GMK has the original cherry ABS tooling
And IIRC BSP had the PBT tooling
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I'm pulling a puddsy but I think BSP still makes blanks but they don't do dyesub, you have to get someone else to do that part.GMK has the original cherry ABS tooling
And IIRC BSP had the PBT tooling
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Had the tooling what happen to it? Is it sold off or destroyed?
I'm pulling a puddsy but I think BSP still makes blanks but they don't do dyesub, you have to get someone else to do that part.GMK has the original cherry ABS tooling
And IIRC BSP had the PBT tooling
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Had the tooling what happen to it? Is it sold off or destroyed?
And I don't think their pbt tooling is exactly the same, perhaps it all hasn't survived all these years?? (since I've seen BSP sets with wonky caps before, but pbt seems harder to get right anyway.)
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
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Nice :thumb: :)I'm pulling a puddsy but I think BSP still makes blanks but they don't do dyesub, you have to get someone else to do that part.GMK has the original cherry ABS tooling
And IIRC BSP had the PBT tooling
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Had the tooling what happen to it? Is it sold off or destroyed?
And I don't think their pbt tooling is exactly the same, perhaps it all hasn't survived all these years?? (since I've seen BSP sets with wonky caps before, but pbt seems harder to get right anyway.)
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
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not to puddsy your puddsy
bsp stopped making cherry caps a year or two ago
gmk DOES have the OG tooling, it was sold to christoph's father after they decommissioned it, and afaik it has been upgraded over the years
the PBT tooling sees no use at the moment, and there were issues with BSP anyway
Nice :thumb: :)I'm pulling a puddsy but I think BSP still makes blanks but they don't do dyesub, you have to get someone else to do that part.GMK has the original cherry ABS tooling
And IIRC BSP had the PBT tooling
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Had the tooling what happen to it? Is it sold off or destroyed?
And I don't think their pbt tooling is exactly the same, perhaps it all hasn't survived all these years?? (since I've seen BSP sets with wonky caps before, but pbt seems harder to get right anyway.)
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
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not to puddsy your puddsy
bsp stopped making cherry caps a year or two ago
gmk DOES have the OG tooling, it was sold to christoph's father after they decommissioned it, and afaik it has been upgraded over the years
the PBT tooling sees no use at the moment, and there were issues with BSP anyway
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That is a very good question. You would think the community would have spotted some in the wild by now.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
I heard SP makes them for secret military projects. :shiftyeyes:That is a very good question. You would think the community would have spotted some in the wild by now.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
That is a very good question. You would think the community would have spotted some in the wild by now.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
Does Cherry not make any key caps themselves anymore? If they do, then they still either have their PBT molds or made new ones, since their light grey keyboards come with PBT key caps.
Logickeyboard is the new name for BSP post-acquisition.That is a very good question. You would think the community would have spotted some in the wild by now.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
GMK makes POS caps, and BSP is a dutch (i think) company that has rebranded and also makes POS caps in other profiles
cannot for the life of me remember the name of BSP's new nameDoes Cherry not make any key caps themselves anymore? If they do, then they still either have their PBT molds or made new ones, since their light grey keyboards come with PBT key caps.
they do, they are POM lasered
linus took a tour of their factory a few years back
Cherry POM keycaps are so good that I've stopped looking for alternatives.
Yes, I hate the lasered lettering, but I've faded and scratched it to make it smooth, and now it feels great.
POM is the best material that I've tried, if it isn't the same for you, it means that you didn't try it long enough. :)) :))
I've used for a very long time and it doesn't show a little bit of shine.
It doesn't feel dry like pbt.
It sounds great, very similar to ABS, it doesn't have the high pitch of PBT.
It's just perfect.
Hold up.
So we've got BSP that had tools for making keycaps out of PBT, this makes me wonder...
What "BSP" stands for?
Where are "Gateron PBT" in all of this?
Sorry for being intrusive, learning.
That is a very good question. You would think the community would have spotted some in the wild by now.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
GMK makes POS caps, and BSP is a dutch (i think) company that has rebranded and also makes POS caps in other profiles
cannot for the life of me remember the name of BSP's new nameDoes Cherry not make any key caps themselves anymore? If they do, then they still either have their PBT molds or made new ones, since their light grey keyboards come with PBT key caps.
they do, they are POM lasered
linus took a tour of their factory a few years back
That is a very good question. You would think the community would have spotted some in the wild by now.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?
GMK makes POS caps, and BSP is a dutch (i think) company that has rebranded and also makes POS caps in other profiles
cannot for the life of me remember the name of BSP's new nameDoes Cherry not make any key caps themselves anymore? If they do, then they still either have their PBT molds or made new ones, since their light grey keyboards come with PBT key caps.
they do, they are POM lasered
linus took a tour of their factory a few years back
I understand they are supposed to make POS boards. But where are they all? With cherry profile doubleshots??
It's a real shame no one can/is using the og cherry pbt tooling to make blanks at least...
I understand they are supposed to make POS boards. But where are they all? With cherry profile doubleshots??
It's a real shame no one can/is using the og cherry pbt tooling to make blanks at least...
they stopped doing it because we stopped paying for it
This is what I understand so far:
- Cherry originally made their own keycaps as well as keyboards and switches
- Cherry sold their PBT tooling to BSP, a Dutch company, who no longer does PBT at all and now sells products branded as Logickeyboard
- After BSP decommissioned the Cherry tooling, they sold it to one of the GMK founders (?)
- Gateron makes PBT blanks, which were originally (but not currently) used for EnjoyPBT keycaps; they have their own molds (as do NPKC et al)
Is that right?I understand they are supposed to make POS boards. But where are they all? With cherry profile doubleshots??
Someone on Discord said that you'll see GMK if you go to any office park in Europe. Not sure what exactly they meant but apparently it's pretty common.It's a real shame no one can/is using the og cherry pbt tooling to make blanks at least...
they stopped doing it because we stopped paying for it
Were Cherry-made PBT keycaps ever sold to the enthusiast community?
It's a real shame no one can/is using the og cherry pbt tooling to make blanks at least...
they stopped doing it because we stopped paying for it
ABS and PBT are two separate things, from my understanding
ABS and PBT are two separate things, from my understanding
Unfortunately if this thread has taught us anything they are the same thing and it's ok to just make things up as we go.
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Oh and apparently we can't have any iso keycaps in any group buys anymore because gmk used them all up for offices in europe.ABS and PBT are two separate things, from my understanding
Unfortunately if this thread has taught us anything they are the same thing and it's ok to just make things up as we go.
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Numpads are not allowed either!!!111!Oh and apparently we can't have any iso keycaps in any group buys anymore because gmk used them all up for offices in europe.ABS and PBT are two separate things, from my understanding
Unfortunately if this thread has taught us anything they are the same thing and it's ok to just make things up as we go.
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Exactly, because who in their right mind would ever take the shortcut of typing only a couple digits like 1 or 2 when you can use your keyboard more and type one or two. (In case nobody knows that why in excel you can change cell formats so you don't have to use the number pad for numbers you can use words.)Numpads are not allowed either!!!111!Oh and apparently we can't have any iso keycaps in any group buys anymore because gmk used them all up for offices in europe.ABS and PBT are two separate things, from my understanding
Unfortunately if this thread has taught us anything they are the same thing and it's ok to just make things up as we go.
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Imsto did some BSP group buys. Search and you will find them.It's a real shame no one can/is using the og cherry pbt tooling to make blanks at least...
they stopped doing it because we stopped paying for it
Is there an example of an og cherry mold pbt group buy that didn't make it/failed somehow?
Seems like from other commentors above the pbt molds were decommissioned. I wonder if they're around somewhere awaiting to be repaired and a production line started up again.
Imsto did some BSP group buys. Search and you will find them.It's a real shame no one can/is using the og cherry pbt tooling to make blanks at least...
they stopped doing it because we stopped paying for it
Is there an example of an og cherry mold pbt group buy that didn't make it/failed somehow?
Seems like from other commentors above the pbt molds were decommissioned. I wonder if they're around somewhere awaiting to be repaired and a production line started up again.
Can anyone confirm the enjoypbt currently does or doesn't use gateron blanks?
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Anthony also said so in his Hammer CRP unboxing.Imsto did some BSP group buys. Search and you will find them.It's a real shame no one can/is using the og cherry pbt tooling to make blanks at least...
they stopped doing it because we stopped paying for it
Is there an example of an og cherry mold pbt group buy that didn't make it/failed somehow?
Seems like from other commentors above the pbt molds were decommissioned. I wonder if they're around somewhere awaiting to be repaired and a production line started up again.
Can anyone confirm the enjoypbt currently does or doesn't use gateron blanks?
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The other day on Discord Zeal said that they hadn't been Gateron for years.
It's getting more and more intresting.You can still buy a set made by BSP.
I thought that EnjoyPBT sets are "up to date" made from Gateron PBT keycaps as a foundation.
So, Gateron was never the owner of "Cherry PBT Tooling" - are they making keycaps by themselves?
PBT, Cherry Profile, thickness of 1.5mm - that's quite a keycap.
Following question is, who makes keycaps for ePBT?
"BSP Europe bought up PBT tooling, which is now decommissioned." - Does anyone of you have a PBT set? How's the quality?
NPKC seems to be a fair budget choice, stepping up, we have mentioned ePBT - is there something worth looking besides ePBT in mid-budget range?
is there something worth looking besides ePBT in mid-budget range?
You can still buy a set made by BSP.
https://www.originativeco.com/products/bsp-classic-beige?variant=359429831
I'm really thankful to all of you.
Big thanks to you - tex_live_utility, for confirming me, NPKC seems to be the right budget option, as i said before.
You can still buy a set made by BSP.
https://www.originativeco.com/products/bsp-classic-beige?variant=359429831
I'm confused - paying 160$ for a TKL PBT set, even though it's BSP made, appears to be kind of questionable, so to speak.
I would love to read an opinion from long-term holder.
A lot of spheres in keyboards community, are nothing but pumping ballons and hopping on hype-trains, that's why im so demanding.
"Price-quality" value, is a principle.
I'm really thankful to all of you.
Big thanks to you - tex_live_utility, for confirming me, NPKC seems to be the right budget option, as i said before.
You can still buy a set made by BSP.
https://www.originativeco.com/products/bsp-classic-beige?variant=359429831
I'm confused - paying 160$ for a TKL PBT set, even though it's BSP made, appears to be kind of questionable, so to speak.
I would love to read an opinion from long-term holder.
A lot of spheres in keyboards community, are nothing but pumping ballons and hopping on hype-trains, that's why im so demanding.
"Price-quality" value, is a principle.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?Examples of GMK boards would be WEYTEC & Siemens Unity 2.
BSP tooling is NOT the original Cherry thick PBT tooling. Anybody saying this has no idea what they're talking about. The profile is the same, but the moulds are not the same. Different texture, different undersides, F/J with nipples only, no spacebar and the right shift is short, thin and bendy.
As far as we know, the original Cherry thick PBT tooling was not sold on to any other company (at least, not one that still exists today). GMK doubleshots are the only keycaps made today that use original Cherry tooling.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?Examples of GMK boards would be WEYTEC & Siemens Unity 2.
The most well known and common keyboard which has BSP keycaps are the Desko keyboards. Desko RGBs were made by BSP along with the other dyesubbed keycaps on those boards.
What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?Examples of GMK boards would be WEYTEC & Siemens Unity 2.
The most well known and common keyboard which has BSP keycaps are the Desko keyboards. Desko RGBs were made by BSP along with the other dyesubbed keycaps on those boards.
I spotted some Desko boards at the Charleston Airport in SC last month. Thought I would share that lol.
I'm sorry for spreading bad info. You're right. Although the multiple BSP sets I've had weren't that bad, re: right Shift.The right shift isn't too severe, it's just one of those things that becomes aggravating once you've noticed it (for me anyway). BSP right shift is about 50.3mm long, OG dyesub is about 51.2mm long. Small difference, but the 0.45mm deficit on each side is definitely noticeable and annoying. OG dyesub right shift is 1.5mm thick, BSP is 1.25mm - nothing huge there. It's the bendiness of the top surface when compared to other BSP caps that I notice the most though..
Ne Cherry tooling avail :pepehands:
I'm sorry for spreading bad info. You're right. Although the multiple BSP sets I've had weren't that bad, re: right Shift.The right shift isn't too severe, it's just one of those things that becomes aggravating once you've noticed it (for me anyway). BSP right shift is about 50.3mm long, OG dyesub is about 51.2mm long. Small difference, but the 0.45mm deficit on each side is definitely noticeable and annoying. OG dyesub right shift is 1.5mm thick, BSP is 1.25mm - nothing huge there. It's the bendiness of the top surface when compared to other BSP caps that I notice the most though..
Ne Cherry tooling avail :pepehands:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Kpjur7X.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QxSm0YO.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cu5bUkl.png)
It's been a while since I had a full BSP set. My main complaints were texture and the nipple F/Js.
I'm sorry for spreading bad info. You're right. Although the multiple BSP sets I've had weren't that bad, re: right Shift.The right shift isn't too severe, it's just one of those things that becomes aggravating once you've noticed it (for me anyway). BSP right shift is about 50.3mm long, OG dyesub is about 51.2mm long. Small difference, but the 0.45mm deficit on each side is definitely noticeable and annoying. OG dyesub right shift is 1.5mm thick, BSP is 1.25mm - nothing huge there. It's the bendiness of the top surface when compared to other BSP caps that I notice the most though..
Ne Cherry tooling avail :pepehands:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Kpjur7X.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QxSm0YO.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cu5bUkl.png)
It's been a while since I had a full BSP set. My main complaints were texture and the nipple F/Js.
btw I'm referring to the limited edition models that were only available in the asian market some years ago.I'm sure myoth was as well.
my uncle works at cherry and he says he's gonna ban u guys from cherry boards if u keep spreading misinformation
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What I want to know is who GMK and BSP make caps for regularly. Like where are these industrial/commercial keyboards using these nice keycaps?