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Title: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CONCLUDED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 30 April 2020, 17:06:13
HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS

The stars align! After a pretty intensive IC phase with lots of fertile discussions, we have finally reached the GB phase. Oh and btw, new name! SKB (Simple Keyboard) is no more, it's a Heavy Metal Keyboard now (or HMKB). To make the whole GB process easier for all of us, I set up a shop. A discord channel is also available now. BUT PLEASE, before you do anything, take your time and read this start post including the FAQ - because 95% of the time it helps all the time ;)

Renders

HMKB-60 Standard with GMK Dark

(https://i.imgur.com/dKsyFY0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/MTNs4ky.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5NfjDGe.png)

HMKB-60 HHKB stainless steel with GMK Ashes

(https://i.imgur.com/Q4aZsNm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ibZfbyQ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3n21Ozs.png)

HMKB-65 with Dolch

(https://i.imgur.com/ar0sFhP.png) (https://i.imgur.com/jyidCcF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xV6RP8y.png)

HMKB-65 with GMK TARO R2

(https://i.imgur.com/iTw5bZJ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/EW2pcAP.png) (https://i.imgur.com/uecpy2o.png) (https://i.imgur.com/qSY40y5.png)

HMKB-75 with GMK Nautilus R2

(https://i.imgur.com/kG3DChg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/KWVf0Au.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Jfwi6ol.png) (https://i.imgur.com/E04Ndns.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2CWYd4M.png) (https://i.imgur.com/8Q0Bysl.png)

HMKB-75 with GMK Ashes

(https://i.imgur.com/4j87zil.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QZZnSAN.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ye2d3dX.png) (https://i.imgur.com/v6oU0bx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/uf1dfEc.png)

HMKB-80 WKL with OG Cherry caps & RGB Modifier

(https://i.imgur.com/oMkYEsk.png) (https://i.imgur.com/adudkc4.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ZCrnSlY.png) (https://i.imgur.com/lWRa7Kb.png)

HMKB-80 with WoB

(https://i.imgur.com/ipLbXll.png) (https://i.imgur.com/d6IgZQz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/g7tdebk.png)

HMKB-95 with GMK 9009 (almost, because R0)

(https://i.imgur.com/QDnhqR9.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5ErEHso.png) (https://i.imgur.com/rVR5IEr.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2KIpc8R.png)

HMKB-40
there are a few in the IC thread, soon more...

Photos

RAL1013

(https://i.imgur.com/hEBuqQj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/UiVJnjc.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/FHZCAaa.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/JKl5pZb.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/J9aGd28.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/SA1miq1.jpg)

Stainless Steel

(https://i.imgur.com/txua2tS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/j2p6W0X.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2oTySU4.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/RIsQ6Xj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/h9ufsNe.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/OSS7OLS.jpg)

More photos

(https://i.imgur.com/nOUK6b3.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kOuuzyM.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/M1j7Nu9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TvVrziA.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/He508jU.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/QnYaIRO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SGp0g2S.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/BEQHXtJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ReRRbft.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UvAiwiv.jpg)

About

This is a mechanical keyboard enclosure made from bent sheet metal. After being laser cut, a big precision bending machine (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/biegemaschinen/trubend-serie-5000/) forms the sheet metal part into its final shape. Top and bottom steel parts form an extremely tough and heavy enclosure that rests firmly on your desk.
The plate that holds the switches is top mounted which is obviously revealed by the penetrating bolts. TPE grommets are used to fully isolate the plate from the bolts and the enclosure, which results in a more enjoyable typing experience.
The typing angle is adjustable by a mono leg, made of metal and attached by bolts. This ensures the case top stand rock solid at all of the four possible angles: 6, 8, 10 and 12 degrees.
The big bezels are a deliberate choice and provide a well spaced frame for the key caps.
Powder coating (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating) is a very robust, technical coating. It has a grainy texture wich is called fine structure. Beige, grey, black and yellow are the available color options.
Apart from these powder coated versions there is also a stainless steel version. It is bead blasted V2A steel.

Designed and made in Germany.

Sizes and versions

(https://i.imgur.com/bBupViv.jpg)

Specifications

Colors

Included

Pricing

See the prices in the shop. Here are some basics:

Timeline

I assume a sufficient amount orders will be reached after one month. Order should be placed in the following month. Production should take at least two months, four months at max. Then the shipping starts and it will take at least one more month until the last package will be shipped.

Expected shipping Q3 2020

Updates

the whole start post including the FAQ will be updated over time. To be most up to date you should join the discord server. Here I will only post the most important milestones.

FAQ

Q: What is included?
A: The case, plate, PCB and accessories like nuts, bolts and grommets.

Q: Who developed the PCBs?
A: Maartenwut.

Q: But I already have a PCB, can I get an HMKB without it?
A: Yes, the 60% versions are available without PCB, that's "HMKB-60s" in the shop. All other sizes are only available as kit, PCB included.

Q: Boardwalk PCB?
A: The Boardwalk PCB is the only one you'll have to get elsewhere. It's sold via MKUltra. You need to ask Silentreader regarding a Euro proxy.

Q: YAS62 PCB?
A: I have very few left from my last GB. They are the only reason a SKB2 YAS version will be made.If you already have a YAS PCB and want a new case for it, you can get the HMKB-60-YAS without the PCB, you can find it in the shop under "HMKB-60s".

Q: RGB?
A: Please leave!

Q: Hotswap?
A: No, Maarten's PCBs don't support hot swap.

Q: Can I use another PCB?
A: Yes, if you prefer a different PCB (maybe because of hot swap capability) you can do so. SKB2 is a top mount construction, so you don't need to care about screw hole compatibility. Just make sure the USB port is at the correct position. I tried a hot swap PCB, it fits, no problem.

Q: Other colors?
A: There was a long discussion about which colors and which specific RAL tone. It's beige, grey, black, yellow and stainless steel. Nothing else.

Q: Powder coating, what is that?
A: It's a durable type of technical coating. It's like baked into the metal. Google it!

Q: Only this Geekhack IC thread? Am I missing something? Discord, Instagram, anything else?
A: During the IC phase all was happening in the Geekhack thread only. Since the start of the GroupBuy, a discord server is available.

Q: What about social media?
A: No, I don't do social media at all but I don't mind if you share information about HMKB on social media, provided you link to "www.heavymetalkeyboards.com".

Q: Will you offer plates made of other materials than steel or brass?
A: No, only steel and brass.

Q: A custom plate?
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Just not right from the start, need a rest first, before I dive in to custom plate files.

Q: How long will the GB run?
A: About one month, I estimate until the end of may or start of june.

Q: Expecting any corona related delays?
A: The German manufacturer is operating normally at the moment. The Chinese company responsible for the PCBs is back to normal operation at this time. So I don't expect any corona related delays.

Q: So you do run a shop now, or what?
A: No! The store is simply a means to run the group buy more efficiently. I don't consider myself a shop operator.

Q: Will you have HMKBs in stock?
A: No, I'm not planning to hold stock, definitely not!

Q: Where is it made?
A: The keyboard case is entirely made in Germany. Only the PCBs are made in China.

Q: How can I help?
A: Use the banner in your signature or show your support with a post to let me know you like it. That makes me happy.

Q: Where are you from?
A: Frankfurt, Germany. GUDE!

Group Buy
HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS (https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/)
(among the first 100 orders, seven of the prototypes will be raffled)

Discord
JOIN (https://discord.gg/x9rVkNp)

Oblotzky, huge thanks for your help!

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:07:44
Approved :thumb:

PS, love the bent/industrial design!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Idod on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:33:01
GB is finally here! Made a account and gonna wait for my early bird coupon before placing a order
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: wgsunrise on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:56:46
Very unique and beautiful boards which I have been following for quite some time.
I jumped in immediately once I saw the GB started.

Everyone can tell how responsible, dedicated and passionate PlastikSchnittstelle is by the frequency of his detailed reply in the IC thread.
I am glad that there is still a relatively affordable but special board on the market for people to choose.

I am sure that this GB is going to be very successful and the final product will be a gem to possess.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:02:13
GB is finally here! Made a account and gonna wait for my early bird coupon before placing a order

I'm in the same boat, early bird participant ready to join (just waiting for coupon).
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Harnak on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:05:34
So glad to finally see this group buy here! I love the aesthetic of the bent sheet metal! In for 1 beige 75% full right cluster. Thanks for running this and I hope you get a lot of orders!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Rew23 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:06:38
Board looks great. Very novel design with so many form factors and a great price. Definitely interested in grabbing one. One small typo in the about section "which" instead of "wich". Much respect and GLWS.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pott on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:46:06
Purchased a Beige 65% (for WoB) and a yellow 60% (for Nautilus).

Heavy Metal Keyboard is an awesome same for a huge metalhead like me. I'm very much looking forward to these, good luck!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: nasp on Fri, 01 May 2020, 02:00:23
What's happening with the 40%? There's brief mention of it but nothing more.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: vaf1en on Fri, 01 May 2020, 02:06:48
What's happening with the 40%? There's brief mention of it but nothing more.
It is such a superior layout that it needs not fight for more attention than it already has. ;)
That being set, here is a direct link (https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/collections/groupbuy/products/hmkb-40) to it.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: beekey on Fri, 01 May 2020, 03:11:29
Any pics from the inside? How about some typing video? How does it sound?

Update: found the IC https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.0)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 01 May 2020, 03:36:45
Nice shop, waiting for coupon to place order  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Fri, 01 May 2020, 04:02:02
Yeah, really complete GB. And the shop is very impressive too. Congratulations Plastik!
I'm also waiting for the coupon to place order.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Streep on Fri, 01 May 2020, 04:43:54
ordered one HMKB-60 HHKB stainless steel :D can't wait to have it  :thumb: :p
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: bryanwafu on Fri, 01 May 2020, 05:07:47
can we order extra grommets and bolts?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: voelzmo on Fri, 01 May 2020, 05:30:47
Wow, I have to say this is one of the most well-done ICs and group-buys I have ever seen! Awesome interaction in the IC thread, comprehensive information and constant updates in the OP. Great shop page showing all relevant things at a glance.

On top, this is a great keyboard at a very compelling price point. Definitely getting a 75% for GMK taro, this will be so nice 😍.

Thanks Plastik!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:16:03
Fantastic IC, flawless execution for the shop experience, well done. Grabbed a stainless 75% :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: catbus on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:17:14
This was a great IC! Placed an order for a 60s Boardwalk-A and a 40. Now just to wait for Q3 :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rinkaan on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:31:00
ordered a stainless with brass plate! second board of the month... ouch hahaha
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SihTzu on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:31:42
This is the second GB I have participated. This GB is well prepared and professional. It was a pleasure to place an order. Grabbed a black 95.  ;D

Thank you, Plastikschnittstelle!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:32:22
Help - would a 1800 Matt3o kit compatible with 65% with 2 blockers?

https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-dev-tty-keycap-set (https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-dev-tty-keycap-set)


Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: zhnu on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:36:17
Nice shop got a tkl banana.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Rexcramer on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:40:50
Got me a 75% stainless and 95% yellow (for GMK Nautilus of course). Impressed by the variety and also huge props for having such a clean website set up for the GB. Probably the best customer experience I have had in any GB so far.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:45:49
Yay, finally!  ;D

Just placed my order. :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Mekberg on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:49:50
I was already set to buy a stainless WKL TKL, but seeing the prices I jumped onboard for a beige 60 HHKB as well! :D

Also, it feels so great supporting a EU designer and EU production! Really looking forward both to this and to future products to come.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:52:08
Just waiting for early bird discount and then... maybe I even  get a 65 and 75 :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rabbbit on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:11:54
already in love 75

通过我的 OXF-AN10 上的 Tapatalk发言

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: kekstee on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:15:54
The new rubber mounting and plate looks excellent. Also nice switch to full steel to avoid the bending issues alu had.

So curious for one, but I already got a build with the first SKB here :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rondg on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:24:30
Any news for the early birds? Though I don't use 40%, some combinations already ran out of stock  :(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: benfrain on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:42:57
Finally, I'm going to own some precision German engineering :)

As soon as that early bird voucher hits my inbox I'm going to be all over this! Well done PlastikSchnittstelle!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: LilSmithers on Fri, 01 May 2020, 07:50:51
Will this support the dz60 hotswap? For the 60% wkl case?
With the price tag, easily thinking this over the kbd67v2 that's about to he restocked!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: magicrobots on Fri, 01 May 2020, 08:35:16
Ah crumbs I'd totally order this if it came in white. :|
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Nim on Fri, 01 May 2020, 08:42:22
I very much approve of the new naming you went for! I'll be patiently waiting for this
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: honoka on Fri, 01 May 2020, 08:47:55
Any news for the early birds? Though I don't use 40%, some combinations already ran out of stock  :(
they are not out of stock, they just aren't enabled just yet. Plastik thought the interest was going to be low for 40%. if more people order them he will unlock the possibility to have it in stainless steel and probably also brass plate.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ChitownM2 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:23:49
I'm a little confused by the Yas62 options. I have a Yas62 PCB that I still never assembled.

I see that you say that you have some left, but if I choose the yas version of the HHKB-60, the price is the same as if i get any other 60%. Is there somewhere else I should be looking to indicate that I don't need a PCB that drops the price a little?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:27:42
Prices appear to be inclusive of VAT. Will this be deducted from final price for shipments outside the EU?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:30:39
Joined for 75% case and checked out but then remembered I needed the PCB and had to check out again.  Any chance I could get some of that shipping money back?  I sent you an email through the store with my order #
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DasGnome on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:38:01
Excellent price. Super happy to have grabbed a YAS layout. Most underrated 60% layout!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: honoka on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:40:48
Joined for 75% case and checked out but then remembered I needed the PCB and had to check out again.  Any chance I could get some of that shipping money back?  I sent you an email through the store with my order #
dude all 75% kits come with pcb.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:12:28
Joined for 75% case and checked out but then remembered I needed the PCB and had to check out again.  Any chance I could get some of that shipping money back?  I sent you an email through the store with my order #
dude all 75% kits come with pcb.

Yeah but I always get a backup in case I need to rebuild and things go awry
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: 2003987 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:19:02
At risk of going unemployed... will join if can keep my job
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: treeleaf64 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:22:33
At risk of going unemployed... will join if can keep my job

Good luck with your job.  :( Hope everything goes well.
As for me, I'm definitely buying this.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: kiyoboard on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:35:00
When I woke up today, I wasn't planning on buying a keyboard  :) But such a unique project at this price, I got a WKL stainless steel  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: 2003987 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 11:13:54
At risk of going unemployed... will join if can keep my job

Good luck with your job.  :( Hope everything goes well.
As for me, I'm definitely buying this.

Thanks man, hope this corona thing goes away.... pretty stressful time
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 01 May 2020, 11:49:19
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Iamsosmrt on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:00:15
95% yellow (for GMK Nautilus of course)

I'm planning to do the same. The yellow fits so well with the nautilus look. And the 95% form factor is perfect to show of a lot of keys.

Currently I have an old cherry g80 1800 as a 95% board and have been looking for an affordable but more premium option in that form factor and this is it. After taxes and shipping it's even cheaper than the tkc1800 that I considered but didn't buy because it's really expensive for a painted plastic case.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: norb on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:17:18
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: KZzzz on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:35:25
Hi, can you post some dimensions of the 95% version (overall length/width etc.), as well as the size of the rectangular gap between the function cluster and number clusters? I am planning to make some custom vinyl stickers, and If I know the dimensions I can design around it. You don't have to disclose too much, but it would be nice to have some diagrams showing the general dimensions of the different cases. I would also appreciate if you can take a picture of the bottom of the case. Thanks, good luck with your GB!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: catamscott on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:35:30
have already got an SKB75, but for that price i might grab an HMKB60 too......  :p
site looks really great as well
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:41:57
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:42:56
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: LevelSteam on Fri, 01 May 2020, 13:28:16
These are amazing! I've been looking for a nice 75% at a reasonable price for a while now.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:16:37
IN.
Also, IN.
And a third plate, of course.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pcire on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:34:03
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

No rush, but can we enter the raffle in case you sell 100+ by the time we get the coupons?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: cadrev on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:35:28
Finally! Time to say goodbye to my savings, this + Nautilus.

Also can anyone confirm if the powder coat on the yellow is smooth or textured like in the IC picture? I'm thinking of just getting that stainless steel version cause I'm liking how smooth it is.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: StanleyLelnats on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:44:49
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

No rush, but can we enter the raffle in case you sell 100+ by the time we get the coupons?

Wondering this as well. Really want to place my order but waiting on my coupon
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Damage on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:53:34
In!

So many options. I'm doing a SSK clone type build with mine.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Magnificent Bureaucrat on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:58:44
Absolutely love the name change, I just jumped in for a 60% in black.

Seeing pictures of the beautiful bare metal 65% I was sorely tempted to go for a second. (Feels weird the word beautiful for such an industrial chunk of metal)

Kudos to Plastik for doing such a good job with the website :thumb: Looks really professional, particularly the animated diagram.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Banzai on Fri, 01 May 2020, 15:56:53
Love the new name! Just bought my beige HMKB75, and cannot wait to get it.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Fri, 01 May 2020, 16:32:45
Just wondering, when it comes to shipment, are they going to be shipped as per chronological order, ie starting from whoever placed the order first?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 01 May 2020, 17:13:09
Watched and saved. Ordering a HMKB-80 with an extra PCB in a few days.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 01 May 2020, 17:52:36
Still wondering about this...

Prices appear to be inclusive of VAT. Will this be deducted from final price for shipments outside the EU?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Nublit on Fri, 01 May 2020, 19:42:27
I preordered a HHKB layout in beige :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 01 May 2020, 19:57:00
Also can anyone confirm if the powder coat on the yellow is smooth or textured like in the IC picture? I'm thinking of just getting that stainless steel version cause I'm liking how smooth it is.
Powder coating is quite textured. Look at the prototype photos to get an idea.
The stainless steel model is also not entirely smooth... It's got less texture than powder coat models though.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: thedrov on Fri, 01 May 2020, 20:04:40
No tungsten option? I thought we were going to get HEAVY!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 01 May 2020, 21:13:10
No tungsten option? I thought we were going to get HEAVY!

I suspect the tungsten, titaniun and technetium case options are reserved for R3.  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 01 May 2020, 21:16:24
Please no, i love titanium.. my wallet already hurts enough.  :))
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 02 May 2020, 01:05:26
Have a render or a diagram for the backside final version?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: KMPLSV on Sat, 02 May 2020, 04:57:31
Nice shop, waiting for coupon to place order  :thumb:

i was about to order this as my first DIY kit. what is this coupon you speak of?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 02 May 2020, 04:59:56
Coupons are for those of us who helped paying the protos at different times in the IC process.
So it's for "early birds" only. Not for classic GB buyers.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Little4Real on Sat, 02 May 2020, 05:14:19
Will there ever be any plate files available? Would love to make an Alps/AEK 60 with the HMKB-60
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 02 May 2020, 06:02:52
There is a complete FAQ on the opening post.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Sat, 02 May 2020, 14:45:26
Nice presentation in the OP, that's a dedication! Also like the way web page shows all possible modifications and related info. Very well done! :thumb:

I think I will pick up one, but still not sure which, haha. They all are amazing. Good luck with GB!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: mchanneh on Sat, 02 May 2020, 15:40:55
I'm in for a black 75 full column! So good to see a Europe based GB!! Exciting!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: idkpotato117 on Sat, 02 May 2020, 15:41:23
Just ordered mine. Im very excited! This will be my first case group buy :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Motte on Sat, 02 May 2020, 15:51:36
Morjen from the rheinisch version of Bornheim!

I followed your IC loosely but now that your GB is live you caught my attention. The name change is very nice \m/
So now I'm considering wether to get a 75 or a 95. How wide are those versions?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:28:10
Hi, can you post some dimensions of the 95% version (overall length/width etc.), as well as the size of the rectangular gap between the function cluster and number clusters? I am planning to make some custom vinyl stickers, and If I know the dimensions I can design around it. You don't have to disclose too much, but it would be nice to have some diagrams showing the general dimensions of the different cases. I would also appreciate if you can take a picture of the bottom of the case. Thanks, good luck with your GB!

Morjen from the rheinisch version of Bornheim!

I followed your IC loosely but now that your GB is live you caught my attention. The name change is very nice \m/
So now I'm considering wether to get a 75 or a 95. How wide are those versions?

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

Here you go, sorry it took me a while:

[attach=1]

it's in mm btw :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:30:04
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

all earlybirds should have their giftcode email by now
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:33:50
Finally! Time to say goodbye to my savings, this + Nautilus.

Also can anyone confirm if the powder coat on the yellow is smooth or textured like in the IC picture? I'm thinking of just getting that stainless steel version cause I'm liking how smooth it is.

please take a look at the photos in the start post. they are high res and super sharp. these photos should give you a mutch better impression of the powder-coated and the stainless-steel-bead-blasted than I could describe with words.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:35:05
Just wondering, when it comes to shipment, are they going to be shipped as per chronological order, ie starting from whoever placed the order first?

I don't know yet.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:36:12
Still wondering about this...

Prices appear to be inclusive of VAT. Will this be deducted from final price for shipments outside the EU?

everybody pays the price that is shown there. nothing will be deducted.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 16:41:49
I'm a little confused by the Yas62 options. I have a Yas62 PCB that I still never assembled.

I see that you say that you have some left, but if I choose the yas version of the HHKB-60, the price is the same as if i get any other 60%. Is there somewhere else I should be looking to indicate that I don't need a PCB that drops the price a little?

yes, the 60% is the only size that you can get without a PCB, if you prefer. It wass called "HMKB 60s" in the beginning but since most don't seem to check what's behind that, I renamed it to "HMKB 60 no PCB". this should be a bit more obvious now :)
you can get a 60YAS version without the PCB there.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 02 May 2020, 18:22:48
everybody pays the price that is shown there. nothing will be deducted.

Thank you. And kudos for designing/producing a beautiful KB!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Sat, 02 May 2020, 18:31:07
Once you have installed the keyboard, do you know roughly how many mm is the space between the PCB and the bottom plate?
Asking to see how much foam we can put on the bottom to dampen the noise.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Insanto on Sat, 02 May 2020, 18:34:15
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

all earlybirds should have their giftcode email by now

i havent gotten mine yet?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 19:00:34
Once you have installed the keyboard, do you know roughly how many mm is the space between the PCB and the bottom plate?
Asking to see how much foam we can put on the bottom to dampen the noise.

since it is angled, the front edge of the pcb is very close to the bottom, at the rear end there is obviously more space. I can give you more specific numbers on monday.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 02 May 2020, 19:01:38
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

all earlybirds should have their giftcode email by now

i havent gotten mine yet?

please check your spam. if there is nothing either, I'll check tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: suspiciouscow on Sat, 02 May 2020, 20:10:53
i'm trying to order hmkb in yas/black/steel but the website says its out of stock. is that bc its bundled with the limited pcb's? if that's the case, how do i order one if i already have a pcb?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Sat, 02 May 2020, 20:11:50
Ordered a TKL w/ brass plate. Hoping this thing is H E A V Y
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: suspiciouscow on Sat, 02 May 2020, 20:55:03
i'm trying to order hmkb in yas/black/steel but the website says its out of stock. is that bc its bundled with the limited pcb's? if that's the case, how do i order one if i already have a pcb?

just kidding, i'm blind. i just saw the no pcb option
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: M4dn3ss on Sat, 02 May 2020, 23:55:42
Alps support, or compatibility with H87a PCBs?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: consumer on Sun, 03 May 2020, 00:18:46
Will a YAS PCB be available for order at some stage during this group buy?


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Sun, 03 May 2020, 03:40:53
Might have to buy another   :-\
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Insanto on Sun, 03 May 2020, 04:48:08
also just created an acc, will you verify these with the early birds and then send the coupons or do we need to contact you in some other way?

I'm now working on this, might take a while.

all earlybirds should have their giftcode email by now

i havent gotten mine yet?

please check your spam. if there is nothing either, I'll check tomorrow evening.


nah, war leider nix im spam
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: LilSmithers on Sun, 03 May 2020, 08:46:41
What 60% PCBs have been tested?
Want one for a break in board to main on my desk. Would like to use the dz60 hotswap when it's restocked. How well will that fit if at all?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 03 May 2020, 08:53:17
You'll find all your answers in the PCB part of the dedicated Discord server (see end of first post for the link)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 03 May 2020, 09:47:51
Hi,

This is for anyone who wants to see what a 60% wkl looks like.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Narcolepsy on Sun, 03 May 2020, 09:58:23
In for a black 95, looking forward to the board.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: alphabirth on Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:08:16
Yasss!  I'm stoked this is finally live! :D  I snagged a yellow boardwalk.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: foxtrap614 on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:29:40
I purchased the stainless steel 65% with 2 blockers. Thank you.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: fromjuanm on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:34:18
What is the average weight of the 60% case with brass plate? Looking to see how heavy this case will be.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:50:26
What is the average weight of the 60% case with brass plate? Looking to see how heavy this case will be.

please read the product page, all there.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:52:10
Alps support, or compatibility with H87a PCBs?

I've looked at the H87a. It appears to me it should be compatible, but I can't really say for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:50:09
Been following the IC for a while, put my order in for a 75% , looking forward to this  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: jauny on Sun, 03 May 2020, 20:07:31
Very excited to see happening! I just put in an order for a 75!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Sun, 03 May 2020, 22:04:16
Damn am I the only one ordering 65% with 2 blockers?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: jauny on Mon, 04 May 2020, 00:18:43
Sounds like a great choice too. I just like my F keys and arrows too much!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Mon, 04 May 2020, 00:57:21
Hi. Was wondering what the weight of the HMKB-80 would be w/ brass plate? The weight listed seems to be for the standard plate.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lz2019 on Mon, 04 May 2020, 01:08:38
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: honoka on Mon, 04 May 2020, 01:33:36
Hi. Was wondering what the weight of the HMKB-80 would be w/ brass plate? The weight listed seems to be for the standard plate.

Thanks!
if you compare the density of the two materials you will be able to determine if there is any real difference in weight. volume is constant.
If I remember correctly brass is just above 8000kg/m^3. steel is varies but is generally also close to that.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: beekey on Mon, 04 May 2020, 01:41:39
Thinking about stainless steel version and then polish it to shine. Did somebody else think about doing this?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 May 2020, 05:08:08
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.

I'm not really sure what you expect to see inside? There is just the plate and the PCB inside, noting else hides there. You can find another picture here, first page of the IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 May 2020, 05:11:21
Hi. Was wondering what the weight of the HMKB-80 would be w/ brass plate? The weight listed seems to be for the standard plate.

Thanks!

that difference is so tiny it is lost after rounding. the weight on the product page is therefore the same. maybe add about 0.05kg for the brass plate version.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 May 2020, 12:38:59
Most earlybirds got their gift code and used it. Anyone who hasn't got it jet, PM, DM or Email me.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Hell-es on Mon, 04 May 2020, 13:40:43
 :thumb: already used for stainles TKL - thank for the code and the gb
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ponchofreedo on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:00:33
curious...why no esd protection for the pcb?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:06:22
Maartenwut PCB are all ESD protected (and fuse). What are you talking about ? Did you check the actual GB shop?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ponchofreedo on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:19:14
Maartenwut PCB are all ESD protected (and fuse). What are you talking about ? Did you check the actual GB shop?

i was in the shop, but i thought i read in the features that they didnt have them. i think i just read it too fast and combined it with the line below about no in-switch LEDs. my mistake.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:20:42
I don't blame you. I do it often myself.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 05 May 2020, 11:58:28
Wow, very thoughtful and detailed GB info, and nice presentation too. I'm in for a board!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: beekey on Tue, 05 May 2020, 14:07:27
Somebody thinking of polishing the stainless steel?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Insanto on Tue, 05 May 2020, 14:35:31
Beige 80% wkl for me wohoo \o/

I'm gonna call it the Model N
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: bliss on Tue, 05 May 2020, 14:55:23
When I woke up today, I wasn't planning on buying a keyboard  :) But such a unique project at this price, I got a WKL stainless steel  :thumb:

Same here. HMKB-80.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: andreisd on Wed, 06 May 2020, 01:27:50
Hello, thank you for the excellent GB! Question: Bolts on all renders/photos they are black. What a bit sticking contrast on Beige/Yellow boards. Is there a chance to get yellow bolts for yellow keeb and beige bolts for beige keeb?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lz2019 on Wed, 06 May 2020, 02:01:40
Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.

I'm not really sure what you expect to see inside? There is just the plate and the PCB inside, noting else hides there. You can find another picture here, first page of the IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764

That fills the gap in my mind I guess, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: andreisd on Wed, 06 May 2020, 02:34:56
What kind of stabilizers possible to install?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Senor Coconut on Wed, 06 May 2020, 02:39:01
Classic PCB mount Stabs.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Wed, 06 May 2020, 19:07:31
Hello, thank you for the excellent GB! Question: Bolts on all renders/photos they are black. What a bit sticking contrast on Beige/Yellow boards. Is there a chance to get yellow bolts for yellow keeb and beige bolts for beige keeb?
Plastik has previously stated his preference for the black bolts. And IMO, they look nice being black.


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: wing1098 on Thu, 07 May 2020, 04:28:28
when will the group buy end?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: chris_1865 on Thu, 07 May 2020, 05:00:52
2 95% and 1 extra pcb :thumb:
Can't wait for receving the kit!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: funkmon on Thu, 07 May 2020, 06:53:26
Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: malde on Thu, 07 May 2020, 07:47:54
when will the group buy end?
Since reading is hard, I'll give you a second try by copying directly from the FAQ in the OP:

Q: How long will the GB run?
A: About one month, I estimate until the end of may or start of june.


Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.

You'll always read something in the likes of "just solder it, it isn't hard". Which is actually true, first I was afraid of doing it myself, but after the first few switches you'll notice it actually is pretty easy.
On the other hand, depending on where you are located, there is probably a makerspace or some community member around who'll assist or do it for/with you.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Azurewrath on Thu, 07 May 2020, 10:24:51
Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.
As malde already said, of course you can pay someone local or try to get help from someone for this. But then again, soldering isn't hard and it's a handy skill to have. You also don't need much for a small project like soldering on a few switches:
- soldering iron (The Miniware ones are really good and inexpensive portable/beginner irons. TS80 if you have a USB Quickcharge Power Bank or charger and TS100 if you prefer barrel jacks and more power.)
- solder wire (0.5 to 1mm, leaded is easier if you can still get it)
- some isopropyl alcohol and an old toothbrush to clean the flux residue
That's it.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: funkmon on Thu, 07 May 2020, 23:01:14
Oh man, where am I going to buy a toothbrush?! This sounds hard! :P.

Okay, I'm going to see if I can apprehend a soldering iron in the coming weeks and give it a go, or find some nerd who'll do it for me for like $50. I'll be back with an update.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Insanto on Fri, 08 May 2020, 02:00:18
don't get leaded solder, as a beginner i doubt you'll have the ventilation to suck all the smoke away.. and you don't wanna get braindamage
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: danieljgrouse on Fri, 08 May 2020, 02:20:37
You... won’t get brain damage from leaded solder. The fumes are the same as for non leaded solder, it’s rosin. You’d have to be heating the solder to impossible temps to get lead fumes. Your not getting any lead into your system unless you’re licking the solder. Lead free solder will require higher temperatures, you’re more likely to want to use flux, and in general it will be slightly more difficult for a newbie.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Raptor_N60 on Fri, 08 May 2020, 12:11:00
Missed the YAS62 gb, any chance of making another run? :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:30:07
I can't find the post, but I'm pretty sure someone asked about the height at the front.
Look:

[attach=1]

Front edge of the keycap and front edge of the case. Distance to ground, feet included.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:34:27
Missed the YAS62 gb, any chance of making another run? :confused: :confused:

Sorry, that's it with YAS. It is no more.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:39:29
Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.

Just in case you do learn how to solder, you will be disappointed. Because if I remember correctly, when I learned it, I did not feel any cooler than before :(

If not:
There are quite a few who offer to build you the the keyboard for commission. What I have seen, I say, they all do e very good job and they wor is worth every penny.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CustomerSupport on Fri, 08 May 2020, 20:44:47
Debating getting the HMKB-80 in Black or Yellow, but regardless I'll be ordering one as a birthday present to myself.

Super stoked
Title: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 09 May 2020, 07:21:14
In for a black HMKB60 (HHKB) without a PCB. Do hope DZ60/YD60MQ will fit alright.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 09 May 2020, 07:23:49
Guys. What if I don't know how to solder?

I want the 95 in beige but have no idea what to do about this. Can I pay someone to solder some switches on for me? I'm not cool like you guys.

Just in case you do learn how to solder, you will be disappointed. Because if I remember correctly, when I learned it, I did not feel any cooler than before :(

If not:
There are quite a few who offer to build you the the keyboard for commission. What I have seen, I say, they all do e very good job and they wor is worth every penny.
Soldering is a boring skill, gets old pretty quickly. Desoldering ... is still so much fun for me as all I have is a solder sucker pump thing, no fancy FR301 desoldering stations (cause they are vvv expensive).

My current score is 2 PCBs ruined and 1 preserved lol
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CorePrime on Sat, 09 May 2020, 13:38:15
Hi.  Noob here.  So if I buy tkl with brass plate, I assume I need to purchase plate mount switches & stabilizers, correct?   I thought I read someone said pcb mount.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 May 2020, 14:02:18
Hi.  Noob here.  So if I buy tkl with brass plate, I assume I need to purchase plate mount switches & stabilizers, correct?   I thought I read someone said pcb mount.

Your stabilizers need to be PCB mount for this. The switches can be plate or PCB mount. The only difference between these is that the PCB mount versions have extra two little legs that help them stick into the PCB. You should always get PCB mount switches with the extra two legs, even if they are held in a plate. Don't bother about "plate mount switches".
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CustomerSupport on Sat, 09 May 2020, 14:56:43
Hi.  Noob here.  So if I buy tkl with brass plate, I assume I need to purchase plate mount switches & stabilizers, correct?   I thought I read someone said pcb mount.

Your stabilizers need to be PCB mount for this. The switches can be plate or PCB mount. The only difference between these is that the PCB mount versions have extra two little legs that help them stick into the PCB. You should always get PCB mount switches with the extra two legs, even if they are held in a plate. Don't bother about "plate mount switches".

Great comment; to expand on the "why", if you have PCB mount switches but end up needing plate-mount switches, you can easily clip the extra legs off.

If the reverse is true (have plate-mount switches for a PCB mount setup) the switches are incompatible.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 May 2020, 15:59:19
excellent cutomer support!
name+pic is absolute priceless!!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Sat, 09 May 2020, 18:52:42
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: vaf1en on Sun, 10 May 2020, 04:09:05
Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Kaleidoua on Sun, 10 May 2020, 06:22:36
I can't seem to find the "non pcb 60% version" in the store. Or is that the one that costs 140 eur?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: okidna on Sun, 10 May 2020, 07:14:28
I can't seem to find the "non pcb 60% version" in the store. Or is that the one that costs 140 eur?


The bottom right one, here's the link: https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/collections/groupbuy/products/hmkb-60s
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: marshskitow on Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:30:14
I'm in! I am so exited ahah
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SxM Designs on Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:56:10
Any idea how can I get a early bird code? I can order then!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 10 May 2020, 14:24:53


Any idea how can I get a early bird code? I can order then!

You should build a time machine.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 May 2020, 15:37:49
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Biased opinion on Sun, 10 May 2020, 19:17:48

Soldering is a boring skill, gets old pretty quickly. Desoldering ... is still so much fun for me as all I have is a solder sucker pump thing, no fancy FR301 desoldering stations (cause they are vvv expensive).

My current score is 2 PCBs ruined and 1 preserved lol
[/quote]

I picked up one of these and it was 100% worth the price, turned a multi hour ordeal into an effortless 10min job. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HIPPO-150W-Desoldering-Rework-Iron-Station-Digital-De-Soldering-Gun-Dual-LCD-AU-/142158805635
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 10 May 2020, 19:49:52
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.

The moq for current prices and ALL THAT VARIETY is just 400? Insane. Whatever you have going for your manufacturing/logistics, I'm really impressed. Glad to be a part of this GB.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Hell-es on Mon, 11 May 2020, 01:54:48
Yeah - thats why i joined - even with the delays skb1 had, not really many people complained as it was handled so good - cleary and open communication - great
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Motte on Tue, 12 May 2020, 14:52:16
Just placed my order. Now it feels like I'm wating for christmas :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: fer.real on Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:10:47
Christmas is only 7 months away.  With the way the world is right now, we very well may be waiting until then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: bball2 on Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:48:11
In for a stainless steel 75% layout, looks great!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Data on Tue, 12 May 2020, 16:30:04
Nice job.  Great selection and options.  Going with a custom PCB was really smart.  Tempted to pick up a TKL in stainless!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: cohesive_glue on Tue, 12 May 2020, 21:23:46
That yellow!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Wed, 13 May 2020, 00:06:44
Can I use 7u space bar layout if I got the 65% with 2 blockers?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Wed, 13 May 2020, 10:21:17
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.

Thats great news. Are you planning on closing the GB early now that we've hit MOQ?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:14:42
Can I use 7u space bar layout if I got the 65% with 2 blockers?

Yes, you can. See the photos in the start post. There you is the beige HMKB-65 which has the blockers and a 7U spacebar.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:15:46
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.

Thats great news. Are you planning on closing the GB early now that we've hit MOQ?

But why would I do that?
I had stated, that the GB will run for one month, just like all others do (ok, there may have been a few exceptions). Nothing has changed.
GMK keycap GBs also don't stop when they hit MOQ. At that point production just went from not being economically viable to just OK.

So if you are considering to join the GB but are not sure about which version, size or color to choose, take your time, no need to hurry.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:20:37
I got in contact with Energieschleuder who is currently running the GMK Masterpiece GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106068.0). Made some new renderings. Here you can see GMK Masterpiece on an HMKB-60 stainless steel:

(https://i.imgur.com/fyDo3dc.png) (https://i.imgur.com/qe740ib.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iHVtAqm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/O99hiyE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/nn3jV6f.png)

Btw, I tried stainless steel screws for this scene. Included will be the black ones.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:37:21
I got in contact with Energieschleuder who is currently running the GMK Masterpiece GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106068.0). Made some new renderings. Here you can see GMK Masterpiece on an HMKB-60 stainless steel:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fyDo3dc.png)


Looks awesome. Now I have the perfect excuse to buy Masterpiece.  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: makit on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:02:15
Looks like I'm in for a wild ride.
I have never built a mechanical keyboard myself and originally wanted to start with a HS PCB to make things a little easier.
Just bought a yellow 75%, it was just too tempting to let this pass. Which reminds me, I need some soldering equipment too ...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Hadoken86 on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:18:32
Damn am I the only one ordering 65% with 2 blockers?

No
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:22:11
Is it possible to get updated #s for the GB? Just curious how this GB is doing.

Am I the only one excited to hear some initial sales numbers? :)

Preparing some updates for next week.
Regarding the numbers, we are at 450 orders so far. That is about what I had expected. The prices of the cases are set for an moq of 400+, anything below that would have been bad news.

Thats great news. Are you planning on closing the GB early now that we've hit MOQ?

But why would I do that?
I had stated, that the GB will run for one month, just like all others do (ok, there may have been a few exceptions). Nothing has changed.
GMK keycap GBs also don't stop when they hit MOQ. At that point production just went from not being economically viable to just OK.

So if you are considering to join the GB but are not sure about which version, size or color to choose, take your time, no need to hurry.

I already joined! I had asked that question because of what was on the GB page.

Quote
The order phase is open for about one month or until a sufficient amount of orders is reached.

I wasnt sure if "sufficient amount" was MOQ or you had a target order # past the MOQ.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:25:57
TRUE!
Yes, sorry, I absolutely wrote "sufficient amount".
This was more meant as a backdoor for me to keep the GB open a bit longer in case I would struggle to get past MOQ. But this is behind us now, so for now it is just "end of this month".
Again, sorry.

Let's set an end date now:
June 2nd
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 13 May 2020, 14:25:56
Thats great news. Are you planning on closing the GB early now that we've hit MOQ?

LOL what in the world kinda question is this
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Wed, 13 May 2020, 16:18:14
LOL what in the world kinda question is this
To be honest, I also was quite worried about GB closing early due to "sufficient amount" remark. I mean, if that were true and GB would be closed when targeted amount of orders reached, I would be missing out on this as I am yet to receive the paycheck. I see no reason to being this sarcastic as many people are already struggling due to corona and actually need safe amount of spending money before jumping on every GB.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: malde on Thu, 14 May 2020, 04:36:42
I got in contact with Energieschleuder who is currently running the GMK Masterpiece GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106068.0). Made some new renderings. Here you can see GMK Masterpiece on an HMKB-60 stainless steel:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fyDo3dc.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/qe740ib.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/iHVtAqm.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/O99hiyE.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/nn3jV6f.png)


Btw, I tried stainless steel screws for this scene. Included will be the black ones.

On the topic of screws, black being included is probably the best/most fitting option since you selected them. But let's say I want to explore other options/colors, I can recall that there has been mention of them all being M3. What I could not find though are the actual lengths, since the sides and top does seem to be different, at least in the exploded view/graphic. Do you mind sharing the lengths?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: NorrittMTG on Thu, 14 May 2020, 05:10:54
Are there any plans to make this board VIA compatible?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 06:02:35
On the topic of screws, black being included is probably the best/most fitting option since you selected them. But let's say I want to explore other options/colors, I can recall that there has been mention of them all being M3. What I could not find though are the actual lengths, since the sides and top does seem to be different, at least in the exploded view/graphic. Do you mind sharing the lengths?

Yes, they are all M3.
The length of the eight screws needed for the top mounting is 14mm, 15mm will most likely also fit.
For the screws at the sides and the back 8mm is optimal.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Danilo_dk on Thu, 14 May 2020, 07:06:56
Why is the brass plate for the HMKB 40 sold out?

And more importantly, why am I interested in buying a 4x12 ortho keyboard when I already have two Plancks and a Plaid?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SxM Designs on Thu, 14 May 2020, 07:30:04
ONe question.. Is the SS version somewhat polished?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 14 May 2020, 08:18:39
ONe question.. Is the SS version somewhat polished?
It's bead blasted, look at the prototypes.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: malde on Thu, 14 May 2020, 08:28:57
Why is the brass plate for the HMKB 40 sold out?

And more importantly, why am I interested in buying a 4x12 ortho keyboard when I already have two Plancks and a Plaid?

First: It's not sold out, there never was a brass plate for the 40 even though the shop shows it. Technical reasons I guess.

And Second: Because the Plancks and Plaid aren't HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS, of course.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Danilo_dk on Thu, 14 May 2020, 09:04:13
Why is the brass plate for the HMKB 40 sold out?

And more importantly, why am I interested in buying a 4x12 ortho keyboard when I already have two Plancks and a Plaid?

First: It's not sold out, there never was a brass plate for the 40 even though the shop shows it. Technical reasons I guess.

And Second: Because the Plancks and Plaid aren't HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS, of course.

Will the brass plate become available?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: makit on Thu, 14 May 2020, 09:56:32
Unfortunately I do not have the best sense when it comes to colour combinations. Do you think the board in yellow goes well with the GMK Deep Navy?
Sorry if the question is too much OT, I'm completely new here in the forum :x
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: saesh on Thu, 14 May 2020, 13:52:08
Unfortunately I do not have the best sense when it comes to colour combinations. Do you think the board in yellow goes well with the GMK Deep Navy?
Sorry if the question is too much OT, I'm completely new here in the forum :x

No problem at all, there was an image posted in the Discord, judge for yourself (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705801555344883742/706764195739467826/navy.jpg?width=1263&height=842).
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 13:54:36
Unfortunately I do not have the best sense when it comes to colour combinations. Do you think the board in yellow goes well with the GMK Deep Navy?
Sorry if the question is too much OT, I'm completely new here in the forum :x

No problem at all, there was an image posted in the Discord, judge for yourself (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705801555344883742/706764195739467826/navy.jpg?width=1263&height=842).

But that's a photoshop that someone else than me did.
GMK Deep Navy renderings are on the way, better wait for those.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:13:21
Is there any way to know the dimensions of the keyboards? I would love to know. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:15:45
Is there any way to know the dimensions of the keyboards? I would love to know. :thumb:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106072.msg2897704#msg2897704

that's the way ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:17:46
Is there any way to know the dimensions of the keyboards? I would love to know. :thumb:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106072.msg2897704#msg2897704

that's the way ;)

You are beautiful and annoying as well lol.  :-*

This has complicated the situation
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:18:07
 ;D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lz2019 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:26:39
after quite some looking and thinking, settled with the 65% yellow at last, this color attracts me so much. now start to patiently wait.
thanks for making all this happening!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: makit on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:28:34
Unfortunately I do not have the best sense when it comes to colour combinations. Do you think the board in yellow goes well with the GMK Deep Navy?
Sorry if the question is too much OT, I'm completely new here in the forum :x

No problem at all, there was an image posted in the Discord, judge for yourself (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705801555344883742/706764195739467826/navy.jpg?width=1263&height=842).

But that's a photoshop that someone else than me did.
GMK Deep Navy renderings are on the way, better wait for those.

Thank you both, looks good to me :) I'm still waiting for your renderings then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Motte on Thu, 14 May 2020, 15:17:59
Christmas is only 7 months away.  With the way the world is right now, we very well may be waiting until then.

Oh noes :( But then I have time to find the perfect cap set :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: lvl2cow on Thu, 14 May 2020, 15:58:25
Just ordered a 75%; first time builder, so excited!! So cool to see a community like this, you guys are awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Danilo_dk on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:08:31
Would a regular Planck PCB work in the HMKB 40, or is the switch spacing standard on its plate?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:17:03
Just ordered a 75%; first time builder, so excited!! So cool to see a community like this, you guys are awesome.

that's what I though, when I came here first :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:18:30
Would a regular Planck PCB work in the HMKB 40, or is the switch spacing standard on its plate?

HMKB-40 does not have the regular switch distance of 19.05mm. It is 19.00 because it is made for the Eon40 PCB.
The HMKB-40 is only available as kit with the Eon40 PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Danilo_dk on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:38:25
Would a regular Planck PCB work in the HMKB 40, or is the switch spacing standard on its plate?

HMKB-40 does not have the regular switch distance of 19.05mm. It is 19.00 because it is made for the Eon40 PCB.
The HMKB-40 is only available as kit with the Eon40 PCB.

That means it actually is compatible with the Planck. The reason I'm asking is that I have hotswap Planck PCBs, which I could then use instead or until I decide on a switch to use with the case.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:55:56
I can't confirm it to 100% but on first sight it looks to me like it should totally work.
https://imgur.com/a/8gn3UQs#LnOQUYN
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 15 May 2020, 19:53:59
The GMK Masterpiece renderings I did had a few little mistakes. Also I find it hard to simulate the bead blasted stainless steel in the renderings. Here are new renders, HMKB-60 HHKB this time. Only the photos in the start post can show you how stainless steel really looks like.

(https://i.imgur.com/MUqG5jq.png) (https://i.imgur.com/whVCj18.png) (https://i.imgur.com/s8z0IHE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/mauvuzE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xfzRPAz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/NSyI2vx.png)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: norb on Sat, 16 May 2020, 06:31:02
so these renders are with ss screws, but the ss case will still come with black screws right?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Inner-Ear on Sat, 16 May 2020, 06:57:51
Very tempted to join. I just don’t know how well Vilebloom would go with RAL1013 though
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SxM Designs on Sat, 16 May 2020, 19:24:29
Any renders for the bottom side? I am curious about the bottom :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rymnd6c28 on Sun, 17 May 2020, 08:40:58
Joined!! No more regrets missing the SKB.. :p :p :p
Good luck with everything, can't wait!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 May 2020, 09:09:46
Any renders for the bottom side? I am curious about the bottom :)

look here:

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

and here:

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.

I'm not really sure what you expect to see inside? There is just the plate and the PCB inside, noting else hides there. You can find another picture here, first page of the IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 May 2020, 09:12:31
Very tempted to join. I just don’t know how well Vilebloom would go with RAL1013 though

The beige (RAL1013) would not be a good fit with Vilebloom, IMO.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 17 May 2020, 09:13:03
so these renders are with ss screws, but the ss case will still come with black screws right?

correct, only black screws will be included.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Sun, 17 May 2020, 09:22:57
Man I have to talk to the doc, I might not be able to use it as a travel board due to weight  :(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: quarterlife on Sun, 17 May 2020, 12:39:53
just put an order for stainless TKL, will be my first mech board buidl!
also gave an excuse to pick up gmk masterpiece, ahhhhhh!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DaveOrAstroDave on Sun, 17 May 2020, 16:01:20
My apologies if this is addressed elsewhere, but is the 60% the only one with speaker support?
I wonder what all those extra headers are for in some of the pics of the other pcbs...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 18 May 2020, 06:01:15
My apologies if this is addressed elsewhere, but is the 60% the only one with speaker support?

yes, the 60 is the only one

I wonder what all those extra headers are for in some of the pics of the other pcbs...

they are not relevant for the HMKB builds.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 19 May 2020, 20:27:33
GMK Deep Navy on HMKB-60 HMKB, stainless steel:

(https://i.imgur.com/rSRLx8v.png) (https://i.imgur.com/bVoi6bd.png) (https://i.imgur.com/U0rnO0J.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wn1FZ3E.png)

more will follow tomorrow, goodnight!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: pcire on Tue, 19 May 2020, 20:28:54
That looks sick af! I can’t afford to buy another set!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 May 2020, 09:57:27
GMK Deep Navy on HMKB-60 HHKB:

(https://i.imgur.com/IRbQ313.png) (https://i.imgur.com/LHWhIg8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/tNXodig.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5OWSZST.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/oVnrn3O.png) (https://i.imgur.com/8PzR8p0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/pDhHotO.png) (https://i.imgur.com/aVODX6b.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/12cu1bM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/m6n22qX.png) (https://i.imgur.com/U3AlPji.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QhDCghk.png)

Same for 75% and 80% later today.

GMK Deep Navy currently in group buy, here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106058.0).

Thanks to ttom!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: KOCMOC on Wed, 20 May 2020, 10:18:31
Love this, will be my first build! Actually two, 60 YAS and HMKB 65 Χ One Blocker. So excited! Thank you for such a great design!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 May 2020, 13:32:12
I was asked if GMK Gregory (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106351.0) might be a good match for the yellow HMKB. GMK Gregory uses "CV". I took some photos outside, here they are:

(https://i.imgur.com/litBkZY.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/A4v8KEW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/tnKHE2P.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Zaum.Tech on Wed, 20 May 2020, 17:31:06
Imho one of the most interesting boards of the year, great to see the group buy!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: datAintFalc0 on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:12:09
Just joined the GB! super stoked for a compact 1800 layout finally :)

one quick question, I noticed at the corners there are small cracks where the bent sheets join. Do you have any insight as to how much dust will get inside? I like the touch, but I'm afraid it's gonna get dusty inside real quick haha
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 20 May 2020, 18:33:15
one quick question, I noticed at the corners there are small cracks where the bent sheets join. Do you have any insight as to how much dust will get inside? I like the touch, but I'm afraid it's gonna get dusty inside real quick haha

thanks for joining, happy you like it!

cracks? dust?
it has bent flanges and the designs emphasizes that, rather than trying to hide that fact. so it is somewhat open, yes. does that make any difference thought? any keyboard is open anyway. there is that big cutout where the keys go through ;)

the gaps between the keys - thats where all kinds of stuff enters the keyboard. mechanical keyboard aren't dust proof in any way at all.
how much junk enters your keeb is more up to you and your desk life. you can't eliminate the gaps between the keys. btw, the gap between bezel and keys is actually pretty tight on HMKB.

getting your caps off from time to time and clean it is a good idea for any mechanical keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Djmm on Wed, 20 May 2020, 21:04:43
The fold gap is on the edges and vertical, you will get most of your dust and debris from the gaps in between each keys.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: zayyy on Wed, 20 May 2020, 22:17:10
Just joined the group buy as my first build and I'm very excited!

I ordered the HMKB75 Full right column, and I'm trying to figure out what size spacebar stabilizer will work with this layout? I saw that there are options between 6.25u or 7u when looking for stabilizers. Still new to all this  ;)

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Liub on Thu, 21 May 2020, 01:03:04
Howdy, I am thinking of putting in one more keyboard order (was a pre-backer, have two boards ordered at the moment).

Would you automatically know that it's the same person ordering and combine the shipping or would I pay shipping again? Can I amend a previously paid order? Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: rymnd6c28 on Thu, 21 May 2020, 01:41:38
Just joined the group buy as my first build and I'm very excited!

I ordered the HMKB75 Full right column, and I'm trying to figure out what size spacebar stabilizer will work with this layout? I saw that there are options between 6.25u or 7u when looking for stabilizers. Still new to all this  ;)

Thanks in advance!

I think you can go 6u, 6.25u, and/or 7u. Depends on how you want the bottom row is.
ref: https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/products/pcbs-r1
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:34:04
Howdy, I am thinking of putting in one more keyboard order (was a pre-backer, have two boards ordered at the moment).

Would you automatically know that it's the same person ordering and combine the shipping or would I pay shipping again? Can I amend a previously paid order? Thanks!

please dm me regarding this
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Sepharis on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:43:10
I assume the answer to my following question is "A blank sheet of material" but do you have nay pictures of the underside of the keyboard?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: mchanneh on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:49:18
I assume the answer to my following question is "A blank sheet of material" but do you have nay pictures of the underside of the keyboard?

Any renders for the bottom side? I am curious about the bottom :)

look here:

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

and here:

Can we get some pics of what the bottom and inside of these cases look like?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577

screw access holes in the corners will get smaller. they don't need to be that big.

That's much more helpful, thanks!
But still, can there be some views of the inside? like inner sides of the bottom/top case,
And, most importantly, picture showing how pcb and plate are mounted.
Sorry if those are already displayed somewhere that I missed, please throw a link.
Thanks again.

Update:
I found mounting animation at https://heavymetalkeyboards.com/
structure is pretty clearly shown there, but still can't find photos of the actual inside.

I'm not really sure what you expect to see inside? There is just the plate and the PCB inside, noting else hides there. You can find another picture here, first page of the IC:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764

Hi mate, see quote and messages linked above. Cheers
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 May 2020, 07:54:40
thanks for linking to it.
I should include some underside pictures in the start post.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: 82d28a on Thu, 21 May 2020, 08:09:52
thanks for linking to it.
I should include some underside pictures in the start post.
Yes please. Nothing fancy just a clear detailed view of all sides. I wish more GBs and ICs did this instead of or with the artistic photos/renders. Thank you!


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Sepharis on Thu, 21 May 2020, 08:33:32
Ah My apologies for not reading the thread more closely
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 May 2020, 09:59:06
GMK Deep Navy on HMKB-80:

Again GMK Deep Navy, this time on the HMKB-80. In the last renderings with Deep Navy I made a few little mistakes regarding the legends. Should be all correct this time:

(https://i.imgur.com/ocNXGpm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3VlDIKQ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Sw9TDSr.png) (https://i.imgur.com/AZJ6PKy.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cPwv4Fp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/CPIllJX.png) (https://i.imgur.com/p32f4ck.png) (https://i.imgur.com/1AU93Y7.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/B0UyD2j.png) (https://i.imgur.com/TSj4XTE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/bGr81LF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/1F811ER.png)

GMK Deep Navy currently in group buy, here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106058.0).

Again, thanks to ttom!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: LordOwen on Fri, 22 May 2020, 06:51:20
I've been looking for a kit to call my first build... and I think that seeing those Dark Navies on the stainless builds might have just done me and my wallet a massive world of hurt... If KAT Arctics also look this smooth, I'm a goner for sure!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ilezia on Fri, 22 May 2020, 07:47:54
Ah man... I'm still waiting for Polaris and the S7 Elephant but this thing looks so good I just have to get it. For me the steel one is unique and carries the spirit of the project best so gonna pick up a 75 version. But the beige one looks so good too I'm tempted to get another :p
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 May 2020, 15:39:12
OG Cherry / GMK 9009 on HMKB-40:

Finally made some renders of the HMKB-40:

(https://i.imgur.com/4j90lVD.png) (https://i.imgur.com/DqIQsXG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/PvqTnmH.png) (https://i.imgur.com/LwE0t9C.png) (https://i.imgur.com/69uLbVj.png)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 23 May 2020, 11:34:34
HMKB outdoor

I took some more pictures outside today. These are some of the earlier prototypes (batch two and three). All at different angles, 6°, 10° and 12°. A lot asked about the bottom side, here you can see it in good lighting conditions (Cloudy sky but still ok). Yes, just a plain and boring surface, pretty much nothing to see there. No logo, nothing. The screw access holes in the corners of the bottom are quite big in the prototypes, they will be smaller in the production units. In the one closeup shot you can see that the same grommets that are used for isolating the plate are also utilized between top and bottom parts. Furthermore those same grommets act as feet.

(https://i.imgur.com/9DtOFcT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/jjToPCB.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/tA6cGkC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JvXi0PT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/knQNt2W.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ZFr7R3k.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: 82d28a on Sat, 23 May 2020, 11:49:13
HMKB outdoor

I took some more pictures outside today. These are some of the earlier prototypes (batch two and three). All at different angles, 6°, 10° and 12°. A lot asked about the bottom side, here you can see it in good lighting conditions (Cloudy sky but still ok). Yes, just a plain and boring surface, pretty much nothing to see there. No logo, nothing. The screw access holes in the corners of the bottom are quite big in the prototypes, they will be smaller in the production units. In the one closeup shot you can see that the same grommets that are used for isolating the plate are also utilized between top and bottom parts. Furthermore those same grommets act as feet.

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(https://i.imgur.com/tA6cGkC.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/knQNt2W.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZFr7R3k.jpg)

Thank you great photos.


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 23 May 2020, 16:30:29
OG Cherry with RGB MOD on HMKB-80 grey

HMKB beige was chosen specifically with OG Cherry keycaps (or GMK 9009) in mind and of course those are a perfect fit. However, some had asked if those keycaps might also go well with the HMKB grey.
So I did some renders of this combination:

(https://i.imgur.com/6y2IQd9.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9U2GuHF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/sxvKJMX.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iB9KTPI.png) (https://i.imgur.com/1e6Xblt.png)

Next I'll do some more renders of Dolch on HMKB grey. Great news that Dolch with R5 will be back soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106504.0). Those will be the last renders I'll do, no more after that, I'm really tired of doing renders :(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 23 May 2020, 18:31:07
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 23 May 2020, 18:56:42
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)

Oh, I could make that happen.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 23 May 2020, 19:04:31
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)

Oh, I could make that happen.

Make it challenging! That means NO HANDARBEIT. :p
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 23 May 2020, 19:09:03
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)

Oh, I could make that happen.

Make it challenging! That means NO HANDARBEIT. :p

I should say, if he sends me the files I could make it happen hahaha.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: hatedhero on Sat, 23 May 2020, 19:40:20
You now have to do a render of one of your keyboards with a keycap set that doesn't go well with it, just to see if it's possible. :cool:

(each render makes me more anxious to get my HMKBs already!)

Oh, I could make that happen.

Make it challenging! That means NO HANDARBEIT. :p

I should say, if he sends me the files I could make it happen hahaha.

I'd love to see a render of the GMK Handarbeit on the stainless steel bead blasted version :D I think it'd be popping hahaha.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 24 May 2020, 00:35:35
I'd love to see a render of the GMK Handarbeit on the stainless steel bead blasted version :D I think it'd be popping hahaha.

More like pooping, if you...

That's it! Render GMK I Pooped in the Pool in the beige case (the yellow one would a tad too much).
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: masterchris_99 on Mon, 25 May 2020, 08:01:54
Are there any pictures/renders of the 65 without blockers? I've searched the whole IC Thread and was not able to find anything
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 25 May 2020, 08:16:35
The color combos are awesome. If I could swing more than one I might go for GMK Lux on yellow HMKB. Also, would it be sacrilege to cerakote a SS HMKB? What about BoW on a red HMKB? For a professional office, the Deep Navy on SS is a real statement IMO. All around, very nice work!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: malde on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:05:13
Are there any pictures/renders of the 65 without blockers? I've searched the whole IC Thread and was not able to find anything

Take another look in the OP, look for HMKB-65 with Dolch and HMKB-65 with GMK TARO R2.
I don't think there is a 65 prototype without blockers.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: godofdeath on Mon, 25 May 2020, 16:14:22
ooo if only the 75% had the 7v layout with the f row moved over .25u i woulda bit on this :'(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Tue, 26 May 2020, 03:52:20
Finally placed my order for my HMKB 95 in yellow  ;D

Super hyped for it to get here!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: phinix on Tue, 26 May 2020, 05:21:13
TKL without F-row would be great in this as well.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 26 May 2020, 06:13:33
GMK Carbon on HMKB-65 Beige

Although the HMKB beige is chosen with OG beige cherry keycaps (or GMK 9009) in mind, other sets with beige also work pretty well, imo. Here it is with GMK Carbon, latest round that came with R5:

(https://i.imgur.com/9In8Oqf.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/G79RbPY.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mvvk9vV.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/M6tPrUL.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Chubbs70000000 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 02:04:31
Super happy with this GB. Just joined! Loving the look.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 27 May 2020, 12:18:14
GMK TA90 on HMKB-75 Grey

I don't yet have the prototype PCBs for the HMKB-75 but I do have a prototype case and plate now. That's enough for me to be able to show you how the build looks.

HMKB grey is perfect for Dolch. Many other sets work as well, especially when there is some kind of warm grey present. Here it is with GMK TA90. The photos also show the cherry profile how it was originally designed. The profile is completed with R0 and R5, the way it is supposed to be:

(https://i.imgur.com/9jefIBc.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/KHEstWx.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/lSQKm6e.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mxmjoh0.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: dollhouse on Wed, 27 May 2020, 18:50:05
GMK TA90 on HMKB-75 Grey

I don't yet have the prototype PCBs for the HMKB-75 but I do have a prototype case and plate now. That's enough for me to be able to show you how the build looks.

HMKB grey is perfect for Dolch. Many other sets work as well, especially when there is some kind of warm grey present. Here it is with GMK TA90. The photos also show the cherry profile how it was originally designed. The profile is completed with R0 and R5, the way it is supposed to be:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9jefIBc.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/KHEstWx.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lSQKm6e.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/mxmjoh0.jpg)


LOOKS SO GOOD
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Wed, 27 May 2020, 20:14:26
Can we get a round of shots like that with the stainless please?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: perry4761 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 20:30:48
This pictures make me anxious to get mine! Can't wait! Any updates on the raffle and the potential stream build?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: tacpot on Thu, 28 May 2020, 04:58:17
I'm trying to picture in my head what beige would look like with a dark keyset like Olivia++ dark, I love the vintage vibes from beige but concerned that it might not work with that keyset... anyone any thoughts?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ronnie_gogs on Thu, 28 May 2020, 11:47:34
Just joined the GB for HMKB95 in Yellow.
First GB, first custom... Now to shop around for keycaps
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Scragg on Thu, 28 May 2020, 11:55:32
just put in my order, Someone on my new users post suggested you guys.
This is pretty much exactly what i was looking for! super glad i found you guys before you closed the GB!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: hkiri on Thu, 28 May 2020, 12:14:27
Thanks a lot for the new photos! The grey seems like the best allrounder color!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: alphabirth on Thu, 28 May 2020, 15:50:59
This pictures make me anxious to get mine! Can't wait! Any updates on the raffle and the potential stream build?

No kidding!  You gotta quit posting these sick glamour shots... It's making me too antsy to get ahold of my board!  :p
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: mchanneh on Thu, 28 May 2020, 17:23:53
I maybe in the minority here but I think the black boards are the best of the bunch! They look so slick!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: ArtofKhaos on Thu, 28 May 2020, 19:30:52
Im in! this will be my first super stoked. 
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: arcaniko on Fri, 29 May 2020, 04:05:20
I maybe in the minority here but I think the black boards are the best of the bunch! They look so slick!

I'm definitely on your side with this one. WoB just looks phenomenal on black.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 29 May 2020, 06:18:36
That 75% looks awesome :D And to join the black crew; ordered a full75% black. Will put Griseann on it with R0-R5 mods :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: TBone on Fri, 29 May 2020, 16:02:09
Aww man I'm in, black 80% w/ brass plate ;D

Now I just have to decide which switches I'm going with, as well as stabilizers. Getting a Zeal switch tester to broaden my horizons to all of the new switches since I last bought a board!!  :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SirFroy on Fri, 29 May 2020, 22:24:40
Looking forward to pulling the trigger on this.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Sslix on Fri, 29 May 2020, 22:34:35
Beyond excited to get my 75! Going to try it with KAT Arctic  :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: dennismdc on Sat, 30 May 2020, 02:44:02
My first keyboard group buy. Can't wait to pair the 95 grey with the KAT space cadet.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: perry4761 on Sat, 30 May 2020, 14:30:54
Aww man I'm in, black 80% w/ brass plate ;D

Now I just have to decide which switches I'm going with, as well as stabilizers. Getting a Zeal switch tester to broaden my horizons to all of the new switches since I last bought a board!!  :eek:

Dont sleep on durock switches and stabs, ymmv but the Zeal tax is not worth it anymore imo.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: RazorOmega on Sat, 30 May 2020, 23:29:13
Are you able to accept other forms of payment, perhaps PayPal? I’ve been trying to purchase a stainless steel 65% but my card have issues with the website.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: Slayer77 on Sun, 31 May 2020, 06:38:54
Hi, can we have an Asian proxy next time please?

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: thor_r on Sun, 31 May 2020, 10:47:01
Just ordered 75 in stainless steel and 95 in beige. Good stuff, congrats!  :thumb:

Also waiting for my GMK Navy Blue to go with my 75. Any upcoming keycaps GB recommendations for 95 beige?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SaraZera on Sun, 31 May 2020, 18:59:19
Just purchased the HMKB-65 in black.
It'll be my first custom keyboard build and I can't wait!
Now I just need to find some keycaps and switches I like for this build.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 01 June 2020, 17:33:49
Group buy ends:
June 2nd, Tuesday, 3:00 PM CEST (Germany)


Countdown (https://webuhr.de/timer/HMKB+GB+END/2020-06-02T15:00:00/)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 01 June 2020, 17:35:12
HMKB DISCORD LINK (https://discord.gg/nBCPWAa)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: SirFroy on Mon, 01 June 2020, 23:10:52
Just went in on the 95& in grey with the brass plate.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: FellTattooArtist on Tue, 02 June 2020, 00:04:56
The HMKB 75 comes with the Eon75 is that right? does it support soldering Mil-Max 0305 or any other Mil-Max sockets?

What other PCBs would go fine on the HMKB 75?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: saesh on Tue, 02 June 2020, 01:12:19
The HMKB 75 comes with the Eon75 is that right? does it support soldering Mil-Max 0305 or any other Mil-Max sockets?

What other PCBs would go fine on the HMKB 75?

Yes, the Mil-Max sockets will work. But notice that because of the mounting style of the case the PCB is only held up by the friction of the switches and the Mill-Max sockets. It is not ideal but should work. You could solder the four outer switches to have a solid connection or put some foam into the case to keep the PCB up.

The PCB is custom made for the 75, there are no other PCBs that would fit if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: xyc0n on Tue, 02 June 2020, 13:53:41
Countdown (https://webuhr.de/timer/HMKB+GB+END/2020-06-02T15:00:00/)

Just a heads up to anyone else who was trying to join the GB at the eleventh hour, this countdown syncs to local time. It says I have 2hrs left but the GB is closed.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 02 June 2020, 13:57:15
yes, the GB is closed now.
sorry.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: funkmon on Tue, 02 June 2020, 17:32:56
Ah **** I was literally just going to buy one. I just soldered my first thing!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: omikron on Wed, 03 June 2020, 07:11:55
Dang it! I wanted to buy this metal case so bad!!! heard about it just 1 day ago by accident. :(
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: oluigenuma on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:14:37
Oh no I missed it by one day.  :(

Any chance there are going to be extras?

Please dm me if someone wants to sell his slot
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:18:46
there will be extras available for sure. with this high quantity I have to order quite a few more as backup. those will be made available after GB has shipped, some time after september.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:26:50
Little late, but if I wanted to cerakote my board after the fact, which color/finish would it adhere to the best? I imagine black or inox?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 June 2020, 15:43:44
Ceracoating over powder coating does not work (well).
This GB did not offer any ceracote or ceracote friendly option.
DONT.

If you have to, the stainless steel is your only option.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: TankaGTE on Wed, 03 June 2020, 16:43:38
Are you able to accept other forms of payment, perhaps PayPal? I’ve been trying to purchase a stainless steel 65% but my card have issues with the website.
Have you possibly tried contacting your bank? Maybe they thinks is a fraudulent charge.


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: omikron on Thu, 04 June 2020, 04:11:51
Paypal is really business unfriendly, especially in terms and conditions. It also has way more profit cut than needed and if you calculate all the taxes for specific location it is 40% or more of the total, so you have to crank up the mark-up pretty significantly in order to get any money out of your work.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: marshskitow on Sat, 06 June 2020, 17:01:05
Hey hello guy! I have to ask something since its gonna be my first build.
What stabilizers do i need for a ISO 65 build ?

I never understood stabs, exept that i need a 6,25u i guess.

Regards
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 06 June 2020, 18:32:35
Hey hello guy! I have to ask something since its gonna be my first build.
What stabilizers do i need for a ISO 65 build ?

I never understood stabs, exept that i need a 6,25u i guess.

Regards

A 6.25u, a 2u for enter, and probably a 2u for your backspace as well.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: marshskitow on Sun, 07 June 2020, 05:09:29
Hey hello guy! I have to ask something since its gonna be my first build.
What stabilizers do i need for a ISO 65 build ?

I never understood stabs, exept that i need a 6,25u i guess.

Regards

A 6.25u, a 2u for enter, and probably a 2u for your backspace as well.


Thanks a lot ! :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: marshskitow on Sun, 07 June 2020, 14:01:02
@Poesjuh, is this gonna work ?

(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/Hf35d853c5dae401986292f688d49ea9dZ.jpg)

There is a screw so im not sure.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 07 June 2020, 14:11:11
So, what is the final number of orders?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Sun, 07 June 2020, 15:05:52
So, what is the final number of orders?
Ordered mine in the day before last I think and my order number was in high 1900s. So I guess we sold a lot.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 07 June 2020, 17:36:06
GMK TA90 on HMKB-75 Grey

HMKB grey is perfect for Dolch. Many other sets work as well, especially when there is some kind of warm grey present.

Just out-of-curiosity, would you say that also applies to Modern Dolch?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS
Post by: prizeS on Sun, 07 June 2020, 18:27:35
GMK TA90 on HMKB-75 Grey

HMKB grey is perfect for Dolch. Many other sets work as well, especially when there is some kind of warm grey present.

Just out-of-curiosity, would you say that also applies to Modern Dolch?

modo would work just fine imo.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: mchanneh on Sun, 21 June 2020, 07:32:12
Hey I believe the discord link has expired, can you relink this again? Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Tue, 23 June 2020, 01:19:41
Hey I believe the discord link has expired, can you relink this again? Thanks a lot!

https://discord.gg/PzWQEsB
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: parablol on Sat, 27 June 2020, 21:32:55
Will there be a chance of offering any more 40% cases in the future?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: myflowsocold on Mon, 06 July 2020, 15:45:48
Sorry - discord link seems to have expired, can I get a fresh one? Much appreciated!


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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Mon, 06 July 2020, 21:05:59
Sorry - discord link seems to have expired, can I get a fresh one? Much appreciated!


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https://discord.gg/XgUKYD7
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: myflowsocold on Tue, 07 July 2020, 23:07:30
Thank you but says invite is invalid - not sure why. Can one of the moderators send a valid link?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Wed, 08 July 2020, 00:08:33
Thank you but says invite is invalid - not sure why. Can one of the moderators send a valid link?

Links expire. This one should last longer, valid for 25 uses.

https://discord.gg/C67hYcS
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: radam on Wed, 08 July 2020, 06:45:38
There is a link to discord, in the menu, on the website.
https://heavymetalkeyboards.com
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 23 July 2020, 06:01:03
UPDATE:

I assume all of you have joined the discord server by now.
For those who don't use discord, I'll quickly sum up:

- group buy orders slightly over 1100
- lots of communication in the discord
- build stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYeIjOk0Nlg&feature=youtu.be) and typing demo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KthtH2G4Kh8&feature=youtu.be)
- expected shipping late Q3 / September
- extras will be available after shipping

Regarding communication:
Those who know me, know that I dedicate a lot of time to communicating. Throughout the IC this has exclusively taken place here on Geekhack, since posting on multiple channels is just too much for me and since I had not jet used discord before. With the start of the GB I had finally gotten myself to setting up a discord server - many of you had asked for this during the IC phase. Immediately the HMKB discord became the main communication channel. That also meant, that this GB thread quickly became pretty much abandoned. One the one hand I feel a bit sad about this, since I had always liked and preferred the classic way of forum posting over the more chat-like and rushed discord style communication. On the other hand the discord server offers many advantages over the classic forum style. The HMKB discord server has a lot of members now and is the main communication channel. Recently communication has slowed down there a bit too, since I was on vacation. I will only post here on Geekhack when either a definitive shipping date is set or when a delay should happen. Anything else will be on the discord.

Sorry for the expired links to the HMKB discord, I wasn't aware of that in the beginning. Thanks to all who posted new links. Here is a link that should not expire that quickly (but also won't work for ever):

HMKB Discord (https://discord.gg/crtrUQC)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:19:51
I think faster communication through discord is the way most group buys go now.  I don’t see any issue as long as you provide occasional updates here, especially for important events (delays, qc issues, shipping timelines, etc...)

That should adequately satisfy the most recent addendum to the Group Buys rules:

Quote

- geekhack.org is a community of keyboard enthusiasts and not simply an advertising platform for keyboard-related sales.  Thus we request that any group buy organizers who post their group buy threads in this section also provide updates in the thread they have started until the conclusion of the group buy, even if updates are also posted somewhere else.  Group buy threads made here are for group buy progress discussion as well as open discussion of any quality control issues.   If a group buy organizer decides to provide an off-site instant message chat option for faster order support (for example Discord), any such communication needs to be optional when it comes to non-sensitive* order information.


Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:37:34
I understand the appeal of Discord from creator standpoint, but I must say I'd also rather have updates here. Discord is good for building a community but is quite bad as news source. I am member of bunch of servers I wish I wasn't but they do not provide updates anywhere else. From about 30 servers, I constantly engaged in about 4.

TLDR: Agreed with previous poster, updates regarding product should be also posted in a forum.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:43:10
As I had mentioned in my last post, this classic way of forum communication here is what I personally prefer. Once the discord server was up, it just felt like 99% happened there. I just went with it.
Sure, anything important will be posted here as well of course.

Oh and btw, one thing I forgot to mention in my quick sum up:
- I open sourced all the plate files for HMKB
You can find and download them in the discord.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: 82d28a on Thu, 23 July 2020, 19:25:05
As I had mentioned in my last post, this classic way of forum communication here is what I personally prefer. Once the discord server was up, it just felt like 99% happened there. I just went with it.
Sure, anything important will be posted here as well of course.

Oh and btw, one thing I forgot to mention in my quick sum up:
- I open sourced all the plate files for HMKB
You can find and download them in the discord.
Can you created a discord channel just for updates to the GB?  I'm not a pro discord user and I do not see any obvious place with all the updates.

Also I would prefer updates here.

Thanks again for all your cool project.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: TetraEngine on Sat, 01 August 2020, 23:57:42
As I had mentioned in my last post, this classic way of forum communication here is what I personally prefer. Once the discord server was up, it just felt like 99% happened there. I just went with it.
Sure, anything important will be posted here as well of course.

Oh and btw, one thing I forgot to mention in my quick sum up:
- I open sourced all the plate files for HMKB
You can find and download them in the discord.
Can you created a discord channel just for updates to the GB?  I'm not a pro discord user and I do not see any obvious place with all the updates.

Also I would prefer updates here.

Thanks again for all your cool project.

Yea I second that. It's hard to get updates in the group because of all the discussions going on and I don't check my discord everyday, so a dedicated Updates channel will be a big help!
Thank you and all the best for the GB, hope nothing gets delayed!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 02 August 2020, 16:00:09
Nothing new here. One of the rules of GH is to post updates in the GH topic but for some reason runners always make a discord channel and end up posting 90% of updates only there. Nothing negative against plastic persι, just a shame it's pretty much always how it goes.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: saesh on Mon, 03 August 2020, 00:53:09
Sure, anything important will be posted here as well of course.
Also I would prefer updates here.

As far as I understand updates will be posted here, only the chatter is happening in Discord.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 03 August 2020, 02:21:38
Yes, no news. This was asked a few times on discord recently as well. Still, late Q3/September is my estimate for shipping, nothing has changed in that regard.
Basically when you don't see me post an update, then that's good. If I were to update anything now then it will either be about delay or shipping start.
OKAY, I get it, some would have probably hoped for some more insight on production and the different steps before shipping. Please understand that I'm not very good at doing lots of stuff in parallel. I'm busy with more than just the GB atm, that's all fine, but during the GB phase and in the following weeks, it felt like I was doing 100% discord communication and that kept me from doing anything else. So atm, my focuse is less on communication.

I get asked about address changes due to people moving quite often. Regarding that in general:
Sure no problem, I'll take care of address changes when shipping starts, then I'll do all address changes in one go.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:51:29
is this still scheduled to ship this month?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:58:34
is this still scheduled to ship this month?

Next week I should be able to be more specific about the timeline ahead.
Shorter: update next week.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Wed, 09 September 2020, 23:12:05
Update was posted in Discord today
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: rys on Sun, 13 September 2020, 10:11:14
Can someone paste the Discord update here?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Sun, 13 September 2020, 11:00:38
Its a few pages however
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Sun, 13 September 2020, 13:37:47
Can someone paste the Discord update here?

TLDR:
There is a delay. Covid did not have an impact but delay was due to 1) Scale: expected 200, total orders 1000 2) Fear: Intimidated by scale and moving carefully 3) Details: Got lost in minute details when existing designs are already better and wasting time 4) Communication: Wasted time in answering discord instead of being productive 5) He is always late: He needed to keep this deadline so that he could work under pressure. Announcing delay early would mean he would relax and waste more time

More updates: "Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview to streamers"

I really wish he would start proving more frequent updates. Order was finalized, Boards entered production and seems they (some of them?) finished and are with runner but he didnt share a single update. All we got is this delay message after 3 and half months. I would request runner to be more transparent.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Fri, 02 October 2020, 15:37:50
is this still scheduled to ship this month?

Next week I should be able to be more specific about the timeline ahead.
Shorter: update next week.

Update was posted in Discord today

bliss don't discord.

(please post milestones and updates in this thread as well - remember, you have got hundreds of fans behind you and thus you will master this mammoth task :thumb:)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 03 October 2020, 22:23:22
I have too many things making demands on my time without adding Discord to the 'to do' list. Please cross-post here for us those of us who are too busy or lazy or technologically challenged or whatever. IC and GB ran from here, updates should be here also. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Sun, 04 October 2020, 01:31:49
OP: I will post updates both here and on Discord!
Also OP: does not post updates here
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Mekberg on Mon, 05 October 2020, 06:31:02
Last post in the Updates channel on Discord was on September 9th, so don't worry, you're not missing much of anything. Quoting it below, for reference:

Quote
Okay, sooo WHEN?

Well, production itself isn't really taking a lot of time. Organizing around it is what takes most of the time. Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Please keep in mind that almost every other GB that started around the same time will have you waiting at least until Q1, next year - in this context I still consider HMKB to be pretty quick.

I hope you understand and bear with me.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Mon, 05 October 2020, 12:39:31
Its not about missing much or not, its about OP not posting here when he promised to do so.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Mon, 05 October 2020, 13:40:45
SKB was pretty slow for maybe 1/5th as many orders as HMKB

See you kids summer 2021.... ahahhhaha
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Wed, 07 October 2020, 08:40:04
Last post in the Updates channel on Discord was on September 9th, so don't worry, you're not missing much of anything. Quoting it below, for reference:

Quote
Okay, sooo WHEN?

Well, production itself isn't really taking a lot of time. Organizing around it is what takes most of the time. Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Please keep in mind that almost every other GB that started around the same time will have you waiting at least until Q1, next year - in this context I still consider HMKB to be pretty quick.

I hope you understand and bear with me.

Thank you for posting that here!

I'm cool with it all, just wanted to state that I am probably not going to check the Discord, call me old-fashioned...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 09 October 2020, 14:57:48
Can someone paste the Discord update here?

TLDR:
There is a delay. Covid did not have an impact but delay was due to 1) Scale: expected 200, total orders 1000 2) Fear: Intimidated by scale and moving carefully 3) Details: Got lost in minute details when existing designs are already better and wasting time 4) Communication: Wasted time in answering discord instead of being productive 5) He is always late: He needed to keep this deadline so that he could work under pressure. Announcing delay early would mean he would relax and waste more time

More updates: "Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview to streamers"

Thanks for the TLDR of my discord update. I don't think I need to add anything to that, the full version is on discord. It's quite long.

I really wish he would start proving more frequent updates. Order was finalized, Boards entered production and seems they (some of them?) finished and are with runner but he didnt share a single update. All we got is this delay message after 3 and half months. I would request runner to be more transparent.

Guys, I know, some would feel more comfortable with more updates. Though not apparent here for those who don't use discord, I continued to be very active over there for quite some time after the GB order phase had ended and until just recently. I felt that I had to retreat from the constant communication because it was too time consuming and kept me from focusing on more important things. Hope you can understand that.

Sure, it's unfortunate that I had to announce a delay but keep in mind that the overall GB schedule was quite ambitious to begin with, afaik most GBs usually take longer. Could have been easier for me now if I had just set a later shipping time to begin with. Though I think it is overall better for the GB this way because if I really had given me more time, maybe I would have progressed slower which would have lead to a delay as well.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 23 October 2020, 14:39:52
Apologies for the all to common "late to the party" post, but will there, or is there, any extras,or another round planned in the future?
If so, when and where?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: cpt-nic on Fri, 23 October 2020, 14:50:27
According to the discord, extras will be available - and it seems like not only "some" but "many". Current estimate is Q4 2020.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: leski on Mon, 09 November 2020, 01:14:38
Could anyone kindly send a valid discord invitation link? Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Mon, 09 November 2020, 01:33:12
Could anyone kindly send a valid discord invitation link? Thanks!
https://discord.gg/J6977aweBe
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 15 November 2020, 14:39:57
Q4 almost over

Treeleaf slowly becomes angry

The chance of shipping is like finding a four leaf clover

I don't think it will happen soon, frankly

 :mad:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: norb on Sun, 15 November 2020, 14:51:42
Q4 almost over

Treeleaf slowly becomes angry

The chance of shipping is like finding a four leaf clover

I don't think it will happen soon, frankly

 :mad:

almost over? we're literally at  50% of q4 bro.
if a few months delay makes you angry, i hope for you that you didn't take part in the gmk dracula gb, which will have at least 9 months delay from the original ship date.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Sun, 15 November 2020, 16:09:52
Q4 almost over

Treeleaf slowly becomes angry

The chance of shipping is like finding a four leaf clover

I don't think it will happen soon, frankly

 :mad:

almost over? we're literally at  50% of q4 bro.
if a few months delay makes you angry, i hope for you that you didn't take part in the gmk dracula gb, which will have at least 9 months delay from the original ship date.

Just because some GBs take longer doesn't mean that every other one also should.

It's understandable for people to get antsy when the GB runner announces a delay in the same month the product is scheduled to ship, and then gives no further meaningful update for the next 2 months.

" For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. "

I don't really mind waiting, but some more frequent updates would be nice, even if you have to communicate that there are more delays. I would rather get another delay update in November than like 2 weeks before the end of Q4.

Or maybe production is going well and this will actually ship in Q4, who knows.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Shikada on Mon, 16 November 2020, 04:45:01
There's no meaningful update, and GB runner is avoiding Discord for a while now...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Shikada on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:07:07
We just got an update, here's a copy for those not in the Discord server:

Quote
UPDATE

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
I had already mentioned this in my last message which I had addressed at everyone. So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

I understand that it is frustrating to wait. I'm very sorry for that.

There was the poll about which streamer should get the latest pre production units. Those will go out in about two weeks from now.

Something else:
I noticed that the #general chatroom has been occupied by trolls lately. I would appreciate suggestions on how to deal with those. I know some of you have already muted those individuals but I hope there is a general solution for this. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:10:38
There's no meaningful update, and GB runner is avoiding Discord for a while now...

I'm not avoiding discord. I chat there regularly. There just isn't anything to update about atm. Here is the situation...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:11:39
We just got an update, here's a copy for those not in the Discord server:

Quote
UPDATE

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
I had already mentioned this in my last message which I had addressed at everyone. So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

I understand that it is frustrating to wait. I'm very sorry for that.

There was the poll about which streamer should get the latest pre production units. Those will go out in about two weeks from now.

Something else:
I noticed that the #general chatroom has been occupied by trolls lately. I would appreciate suggestions on how to deal with those. I know some of you have already muted those individuals but I hope there is a general solution for this. Thanks.

Damn, you are quick, I just wanted to post this here, let me do it anyway...

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:12:16
UPDATE

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

I understand that it is frustrating to wait. I'm very sorry for that.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: TheNeonKnight on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:35:21
Sad I just found this group buy today, would have totally snagged a 60%.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:36:38
there will be extras ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: TheNeonKnight on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:47:38
Ill keep an eye out, then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 16 November 2020, 10:11:14
Please post here with info. I'm also on your Discord but sometimes hard to wade through new messages if I don't keep up. Definitely considering a 65

there will be extras ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Mon, 16 November 2020, 11:10:43
UPDATE

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

I understand that it is frustrating to wait. I'm very sorry for that.

seems like that is a bit of oversight that should have been ironed out prior to offering an unlimited GB. nonetheless, GL and hoping to receive my 95 soon.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 20 November 2020, 12:30:57
"For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time."

So, it is my understanding that production has not started yet? Just tell us it's not Q4 anymore.

I found this fantastic video on the HMKB Discord:





Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 November 2020, 12:37:38
nice video!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kraize on Fri, 20 November 2020, 13:19:40
So, let me get this straight. You started a GB (unlimited, nonetheless) in April without any idea on logistics?!? Then you proceeded to sell 1000+ units at an average of $150 to amount to $150k and now it is November (7 months later) and NO production has started yet. There is STILL no place to house the boards and no updates were sent out? LOL. Glad I didn't go in on this.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 20 November 2020, 13:22:35
nice video!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Timbersawdust on Fri, 20 November 2020, 13:52:53
nice video!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 20 November 2020, 14:57:37
lmao
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Fri, 20 November 2020, 15:22:27
nice video!

this response is not a good look. shows more about you than the people asking for constant updates, honestly.

there's a reason people are not happy with how things are turning out, and the nonchalant, standoffish responses to paying customers are just fanning the flames. more transparency and less radio silence is needed, and stop guaranteeing deadlines you can't meet.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: akimbra on Fri, 20 November 2020, 15:22:52
Nice video!
oh it's my video
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 November 2020, 15:36:29
nice video!

this response is not a good look. shows more about you than the people asking for constant updates, honestly.

there's a reason people are not happy with how things are turning out, and the nonchalant, standoffish responses to paying customers are just fanning the flames. more transparency and less radio silence is needed, and stop guaranteeing deadlines you can't meet.

I have taken plenty of time over the last days to give more insight regarding the delay. I have engaged some of those who are unhappy directly in order to resolve the issue. again I'm sorry for the delays.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: akimbra on Fri, 20 November 2020, 16:51:31
Hey friend, thanks for liking my video, it's always good to see the positive feedback from this community!


(https://i.imgur.com/Xc7yRvu.png)(https://i.imgur.com/OavnFIp.png)(https://i.imgur.com/sO4dqpV.png)



I'm sorry but why lie to people? Is there a double standard in providing refunds for the people that ask? Manufacturing hasn't even started and you have yet to figure out how you will be able to do the logistics.

Although, yes, there is a clause in the GB about delays, I have yet to see any concrete update about your GB. I wasn't at all trying to be mean, I only asked that you will show some proof for the things you have stated and the objectives you have accomplished in the past 6 months of this GB.

Edit: I will acknowledge that zujo got his refund as plastik states but that is no reason to lie to people about a double standard.

I have yet to cancel my order and still believe that you can pull through but not by being silent or answering criticism with sarcasm. Please be transparent as it is not too late for this group buy to turn into a successful one!

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 November 2020, 18:08:59
as I have explained in the discord already, there are a few people being very rude and even harassing. I hope it is understandable that I would like to move forward without them being part of the group buy. that is why I gave a refund to those and the ones I assumed were affiliated.

you specifically are very toxic. i would really welcome to be able to refund you but so far you refused to provide me with your order number.

oh and btw, zujo is refunded, that screenshot does not show the whole discussion.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: D-EJ915 on Fri, 20 November 2020, 18:35:16
In the discord I saw "PCB and some parts" are in production? Is there an actual list of what has been produced and is in possession, what is in production currently and what is waiting to be produced? (presumably waiting on the storage area).  I think it would help a bit, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 November 2020, 18:41:47
exactly, had told this a few times on the discord already but it keeps drowning in the noise which is caused by a handfull of people. PCBs are in production. the "some parts" is just plates at surface treatment which will go to builders/streamers.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Fri, 20 November 2020, 20:31:38
nice video!

this response is not a good look. shows more about you than the people asking for constant updates, honestly.

there's a reason people are not happy with how things are turning out, and the nonchalant, standoffish responses to paying customers are just fanning the flames. more transparency and less radio silence is needed, and stop guaranteeing deadlines you can't meet.

I have taken plenty of time over the last days to give more insight regarding the delay. I have engaged some of those who are unhappy directly in order to resolve the issue. again I'm sorry for the delays.

yes, i have seen those. but just keep in mind that you are often radio silent for months on end, and pop up a once in a blue moon to state that some other problem has popped up. if you were more consistently providing updates, maybe people wouldn't be as nagging. it's the fact that we don't know when updates will come, whether there's progress, what stage the project is in, etc. add to the fact that when you do respond, you're sarcastic and curt rather than helpful most times. i'm not one to judge, but it doesn't make much sense to respond sarcastically when paying customers have legitimate concerns.

there comes to a point where just apologizing doesn't work anymore, too. you can be sorry for the delay, but that doesn't change the fact that we are once again going to miss your deadline. the reason people are concerned is because every time an update comes, it seems like a new problem arises that should've been dealt with before. and people were kept in the dark regarding what stage the project was in, so to know that production on cases haven't started at all when the projected deadline of Q4 is coming up (which already has been delayed), is pretty surprising to most.

again, i'm just trying to offer constructive criticism from my perspective. i have just been lurking in the discord, and understand that delays are part of GBs. i get that no one is trying to have delays, but when the only updates that come out are just more delays, it's frustrating. i would suggest this, for example: the last update you mentioned the Q4 target, which we are most likely missing. there is no way that the you couldn't have foreseen this storage issue 2 months prior, especially since production has not started all along. you should have mentioned that there could be warehousing/storage issues that could arise, to which might contribute to further delays. also mention that the cases have not been started yet, just the pcbs. - this way people can have a better idea of what's going on, instead of being dropped a bomb 1 month before deadline every update.

i hope this makes sense. the toxic chats are not helpful either, that's for sure.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 02:15:16
If being "toxic" is prerequisite for getting a refund and getting out of this toxic group buy I can dial it up? The delays are one thing. Lying about progress and the bull**** shaming people for wanting an update (which proved to be well placed concern) is the main bit I'm not ok with. Also those mentioning the runner takes a 3% PayPal refund hit - they have had at best estimate around 200,000€ for over 6 months now and not produced anything. Most loans run at well over 10% if not closet to 20% interest per year, so even if they refunded everything it's still a pretty sweet deal for them. I wish I thought of it first.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 21 November 2020, 02:17:50
Q2 2021 that is I guess
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Sat, 21 November 2020, 05:05:08
I am also not happy with how plastic is handling the GB. No concrete updates on what is happening, progress, parts completed, update photos.. nothing... Just some vague reasons on the delay. Saying "Delays are common in GB" thousand times will not solve anything. People will accept delays if you are transparent. Being shady and cryptic and completely silent on details will lead to unhappy people... I hope plastic learns from how others are handling their GB's. All the best
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: beekey on Sat, 21 November 2020, 05:48:24
At the core this is about trust. People trust GB runners with their money and faith that something nice will be produced. When GB runners are not showing people some respect with information sharing and updating them, the relationship is on a downhill trajectory.
If then nothing improves over such a long time, people will loose trust and questioning everything. Sorry to say so, but PlastikSchnittstelle GB handling is a complete failure IMHO.
If he wants to gain any trust again, he needs to up his game. If this GB is too much for him to handle, he should refund and call it a day. Start smaller and build up skills in running big logistic projects. Maybe get some people to help and share the burden and fun.

As with all relationships there are two sides and this should not be an excuse for any of the two sides being rude.

To give a complete counter example is the Pandora GB. Koobaczech is fantastic. Super positive guy and he shares a stream of small little updates. This builds something very positive around the GB. People are looking forward to see more pieces come together.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sprigun on Sat, 21 November 2020, 06:59:17
Most loans run at well over 10% if not closet to 20% interest per year, so even if they refunded everything it's still a pretty sweet deal for them. I wish I thought of it first.
I would like to bank where you bank. 20% interest per year!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 07:05:58
You understand the difference between interest rates on loans, credit cards etc versus savings, term deposits etc right?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 21 November 2020, 07:32:29
the alarming and negative picture that some try to paint of this group buy is really unsettling to me. I had explained in the update section what has been taking time so far and had furthermore mentioned the simple reasons that block the further progress. the pcbs require less space, no further handling and don't need to be checked before being passed on for surface treatment, that's why they are already in production. in hindsight the very optimistic Q3 timeframe wasn't a good idea, still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys.

what some have been letting out here has nothing to do with valid criticism, it is simply harassment. atm I don't know how to deal with those individuals, sorry that the discord server has become an unfriendly environment.

I hope it is understandable that I would like certain individuals not to be part of this group by anymore, which is the reason I made refunds. delays itself are no reason for a refund, this policy is the same with most other group buys.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 21 November 2020, 08:21:40
So still confidently on track for Q4 then as last update?

"harassment"

People wanting to know wtf is going on with something they bought when presented with confident timelines is not "harassment". There's an unavoidable loss of trust when you say things like "no updates is good news", citing the amount of time spent on communication as a reason for delays and then not communicating at all for months, people take you at face value and then you abuse that trust. This is not just people being impatient for no reason or "harassing". Viable suggestions have been proposed, e. g. if volume of orders is the issues, nothing stops you from processing them in batches of 200 as per your expected initial volume. If people have to wait for later batches because of that I'm sure some would still complain but most would be understanding and it wouldn't leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ggggggg on Sat, 21 November 2020, 10:11:11
So still confidently on track for Q4 then as last update?

"harassment"

People wanting to know wtf is going on with something they bought when presented with confident timelines is not "harassment". There's an unavoidable loss of trust when you say things like "no updates is good news", citing the amount of time spent on communication as a reason for delays and then not communicating at all for months, people take you at face value and then you abuse that trust. This is not just people being impatient for no reason or "harassing". Viable suggestions have been proposed, e. g. if volume of orders is the issues, nothing stops you from processing them in batches of 200 as per your expected initial volume. If people have to wait for later batches because of that I'm sure some would still complain but most would be understanding and it wouldn't leave a bad taste in the mouth.

What you're describing is not harassment. But if you're following the direction the Discord server is taking you've seen him being subject to hate and vitriol. There's really no point to the Discord server anymore, if I could I'd lock it down. There are a lot of valid complaints and suggestions being voiced which drown in an endless sea of "wow I haven't been here for a while what happenend omg Plastik you shouldve seen this coming months ago lol what a ****show", ad nauseam. If all that were contained to this thread at least people wouldn't repeat the same rants every 30 minutes.
That being said, the group buy is being handled very badly and I really hope Plastikschnittstelle can filter out the noise and – instead of engaging those in it for the chaos – consider actually replying to some of the suggestions kicking around, such as the above quoted.

*Why not process in batches? If this isn't practical, tell us why please.
*You said sorting all the hardware is a daunting task all by yourself. Have you found someone to help you with that?
*You say you're waiting on two locations where you can sort and store cases. Lots of people have suggested renting out self-storage, have you looked into this? Germany is under a soft lockdown for at least a few more weeks, maybe you can strike a deal with an otherwise closed local business to rent out their space?

Also please for the love of god stop repeating still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys, that is not the issue.

[...] Saying "Delays are common in GB" thousand times will not solve anything. People will accept delays if you are transparent. [...]

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Sat, 21 November 2020, 10:45:07
IMO much of the discontent stems from the aggressive timeframe set by Plastik, which resulted in unrealistic expectations. I came to this conclusion after having a look at the round 1 gb, https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.0):
GB start: 2018/04
Shipping: 2019/08
(I triple checked). Let that sink in for a minute. Caveat emptor, indeed.

No bad blood at all, looking forward to my 80 :-*

And I won't bother Plastik on discord so he can concentrate on the process...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Sat, 21 November 2020, 14:51:55
in hindsight the very optimistic Q3 timeframe wasn't a good idea, still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys.



don't compare yourself to other GBs, compare it to your own timeframe. you set the targets, not the other vendors. what people need and want is more accountability, not more apologies and justifications for failure.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: yhs on Sat, 21 November 2020, 15:52:38
I'll be fully transparent - I have not followed this GB after joining at all. However, I read several unsettling posts lately and now read that GB runner has in fact refunded some of the GB participants, despite it not being GB policy (or standard in other GBs for that matter). Question: are you willing to refund my spot if I were to ask you to do so? I am sure someone else will want the extra board at some point. If not, will acting like a jerk make me eligible for a refund?

This is not a jab at GB runner at all, I am just trying to understand the mechanic here.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Sat, 21 November 2020, 17:21:14
People make mistakes.

There's nothing 'shady' about Plastik.

I don't care if my board takes another year.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 21 November 2020, 19:02:35
People make mistakes.

There's nothing 'shady' about Plastik.

I don't care if my board takes another year.

I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: prizeS on Sat, 21 November 2020, 23:17:58
People make mistakes.

There's nothing 'shady' about Plastik.

I don't care if my board takes another year.

nothing wrong with Plastik. no one said he was shady or anything. it's just the way he handled things.

you also can't speak for everyone. not everyone is okay with another year. if everyone just ends up enabling mistakes after mistakes, then the hobby will never progress.

at the end of the day Plastik has had prior GB experience, so we all know he's not shady.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: leetuser on Sun, 22 November 2020, 00:59:56
Honestly this board looks great. Was sad I missed the GB, but reading up to this point I'm happy to just watch this play out. I would love to purchase a board at some point. Does anyone know if there's any plans to sell these ever again after the GB is complete?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: parablol on Sun, 22 November 2020, 01:09:09
I missed the GB and if anyone who got a Planck-compatible case wants to give up your spot, I'll buy it from you.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: norb on Sun, 22 November 2020, 05:38:20
Honestly this board looks great. Was sad I missed the GB, but reading up to this point I'm happy to just watch this play out. I would love to purchase a board at some point. Does anyone know if there's any plans to sell these ever again after the GB is complete?

there will be extras available, you could try to grab one of them.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: radam on Sun, 22 November 2020, 08:55:05
I just want to mention that comparing yourself to other delayed group buys should not be used as positive measurement, or what is to be considered normal. I have noticed a bit of a standoffish attitude from providing updates before it got to this point. If you give yourself a goal, miss it, and tell yourself it's fine because you are still within a normal time frame, you will miss your next goal because pushing dates becomes acceptable. I believe that giving updates, weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly, keeps you feeling accountable and keeps the work in the forefront of your mind. I consider myself a procrastinator and this is how it works. It also gives participants confidence that you are always working on a solution for the current problems. Yes it's work, and you're just one person, but I believe that makes it a little more important.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:00:07
So still confidently on track for Q4 then as last update?

"harassment"

People wanting to know wtf is going on with something they bought when presented with confident timelines is not "harassment". There's an unavoidable loss of trust when you say things like "no updates is good news", citing the amount of time spent on communication as a reason for delays and then not communicating at all for months, people take you at face value and then you abuse that trust. This is not just people being impatient for no reason or "harassing". Viable suggestions have been proposed, e. g. if volume of orders is the issues, nothing stops you from processing them in batches of 200 as per your expected initial volume. If people have to wait for later batches because of that I'm sure some would still complain but most would be understanding and it wouldn't leave a bad taste in the mouth.

What you're describing is not harassment. But if you're following the direction the Discord server is taking you've seen him being subject to hate and vitriol. There's really no point to the Discord server anymore, if I could I'd lock it down. There are a lot of valid complaints and suggestions being voiced which drown in an endless sea of "wow I haven't been here for a while what happenend omg Plastik you shouldve seen this coming months ago lol what a ****show", ad nauseam. If all that were contained to this thread at least people wouldn't repeat the same rants every 30 minutes.
That being said, the group buy is being handled very badly and I really hope Plastikschnittstelle can filter out the noise and – instead of engaging those in it for the chaos – consider actually replying to some of the suggestions kicking around, such as the above quoted.

*Why not process in batches? If this isn't practical, tell us why please.
*You said sorting all the hardware is a daunting task all by yourself. Have you found someone to help you with that?
*You say you're waiting on two locations where you can sort and store cases. Lots of people have suggested renting out self-storage, have you looked into this? Germany is under a soft lockdown for at least a few more weeks, maybe you can strike a deal with an otherwise closed local business to rent out their space?

Also please for the love of god stop repeating still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys, that is not the issue.

[...] Saying "Delays are common in GB" thousand times will not solve anything. People will accept delays if you are transparent. [...]

Excellent reply. After not reading about this for like 6 months and not even remembering I'd gotten an early bird in the "pre-GB" stage I've just recently looked at a couple things because this thread kept getting bumped and the incessant trolling and just general ridiculous badgering is actually insane, never seen this in any other GB even when Ivan scammed like 80% of GH - not to say people being pissed off isn't warranted because it absolutely is, but good lord.

People may think it's crazy talk but this is why having literally anything be done via discord is an insane detriment to the sanity of anyone involved in any group buy. I swear if this had been done exclusively via Geekhack not even 5% of the toxicity would've been present (as is obviated by the fact the person that seemingly made the "meme" video has 5 posts with a 2020 account, among other things) - discord is a cesspool and the bane of anyone's mental state if they value it, save very specific cases where the servers are heavily gated and properly maintained. I would strongly suggest anyone looking to do anything relating to keyboards take that to heart.
Title: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:56:40
So still confidently on track for Q4 then as last update?

"harassment"

People wanting to know wtf is going on with something they bought when presented with confident timelines is not "harassment". There's an unavoidable loss of trust when you say things like "no updates is good news", citing the amount of time spent on communication as a reason for delays and then not communicating at all for months, people take you at face value and then you abuse that trust. This is not just people being impatient for no reason or "harassing". Viable suggestions have been proposed, e. g. if volume of orders is the issues, nothing stops you from processing them in batches of 200 as per your expected initial volume. If people have to wait for later batches because of that I'm sure some would still complain but most would be understanding and it wouldn't leave a bad taste in the mouth.

What you're describing is not harassment. But if you're following the direction the Discord server is taking you've seen him being subject to hate and vitriol. There's really no point to the Discord server anymore, if I could I'd lock it down. There are a lot of valid complaints and suggestions being voiced which drown in an endless sea of "wow I haven't been here for a while what happenend omg Plastik you shouldve seen this coming months ago lol what a ****show", ad nauseam. If all that were contained to this thread at least people wouldn't repeat the same rants every 30 minutes.
That being said, the group buy is being handled very badly and I really hope Plastikschnittstelle can filter out the noise and – instead of engaging those in it for the chaos – consider actually replying to some of the suggestions kicking around, such as the above quoted.

*Why not process in batches? If this isn't practical, tell us why please.
*You said sorting all the hardware is a daunting task all by yourself. Have you found someone to help you with that?
*You say you're waiting on two locations where you can sort and store cases. Lots of people have suggested renting out self-storage, have you looked into this? Germany is under a soft lockdown for at least a few more weeks, maybe you can strike a deal with an otherwise closed local business to rent out their space?

Also please for the love of god stop repeating still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys, that is not the issue.

[...] Saying "Delays are common in GB" thousand times will not solve anything. People will accept delays if you are transparent. [...]

Excellent reply. After not reading about this for like 6 months and not even remembering I'd gotten an early bird in the "pre-GB" stage I've just recently looked at a couple things because this thread kept getting bumped and the incessant trolling and just general ridiculous badgering is actually insane, never seen this in any other GB even when Ivan scammed like 80% of GH - not to say people being pissed off isn't warranted because it absolutely is, but good lord.

People may think it's crazy talk but this is why having literally anything be done via discord is an insane detriment to the sanity of anyone involved in any group buy. I swear if this had been done exclusively via Geekhack not even 5% of the toxicity would've been present (as is obviated by the fact the person that seemingly made the "meme" video has 5 posts with a 2020 account, among other things) - discord is a cesspool and the bane of anyone's mental state if they value it, save very specific cases where the servers are heavily gated and properly maintained. I would strongly suggest anyone looking to do anything relating to keyboards take that to heart.
“Join my discord server here”

It seems like having a separate Discord server nowadays is the ****. I’ve personally joined like at least 20 Discord servers and 99% of a time they serve 0 purpose. That is, after you disable all notifications cause otherwise you’ll go insane in a matter of days.

It seems like the whole concept of IM got misjudged and misapplied all over the place while insisting that “community engagement” is the way to go.

I have to disagree. In our age of information the quality and cohesiveness of thought is far superior to a sheer quantity.

Addressing the GB. Mistakes were made and that’s fine. Mistakes are the best way to learn and improve. The GB runner just need to address the suggestions on this thread and finally start to provide meaningful updates.

Update saying there are no updates is better that no update at all. A paragraph or two will suffice. It will take literally 15 minutes weekly to draft it and send here.

* Updates: Geekhack thread + mailing list (something like a trello board for currently worked on items will do wonders as well)
* Support: mail (maybe zendesk if GB runner is feeling fancy)
* Chatter: Discord server which is 100% ignored by the GB runner. Just make it clear that Discord is for customers to discuss and share. Not for updates. Not for support.

I get that managing things may be challenging especially when you get overwhelmed with a large order quantity etc. But above would take a day to setup at most while addressing the majority of constructive criticism at this point.

“it is still better the other group buys” -> “my original estimate was indeed overly optimistic and I apologize for this. The current rough ETA is X because of A,B and C”

“currently I’m communicating with multiple vendors regarding X. I should have a reply from them by Y. That will unblock A,B,C but D is still blocked on Z.”
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: perry4761 on Sun, 22 November 2020, 16:13:25

Addressing the GB. Mistakes were made and that’s fine. Mistakes are the best way to learn and improve. The GB runner just need to address the suggestions on this thread and finally start to provide meaningful updates.

Update saying there are no updates is better that no update at all. A paragraph or two will suffice. It will take literally 15 minutes weekly to draft it and send here.

* Updates: Geekhack thread + mailing list (something like a trello board for currently worked on items will do wonders as well)
* Support: mail (maybe zendesk if GB runner is feeling fancy)
* Chatter: Discord server which is 100% ignored by the GB runner. Just make it clear that Discord is for customers to discuss and share. Not for updates. Not for support.

I get that managing things may be challenging especially when you get overwhelmed with a large order quantity etc. But above would take a day to setup at most while addressing the majority of constructive criticism at this point.

“it is still better the other group buys” -> “my original estimate was indeed overly optimistic and I apologize for this. The current rough ETA is X because of A,B and C”

“currently I’m communicating with multiple vendors regarding X. I should have a reply from them by Y. That will unblock A,B,C but D is still blocked on Z.”

We've been asking for that since October, and the answer we've had is "what I'm doing is in line with other GB's, I don't understand why everyone is so mad, I'm not going to do updates every two weeks that's crazy".

Plastik needs to acknowledge that we aren't mad because we think he's running away with our money, or because of delays. We are mad because there is a lack of MEANINGFUL communication, and because the apparent cause of delays seems to be procrastination. Maybe it's not, but we don't have any updates to tell us it's not, all we know is that it isn't covid and that renting a space is a problem, and some solutions offered by the community (doing it in batches) have been ignored. There might be a very good reason why that's not a viable option, but please tell us! You don't have to address every question from everyone, and certainly not as a direct reply to each question, but addressing the most commonly asked questions is not unreasonable and can be done in a single post that would take as little as 20 minutes to write.

We're halfway into the Q4 estimate, and we haven't been told yet that the Q4 estimate, which was meant to be a "sure thing" is no longer feasible, but with the info we currently have it is obvious that this board will be delayed to 2021, and at this point Q2 2021 seems more likely than Q1.

Answering the following questions would help a ton with the vitriol from the community that this GB has been experiencing in the last few days:

What steps are being taken to resolve the issues that are stopping this group buy from going forward? Any news on the two places you were looking to rent? Were you able to find a manufacturer that will pack the screws and small components for you? If it took you 7 months to rent a space and find a screw manufacturer, how are you expecting to QC 1100+ boards and even more PCBs on your own before summer? Has production started (besides the PCBs)? If not, when and how long do you think it will take? Do you need help from the members of the community for anything?

I don't understand how this group buy became so secretive after such an open IC.

For what it's worth, I think that some of what happened in the Discord server was extremely rude and mean-spirited. It is best to ignore those who spend half of their day spewing hate at the project without contributing to a meaningful conversation, but to do so without addressing the constructive criticism and the solutions proposed by the more reasonable participants comes off as tone-deaf and is why the anger has carried on over here as well.

As one of those who has participated in the early bird funding of this project back in January, I still have faith in the runner and the project, but I wish there was more transparency, even in the "no updates" updates (ex: "still waiting on a place before manufacturing starts, the price of the places I was waiting was too high" or "still negotiating for the rental" or "made an offer, still waiting for answer" or "started manufacturing the first 200 boards" etc).

Good luck with everything Plastik, I can't wait to get my hands on my HMKB-80!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Mon, 23 November 2020, 01:11:13
For what it's worth, I think that some of what happened in the Discord server was extremely rude and mean-spirited. It is best to ignore those who spend half of their day spewing hate at the project without contributing to a meaningful conversation, but to do so without addressing the constructive criticism and the solutions proposed by the more reasonable participants comes off as tone-deaf and is why the anger has carried on over here as well.

As one of those who has participated in the early bird funding of this project back in January, I still have faith in the runner and the project, but I wish there was more transparency, even in the "no updates" updates (ex: "still waiting on a place before manufacturing starts, the price of the places I was waiting was too high" or "still negotiating for the rental" or "made an offer, still waiting for answer" or "started manufacturing the first 200 boards" etc).

Exact same position as a participant in the early funding, exactly my same thought. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Emir on Mon, 23 November 2020, 09:12:18
lumina vibes
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 23 November 2020, 09:27:59
lumina vibes
Exactly. On so many levels.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sprigun on Mon, 23 November 2020, 15:12:39
You understand the difference between interest rates on loans, credit cards etc versus savings, term deposits etc right?

Show me a savings or term deposit loan with 10-20% interest
This is not a credit card loan
You understand realities vs drama?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: tectonicplate on Mon, 23 November 2020, 18:29:42
I joined the Plastik's original SKB GB… and it took forever with far fewer boards to deal with. Eventually I got my board and it was great, ultimately worth the long wait. I decided to also join this GB knowing full well, regardless of what the GB runner claimed, this would most likely be a longer wait. I'm OK with waiting, and I've been fine with the communications, but these were my expectations going into this. Excited to get this board, whenever it shows up.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ponchofreedo on Mon, 23 November 2020, 19:37:31
I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.

its been beyond badgering at times. my take on it right now: we're coming up on the holidays, so things will probably be slowed down anyways. would be great to have some more meaningful transparency, as has been pointed out, but this is far from the worst groupbuy (as some people have been claiming) that ive been in or seen. some people just gotta chill and let the man do his thing, but it would be nice to get more meaningful transparency. its kind of like the capsunlocked scenario, but at least compared to that one, we haven't been gaslit every week.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 24 November 2020, 15:07:34
lumina vibes
Exactly. On so many levels.

I joined the hobby relatively recently (2019), what's up with lumina?

I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.

its been beyond badgering at times. my take on it right now: we're coming up on the holidays, so things will probably be slowed down anyways. would be great to have some more meaningful transparency, as has been pointed out, but this is far from the worst groupbuy (as some people have been claiming) that ive been in or seen. some people just gotta chill and let the man do his thing, but it would be nice to get more meaningful transparency. its kind of like the capsunlocked scenario, but at least compared to that one, we haven't been gaslit every week.

I have the same expectations mainly due to my experiences with my GBs. I'm not sure how much of the fears and concerns are driven by people even newer than me to the hobby.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Topweasel on Tue, 24 November 2020, 21:01:36
I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.

its been beyond badgering at times. my take on it right now: we're coming up on the holidays, so things will probably be slowed down anyways. would be great to have some more meaningful transparency, as has been pointed out, but this is far from the worst groupbuy (as some people have been claiming) that ive been in or seen. some people just gotta chill and let the man do his thing, but it would be nice to get more meaningful transparency. its kind of like the capsunlocked scenario, but at least compared to that one, we haven't been gaslit every week.

It is beyond badgering. I think its about to self destruct. I also think its where Group buys are going. This isn't 50-100 people glad that someone has the same vision as them, 10-50 people just glad they were able to order. This isn't specialty molded and colored plastic that's allowed to run late on everything even though they have manufactured hundreds of Group buys. This is 2000 people that found a semi interesting, semi affordable, stylized option, just as the mech market exploded. It's going to run into the same issue that Kickstarter saw years ago and the pressure of it is going to have a lose some creators and some group buys dying with no refunds, may taking a vendor down with it. Kickstarter had a hard time convincing people that it wasn't a store front, that any delivery times relied on the fact that the kickstarted product was successful and could hit projections, that nothing on the pledge was even guaranteed. You had kickstarters where to make sure it was successful and was able to provide the pledges to people who paid, had to ship to retailers first. But no, that isn't allowed, people would rather the business they funded folded as long as they got their product and got it first. We still see this now with Epomaker and Durgod getting trashed for shipping their crowdfunded returns with retail and storefront sales (where in a way both used Kickstarter, indegogo and so on as pre-order systems then crowdfunding).

Sorry getting a little ranty there and can go on and on. But the point being that the more people involved the more likely you have someone who think a projection is written in stone and they will have said part by the time some event rolls around. Or someone that thinks that any deviation from projections is affront to them. Or someone that thinks that because they input money they get to choose how a business is run. What happened here will happen again, and eventually a really big one will crash and burn, because they would rather be right then get their product. Here Plastik is doing what he can. Maybe he was shortsighted. Maybe isn't moving as fast as he can. But all it takes is one or two people travesty this, and omg why isn't your mind only on getting me my hardware that, and so on, to get some people talk like well maybe he didn't need to say it this way but maybe. I hate to say it but its the same stuff that the hate groups get so many people involve. They can be as loud and brash as they want to be but as long as they can get enough people to pick out something they can hold onto it escalates.

The truth of the matter is that this isn't a free market purchase and as much as anyone would have done it differently than Plastik, we got an est not a delivery date, we got no promises of updates. In fact the exact opposite we were told updates would be minimal. We didn't order a finished and stocked item. It will come in Plastik has had them produced, QC, packaged, and shipped through whatever logistics process he can come up with. It was always that way. All the lynching is going to do is cause Plastik to hermit up more, may cause us to lose a creator we didn't need to lose. All pushing for refunds does is create a self fulfilling prophecy (as each dollar returned is less to cover shipping costs and such depending on where in manufacturing it is. One guy mentions how I am sure the board will sell. Maybe, but only if it gets to that point. We don't know how much of the price is manufacturing, shipping, and margin. Its fine in the short term if it only affects the margins. But I am guessing that is relatively small for something like this. The questions is when does the house of cards fail, 10 returns, 20, 100. I wouldn't want to find out.

Next up will probably be Louis with the Primus. Much more expensive. Has already had some tension build on some of the side GB stuff and at least one he was full sponsoring. He updates more often. But its still 1 person QCing 1000 much more demanding GB. Cannon probs going to have fun if Sat75R2 sees any delays. Heck we have to keep in mind how toxic it gets when entitle brats don't get what they want. People were tearing into NK for selling out a $100 keyboard. This hobby is going to see a bubble burst soon maybe late 2021. Probably will look more like 2019 after that.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: KZzzz on Tue, 24 November 2020, 22:46:30
I think people have gone way overboard, especially on discord... but I think there's a lot of valid concerns raised. I just don't think badgering Plastik will help, especially when he's trying to find space for the keebs.

its been beyond badgering at times. my take on it right now: we're coming up on the holidays, so things will probably be slowed down anyways. would be great to have some more meaningful transparency, as has been pointed out, but this is far from the worst groupbuy (as some people have been claiming) that ive been in or seen. some people just gotta chill and let the man do his thing, but it would be nice to get more meaningful transparency. its kind of like the capsunlocked scenario, but at least compared to that one, we haven't been gaslit every week.

It is beyond badgering. I think its about to self destruct. I also think its where Group buys are going. This isn't 50-100 people glad that someone has the same vision as them, 10-50 people just glad they were able to order. This isn't specialty molded and colored plastic that's allowed to run late on everything even though they have manufactured hundreds of Group buys. This is 2000 people that found a semi interesting, semi affordable, stylized option, just as the mech market exploded. It's going to run into the same issue that Kickstarter saw years ago and the pressure of it is going to have a lose some creators and some group buys dying with no refunds, may taking a vendor down with it. Kickstarter had a hard time convincing people that it wasn't a store front, that any delivery times relied on the fact that the kickstarted product was successful and could hit projections, that nothing on the pledge was even guaranteed. You had kickstarters where to make sure it was successful and was able to provide the pledges to people who paid, had to ship to retailers first. But no, that isn't allowed, people would rather the business they funded folded as long as they got their product and got it first. We still see this now with Epomaker and Durgod getting trashed for shipping their crowdfunded returns with retail and storefront sales (where in a way both used Kickstarter, indegogo and so on as pre-order systems then crowdfunding).

Sorry getting a little ranty there and can go on and on. But the point being that the more people involved the more likely you have someone who think a projection is written in stone and they will have said part by the time some event rolls around. Or someone that thinks that any deviation from projections is affront to them. Or someone that thinks that because they input money they get to choose how a business is run. What happened here will happen again, and eventually a really big one will crash and burn, because they would rather be right then get their product. Here Plastik is doing what he can. Maybe he was shortsighted. Maybe isn't moving as fast as he can. But all it takes is one or two people travesty this, and omg why isn't your mind only on getting me my hardware that, and so on, to get some people talk like well maybe he didn't need to say it this way but maybe. I hate to say it but its the same stuff that the hate groups get so many people involve. They can be as loud and brash as they want to be but as long as they can get enough people to pick out something they can hold onto it escalates.

The truth of the matter is that this isn't a free market purchase and as much as anyone would have done it differently than Plastik, we got an est not a delivery date, we got no promises of updates. In fact the exact opposite we were told updates would be minimal. We didn't order a finished and stocked item. It will come in Plastik has had them produced, QC, packaged, and shipped through whatever logistics process he can come up with. It was always that way. All the lynching is going to do is cause Plastik to hermit up more, may cause us to lose a creator we didn't need to lose. All pushing for refunds does is create a self fulfilling prophecy (as each dollar returned is less to cover shipping costs and such depending on where in manufacturing it is. One guy mentions how I am sure the board will sell. Maybe, but only if it gets to that point. We don't know how much of the price is manufacturing, shipping, and margin. Its fine in the short term if it only affects the margins. But I am guessing that is relatively small for something like this. The questions is when does the house of cards fail, 10 returns, 20, 100. I wouldn't want to find out.

Next up will probably be Louis with the Primus. Much more expensive. Has already had some tension build on some of the side GB stuff and at least one he was full sponsoring. He updates more often. But its still 1 person QCing 1000 much more demanding GB. Cannon probs going to have fun if Sat75R2 sees any delays. Heck we have to keep in mind how toxic it gets when entitle brats don't get what they want. People were tearing into NK for selling out a $100 keyboard. This hobby is going to see a bubble burst soon maybe late 2021. Probably will look more like 2019 after that.

People need to realize that whatever the creator does, it is by their virtue, not out of necessity. Nothing is out necessity, because this is a enthusiast operated ecosystem. Anyone can pitch their ideas and host some sort of sale, and that's a double edge sword. Especially for a group buy, you need to understand the risk at hand, that at any moment the creator can call it a fail and move on without any final product.

That being said, the inaction of veteran hobbyists and creators is just sad. The hobby is growing, but the ways things work aren't. The groupbuy framework isn't meant for the large amount of customers, and I doubt it will ever really adapt to the growing hobby. So yeah, I guess this hobby will "crash" eventually, but it doesn't seen like a concern to anyone, certainly not you. Because at the end of the day, the nature of cool, novelty products sold online is its exclusivity, and the less people knowing this hobby just mean an easier win at a raffle for the next one-of-a-kind quirky keyboard you want.

As a side note, you mentioned the Primus groupbuy. I am not familiar with the situation (cool looking board btw), but I don't thinking bring up another unrelated GB in this thread is responsible. You are projecting an unofficial status of an unrelated group buy here, which would just mislead people. I think your comments on the status of the Primus GB would interests people who actually joined Primus GB more than the people here.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Tue, 24 November 2020, 23:27:36
Don't want to quote the two posts above me, but absolutely on point.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Topweasel on Wed, 25 November 2020, 09:24:16

People need to realize that whatever the creator does, it is by their virtue, not out of necessity. Nothing is out necessity, because this is a enthusiast operated ecosystem. Anyone can pitch their ideas and host some sort of sale, and that's a double edge sword. Especially for a group buy, you need to understand the risk at hand, that at any moment the creator can call it a fail and move on without any final product.
Agreed.

That being said, the inaction of veteran hobbyists and creators is just sad. The hobby is growing, but the ways things work aren't. The groupbuy framework isn't meant for the large amount of customers, and I doubt it will ever really adapt to the growing hobby. So yeah, I guess this hobby will "crash" eventually, but it doesn't seen like a concern to anyone, certainly not you. Because at the end of the day, the nature of cool, novelty products sold online is its exclusivity, and the less people knowing this hobby just mean an easier win at a raffle for the next one-of-a-kind quirky keyboard you want.

Who said I wasn't worried. I wouldn't have made that long of a post if didn't care. But I also know that it is probably inevitable and as a consumer I can only affect this by voting by wallet. I am not worried about GB's. Ill take my chances on boards I want and if the options move in a more tenable way (like companies picking up the slack) and there are boards I want ill go that way. You have to remember that hobbies have collapsed and came back stronger. Would the Nintendo have had the success that they had if the game market didn't implode, would there have been a push for gaming on PC's? The Dotcom bubble burst needed to happen to get the web experience we have today. If I had to predict the change would be less community run group buys, and more business run ones like KBD. Or just new products with supply waves like Novelkeys, the more unique selections go back to sub 100 parts with brands everyone knows like Keycult. Not a whole lot different, just more enthusiast boards from companies we already associate with, and known low supply luxury options, but the GB a week by a business that doesn't actually stock anything, or a creator just going out on their own will be dead.

As a side note, you mentioned the Primus groupbuy. I am not familiar with the situation (cool looking board btw), but I don't thinking bring up another unrelated GB in this thread is responsible. You are projecting an unofficial status of an unrelated group buy here, which would just mislead people. I think your comments on the status of the Primus GB would interests people who actually joined Primus GB more than the people here.
I guess if the fear mentioning it get people to do the same thing. Sure. Your right. I am not going to change what I said at this point but I will keep it in mind going forward. I think my point is legit though, but lets talk on more general terms I am on several custom's discord and there are one or two that have the same side discussions that started a couple of months ago with HMKB. There more people you have involved in the Group buy the higher likelihood of dealing with people who are unable to understand what a group buy really is.

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 01 December 2020, 06:55:42
Can't wait to finally get my board this month!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:02:50
I don't know why the customers have to be the ones to post the updates on the GB thread, but here it is:

(https://i.imgur.com/jKCMzHw.png)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:21:41
I don't know why the customers have to be the ones to post the updates on the GB thread, but here it is:

You should know very well that it is not your business posting updates.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:22:24
UPDATE

Cases and plates are now in production as well. They are estimated to arrive in KW5 of 2021. That is the first week of February 2021. This also means that Q4 can't be met any more.
Some time before the cases arrive, the last batch of preview units will be sent out to streamers.
I had been too open with personal information so far, like space search for example. From here on out I will no longer offer any more personal insight. Updates will be strictly HMKB case only, no personal context. The next updates will come when the PCBs and later cases and plates arrive, nothing else.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:34:40
Thank you for the update and happy making! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Gepriester on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:51:16
Thanks for the update and keep it up.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 01 December 2020, 08:43:42
UPDATE
They are estimated to arrive in KW5 of 2021.

pardon me, plastik: what's KW5?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rexcramer on Tue, 01 December 2020, 08:53:38
UPDATE
They are estimated to arrive in KW5 of 2021.

pardon me, plastik: what's KW5?

KW is german for "Kalenderwoche" or calender week in english. KW 5 is the first week of february 2021
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 01 December 2020, 09:16:51
UPDATE
They are estimated to arrive in KW5 of 2021.

pardon me, plastik: what's KW5?

KW is german for "Kalenderwoche" or calender week in english. KW 5 is the first week of february 2021

thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:43:06
I don't know why the customers have to be the ones to post the updates on the GB thread, but here it is:

You should know very well that it is not your business posting updates.

Eh... wtf? Seriously...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: pcire on Tue, 01 December 2020, 11:02:22
I don't know why the customers have to be the ones to post the updates on the GB thread, but here it is:


Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Bamboo238 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 11:28:47
I don't know why the customers have to be the ones to post the updates on the GB thread, but here it is:

You should know very well that it is not your business posting updates.

Eh... wtf? Seriously...

Definitely uncalled for.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Tue, 01 December 2020, 13:56:22
I don't know why the customers have to be the ones to post the updates on the GB thread, but here it is:

You should know very well that it is not your business posting updates.

Eh... wtf? Seriously...

Definitely uncalled for.

Eh... wtf? Seriously...


(I'm not the person who originally posted that response, but I wholeheartedly endorse it here. People in GB have an expectation that a product will be produced in a manner and timeframe as described by the runner. Any changes should be communicated in a timely and transparent manner. Most people are reasonable, and we all know 2020 has been a year of adjusted expectations. That said, it does not eliminate the need for ongoing communications because most people don't feel like throwing ₯/£/€/$ out the window.)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:08:12
I don't know why the customers have to be the ones to post the updates on the GB thread, but here it is:

You should know very well that it is not your business posting updates.

Eh... wtf? Seriously...

Definitely uncalled for.

Completely warranted to be honest. People have been getting in his face for months now, totally understandable that he'd be defensive when someone making him to be a ****head by posting the updated he'd just posted on discord.

If you want to be nice to the participants and want to post something like that before waiting for the OP to do so himself (which is kinda weird to begin with, especially when it had just happened), at least omit the bit where you are disrespectful and condescending.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:29:13
I don't know why the customers have to be the ones to post the updates on the GB thread, but here it is:

You should know very well that it is not your business posting updates.

Eh... wtf? Seriously...

Definitely uncalled for.

Completely warranted to be honest. People have been getting in his face for months now, totally understandable that he'd be defensive when someone making him to be a ****head by posting the updated he'd just posted on discord.

If you want to be nice to the participants and want to post something like that before waiting for the OP to do so himself (which is kinda weird to begin with, especially when it had just happened), at least omit the bit where you are disrespectful and condescending.

The update on Discord was posted 1h before I posted it on the thread. It literally takes less than 30 seconds to copy some text and paste it here, so why wasn't it posted?

I wonder how much longer the GB runner would have waited if it wasn't for my comment, because most of the other updates were either late, not posted at all, or posted by a customer.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:32:57
You should know very well that it is not your business posting updates.
And you should know very well to cross post information to all mediums that you use. It takes less than a minute to open up forums and copy paste the same message from Discord.

Btw, https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106072.msg2937238#msg2937238.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Tue, 01 December 2020, 15:02:56
It's not a matter of who posted what where and when, it's about disrespectful tone.

I'm here for keyboards, and you?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: perry4761 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 15:07:10
Thank you for the update, plastik! Looking forward to receiving my HMKB :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ponchofreedo on Tue, 01 December 2020, 15:27:53
it's the OP's thread and groupbuy...why not just let the OP post their own updates? that response was totally warranted.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:36:56
The update on Discord was posted 1h before I posted it on the thread. It literally takes less than 30 seconds to copy some text and paste it here, so why wasn't it posted?

Do you truly think one hour is a long time? Maybe he wanted to post something slightly different on here, maybe he had something come up, who are you to make up random conjectures regarding why it was not instantly copy pasted just because that's what you would have done?

I wonder how much longer the GB runner would have waited if it wasn't for my comment, because most of the other updates were either late, not posted at all, or posted by a customer.

That's a great question. I guess we'll never find out because you kindly reposted a screenshot of what was said on discord an hour after it was released.

Maybe we can find out next update.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 01 December 2020, 17:32:28
The update on Discord was posted 1h before I posted it on the thread. It literally takes less than 30 seconds to copy some text and paste it here, so why wasn't it posted?

Do you truly think one hour is a long time? Maybe he wanted to post something slightly different on here, maybe he had something come up, who are you to make up random conjectures regarding why it was not instantly copy pasted just because that's what you would have done?

I wonder how much longer the GB runner would have waited if it wasn't for my comment, because most of the other updates were either late, not posted at all, or posted by a customer.

That's a great question. I guess we'll never find out because you kindly reposted a screenshot of what was said on discord an hour after it was released.

Maybe we can find out next update.

And yet, he posted basically the same thing.

We already found this out with a previous update that was posted on discord on September 9th, and had to be posted on GH by a user on Septermber 13th: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106072.msg2957302#msg2957302 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106072.msg2957302#msg2957302)

Honestly, some of you need to start being less cucky toward GB runners and stand up for yourselves as customers. If nobody had started complaining, this GB would be in the same situation it was in 2 months ago.

And this is my last post in this thread as I don't want my order to be cancelled.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Rilow on Wed, 02 December 2020, 03:28:31
Who do I contact regarding shipping address change?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 02 December 2020, 03:57:41
Who do I contact regarding shipping address change?

Don't bother right now.
You might move once again before actual shipping for what I know.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Bamboo238 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 04:59:01
Who do I contact regarding shipping address change?
Don't remember where this was mentioned, but plastik said he would do address changes all in one go once units are closer to being sent.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 02 December 2020, 16:26:36
Got my refund so I'm just happy the money can go towards something else since 2x of the boards I ordered were intended as Christmas presents which I obviously won't be happening now.

Even if not for that time frame, going from "production won't take more than a couple weeks" and saying silence = everything is ok to "i can confidently say Q4" and blaming the amount of time spent on discord for the delays to "its coming in 9 more weeks and i won't be humouring any more questions until then" would have me wanting to salvage any money I can from this mess. If you think the level of "hostility" is unwarranted, look to the attitude displayed towards someone sharing an update and it doesn't take much imagination to get a sense of the attitude towards the group buy participants in general. I was still skeptical but at least thankful for some kind of update until seeing the continued hostile attitude towards customers and decided that's enough for me. Even the refund email was kinda obnoxious and self righteous but hey, but at the end of the day at least the refund happened. So that's the last I'll be saying in this thread.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:09:30
I hope plastik wakes up from ****ty behaviour. He lied about cases in production in earlier updates and keeps on changing deadlines. People are fine with delays but there has got to be transparency. Delays without any real communication will always end up in KKINGKKONG situation. I hope this does not end up that way. Plastik is quick to compare delays to other GB's but never compares his poor communications to other GB's. People can tell if you are not interested in sharing updates. I wish him all the best
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:39:23
Allegations:

1. lying about case production
2. changing deadlines
3. no transparency/communication

Answers:

1. Untrue. The first update in which I announced that the cases are in production was in the last update. In an earlier update, I announced that PCB production had started. You maybe confuse something with production of pre production units or earlier prototypes.

2. Untrue. I have never ever set any deadline. I have only given estimates.

3. IMO, I had shared quite detailed what caused the delay. I had also detailed why I chose to limit further insights going forward.

Would you please show me some proof that you are actually a part of this group buy? Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:36:40
cucky

good cop / bad cop
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Hugs94 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 17:42:59
If Plastikschnittstelle ever makes it out of this mess - I'd love to review the board. But only once people start getting theirs
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 03 December 2020, 18:23:58
If Plastikschnittstelle ever makes it out of this mess - I'd love to review the board. But only once people start getting theirs
ooo hell yea bro, would love to see a lit review on ur channel! could u link it for me? im boutta hit that sub button and drop a fat BELL CLICK on your ish if u kno what i mean haha bro yea keep it up keep hustlin' u gon' make it big bro
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: honoka on Fri, 04 December 2020, 01:27:55
this community has lost all of it's patience and is has become a bunch of entitled cry babies.
this is not a company that you have placed and order with. it's a one person thing so stuff can get overwhelming, especially at these volumes.
i'm all for keeping gb runners accountable, but my dudes, this isn't it. nothing has gone south except for the time plan. it's a group buy, it happens.
i'm pretty sure that you could sell your spots at anytime if you fear for your money being lost. and i'm also sure you could cancel your order if you asked nicely.

please don't start up a discussion with me if you feel targeted, just chill and stop spreading negativity and we will all be fine.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Fri, 04 December 2020, 02:07:17
If Plastikschnittstelle ever makes it out of this mess - I'd love to review the board. But only once people start getting theirs

Are you asking for a free board? Lol. You can review it when the extras come out, and that is after the GB participants get theirs lol.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Bamboo238 on Fri, 04 December 2020, 13:45:16
Well, I have also joined the refund ranks. Like it has been said many times before, the problem has not been fully the delays and waiting. And besides, ease of manufacturing and the aggressive Q3 estimate was one of the primary selling points for a lot of people. Like others have said, the issue was saying that silence = no problems, only to be told on the month the boards were projected to be shipped that production hadn't even started. This was accompanied by a new Q4 'estimate', in order to be 'sure it would be delivered on time'.

2 more months passed, only for it to be announced that the status had not changed and that production hadn't even started. The main obstacle was still the same: plastik didn’t know how to store the keyboards. I understand that the logistics of running a GB are incredibly complicated, but something like this should have been thought out before the GB was run, or at least in the beginning stages post-payments. Not 2 months after boards were expected to be shipped. We all know that this year has been a **** show, and if plastik cited delays due to corona nobody would bat an eye. But, he explicitly stated that this had nothing to do with covid.

As far as the participants were concerned, until the most recent December update the expected shipping was still supposed to be Q4. Of course, most of us saw that this was totally unrealistic. Unsurprisingly, the boards are now expected to be produced by February. With QC and packaging, who knows when they will eventually be shipped - most likely not before April 2021. I have been confused by these aggressive timelines that plastik has set for himself. First 4 months for Q3 and then 3 months for Q4. Surely with his previous GB (which lasted around a year), he must have known that these were not tenable. Many of us have explained that, yes, the delays suck but are understandable. What is frustrating are unrealistically aggressive timelines, with communication gaps, only to be told right before the 'deadline' that no progress has been made and that there will be further delays. This is the process which many have said eroded participant's trust. If in the first delay update  he had said that he simply didn't know when boards would be shipped, or even said Q2 2021, most of us would probably understand and be okay with it.

Many people have justifiably complained, and some have done it overtly destructive and negative ways. But instead of recognizing how participants have felt throughout this process, plastik doubled down and increasingly reacted with his own hostility.  This included cancelling somebody's order, not being straight-forward about the reasons, and pretending that he would fix the 'mistake'. Only to never do so. I understand where his reaction comes from, but there were many other ways of going about this in a less passive-aggressive manner. Subsequent actions and updates have shown a lack of reflexivity and absolving of guilt on plastik's part. There is a shifting of blame onto participants, without acknowledging how he has contributed to the current dynamic.

Amidst all of this I am grateful to have been given a refund, which is not something Plastik needed to grant. It also seems that there are many participants that are quite happy with how things are progressing. I personally am happy to cut my losses and move on to other pastures. It does seem that with production starting at least there is movement, and there is now a new phase with this  GB. I hope plastik's new tactic of minimized updates works out for him, and wish everybody well in the rest of this GB.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 05 December 2020, 03:15:48
nothing has gone south except for the time plan. it's a group buy, it happens.

To play devil's advocate, the time frame, supported by how easy production is supposed to be (folding a couple of cut steel sheets), was considered one of the prime selling points of the group buy.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 05 December 2020, 11:34:47
HMKB was presented as a sophisticated GB. Plastik put up a slick website and the online ordering experience was trouble free. The IC thread was active and there was no mention of any concerns about production or delivery.

The simple manufacturing process was a highlight and seemed to support his statement of a 3Q20 delivery. Splitting hairs at this point to talk about lying vs transparency. No matter how you characterize the communications, they have not been accurate.

The most recent announcement may be accurate, only time will tell. Regardless, the last few months stand in stark contrast to how the GB was pitched. In hindsight, a limited production run may have been warranted with a view towards a future round. Kudos to Plastik refunding people who want to move on. I also think extras will all find willing buyers judging by the initial response.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Timbersawdust on Mon, 14 December 2020, 15:07:17
I'm not a part of this at all but after reading this thread, I have sympathy for anyone who is dealing with these delays. While they are almost always unavoidable and somewhat expected at times, all Plastik has done in these comments is just defend himself and try to argue rather than provide updates.

For the sake of the community and anyone involved, I hope this turns around soon.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Tue, 15 December 2020, 04:57:08
Well, I have also joined the refund ranks. Like it has been said many times before, the problem has not been fully the delays and waiting. And besides, ease of manufacturing and the aggressive Q3 estimate was one of the primary selling points for a lot of people. Like others have said, the issue was saying that silence = no problems, only to be told on the month the boards were projected to be shipped that production hadn't even started. This was accompanied by a new Q4 'estimate', in order to be 'sure it would be delivered on time'.

2 more months passed, only for it to be announced that the status had not changed and that production hadn't even started. The main obstacle was still the same: plastik didn’t know how to store the keyboards. I understand that the logistics of running a GB are incredibly complicated, but something like this should have been thought out before the GB was run, or at least in the beginning stages post-payments. Not 2 months after boards were expected to be shipped. We all know that this year has been a **** show, and if plastik cited delays due to corona nobody would bat an eye. But, he explicitly stated that this had nothing to do with covid.

As far as the participants were concerned, until the most recent December update the expected shipping was still supposed to be Q4. Of course, most of us saw that this was totally unrealistic. Unsurprisingly, the boards are now expected to be produced by February. With QC and packaging, who knows when they will eventually be shipped - most likely not before April 2021. I have been confused by these aggressive timelines that plastik has set for himself. First 4 months for Q3 and then 3 months for Q4. Surely with his previous GB (which lasted around a year), he must have known that these were not tenable. Many of us have explained that, yes, the delays suck but are understandable. What is frustrating are unrealistically aggressive timelines, with communication gaps, only to be told right before the 'deadline' that no progress has been made and that there will be further delays. This is the process which many have said eroded participant's trust. If in the first delay update  he had said that he simply didn't know when boards would be shipped, or even said Q2 2021, most of us would probably understand and be okay with it.

Many people have justifiably complained, and some have done it overtly destructive and negative ways. But instead of recognizing how participants have felt throughout this process, plastik doubled down and increasingly reacted with his own hostility.  This included cancelling somebody's order, not being straight-forward about the reasons, and pretending that he would fix the 'mistake'. Only to never do so. I understand where his reaction comes from, but there were many other ways of going about this in a less passive-aggressive manner. Subsequent actions and updates have shown a lack of reflexivity and absolving of guilt on plastik's part. There is a shifting of blame onto participants, without acknowledging how he has contributed to the current dynamic.

Amidst all of this I am grateful to have been given a refund, which is not something Plastik needed to grant. It also seems that there are many participants that are quite happy with how things are progressing. I personally am happy to cut my losses and move on to other pastures. It does seem that with production starting at least there is movement, and there is now a new phase with this  GB. I hope plastik's new tactic of minimized updates works out for him, and wish everybody well in the rest of this GB.

Perfectly on point. Just mentioning delays at end time and mentioning a reason is not communicating. People have been asking for even minor updates, any photos, state of GB (which components are at which stage), how plastik plans to handle storage issues and what not. But plastic is extremely silent on those points. We did not even know that cases had not started production when pcb update was given. All of a sudden, plastic mentions that cases will go into production on X date and we are to forget that there was no progress on cases for so long. It feels like when next deadline would approach, he would just say, "screws are going into production next month and gb is delayed". We dont even know the status of other components or atleast they would not be cause of another delay. He should really learn from other GB's and other designers on keeping updated (even when there are no updates or delays). Informing that cases will go into production next year (after 6 months of GB start) is not communicating... Some examples


"I had been too open with personal information so far, like space search for example. From here on out I will no longer offer any more personal insight. Updates will be strictly HMKB case only, no personal context. The next updates will come when the PCBs and later cases and plates arrive, nothing else."

He doesnt even understand what people want when they say be more transparent. And being cocky on top of this is a dealbreaker. Sharing smaller updates E.G. "Cases have finished production and are in transit" only increases hype and builds a good environment and instead we get no more updates until they have arrived.


9/9/2020 - "Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview. "

No updates on this. Its been three months


Another one - "There will not be weekly updates. Maybe some of you would have hoped to get to know more details of the production process an about how a group buy like this is run. To that I respond that the group buy is about the product you receive and not meant as a learning experience about how to run a GB - I won't provide that. I doubt there ever has been a group buy that delivered updates on a weekly basis. "

He thinks that people are interested in updates because they are interested to learn how a group buy is run... Joining a gb to learn how a gb is run would be the least reason to join a gb


I haven't seen a kb gb where if you ask the designer "Hey, any updates on X" and they (or mods or discord members) answer or point you to an update that has your answer. Its the complete opposite here. You are not allowed to ask questions. Be at mercy of your holiness. Plastic has created all the problems for himself. I wish I had a refund asap option.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Mekberg on Mon, 11 January 2021, 06:33:07
So, LowSodiumGeekhack when?

Can we just be happy someone has taken the time to design, prototype and manufacture a super cool keyboard that none of us would otherwise even be able to buy? And that organising such a groupbuy, even with the best intentions, is harder than we can imagine?

I bought two keyboards knowing full well it would probably be delayed, and there would be no exact due date. I'm not inclined to ask for any refund whatsoever. I am patiently waiting for Plastik to run this process as best he can. So far, I can't think of a single thing he as "promised" me and broken, because he hasn't made promises, only expressed hopes and stated expectations. So... can we just chill?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Mon, 11 January 2021, 13:08:25
Its not just about delays. Re-read the comment again.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: zxer on Mon, 11 January 2021, 13:15:58
Link below for a build stream for a pre-prod unit last week;

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Mekberg on Wed, 13 January 2021, 05:51:15
Its not just about delays. Re-read the comment again.

I get that, but what's the point of harassing the GB runner for updates when there isn't any news. I'm not much on Discord either, so of course I would rather have updates here, but I'm still convinced that if there is news important enough for everyone to hear, everyone will hear it. He has my e-mail, he can send out a blast if it's truly urgent or important enough.

Basically, no news is good news. I expect delays and long wait times. That's the nature of this game. A keyboard not being delayed, now that's something that requires an update :)
Title: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Wed, 13 January 2021, 08:24:05
Its not just about delays. Re-read the comment again.

I get that, but what's the point of harassing the GB runner for updates when there isn't any news. I'm not much on Discord either, so of course I would rather have updates here, but I'm still convinced that if there is news important enough for everyone to hear, everyone will hear it. He has my e-mail, he can send out a blast if it's truly urgent or important enough.

Basically, no news is good news. I expect delays and long wait times. That's the nature of this game. A keyboard not being delayed, now that's something that requires an update :)
Consistency.

Even Rama realized that providing regular updates on a fixed schedule has value to customers. Even if there are no news, the fact that their update has nothing to say on _group buy x_ means this is intentional. This is an explicit “NO-OP” for customers saying that the group buy runner acknowledges that no further progress was made and is fine disclosing it because everything is going “according to a plan” or “otherwise”.

Essentially, making “no news update” forces the group buy runner to acknowledge the fact that nothing has changed and potentially get a ****storm in return from customers demanding to elaborate on the reasons. From GB runner standpoint it’s a bother. From the customer standpoint, this is called transparency.

Now for some group buys there are no updates for months and nobody complains. It can be either because customers trust the GB runner (previous group buys? runner is a famous community member?) or because it just so happened nobody started complaining.

Whatever is the case I recommend all GB runners to adopt a biweekly updates schedule. It makes sense and it helps with establishing trust. And if each update causes a ****storm there is always an option to ignore it completely or ban hammer on platforms that can be moderated.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 14 January 2021, 11:32:13
Basically, no news is good news.

Eh, no. The GB runner has established precisely the opposite through their handling thus far.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Fri, 15 January 2021, 01:08:16
Yeah, this one is not a usual GB where no news is good news. No news would mean he procrastinated and there would be another delay. Also I havent seen any gb where there are so few updates. GB runners share things like when things go into production, when machining is completed, some pics from factories, when things are in transit etc. There are no such updates here. Plastik is deliberately not sharing those. So no news complaints are more related to that
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 15 January 2021, 15:32:17
That's because he doesn't want to "educate us on how to run a gb"... right...??
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bball2 on Tue, 26 January 2021, 18:11:19
Any update? PCB? Cases?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Tue, 26 January 2021, 18:57:12
People in here asking for updates:

First time?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Timbersawdust on Tue, 26 January 2021, 19:12:21
People in here asking for updates:

First time?

Last update was almost 2 months ago. It isn't unreasonable to ask for them.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Tue, 26 January 2021, 20:18:26
People in here asking for updates:

First time?

Last update was almost 2 months ago. It isn't unreasonable to ask for them.
I know it isn't.

Just saying that OP has said it many times over the past year to not expect updates from him.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bball2 on Tue, 26 January 2021, 22:00:11
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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bball2 on Tue, 26 January 2021, 22:08:08
Edit: just read through the last few pages... editing out my previous comment.

I guess the group buy runner has made it pretty clear what he thinks about updates and deadlines.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 February 2021, 15:47:12
UPDATE - CASES ARRIVED

Sooo, it's KW5 now and guess what has arrived? YES, your cases! Took some pictures so you can get an impression of what ten pallets or 2.42 tons of heavy metal look like.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631501734346793/hmkb_delivery_01.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631537704566824/hmkb_delivery_02.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631578595098674/hmkb_delivery_03.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631640516395008/hmkb_delivery_04.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631660761120768/hmkb_delivery_05.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631686166282270/hmkb_delivery_06.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631704584257566/hmkb_delivery_07.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631753636642829/hmkb_delivery_08.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631783461290064/hmkb_delivery_09.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631806752260136/hmkb_delivery_10.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631829943091220/hmkb_delivery_11.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631848196833341/hmkb_delivery_12.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/806631865888669706/hmkb_delivery_13.jpg)

I'm usually not a big fan of the brass look in a keyboard case but damn those brass plates look nice. They were shining so bright, it felt like opening a treasure box full of gold :)

Next I will have to do quality control and count everything. The first few parts I randomly checked are all good, which is quite a relief for me. I assume I'll need about two weeks before I have checked everything. Worst case scenario would be that some parts will turn out not OK and will have to be redone - my initial checks don't suggest that. Best case scenario would be all parts are fine. Then the next step would be to prepare them for transportation so the parts can go to powder coating and galvanizing.

Btw, the PCBs have started their journey to Germany, just a few days ago. They should have been finished already in early December but I was told that due to a shortage of some components it would take longer - which was fine, since the cases weren't done at that point anyway. Interesting though, since this ties in with the general shortage of basically any kind of PC hardware atm. Looks like even simple keyboard PCBs are affected now.

Huge thanks goes out to all of you who have been patient and supportive. The biggest part is done now.

I'll be back here with the next update in two weeks, lets say Feb 18th.

---

Small addition to avoid confusion. This is all straight from the factory and nothing is coated or finished in any way. All raw metal. The steel case parts will go to powder coating, the stainless steel case parts (the foiled ones) will go to bead blasting, the steel plates will go to galvanizing (black zink) and the brass plates will go to bead blasting like the stainless steel case parts and after that to galvanizing black like the normal steel plates.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 February 2021, 15:49:58
ADDRESS CHANGES

A lot of you contact me regarding address changes, about two per week. Please don't feel worried that I don't reply to these messages. I had mentioned this before but I guess it's good to repeat it - before shipping starts (no, not imminent) I will ask to send me a mail in a certain format which I will prepare. Then I can hopefully automate this at least a bit.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Wed, 03 February 2021, 15:52:36
glad to see the boards are arriving and without issue
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Aldana on Wed, 03 February 2021, 15:57:55
Good news, thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Wed, 03 February 2021, 16:39:03
amazing, amazing. makes me happy :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Wed, 03 February 2021, 17:08:59
UPDATE - CASES ARRIVED

Sooo, it's KW5 now and guess what has arrived? YES, your cases! Took some pictures so you can get an impression of what ten pallets or 2.42 tons of heavy metal look like.

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I'm usually not a big fan of the brass look in a keyboard case but damn those brass plates look nice. They were shining so bright, it felt like opening a treasure box full of gold :)

Next I will have to do quality control and count everything. The first few parts I randomly checked are all good, which is quite a relief for me. I assume I'll need about two weeks before I have checked everything. Worst case scenario would be that some parts will turn out not OK and will have to be redone - my initial checks don't suggest that. Best case scenario would be all parts are fine. Then the next step would be to prepare them for transportation so the parts can go to powder coating and galvanizing.

Btw, the PCBs have started their journey to Germany, just a few days ago. They should have been finished already in early December but I was told that due to a shortage of some components it would take longer - which was fine, since the cases weren't done at that point anyway. Interesting though, since this ties in with the general shortage of basically any kind of PC hardware atm. Looks like even simple keyboard PCBs are affected now.

Huge thanks goes out to all of you who have been patient and supportive. The biggest part is done now.

I'll be back here with the next update in two weeks, lets say Feb 18th.

---

Small addition to avoid confusion. This is all straight from the factory and nothing is coated or finished in any way. All raw metal. The steel case parts will go to powder coating, the stainless steel case parts (the foiled ones) will go to bead blasting, the steel plates will go to galvanizing (black zink) and the brass plates will go to bead blasting like the stainless steel case parts and after that to galvanizing black like the normal steel plates.
Props for this
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: perry4761 on Wed, 03 February 2021, 17:17:21
Nice! Great update, can't wait to see the cases after the finishing process!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bball2 on Wed, 03 February 2021, 18:54:43
Awesome update, thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: sacklunch on Wed, 03 February 2021, 21:29:50
Can't believe I missed this one! If anyone has a 95 kit they want to sell email me! wagnern96@gmail.com
<3
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Hell-es on Thu, 04 February 2021, 12:28:18
Really stunning to see the sheer numbers ... damn how many plates are these  :eek:

The brass really looks nice - next round Bent Brass clear coated ;)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Fri, 05 February 2021, 07:17:08
Thanks for the update.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: saesh on Tue, 09 February 2021, 04:05:49
That is awesome news!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 18 February 2021, 11:58:02
UPDATE - QUALITY CONTROL

Over the last two weeks I spent my available time to go through the case parts and upgrading the warehouse with shelves. I was mentally prepared to find parts that are out of tolerance or faulty in some way and that their would be a certain amount of parts that would have to be remade. The more parts I got off the pallets and into the shelves the happier I got because I realized they are all good. Looks like I don't have to complain about anything which is a huge relief. Of course there are some damaged parts but the amount is so tiny that it isn't relevant at all. I was not expecting that.

Here are some pictures:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812013546828857364/HMKB_sorting_01.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812013652701741086/HMKB_sorting_02.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812013700587978793/HMKB_sorting_03.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812013758808326204/HMKB_sorting_04.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812013783827873842/HMKB_sorting_05.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812013805382664252/HMKB_sorting_06.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 18 February 2021, 12:00:40
UPDATE - PCBS ARRIVED

20 boxes from china have arrived. The PCBs look very nice. I tested a few with a keytester - all work as expected. Nothing special to report here.

Production PCB pictures:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812014232370544640/HMKB_PCBS_01.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812014258438144030/HMKB_PCBS_02.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/812014280773074964/HMKB_PCBS_03.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 18 February 2021, 12:02:17
NEXT

Next up is powder coating. I hope I will be able to transport the first batch of case parts to the company that does the powder coating next week. First all of one color, after that the next color batch. In two weeks from now I should be able to tell when I will have the last batch back from powder coating. So next update is expected March 4.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: zxer on Thu, 18 February 2021, 13:38:37
Nice!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: norb on Thu, 18 February 2021, 14:21:42
Nice.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Gepriester on Thu, 18 February 2021, 18:25:17
Nice to hear, keep it up!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: saesh on Sun, 21 February 2021, 02:50:04
 :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Mekberg on Mon, 22 February 2021, 07:49:58
Seeing those pictures, I hope everyone who loudly and angrily dismissed concerns about storage space take a second to think about their words. Obviously it's no simple thing to receive that amount (and weight) of product and then distribute it to hundreds of customers. I have nothing but respect for you for taking this project on, and seeing it through.

Amazing job!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Aevyn on Wed, 24 February 2021, 11:20:03


Seeing those pictures, I hope everyone who loudly and angrily dismissed concerns about storage space take a second to think about their words. Obviously it's no simple thing to receive that amount (and weight) of product and then distribute it to hundreds of customers. I have nothing but respect for you for taking this project on, and seeing it through.

Amazing job!  :thumb:

I believe the problem was more like OP sat on the money for months before getting a warehouse or ordering parts.

Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Saga on Wed, 03 March 2021, 18:05:25
I've reached out to you both here by DMs and by email, mainly because I'm interested in giving you more money assuming things are working out but it's been like three weeks and I'm sort of veering into camp spooked-by-how-this-is-getting-handled?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: zxer on Wed, 03 March 2021, 18:14:27
I understand extras are going to be made available post shipping of the original orders. If that is what you are after?
It is clear in the last update that the next step is to take batches for powder coating. The first batch of which is due to get started on this week I think.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 03 March 2021, 20:00:36
NEXT

Next up is powder coating. I hope I will be able to transport the first batch of case parts to the company that does the powder coating next week. First all of one color, after that the next color batch. In two weeks from now I should be able to tell when I will have the last batch back from powder coating. So next update is expected March 4.

I've reached out to you both here by DMs and by email, mainly because I'm interested in giving you more money assuming things are working out but it's been like three weeks and I'm sort of veering into camp spooked-by-how-this-is-getting-handled?

or realize plastik indicated next update will be (around) 4 march
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 05 March 2021, 08:51:42
UPDATE - POWDER COATING

The first batch of the case parts is delivered to powder coating. This batch (color = batch) is expected to be ready for pick up in KW11, about two weeks from now. The following batches will not wait until the previous batch is ready, they will all be transported to powder coating over the course of the next two weeks. The last batch should be finished in KW14. I will post pictures when I get the first batch, so the next update is expected in KW11.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bliss on Fri, 05 March 2021, 13:49:50
^ cool, thanks for keeping us posted!

 - switches, stabs, keycaps are ready and eagerly await their new 'home' :D

Keep it up! :thumb: Massig Respekt!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Fri, 05 March 2021, 15:05:46
UPDATE - POWDER COATING

The first batch of the case parts is delivered to powder coating. This batch (color = batch) is expected to be ready for pick up in KW11, about two weeks from now. The following batches will not wait until the previous batch is ready, they will all be transported to powder coating over the course of the next two weeks. The last batch should be finished in KW14. I will post pictures when I get the first batch, so the next update is expected in KW11.
Thanks for an update!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 06 March 2021, 04:50:03
*sigh* it's sad to even need to post this but here's a summary of the group buy timeline.
TL;DR: We've now shifted from a confident Q3 2020 delivery to a last minute confident Q4 to now realistically no sooner than Q2 2021.
The new strategy seems to be to trickle-feed minor updates with only 'next step' visibility.
I'll keep to quoting official responses from here without additional commentary and let you evaluate for yourself.

HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDSTimeline

I assume a sufficient amount orders will be reached after one month. Order should be placed in the following month. Production should take at least two months, four months at max. Then the shipping starts and it will take at least one more month until the last package will be shipped.

Expected shipping Q3 2020

there will be extras available for sure. with this high quantity I have to order quite a few more as backup. those will be made available after GB has shipped, some time after september.

UPDATE:
- group buy orders slightly over 1100
- expected shipping late Q3 / September

Regarding communication:
I will only post here on Geekhack when either a definitive shipping date is set or when a delay should happen. Anything else will be on the discord.

Yes, no news. This was asked a few times on discord recently as well. Still, late Q3/September is my estimate for shipping, nothing has changed in that regard.
Basically when you don't see me post an update, then that's good. If I were to update anything now then it will either be about delay or shipping start.

is this still scheduled to ship this month?

Next week I should be able to be more specific about the timeline ahead.
Shorter: update next week.

Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview to streamers

I really wish he would start proving more frequent updates. Order was finalized, Boards entered production and seems they (some of them?) finished and are with runner but he didnt share a single update. All we got is this delay message after 3 and half months. I would request runner to be more transparent.

Sure, it's unfortunate that I had to announce a delay but keep in mind that the overall GB schedule was quite ambitious to begin with, afaik most GBs usually take longer. Could have been easier for me now if I had just set a later shipping time to begin with. Though I think it is overall better for the GB this way because if I really had given me more time, maybe I would have progressed slower which would have lead to a delay as well.

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

exactly, had told this a few times on the discord already but it keeps drowning in the noise which is caused by a handfull of people. PCBs are in production. the "some parts" is just plates at surface treatment which will go to builders/streamers.

the alarming and negative picture that some try to paint of this group buy is really unsettling to me. I had explained in the update section what has been taking time so far and had furthermore mentioned the simple reasons that block the further progress. the pcbs require less space, no further handling and don't need to be checked before being passed on for surface treatment, that's why they are already in production. in hindsight the very optimistic Q3 timeframe wasn't a good idea, still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys.

Cases and plates are now in production as well. They are estimated to arrive in KW5 of 2021. That is the first week of February 2021. This also means that Q4 can't be met any more.
Some time before the cases arrive, the last batch of preview units will be sent out to streamers.
I had been too open with personal information so far, like space search for example. From here on out I will no longer offer any more personal insight. Updates will be strictly HMKB case only, no personal context. The next updates will come when the PCBs and later cases and plates arrive, nothing else.

Allegations:

1. lying about case production
2. changing deadlines
3. no transparency/communication

Answers:

1. Untrue. The first update in which I announced that the cases are in production was in the last update. In an earlier update, I announced that PCB production had started. You maybe confuse something with production of pre production units or earlier prototypes.

2. Untrue. I have never ever set any deadline. I have only given estimates.

3. IMO, I had shared quite detailed what caused the delay. I had also detailed why I chose to limit further insights going forward.

Next up is powder coating. I hope I will be able to transport the first batch of case parts to the company that does the powder coating next week. First all of one color, after that the next color batch. In two weeks from now I should be able to tell when I will have the last batch back from powder coating. So next update is expected March 4.

The first batch of the case parts is delivered to powder coating. This batch (color = batch) is expected to be ready for pick up in KW11, about two weeks from now. The following batches will not wait until the previous batch is ready, they will all be transported to powder coating over the course of the next two weeks. The last batch should be finished in KW14. I will post pictures when I get the first batch, so the next update is expected in KW11.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 06 March 2021, 09:18:26
I'll keep to quoting official responses from here without additional commentary and let you evaluate for yourself.

Didn't read
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 06 March 2021, 09:39:49
to/dr: behind on original schedule and some people are frustrated, but there’s evidence production is happening and keebs will be shipped.

in other news, dog bites man and bears sh*t in woods...  :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: t0p on Sat, 06 March 2021, 14:50:41
to/dr: behind on original schedule and some people are frustrated, but there’s evidence production is happening and keebs will be shipped.

in other news, dog bites man and bears sh*t in woods...  :D

^This

Last year was rough for everybody. Thank you Plastic for continuing to see this through. We all should know that we are promised nothing by entering a group buy.

Plastic,, ignore the naysayers and keep at it. Thank you for the updates, and I appreciate your efforts.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: perry4761 on Sun, 07 March 2021, 15:08:03
*sigh* it's sad to even need to post this but here's a summary of the group buy timeline.
TL;DR: We've now shifted from a confident Q3 2020 delivery to a last minute confident Q4 to now realistically no sooner than Q2 2021.
The new strategy seems to be to trickle-feed minor updates with only 'next step' visibility.
I'll keep to quoting official responses from here without additional commentary and let you evaluate for yourself.

HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDSTimeline

I assume a sufficient amount orders will be reached after one month. Order should be placed in the following month. Production should take at least two months, four months at max. Then the shipping starts and it will take at least one more month until the last package will be shipped.

Expected shipping Q3 2020

there will be extras available for sure. with this high quantity I have to order quite a few more as backup. those will be made available after GB has shipped, some time after september.

UPDATE:
- group buy orders slightly over 1100
- expected shipping late Q3 / September

Regarding communication:
I will only post here on Geekhack when either a definitive shipping date is set or when a delay should happen. Anything else will be on the discord.

Yes, no news. This was asked a few times on discord recently as well. Still, late Q3/September is my estimate for shipping, nothing has changed in that regard.
Basically when you don't see me post an update, then that's good. If I were to update anything now then it will either be about delay or shipping start.

is this still scheduled to ship this month?

Next week I should be able to be more specific about the timeline ahead.
Shorter: update next week.

Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview to streamers

I really wish he would start proving more frequent updates. Order was finalized, Boards entered production and seems they (some of them?) finished and are with runner but he didnt share a single update. All we got is this delay message after 3 and half months. I would request runner to be more transparent.

Sure, it's unfortunate that I had to announce a delay but keep in mind that the overall GB schedule was quite ambitious to begin with, afaik most GBs usually take longer. Could have been easier for me now if I had just set a later shipping time to begin with. Though I think it is overall better for the GB this way because if I really had given me more time, maybe I would have progressed slower which would have lead to a delay as well.

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

exactly, had told this a few times on the discord already but it keeps drowning in the noise which is caused by a handfull of people. PCBs are in production. the "some parts" is just plates at surface treatment which will go to builders/streamers.

the alarming and negative picture that some try to paint of this group buy is really unsettling to me. I had explained in the update section what has been taking time so far and had furthermore mentioned the simple reasons that block the further progress. the pcbs require less space, no further handling and don't need to be checked before being passed on for surface treatment, that's why they are already in production. in hindsight the very optimistic Q3 timeframe wasn't a good idea, still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys.

Cases and plates are now in production as well. They are estimated to arrive in KW5 of 2021. That is the first week of February 2021. This also means that Q4 can't be met any more.
Some time before the cases arrive, the last batch of preview units will be sent out to streamers.
I had been too open with personal information so far, like space search for example. From here on out I will no longer offer any more personal insight. Updates will be strictly HMKB case only, no personal context. The next updates will come when the PCBs and later cases and plates arrive, nothing else.

Allegations:

1. lying about case production
2. changing deadlines
3. no transparency/communication

Answers:

1. Untrue. The first update in which I announced that the cases are in production was in the last update. In an earlier update, I announced that PCB production had started. You maybe confuse something with production of pre production units or earlier prototypes.

2. Untrue. I have never ever set any deadline. I have only given estimates.

3. IMO, I had shared quite detailed what caused the delay. I had also detailed why I chose to limit further insights going forward.

Next up is powder coating. I hope I will be able to transport the first batch of case parts to the company that does the powder coating next week. First all of one color, after that the next color batch. In two weeks from now I should be able to tell when I will have the last batch back from powder coating. So next update is expected March 4.

The first batch of the case parts is delivered to powder coating. This batch (color = batch) is expected to be ready for pick up in KW11, about two weeks from now. The following batches will not wait until the previous batch is ready, they will all be transported to powder coating over the course of the next two weeks. The last batch should be finished in KW14. I will post pictures when I get the first batch, so the next update is expected in KW11.
The year is 2035. The HMKB finished shipping 14 years ago, but some people are still complaining about the 9 month delay thar occurred.

Seriously dude. What Plastik is doing right now in terms of updates and being productive if exactly what we’ve been asking for when things were lingering and we were given no information.

Things were weird last year, but since January everything has beem progressing smoothly and we finally have the updates we’ve been asking for. The only thing that could make this better is if everything that’s happening right now happened 6 months ago. He’s already been called out by pretty much everyone for his procrastination, he has since learned from his mistakes and it’s clear that he is now working hard to make sur the boards get shipped to us as soon as possible.

Sure he hasn’t dealt with critique as graciously as he could have, but that’s understandable when you know how vile some of the messages towards him have been.

At this point, continuing to complain when everything is progressing at a good pace and we are given good amounts of information is childish, counterproductive, gratuitous, and achieves nothing besides showing everyone your feelings of entitlement.

What more do you want? Daily vlogs?

Mistakes have been made, promises have been broken, and it’s okay to be frustrated about that. However, that was a while ago, and no such thing has happened in the last few weeks, quite the opposite. No amount of complaints will change the past. Why keep piling on now of all times, when things are finally looking up? Is it that hard to just be happy about the recent progress and about the shipping date approaching? How long are you going to hold that grudge?

Get over it. **** happened, the mess is being cleaned up. I’m giving you and everyone else permission to evict Plastik, he’s been living rent free in a lot of people’s head for long enough.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AJPlus on Sun, 07 March 2021, 15:13:23
oof always a fan of the hefty boys
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sun, 07 March 2021, 15:38:19
*sigh* it's sad to even need to post this but here's a summary of the group buy timeline.
TL;DR: We've now shifted from a confident Q3 2020 delivery to a last minute confident Q4 to now realistically no sooner than Q2 2021.
The new strategy seems to be to trickle-feed minor updates with only 'next step' visibility.
I'll keep to quoting official responses from here without additional commentary and let you evaluate for yourself.

HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDSTimeline

I assume a sufficient amount orders will be reached after one month. Order should be placed in the following month. Production should take at least two months, four months at max. Then the shipping starts and it will take at least one more month until the last package will be shipped.

Expected shipping Q3 2020

there will be extras available for sure. with this high quantity I have to order quite a few more as backup. those will be made available after GB has shipped, some time after september.

UPDATE:
- group buy orders slightly over 1100
- expected shipping late Q3 / September

Regarding communication:
I will only post here on Geekhack when either a definitive shipping date is set or when a delay should happen. Anything else will be on the discord.

Yes, no news. This was asked a few times on discord recently as well. Still, late Q3/September is my estimate for shipping, nothing has changed in that regard.
Basically when you don't see me post an update, then that's good. If I were to update anything now then it will either be about delay or shipping start.

is this still scheduled to ship this month?

Next week I should be able to be more specific about the timeline ahead.
Shorter: update next week.

Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview to streamers

I really wish he would start proving more frequent updates. Order was finalized, Boards entered production and seems they (some of them?) finished and are with runner but he didnt share a single update. All we got is this delay message after 3 and half months. I would request runner to be more transparent.

Sure, it's unfortunate that I had to announce a delay but keep in mind that the overall GB schedule was quite ambitious to begin with, afaik most GBs usually take longer. Could have been easier for me now if I had just set a later shipping time to begin with. Though I think it is overall better for the GB this way because if I really had given me more time, maybe I would have progressed slower which would have lead to a delay as well.

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

exactly, had told this a few times on the discord already but it keeps drowning in the noise which is caused by a handfull of people. PCBs are in production. the "some parts" is just plates at surface treatment which will go to builders/streamers.

the alarming and negative picture that some try to paint of this group buy is really unsettling to me. I had explained in the update section what has been taking time so far and had furthermore mentioned the simple reasons that block the further progress. the pcbs require less space, no further handling and don't need to be checked before being passed on for surface treatment, that's why they are already in production. in hindsight the very optimistic Q3 timeframe wasn't a good idea, still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys.

Cases and plates are now in production as well. They are estimated to arrive in KW5 of 2021. That is the first week of February 2021. This also means that Q4 can't be met any more.
Some time before the cases arrive, the last batch of preview units will be sent out to streamers.
I had been too open with personal information so far, like space search for example. From here on out I will no longer offer any more personal insight. Updates will be strictly HMKB case only, no personal context. The next updates will come when the PCBs and later cases and plates arrive, nothing else.

Allegations:

1. lying about case production
2. changing deadlines
3. no transparency/communication

Answers:

1. Untrue. The first update in which I announced that the cases are in production was in the last update. In an earlier update, I announced that PCB production had started. You maybe confuse something with production of pre production units or earlier prototypes.

2. Untrue. I have never ever set any deadline. I have only given estimates.

3. IMO, I had shared quite detailed what caused the delay. I had also detailed why I chose to limit further insights going forward.

Next up is powder coating. I hope I will be able to transport the first batch of case parts to the company that does the powder coating next week. First all of one color, after that the next color batch. In two weeks from now I should be able to tell when I will have the last batch back from powder coating. So next update is expected March 4.

The first batch of the case parts is delivered to powder coating. This batch (color = batch) is expected to be ready for pick up in KW11, about two weeks from now. The following batches will not wait until the previous batch is ready, they will all be transported to powder coating over the course of the next two weeks. The last batch should be finished in KW14. I will post pictures when I get the first batch, so the next update is expected in KW11.

I'm not sure why you're posting this. yes, lots of delays, but this has hit almost every single GB in 2020.  If we did these types of threads on all the KAT sets, they would each be an individual novel (or not, since we're not getting much from keyreative anyways). 

might make more sense to do these types of posts on actual failed GB's, but this is not one of those situations where the GB runner is gonna take off with the money.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: zxer on Sun, 07 March 2021, 15:50:47
*sigh* it's sad to even need to post this but here's a summary of the group buy timeline.
TL;DR: We've now shifted from a confident Q3 2020 delivery to a last minute confident Q4 to now realistically no sooner than Q2 2021.
The new strategy seems to be to trickle-feed minor updates with only 'next step' visibility.
I'll keep to quoting official responses from here without additional commentary and let you evaluate for yourself.

HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDSTimeline

I assume a sufficient amount orders will be reached after one month. Order should be placed in the following month. Production should take at least two months, four months at max. Then the shipping starts and it will take at least one more month until the last package will be shipped.

Expected shipping Q3 2020

there will be extras available for sure. with this high quantity I have to order quite a few more as backup. those will be made available after GB has shipped, some time after september.

UPDATE:
- group buy orders slightly over 1100
- expected shipping late Q3 / September

Regarding communication:
I will only post here on Geekhack when either a definitive shipping date is set or when a delay should happen. Anything else will be on the discord.

Yes, no news. This was asked a few times on discord recently as well. Still, late Q3/September is my estimate for shipping, nothing has changed in that regard.
Basically when you don't see me post an update, then that's good. If I were to update anything now then it will either be about delay or shipping start.

is this still scheduled to ship this month?

Next week I should be able to be more specific about the timeline ahead.
Shorter: update next week.

Even when I have the major case parts delivered, stuff like c-parts (for example screws and standoffs), packaging and the fulfillment itself can take quite some more time. At the moment it's still not possible for me to exactly tell a shipping date. For now let's just say Q4 - that way I'm sure I can deliver in time. Since I have some more pre production units now, I'll send some of them out for further preview to streamers

I really wish he would start proving more frequent updates. Order was finalized, Boards entered production and seems they (some of them?) finished and are with runner but he didnt share a single update. All we got is this delay message after 3 and half months. I would request runner to be more transparent.

Sure, it's unfortunate that I had to announce a delay but keep in mind that the overall GB schedule was quite ambitious to begin with, afaik most GBs usually take longer. Could have been easier for me now if I had just set a later shipping time to begin with. Though I think it is overall better for the GB this way because if I really had given me more time, maybe I would have progressed slower which would have lead to a delay as well.

Currently the obstacle which holds off the progress of this group buy is getting a suitable space for all the parts, qc, packing and shipping.
So far this is an issue that I had not imagined would turn out to be that problematic and I still don't have a solution for this. Currently I have two options in sight and hopefully I will get a positive answer in about two weeks from now. I'm very optimistic that at least one of the options will work out.

exactly, had told this a few times on the discord already but it keeps drowning in the noise which is caused by a handfull of people. PCBs are in production. the "some parts" is just plates at surface treatment which will go to builders/streamers.

the alarming and negative picture that some try to paint of this group buy is really unsettling to me. I had explained in the update section what has been taking time so far and had furthermore mentioned the simple reasons that block the further progress. the pcbs require less space, no further handling and don't need to be checked before being passed on for surface treatment, that's why they are already in production. in hindsight the very optimistic Q3 timeframe wasn't a good idea, still we are within an absolutely usual timeframe compared to other group buys.

Cases and plates are now in production as well. They are estimated to arrive in KW5 of 2021. That is the first week of February 2021. This also means that Q4 can't be met any more.
Some time before the cases arrive, the last batch of preview units will be sent out to streamers.
I had been too open with personal information so far, like space search for example. From here on out I will no longer offer any more personal insight. Updates will be strictly HMKB case only, no personal context. The next updates will come when the PCBs and later cases and plates arrive, nothing else.

Allegations:

1. lying about case production
2. changing deadlines
3. no transparency/communication

Answers:

1. Untrue. The first update in which I announced that the cases are in production was in the last update. In an earlier update, I announced that PCB production had started. You maybe confuse something with production of pre production units or earlier prototypes.

2. Untrue. I have never ever set any deadline. I have only given estimates.

3. IMO, I had shared quite detailed what caused the delay. I had also detailed why I chose to limit further insights going forward.

Next up is powder coating. I hope I will be able to transport the first batch of case parts to the company that does the powder coating next week. First all of one color, after that the next color batch. In two weeks from now I should be able to tell when I will have the last batch back from powder coating. So next update is expected March 4.

The first batch of the case parts is delivered to powder coating. This batch (color = batch) is expected to be ready for pick up in KW11, about two weeks from now. The following batches will not wait until the previous batch is ready, they will all be transported to powder coating over the course of the next two weeks. The last batch should be finished in KW14. I will post pictures when I get the first batch, so the next update is expected in KW11.

This post reads like you are trying to create drama?

This particular group buy has been progressing positively for a while now. Yes there were issues with delay last year, but that is old news and pointless to bring back up now.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Saga on Tue, 09 March 2021, 14:34:18
or realize plastik indicated next update will be (around) 4 march

I had a specific question about changing the colour I ordered before the painting step occurred, and failing that expressed an interest in just buying a second one of another colour if there were spares. I'm not trying to be demanding and I've been one of the people just sitting back and accepting that 2020 makes things hard for everyone, but I'm pretty underwhelmed right now.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: zxer on Wed, 10 March 2021, 07:59:56
or realize plastik indicated next update will be (around) 4 march

I had a specific question about changing the colour I ordered before the painting step occurred, and failing that expressed an interest in just buying a second one of another colour if there were spares. I'm not trying to be demanding and I've been one of the people just sitting back and accepting that 2020 makes things hard for everyone, but I'm pretty underwhelmed right now.

Underwhelmed by what exactly?

If you are interested in buying from the extras then the process for doing so will be after the group buy orders are all fulfilled.

If you want to change the colour then you can drop an email but Plastik has already said that dealing with address / order changes is something he is going to do after production is finished.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:53:39
UPDATE - POWDER COATING RAL7039

I got back the first batch from powder coating. This is RAL7039 which is also the smallest batch. Some time next week (KW12) the second batch, which is RAL1013, should be finished and ready to be picked up. Overall powder coating advances a bit slower than expected. Not quite sure if all colors will be done by KW14, will see when we get closer. Here are some photos of the finished case parts in RAL7039:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091452053979136/HMKB-RAL7039_001.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091479631265812/HMKB-RAL7039_002.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091558190579722/HMKB-RAL7039_005.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091584853770280/HMKB-RAL7039_006.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091611873476618/HMKB-RAL7039_007.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091640792547368/HMKB-RAL7039_008.JPG)

If all goes well, I should be able to show you photos of the RAL1013 batch by the end of next week (KW12), if not then the week after (KW13). Till then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: zxer on Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:01:00
good stuff
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 20 March 2021, 05:42:12
UPDATE - POWDER COATING RAL7039

I got back the first batch from powder coating. This is RAL7039 which is also the smallest batch. Some time next week (KW12) the second batch, which is RAL1013, should be finished and ready to be picked up. Overall powder coating advances a bit slower than expected. Not quite sure if all colors will be done by KW14, will see when we get closer. Here are some photos of the finished case parts in RAL7039:

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091452053979136/HMKB-RAL7039_001.JPG)
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091479631265812/HMKB-RAL7039_002.JPG)
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091558190579722/HMKB-RAL7039_005.JPG)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091584853770280/HMKB-RAL7039_006.JPG)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091611873476618/HMKB-RAL7039_007.JPG)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/822091640792547368/HMKB-RAL7039_008.JPG)


If all goes well, I should be able to show you photos of the RAL1013 batch by the end of next week (KW12), if not then the week after (KW13). Till then.
Thanks for an update!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Mark The Weeb on Sun, 21 March 2021, 21:32:00
i love the yellow one
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: bullmoos211 on Wed, 31 March 2021, 07:53:13
So far impressed with the results, looks professional to me. Don't know how people left this group buy thinking it ghosted. PlastikSchnittstelle actually gave updates whenever he could. For anyone who wants to see what a ghosted group buy actually looks like, I can personally attest to this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106738.0
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 31 March 2021, 09:29:58
UPDATE - POWDER COATING RAL1013

I got the second batch, aka RAL1013 back from powder coating. The next batch is yellow / RAL 1023. It will be ready to pick up in KW14 earliest. So as already noticed in the last update, powder coating advances slower than expected. All colors won't be done by KW14. At the current speed I estimate it to be more like KW17.
The indoor pictures look terrible due to the fluorescent light tubes (first four pictures). Took one box outiside for pictures under natural light (last two pictures):

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/826823433467068466/HMKB-RAL1013_001.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/826823460889559050/HMKB-RAL1013_002.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/826823490271313921/HMKB-RAL1013_003.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/826823514970390548/HMKB-RAL1013_004.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/826823540405043240/HMKB-RAL1013_005.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/826823566728101888/HMKB-RAL1013_006.JPG)

Next will be photos of RAL1023, hopefully in KW14, if not then the week after (KW15). Till then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 31 March 2021, 09:36:06
photos look really good. nice work  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: KZzzz on Thu, 01 April 2021, 21:47:10
Glad to see these frequent updates.

I know some of us can be impatient with delays and frustrated by this GB early on, but immediately dismissing any of Plastik's attempts at communication is quite a rash thing to do. No matter how discontent you are with how Plastik handled the GB, you have to respect the transparency that we are getting, and be grateful that he is trying to improve things. We don't need people who are no longer involved *cough cough* nathanchere *cough cough* analyzing Plastik's every word and criticize his project management skills, trying to persuade an imaginary crowd of a self-righteous narrative.

[Insert obligatory "why don't you run a GB yourself like you run that mouth of yours" argument here.]

What we now know is that things are moving forward and boards are getting made, and that's fine by me.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 22 April 2021, 08:31:22
UPDATE - POWDER COATING RAL1023

Got the third batch aka yellow today. This took one week longer than expected, sorry for that, was due to the easter holidays in between. It was quite a big batch. Took the pictures just now on arrival, sunlight, unedited colors:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/834775757116670002/HMKB-RAL1023_001.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/834775789350158376/HMKB-RAL1023_002.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/834775822027194398/HMKB-RAL1023_003.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/834775848182874183/HMKB-RAL1023_004.JPG)

The next batch is black / RAL 9005 an that one will be the biggest. A conservative estimate for it to be ready is KW19.
Till then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: norb on Thu, 22 April 2021, 11:31:42
bees hate this trick!

SS will come after ral 9005? or are they worked on parallel?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: WaS on Thu, 22 April 2021, 17:35:33
Really nice idea!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: steezkeez on Thu, 22 April 2021, 17:50:48
really appreciate the consistent updates, can't wait to receive my black tkl!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Thu, 22 April 2021, 18:58:45
ooo both colors are amazing!

Love the cream color. How does powder coat different from e-coat? From what I understand, powder coat = thicker, but more durable.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 23 April 2021, 04:30:34
How does powder coat different from e-coat?

I didn't really know how e coating works so I googled a bit. Here are two arcticles that point out the differences between the two processes and the advantages each has:
Link 1 (https://www.tomburn.com/case-study/5ca35901afee2/Ecoating-vs-powder-coating-whats-the-difference)
Link 2 (https://www.membracon.co.uk/blog/e-coating-vs-powder-coating-whats-the-difference/)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:37:01
UPDATE - POWDER COATING RAL9005

Yesterday I picked up the last few boxes from the black / RAL9005 batch. So the powder coating is completed now. Happy another big milestone is reached.

First pictures from yesterday evening with poor lighting, taken by phone:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363344017063986/HMKB-RAL9005_A01.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363378335645726/HMKB-RAL9005_A02.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363411205488660/HMKB-RAL9005_A03.jpg)

And here are pictures from today under better lighting conditions, taken by DSLR:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363537358618721/HMKB-RAL9005_B01.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363568689545256/HMKB-RAL9005_B02.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363596783517696/HMKB-RAL9005_B03.JPG)

In about one week from now I should be able to be more specific about the upcoming bead blasting process of the stainless steel cases and the brass plates.
Till then.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 21 May 2021, 13:51:07
wtf i thought this gb was supposed to be a disaster??????? redditors and meme youtubers lied!!!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 21 May 2021, 14:12:50
wtf i thought this gb was supposed to be a disaster??????? redditors and meme youtubers lied!!!

well, in terms of timeline I have to admit that it turns out way worse that I had imagined, so in that respect I'm totally not mad if someone calls it a disaster and I'm truly sorry for that.

in terms of the actual product/keyboard itself though, I'm absolutely happy and relieved. there was soo much that could have gone wrong but the extra time I spent making sure it turns out the way I planned, proved to be time well spent. there is still a lot of work to do until all have the board in their hands but the most important thing so far ist that production itself was a success.

after all is delivered, I will shed some more light on one major obstacle. I think this will help to understand most of the delay. this story will be told later.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: 1391401 on Fri, 21 May 2021, 14:52:44
ignore the haters.  people big dumb.  thanks for the time and attention.  excited. 
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 22 May 2021, 06:20:46
UPDATE - POWDER COATING RAL9005

Yesterday I picked up the last few boxes from the black / RAL9005 batch. So the powder coating is completed now. Happy another big milestone is reached.

First pictures from yesterday evening with poor lighting, taken by phone:

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363344017063986/HMKB-RAL9005_A01.jpg)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363378335645726/HMKB-RAL9005_A02.jpg)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363411205488660/HMKB-RAL9005_A03.jpg)


And here are pictures from today under better lighting conditions, taken by DSLR:

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363537358618721/HMKB-RAL9005_B01.JPG)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363568689545256/HMKB-RAL9005_B02.JPG)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363596783517696/HMKB-RAL9005_B03.JPG)


In about one week from now I should be able to be more specific about the upcoming bead blasting process of the stainless steel cases and the brass plates.
Till then.
Yay ^_^

Thanks for an update!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: norb on Sat, 22 May 2021, 09:31:08
bro i hope you'll get some help with logistics after all production is finished. else it will take another year to pack and ship all that metal :eek:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Sat, 22 May 2021, 10:28:59
There are some amazing photos in this thread! Like my SKB, thinking I should have bought another, looks great
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: scie on Mon, 24 May 2021, 10:52:45
Will you run a second batch after this one (or  or are those obstacles enough for your life? :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 24 May 2021, 11:47:46
There's going to be plenty of extras.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Sat, 29 May 2021, 09:50:29
UPDATE - POWDER COATING RAL9005

Yesterday I picked up the last few boxes from the black / RAL9005 batch. So the powder coating is completed now. Happy another big milestone is reached.

First pictures from yesterday evening with poor lighting, taken by phone:

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363344017063986/HMKB-RAL9005_A01.jpg)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363378335645726/HMKB-RAL9005_A02.jpg)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363411205488660/HMKB-RAL9005_A03.jpg)


And here are pictures from today under better lighting conditions, taken by DSLR:

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363537358618721/HMKB-RAL9005_B01.JPG)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363568689545256/HMKB-RAL9005_B02.JPG)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/845363596783517696/HMKB-RAL9005_B03.JPG)


In about one week from now I should be able to be more specific about the upcoming bead blasting process of the stainless steel cases and the brass plates.
Till then.
I can see mine! jk. Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 09 June 2021, 14:07:14
UPDATE - mild distractions

Sorry this update took me a bit longer than expected because I had to take care of other things. The last few weeks would just not allow me to advance with the outstanding group buy tasks. Additionally I'll be on a planned vacation for two weeks, starting on Saturday. Very sorry this update does not provide any pictures of progress. When I get back I'll resume as planned asap.

Before someone complains about no group buy advancement in this update, I want to mention that I had two options here:
a) let you know that for a certain period, other things have priority over the group buy
b) be silent

I thought a) would be the better choice.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: catbus on Wed, 09 June 2021, 14:13:20
UPDATE - mild distractions

Sorry this update took me a bit longer than expected because I had to take care of other things. The last few weeks would just not allow me to advance with the outstanding group buy tasks. Additionally I'll be on a planned vacation for two weeks, starting on Saturday. Very sorry this update does not provide any pictures of progress. When I get back I'll resume as planned asap.

Before someone complains about no group buy advancement in this update, I want to mention that I had two options here:
a) let you know that for a certain period, other things have priority over the group buy
b) be silent

I thought a) would be the better choice.
A is definitely the better choice. Thank you for keeping us in the loop and enjoy your vacation!

:)

Sent from my SM-G965W using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: kajahtaa on Wed, 09 June 2021, 14:25:55
Have a good rest.

See you in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Wed, 09 June 2021, 14:40:27
UPDATE - mild distractions

Sorry this update took me a bit longer than expected because I had to take care of other things. The last few weeks would just not allow me to advance with the outstanding group buy tasks. Additionally I'll be on a planned vacation for two weeks, starting on Saturday. Very sorry this update does not provide any pictures of progress. When I get back I'll resume as planned asap.

Before someone complains about no group buy advancement in this update, I want to mention that I had two options here:
a) let you know that for a certain period, other things have priority over the group buy
b) be silent

I thought a) would be the better choice.
Enjoy your vacation and thanks for letting us know! Do appreciate it :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Shell058 on Wed, 30 June 2021, 04:49:10
UPDATE - mild distractions

Sorry this update took me a bit longer than expected because I had to take care of other things. The last few weeks would just not allow me to advance with the outstanding group buy tasks. Additionally I'll be on a planned vacation for two weeks, starting on Saturday. Very sorry this update does not provide any pictures of progress. When I get back I'll resume as planned asap.

Before someone complains about no group buy advancement in this update, I want to mention that I had two options here:
a) let you know that for a certain period, other things have priority over the group buy
b) be silent

I thought a) would be the better choice.

Thank you for letting us know! I wanted to check what would be the best way to update my shipping address, as I'll be moving in the next couple weeks and want to make sure I still receive my board.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Liub on Wed, 30 June 2021, 05:32:21
Thank you for letting us know! I wanted to check what would be the best way to update my shipping address, as I'll be moving in the next couple weeks and want to make sure I still receive my board.

Plastik will send out notification when he is ready to accept shipping address changes!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 08 July 2021, 12:08:25
UPDATE - GALVANIZING

The steel parts are prepared for transportation. They will be transported to the factory that does the galvanizing, tomorrow. They are expected to be finished in two weeks from now.

Clarification because some asked about the order of bead blasting and galvanizing:
- the steel parts (steel plates and case feet) don't get bead blasted, just galvanized
- the brass plates and stainless steel cases get bead blasted
- the brass plates will get galvanized after bead blasting. although it is also galvanizing like the steel parts, it is still a different bath in which they get submerged (yes, prior I had this order slightly different).

Since galvanizing of the steel parts is the single biggest task left, this is what gets done now. Whatever is the biggest chunk left will get done next.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 22 July 2021, 12:30:59
UPDATE - GALVANIZING A

Most of the steel parts are galvanized now. Got them today. I was told that the rest of the steel parts will be finished by tuesday.
I'm very happy with the result so far. Here you can see some before and after pictures:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/867819277087801354/HMKB-PLT-DC01_01.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/867819333795315712/HMKB-PLT-DC01_02.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/867819368444067860/HMKB-PLT-DC01_03.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/867819398902054912/HMKB-PLT-DC01_04.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/867819425608237086/HMKB-PLT-DC01_05.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/867819453935779840/HMKB-PLT-DC01_06.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/867819477377482842/HMKB-PLT-DC01_07.JPG)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: zxer on Thu, 22 July 2021, 12:37:25
nice looking great
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 29 July 2021, 13:45:51
UPDATE - GALVANIZING B

The rest of the steel parts is done with galvanizing now. I was able to pic them up today. Next up is bead blasting. The brass plates and the stainless steel case parts will be transported to blasting next week. Next week I will also know how long blasting will take.

Here you can see some more pictures of the rest of the steel parts:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/870369825770319892/HMKB-PLT-DC01_B01.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/870369852592889876/HMKB-PLT-DC01_B02.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/870369879931355236/HMKB-PLT-DC01_B03.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/870369935128412180/HMKB-PLT-DC01_B04.JPG)

FYI, the little notches in the foot parts help me to easier recognize which case size the feet belong to. Foot for 40% has one notch, for 60% has two ... 95% has six.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: rinkaan on Thu, 29 July 2021, 18:09:07
Thanks  for the update!

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 06 August 2021, 11:08:15
UPDATE - BEAD BLASTING

The brass plates have been transported to the company that does the bead blasting. The stainless steel cases will be transported there next week. They are expected to be done in KW34.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 06 August 2021, 11:09:41
UPDATE - C-PARTS

I was finally able to finalize and place the order for the accessories (screws, nuts, standoffs). Easy to find suppliers that offer one or two of the parts that I need. Though one that offers exactly all of them as well as mixed packaging , wasn't so easy. Only the grommets had to be ordered separately, though they also do come in the right packing unit.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 02 September 2021, 14:52:28
UPDATE - BEAD BLASTING

I got the brass plates back from bead blasting, the stainless steel parts are still in progress. next week the brass plates will be transported to their last processing stage - black galvanizing.

Here you can see the brass plates before they got blasted (phone pic):

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/883057525778436126/HMKB_brass-plts_01.png)

Here you see them after the blasting (also phone pic):

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/883057646930899014/HMKB_brass-plts_02.png) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/883057676219736104/HMKB_brass-plts_03.png)

And here pictures with a better camera:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/883057808440967168/HMKB_brass-plts_04.png) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/883057862123880588/HMKB_brass-plts_05.png) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/883057912870756352/HMKB_brass-plts_06.png) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/883057958261510224/HMKB_brass-plts_07.png)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 02 September 2021, 14:53:48
UPDATE - TIMELINE

At this point almost all of the surface treatment is done and all C-parts have been ordered. I am still in the process of exploring the packaging options. Either PE-foam or simple paper wrapping. PE-foam custom shapes would be much more easy for packing and speed up that process but I need to wait for quotes and an estimate on production time. Until I don't know for sure if I go for foam and how long this takes to be delivered, I don't want to state any shipping time frame.
One thing I am now confident to say though is that shipping will surely start in 2021 and it should also start before december.

So the current goal is to have everything shipped by the end of this year.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: rinkaan on Thu, 02 September 2021, 19:15:12
Thanks for the updatw

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: saesh on Fri, 03 September 2021, 15:45:01
Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Tue, 07 September 2021, 07:03:03
One thing I am now confident to say though is that shipping will surely start in 2021 and it should also start before december.

Strange sense of deja vu  :D
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 October 2021, 13:16:02
UPDATE - FINAL STRETCH

Since this week everything needed for shipping has either arrived or is ordered, custom sized shipping boxes being the last item I checked. According to the manufacturer I should get them well before december. The bead blasting of the stainless steel case parts has taken longer than expected, the first few boxes should be ready for pick up next week. The galvanizing of the brass plates also took longer, I was told they are ready by the end of next week or the week after. Ready packed screws, bolts etc should arrive this month. The grommets got delayed as well, waiting for an update on their status.
Although many parts take a bit longer, the "shipping starts before december" goal is still fine.
Next update will be pictures of the finished stainless steel parts and after that the finished brass plates. After that there won't be anymore updates before shipping. I'll then remind all again regarding address updates and some form of confirmation for addresses that have been changed will go out before shipping starts.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Sat, 09 October 2021, 03:41:27
UPDATE - FINAL STRETCH

Since this week everything needed for shipping has either arrived or is ordered, custom sized shipping boxes being the last item I checked. According to the manufacturer I should get them well before december. The bead blasting of the stainless steel case parts has taken longer than expected, the first few boxes should be ready for pick up next week. The galvanizing of the brass plates also took longer, I was told they are ready by the end of next week or the week after. Ready packed screws, bolts etc should arrive this month. The grommets got delayed as well, waiting for an update on their status.
Although many parts take a bit longer, the "shipping starts before december" goal is still fine.
Next update will be pictures of the finished stainless steel parts and after that the finished brass plates. After that there won't be anymore updates before shipping. I'll then remind all again regarding address updates and some form of confirmation for addresses that have been changed will go out before shipping starts.
Thanks for the update and your work!

Looking forward to getting my HMKB ^——^
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Damage on Sat, 09 October 2021, 21:30:55
UPDATE - FINAL STRETCH

Since this week everything needed for shipping has either arrived or is ordered, custom sized shipping boxes being the last item I checked. According to the manufacturer I should get them well before december. The bead blasting of the stainless steel case parts has taken longer than expected, the first few boxes should be ready for pick up next week. The galvanizing of the brass plates also took longer, I was told they are ready by the end of next week or the week after. Ready packed screws, bolts etc should arrive this month. The grommets got delayed as well, waiting for an update on their status.
Although many parts take a bit longer, the "shipping starts before december" goal is still fine.
Next update will be pictures of the finished stainless steel parts and after that the finished brass plates. After that there won't be anymore updates before shipping. I'll then remind all again regarding address updates and some form of confirmation for addresses that have been changed will go out before shipping starts.

Excellent. Thanks for all of your hard work to make this happen!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 09 November 2021, 09:10:59
UPDATE - BRASS PLATES & STAINLESS STEEL

After being delayed several times, yesterday I finally got told that the brass plates are done. Today I picked them up. After days of cloudy weather and rain, today the sun was shining, so I could also take some nice pictures. Most of the stainless steel case parts have been bead blasted by now, so I also took pictures of those. I am very happy about the bead blasting result. Bead blasting can be messed up in so many ways, so I am really relieved about this. Some of the stainless steel parts aren't done by now, this process seems to take much more time than expected but they should still be ready before December.

Here are the sunlight pictures of the finished brass and stainless steel:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643349924732928/HMKB-BR-PLT_01.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643378747965440/HMKB-BR-PLT_02.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643404681363497/HMKB-BR-PLT_03.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643431969492992/HMKB-BR-PLT_04.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643460406886430/HMKB-BR-PLT_05.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643486969417738/HMKB-BR-PLT_06.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643519248785418/HMKB-V2A_01_.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643540958486578/HMKB-V2A_02.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643567021883392/HMKB-V2A_03.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643590799417364/HMKB-V2A_04.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643615625502750/HMKB-V2A_05.JPG) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643648500432987/HMKB-V2A_06.JPG)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 09 November 2021, 09:12:59
UPDATE - C-PARTS

Meanwhile the grommets and the other small parts have arrived as well.

Nothing spectacular:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643913144262666/tuellen.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643939866148924/c-teile_boxen.jpg) (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907643961642979378/c-teile_detail.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 09 November 2021, 09:14:19
UPDATE - SHIPPING BOXES

Yesterday the shipping boxes arrived, just after it had stopped raining. Those two pallets were stack so damn high that I could not get them through the doors. Had to dismantle those two stacks outside, so it was a very lucky coincident that it had stopped raining. I had ordered quite a bit of PE foam as filling material for shipping. Seeing the volume those boxes take, I'm a bit worried about the volume that the PE foam might take. Will be exciting. Btw that PE foam is not a custom shape, it's just custom sized 10mm thick sheets to somewhat fit the custom sized shipping boxes.

Those boxes:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705428346049265695/907644205613076501/kartonage.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 09 November 2021, 09:15:34
UPDATE - WHAT IS LEFT

Hope to get the rest of the stainless steel parts back from bead blasting soon, as mentioned, should be fine before December starts. PE foam as filling material should also be here before December. Apart from that there are only two important pieces missing. One of those two should definitely arrive before December, the other one I hope will still make it, hoping for the best.
I regularly get emails about address changes. Nothing has changed in this regard, I usually don't answer those emails, instead I'll automate this and will confirm address changes when shipping starts.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: rinkaan on Tue, 09 November 2021, 19:05:50
Thanks for the updates!

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: saesh on Wed, 10 November 2021, 12:11:52
Awesome! Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: ddnomad on Wed, 10 November 2021, 12:22:35
Thanks for the update! Do appreciate it
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 29 November 2021, 13:33:11
UPDATE - EMAIL NOTICE

Recently, emails announcing that shipping will start soon have gone out to all group buy participants. Those who need their address to be updated should have gotten a specific email for that by now.

If you haven't gotten any Email by now, please contact me via pm or email.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 29 November 2021, 19:45:12
Oh good, my switches will be ready soon. Looks like the HMKB is on schedule . . . for me  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:07:26
I never lost faith in this one. Great work!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: pott on Wed, 01 December 2021, 16:23:52
Not only received one email, but actually received TWO separate ones on address change ;) I guess I'll just reply to both then. Maybe I get twice the keyboards eh!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 03 December 2021, 07:48:30
UPDATE - ADDRESS UPDATE NOTICE

All of you who requested an address update and provided the necessary information should have gotten a confirmation email a few minutes ago.

If you need your address to be updated but have not gotten an email with the subject "HMKB address change confirmation" yet, please contact me via email or pm. Though check your spam prior, please.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 December 2021, 07:26:11
UPDATE - SHIPPING STARTED

Some of you may have already noticed, that shipping has begun. Some have already received their HMKB. Earlybirds get shipped first. Then it will go from low to high order number. This isn't strict though, since a lot is stacked and therefore some variants are more accessible than others. That's why some low order numbers might not be sent early whereas some higher order numbers might be sent earlier because it good to have it out of the way. So don't be confused when you see others with a higher order number getting shipped before yours.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: Automata-killa on Mon, 20 December 2021, 03:04:57
UPDATE - SHIPPING STARTED

Some of you may have already noticed, that shipping has begun. Some have already received their HMKB. Earlybirds get shipped first. Then it will go from low to high order number. This isn't strict though, since a lot is stacked and therefore some variants are more accessible than others. That's why some low order numbers might not be sent early whereas some higher order numbers might be sent earlier because it good to have it out of the way. So don't be confused when you see others with a higher order number getting shipped before yours.
ETA on extras?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CLOSED]
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 20 December 2021, 09:06:40
UPDATE - SHIPPING STARTED"Earlybirds"
  :D :D :D and to think I was given so much flak for saying you won't see anything for at least another 6 months when Q4 2020 was 100% guaranteed... not even at my most cynical could I have predicted it would be another 12 months before 'earlybirds' started shipping.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: bloodparticle on Mon, 20 December 2021, 11:30:32
I will be ready for round 2.  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: yhs on Tue, 11 January 2022, 01:34:14
Have there been any further updates regarding the progress of getting the boards shipped out  on discord or similar? Just wondering as I’m not following there.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Liub on Tue, 11 January 2022, 02:04:12
Have there been any further updates regarding the progress of getting the boards shipped out  on discord or similar? Just wondering as I’m not following there.

No besides Plastik mentioning he's shipped 126 orders on 6th of Jan.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Handke on Tue, 11 January 2022, 04:24:31
round 2 needs a 100% layout option
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: ddnomad on Tue, 18 January 2022, 05:39:29
[mention]PlastikSchnittstelle [/mention]I’ve contacted you on Discord regarding an “emergency” address change. Hopefully it’s not too late and thanks in advance.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 11 February 2022, 09:24:42
A race has materialized from the ether: Which will arrive first? My Clickiez switches, or my HMKBs. Providence will decide what they go in first.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Mon, 14 February 2022, 18:24:01
You made my Valentine's Day Plastik

Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: rinkaan on Mon, 14 February 2022, 19:36:47
You made my Valentine's Day Plastik
Is that the stainless version? Hows the heft? I ordered a 65% with a brass plate.. Wondering how it would feel lol

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: ddnomad on Tue, 15 February 2022, 11:24:53
Yo, any updates on shipping? Like how far are we from getting all the units shipped?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 15 February 2022, 13:53:51
You made my Valentine's Day Plastik

Wow, they are real! Wasn't really sure.

Yeah, I wonder how far down the list he is getting. I haven't even received a shipping notification yet.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: jbodswor on Tue, 15 February 2022, 15:58:25
Yo, any updates on shipping? Like how far are we from getting all the units shipped?

Any update on shipping?  I am order #1684 for a Stainless 75%.  I hope it is shipped soon.  2 years is a long time to wait.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 15 February 2022, 16:27:01
You made my Valentine's Day Plastik

Wow, they are real! Wasn't really sure.

Yeah, I wonder how far down the list he is getting. I haven't even received a shipping notification yet.

Discord makes it sound like order # may be less important than which variants are most accessible from where they're packed into storage, though I didn't spy any numbers that sounded outlandishly out of order either.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 15 February 2022, 17:00:06
Thanks, I will check my order number and Discord.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Thu, 17 February 2022, 16:26:53
You made my Valentine's Day Plastik
Is that the stainless version? Hows the heft? I ordered a 65% with a brass plate.. Wondering how it would feel lol

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Test.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 17 February 2022, 22:55:50
oh, SMK connoisseur!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 18 February 2022, 04:05:50
I know it's a lot of work for OP

But I hope there'll eventually a second or third run if the GB is at least profitable.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Sun, 20 February 2022, 13:41:40
oh, SMK connoisseur!

Hope life improves in Lynx Land
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: eibbun on Tue, 22 February 2022, 08:44:35
so like... did anyone get their board?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 22 February 2022, 18:49:11
oh, SMK connoisseur!

I just saved these poor SMKs from recycling. Unfortunately, my friend who works at a recycler found it this way. He thought they might be SKCM blues, so that might be the only reason it was saved. I think I'm going to try to gut a cheap 68 key MX knockoff board and handwire them in it, unless I find a parts board instead of sacrificing a perfectly good Outemu board to save them.

[attachimg=1]

so like... did anyone get their board?

Plenty. Build pictures have been streaming in on the Discord. My order shipped, but hasn't arrived.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 23 February 2022, 08:15:59
UPDATE - SHIPPING STATUS

Here is some insight regarding shipping so far. By now a little over 300 HMKBs have been shipped. Shipping takes more time than anticipated - surprise! This has multiple reasons. For example, the time per package is pretty bad because of the many different versions, colors, plate options and multiple different box sizes - this makes it really hard to get into a good rhythm. Packing all day, every day isn't possible. Sometimes a whole week goes by without being able to dedicate time for shipping. Recently went out of PE foam which was used as filling material. It was supposed to be enough for 1/3 to 1/2 of all boxes but somehow it ran out way before that goal. The PE foam was custom sized and the lead time for new ones is crazy atm. That's why you'll start to see paper based fillings from now on. Not as nice of an unboxing experience as most were used until recently but it does the job well.

Now I can say for sure, that it will take at least three more months until everything is shipped. So although the shipping phase of this group buy is finally rolling, we will have to be more patient until it is fully completed.

This also effects the extras. I don't want to make them available until roughly half of the group buy has shipped. Of course, only after the initial group buy is shipped completely, extras will get shipped. Preparations for making extras available will take some time since a lot of things in the shop will have to be updated, that's why it will go to maintenance mode at some point in time before extras can be sold there.

Shipping by order number isn't really a thing anymore, some might very well already have their HMKB despite having a very high order number. I can't make any predictions on when a specific order number will be shipped, that's why questions along the way "when will my order be shipped" are being ignored.

Btw, I'd be thankful for some feedback regarding how long the shipping to outside of Europe took for those who have received theirs already, especially in the USA.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Maledicted on Wed, 23 February 2022, 09:58:50
The PE foam was custom sized and the lead time for new ones is crazy atm. That's why you'll start to see paper based fillings from now on. Not as nice of an unboxing experience as most were used until recently but it does the job well.

I would say that nobody should care about that, but I could see some of the more OCD users on here being up in arms over it. *cough* GMK users *cough*

Btw, I'd be thankful for some feedback regarding how long the shipping to outside of Europe took for those who have received theirs already, especially in the USA.

I really don't even care how long it takes myself. I know DHL isn't always that efficient. I can update you when mine eventually get here though. Would you prefer a message in this thread, a P.M. on Geekhack, or a message on Discord?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: rinkaan on Wed, 23 February 2022, 21:19:59
Thanks for the updates!

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: jbodswor on Thu, 24 February 2022, 20:56:21
UPDATE - SHIPPING STATUS

Here is some insight regarding shipping so far. By now a little over 300 HMKBs have been shipped. Shipping takes more time than anticipated - surprise! This has multiple reasons. For example, the time per package is pretty bad because of the many different versions, colors, plate options and multiple different box sizes - this makes it really hard to get into a good rhythm. Packing all day, every day isn't possible. Sometimes a whole week goes by without being able to dedicate time for shipping. Recently went out of PE foam which was used as filling material. It was supposed to be enough for 1/3 to 1/2 of all boxes but somehow it ran out way before that goal. The PE foam was custom sized and the lead time for new ones is crazy atm. That's why you'll start to see paper based fillings from now on. Not as nice of an unboxing experience as most were used until recently but it does the job well.

Now I can say for sure, that it will take at least three more months until everything is shipped. So although the shipping phase of this group buy is finally rolling, we will have to be more patient until it is fully completed.

This also effects the extras. I don't want to make them available until roughly half of the group buy has shipped. Of course, only after the initial group buy is shipped completely, extras will get shipped. Preparations for making extras available will take some time since a lot of things in the shop will have to be updated, that's why it will go to maintenance mode at some point in time before extras can be sold there.

Shipping by order number isn't really a thing anymore, some might very well already have their HMKB despite having a very high order number. I can't make any predictions on when a specific order number will be shipped, that's why questions along the way "when will my order be shipped" are being ignored.

Btw, I'd be thankful for some feedback regarding how long the shipping to outside of Europe took for those who have received theirs already, especially in the USA.

I appreciate the update.  This helps us understand the challenges with shipping and gives us a general idea of how ling it may take to receive our boards.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Liub on Thu, 24 February 2022, 22:34:24
There are a lot of photos of builts boards in the Discord as mentioned above, but I'll add a photo here too  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 25 February 2022, 09:47:21
There are a lot of photos of builts boards in the Discord as mentioned above, but I'll add a photo here too  :cool:

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing that.

Might be difficult to get into the Discord now if you hadn't already joined it. Plastik mentioned this morning that joining via link is no longer allowed. Not sure what sort of vetting process they're going to want to use.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 25 February 2022, 09:50:50
just asking nicely via dm, that's all for now :)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: oilpapers on Sun, 27 February 2022, 09:27:47
There are a lot of photos of builts boards in the Discord as mentioned above, but I'll add a photo here too  :cool:

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing that.

Might be difficult to get into the Discord now if you hadn't already joined it. Plastik mentioned this morning that joining via link is no longer allowed. Not sure what sort of vetting process they're going to want to use.

Seems... very counter-intuitive considering what Discord is for. Pointless gatekeeping? Yawn.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Sun, 27 February 2022, 11:51:39
I'm totally in love with my stainless.

Also regarding SMK Applet posed the 60% Steezy on GitHub

Looking forward to seeing more in build pictures channel
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 01 March 2022, 11:23:03
I'm totally in love with my stainless.

Also regarding SMK Applet posed the 60% Steezy on GitHub

Looking forward to seeing more in build pictures channel

No dedicated arrow keys is a no-go for me, which is why I'm hacking up an old Magicforce board to handwire instead. Otherwise, where on earth would I find Alps mount caps that would support the layout?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Tue, 01 March 2022, 15:40:58
Alps mount domes are easy to find.

Any mod can be an arrow with Mod Tap.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 01 March 2022, 15:55:34
Alps mount domes are easy to find.

With a bunch of relatively modern 1u cap sizes?

Any mod can be an arrow with Mod Tap.

I don't like having to use layers for arrows. Too many hotkeys already utilize arrow keys, among other reasons.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: liquidsky on Tue, 29 March 2022, 07:34:37
I recently built a HMKB 95 up for a client and found that the PCB was only recognized when the USB-C cable was in one orientation. If I flipped the cable around and plugged it back in, the PCB was not recognized. The client had the same experience.

I'm wondering, have others had this issue?

Perhaps only one set of data lines was connected when the USB-C port was installed on the PCB? As explained here:

https://hackaday.com/2021/03/22/cursed-usb-c-when-plug-orientation-matters/
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 29 March 2022, 07:41:29
Interesting!
I built two 95% so far and there it does not matter which way I plug in the cable. One build is a proto, the other one from the GB production (to make sure it really is, I'll open the case and check the pcb, will confirm later). Maybe it has something to do with your specific cable? I hope Evy can comment on this.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: liquidsky on Tue, 29 March 2022, 07:47:49
That was my first thought, but I don’t believe it’s the cable. Not only do I not have this issue using the same cable with other PCBs, but I also tested another cable and had the same result. My client also has the same experience with yet another cable and PC.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 29 March 2022, 07:53:18
OK,
instead of opening the case, I just took one of the 95 pcbs. It registers both ways, regardless how I put in the cable. Also first time I hear this from now 400 shipped units, waiting for evy to comment on this.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: liquidsky on Tue, 29 March 2022, 07:59:20
I appreciate the quick responses.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 29 March 2022, 08:04:43
I'm sure evy has an idea what this might be about. maybe adding some solder to some tiny spot at the plug? I really don't know, lets wait for evy.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: liquidsky on Fri, 01 April 2022, 08:39:21
Hi there. Thanks again for your responsiveness regarding the usb-c issue. Have you heard from evy?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: liquidsky on Fri, 08 April 2022, 07:36:26
Hi again,

Any news on this USB-C port issue?
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: fromjuanm on Sat, 23 April 2022, 20:17:50
 Is it possible to get an update on when order #1417 will be shipped out? I received an email last November that stated shipping will be starting soon. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: chentong on Mon, 09 May 2022, 05:00:17
any shipping update is appreciated.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: rinkaan on Mon, 09 May 2022, 05:02:44
there is updates on the discord channel.
pasted below in case you didn't know about it.

UPDATE - SHIPPING STATUS

Here is another update regarding the shipping status and more after this one. Almost 50% of the orders are shipped now. Running out of something packaging related is frequent, especially regarding void fill. Trying different solutions, new void fill recently arrived:
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UPDATE - BRASS PLATES

The pace of packing has increased since the start of April and it is at a good pace now. However, there is one issue that is still slowing down the shipping process significantly. Initially, when all the metal parts had arrived, I grabbed one plate from steel and one from brass and was relieved and happy to see that the switch fit is perfect. HOWEVER - it turned out that one plate was not representative for all plates. The steel plates are all perfect but after some time I noticed that the tolerances of the brass plates are off on some plates, resulting in a too tight switch fit. I generally aimed for a tight fit, but some are simply too tight. This means that I must test every brass plate before packing it. This may not sound too bad, but the tolerance varies not just from plate to plate but even per cutout within a single plate. That means determining if one particular brass plate is ok or not takes an awful lot of time. This process is taking too much time and that is why I will offer an alternative for all who ordered a brass plate from now on.

New brass plates aren't an option since the production cost went up and the additional steps of bead blasting and galvanization would take way too much time and effort. What I will offer as an alternative is a 304 stainless steel plate, blank and with a more complex contour cut. This cut is usually called a "leaf spring" design but I prefer to call it serpentine cut, since an actual leaf spring design is something else. [I had shown this type way back during the IC phase](https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859341#msg2859341), but settled on a simpler design because the serpentine cut can lead to a high production error rate. However, after several prototypes, I'm more comfortable with this now and many are produced already. Here are some displayed in sunlight:
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So moving forward, everyone who's order contains a brass plate and is up for the next shipping batch will be asked to make a choice (no need to do anything, you will get an email). The choices will look like this:
a) get the original brass plate but wait until the end of shipping for when I will dedicate time purely for checking and sorting the brass plates.
b) get the 304 stainless steel plate now instead
c) get the standard steel plate instead (may be an unlikely choice but I'll include it anyway, may be having a black plate is most important to some)

I think this is an interesting alternative and I'm confident that this will help get shipping done quicker.
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UPDATE - EXTRAS

The problem with the brass plates does have an impact on the extras as well. Brass plates will simply not be offered for the extras, there you will be able to choose between the black standard steel plate and the new 304 stainless steel plate. Currently I am aiming for May 19th to open the shop again and start offering the extras.
Since the initial group buy order phase, shipping prices have increased significantly, sometimes more than doubled, depending on the region. Another factor that makes the prices appear different in some regions now is the fact that Shopify has changed how taxes are being managed. That is why in some regions the initial shop price may appear a slight bit cheaper compared to the original GB price, though after factoring in the new shipping prices, all will end up more expensive at checkout.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: KeyRelic on Mon, 09 May 2022, 06:44:11
There are a lot of photos of builts boards in the Discord as mentioned above, but I'll add a photo here too  :cool:

That looks great!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: akimbra on Thu, 19 May 2022, 16:46:41
Would you look at that? You definitely censored me Plastik! :eek:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481802937375653889/976954072001310790/unknown.png)

A couple of years after the GB actually occurred, there seems to have been an issue with communicating with the people that purchased your keyboard. Maybe here you will finally answer the actual questions people want the answers to?


It is honestly disparaging to see the way you still handle communications and still expect people to purchase from you. Hopefully no publicity is bad publicity for the future iteration of my video. The first one has over 4500 views and counting: 
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Fri, 20 May 2022, 00:57:16
Hi.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Chick3nCutlet on Sun, 22 May 2022, 15:38:35
Thank you for banning me from the server after saying you haven't replied to my last 2 emails, which I sent 1 on March 31st and another one on April 10th, this is the reply I get. Real professional my guy  :thumb: Really shows your integrity and how you've been handling this whole GB, literally banning people from the server just because they asked you to check your emails regarding our orders.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: castlezach on Sun, 22 May 2022, 16:47:54
I appreciate my Discord ban as well. After Plastik announced today that he's offering EXTRAS, when he still hasn't shipped out more than 50% of the keyboards from the group buy, I was livid. I requested a refund from him in the general channel, and in less than two minutes he'd replied, telling me to take it to the problem channel. I immediately posted in that channel as requested, asking for a refund. Keep in mind, this is after I'd sent him six emails requesting a refund, to no avail. A couple minutes later, while everyone was up in arms telling him he doesn't reply to anyone and now he's magically here, I noticed I'd been given a timeout for 7 days, as if Plastik is my father, but the last thing he should be responsible for is a child, when he can't even take care of a simple groupbuy. A minute later, I was banned. My theory is he's running extras now because the money that was from the groupbuy and was to be used for, ya know, getting us our keyboards, has all been spent and he can't ship more until he gets the money from extras. Regardless, he has always been poor to respond unless it's on his terms, and has never once admitted fault to any serious degree. This has been the most horrid groupbuy I've ever had the displeasure of partaking in, and honestly after seeing his original GB thread on here, we should've all known better than to support him. The only reason he's not a complete scam is because he's shipped out about half the boards, but regardless, hundred thousand plus dollars are tied up in keyboards from his customers, whom he hasn't supplied with their order for over two years now. All I want is a refund. The wait is obscene and much like a lot of others stuck in this hell of a groupbuy, we don't even want what we ordered at this point.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Saga on Thu, 16 June 2022, 12:29:32
Right, it's been two years since I had contact with the OP, and not for lack of trying. I've also got all his contact info from the first SKB75 GB (which I did receive, at least) so I've reached out by email and if I don't get a refund by the end of Monday in Germany I'm just going to go ahead and file a police report in Germany and pursue legal options to get my money back. Sure, it's €110, but I'm willing to expend a lot of cycles to deal with scammers. This isn't an empty threat, I'm 100% willing to spend the time and money to not let a scammer get away with just pocketing a ton of money and banning anyone who questions it.

At the bare minimum I'd encourage anyone who hasn't been able to get a refund or in touch with Plastik to look into filing a police report in Frankfurt.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Thu, 16 June 2022, 14:18:59
 :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Saga on Thu, 16 June 2022, 17:10:53
Really rough back of the envelope, but it looks like his brass plates are in stacks sized around 25 each (for the ones zoomed in enough to count, there's obviously more or less of some sizes). If we assume each of those is ~€110, which definitely discounts anyone who got a PCB for theirs, then by the numbers of stacks we get

((33*25)/2)*120 = €49,500

So yeah, my €110 probably won't get the German authorities to care but I am absolutely certain the total amount we're getting scammed for here will.

PlastikSchnittstelle, I don't know if you've internalized or even realized this in these terms but you need to read this carefully: You are a scammer. I understand that was not your intention or your motivation. I have a keyboard from you I'm perfectly happy with, but the fact that you already ran one successful GB and delivered a large percentage of the products from this one does not grant you the right to just ghost people who paid you. Regardless of your initial intentions, you've taken people's money for years and not responded to concerns or delivered a product to a huge percentage of the people who paid. With the bans and silence, people are going to stop waiting and assuming you're acting in good faith and they're going to start creating a pretty big headache for you that you will not have the opportunity to ignore like you have been.

You are a scammer. You have scammed people out of quite a lot of money, and either you're going to need to make people whole or accept the fact that, being in a country with a pretty robust legal system and having your information fairly publicly facing, there are going to be repercussions for stealing from people.

edit: Also worth pointing out that he hasn't logged on to geekhack in almost a month.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: bball2 on Thu, 16 June 2022, 18:04:37
I assume a sufficient amount orders will be reached after one month. Order should be placed in the following month. Production should take at least two months, four months at max. Then the shipping starts and it will take at least one more month until the last package will be shipped.

Expected shipping Q3 2020

I think this entire group buy is one of the best examples of why Group Buy runners should set limits on the amount of orders they take.

He is likely going to be off in his shipping estimate by over 2 years and that's even if he manages to fulfill all of the orders.

Though I guess 24+ months technically meets the definition of "at least one more month"...
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: MrEsosmao on Fri, 17 June 2022, 11:26:32
I need this board! GLWGB.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Saga on Fri, 17 June 2022, 11:55:10
I need this board! GLWGB.

So do most of us who actually bought one ―\_(ツ)_/―
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Saga on Sat, 18 June 2022, 14:02:42
EDIT: Finally getting a response to things.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Mon, 27 June 2022, 22:46:00
i hate that i only occasionally check this disaster of a thread because it's my dad's first and only board gb

and you've just decided that you don't care about finishing this, you just want to sell what you have
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Tue, 28 June 2022, 14:18:37
i hate that i only occasionally check this disaster of a thread because it's my dad's first and only board gb

and you've just decided that you don't care about finishing this, you just want to sell what you have

Plastik continues to ship GB boards

Extras have not shipped
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: eibbun on Fri, 01 July 2022, 22:43:02
as of yesterday, he said 60% has been shipped... it was like 40% last month so i guess we're waiting A WHILE
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: lys.nordique on Sat, 02 July 2022, 07:40:44
He's friend with Auramech
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: ggggggg on Mon, 04 July 2022, 08:21:10
as of yesterday, he said 60% has been shipped... it was like 40% last month so i guess we're waiting A WHILE

Not true, I got both my 60 and my 40 way back in december. Get your story straight Plastik
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Adelscott on Mon, 04 July 2022, 12:46:52
as of yesterday, he said 60% has been shipped... it was like 40% last month so i guess we're waiting A WHILE

Not true, I got both my 60 and my 40 way back in december. Get your story straight Plastik

(https://c.tenor.com/ZUBUW3ELrUcAAAAC/spit-take-laughing.gif)
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: LordOwen on Wed, 21 September 2022, 08:37:12
My Stainless 80% arrived earlier this week, and I finally had a free evening to put things together. It looks and sounds pretty good with Kiwis and GMK Rainy Day on the INOX plate, but am definitely going to be playing around with it more to tweak a few things. Overall, I'm very, very happy with this board so far, and am looking forward to getting more use out of it.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 05 October 2022, 10:17:38
i hate that i only occasionally check this disaster of a thread because it's my dad's first and only board gb

and you've just decided that you don't care about finishing this, you just want to sell what you have

It's OK guys, Q4 100%!
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 05 October 2022, 11:43:07
if you haven't gotten an email asking if you are ready for shipping or an email regarding alternative plate choice by now, please contact me via the form on the shop page. to quite a few I've been resending the email for quite some time, without getting any response. other than that just very few are left, some russians for example. excluding extras it is shipped over 90% now.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: Handke on Tue, 11 October 2022, 09:50:32
My Stainless 80% arrived earlier this week, and I finally had a free evening to put things together. It looks and sounds pretty good with Kiwis and GMK Rainy Day on the INOX plate, but am definitely going to be playing around with it more to tweak a few things. Overall, I'm very, very happy with this board so far, and am looking forward to getting more use out of it.

Isn't it too stiff? Due to the build construction, I suppose that it isn't possible to add any flex.
I own the same keyboard that you have :-) Will build it sooner or later.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: kajahtaa on Tue, 11 October 2022, 11:51:13
Seems you haven't looked at the plate
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: fromjuanm on Sat, 21 January 2023, 20:09:46
Can I please get an update on my order #1417.  I have not received any emails about shipment. I have reached out via email and on this forum but have not received any responses. Thanks

[attachimg=1]


Thank you for the email update on my keyboard. I sent over the response on wanting the Brass Plate option and confirmed the shipping details are the same.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: SoloMilo on Mon, 23 January 2023, 08:22:40
Cannot believe the fulfilment time on this gb, just saw this on the front page and oh my lord that 3 year delay
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 03 April 2023, 08:15:13
UPDATE - GROUP BUY 99.9 DONE

All but ten orders from the group buy are now fulfilled. I don't get any response from these last ten. If you happen to be one of those, please contact me through "info@heavymetalkeyboards.com". I will continue to reach out.
Unfortunately I needed to refund some of the outstanding group buy orders, since they either did not want any of the new alternatives for the problematic brass plate or had a plate choice that was out of stock and would have again needed more time. Sorry, please understand that at this point I really want to move on and start fulfilling the extra orders.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 03 April 2023, 08:16:11
UPDATE - EXTRA ORDERS

I will start shipping the extra orders later this week. The extras will probably be all done by the end of April. Anything that gets ordered from now on might slip into May.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 31 October 2023, 11:51:27
HMKB GB RECAP

While this group buy has concluded some time ago, I never gotten around to writing a summary, something I felt is necessary but had pushed aside so far. Most of this has already been shared on the discord and some of it posted as updates in this thread. There are some additional things that went on that I had kept quiet about. The following text should give a recap of the whole HMKB group buy and tell about some previously undisclosed problems.


STARTING

After the group buy order phase in May of 2020 had ended, I realized that the studio space I had rented at the time simply wasn't big enough to receive, store and fulfill all the parts of the group buy. The order of all metal parts was theoretically ready to be placed. Discussing delivery with the manufacturer made me realize that I wouldn't just need a little bigger space, I would need something with truck access, space to offload from a truck ramp and room for several Euro pallets. This took time. By the end of that year, I finally had found a place in an industrial area near Frankfurt. The day after I signed the lease agreement, I placed the order for the metal parts. They arrived one month later.

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I had shown this before, this is the storage room when the metal parts arrived. It was way more than I had anticipated, and that room was just big enough. I learned how to play Tetris with those pallets.

Luckily, I had already ordered the PCBs soon after the group buy had ended. Although it would be a lot of boxes, those wouldn't be a concern to store. If I had waited with the PCB order, I would have been in big trouble. COVID started and lead times for PCBs and its components went up, so did the prices and soon after, I wouldn't have been able to order at all. Problem avoided.

Getting all the metal parts unpacked, checked, then sorted and repacked for powder coating seemed like an overwhelming task. Of course, I got it done eventually but it wasn't easy. During that, I made the stupid decision to buy IKEA shelves for storage. Luckily that didn't cause any accident but I quickly realized, I had to replace those with load racks.

Here are some pictures from when I got the metal parts back from powder coating:

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Then the stainless-steel cases and brass plates got bead blasted without issues. After that the brass plates and steel plates went to galvanization. This came with unexpected challenges but those got solved.

Mounting kits, TPU grommet packs and printed manual all took some dedicated time but went without issues.

There was also the EPDM plate foam. The group buy had started without any foam included and back then this was still a new thing. Already in delay, I thought it would be a good idea to have the foam produced and include it for free. The production of the foam went without issues.

Packaging was another huge animal that I had underestimated. I tried to figure out a one-size-fits-all solution for the many different case sizes but ultimately had to abandon this idea since it was taking too long and would be too expensive to make in Germany. Throughout the whole shipping process I used different packaging materials and learned a lot about what works well and what not.

Here are pictures of packaging material arriving. I had to reorder a few times.

[attachimg=3]


BRASS

Shipping finally started in December 2021. After a few orders shipped I got the feedback that the brass plate was very tight - another nightmare started. I grabbed a brass plate and checked with the same switch I had always used for that - it was fine, a little tight but OK. Then I tried a different (new) switch and that wasn't OK at all. I checked other brass plates randomly and got cold sweat. Turned out the switch I had always used to test the plates with, was simply worn down. For new switches the brass plates were too tight. I hadn't identified this immediately after delivery because I had used that worn out switch for testing. Even worse was the fact that those brass plates - although they were scrap - went to bead blasting and after that they went on to get the galvanizing treatment which gave them the black zinc layer. I continued only fulfilling orders with steel plate and put off the problem until later.

Those of you who were affected know that I tackled this by offering the then newly produced inox plate with serpentine cut. Most went with that and those who insisted on a brass plate got a new and different "full mass brass plate" plate offered at the very end. Very few also declined that new brass plate and since I wasn't going to produce that exact brass plate with black zinc layer again, I had to refund those few. Sorry, I was simply not able to ship the brass plate exactly as planned.

Here are the original brass plates stored untreated, then after bead blasting and finally with the black zinc layer. They are sold as paperweight now.

[attachimg=4]

Early in 2022 the shop got updated and the extras were made available for order. Shipping of the initial group buy orders continued slowly through the whole year of 2022. Early in 2023 it was finally done, and the extras started shipping. Some of the inox plates that were made available for the extra orders brought further challenges which is why some of the extra orders were only ready for shipping in the summer of 2023.


COMMUNICATION

I started this without knowing about how important communication and transparency is. Because production of the cases hadn't started during 2020, people became unhappy. Rightfully so but at the time I didn't understand why people got upset. From my point of view, it was simply a delay due to various challenges, nothing that I wouldn't be able to handle. Only slowly I learned that the people in the group buy simply don't know me and can't know for sure if the group buy goes south. They see a long delay and of course they get at least skeptical. Some wanted to drop out of the group buy in late 2020, that was fine with me, and I refunded those.

In early 2021, the metal parts arrived, and I shared pictures, which was a big relief for many of the participants, since for them this was basically the first actual proof that the cases were indeed getting made. I think this was a turning point, since by then I understood that I needed to communicate better and more frequently.


UNDISCLOSED

To those of you who followed the updates on discord, this is all nothing new, I told about all of this in detail already. Though all that still doesn't explain why it took almost three years until the last last order was delivered. I had already hinted that I would provide further insight regarding another problem I had to face - that's what I want to share now.

Rewind all the way back to the group buy order phase in May of 2020. One of the payment providers was - of course - paypal. A lot of orders were paid through this service. About halfway through Mai paypal emailed me and told me they would do a standard check of my account, this would take a few days and I would not be able withdraw from it until then. I didn't think anything of it at the time but when they emailed again, I was pretty shocked. They said my account would from now on only be able to receive payments, but I would not be able to withdraw anything until I would make them a certain amount in sales and only then I would be able to access the account. I hadn't withdrawn anything from the group buy money so far, so all the paypal group buy payments weren't available to me. I immediately removed paypal from the Shopify payment options and from then on only the payment options provided by Shopify itself were left available. paypal didn't answer any emails regarding this matter and phone calls would end with the service person saying they were not authorized to talk about this. I thought - fine, I won't let this bother me since the amount that didn't go through paypal was enough to start production and I thought since there for sure can't be no legal ground for paypals actions, they will have to let me access the account again at some point.

In 2021 paypal still hadn't unblocked the account. When powder coating started, I knew I wouldn't be able to continue without the rest of the group buy funds from paypal, for much longer. I decided to go to a lawyer that had experience with this exact matter. I won't tell what was discussed but the result was that after some more time, my lawyer was able to make paypal unblock the account. Beginning of August of 2021, I had full access again. That was over 14 months after paypal had blocked it.

Sidenote: Further up, I mentioned that I had to refund quite a few who wanted out of the group buy in late 2020. The orders paid through paypal could not be refunded from the blocked account. paypal wouldn't even let me do refunds. I had to do those refunds from my private paypal account.

The whole 2020 delay was up to me but after I had the new space with storage room attached, everything could have gone much quicker if it hadn't been for paypal. To be fair, I should not have assumed that paypal would unblock the account by itself at some point. Instead, I should have involved the lawyer immediately when they blocked the account. For sure I won't ever offer paypal again and I'm avoiding paypal the best I can.

Just having access to the paypal funds again didn't completely solve the problems though. For some period of time I was then able to rush through what was left to do - bead blasting of the stainless-steel cases and brass plates, galvanizing of the steel and brass plates, epdm foam, packaging material and so on. Time is a factor though. This is what I had to learn the hard way throughout this journey. The group buy revenue covers production and shipping, of course. Beyond that it needs to cover for things like the rent of the rather large office space that is required. This would have worked out for about one year. Two years not so much though. I now know that a group buy must be concluded within a certain time frame before it becomes a financial loss.

I would have been able to manage the initial delay caused by the search for the new place, new production of brass plates and even the higher shipping prices could have just worked out but the additional delay due to paypal was just that one blow too much. As a result, I had to use personal funds to finish shipping the group buy and to have the inox plates and new brass plates made. I was only gradually able to do this, while always having to overcome the financial burden of the bigger space. I got there eventually but only by using personal finances. For me there was never any doubt that I would eventually get it done. I also understand that from the outside it is easy to be skeptical about this when the process keeps dragging on for so long.

I just mentioned higher shipping prices. That was one more bad thing I hadn't mentioned yet. The group buy shipping prices I had charged were pre COVID. When I started shipping, those prices had gone up substantially, double in some instances. Asking the group buy participants to pay an additional amount for the higher shipping cost was something I didn't want to do. It would have been difficult to manage and might have gotten more participants angered. I decided it was smarter to not make any fuss about it and simply cover the additional cost by myself.


RECENTLY

While I'm pretty much out of the loop regarding other group buys and keyboard vendors, I did see the recent videos from Taeha Types about group buys that crashed. I think now that I have come forward with my group buy experience, I should also touch on those developments. As I understand there were vendors that piled up many group buys without fulfilling them, or even paying the manufacturer and eventually disappearing. I have zero insight regarding any other group buys and won't comment but I can say that throughout the whole time of my group buy, I didn't think I was "allowed" to start a new group buy while not having shipped the prior one completely. I had the impression that this was a no go in the community. I know it is the norm for keycap sets but for my area - keyboard cases - this would cause an immediate backlash. At least that's what I thought. Although I had more than one new project in the pipeline, I wouldn't even allow myself to at least show those in an interest check.

In hindsight I think I may have been too strict to myself. For example, if I had at some point offered the same HMKB with simply new colors and updated plate options and without setting an unrealistically optimistic shipping goal again, I think I could have collected much needed funds. Funds which would have enabled me to quickly get the rest of the original HMKB group buy shipped and then have a new production that I'm already familiar with. Though it could have also been a cause for more trouble, for example if new unexpected problems would have come up. I'm not sure if refraining myself from putting up a new pre-order in the shop, while not having shipped HMKB-V1 completely, was a good or a bad thing.


SORRY

Although I had said sorry for the delays many times before, I'd like to emphasize one more time that I am truly sorry for my bad handling of the situation and communication during 2020 and sometimes after that.
I could and should have done a lot differently throughout this group buy that would have enabled me to get this done quicker. I've learned a lot from this and I think I'm now better prepared for future keyboard projects.
Also please excuse that I only posted updates but stopped maintaining the start post of this thread accordingly. I don't think it's necessary at this point any more.


LOVE

I love keyboards, I love designing things, I love getting them manufactured and into the hands of people and I love it when they love it. So no matter how many problems any upcoming project will bring, I won't give up on it. It might come at my personal expense, it might take time but eventually I will always get it done, no matter what! Though let's hope that the next project will simply work out smoothly and without problems. I'd defiantly love that too.


THANKS

That said, I want to give a huge thanks to all those who kept calm until they got their HMKB. Your patience helped me to get through this. Including the extras I have shipped 1233 orders.
I hope you are happy with your HMKB.
I wanted to write this "little" recap already many months ago but I knew it would get uncomfortably long and so I pushed it aside until now. Thanks for reading.

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FORGOTTEN

Currently there are seven orders left that I can't ship. I've been emailing the customers countless times over the past two years, for address confirmation and alternative plate choice but didn't get no answer. There are also five packages that DHL couldn't deliver and weren't picked up. They got returned to me eventually and I didn't hear back from those either. If you are one of those - please reach out to me via the contact form on the shop page.

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NOW

I've just updated the shop. Might not look much different than before but you pick your variant differently now. Before I start a new project, I need to sell the current stock. Because of that the prices are now heavily reduced. You can now choose to get just the bare case, without pcb or plate plate. This is an option for those who might already have a spare plate and pcb. The old and faulty brass plates are sold as paperweight (buy three, get 30% off). There is a new FR4 plate option which also helps to reduce the entry level price. If you have bought an HMKB in the last two months, email me and you'll get 15% off for your next order.

After counting what's left, I noticed that my stock numbers weren't correct. Now some variants that were previously marked as out of stock are now available again.

I have some B-stock cases and plates available at further reduced prices. Just blemishes without affecting the functionality. I don't sell those through the store. If you are interested, please use the contact form on the store page.

FUTURE

I had mentioned that I have new projects in the works. Next will be something not much different from what I offer now. The reason for that is to have something that won't cause me any surprises during manufacturing. This will also give me more time for prototyping of new designs that I'm working on.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CONCLUDED]
Post by: vhaarr on Tue, 31 October 2023, 14:48:40
Your front page looks awesome! I *love* the color section that comes after the white angles/mounting/silencing section with the RAL color codes. That said, it's a bit difficult now with the categories to see for example which HHKB 60% boards are available in stock. But not very difficult :-)

Here's a few photos of me building my yellow hmkb hhkb  :cool:
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First assembly, then picking the keycap set, then fully assembled at desk (with NP black blank keycaps and a yellow MT3 for Esc, later swapped that for a yellowish tetris artisan).

In the second photo you can also just barely see my AKB Vero with ThinkCaps (note the shine on the spacebar lol, always a good sign)  :thumb:
EDIT: Oh and btw in case anyone is wondering those are Azure Dragon v2 switches, and I love them. Not my favorite, but very good.

I'm happy for you that you learned so much from running this GB. Mastering such a project is a great feeling.

Thank you so much for the excellent yellow color! Thank you for the free foam! And thank you for an excellent writeup!

My only regret is now I want an FR4 plate ... :-P
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CONCLUDED]
Post by: hammerbrotha on Tue, 31 October 2023, 14:51:57
Thanks for the update. I received mine ages ago and enjoyed the keyboard while I had it.
Thanks for the transparency as well plastik!

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Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [CONCLUDED]
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 31 October 2023, 16:45:14
Your front page looks awesome! I *love* the color section that comes after the white angles/mounting/silencing section with the RAL color codes. That said, it's a bit difficult now with the categories to see for example which HHKB 60% boards are available in stock. But not very difficult :-)

Here's a few photos of me building my yellow hmkb hhkb  :cool:
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First assembly, then picking the keycap set, then fully assembled at desk (with NP black blank keycaps and a yellow MT3 for Esc, later swapped that for a yellowish tetris artisan).

In the second photo you can also just barely see my AKB Vero with ThinkCaps (note the shine on the spacebar lol, always a good sign)  :thumb:
EDIT: Oh and btw in case anyone is wondering those are Azure Dragon v2 switches, and I love them. Not my favorite, but very good.

I'm happy for you that you learned so much from running this GB. Mastering such a project is a great feeling.

Thank you so much for the excellent yellow color! Thank you for the free foam! And thank you for an excellent writeup!

My only regret is now I want an FR4 plate ... :-P

Thanks for your feedback. The filters should help narrow down the selection, though with that many sizes, colors and variants it is hard to achieve a simple and quick overview.

Thanks for sharing the pictures. On the discord pictures almost exclusively show the board fully assembles, that's why I'm happy to see the unassembled plate in the wild. The clear, light colored Azure Dragons fit the inox plate very nicely.
Title: Re: [GB] HEAVY METAL KEYBOARDS [SHIPPING]
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 02 November 2023, 13:01:55
I started this without knowing about how important communication and transparency is. Because production of the cases hadn't started during 2020, people became unhappy. Rightfully so but at the time I didn't understand why people got upset. From my point of view, it was simply a delay due to various challenges, nothing that I wouldn't be able to handle. Only slowly I learned that the people in the group buy simply don't know me and can't know for sure if the group buy goes south. They see a long delay and of course they get at least skeptical. Some wanted to drop out of the group buy in late 2020, that was fine with me, and I refunded those.

Jesus, even after all this time you still really don't get it. The problem wasn't that people "simply don't know you" or simply "getting skeptical". The problem was you were full of ****, kept repeatedly making demonstrably dishonest claims (e.g "100% certain it will be ready next quarter" when you hadn't even really started), leaving everyone in the dark with updates until beyond the proverbial 'last minute' and then outright stonewalling people and cutting off any two-way communication deciding to only have trickle updates.

That said, in the end you actually delivered unlike many GBs and I respect that. The retrospective (aside from completely missing the point of many people's frustrations in communication) is appreciated. The only thing I'd hope for if you run other projects in the future is to be open earlier with your communication about any complications. Delays etc are the name of this game unfortunately, and while there will always be some people who want everything yesterday, a lot of the backlash you received during the initial months of problems (including my own) would have instead been infinitely more patience and understanding if only communication was more open and honest from the outset.