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Offline Giorgio

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[IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set
« on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 10:39:08 »
Hello geekhackers, what do you think about a gmk alphas set?

Since there has just been a soware run by others, it will almost certainly be 2M on 2B (white font on gray keycaps).

I will probably add a 1.25u R4 and a 1u R4, since most modifiers set don't include that!

A thread by wodan with further discussion about an international addon to the alphas: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0

(74 pcs.) including n.3 spacebars (6u, 6.25u, 7u)

MOQ 150 sets, 49.5€/set, (net, EXW, individual sorting and packing in a shrink-wrapped plastic tray)


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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 10:41:20 »
Add an International/NORDE kit and I'm in.

Getting just alphas is a great idea though. I have so many modifier kits just not enough alphas ;)

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 10:41:28 »
How many keys are needed for the Norde, probably about 15 keys? that should be about €13...

Add an International/NORDE kit and I'm in.

Getting just alphas is a great idea though. I have so many modifier kits just not enough alphas ;)

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 10:46:17 »
This is a great "full" NORDE/GB kit put together by Tombery:


Unfortunately, it's not very compact. I've been trying for a while to assemble a smaller kit that makes GMK NORDE kits more likely to happen. Will keep you updated.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 11:00:03 »
I'd be in for an alpha set if it is made in U9 base color and includes an E-profile \|. Maybe a variation in the font color would be nice, something in the lines of HF or Carbon. An U9 base set would be a great set to mix and match with multiple modifiers, even to add some nice touches to classic beige sets, or to add hints for alternate layers.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 11:15:31 »
I'd be in for an alpha set if it is made in U9 base color and includes an E-profile \|. Maybe a variation in the font color would be nice, something in the lines of HF or Carbon. An U9 base set would be a great set to mix and match with multiple modifiers, even to add some nice touches to classic beige sets, or to add hints for alternate layers.

what is an E-profile \|? If it is an R4 \|, it's already included.

Thanks for the suggestion about the color.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 11:22:23 »
I'd be in for an alpha set if it is made in U9 base color and includes an E-profile \|. Maybe a variation in the font color would be nice, something in the lines of HF or Carbon. An U9 base set would be a great set to mix and match with multiple modifiers, even to add some nice touches to classic beige sets, or to add hints for alternate layers.

what is an E-profile \|? If it is an R4 \|, it's already included.

Thanks for the suggestion about the color.


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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 11:23:46 »
As the MOQ is the same, I'd say that a norde 'kit' is not a good idea, but rather a full norde 'set' (ie. a combined ansi + norde 'kit' as in wodan's post, and remove all ansi only keys). I can compose a set of keys which should cover most users.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 11:28:20 »
As the MOQ is the same, I'd say that a norde 'kit' is not a good idea, but rather a full norde 'set' (ie. a combined ansi + norde 'kit' as in wodan's post, and remove all ansi only keys). I can compose a set of keys which should cover most users.


This may work, but only in traditional Beige colors, to go along with existing sets. I am really interested in see what the OP comes with, after some additional discussion.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 13:51:46 »
So something like this. The MOQ is the same as for a norde 'kit' anyway and the total price is lower, likely around 50€ (half of the 'sorting' & 'setup' price and 19 keys less than with buying ansi + adapter separately).

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 14:01:30 »
I think that in this first phase we can only think about adding 5 keys maximum to the base set.

Considering that one key costs about €0.8, it's impossible to add 20 keys to the base set... this kills the alpha. If only we had 100 buyers from Norway...

In the interest of all, national localization addons should only be designed as separated addon sets.

Your turn :-)
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 14:10:33 »
Just to give my readers an idea of the enormous number of keys needed for a proper localization, here are some addons:

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 14:16:26 »
I think that in this first phase we can only think about adding 5 keys maximum to the base set.

Considering that one key costs about €0.8, it's impossible to add 20 keys to the base set... this kills the alpha. If only we had 100 buyers from Norway...

In the interest of all, national localization addons should only be designed as separated addon sets.

Your turn :-)
I do not understand your comment. I do not propose to add keys to the main kit, rather because the MOQ is no different and with a _separate complete set_ the norde folk would save a lot of money, I propose to run a completely separate complete kit for norde only. This would be in addition of the ansi set you have in the first post.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 14:24:30 »
I think that in this first phase we can only think about adding 5 keys maximum to the base set.

Considering that one key costs about €0.8, it's impossible to add 20 keys to the base set... this kills the alpha. If only we had 100 buyers from Norway...

In the interest of all, national localization addons should only be designed as separated addon sets.

Your turn :-)
I do not understand your comment. I do not propose to add keys to the main kit, rather because the MOQ is no different and with a _separate complete set_ the norde folk would save a lot of money, I propose to run a completely separate complete kit for norde only. This would be in addition of the ansi set you have in the first post.

Sorry... I didn't get it... I'm too tired :-) If the main set gets any traction, and we can optimistically think that it can reach the the moq, we can obviously consider any variation from the beaten track. But consider also that there are substantial discounts. So, it's probably cheaper to sell 300 main sets plus a national addon, than selling 150 main sets, plus 150 norde complete sets.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 14:33:48 »
I think that in this first phase we can only think about adding 5 keys maximum to the base set.

Considering that one key costs about €0.8, it's impossible to add 20 keys to the base set... this kills the alpha. If only we had 100 buyers from Norway...

In the interest of all, national localization addons should only be designed as separated addon sets.

Your turn :-)
I do not understand your comment. I do not propose to add keys to the main kit, rather because the MOQ is no different and with a _separate complete set_ the norde folk would save a lot of money, I propose to run a completely separate complete kit for norde only. This would be in addition of the ansi set you have in the first post.

Sorry... I didn't get it... I'm too tired :-) If the main set gets any traction, and we can optimistically think that it can reach the the moq, we can obviously consider any variation from the beaten track. But consider also that there are substantial discounts. So, it's probably cheaper to sell 300 main sets plus a national addon, than selling 150 main sets, plus 150 norde complete sets.
I dont think that the offset of lower price tiers would overweight the 19 unnecessary keys in the ansi base. This can easily be tested by quoting at 300 MOQ as well and if the difference is larger than a 30 key addon we should of course go that route. Also I think that it is easier to sell 150 norde sets at 50€ than it is to sell 150 42€ ansi sets with 30€ norde addon. The ansi set will tip anyway, I'm just saying that 50€ is less than 70€. Addons have a point if MOQ can vary, or if there is a large extended audience who wish to buy just the addon, which I don't realistically think there is.
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 14:54:10 »
As long as there are keys with bars AND keys with scoops, and the color is nice, I'll probably be in. I hope the colors match with bluegaloo or purple mods. Dark letters with a lighter base is preferable.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 15:21:30 »
I probably would also be in, I have many colourful mods but no nice alphas.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 21:38:42 »
Would love Alphas in RO1.
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 02:29:11 »
Would love Alphas in RO1.

GMK Flames will feature P3 Alphas, very close to RO2
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 02:51:57 »
I have spent some time putting together the non-ANSI keys of some ISO locales. Came up with ~35 keys that would help covering GB, DE and NO/SE/DK quite well while also offering decent coverage for ES/PT/IT locales:


The GREEN keys are my proposals for the "Wodan International Kit" ... that should be <30$

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:24:48 »
I have spent some time putting together the non-ANSI keys of some ISO locales. Came up with ~35 keys that would help covering GB, DE and NO/SE/DK quite well while also offering decent coverage for ES/PT/IT locales:
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The GREEN keys are my proposals for the "Wodan International Kit" ... that should be <30$
You seem to have removed a lot of number row keys completely, while retaining tetritary legends on alphas. I'd go the other way. Spending 70+€ on alphas and still having incorrect keys seems counter intuitive when an all inclusive norde set can be had at ~50€. Of course uk would not be covered, but it's not really on yours either and they have usually coverage on gmk kits anyway. Pt&es is nice to see though, I should see about adding that support and see how many keys it would take.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:31:46 »
This is the KLE link to my current design:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/6f7830fa68c43c022e3d691bddb1a9a2

You can see that I market five of the previously green keys yellow since they are candidates for further optimization.

An all-inclusive NORDE kit for 50$ has never happened and is very unlikely to happen unless you have ridiculously popular set like Carbon.
Getting NORDE on board for ~25-30$ might make some keycap set designers consider adding these keys to their GMK base kits.

And the Mµ might even replace the M key in an ANSI set. Mµ FTW!

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:48:22 »
This is the KLE link to my current design:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/6f7830fa68c43c022e3d691bddb1a9a2

You can see that I market five of the previously green keys yellow since they are candidates for further optimization.

An all-inclusive NORDE kit for 50$ has never happened and is very unlikely to happen unless you have ridiculously popular set like Carbon.
Getting NORDE on board for ~25-30$ might make some keycap set designers consider adding these keys to their GMK base kits.

And the Mµ might even replace the M key in an ANSI set. Mµ FTW!
So what you are saying here is that for this alphas only gb, which Giorgio is putting in place, we are more likely to get 150 norde + es + pt buyers at 70€ who are willing to get incomplete sets, than it is to get 150 norde buyers at 50€ and with complete coverage. I'm confused. As for adding keys to other GMK buys base sets in the  future, I agree that switching from UK to some other locales would be a nice thing to see, but even then I would vote for accurate sets one locale at a time, rather than 5 random keys from every locale.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 04:03:24 »
This makes a lot of sense

I've also been urging Originative to do this too

Since there are separate modifier packs, it makes sense to let people mix and match sets to their hearts desire

For the color selection, I think, go for T9 on 2B (or another white instead of T9, but 2B as the base is the objective)

It's both unique and neutral
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 04:13:52 »
What are you talking about? A 50$ complete NORDE kit lso needs the matching alphas. For what colour scheme could you see a complete NORDE kit happen? Carbon is the only one I can think of and that's in the making.

My hope is this could become something that replaces the rudimentary ISO-UK kit included in some GMK base kits and offer much more coverage for the smallest markup possible.

If you follow an all-or-nothing approach here, you will continue to see zero GMK sets with Nordic support. I would love to see complete NORDE/International kits like it's possible with SP MOQ but with GMK MOQ this is illusionary. My goal is to find the golden compromise, if you want to contribute to that you're welcome but if you keep telling me that ALL TEH KEYS is better than almost all the keys that are almost perfectly matching, I got the message and can't do anything about it. If this is your personal standard, I am unable to help you.
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 04:33:46 »
So something like this. The MOQ is the same as for a norde 'kit' anyway and the total price is lower, likely around 50€ (half of the 'sorting' & 'setup' price and 19 keys less than with buying ansi + adapter separately).

(Attachment Link)

What are you talking about? A 50$ complete NORDE kit lso needs the matching alphas. For what colour scheme could you see a complete NORDE kit happen? Carbon is the only one I can think of and that's in the making.

My hope is this could become something that replaces the rudimentary ISO-UK kit included in some GMK base kits and offer much more coverage for the smallest markup possible.

If you follow an all-or-nothing approach here, you will continue to see zero GMK sets with Nordic support. I would love to see complete NORDE/International kits like it's possible with SP MOQ but with GMK MOQ this is illusionary. My goal is to find the golden compromise, if you want to contribute to that you're welcome but if you keep telling me that ALL TEH KEYS is better than almost all the keys that are almost perfectly matching, I got the message and can't do anything about it. If this is your personal standard, I am unable to help you.
At Giorgio's 0,8€ per key estimate, this would be around 52€ and does not require matching alphas.

I propose to run this in addition to the ansi set in the first post instead of a norde 'addon', as this would be cheaper.
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 06:08:38 »
At Giorgio's 0,8€ per key estimate, this would be around 52€ and does not require matching alphas.

I propose to run this in addition to the ansi set in the first post instead of a norde 'addon', as this would be cheaper.

What locale is that?
Do you really thing a SINGLE ISO locale set could hit 150 units?
Can you name enough community members to at least sell 20 of these kits?

There's a GMK Dolch GB run in a German keyboard community, a VERY popular color scheme that has very limited availability in ISO-DE so far - best case scenario for a successful GB - and they will have a hard time reaching MOQ.

The best chance we have is the "almost full" NORDE kit that will hopefully soon be offered for Carbon. Making a NORDE kit for GMK Carbon was the initial inspiration for this whole effort here. I am curious to see if Carbon, by far the most successful GMK GB in the recent history, can support sales of 150 "full" Norde kits.

ISO-Int support in GMK GBs has been very disappointing for me so far and I want to improve it. So far we are seeing more and more large GMK sets that include a few ISO-UK keycaps which are probably already in the kit I am working on.

Take this GMK GB as an example: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85147.0
They already include the Q@ and Mµ and two ISO-UK keycaps. With an just 28 additional keys (current key count 148 so just 19% more keys) they could offer very good support for four additional ISO locales and add rudimentary support for another three locales!

Sorry, I am derailing this thread a little. Will open a new thread for my proposal and hope maybe this "ISO-International essentials kit" is taken into consideration/calculation by the OP.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 06:24:15 »
Sorry, I am derailing this thread a little. Will open a new thread for my proposal and hope maybe this "ISO-International essentials kit" is taken into consideration/calculation by the OP.

Thank you for all the your suggestions on this impervious topic. For what I know this IC is one of the first to try to find support for alphas, I hope that it can gain some interest, and that others can follow, opening some space for creative combinations.

I express my full support for an international addon to this alpha gb, but I think that making a new thread where we can express all our opinions about localization is the best choice, in order to focus on colors and small additions to the base set that I've defined.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 06:29:58 »
...a new thread where we can express all our opinions about localization is the best choice, in order to focus on colors and small additions to the base set that I've defined.

Done: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 06:46:07 »
What locale is that?
FI/SWE, NO and DE are combined in that example.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 08:21:45 »
The suggestions so far, in order of my personal preference.

khaan: "T9 grey on 2B (or another white instead of T9, but 2B as the base is the objective)"
This is a great suggestion, I think that 2B is quite unique, and that it would look really nice with many sets: WOB, bluegaloo, carbon, black modifiers, dolch, triumph adler...

ideus: "U9 base color. Maybe a variation in the font color would be nice, something in the lines of HF or Carbon. "

xondat: "Dark letters with a lighter base is preferable."

repulsor: "Would love Alphas in RO1."

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 08:27:04 »
Another option is simply going with an N9 base, or a custom color between N9 and 2B

Indeed 2B is unique, but I'm afraid it's more on the cheap side of the grey spectrum, it would be nice to catch the "Pebble" shade of grey, maybe we could even call it "GMK Pebble"
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 10:53:08 »
this could be interesting :)

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:13:09 »
this could be interesting :)

Thanks, please let me know if you have preferences about the colours.
I'm starting to think that I should offer something that goes well with skidata, carbon, and classic beige.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:28:43 »
I think Bluegaloo + This: https://www.originativeco.com/products/magenta-mods might be better targets

Carbon already has awesome alphas
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:31:25 »
I think Bluegaloo + This: https://www.originativeco.com/products/magenta-mods might be better targets

Carbon already has awesome alphas

Ok I'll think about that, and if it's possible to improve them. They both need white fonts...
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 05:31:08 »
The original TA had light grey alphas. The recent remake switched to almost white.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #37 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 05:50:14 »
Those are some good looking alphas

That shift is so crooked tho, cherry stabs gone wrong :)
Probably the owner is a pinky shift user
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 05:57:17 »
The original TA had light grey alphas.
Pretty much like the OG Olivetti.
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set - Orangesicle?
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 06:00:59 »
originale orangesicle
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 06:25:36 »

Do you really thing a SINGLE ISO locale set could hit 150 units?
Can you name enough community members to at least sell 20 of these kits?


I suspect that right now it would be hard to get a 150 order together but I also think for ISO users we are going about it all wrong. 

Right now there are 3 main English language sites (geekhack, deskthority and reddit) and they all seem to slant towards different needs and users.  There are also the Massdrop comments that really seem to have a solid number of users that do not visit the other sites.  On top of that there is the German forum and I think there is a Nordic forum somewhere.

There are now a number of ISO focused shops (uk keycaps comes to mind) that would have ISO customers who might never see the forums or cannot be bothered looking through pages of forums for a good ISO set.  I have no idea how to get them on board as they exist to sell keycaps and massdrop is probably the best place for this to happen.

I think if there was a great GMK set  that offered excellent ISO support *and* the  creators spent time getting all the forums supporting it *and* it was offered via massdrop *and* there was a sales tax solution for the made in EU, shipped to USA, shipped back to EU problem then it could work.

But that is a large number of "if" statements to work through.  Probably getting the message out on reddit is important, but the format and speed of the site makes that very hard to do.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set - Orangesicle?
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 06:25:42 »
A bit of color correction might be needed :)

And here's one of my layouts: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/29246eecf5d733689a4bbc9ba9a85178

You can use the style + icons
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Re: GMK alphas €41/set - Orangesicle?
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 06:59:12 »
A bit of color correction might be needed :)

And here's one of my layouts: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/29246eecf5d733689a4bbc9ba9a85178

You can use the style + icons

thanks :-)
I added the spacebars to the main set, raising the price a little.

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:11:20 »
If the base color you want to use is a light one, L9 will make more sense, to go along existing OG Cherry beige sets, that makes the base set interesting for a wider audience; or, it would be an additional incentive for those that want the set if they already have some L9 base set, like our European fellows.

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 05:47:47 »
Any plans on adding the light "\|" R1 1U key for HHKB-layout? That should be the only key required to support the layout right? Most of the modifier-kits come with HHKB-support

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 07:54:36 »
I like this idea. Orange legends would be my least preferred color however.

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 07:55:52 »
I like this idea. Orange legends would be my least preferred color however.

Sorry for that :-|
I'm trying to chsose something that goes along with well established sets.
What's your suggestion? thanks
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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 08:10:16 »
Any plans on adding the light "\|" R1 1U key for HHKB-layout? That should be the only key required to support the layout right? Most of the modifier-kits come with HHKB-support

I think that hhkb would require two keys, not just one. See the keys circled in yellow. If there's demand, we could add it.
What do you think about the colors?

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 08:15:06 »
If there's interest in a lower cost set, blank keys cost about €0.5/each. So for a set of 50 keys, the cost would be €25.

But I don't think that I could have much following...

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 08:28:58 »
I like this idea. Orange legends would be my least preferred color however.

Sorry for that :-|
I'm trying to chose something that goes well with well established sets.
What's your suggestion? thanks

I think Khaannn's suggestion of light grey T9 onto a darker grey would be nice. Very universal and can pair with most standalone modifier packs that are readily available. Those color specific alphanumeric options (orange, blue) were already available with their respective group buys and therefore might not have as much interest behind them.

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 08:40:57 »
A poll - even when have proved wrong, most of the time - may come handy, at least to get some data on interest for different colors for base and legends.

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 09:27:16 »
Thanks, I'll do that tomorrow, I'm quite in a hurry right now :-) Meanwhile if you a list of options to suggest, I would be happy to include them.

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 09:32:02 »
Those orange caps are very similair to the GMK Monkey keycaps from a GB last spring. Originative still has them in stock:
https://www.originativeco.com/products/orange-dream

Edit: I don't want to be a party pooper but make you aware that this will be a difficult color scheme to sell while something very close is still in stock.
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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - POLL added
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 04:26:25 »

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - Orangsicle?
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 06:08:49 »
Any plans on adding the light "\|" R1 1U key for HHKB-layout? That should be the only key required to support the layout right? Most of the modifier-kits come with HHKB-support

I think that hhkb would require two keys, not just one. See the keys circled in yellow. If there's demand, we could add it.
What do you think about the colors?

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Oh, I forgot to answer, my thought was that the other key often is included in modifier-kits, and thus not needed in this kit? I am uncertain on color, but as many others would suggest something that works well with classic sets.

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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - POLL added
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:31:34 »

The set should include some alternate keys like:


\| R1, R3, R4, 1.5u R2
'~ R1, R3
<>\ R4
#~ R3


Because it will not be color compatible with any standard set.


I think we are talking about four dollars @150 units; or so, to include them, but the set will greatly expand its compatibility.


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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - POLL added
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 08:00:53 »
ANSI Alpha set with extended support for ISO UK, HHKB and some European ANSI variants.



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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - POLL added
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 18 November 2016, 03:22:46 »
ANSI Alpha set with extended support for ISO UK, HHKB and some European ANSI variants.


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Thanks for this valuable suggestion.

I've asked gmk if joining kit A and B could possibly lower the per key price.
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Re: GMK alphas €43/set - POLL added
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 02:45:59 »
I think that everyone will like this new price. I joined the three sets, bringing the number of keys to 71, and the price increases by only 6.5 eur.

71pcs. Set (A+B+C)
MOQ 150 sets, 49.5€/set, (net, EXW, individual sorting and packing in a shrink-wrapped plastic tray)


 
Plus, possibly, some GMK keys for free.

 

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 03:16:50 »
As a general suggestion/feedback, this IC is a bit hard to follow

Some suggestions:
1) Add a Purpose/Aim: Probably the reason is every GB leaving some people behind, while they can easily satisfy a larger group of people, with alternative packs
2) Update the original post with progress: Even a simple keyboardlayouteditor collection of the current keys would do

Otherwise great work, I'm curious what this IC will evolve into
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 04:21:47 »
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As a general suggestion/feedback, this IC is a bit hard to follow

Some suggestions:
1) Add a Purpose/Aim: Probably the reason is every GB leaving some people behind, while they can easily satisfy a larger group of people, with alternative packs
2) Update the original post with progress: Even a simple keyboardlayouteditor collection of the current keys would do

Otherwise great work, I'm curious what this IC will evolve into

thanks, I updated the OP with a "render"
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 04:51:17 »
Did we skip the R1 \| ? This is a deal breaker for me (and probably some others in the 60% camp).

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 05:23:08 »
Did we skip the R1 \| ? This is a deal breaker for me (and probably some others in the 60% camp).

added, thanks for noticing!

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 09:43:23 »
The R1 tilde is part of the Alphas in an ANSI set, it should be included; or, maybe you should change the name of the set that implies people are getting a full alpha set; which, will not be true with no tilde.


Pricing is good; but, the lack of the tilde and a R3 \| may prevent me to join; unless, the set comes in standard beige to pair it with the keys I have on hand, already.

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 10:00:08 »
The R1 tilde is part of the Alphas in an ANSI set, it should be included; or, maybe you should change the name of the set that implies people are getting a full alpha set; which, will not be true with no tilde.


Pricing is good; but, the lack of the tilde and a R3 \| may prevent me to join; unless, the set comes in standard beige to pair it with the keys I have on hand, already.

I fixed the tilde, but why should we add the "R3 \| "? There's already the R3 #?

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 10:06:43 »
I guess R3 \| is for the ISO English, with the big enter

But, R1 `~ is already in the renders, ideus?
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 10:18:53 »
Thank you for adding the tilde.


Regarding the R3 \|, as Khaannn stated, it is for ISO English layouts. In my case, I decided to use ISO English because I found it to be the best layout for Latex writing, that requires the use of \ character for all commands, making its use more frequent than with regular writing; thus, all my boards are laid out with it. Being this set made in special colors, I will not have an acceptable way to replace it, if it is missing.


Here is the culprit:





I understand that this may be a particular need that should not be addressed if it does not have demand. So I will be very happy seeing this going into production with no such key, however, it will not be for me.
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« Reply #67 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 10:32:04 »
ISO/ANSI Enter /| is a dilemma for me too, from time to time, I wonder whether the huge enter is better for me, during a time, I kept mis-clicking enter while I was aiming for '"

For programming, I use | heavily, and I use Ctrl+\ to send quit signals to processes, regularly, contrary to ideus, that's why I stick to the ANSI layout, as I'm using \| heavily, giving it a 1.5u spot is worth it

But typing wise, I would say, the ISO Enter is better, less chance of Enter mis-clicks, and Enter mis-clicks are super costly in the Instant Messaging world we live in
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 21 November 2016, 10:36:52 »
I had the same dilemma and I did my own personal experimentation in the last four years, finally, I settled with big ISO Enter and |\ in the home row. The layout is not the more handsome, symmetry-wise, but it rocks while typing. See this short example of the headings in a test I am writing for this week in Latex  :)) :



\documentclass[11pt]{exam}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[spanish]{babel}
\decimalpoint
\usepackage[margin=1in]{geometry}
\usepackage{amsmath,amssymb}
\usepackage{multicol}


% Checkmarks and cross marks
\usepackage{pifont}
\newcommand{\cmark}{\ding{52}}
\newcommand{\xmark}{\ding{56}}


\pointpoints{punto}{puntos}
\hpword{Puntos:}
\vpword{Puntos}
\htword{Totale}
\vtword{Totales}
\vsword{Resultado}




\newcommand{\class}{Int. al Dis. de Experimentos}
\newcommand{\term}{Admisión 2017-A}
\newcommand{\examnum}{Ex. Parte I y Parte II.}
\newcommand{\examdate}{26 de Noviembre de 2016}
\newcommand{\timelimit}{150 ''}


\pagestyle{head}
\firstpageheader{}{}{}
\runningheader{\class}{\examnum\ - Page \thepage\ of \numpages}{\examdate}
\runningheadrule
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 22 November 2016, 05:26:54 »
I'm not sure what to think about it, but the R3 |/ seems quite rare...
And the R4 |/ should probably be replaced by <>?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#United_Kingdom

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« Reply #70 on: Tue, 22 November 2016, 05:44:33 »
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 22 November 2016, 07:39:00 »
An alternative for R4 \| is <>\.


Again, as Khaannn referred, the R3 \| key is included in classic sets for some variations of ANSI layouts with ISO Enter keys; while, R1 \| is demanded, just recently, due to the interest for implementing the HHKB layout on MX keyboards. I have seen a few examples of old keyboards that carries the last, though.

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:26:53 »

One more suggestion:


Duynguyenle's advice on Ivan's side printed legends is a great solution for the ISO-UK keys, it saves three keys out of the Alpha set; also, it allows the addition of US ANSI International sublegends that may cover the need of many international users if they use the US ANSI layout.


I suggest the following alpha's side printed legends:





Here there are some samples of the keys with ISO-UK side printed legends, reported by duynguyenle:



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« Reply #73 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:32:00 »
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)

It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:40:04 »
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)

It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car


I can understand the hate; however, I respectfully disagree that a decision based on hate only is a good one; we should agree that is an acceptable solution to minimize the key count if we want a low cost set. For me, that I should write in two more latin base languages, besides English, is the best solution. There may be some that are interested in that, for example, considering the set that ran in green on beige this year over MD it got enough support to reach MoQ, that showed us that there is some demand for such legends; however, pad printing on the top is a sub par option for durability, no matter how good GMK's pad printing is. Side printing could be the best of both worlds.


Again, it is a proposal, that if runs may be my definitely end game, the Alphas that may cover all my needs and happen to look cool.

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #75 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:40:33 »
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)

It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car

Me too... I don't like so much side printing...

Thanks ideus for your continuous stream of suggestions, we almost always agree :-)

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« Reply #76 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:41:19 »
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)

It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car

Me too... I don't like so much side printing...


Ok, I supose that is a final NO, thank you.

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« Reply #77 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:48:21 »
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)

It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car

Me too... I don't like so much side printing...


Ok, I supose that is a final NO, thank you.

Sorry ideus, now I see that you've written a very long post that I'll evaluate the moment I turn on my pc.

I'm in talk with a potential group leader, so I'll talk about this with him. No final decision taken :-) ok?

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« Reply #78 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:53:20 »
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)

It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car

Me too... I don't like so much side printing...


Ok, I supose that is a final NO, thank you.

Sorry ideus, now I see that you've written a very long post that I'll evaluate the moment I turn on my pc.

I'm in talk with a potential group leader, so I'll talk about this with him. No final decision taken :-) ok?


Great! I really think it may be a good solution to get a more inclusive, low cost Alpha set. Thank you for the answer.

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 11:09:20 »
I think, with the positive attitude GMK has lately, they might reduce the MOQ for side printing, so even if we buy 150 sets in total, maybe, they might be willing to only side-print 50 of them

I also have the original GMK Dolch set, with side prints, and even though I love Dolch, I don't use those alphas, if one browses through the https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-retro-keycap-set/talk discussions, the side prints stop the show for other people too

Instead of paying less, for me, the better option is to not pay at all
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« Reply #80 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 20:09:57 »

I also have the original GMK Dolch set, with side prints, and even though I love Dolch, I don't use those alphas,



Please let me know if you are willing to sell the Dolch Alpha set with side printing.

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« Reply #81 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 20:13:27 »

I also have the original GMK Dolch set, with side prints, and even though I love Dolch, I don't use those alphas,



Please let me know if you are willing to sell the Dolch Alpha set with side printing.

Don't have a paypal, otherwise, I have a lot of things to sell :)
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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 20:17:45 »

I also have the original GMK Dolch set, with side prints, and even though I love Dolch, I don't use those alphas,



Please let me know if you are willing to sell the Dolch Alpha set with side printing.

Don't have a paypal, otherwise, I have a lot of things to sell :)


It is a shame, I would be very happy to take those keys out of your way, if you are not using them at all.

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« Reply #83 on: Sat, 26 November 2016, 07:03:39 »
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon

US-International on an ISO board needs that additional R4 \| cap. This would be nice to have.

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« Reply #84 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 11:15:52 »
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon

R4 pipe/backslash is a standard key on every ISO-UK sets. It's the one next to the left shift (same place as the <> key on ISO-DE)
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« Reply #85 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 11:29:04 »
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon

R4 pipe/backslash is a standard key on every ISO-UK sets. It's the one next to the left shift (same place as the <> key on ISO-DE)

Very interesting, admittedly, I never noticed, thanks for the info
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« Reply #86 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 13:59:43 »
I believe F keys should be left out. They are mods after all.
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« Reply #87 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 14:05:20 »
I believe F keys should be left out. They are mods after all.

Makes sense, I personally don't use F-keys, and even if I did use, I would probably use the ones from other sets I have, to further mix and match things

GMK Retro has some nice all-gray F-keys for example, would've been nice to have them

I personally have 4-5 sets of Dolch F-keys

Assuming this GB is for people with a GMK addiction, I'm guessing F-keys will be in abundance
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #88 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 11:12:45 »
I believe F keys should be left out. They are mods after all.

Makes sense, I personally don't use F-keys, and even if I did use, I would probably use the ones from other sets I have, to further mix and match things

GMK Retro has some nice all-gray F-keys for example, would've been nice to have them

I personally have 4-5 sets of Dolch F-keys

Assuming this GB is for people with a GMK addiction, I'm guessing F-keys will be in abundance

F-keys are necessary! This isn't targeted only to 60% keyboards users...

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« Reply #89 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 11:29:00 »
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon

R4 pipe/backslash is a standard key on every ISO-UK sets. It's the one next to the left shift (same place as the <> key on ISO-DE)

R4 <> appears in these layouts:
danish estonian faroese finnish german icelandic italian norwegian polish portuguese slovack spanish latin-american swedish


R4 \| appears in these layouts:
united kingdom, and iso international (?)

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #90 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 11:34:01 »
In for a set when this happens.  US ANSI/ISO user who codes.  My specific input:

 - Matching F-keys are needed.
 - ISO Enter with R3 |\ is optimum for pipes and escapes.
 - I have the ISO <> on some keyboards, but it mostly serves to cause errors when I reach for the L_Shift key.
 - 1u blanks or (even better) relegendables for all rows helps re-mapping and possibly localization.
 - Black on Beige is Best!

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(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)

p.s. KHAANNN, I'd be happy to work something out with you re Fn keys, as my GH-122 eats them for lunch and dinner.
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #91 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 12:14:16 »
Voted for the set with white lettering.
Most of the modifier sets I know have white lettering (Ivans purple mods, Bluelagoo, WoB Modifier set) so doing white lettered alphas would match the majority of modifier sets.

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #92 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 12:20:09 »
This looks great but for the love of God don't waste it on a boring combo like grey on beige. Do something fun like MG1 on AE.

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:17:37 »
I believe F keys should be left out. They are mods after all.

Makes sense, I personally don't use F-keys, and even if I did use, I would probably use the ones from other sets I have, to further mix and match things

GMK Retro has some nice all-gray F-keys for example, would've been nice to have them

I personally have 4-5 sets of Dolch F-keys

Assuming this GB is for people with a GMK addiction, I'm guessing F-keys will be in abundance

F-keys are necessary! This isn't targeted only to 60% keyboards users...

Yes, however, this set is for those who have existing GMK keycaps, and they also have existing F-row keys :)

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:32:30 »
If F keys are staying, then add them all.
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:41:37 »
If F keys are staying, then add them all.

If a neutral alpha color is selected, like gray, indeed this would make sense, I wouldn't use them, but I'm guessing, an all-gray uniform F-key line would be useful for all kinds of layouts

I was never a fan of the 2-tone F-key thing, it looks good, but sense-wise, it doesn't make much sense

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Another thing, I had the impression Giorgio wanted orange on white keycaps, yet GMK Yuri seems to be an awesome source of orange on white alpha's, are the poll results in?
« Last Edit: Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:44:55 by KHAANNN »
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #96 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 15:27:30 »
If F keys are staying, then add them all.

If a neutral alpha color is selected, like gray, indeed this would make sense, I wouldn't use them, but I'm guessing, an all-gray uniform F-key line would be useful for all kinds of layouts

I was never a fan of the 2-tone F-key thing, it looks good, but sense-wise, it doesn't make much sense

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Another thing, I had the impression Giorgio wanted orange on white keycaps, yet GMK Yuri seems to be an awesome source of orange on white alpha's, are the poll results in?

Nobody wants the orange on white :-(

Next week I'll publish the results

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #97 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 15:39:59 »
I don't think the poll would produce healthy results tho, the ordering matters, renders matters, and for my case, black on gray is the last with the worst rendering :)

A regular person would just mark the coffee set, since it's the first option, and the most flashy one
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 04 December 2016, 06:58:10 »
I chose the Soware option. I need matching alphas to pair with the Dolch Reborn cyan mods.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 04 December 2016, 21:16:27 »
I need this. Voted for olivetti and soware  :thumb:

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 08 December 2016, 07:53:14 »
Add an International/NORDE kit and I'm in.

Getting just alphas is a great idea though. I have so many modifier kits just not enough alphas ;)

This.

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Re: GMK alphas €41/set
« Reply #101 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 04:44:05 »
Add an International/NORDE kit and I'm in.

Getting just alphas is a great idea though. I have so many modifier kits just not enough alphas ;)

This.

An international addon is a thing that I really want to add.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #102 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 04:44:26 »
I need this. Voted for olivetti and soware  :thumb:

thanks :-)

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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #103 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 04:45:28 »
This looks great but for the love of God don't waste it on a boring combo like grey on beige. Do something fun like MG1 on AE.

doing something fun was my first idea.... but nobody joined me :-(
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #104 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 04:53:25 »
This looks great but for the love of God don't waste it on a boring combo like grey on beige. Do something fun like MG1 on AE.

this was my first idea.... but nobody joined me :-(

GMK Watermelon?

I think it could be a disaster, better do white on MG1 + white on AE, if one wants a watermelon set

Tho, I can't even imagine how MG1 on AE would look, would the contrast be low? It's hard to imagine
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Re: GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #105 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 06:41:53 »
This looks great but for the love of God don't waste it on a boring combo like grey on beige. Do something fun like MG1 on AE.

this was my first idea.... but nobody joined me :-(

GMK Watermelon?

I think it could be a disaster, better do white on MG1 + white on AE, if one wants a watermelon set

Tho, I can't even imagine how MG1 on AE would look, would the contrast be low? It's hard to imagine

Sorry, I meant "something fun", but not that combo  :)

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #106 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 08:50:52 »
For fun, I think variable legend colouring could be interesting, for the regular ANSI layout, the top row could be blue, []{}|\ could be orange ;:'" could be red, <>?,./ could be yellow, QWERT...NM could be green, or further mixed colors

I obviously made up the colors, but this could be fun, just a wild idea

However, I personally found orange on white a bit boring :) (At least initially, now, maybe not so much, but it's still extremely risky)
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 11 December 2016, 15:29:05 »
Is there a final render for the set layout?

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #108 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 02:48:00 »
Is there a final render for the set layout?

The final render will be posted by the group buy leader very soon.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #109 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 07:10:08 »
The final render will be posted by the group buy leader very soon.
Isn't that you?
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #110 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 07:21:59 »
Is there a final render for the set layout?

The final render will be posted by the group buy leader very soon.


As others I thought that you were the group buy leader; but, I remember a mention of some other individual. Thank you for the feedback.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #111 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 11:01:30 »
The final render will be posted by the group buy leader very soon.
Isn't that you?

I've contacted a trusted geekhack member who will run this gb. Since in the past there have been some proplems of reliability, I decided that a proven group buy leader was the right person to run it.
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #112 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 13:58:32 »
I've contacted a trusted geekhack member who will run this gb. Since in the past there have been some proplems of reliability, I decided that a proven group buy leader was the right person to run it.
That makes sense. I just wonder how shipping costs will be affected.
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL added
« Reply #113 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 03:32:13 »
One month ago, I found a gh member who had run previously some group buys. But his commitment ceased since he has to run other group buys.
I think that after the numerous scams there can't be anymore a successful group buy run by an unproven member, so I'm asking if there's any of you interested in running this.

poll results

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #114 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 04:33:31 »
We can ask Originative to run it, 2B seems to have performed really well even though the kle render doesn't to it justice
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #115 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 05:47:41 »
We can ask Originative to run it, 2B seems to have performed really well even though the kle render doesn't to it justice

Ok! I'll wait a couple of days, and if none comes forward, we can contact them.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #116 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 06:33:40 »
If we end up deciding on 2B, it might be a good idea to wait until April for this: https://www.originativeco.com/products/honeywell - the 2B Modifiers might give an idea for the 2B Alphas - From the renders, 2B doesn't look like a nice shade of grey, it looks a bit dead/cheap - I suspect this won't be the case with actual keycaps
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #117 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 08:26:27 »
Dumb question: Why it would be 2b if Soware was the winner of the poll?

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #118 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 08:39:41 »
Dumb question: Why it would be 2b if Soware was the winner of the poll?

Given the investment in time and money, the color will be decided by the person who will run the gb. I don't own this set more that the people that have commented on this thread.
In the end there are three top combinations: soware, blue font on grey/white, and white font on grey.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #119 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 08:39:52 »
Dumb question: Why it would be 2b if Soware was the winner of the poll?

"If we end up deciding on 2B"
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #120 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 10:42:56 »
Dumb question: Why it would be 2b if Soware was the winner of the poll?

Given the investment in time and money, the color will be decided by the person who will run the gb. I don't own this set more that the people that have commented on this thread.
In the end there are three top combinations: soware, blue font on grey/white, and white font on grey.


Of course.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #121 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 16:43:43 »
good to see soware won the poll but sadly it didn't come with full set.

GMK Soware is my dream  :'(

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #122 on: Tue, 07 February 2017, 15:20:25 »
Are there updates on this? Someone has to make this a reality.
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #123 on: Tue, 07 February 2017, 19:46:08 »
im down with soware alphas

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #124 on: Tue, 07 February 2017, 20:09:16 »
They will exist soon: https://www.keyclack.com/product/gb-gmk-soware/ (Proxied from a China GB)
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #125 on: Tue, 07 February 2017, 20:21:37 »
They will exist soon: https://www.keyclack.com/product/gb-gmk-soware/ (Proxied from a China GB)

It is very kind of you sharing the link. But I just need an alpha set, however, the full one is very tempting.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 07 February 2017, 20:26:30 »
There's always the "first" boost for any GB, and with this Soware GB, that boost is lost, sadly their alphas are pretty bare, so they kind of ruined the soware alpha colourway a bit from this aspect (also have side prints)

It seems to be a GB for the original GMK crowd, rather than the next generation
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 07 February 2017, 22:57:22 »
i only like the alphas, not really fond of that RGBYO mods. im going to use the alphas to pair with a different modifiers so making a soware alphas gb would be nice

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - POLL results - searching for a group buy leader
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 02:10:57 »
Sorry for the long delay. The interest check, upon my request, was immediately adopted by Originative  :thumb:
It will be run soon (tm).

I will probably add a 1.25u R4 and a 1u R4, since most modifiers set don't include that!

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - will be run by Originative
« Reply #129 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 07:14:13 »
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.

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« Reply #130 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 07:21:58 »
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.

Originative pricing is usually a bit high lately, especially post-GB pricing, pre-GB it's still at the high end of the reasonable pricing spectrum
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - will be run by Originative
« Reply #131 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 07:29:31 »
Damn, where can I get something like this with a color similar to n16 as the legends?

Looks good.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - will be run by Originative
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 07:49:22 »
2m on 2b? awwww... how about N5 for legends? or are there any keyset has that colorway? (N5 on 2B)
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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - will be run by Originative
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 08:51:20 »
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.

Originative pricing is usually a bit high lately, especially post-GB pricing, pre-GB it's still at the high end of the reasonable pricing spectrum

Right. It is what concerns me a bit. I just hope that being this an alpha only set that pricing is more into reasonable range of the price spectrum.

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - will be run by Originative
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:13:50 »
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.

Originative pricing is usually a bit high lately, especially post-GB pricing, pre-GB it's still at the high end of the reasonable pricing spectrum

Keeping a low pricing is the only way to make this successful! I will earn nothing  from this set, so maybe we will save 1$ for each order  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - will be run by Originative
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:46:48 »
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.

Originative pricing is usually a bit high lately, especially post-GB pricing, pre-GB it's still at the high end of the reasonable pricing spectrum

Keeping a low pricing is the only way to make this successful! I will earn nothing  from this set, so maybe we will save 1$ for each order  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK alphas €49.5/set - will be run by Originative
« Reply #136 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 10:52:19 »
I think you should at least get one set out of charge tho ;)

I don't think +$1 would matter much
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