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Title: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Thebloodyez on Sun, 02 July 2023, 15:23:07

QFRL100

(https://i.imgur.com/5Ez3Q86.png)

Update logs:
- To do:
(~~Add renders~~)
(~~Change UDB placement to central~~)
(PCB V2 Prototype)
- 07/03/2023: ~~IC Form~~
- 07/03/2023: The button used in the proto V1 is temporary and require new mold, Testing different pads material (POM (the current pads for V1, require new more sturdy design), Aluminum (Original design still waiting for the new buttons mold), CEM (Pending to test)).
- 07/04/2023: Added my discord (https://discord.gg/MeJZfh9HMF) & updated the button for bottom mount.
- 07/05/2023: Updated the IC form with plate material section.
- 08/28/2023: Added Caps_lock & Num_lock LED indicators to newest PCB version.
- 10/28/2023: 3D bottom button mold V1 printed (Will opensource it after GB).
- 11/18/2023: Prototype case V2 ordered along with PC pads, There will be another version of pads that I want to test as well (Will post changes once I receive the new proto).
- 12/25/2023: I will offer a hotswap PCB as an option. First I will finish from solder pcb then I will start with hotswap version.
- 12/31/2023: Received prototype V2.
- 01/17/2024: Tested bottom pc pads and need a minor changes.
- 02/01/2024: Got some positive responses from vendors I will list them once everything is settled.
- 02/10/2024: Added renders of the keyboard with layouts. List of vendors is updated.
- 02/11/2023: TX AP clip-ins stabilizers of choice will be included in the kit!.
- 02/13/2024: Pictures of V2 prototype.
- 06/03/2024: Secret (https://forms.gle/Q533oPWDXpb5kFo26)
- 03/22/2024: Ordered PCB V2 prototype.
- 04/14/2024: Solder PCB V2 prototype reached!.
- 04/26/2024: I tested the Solder PCB V2 prototype and I need to add some cosmetics in the GB version.
- 04/27/2024: I placed QFRL100 Hot Swap V2 prototype order and waiting for manufacturer.

Join my Discord (https://discord.gg/MeJZfh9HMF) | Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/thebloodyezkb/)

Introduction

Hi geekhack, this is an early IC for my newly design board qfrl100 a FRL 100% layout. This board takes some of characteristics of my previous project the "70O FRL" but instead it utilizes both top and bottom mount using the plate. I intended to add a touch of the design origin like USB cutout which its similar to the 70O but the USB cutout has been changed back to normal in the V2 and instead added my touch into the brass through weight. Not to mention I like also Long Boards ;D.
Please find the details below:

Specifications

7.5 degree 100% FRL.
Front H: 17.98 mm (EFH 21.55 mm).
Top and bottom mount.
Brass through weight.
Plate to top case: 7.8 mm.
Plate materials (Aluminum, PC & PP).
Mounting pads + screws 20 M2×0.4 mm (PC or FR4).
QFRL100% PCB 1.6 mm soldered and hot-swap.
PCB layout support: 10U spacebar, Split backspace, ISO enter, 1.25U left shift and 1.75U right shift, 2U and 1U on numpad.
Firmware: QMK, VIA and Vial.
Support Mx and Alps.
Weight unbuilt: ~2.5 KG.
Additional information:

Case W: 437.5 mm* L: 115.2 mm.
Case Back H: 34.466 mm.
Case Bezels: Top & Bottom (9.5 mm), Sides (4 mm).
PCB MCU: atmega32u4.
PCB designed by Thebloodyezkb

PCB Layout

Solder PCB

(https://i.imgur.com/0XXOUur.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/khVXBpL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IFkSLRx.jpg)

ANSI Hot Swap PCB

(https://i.imgur.com/3gz30Yt.png)

QFRL100 Diagrams

(https://i.imgur.com/5p0cYfQ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0w3UUCq.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1wl9XY9.png)

The bottom button attached bottom pads then uses 2XM2 screws for the mount. The plate then sets on bottom button.

Renders:
(https://i.imgur.com/5Ez3Q86.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/YeEDVp7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uVNM3yZ.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JgdKRj0.png)

WKL

WKL Red
(https://i.imgur.com/SnF5gBG.jpeg)
WKL Silver
(https://i.imgur.com/LKWuvG0.jpeg)
WKL Grey
(https://i.imgur.com/dy75JJF.jpeg)
WKL Blue
(https://i.imgur.com/zJlqAr0.jpeg)
WKL Green
(https://i.imgur.com/2m3pjco.jpeg)
WKL Black
(https://i.imgur.com/6et4wSZ.jpeg)

WK Red
(https://i.imgur.com/y0C4EzP.jpeg)
WK Silver
(https://i.imgur.com/ntEJeSp.jpeg)
WK Grey
(https://i.imgur.com/3d16n0c.jpeg)
WK Blue
(https://i.imgur.com/vseWixi.jpeg)
WK Green
(https://i.imgur.com/IogESlz.jpeg)
WK Black
(https://i.imgur.com/IbydW96.jpeg)

WK NeXT

WK NeXT Red
(https://i.imgur.com/JZ2YGgi.jpeg)
WK NeXT Silver
(https://i.imgur.com/afvCsch.jpeg)
WK NeXT Grey
(https://i.imgur.com/V9YZ2D8.jpeg)
WK NeXT Blue
(https://i.imgur.com/RFWB7kU.jpeg)
WK NeXT Green
(https://i.imgur.com/LLsVrik.jpeg)
WK NeXT Black
(https://i.imgur.com/RT36Nyq.jpeg)

Prototype V1:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZGpVmaS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qaJWvHy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GaEVAc8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uQDqkQl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/j0ghUg3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JQTnId8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6ZQVNrL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RPa7k2X.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mhzvigf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0sRsaKP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hPxKJOD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PstCpbo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9n3pLf2.jpg)

Prototype V2:

(https://i.imgur.com/dJAykV5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ElA1eLn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/25kGGet.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mho53b1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UELlnda.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Bb6OpzN.jpg)
V1 USB Cutout
(https://i.imgur.com/B5DqcZN.jpg)
V2 USB Cutout
(https://i.imgur.com/rFb3BGT.jpg)
V2 vs V1 Corner

Note: The V1 prototype fillet more smooth comparing V2 prototype, I am considering to amend the changes in the final prototype with V1 top case fillet with V2 corners.

Albums:
Fusion360 screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/jOdY82v
Proto V1:
https://imgur.com/a/3E76Crq
Render:
https://imgur.com/a/Yvz9o2f
Proto V2
https://imgur.com/a/FkFHuB5

Price:
~400 USD for 200 MOQ.
Notes: I want to target a higher MOQ than 100 to reduce the price as for now the I am aiming below 420 USD and price is subject to change (~~Manu DDS~~).

Vendors:
Clickclack.io, SKME, Typo! Works, and more to come :thumb:.

Case Colors
(Silver, Grey, Black, Green, Blue & Red).
Aluminum Plate Colors
(Silver, Red or Black).

What's included:
Aluminum top & bottom case.
Plate of choice (Aluminum, PC and PP).
2 Through brass weights.
Soldered or Hot-swap PCB of choice.
UDB (unified daughter board) + JST cable
Screws (extra included).
Mounting pads + bottom buttons.
Hard carrying case.
TX AP Clip-in Stabs of choice (Normal or Long Pole).

Special Thanks to!
Special thanks to MENA server, Dark, Blacksimon & Masje.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Thebloodyez on Sun, 02 July 2023, 17:27:59

Updates:

- 08/28/2023: Added Caps_lock & Num_lock LED indicators (PCB V2 is ready for prototype).
- 10/28/2023: 3D bottom button mold V1 is printed (Will opensource it after GB).
- 11/18/2023: Ordered Prototype V2 along with PC pads, Different materials test still pending.
- Added extra mounting to top of the plate.
- Changed three internal weights into two internal through weight.
- Changed the USB cutout from "The House" to "Fuji Mountain".
- No Changes done for USB placement.
- 02/11/2023: TX AP clip-ins stabilizers are included in the kit, Renders added to post.
- 04/26/2024: Added pictures of Solder PCB.

(https://i.imgur.com/khVXBpL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IFkSLRx.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Rhienfo on Mon, 03 July 2023, 01:13:59

Looks interesting, bottom mount and alps compatibility is so good to see (10u spacebar is awesome as well)

Good luck with the IC

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: hormonesvest on Mon, 03 July 2023, 02:59:21

Keyboards usually come in different sizes and functions

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: masje on Mon, 03 July 2023, 23:00:00

Very cool mount! Do you have a discord where we can join?

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: doctorboy on Tue, 04 July 2023, 07:48:37

Very cool project. The bottom mount looks quite interesting, I believe it should provide some bounce, right? Do you also already have some colours in mind?

Two recommendations from my side:
- personally, I would prefer to have the USB port centralised;
- I would also like to see the adoption of the new Molex connector for the USB daughterboard, it would be better for future compatibility.

Good luck with the IC.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Thebloodyez on Tue, 04 July 2023, 10:02:36

Quote from: masje on Mon, 03 July 2023, 23:00:00

Very cool mount! Do you have a discord where we can join?

Greetings to the longest of all bois ;D.
Thank you for your interest in the project, I added my discord in the update section.
Feel free to join!.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Thebloodyez on Tue, 04 July 2023, 10:10:00

Quote from: doctorboy on Tue, 04 July 2023, 07:48:37

Very cool project. The bottom mount looks quite interesting, I believe it should provide some bounce, right? Do you also already have some colours in mind?

Two recommendations from my side:
- personally, I would prefer to have the USB port centralised;
- I would also like to see the adoption of the new Molex connector for the USB daughterboard, it would be better for future compatibility.

Good luck with the IC.

- I am sending the proto V1 for testing to get a feedback but yes there is bounce.
- As for colors I added in the IC form so based on that I will have in mind but I can see people want Silver and Black so far.
- I am considering central usb also Molex connector.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Theman2k on Tue, 04 July 2023, 13:05:59

Not feeling this at all right now.
USB placement and cutout, mounting placement, bottom screws placement doesn't seem as good as it could be.
There is alps support.. but is there a matching plate offering for it?
No word on keyboard weight and PCB indicator LED's either.
No option for a thinner PCB with flex cuts for anyone who would like it.
Design is subjective, but for me it just seems bland.

Price sounds fine and it comes with a hard case which is a plus from me.
I also like the layout support, 10u is great!
I really want to like this (I love big boards) but I feel it needs some more work. :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: aa212121 on Tue, 04 July 2023, 13:42:03

Quote from: Theman2k on Tue, 04 July 2023, 13:05:59

Not feeling this at all right now.
USB placement and cutout, mounting placement, bottom screws placement doesn't seem as good as it could be.
There is alps support.. but is there a matching plate offering for it?
No word on keyboard weight and PCB indicator LED's either.
No option for a thinner PCB with flex cuts for anyone who would like it.
Design is subjective, but for me it just seems bland.

Price sounds fine and it comes with a hard case which is a plus from me.
I also like the layout support, 10u is great!
I really want to like this (I love big boards) but I feel it needs some more work. :thumb:

Hope u filled out the IC :)
I guess the USB db cutout will help reduce cost cuz then it is the same 3 brass weights not 2 same weights+1 weight with db cutout - thats why no center usb. my guess.

I didnt realise this up till now, it is bottom mount? i couldnt quite understand how the current structure works with btm mount but ive been wanting a seamed case with btm mount!

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: paulgali on Wed, 05 July 2023, 00:15:07

Quote from: aa212121 on Tue, 04 July 2023, 13:42:03

Quote from: Theman2k on Tue, 04 July 2023, 13:05:59
Not feeling this at all right now.
USB placement and cutout, mounting placement, bottom screws placement doesn't seem as good as it could be.
There is alps support.. but is there a matching plate offering for it?
No word on keyboard weight and PCB indicator LED's either.
No option for a thinner PCB with flex cuts for anyone who would like it.
Design is subjective, but for me it just seems bland.

Price sounds fine and it comes with a hard case which is a plus from me.
I also like the layout support, 10u is great!
I really want to like this (I love big boards) but I feel it needs some more work. :thumb:
Hope u filled out the IC :)
I guess the USB db cutout will help reduce cost cuz then it is the same 3 brass weights not 2 same weights+1 weight with db cutout - thats why no center usb. my guess.
I didnt realise this up till now, it is bottom mount? i couldnt quite understand how the current structure works with btm mount but ive been wanting a seamed case with btm mount!

Both top and bottom mount afaik, to be honest with the 4 point mount on alphas I really wanna see what bottom feels like. Should be good imo

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Thebloodyez on Fri, 17 November 2023, 17:13:53

Quote from: paulgali on Wed, 05 July 2023, 00:15:07

Quote from: aa212121 on Tue, 04 July 2023, 13:42:03
Quote from: Theman2k on Tue, 04 July 2023, 13:05:59
Not feeling this at all right now.
USB placement and cutout, mounting placement, bottom screws placement doesn't seem as good as it could be.
There is alps support.. but is there a matching plate offering for it?
No word on keyboard weight and PCB indicator LED's either.
No option for a thinner PCB with flex cuts for anyone who would like it.
Design is subjective, but for me it just seems bland.

Price sounds fine and it comes with a hard case which is a plus from me.
I also like the layout support, 10u is great!
I really want to like this (I love big boards) but I feel it needs some more work. :thumb:
Hope u filled out the IC :)
I guess the USB db cutout will help reduce cost cuz then it is the same 3 brass weights not 2 same weights+1 weight with db cutout - thats why no center usb. my guess.
I didnt realise this up till now, it is bottom mount? i couldnt quite understand how the current structure works with btm mount but ive been wanting a seamed case with btm mount!

Both top and bottom mount afaik, to be honest with the 4 point mount on alphas I really wanna see what bottom feels like. Should be good imo

Due to the demand of softer material plates I included a new mounting point to the case V2.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: VXQN on Mon, 20 November 2023, 04:17:41

When using bottom mount, what stops the plate from shifting laterally? I have TKL that uses an o-ring mount and it's possible for the pcb/plate to hit the case which results in annoying sounds...

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Thebloodyez on Mon, 20 November 2023, 05:09:42

Quote from: VXQN on Mon, 20 November 2023, 04:17:41

When using bottom mount, what stops the plate from shifting laterally? I have TKL that uses an o-ring mount and it's possible for the pcb/plate to hit the case which results in annoying sounds...

The bottom button "Head" will stop the PCB from hitting the case and the "Leg" will seal the plate from shacking. A shaking & hard bottoming out test had been done already with V1. However due to softer plate materials I added another mounting point to the top to avoid PCP with PC\POM plates from flexing and bottoming out with the case.

Note that I am still testing and waiting for proto V2 so I could do the same tests as above ;D.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: krautcat on Wed, 29 November 2023, 02:27:11

NeXT ADB-esque layout is lit. :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Thebloodyez on Wed, 29 November 2023, 11:24:06

Quote from: krautcat on Wed, 29 November 2023, 02:27:11

NeXT ADB-esque layout is lit. :thumb:

I might consider "End" blocker ;)

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100
Post by: Thebloodyez on Mon, 25 December 2023, 14:07:11

I am offering a Hotswap PCB as an option!.
please check out IC Form (https://forms.gle/avtXgEps54YrTH8p6) for more feedback.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 (Added Renders!)
Post by: Thebloodyez on Sat, 10 February 2024, 15:16:09

Renders Added :thumb:.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 (Added Renders!)
Post by: masje on Wed, 14 February 2024, 23:52:27

Quote from: Thebloodyez on Sat, 10 February 2024, 15:16:09

Renders Added :thumb:.

Renders looking hot brother!! Excited to see this :)

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 (Added Renders!)
Post by: Thebloodyez on Thu, 15 February 2024, 03:14:52

Quote from: masje on Wed, 14 February 2024, 23:52:27

Quote from: Thebloodyez on Sat, 10 February 2024, 15:16:09
Renders Added :thumb:.

Renders looking hot brother!! Excited to see this :)

Thanks brother. I am excited too.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Handke on Thu, 15 February 2024, 08:38:10

no function keys... you call it 100?

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 15 February 2024, 20:27:31

NeXT layout based

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Thebloodyez on Wed, 06 March 2024, 01:02:23

Quote from: Handke on Thu, 15 February 2024, 08:38:10

no function keys... you call it 100?

Its a 100 FRL ;D.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Thebloodyez on Wed, 06 March 2024, 01:06:17

Quote from: Rob27shred on Thu, 15 February 2024, 20:27:31

NeXT layout based

I really like the NeXT layout specially if u pair it with 10U spacebar.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Necrolegion on Wed, 06 March 2024, 14:06:37

Any chance to add a dirty South Paw version with the numpads on the left side?

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Thebloodyez on Fri, 15 March 2024, 18:32:49

Quote from: Necrolegion on Wed, 06 March 2024, 14:06:37

Any chance to add a dirty South Paw version with the numpads on the left side?

Unfortunately it wont be possible for this project :'(.

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Dmitri on Sat, 16 March 2024, 09:49:36

Longboi

Title: Re: [IC] QFRL100 - V2 Prototype Pictures
Post by: Thebloodyez on Sat, 27 April 2024, 04:36:08

Solder PCB Updated!