?
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 15 January 2016, 03:08:25
Blue Nalgene rocks!
Having specific plates for each layout makes building SOOOO much easier, even if it makes it more difficult to choose.
Diodes are fiddly as ****!
Quiet Clicks are MUCH better than Clicks.
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 15 January 2016, 15:37:50
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 15 January 2016, 15:50:34
I already built mine and I am happy, but I'm already ready for more haha.
Seconded here. Maybe a couple of us need to band together and open up an Alps/Matias DIY webstore.
Post by: phosphoric on Fri, 15 January 2016, 16:47:34
I already built mine and I am happy, but I'm already ready for more haha.
Seconded here. Maybe a couple of us need to band together and open up an Alps/Matias DIY webstore.
the custom keyboard bug has bit me... i wanna make another keyboard
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 15 January 2016, 16:49:59
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 15 January 2016, 16:52:10
I already built mine and I am happy, but I'm already ready for more haha.
Seconded here. Maybe a couple of us need to band together and open up an Alps/Matias DIY webstore.
That is not a bad idea. I live about an hour away from Signature Plastics so if anything I could probably get keycaps much easier. Plates, switches, PCBs are another story.
Post by: sean on Fri, 15 January 2016, 17:08:02
What temp should I use? I picked up some 1.2mm (0.05) 60/40 leaded solder
The max temp on my soldering iron is only 400F and that worked fine. 600F-700F (~350C) is more what you're looking for.
Post by: phosphoric on Fri, 15 January 2016, 17:19:45
does anybody have any idea why the keymap editor (http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html) doesn't generate the hex file of the layout i created? all the hex files are standard ansi layoutnevermind... got it working. if this is an issue for anybody else in the future, it's not a problem with hasu's site - it was my own error. "erase target device memory," and then "program target device memory," and then click "start application."
also, thanks for running this blue. the aek ii that the switches, caps, and stabs were harvested from has a lot more significance because of recent real-life events, and being able to use them every day rather than allowing the original keyboard to collect dust in a closet means a lot
just kidding. i had to flash new firmware to add some keys and another fn layer, but couldn't get it to work for my life.
i figured it out, again, and the solution is as listed below
note that opening up device manager and keeping an eye on your devices is going to help significantly if you need to troubleshoot the same way i did.
- connect pcb to computer with usb cable and enter programming mode by pressing the button on the bottom of the pcb
- open up flip and select the atmega32u2 under controllers in the button on the far left
- connect to usb by pressing ctrl + u or by selecting the usb icon and choosing usb, and then hit open
- before choosing any firmware using the load .hex button, make sure that you hit run on the bottom left, leaving all four checkboxes checked (erase, blank check, program, verify)
- load your .hex file using the button that has a down arrow into a book
- press "run" again and wait for all four dots to turn green
- press "start application" and check your device manager - if done correctly, the "atmel usb device" listed will disappear and your keyboard should reappear under the keyboards section
i figure that nobody had nearly as much trouble as i did with this - and it certainly seems that way judging from the lack of questions about it, but i'm so new to this and knowing all of this before struggling with trying to get my firmware to work would have been helpful haha.
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 16 January 2016, 12:56:11
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 16 January 2016, 22:44:23
0 = 1-=(backs)
- = 1-=(backs)
o = op]q
caps = (caps)(esc),/
k = ka;(enter)
L = (tab)L'\
m = (lshift)m.(rshift)
, = (esc),'/
lwin = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
menu = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 16 January 2016, 22:51:06
Finished soldering, but some keys are actuating other keys.I'm just gonna take a wild guess that you've got some diodes soldered in backwards.
0 = 1-=(backs)
- = 1-=(backs)
o = op]q
caps = (caps)(esc),/
k = ka;(enter)
L = (tab)L'\
m = (lshift)m.(rshift)
, = (esc),'/
lwin = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
menu = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 16 January 2016, 22:54:26
Finished soldering, but some keys are actuating other keys.I'm just gonna take a wild guess that you've got some diodes soldered in backwards.
0 = 1-=(backs)
- = 1-=(backs)
o = op]q
caps = (caps)(esc),/
k = ka;(enter)
L = (tab)L'\
m = (lshift)m.(rshift)
, = (esc),'/
lwin = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
menu = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
tested the diodes before putting switches in, worked fine -_-
Post by: sean on Sat, 16 January 2016, 22:56:57
Finished soldering, but some keys are actuating other keys.I'm just gonna take a wild guess that you've got some diodes soldered in backwards.
0 = 1-=(backs)
- = 1-=(backs)
o = op]q
caps = (caps)(esc),/
k = ka;(enter)
L = (tab)L'\
m = (lshift)m.(rshift)
, = (esc),'/
lwin = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
menu = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
tested the diodes before putting switches in, worked fine -_-
Did everything work properly work when you tested the diodes? I can't imagine the problem would stem from when you installed the switches.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 16 January 2016, 22:59:11
Finished soldering, but some keys are actuating other keys.I'm just gonna take a wild guess that you've got some diodes soldered in backwards.
0 = 1-=(backs)
- = 1-=(backs)
o = op]q
caps = (caps)(esc),/
k = ka;(enter)
L = (tab)L'\
m = (lshift)m.(rshift)
, = (esc),'/
lwin = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
menu = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
tested the diodes before putting switches in, worked fine -_-
Did everything work properly work when you tested the diodes? I can't imagine the problem would stem from when you installed the switches.
No misspresses with diodes only, it happened with the switches.
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 16 January 2016, 23:01:56
Finished soldering, but some keys are actuating other keys.I'm just gonna take a wild guess that you've got some diodes soldered in backwards.
0 = 1-=(backs)
- = 1-=(backs)
o = op]q
caps = (caps)(esc),/
k = ka;(enter)
L = (tab)L'\
m = (lshift)m.(rshift)
, = (esc),'/
lwin = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
menu = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
tested the diodes before putting switches in, worked fine -_-
Did everything work properly work when you tested the diodes? I can't imagine the problem would stem from when you installed the switches.
No misspresses with diodes only, it happened with the switches.
Shorting on your case? I saw similar behavior with my aluminum Tex until I insulated it.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 16 January 2016, 23:03:51
Finished soldering, but some keys are actuating other keys.I'm just gonna take a wild guess that you've got some diodes soldered in backwards.
0 = 1-=(backs)
- = 1-=(backs)
o = op]q
caps = (caps)(esc),/
k = ka;(enter)
L = (tab)L'\
m = (lshift)m.(rshift)
, = (esc),'/
lwin = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
menu = (lctrl)(ralt)(rwin)(rctrl)
tested the diodes before putting switches in, worked fine -_-
Did everything work properly work when you tested the diodes? I can't imagine the problem would stem from when you installed the switches.
No misspresses with diodes only, it happened with the switches.
Shorting on your case? I saw similar behavior with my aluminum Tex until I insulated it.
Not in a case yet, its on a mousepad
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sat, 16 January 2016, 23:09:53
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 17 January 2016, 10:01:19
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 17 January 2016, 11:30:54
Is there a picture showing how much of the RShift stab thingies to cut?
Just cut off tiny bits and keep testing it, took about half an hour for me. I used a kitchen knife :p
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 17 January 2016, 16:15:56
Post by: Pikly on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:07:12
How do you load your own firmware? Every time I try to connect it wit flip it says "Could not open usb device". And yes, I'm putting it into programming mode.
Check the Device Manager, if the keyboard shows up as an unknown device when you put it into programming mode with the reset button, you'll need to update the driver with the one provided by flip. Here's a guide on doing that: http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy (http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:10:50
IIRC you actually want the 32U2 for hasu's Alps board.How do you load your own firmware? Every time I try to connect it wit flip it says "Could not open usb device". And yes, I'm putting it into programming mode.
Check the Device Manager, if the keyboard shows up as an unknown device when you put it into programming mode with the reset button, you'll need to update the driver with the one provided by flip. Here's a guide on doing that: http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy (http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:12:04
How do you load your own firmware? Every time I try to connect it wit flip it says "Could not open usb device". And yes, I'm putting it into programming mode.
Check the Device Manager, if the keyboard shows up as an unknown device when you put it into programming mode with the reset button, you'll need to update the driver with the one provided by flip. Here's a guide on doing that: http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy (http://imgur.com/a/bnwzy)
Thanks! That did the trick.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:19:32
Post by: njbair on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:58:39
I bent my own spacebar stabilizer wire to go with the Alps-style plate clips and Cherry-style cap clips. It was pretty easy to find the right size after a bit of trial and error. The spacebar works fine, except for a good deal of twist/rotation when the key is pressed down. This is because the Alps-style plate clips don't have nice little guide walls like the Costar-style stab clips do. Most Alps spacebars have that little plunger (a-la AEKII) to laterally stabilize the spacebar, but there's no spot for that on this plate nor the SP spacebar.
I'm still racking my brain trying to think of a solution for this, although I haven't devoted any time to actual testing. Perhaps somebody else has an idea I haven't thought of?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 17 January 2016, 18:03:32
Well since I'm probably the only person with a finished HHKB, including caps, I've got a minor issue to report.
I bent my own spacebar stabilizer wire to go with the Alps-style plate clips and Cherry-style cap clips. It was pretty easy to find the right size after a bit of trial and error. The spacebar works fine, except for a good deal of twist/rotation when the key is pressed down. This is because the Alps-style plate clips don't have nice little guide walls like the Costar-style stab clips do. Most Alps spacebars have that little plunger (a-la AEKII) to laterally stabilize the spacebar, but there's no spot for that on this plate nor the SP spacebar.
I'm still racking my brain trying to think of a solution for this, although I haven't devoted any time to actual testing. Perhaps somebody else has an idea I haven't thought of?
My at101w spacebar does have a lot of "play" to it as well, I havent been able to think about it yet tough, I've been just typing and listening...
Post by: njbair on Sun, 17 January 2016, 18:35:54
In hindsight it might have made sense to have pockets cut for both styles on the plate, although the extra holes would affect the look.Well since I'm probably the only person with a finished HHKB, including caps, I've got a minor issue to report.
I bent my own spacebar stabilizer wire to go with the Alps-style plate clips and Cherry-style cap clips. It was pretty easy to find the right size after a bit of trial and error. The spacebar works fine, except for a good deal of twist/rotation when the key is pressed down. This is because the Alps-style plate clips don't have nice little guide walls like the Costar-style stab clips do. Most Alps spacebars have that little plunger (a-la AEKII) to laterally stabilize the spacebar, but there's no spot for that on this plate nor the SP spacebar.
I'm still racking my brain trying to think of a solution for this, although I haven't devoted any time to actual testing. Perhaps somebody else has an idea I haven't thought of?
My at101w spacebar does have a lot of "play" to it as well, I havent been able to think about it yet tough, I've been just typing and listening...
Post by: braidn on Sun, 17 January 2016, 18:43:07
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sun, 17 January 2016, 18:45:56
Now I need to make a new firmware, but not today.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 17 January 2016, 18:46:58
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 17 January 2016, 19:37:50
Have z-case on order and black/blue cable is on the table behind me partially finished.
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[attachimg=3]
Whatever. Here's my full desk as well.
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 18:23:00
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 18 January 2016, 18:37:54
Nice! What switches are you using and what case is that?
Matias clicks and a case from aliexpress.
Post by: Yoe on Tue, 19 January 2016, 02:31:24
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Probably my most anonymous build so far, but it's nice and portable, so.. I like it :)
Caps and stabs from Dell AT102W, orange Alps from a M0118, replicated Dell plate in stainless steel, case from Aliexpress… aaand the Hasu TMK64 Alps pcb from the party. I do miss my dedicated nav keys, but I'll get used to it.
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 19 January 2016, 02:33:06
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:49:42
Can we get a round 2 of this GB? missed this gb because I don't know that alps is good :'(
This was round 3...
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:51:55
Can we get a round 2 of this GB? missed this gb because I don't know that alps is good :'(
This was round 3...
This was Round 1 for the "Party", no? O.o Round 3 for the PCBs maybe?
Post by: njbair on Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:14:10
Originally in the IC, Blue called this "Alps Party 3 (60%)" but I think the word play was too cumbersome.Can we get a round 2 of this GB? missed this gb because I don't know that alps is good :'(
This was round 3...
This was Round 1 for the "Party", no? O.o Round 3 for the PCBs maybe?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 19 January 2016, 12:50:25
Originally in the IC, Blue called this "Alps Party 3 (60%)" but I think the word play was too cumbersome.
Actually, the "3" was in reference to the TMK PCB and the plate nubbinator did a GB with. Then I learned that when nubbinator's AEKII GB didn't mean "AEK round 2" but actually meant "AEKII round 1", it started breaking down. When I started adding things like switches and stabs to the buy, I just dropped the 3 altogether.
However, this was still the third production round for hasu's PCB.
Anyway, **** it. This is Alps Party not Alps Semantics. Call it whatever you feel like. People will know.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 19 January 2016, 12:52:13
Anyway, **** it. This is Alps Party not Alps Semantics. Call it whatever you feel like. People will know.
Wow, way to be a party pooper.
Here we were, all enjoying the party, talking semantics. But NOOOOO, BN doesn't like that...
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 19 January 2016, 12:53:28
Anyway, **** it. This is Alps Party not Alps Semantics. Call it whatever you feel like. People will know.
Wow, way to be a party pooper.
Here we were, all enjoying the party, talking semantics. But NOOOOO, BN doesn't like that...
Sorry for busting up you're grammar Nazi Party.
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 19 January 2016, 15:44:23
Anyway, **** it. This is Alps Party not Alps Semantics. Call it whatever you feel like. People will know.
Wow, way to be a party pooper.
Here we were, all enjoying the party, talking semantics. But NOOOOO, BN doesn't like that...
In Soviet Alps, group buys you?
Sorry for busting up you're grammar Nazi Party.
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:01:45
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:15:18
So can I buy a set of this? :cool:
I'm afraid this sale is currently over. Your only option at this moment is to try and buy one off of someone else.
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:19:54
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:30:12
Open the round 4 of this with an sp keycaps too haha
But I'm so tired :'(
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:32:14
Nooo OK I will wait. Need some redbull?Open the round 4 of this with an sp keycaps too haha
But I'm so tired :'(
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 20 January 2016, 19:32:27
So what is this keyboard called? If someone (keyboard enthusiast) asks me what it is, what should I say?
"Oh it is an alps64 hasu pcb paired with a bluenalgene plate?"
"Hannibal Keyboard?"
"Crossing the Alps?"
Anyone know?
Post by: manofinterests on Wed, 20 January 2016, 19:35:10
Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 20 January 2016, 19:43:47
I am very happy with my keyboard =). I'll post pics once I have a nicer looking keycap set haha.
So what is this keyboard called? If someone (keyboard enthusiast) asks me what it is, what should I say?
"Oh it is an alps64 hasu pcb paired with a bluenalgene plate?"
"Hannibal Keyboard?"
"Crossing the Alps?"
Anyone know?
Mine was dubbed "Nub" by my friend because of it's size :))
Post by: njbair on Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:12:52
I am very happy with my keyboard =). I'll post pics once I have a nicer looking keycap set haha.I imagine alps64 or just Alps Party, with the layout specified where relevant. For instance:
So what is this keyboard called? If someone (keyboard enthusiast) asks me what it is, what should I say?
"Oh it is an alps64 hasu pcb paired with a bluenalgene plate?"
"Hannibal Keyboard?"
"Crossing the Alps?"
Anyone know?
"My Alps Party HHKB is cooler than your Infinity."
Or
"Your Poker is not as cool as my alps64 ANSI."
Post by: itzmeluigi on Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:28:01
(http://i.imgur.com/WmfGhPM.jpg)
Post by: manofinterests on Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:35:00
Post by: itzmeluigi on Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:53:12
You know who's jealous of your keycaps? I am. They look lovely.
Thank you :) I got the caps from a Costar manufactured board with Omron B3G-S clone switches, the ISO plate from that board was not Alps compatible, so i used the ISO plate from a Datacomp DFK192 which has perfect stabilizers in it already. My second Alps64 build will be ANSI version. Its harder to find ISO Alps boards and im very happy the builds almost finished.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 21 January 2016, 01:36:25
Once i get the plate cut into 60% size, this is what my first Alps64 build will look like :D :D The caps need some retrobrighting, after that they will look amazing.They already look amazing... :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WmfGhPM.jpg)
Post by: merlin64 on Thu, 21 January 2016, 13:05:31
How were the Group Buy plates originally cut? I'm kicking myself for not buying more, but there are a few waterjet cutting services within 30 minutes from me. Maybe I'll shop around and see how much making plates are.
Blue, do you mind if I snag the plate design files to show as reference?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 21 January 2016, 13:09:11
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 21 January 2016, 13:10:22
Just got my little adapter and my stablizers, thanks for the lovely GB BlueNalgene. Now to put a Clack on my Kingsaver :DBe careful, I found the adapter fit pretty tight, may want to sand it down a bit.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 21 January 2016, 13:15:04
Be careful, I found the adapter fit pretty tight, may want to sand it down a bit.
Sounds like a good time :D
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 22 January 2016, 02:43:47
Post by: E3E on Fri, 22 January 2016, 03:12:51
Just got my little adapter and my stablizers, thanks for the lovely GB BlueNalgene. Now to put a Clack on my Kingsaver :D
BlueNalgene's thoughtfulness inspired me to make my own since I had to step away from this to focus on my Duck Eagle builds.
And indeed, just to put my little wingnut on my Hammer Alps board, hehe.
I wanna see the Clack on that Kingsaver, CPT! >:D
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 22 January 2016, 19:06:49
Post by: sean on Fri, 22 January 2016, 22:18:02
Sigh. I need to solder in a new 'A' key. The current switch isn't very tactile :(
Open the switch up before you replace anything. Tactileness (tactilitity?) can easily be fixed sometimes by just taking it apart and putting it back together, or by adjusting the click leaf.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 22 January 2016, 22:30:01
Sigh. I need to solder in a new 'A' key. The current switch isn't very tactile :(
Open the switch up before you replace anything. Tactileness (tactilitity?) can easily be fixed sometimes by just taking it apart and putting it back together, or by adjusting the click leaf.
I would if I knew how... :p
Post by: sean on Fri, 22 January 2016, 22:49:37
Sigh. I need to solder in a new 'A' key. The current switch isn't very tactile :(
Open the switch up before you replace anything. Tactileness (tactilitity?) can easily be fixed sometimes by just taking it apart and putting it back together, or by adjusting the click leaf.
I would if I knew how... :p
:p
You don't even need to desolder the switch to do it!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Fri, 22 January 2016, 23:19:40
Sigh. I need to solder in a new 'A' key. The current switch isn't very tactile :(
Open the switch up before you replace anything. Tactileness (tactilitity?) can easily be fixed sometimes by just taking it apart and putting it back together, or by adjusting the click leaf.
I would if I knew how... :p
:p
You don't even need to desolder the switch to do it!
WOW Matias switches are impossible to open. I managed to get the toothpicks in either side which seems to have made it more tactile somehow, but has also changed the sound. Sadpanda :(
Whatever, now i can wasd all day without my a key being way less tactile!
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 23 January 2016, 06:01:20
Tactileness (tactilitity?)Tact.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 25 January 2016, 03:33:03
Post by: sakai4eva on Mon, 25 January 2016, 04:10:16
Post by: flabbergast on Mon, 25 January 2016, 04:33:40
OK. How do you program this thing?All the information about the PCB is here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0). In particular, you can either compile TMK yourself, or use hasu's online thing (http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html) to get a firmware. For flashing, see the "Program Controller" section of the post linked above.
Post by: MAR82 on Mon, 25 January 2016, 09:17:26
Here is the one I'm using at work (sorry for the iPhone picture, but it's all I have with me)
(http://i.imgur.com/Om9nFTB.jpg)
- Alps64 PCB
- AT101W (blue) plate
- Alps SKCM Brown (tactile)
- Z-Case (3D printed, blue)
- Tai Hao Olivette caps
My other build is more or less the same, the only differences being; the plate is not powder coated, it uses Matias quiet click switches, different color case (grey/silver), and Tai Hao Dolch caps
I would just like to give another big thanks to BlueNalgene, hasu, JDCarpe, and anyone else that made this GB possible! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Just a quick update with a picture of the 2nd board I built
(http://i.imgur.com/7INP2oM.jpg)
Post by: E3E on Mon, 25 January 2016, 09:20:16
So I was here sitting at my desk at work (not really in the mood to work), and thought I still haven't shared a picture of the two boards I built.
Here is the one I'm using at work (sorry for the iPhone picture, but it's all I have with me)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Om9nFTB.jpg)
- Alps64 PCB
- AT101W (blue) plate
- Alps SKCM Brown (tactile)
- Z-Case (3D printed, blue)
- Tai Hao Olivette caps
My other build is more or less the same, the only differences being; the plate is not powder coated, it uses Matias quiet click switches, different color case (grey/silver), and Tai Hao Dolch caps
(If I remember I'll add a picture of it to this post when I get home tonight.)
I would just like to give another big thanks to BlueNalgene, hasu, JDCarpe, and anyone else that made this GB possible! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Man, I'm loving that blue. This would look fantastic with Alpine Winter.
But hey, what's up with that left Windows key? I don't recall having two different looking ones like that.
Post by: MAR82 on Mon, 25 January 2016, 09:49:51
But hey, what's up with that left Windows key? I don't recall having two different looking ones like that.
It's the same as the right Windows key, it's just the lighting and my iPhone that are making it look a bit funky
Yeah the blue on the case and the plate don't really match. What the hell, it's close enough for me.
But they are both great blues!
And now I have the blues, because part of me wishes I had been part of the Alpine Winter GB :-\
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 25 January 2016, 10:34:19
Anyone interested in buying 200 clicky, selling me 50 tactile, or some kind of trade? I only need 50 tactile, not 200 by the way. I bought too many Just In Case :)
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 25 January 2016, 13:46:29
Here's a little update on my a key.
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He's in a better place now.
Here's the new guy, so far, so
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Can't wait for my z-case after seeing how great they look!
Post by: sean on Mon, 25 January 2016, 18:04:55
Loving all these boards!Oh golly, is the spring that messed up still?
Here's a little update on my a key.
(Attachment Link)
He's in a better place now.
Here's the new guy, so far, sogoodtactile!
(Attachment Link)
Can't wait for my z-case after seeing how great they look!
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 25 January 2016, 18:14:41
Yep. I've tried everything I could think of. By "better place" I meant my kitchen garbage can :pLoving all these boards!Oh golly, is the spring that messed up still?
Here's a little update on my a key.
(Attachment Link)
He's in a better place now.
Here's the new guy, so far, sogoodtactile!
(Attachment Link)
Can't wait for my z-case after seeing how great they look!
You can also see that one contact pin snapped completely in half.
For future me: Don't try to open Matias switces. Just spend the half-hour desoldering and getting all of the solder out of the hole and soldering in a new switch.
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 25 January 2016, 18:28:24
Yep. I've tried everything I could think of. By "better place" I meant my kitchen garbage can :pLoving all these boards!Oh golly, is the spring that messed up still?
Here's a little update on my a key.
(Attachment Link)
He's in a better place now.
Here's the new guy, so far, sogoodtactile!
(Attachment Link)
Can't wait for my z-case after seeing how great they look!
You can also see that one contact pin snapped completely in half.
For future me: Don't try to open Matias switces. Just spend the half-hour desoldering and getting all of the solder out of the hole and soldering in a new switch.
Half hour? Sounds like you need a desoldering pump. Once the iron is hot...removal is like a 10 second job.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 25 January 2016, 18:37:42
Yep. I've tried everything I could think of. By "better place" I meant my kitchen garbage can :pLoving all these boards!Oh golly, is the spring that messed up still?
Here's a little update on my a key.
(Attachment Link)
He's in a better place now.
Here's the new guy, so far, sogoodtactile!
(Attachment Link)
Can't wait for my z-case after seeing how great they look!
You can also see that one contact pin snapped completely in half.
For future me: Don't try to open Matias switces. Just spend the half-hour desoldering and getting all of the solder out of the hole and soldering in a new switch.
Half hour? Sounds like you need a desoldering pump. Once the iron is hot...removal is like a 10 second job.
I have a pump.
I never said that I was good at this...
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 25 January 2016, 20:27:42
I'm pretty sure I'm just derping, but on the off chance I'm not... were we supposed to get stabilizers with this buy? It's not a line item in the invoice, and I don't recall paying for them, but for some reason I seem to recall thinking that there wasn't anything I would need to buy outside of this GB (other than keycaps of course). Am I just being forgetful?
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 25 January 2016, 20:52:25
Stupid question time. :D
I'm pretty sure I'm just derping, but on the off chance I'm not... were we supposed to get stabilizers with this buy? It's not a line item in the invoice, and I don't recall paying for them, but for some reason I seem to recall thinking that there wasn't anything I would need to buy outside of this GB (other than keycaps of course). Am I just being forgetful?
It was a separate thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75803.msg1885882) made by Blue for the stabs. I received them along with this GB in one pacakge though!
I got two sets (in case I totally mangle making a 6u wire), so I could hook you up if there is not better option (aka, someone inside the US) :thumb:
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 25 January 2016, 20:55:26
Stupid question time. :D
I'm pretty sure I'm just derping, but on the off chance I'm not... were we supposed to get stabilizers with this buy? It's not a line item in the invoice, and I don't recall paying for them, but for some reason I seem to recall thinking that there wasn't anything I would need to buy outside of this GB (other than keycaps of course). Am I just being forgetful?
It was a separate thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75803.msg1885882) made by Blue for the stabs. I received them along with this GB in one pacakge though!
I got two sets (in case I totally mangle making a 6u wire), so I could hook you up if there is not better option (aka, someone inside the US) :thumb:
Well crap!! :| Haha. I don't know how I managed to miss that one... :(
WTB Alps stabilizers :-[
/me hangs head in shame
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 25 January 2016, 21:00:46
Stupid question time. :D
I'm pretty sure I'm just derping, but on the off chance I'm not... were we supposed to get stabilizers with this buy? It's not a line item in the invoice, and I don't recall paying for them, but for some reason I seem to recall thinking that there wasn't anything I would need to buy outside of this GB (other than keycaps of course). Am I just being forgetful?
It was a separate thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75803.msg1885882) made by Blue for the stabs. I received them along with this GB in one pacakge though!
I got two sets (in case I totally mangle making a 6u wire), so I could hook you up if there is not better option (aka, someone inside the US) :thumb:
Well crap!! :| Haha. I don't know how I managed to miss that one... :(
WTB Alps stabilizers :-[
/me hangs head in shame
Too busy being a man of mystery, no doubt!
Well if no one can hook you up in a shorter time span, my 2nd set has your name on it :) I just won't be able to ship them out until I've got my alpine winter set to measure up the 6u I need to hand bend :thumb:
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 25 January 2016, 21:03:07
Well crap!! :| Haha. I don't know how I managed to miss that one... :(
WTB Alps stabilizers :-[
/me hangs head in shame
Too busy being a man of mystery, no doubt!
Well if no one can hook you up in a shorter time span, my 2nd set has your name on it :) I just won't be able to ship them out until I've got my alpine winter set to measure up the 6u I need to hand bend :thumb:
Hopefully it won't come to that, but thank you so much for the offer! :-*
Post by: njbair on Mon, 25 January 2016, 21:34:28
You can buy the same stab sets from Matias' website. Just costs a tad more.Well crap!! :| Haha. I don't know how I managed to miss that one... :(
WTB Alps stabilizers :-[
/me hangs head in shame
Too busy being a man of mystery, no doubt!
Well if no one can hook you up in a shorter time span, my 2nd set has your name on it :) I just won't be able to ship them out until I've got my alpine winter set to measure up the 6u I need to hand bend :thumb:
Hopefully it won't come to that, but thank you so much for the offer! :-*
Post by: henz on Tue, 26 January 2016, 04:48:24
Well crap!! :| Haha. I don't know how I managed to miss that one... :(
WTB Alps stabilizers :-[
/me hangs head in shame
Too busy being a man of mystery, no doubt!
Well if no one can hook you up in a shorter time span, my 2nd set has your name on it :) I just won't be able to ship them out until I've got my alpine winter set to measure up the 6u I need to hand bend :thumb:
Hopefully it won't come to that, but thank you so much for the offer! :-*
I bought some piano strings, i might be able to get you some.
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 26 January 2016, 05:04:03
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 26 January 2016, 07:32:29
Hopefully it won't come to that, but thank you so much for the offer! :-*
I bought some piano strings, i might be able to get you some.
Thanks for the offer. :) Unfortunately, I also need all the other plastic bits so I'll need a full set of gear. It's no worry though, I forgot I can just buy from Matias if I can't find something cheaper in the states. :thumb:
You can buy the same stab sets from Matias' website. Just costs a tad more.Good point, I forgot about that. ;D
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 26 January 2016, 07:42:23
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 26 January 2016, 07:49:17
Hoff I got you on the stabilizer set. It'll be in the mail this week.
bae <3 :-*
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 26 January 2016, 13:04:16
So what I'm saying is, for a first time GB runner, you did amazing.
Thanks Blue!
Post by: Yoe on Tue, 26 January 2016, 15:09:32
How do you stretch that piano string to make sure the end result is straight by the way? The bending itself doesn't seem that hard, and in any case there are tools to help with that, but I assume the wire is coiled when you get it.
Piano wire from hobby stores come in 1m straight lenghts. You just bend them to fit your key size and cut with a dremel cutting disc. Works great :)
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 26 January 2016, 15:22:19
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 26 January 2016, 18:03:06
(http://i.imgur.com/QuhShB2.jpg)
The keys aren't all correct. The majority of the caps were sourced from my AT101W at work (which I recently put Dolch on). The Caps Lock is from the Dolch set since it was the only center stem Alps cap I had. Not pictured is the underside of the space bar. I put the soldering iron to the pegs on the bottom of the AT101W space bar so it would fit on the plate without drilling into the metal. Quick and dirty.
(http://i.imgur.com/7rIh8Zg.jpg)
This is the underside. I needed this to pack light because I wasn't checking any baggage on my flight. The "case" is carbon fiber vinyl wrap stuck directly to the PCB. I leaned it on my space heater to shrink the vinyl since I don't actually own a hairdryer. There is a tiny hole cut for the LED and RESET button. The board is supported by rubber pegs I cannibalized from a practice amp attached with gorilla glue. You can see the glue that oozed out the sides and the center of the rubber parts.
And that is my super ghetto Alps Party board. This build was disassembled on Dec. 24th 2015 for an upgrade to something more palatable. I just wanted to show off the 'before' version since I was proud of my 1 hour board assembled before getting on the plane. It helped me actually get some writing accomplished while I was away.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 27 January 2016, 00:24:27
Post by: flabbergast on Wed, 27 January 2016, 01:39:46
What I can't get my head around is where to make the bends. Say you have a 6 unit space bar. How long is the wire and how far from each end should the bends be? Is there something I am missing? If I eyeball it, how much margin for error is there? I have the bending tool, and it is pretty easy to use, but I am just worried about wasting the wire. Can anyone offer some specific pointers?I don't have the numbers, but presumably you have the keycap and inserts in the plate already - those are your only restrictions. The ALPS style stabs have the advantage that they don't require bends at precise places (like the cherry ones). You can see it here (https://i.imgur.com/c7Dwv.jpg). The only constraints you need to satisfy is that the long part is long enough to clip into the inserts and move freely, the total width is less than the width of the keycap and that the short "back-bends" are long enough to reach the inserts in the keycap.
Post by: db268 on Wed, 27 January 2016, 04:47:14
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 27 January 2016, 04:56:07
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 27 January 2016, 05:56:53
edit: changed 7u to 6u
Post by: bocahgundul on Wed, 27 January 2016, 06:12:48
sorry to ask this but does anyone know the best way to create a 7u stabiliser wire or where I can buy one?matias bro?
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 27 January 2016, 07:37:17
sorry to ask this but does anyone know the best way to create a 7u stabiliser wire or where I can buy one?matias bro?
sorry meant 6u for hhkb style
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 27 January 2016, 08:00:08
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 27 January 2016, 08:04:51
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 27 January 2016, 09:27:06
Once I get my Alpine Winter set I will have a go at making some. If they work out OK I may be able to....hehe 'hook' you up. No promises as I am noob. Postage shouldn't be too much should it?
I'll try making them with the stab set I have - hopefully they'll fit without much modification....
tbh I haven't even looked at all the stuff from this GB yet apart from playing with my quiet clicks
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 27 January 2016, 11:22:05
So here is my first build from this GB. A slapped it together in under an hour in early December. I call it my "Oh **** I'm About To Travel Out Of The US With Only A Tablet" board.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QuhShB2.jpg)
The keys aren't all correct. The majority of the caps were sourced from my AT101W at work (which I recently put Dolch on). The Caps Lock is from the Dolch set since it was the only center stem Alps cap I had. Not pictured is the underside of the space bar. I put the soldering iron to the pegs on the bottom of the AT101W space bar so it would fit on the plate without drilling into the metal. Quick and dirty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7rIh8Zg.jpg)
This is the underside. I needed this to pack light because I wasn't checking any baggage on my flight. The "case" is carbon fiber vinyl wrap stuck directly to the PCB. I leaned it on my space heater to shrink the vinyl since I don't actually own a hairdryer. There is a tiny hole cut for the LED and RESET button. The board is supported by rubber pegs I cannibalized from a practice amp attached with gorilla glue. You can see the glue that oozed out the sides and the center of the rubber parts.
And that is my super ghetto Alps Party board. This build was disassembled on Dec. 24th 2015 for an upgrade to something more palatable. I just wanted to show off the 'before' version since I was proud of my 1 hour board assembled before getting on the plane. It helped me actually get some writing accomplished while I was away.
I love this. That board has got character.
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Sat, 30 January 2016, 04:19:13
(http://i.imgur.com/vV6PAOw.jpg)
album here (http://imgur.com/a/VF745)
Post by: Eugene45 on Sat, 30 January 2016, 05:28:41
So here is my first build from this GB. A slapped it together in under an hour in early December. I call it my "Oh **** I'm About To Travel Out Of The US With Only A Tablet" board.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QuhShB2.jpg)
The keys aren't all correct. The majority of the caps were sourced from my AT101W at work (which I recently put Dolch on). The Caps Lock is from the Dolch set since it was the only center stem Alps cap I had. Not pictured is the underside of the space bar. I put the soldering iron to the pegs on the bottom of the AT101W space bar so it would fit on the plate without drilling into the metal. Quick and dirty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7rIh8Zg.jpg)
This is the underside. I needed this to pack light because I wasn't checking any baggage on my flight. The "case" is carbon fiber vinyl wrap stuck directly to the PCB. I leaned it on my space heater to shrink the vinyl since I don't actually own a hairdryer. There is a tiny hole cut for the LED and RESET button. The board is supported by rubber pegs I cannibalized from a practice amp attached with gorilla glue. You can see the glue that oozed out the sides and the center of the rubber parts.
And that is my super ghetto Alps Party board. This build was disassembled on Dec. 24th 2015 for an upgrade to something more palatable. I just wanted to show off the 'before' version since I was proud of my 1 hour board assembled before getting on the plane. It helped me actually get some writing accomplished while I was away.
Hello, any info on round 2 and by any chance a Tkl iso version ?
Post by: sean on Sat, 30 January 2016, 23:42:07
check2mine2out2guys!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vV6PAOw.jpg)
album here (http://imgur.com/a/VF745)
Haha that's awesome. What caps are you planning on using?
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Sun, 31 January 2016, 02:42:49
I got asked about SMD diodes in private, thought it might interest other folks as well, so here it goes:
I used 1N4148 diodes in 0805 packaging. You can go for 1N4448 diodes as well, as they are higher quality (they have a lower reverse leakage current). Hasu states that the footprint is SOD123 (3.68 × 1.17 × 1.60 mm). Meaning you can use the following packages:
0805 (2.0 mm × 1.25 mm),
1008 (2.5 mm × 2.0 mm),
1206 (3.2 mm × 1.6 mm),
SOD-123 (naturally)
SOD-323 (1.7 × 1.25 × 0.95 mm) - i see no reason why u couldn't mount it, but it is a bit smaller than the 0805 that i used
Another thing that i would point out is that you don't need to use SMD diodes for every switch, if your only concern is compatibility with the case. The 17 diodes that MUST be SMD are the following, the rest can be the through hole ones that hasu provided:
D00, D10, D20, D22, D23, D24, D25, D26, D27, D30, D31, D36, D55, D63, D65, D70, D73
Post by: i0nC4nn0n on Sun, 31 January 2016, 02:49:37
check2mine2out2guys!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vV6PAOw.jpg)
album here (http://imgur.com/a/VF745)
Haha that's awesome. What caps are you planning on using?
The Alpine Winter ones ofc, but i'm really debating if i should cut down the stabilizer thingies from the Dell space till they arrive...
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 31 January 2016, 12:00:36
MoreHello,
I got asked about SMD diodes in private, thought it might interest other folks as well, so here it goes:
I used 1N4148 diodes in 0805 packaging. You can go for 1N4448 diodes as well, as they are higher quality (they have a lower reverse leakage current). Hasu states that the footprint is SOD123 (3.68 × 1.17 × 1.60 mm). Meaning you can use the following packages:
0805 (2.0 mm × 1.25 mm),
1008 (2.5 mm × 2.0 mm),
1206 (3.2 mm × 1.6 mm),
SOD-123 (naturally)
SOD-323 (1.7 × 1.25 × 0.95 mm) - i see no reason why u couldn't mount it, but it is a bit smaller than the 0805 that i used
Another thing that i would point out is that you don't need to use SMD diodes for every switch, if your only concern is compatibility with the case. The 17 diodes that MUST be SMD are the following, the rest can be the through hole ones that hasu provided:
D00, D10, D20, D22, D23, D24, D25, D26, D27, D30, D31, D36, D55, D63, D65, D70, D73
Good info. You should post it in the thread for hasu's PCB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.0) as well.
Post by: kennardsmith on Mon, 01 February 2016, 11:28:59
I'm a jerk so i didn't take a photo, i'll try to post one later this week.
Thanks BlueNalgene for an incredible GB
Post by: axtran on Mon, 01 February 2016, 12:12:39
Hello,
I got asked about SMD diodes in private, thought it might interest other folks as well, so here it goes:
I used 1N4148 diodes in 0805 packaging. You can go for 1N4448 diodes as well, as they are higher quality (they have a lower reverse leakage current). Hasu states that the footprint is SOD123 (3.68 × 1.17 × 1.60 mm). Meaning you can use the following packages:
0805 (2.0 mm × 1.25 mm),
1008 (2.5 mm × 2.0 mm),
1206 (3.2 mm × 1.6 mm),
SOD-123 (naturally)
SOD-323 (1.7 × 1.25 × 0.95 mm) - i see no reason why u couldn't mount it, but it is a bit smaller than the 0805 that i used
Another thing that i would point out is that you don't need to use SMD diodes for every switch, if your only concern is compatibility with the case. The 17 diodes that MUST be SMD are the following, the rest can be the through hole ones that hasu provided:
D00, D10, D20, D22, D23, D24, D25, D26, D27, D30, D31, D36, D55, D63, D65, D70, D73
I'm building mine with SOD-80 LL4148 diodes, as I think that they are the prettiest :)
Post by: skaloola on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:34:29
Do cherry style stabs exist for Alps? It's interesting that the Spacebars i got from the alpine winter GB have the cherry style crucifix mount for the stabilizers holes.
Would this 6u wire work http://i.imgur.com/BIWgv9Z.jpg with the Matias stabs I ordered?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:40:11
I just ordered the Matias stabilizer (or hooks as they call them). These are basically costar style stabs right?
Do cherry style stabs exist for Alps? It's interesting that the Spacebars i got from the alpine winter GB have the cherry style crucifix mount for the stabilizers holes.
Would this 6u wire work http://i.imgur.com/BIWgv9Z.jpg with the Matias stabs I ordered?
no, alps wires need to bend back another time.
Post by: axtran on Wed, 03 February 2016, 00:08:37
I just ordered the Matias stabilizer (or hooks as they call them). These are basically costar style stabs right?
Do cherry style stabs exist for Alps? It's interesting that the Spacebars i got from the alpine winter GB have the cherry style crucifix mount for the stabilizers holes.
Would this 6u wire work http://i.imgur.com/BIWgv9Z.jpg with the Matias stabs I ordered?
Like Costar, the ALPS stabilizer wires (both in classic boards that I've dismantled as well as Matias boards) is a much thinner wire diameter than Cherry stabilizer wire.
If the Alpine Winter spacebar comes with the Cherry style mounts, you will still have some issues because you have no way to mount that PCB or Plate stabilizer if you're using a proper ALPS party plate. :)
Post by: skaloola on Wed, 03 February 2016, 00:18:13
Wait I'm confused.I just ordered the Matias stabilizer (or hooks as they call them). These are basically costar style stabs right?
Do cherry style stabs exist for Alps? It's interesting that the Spacebars i got from the alpine winter GB have the cherry style crucifix mount for the stabilizers holes.
Would this 6u wire work http://i.imgur.com/BIWgv9Z.jpg with the Matias stabs I ordered?
Like Costar, the ALPS stabilizer wires (both in classic boards that I've dismantled as well as Matias boards) is a much thinner wire diameter than Cherry stabilizer wire.
If the Alpine Winter spacebar comes with the Cherry style mounts, you will still have some issues because you have no way to mount that PCB or Plate stabilizer if you're using a proper ALPS party plate. :)
So the alpine winter spacebars won't work with alps party? Even if I mod the spacebar wire from my Matias stab set?
Also since it looks like alpine winter caps has crucifix mount for stabs.. would it be possible to use cherry style stabilizers on my build? Even if it's just for the spacebar. Would plate or pcb mount cherry stabs work somehow?
Thanks and sorry for the stupid questions. I just hate costar style stabs.
Post by: axtran on Wed, 03 February 2016, 00:41:05
Wait I'm confused.I just ordered the Matias stabilizer (or hooks as they call them). These are basically costar style stabs right?
Do cherry style stabs exist for Alps? It's interesting that the Spacebars i got from the alpine winter GB have the cherry style crucifix mount for the stabilizers holes.
Would this 6u wire work http://i.imgur.com/BIWgv9Z.jpg with the Matias stabs I ordered?
Like Costar, the ALPS stabilizer wires (both in classic boards that I've dismantled as well as Matias boards) is a much thinner wire diameter than Cherry stabilizer wire.
If the Alpine Winter spacebar comes with the Cherry style mounts, you will still have some issues because you have no way to mount that PCB or Plate stabilizer if you're using a proper ALPS party plate. :)
So the alpine winter spacebars won't work with alps party? Even if I mod the spacebar wire from my Matias stab set?
Also since it looks like alpine winter caps has crucifix mount for stabs.. would it be possible to use cherry style stabilizers on my build? Even if it's just for the spacebar. Would plate or pcb mount cherry stabs work somehow?
Thanks and sorry for the stupid questions. I just hate costar style stabs.
Matias stabilizer is different than Cherry. If you look at your plate, you can confirm yourself whether or not Cherry Plate Mount stabilizers would work on it. It should only have small rectangles--which are made for Matias/ALPS stabilizers.
Post by: phoible on Wed, 03 February 2016, 01:43:50
Any tips?
Post by: Yoe on Wed, 03 February 2016, 03:17:46
Post by: E3E on Wed, 03 February 2016, 03:39:47
Has anyone managed to cut down an AEKII plate? I have an ALPS64 PCB on the way, and I'm thinking about trying to salvage everything from an AEKII.
Any tips?
I have cut a plate for axtran out of a 60% plate. It works just fine! Just make sure you get the dimensions right so it'll fit in the case.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 03 February 2016, 09:36:44
Post by: Moistgun on Fri, 05 February 2016, 09:31:34
I dont know where to look for a plate :[
Post by: axtran on Fri, 05 February 2016, 11:24:42
Does anyone have a spare plate that they are willing to part with?
I dont know where to look for a plate :[
I think LeandreN was planning on some ALPS plates soon, I'd check with him. Else, you can always take an ALPS board and cut it down to size if you have a template or the measurements of a 60% plate.
Post by: digi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 14:06:01
Post by: crazystu on Sun, 07 February 2016, 22:36:01
All working well, just need to program it now. Using Tai-Hao Dolch, and a stock Poker II white case.
Had a bit of an issue with one switch, but was easy to fix by opening from the top and bending the contacts slightly.
Post by: merlin64 on Mon, 08 February 2016, 00:17:39
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 08 February 2016, 06:01:25
Post by: mseaworthy on Mon, 08 February 2016, 08:48:57
Finally got around to finishing off my build from this GB :)
All working well, just need to program it now. Using Tai-Hao Dolch, and a stock Poker II white case.
Had a bit of an issue with one switch, but was easy to fix by opening from the top and bending the contacts slightly.
Great looking build @crazystu! Would you mind adding a little detail about repairing the your switch? I've got a non working switch apart right now and I can't really tell if it needs to be bent (or which way) or re-soldered, or just scrapped altogether. Really appreciate any input. Thanks!
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 08 February 2016, 14:29:02
Currently in talks with jdcarpe with producing some of his alps plates featured in this group buy, will do an IC once stuff has been formalized.
Yiss Yiss Yiss! I need a HHKB plate in my life, and the files don't seem to be available anywhere. ☹️
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 08 February 2016, 14:40:47
Finally got around to finishing off my build from this GB :)
All working well, just need to program it now. Using Tai-Hao Dolch, and a stock Poker II white case.
Had a bit of an issue with one switch, but was easy to fix by opening from the top and bending the contacts slightly.
Looks like mine so far, minus my bottlecap.
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:30:46
Post by: kennardsmith on Tue, 09 February 2016, 16:11:13
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Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 09 February 2016, 17:56:22
Keep forgetting to bring the board home and take some glamour shots, but here's a shot in its current setup at work:Beautiful board
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I'll wait for another round of this GB hehe
Post by: mseaworthy on Tue, 09 February 2016, 18:25:36
Keep forgetting to bring the board home and take some glamour shots, but here's a shot in its current setup at work:
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@kennardsmith That's a great looking build. Love the HHKB layout. Did you make the wood case or buy it?
Post by: kennardsmith on Tue, 09 February 2016, 19:27:42
Keep forgetting to bring the board home and take some glamour shots, but here's a shot in its current setup at work:
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@kennardsmith That's a great looking build. Love the HHKB layout. Did you make the wood case or buy it?
Thank you!
The case is a "black walnut" Royal Glam case i got on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/royal-glam-60-wood-keyboard-case) — really enjoy the feel of the steel plate against the wood.
I got my alpine winter in so I *could* actually have a bottom row with the correct size of space/mods, but the command keys are labeled "alt" so I'll have to settle for this hhkb approximation ;_;
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:35:56
Instead, in the interest of accountability and transparency, I am going to release my kept books to you. This way, you know where your money went during the sale. I think it is important to be upfront with this data to ensure that there is always trust between the GB organizers and participants. This is especially true for those of us who claim a non-profit intent. Without further ado, here is a quick summary of the costs:
| Invoice Income | $10922.60 |
| Paypal Fees | -$407.64 |
| Expenditures | -$10292.30 |
| Refunds | -$211.99 |
| Est. Stock | $112.90 |
| TOTAL | $123.62 |
So currently I have made a profit of $123.62 in money and unsold stock. I've attached a spreadsheet with the detailed entries and calculations which has been scrubbed of personal data of the participants. Since there is still an outstanding order which may be refunded, that figure may go down by about $97. I still have some hope that the package exists though, so I haven't written it off completely.
As you know, I promised to donate any profit from the sale to the keyboarding websites. Donation distribution will be determined based on which website the participants claimed to hail from in their original order. As such, the distribution will be 8% of the funds to Deskthority, 72% of the funds to Geekhack, and 20% of the funds to /r/mk. Donations to DT and GH will go toward paying hosting costs for the individual sites, and the donation to /r/mk will be an open contest for switches, per the recommendation of /u/ripster55. Since there is still an outstanding order which may result in a change in my revenue, I will be holding off on making the donations until that is decided. I will post here notification when the donations are made.
I also kept a simple log of how much time I spent making this a possibility. This is very rough, accuracy of each data point is on the close scale of an hour. Accounting for my time I spent on this project:
Photoshop: 3 hours
2D CAD: 2 hours
3D CAD: 2 hours
Placing Orders: 3 hours
Driving/Transit: 7 hours
Excel/Word: 17 hours
Sorting/Shipping: 32 hours
Support: 9 hours
Total: 75 hours
This number doesn't include lost sleep while I was worrying about getting everything right. At my current salary, assuming I only work 40 hour weeks (lol), I would expect to have made $863 from that.
Now that I have everyone thinking I'm insane, I'll let that stew for a bit. My next update post will be my 'big reveal', and I can show off my reason for going through all of this for no profit. Hint: madness is only part of the answer!
Post by: SpikeBolt on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:45:21
Can't wait to find out what surprise you have for us!
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:18:01
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:38:40
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:51:29
Despite all the problems and complications you have always had terrific communication and great customer care. I wish all GB holders were like you Blue, I'm sure I'll join some other GB you hold :thumb:
Can't wait to find out what surprise you have for us!
Don't be giving him ideas to hold more GBs.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:40:48
this big reveal better be something along the lines of you implanted an Alps keyboard into arm.
You have no idea how much I actually want to do this. I would totally get into wet mods if I could afford it.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:43:21
this big reveal better be something along the lines of you implanted an Alps keyboard into arm.
You have no idea how much I actually want to do this. I would totally get into wet mods if I could afford it.
Like: "gotta send an email" *types noisily on arm* "Done"
we need this
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 16 February 2016, 12:54:40
Post by: E3E on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:42:10
Highly unlikely, I know. :P
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 16 February 2016, 16:47:45
this big reveal better be something along the lines of you implanted an Alps keyboard into arm.
You have no idea how much I actually want to do this. I would totally get into wet mods if I could afford it.
Well, the difficulty would be that you could only type with one hand. So you would have to become adept at one-handed typing.
In that case, I recommend implanting into the thigh instead.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 16 February 2016, 17:29:52
this big reveal better be something along the lines of you implanted an Alps keyboard into arm.
You have no idea how much I actually want to do this. I would totally get into wet mods if I could afford it.
Well, the difficulty would be that you could only type with one hand. So you would have to become adept at one-handed typing.
In that case, I recommend implanting into the thigh instead.
Ergo on each thigh. Duh. You think this is amateur hour?
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 16 February 2016, 17:45:38
this big reveal better be something along the lines of you implanted an Alps keyboard into arm.
You have no idea how much I actually want to do this. I would totally get into wet mods if I could afford it.
Well, the difficulty would be that you could only type with one hand. So you would have to become adept at one-handed typing.
In that case, I recommend implanting into the thigh instead.
Ergo on each thigh. Duh. You think this is amateur hour?
Hard when you're standing though...
Post by: axtran on Tue, 16 February 2016, 18:09:37
this big reveal better be something along the lines of you implanted an Alps keyboard into arm.
You have no idea how much I actually want to do this. I would totally get into wet mods if I could afford it.
Well, the difficulty would be that you could only type with one hand. So you would have to become adept at one-handed typing.
In that case, I recommend implanting into the thigh instead.
Ergo on each thigh. Duh. You think this is amateur hour?
Hard when you're standing though...
Hands in pockets. Like a switch hitter... PUN INTENDED
Post by: deductivemonkee on Tue, 16 February 2016, 18:18:49
this big reveal better be something along the lines of you implanted an Alps keyboard into arm.
You have no idea how much I actually want to do this. I would totally get into wet mods if I could afford it.
Well, the difficulty would be that you could only type with one hand. So you would have to become adept at one-handed typing.
In that case, I recommend implanting into the thigh instead.
Ergo on each thigh. Duh. You think this is amateur hour?
Hard when you're standing though...
Hands in pockets. Like a switch hitter... PUN INTENDED
I already carry around a matias click switch for stress reasons...
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 16 February 2016, 18:20:39
And now it is time for me to do my little reveal.
My GB has been built upon some lies.
It was never about the Alps, and it was never about me.
So why did I do it?
...to make the best Christmas present ever.
My GB has been built upon some lies.
It was never about the Alps, and it was never about me.
So why did I do it?
...to make the best Christmas present ever.
So here is how the con went down. It was the middle of August when I was trying to stay on top of the game. I was racking my brain, trying to figure out a great Christmas gift idea for the girlfriend. You see, last year she got me a Tom Baker scarf. Never heard of it? There is a whole website (http://www.doctorwhoscarf.com/) dedicated to researching the colors and lengths used to replicate this iconic bit of knit extravagance. And she didn't just go on Etsy and pay a few hundred $$$ for some subpar knockoff. No, she hand-knit the entire thing. She had secretly knit every day for months on the bus, between work, at home, this 18 foot monstrosity. It was genius. I refused to be outdone.
So I decided to give her this gift.
In the middle of August, I put feelers out to a few select individuals about making this happen. The next day, the IC was up. After a month of ****ering over the details, the GB went live on Sept. 23rd. At the end of that month, I realized I would need stabilizers to complete my goal, so I started a SECOND IC/GB to raise interest. By the 5th of October, I was shutting down the entries. I had a deadline to make, and I didn't have time to let stragglers hold me back. I started the ordering process before I had all of the invoices paid, risking my own cash to front the bill and keep things moving full steam. Things started rolling in during the last half of November. By December, I didn't have any room left in my living room. I spent hours getting everything sorted and taken care of before finally building my boards.
(http://i.imgur.com/TR1aCit.jpg)
Some folks politely suggested when I first started running this that I was overstepping my bounds by making a catch-all GB for first time. I quietly assured them that I was competent, not revealing my true motives. I had to get all of the parts built for my boards by December. I couldn't wait for someone else to run a plate buy while someone else ran the PCB buy, leaving me hoping that everything turned out ok. I had to take fate into my own hands. I had to be the collected resource.
I spent a lot of time doing the extracurricular projects for this GB. I made cute little photoshopped headers to advertise the sale. I sculpted and produced a limited run of caps from scratch so people could get excited about a little contest to encourage them to participate. I made sure to answer as many questions as possible as soon as possible, so much that my advisor started getting frustrated by the time I was spending on this, rather than my research. I had to have the support of the participants. I needed to draw you in.
The girlfriend knew I was working on this. I couldn't hide it from her. I was spending hours of my time making sure everything went smoothly. But she never knew. I placated her with lies about how I was doing this for selfish keyboard greed. I told her about every move I made save the most critical ones. She never saw it coming. I told her I was making the board blue because it was related to my screenname, not that I made them blue because it is her favorite color. I got a little Cherry switch tester early on and had her tell me about which switch she liked most. I used that information to choose to make an Alps board. She didn't know that they were a thing, and she didn't know that she was describing qualities about the switches she liked which happened to match the Alps peculiarities.
(http://i.imgur.com/Nvhl34f.jpg)
I took more time than I expected when etching the cases. Each hand scrawled engraving needed to have something personal to connect each board, his and hers, to each other. A half-heart outlined as yin on one side; a half-heart shaded in as yang on the other. Names. A cat snuggling a tufted titmouse, myself and my ornithologist respectively. Little symbols that have meaning only to us. For her I doodled and practiced to get them just the way I wanted.
(http://i.imgur.com/PSdium1.jpg)
The reveal to her when she unwrapped it was worth it all. The box contained her keyboard, but not her gift.
"The keyboard wasn't her gift?", you ask yourself.
No.
Like Helen of Troy, her gift was something more than a golden apple trinket.
I raised an army for her.
So there you have it. My big reveal. All of you were pawns in my game all along. I can look back and say this now, because I took pains to make sure the only thing I gained from this was the support of my minions. I took no profit. I took no easy path. I hope no one feels too betrayed by this. I may not be the Alps crusader you assumed or the GB messiah I strove to be, but I still hope you enjoyed the ride.
I'm typing on my half of the whole now. I really do like it. I get a special sort of joy every time I use it. I have even been writing more because I enjoy the board so much.
(http://i.imgur.com/ww7iAFA.jpg)
To all of you, thanks for helping me achieve my goal.
And any time somebody gives you **** for a nerdy hobby, you can look to this answer to the age old question: can keyboards get you laid?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 16 February 2016, 19:22:52
That's so elaborate, so twisted, so...perfect.
Congratulations on a scam well-executed, and give your other half my best. :3 I hope she appreciates having impacted our lives and this forum to such a degree without even knowing. :))
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 16 February 2016, 19:52:21
Post by: ctm on Tue, 16 February 2016, 21:12:24
Post by: Yoe on Wed, 17 February 2016, 05:15:38
(Here's mine)
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Post by: deductivemonkee on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:05:08
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:10:08
You lead this army across the Alps well :)
Post by: njbair on Fri, 19 February 2016, 10:30:11
(http://i.imgur.com/Pa9cZKO.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/PevYibF.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/jcThKNM.jpg)
Alps Party ANSI plate, hasu PCB, blue Alps switches, Tai Hao Olivetti keycaps, and a blue-gray 3D printed Z-case.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 19 February 2016, 12:29:23
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 19 February 2016, 12:34:20
I thought I'd share some pics of the ANSI board I just finished building last night (x-post from Alps Appreciation Thread):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Pa9cZKO.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PevYibF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jcThKNM.jpg)
Alps Party ANSI plate, hasu PCB, blue Alps switches, Tai Hao Olivetti keycaps, and a blue-gray 3D printed Z-case.
Makes me wish i went with ANSI instead of AEK2 lol
Post by: rm-rf on Sat, 20 February 2016, 04:24:11
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Sun, 21 February 2016, 01:14:56
You da realest homie of them all! ;D
Post by: Yoe on Mon, 22 February 2016, 01:46:38
I thought I'd share some pics of the ANSI board I just finished building last night (x-post from Alps Appreciation Thread):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Pa9cZKO.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PevYibF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jcThKNM.jpg)
Alps Party ANSI plate, hasu PCB, blue Alps switches, Tai Hao Olivetti keycaps, and a blue-gray 3D printed Z-case.
Nice build! That blue-gray case really goes well with both the switches and the caps :)
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 22 February 2016, 19:44:49
I thought I'd share some pics of the ANSI board I just finished building last night (x-post from Alps Appreciation Thread):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Pa9cZKO.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PevYibF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jcThKNM.jpg)
Alps Party ANSI plate, hasu PCB, blue Alps switches, Tai Hao Olivetti keycaps, and a blue-gray 3D printed Z-case.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Mon, 22 February 2016, 19:53:30
I thought I'd share some pics of the ANSI board I just finished building last night (x-post from Alps Appreciation Thread):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Pa9cZKO.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PevYibF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jcThKNM.jpg)
Alps Party ANSI plate, hasu PCB, blue Alps switches, Tai Hao Olivetti keycaps, and a blue-gray 3D printed Z-case.
Are those the Tai Hao caps or pulled from a vintage board? They look like Tai Hao to me.
Read again.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:52:48
I thought I'd share some pics of the ANSI board I just finished building last night (x-post from Alps Appreciation Thread):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Pa9cZKO.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PevYibF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jcThKNM.jpg)
Alps Party ANSI plate, hasu PCB, blue Alps switches, Tai Hao Olivetti keycaps, and a blue-gray 3D printed Z-case.
Are those the Tai Hao caps or pulled from a vintage board? They look like Tai Hao to me.
Read again.
Thanks, that important info was hiding under the photos and I didn't see it. :'(
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 28 February 2016, 15:46:15
(http://i.imgur.com/hTG4GNw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lGhB6pG.jpg)
Example of my bad, but not terrible, soldering:
(http://i.imgur.com/FrUuGBl.jpg)
I knew I should have got a PCB. Anyone order one too many, per-chance? :(
Post by: flabbergast on Sun, 28 February 2016, 16:01:51
EDIT: BTW also Caps and LWin are on the same row.
EDIT2: for the row/col assignment check this (https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/infinity_chibios/keymap_common.h), definition of the KEYMAP macro (production). To see which pins does the row/col correspond to, see this (https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/infinity_chibios/matrix.c). And I was wrong, it row1 is PTB1. (was looking at the wrong file, sorry).
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 28 February 2016, 18:44:42
All of those (except Backspace) are on the same row. So I'd say that either the trace to the controller is broken, or the controller pin is not soldered properly (it should be connected to pin PTB3 on the MCU, see page 59 of this datasheet (http://www.nxp.com/files/32bit/doc/data_sheet/K20P64M50SF0.pdf) for the pinout).
EDIT: BTW also Caps and LWin are on the same row.
EDIT2: for the row/col assignment check this (https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/infinity_chibios/keymap_common.h), definition of the KEYMAP macro (production). To see which pins does the row/col correspond to, see this (https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/infinity_chibios/matrix.c). And I was wrong, it row1 is PTB1. (was looking at the wrong file, sorry).
Thanks for sharing your expertise :thumb: Hopefully I can figure this out tomorrow and report back!
Post by: BlueNalgene on Thu, 03 March 2016, 23:13:25
Post by: SpikeBolt on Sat, 05 March 2016, 10:44:57
(http://i.imgur.com/MBOTFoQ.jpg)
It turned out great and was worth the wait. Now all that I need are those Alpine Winter keycaps! Thanks again for everything Blue! :thumb:
Post by: sean on Sat, 05 March 2016, 19:04:49
Finally I can start my Alps Party hehe!That's so cool, is the case a solid piece of wood?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MBOTFoQ.jpg)
It turned out great and was worth the wait. Now all that I need are those Alpine Winter keycaps! Thanks again for everything Blue! :thumb:
Post by: SpikeBolt on Sun, 06 March 2016, 01:33:27
Yes it is. I got it from seal woodworking on massdrop.Finally I can start my Alps Party hehe!That's so cool, is the case a solid piece of wood?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MBOTFoQ.jpg)
It turned out great and was worth the wait. Now all that I need are those Alpine Winter keycaps! Thanks again for everything Blue! :thumb:
Post by: StormyMonday on Sun, 13 March 2016, 12:06:40
It turns out that I received a 102W plate, instead of a 101W plate. This is my fault entirely, as I neglected to notice this when I received same, so this is in no way a beotch session. I'm just wondering if anyone out there has a spare 101W plate that they can part with. If not, the Alpine Winter set fortunately includes an ISO enter cap, so I can build what I have. I've just never been an ISO fan. I'm a creature of habit, I suppose.
While I'm at it I'd like to express my sincere thanks to njbair and BlueNalgene for a pair of well run and well timed GB's. Thanks gents!
Post by: cheddarbek on Sun, 13 March 2016, 13:55:13
Post by: StormyMonday on Sun, 13 March 2016, 14:40:08
I don't have a 101W, but I've got an Infinity if you're interested.
Thanks for the quick reply ... definitely interested!!! I need to verify whether my Alpine Winter set came with an Infinity-length spacebar.
I'll PM you ...
Post by: njbair on Sun, 13 March 2016, 15:40:02
I need to verify whether my Alpine Winter set came with an Infinity-length spacebar.
It did.
Post by: StormyMonday on Sun, 13 March 2016, 22:57:29
I need to verify whether my Alpine Winter set came with an Infinity-length spacebar.
It did.
Yes, you are correct sir (as you well know - thanks for your efforts, by the way)!
I love the way that everyone in this community jumps in to lend a hand. Cheers!
Post by: Muffinbottoms on Sun, 13 March 2016, 23:40:40
Finally I can start my Alps Party hehe!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MBOTFoQ.jpg)
It turned out great and was worth the wait. Now all that I need are those Alpine Winter keycaps! Thanks again for everything Blue! :thumb:
Oooooo! Are those the really light linear ALPS switches? How do they feel to type on?
Post by: SpikeBolt on Mon, 14 March 2016, 08:24:15
They are Matias Linear switches (simplified alps clones). I haven't received the keycaps yet so I'm unsure of how they really feel yet but they seem extremely smooth. My other (unclean) alps boards are kinda awful when pressed off-center, I'm hoping this brand new switches don't do the same :P Will update when I get the keycaps.Finally I can start my Alps Party hehe!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MBOTFoQ.jpg)
It turned out great and was worth the wait. Now all that I need are those Alpine Winter keycaps! Thanks again for everything Blue! :thumb:
Oooooo! Are those the really light linear ALPS switches? How do they feel to type on?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 15 March 2016, 12:48:56
Greetings everyone. I've been away for quite a while due to ... life. Anyway, I sat down this weekend to take inventory and order any remaining missing parts, so that I can start assembly. Switches ... check. Diodes, ... check. Caps ... check. PCB ... check. Mounting plate ... NOOOOOOOOO!
It turns out that I received a 102W plate, instead of a 101W plate. This is my fault entirely, as I neglected to notice this when I received same, so this is in no way a beotch session. I'm just wondering if anyone out there has a spare 101W plate that they can part with. If not, the Alpine Winter set fortunately includes an ISO enter cap, so I can build what I have. I've just never been an ISO fan. I'm a creature of habit, I suppose.
While I'm at it I'd like to express my sincere thanks to njbair and BlueNalgene for a pair of well run and well timed GB's. Thanks gents!
I just saw this. Sorry you got the wrong plate. I don't understand how that error could have happened, unless someone else got the 101W plate you were supposed to get. I haven't heard anything like that. I wish I had a spare I could send you. Is there anything I can do to rectify the problem?
Post by: StormyMonday on Tue, 15 March 2016, 13:44:21
Greetings everyone. I've been away for quite a while due to ... life. Anyway, I sat down this weekend to take inventory and order any remaining missing parts, so that I can start assembly. Switches ... check. Diodes, ... check. Caps ... check. PCB ... check. Mounting plate ... NOOOOOOOOO!
It turns out that I received a 102W plate, instead of a 101W plate. This is my fault entirely, as I neglected to notice this when I received same, so this is in no way a beotch session. I'm just wondering if anyone out there has a spare 101W plate that they can part with. If not, the Alpine Winter set fortunately includes an ISO enter cap, so I can build what I have. I've just never been an ISO fan. I'm a creature of habit, I suppose.
While I'm at it I'd like to express my sincere thanks to njbair and BlueNalgene for a pair of well run and well timed GB's. Thanks gents!
I just saw this. Sorry you got the wrong plate. I don't understand how that error could have happened, unless someone else got the 101W plate you were supposed to get. I haven't heard anything like that. I wish I had a spare I could send you. Is there anything I can do to rectify the problem?
No, we're good, but I appreciate the concern. I managed to make a love connection with another member who has a spare Infinity plate. The more I think about it, the more I think that I'll ultimately be happier with the Infinity, than with the 101W.
I'll hold onto the 102W for a few weeks to see if anyone else reports having received the wrong plate. If there is no show of hands I'll post it in the classifieds, as I expect one of our brothers on the other side of the pond will surely be interested.
Thanks again!
Post by: rand77 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 01:20:05
Going to put some Tao Hao Dolch keycaps on it this weekend. Need to still figure out how to reduce the torsional spacebar wobble (actuates correctly), I'm thinking either tape or lube on the metal wire where it meets the plastic inserts.
Post by: StormyMonday on Fri, 22 April 2016, 08:20:54
Bit late to the party, but here she is. Salmon alps were harvested from an old Apple M0116. The wooden case is a Royal Glam (Walnut?) from Massdrop.
Going to put some Tao Hao Dolch keycaps on it this weekend. Need to still figure out how to reduce the torsional spacebar wobble (actuates correctly), I'm thinking either tape or lube on the metal wire where it meets the plastic inserts.
Those salmon switches sure do look sexy!
Perhaps try some heatshrink on the tips of the stabs? Just a thought.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 22 April 2016, 22:35:14
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/k+s/k+s502.htm
Post by: axtran on Fri, 22 April 2016, 23:05:55
Hey guys, I'm going to buy some of the K&S Precision Metal music wire #502 to make some Alps stabilizer wire. Let me know if anyone else wants any. I will have way too much for myself.
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/k+s/k+s502.htm
I'd really love one for my spacebar (AEK Layout). :)
Post by: rand77 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 23:16:53
As others mentioned the 2.75x right shift stabilizer in the Matias kit is a tiny bit short, but I managed to put them on somehow.
Post by: tintoret on Sat, 23 April 2016, 15:41:07
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sat, 23 April 2016, 19:17:34
Any chance this will get another run?
Yes and no. I'm trying to see if I can find time to do another Alps Party run. However, it probably won't be a 60%. I was thinking about a tenkey and/or a TKL.
Post by: romevi on Sat, 23 April 2016, 22:03:41
Any chance this will get another run?
Yes and no. I'm trying to see if I can find time to do another Alps Party run. However, it probably won't be a 60%. I was thinking about a tenkey and/or a TKL.
Tenkey would be neat, I think, though I wonder how many cases for Alps num pads there are.
Post by: nickheller on Sat, 23 April 2016, 22:11:34
If you were already having plates made it would not be too hard to just make it a sandwich style case. I am excited either way, I like both alps, and custom boards :DAny chance this will get another run?
Yes and no. I'm trying to see if I can find time to do another Alps Party run. However, it probably won't be a 60%. I was thinking about a tenkey and/or a TKL.
Tenkey would be neat, I think, though I wonder how many cases for Alps num pads there are.
Post by: StormyMonday on Sat, 23 April 2016, 22:48:09
Any chance this will get another run?
Yes and no. I'm trying to see if I can find time to do another Alps Party run. However, it probably won't be a 60%. I was thinking about a tenkey and/or a TKL.
Interested in an Alps TKL. :cool:
Would definitely Alps party again! :thumb:
Post by: phoible on Wed, 27 April 2016, 22:09:08
I tried cutting down the plate on the AEKII, but I don't have the appropriate tools, so I couldn't get it to quite fit inside the case I have.
Post by: rand77 on Wed, 27 April 2016, 23:29:49
http://builder.swillkb.com/
Then have one cut at a local shop or some online shop that specializes in one off prototypes (bigbluesaw?). It might be cost effective for a on-off prototype if you laser cut an acrylic or aluminum plate.
Just going by the 60% Alps render, I can see some of the stab locations interfere with the case cutouts (for Poker cases). I would validate the design before prototyping it. Some of the other members would have more experience though, I've never actually made anything with the tool.
Post by: n__dles on Mon, 02 May 2016, 18:15:24
I'm looking for an AEKII ANSI plate. Does anyone have the schematics from this GB and know where I could have one made?If the plate isn't damaged, it will cost less to pay someone to cut it down. A one off plate will cost around $100 [source (https://www.bigbluesaw.com/index.php?option=com_estimator&file=A0A0-A0A0-keyboard-60percent-compromise.inch.dxf&step=20&material=3&thickness=0.06)].
I tried cutting down the plate on the AEKII, but I don't have the appropriate tools, so I couldn't get it to quite fit inside the case I have.
Post by: StormyMonday on Mon, 02 May 2016, 19:55:54
I'm looking for an AEKII ANSI plate. Does anyone have the schematics from this GB and know where I could have one made?
I tried cutting down the plate on the AEKII, but I don't have the appropriate tools, so I couldn't get it to quite fit inside the case I have.
Have a look at this:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81740.0
Post by: BlueNalgene on Tue, 03 May 2016, 22:25:28
Any chance this will get another run?
Yes and no. I'm trying to see if I can find time to do another Alps Party run. However, it probably won't be a 60%. I was thinking about a tenkey and/or a TKL.
For those of you haven't heard yet, the next Alps Party (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.0) is in IC mode.
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 10 July 2016, 12:23:15
Post by: sprit on Sun, 10 July 2016, 18:14:18
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 11 July 2016, 11:15:05
Not to zombie the thread, but was there every discovered a workaround for the right shift stabilizer, or does that still include a pair of scissors?
An acceptable necro.
The solution I have been using is re-bending the Matias stab wires. I use two pairs of pliers to straighten the wire, then mark the bend locations with a sharpie. I bend the wire partially using the pliers, then I use a hammer and anvil (a squared edge of some pliers works fine too in lieu of an anvil) to make the wire bend with the correct angle. This has produced good results once I got the method down. If there is any extra wire, you can trim that with a pair of dikes (scissors will be dulled if you try to use those).
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Did anyone get the AEK ISO Plate from this buy? I'm designing a similar plate and I'm curious if there was any lessons learned there I should know about.