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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #100 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 00:06:32 »
That keyboard is adorable.  I want it :)
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #101 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 00:19:39 »
That board is fantastic.  Any more info on it? Labels, FCC ID, etc?

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #102 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 00:29:12 »
So I overheard this beauty on skype and want to feel the majesty.  Any way I can join at the end?

Ditto.

Is it too late to join this tour?  Hadn't heard of it until now.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #103 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 00:43:43 »
Well, these came with Complicated Blues.  It's more like a QFR-style TK than a TKL though.

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It seems to be very rare as I can't find any info on it on the net.
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What keyboard is this?

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #104 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 02:33:21 »
That board is fantastic.  Any more info on it? Labels, FCC ID, etc?

It's a Focus FK-767 (FSQ4VYFK-767) from 1988.  It came from a bank, so it might have been a teller keyboard.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #105 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 03:14:56 »
That board is fantastic.  Any more info on it? Labels, FCC ID, etc?

It's a Focus FK-767 (FSQ4VYFK-767) from 1988.  It came from a bank, so it might have been a teller keyboard.

According to the pictures in this thread, the FK-767 has Cyan Omron switches. DT Wiki says they should feel like Orange Omrons.  I'm not sure how they feel; don't know what Omrons feel like.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #106 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 03:23:18 »

That board is fantastic.  Any more info on it? Labels, FCC ID, etc?

It's a Focus FK-767 (FSQ4VYFK-767) from 1988.  It came from a bank, so it might have been a teller keyboard.

According to the pictures in this thread, the FK-767 has Cyan Omron switches. DT Wiki says they should feel like Orange Omrons.  I'm not sure how they feel; don't know what Omrons feel like.

One, you should have been asleep hours ago!

Two, omrons are so clicky delicious! What I wouldn't give for them to be more alps compatible for switch transplants.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 04:11:23 »
That board is fantastic.  Any more info on it? Labels, FCC ID, etc?

It's a Focus FK-767 (FSQ4VYFK-767) from 1988.  It came from a bank, so it might have been a teller keyboard.

According to the pictures in this thread, the FK-767 has Cyan Omron switches. DT Wiki says they should feel like Orange Omrons.  I'm not sure how they feel; don't know what Omrons feel like.

Nice find, though the back-slash key is a different colour.  The switches on this one do appear to be Alps though ('scuse the crappy pic):



I have another old board with yellow? Omrons - very stiff and very clicky.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #108 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 14:07:07 »
Well, these came with Complicated Blues.  It's more like a QFR-style TK than a TKL though.

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It seems to be very rare as I can't find any info on it on the net.


It's a Focus FK-767 (FSQ4VYFK-767) from 1988.  It came from a bank, so it might have been a teller keyboard.


That model is interesting, since my focus is a FK-747A and it looks like this:
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #109 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 15:43:52 »
So I overheard this beauty on skype and want to feel the majesty.  Any way I can join at the end?

Ditto.

Is it too late to join this tour?  Hadn't heard of it until now.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #110 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 17:17:49 »
Keyboard arrived at my door today.  Looks like a great board.  I cannot wait to try it out!
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #111 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 17:33:19 »
I sure am glad I got a baggie full of blue Alps switches before all you guys start trolling ebay!
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #112 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 17:49:24 »
Not sure how I missed this until now.  I'd like to get in if possible.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #113 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 21:34:39 »
Not sure how I missed this until now.  I'd like to get in if possible.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #114 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:29:06 »
Well, these came with Complicated Blues.  It's more like a QFR-style TK than a TKL though.

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It seems to be very rare as I can't find any info on it on the net.


It's a Focus FK-767 (FSQ4VYFK-767) from 1988.  It came from a bank, so it might have been a teller keyboard.


That model is interesting, since my focus is a FK-747A and it looks like this:

So it looks like the 767 was just a more compact version of the 747, putting the function keys above the keyboard instead, as I see yours has the same awkward positioning of the ESCape and Caps Lock keys.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #115 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 16:08:41 »
Alright here on my thoughts of the Northgate Omnikey 101 with Blue Alps.  I have taken many clicky and non-clicky Alps for a ride over the past couple years.  With full confidence, I can attest that the Blue Alps on this particular keyboard have provided the most enjoyable Alps experience for me so far.  It was a clickity-smooth ride into magical Alps fantasy land.

First of all, I was very impressed with the quality of the keyboard.  This keyboard had a solid metal bottom, thick and firm legs, and a thick plastic top.  Unlike most keyboards manufacturers, Northgate had durability in mind when they made this keyboard.  The Omnikey also had this cool little door in the upper left corner that gave access to the DIP switches.  I had idea what these DIP switches do, but one of the guides linked in CPTBadAss's review of the keyboard probably could help you out if you are that curious.  http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54201.0

Most Alps switches take more force to actuate than a Cherry Brown or Blue switch, and I have always preferred the Alps switches on the lighter end of the spectrum, such as Orange Alps and the white and blue SMK switches (aka Monterey Blue).  All of the clicky Alps I have tried, including Black Alps, White Alps, and the more recent Matias clicky switch, are noticeably heavy and can get tiring during a long session.  The Blue Alps, on the other hand, can be pushed, poked, prodded, and pounded for a lengthy period without the same fatigue I expect from other clicky Alps sessions.

The click in the Blue Alps also takes on a different feeling than other Alps clicky switches.  Next to me as I type this is the Matias Mini Tactile Pro, along with the few White Alps switches Akimbo left in the Omnikey 101.  This might sound ridiculous, but the Blue Alps click seems to resonate more and produce a higher pitch than the other clicky switches.  The click in most Alps switches sounds subdued to me compared to Cherry Blue and buckling spring, but these Blue Alps let their click be known.  I love it.

If I could compared the Blue Alps to any other switch, it would be the Monterey Blue.  Both are light, clicky, and pleasantly tactile compared to other Alps-mount switches.  In the end, I give the Blue Alps the edge because they have a sturdier feeling than the Monterey Blue, which is my only complaint about that particular switch.  Blue Alps are in a class of their own.

Overall, I feel like I can glide over the keys while typing with this keyboard, which in a rare feeling for me, but the desired feeling.  When I push its buttons, the keyboard pushes mine back.  And boy, does it feel good.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #116 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 16:39:56 »
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I've not heard a single bad word about these switches yet, and every review makes me more and more excited to try them out  :thumb:

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #117 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 17:28:00 »
wow this is amazing.  I didn't realize the community did such a thing.  I'm building something of my own (which I hope to share soooooon!) Perhaps I will have the community try out my board and get their feedback.

In the meanwhile, this is pretty neat!  cool guys!
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #118 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 17:35:32 »
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I've not heard a single bad word about these switches yet, and every review makes me more and more excited to try them out  :thumb:

I do have one bad word.  I like buckling springs more.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #119 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 17:45:59 »
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I've not heard a single bad word about these switches yet, and every review makes me more and more excited to try them out  :thumb:

I do have one bad word.  I like buckling springs more.


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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #120 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 18:20:20 »
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I've not heard a single bad word about these switches yet, and every review makes me more and more excited to try them out  :thumb:

I do have one bad word.  I like buckling springs more.

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Just capacitive.  The jury is still out on membrane buckling springs.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #121 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 18:33:42 »

Just capacitive.  The jury is still out on membrane buckling springs.

I just did a successful bolt-mod on a 1390131 that is about as good as it gets with a Model M.

It was interesting and different, and I certainly appreciate that the Model M is "the one true keyboard" that brings together all the elements that make the modern keyboard what we know it as today.

But the Model F is still a very large cut above as far as awesomeness and feel are concerned.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #122 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 18:34:44 »

Just capacitive.  The jury is still out on membrane buckling springs.

I just did a successful bolt-mod on a 1390131 that is about as good as it gets with a Model M.

It was interesting and different, and I certainly appreciate that the Model M is "the one true keyboard" that brings together all the elements that make the modern keyboard what we know it as today.

But the Model F is still a very large cut above as far as awesomeness and feel are concerned.

There seems to be consensus about this. I won't be hesitating the next time I have the money and an AT is available…

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #123 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 18:44:02 »

Just capacitive.  The jury is still out on membrane buckling springs.

I just did a successful bolt-mod on a 1390131 that is about as good as it gets with a Model M.

It was interesting and different, and I certainly appreciate that the Model M is "the one true keyboard" that brings together all the elements that make the modern keyboard what we know it as today.

But the Model F is still a very large cut above as far as awesomeness and feel are concerned.

There seems to be consensus about this. I won't be hesitating the next time I have the money and an AT is available…

I know we are getting a bit off topic with this thread, but even among the Model F, the feel is different between the various models.  You have to try a few of them to really understand.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #124 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 19:43:08 »
I know we are getting a bit off topic with this thread, but even among the Model F, the feel is different between the various models.  You have to try a few of them to really understand.

Off topic is good. Please continue throwing people off the trail of Blue Alps so I can get a keyboard for cheap XD.

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« Reply #125 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 21:48:56 »
I know we are getting a bit off topic with this thread, but even among the Model F, the feel is different between the various models.  You have to try a few of them to really understand.

Off topic is good. Please continue throwing people off the trail of Blue Alps so I can get a keyboard for cheap XD.

Did I mention Blue Alps is garbage.  Don't get it.  Stick to Alps clones.  They are the best.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #126 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 22:18:14 »
[size=78%]Did I mention Blue Alps is garbage.  Don't get it.  Stick to Alps clones.  They are the best.[/size]

I still haven't tried Matias.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #127 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 22:30:29 »
How dare everyone defile my ALPs thread with buckling spring heathenry!


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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 15:07:24 »
Can anyone speak to the differences between blue alps types?

I know this thread is about a board with complicated blue alps... I saw a board for sale on mechmarket with monterey blue alps. On the DT wiki all I see is a single page about blue alps.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #129 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 15:15:01 »
monterey blue alps. On the DT wiki all I see is a single page about blue alps.

Monterey Blue Alps
Blue Alps

We're just using colloquial names for the switches.

Can anyone speak to the differences between Monterey blue and blue alps types?

SMK Monterey Blue Alps aren't as smooth and are much lighter. They also don't have the same bump that the SKCM Complicated Blue Alps have.

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« Reply #130 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 15:39:42 »
Ah, I see! Thank you much kind sir! ^_^
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #131 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 15:42:01 »
Ah, I see! Thank you much kind sir! ^_^

No worries :D. FWIW, I liked both switches a lot. I have a Siig Minitouch with Monterey Blues and I really like it. And I also loved Blue Alps switches. I posted a review a little earlier in this thread if you wanted to get more of my thoughts on Complicated Blue Alps.

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« Reply #132 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 15:45:17 »
Ah, I see! Thank you much kind sir! ^_^

No worries :D. FWIW, I liked both switches a lot. I have a Siig Minitouch with Monterey Blues and I really like it. And I also loved Blue Alps switches. I posted a review a little earlier in this thread if you wanted to get more of my thoughts on Complicated Blue Alps.

Oh yeah the whole reason I'm looking into the blue alps is because of your glowing review of the complicated version. They sound pretty sweet!
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 17:02:23 »
I got this today and I'm so in love with complicated blues and whites in a sturdy board like this that I'm getting a duck mini and a fk-2001 with complicated whites like yesterday.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 17:05:30 »
Please Matias, please come through with your 60% board so I'm not forced to do battle with tjcaustin and snipe a Mini V2 from him.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 17:21:13 »
Please Matias, please come through with your 60% board so I'm not forced to do battle with tjcaustin and snipe a Mini V2 from him.

Too bad I just bought one, sukka.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #136 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 17:22:08 »
***** I know where you live. We can still do battle. :P

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« Reply #137 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 17:23:46 »
***** I know where you live. We can still do battle. :P

Man, these headphones sure don't fit well in my ear, I guess I'll take a hammer to them.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #138 on: Wed, 12 February 2014, 17:27:46 »
***** I know where you live. We can still do battle. :P

Man, these headphones sure don't fit well in my ear, I guess I'll take a hammer to them.

hahaha

Let me know if you find any Blue Alps stuff?

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #139 on: Sat, 01 March 2014, 08:14:17 »
Is this tour still open? I'm an alps virgin and would absolutely love to try out some blue alps goodness! I live in MA.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #140 on: Wed, 05 March 2014, 07:44:37 »
Currently typing on this magnificent beast. This thing is truly unapologetic about its clickiness, similar in that regard to buckling springs. I'm very excited to spend more time with this keyboard and switch :).

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #141 on: Fri, 07 March 2014, 17:19:07 »
Time to crow about a project that has been simmering in my mind for 2 years, and is finally complete.

Although I was not a part of this tour, I have built pretty much the same keyboard, with help and advice from Akimbo along the way.

For me, the hardest part was getting the switches, and it took about a year and a half of ebay-ing before I got my hands on some, initially thanks to Akimbo (you can never thank this great guy enough).

Then I had to procure a recipient for my donor. First I put some into a Dell AT101, a very well-built, straight-ANSI board that I have used and loved, off and on, for many years. But although it felt great, it just did not ring my bell on every level (cough* aesthetics *cough).

Eventually, I found a Northgate Omnikey 101 and that did the trick. This magnificent keyboard is constructed on a par with my beloved IBM Model Fs, which cannot be said for any other conventional keyboard, in my experience.

So I cleaned it up thoroughly, sanded away the rust spots, painted the steel plate green (my trademark, since my name is Moss what else can I do?), transplanted the blue Alps (and used the less desirable whites for a dozen of my rarely-used keys to conserve "the good stuff"), lubed them very lightly with Krytox, and put it all back together.

This magnificent keyboard is everything I wanted it to be. It cost 2 years of waiting, nearly $300 in parts (I bought several second-tier pieces), and several hours at the work bench.

Sweet. Just sweet!
 
PS - Bob Tibbetts is wrong, there is a difference between blue and white, although it is subtle. However, if you don't want to break out the soldering iron, get a Northgate with white Alps and lube them, that is doggone close for a lot less time and money.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 12 March 2014, 12:55:00 »
Time to crow about a project that has been simmering in my mind for 2 years, and is finally complete.

Although I was not a part of this tour, I have built pretty much the same keyboard, with help and advice from Akimbo along the way.

For me, the hardest part was getting the switches, and it took about a year and a half of ebay-ing before I got my hands on some, initially thanks to Akimbo (you can never thank this great guy enough).

Then I had to procure a recipient for my donor. First I put some into a Dell AT101, a very well-built, straight-ANSI board that I have used and loved, off and on, for many years. But although it felt great, it just did not ring my bell on every level (cough* aesthetics *cough).

Eventually, I found a Northgate Omnikey 101 and that did the trick. This magnificent keyboard is constructed on a par with my beloved IBM Model Fs, which cannot be said for any other conventional keyboard, in my experience.

So I cleaned it up thoroughly, sanded away the rust spots, painted the steel plate green (my trademark, since my name is Moss what else can I do?), transplanted the blue Alps (and used the less desirable whites for a dozen of my rarely-used keys to conserve "the good stuff"), lubed them very lightly with Krytox, and put it all back together.

This magnificent keyboard is everything I wanted it to be. It cost 2 years of waiting, nearly $300 in parts (I bought several second-tier pieces), and several hours at the work bench.

Sweet. Just sweet!
 
PS - Bob Tibbetts is wrong, there is a difference between blue and white, although it is subtle. However, if you don't want to break out the soldering iron, get a Northgate with white Alps and lube them, that is doggone close for a lot less time and money.

Your modded board looks super clean fohat...good job!  Now that you've had a while to type on the Omnikey, what's your impressions on switch (capacitive BS versus blue ALPs) and chasis (IBM F vs. early model M vs Omnikey) differences?
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #143 on: Wed, 12 March 2014, 17:57:57 »

what's your impressions on switch (capacitive BS versus blue ALPs) and chasis (IBM F vs. early model M vs Omnikey) differences?


Of course these existential questions are of the type: Which is a better vehicle, a sports car or a pickup truck?

First, to be very picky and technical, let me reiterate that I do not believe that it is possible to hear or feel any difference between the "switch types" of IBM buckling springs - the activation of the electrical impulse happens underneath the "catastrophic" buckling of a spring which obliterates all other sounds and feelings - and that all of the perceived differences of between Model M and Model F are in the "chassis" which I would define as the entire frame system (including various internal plates as well as the outer case itself). I do, of course, believe that the capacitive switching system of the Model F is vastly superior in terms of durability, etc, but I don't think that humans can feel it.

That said, thousands of words have been expended here on M vs F so I won't beat that dead horse any further than to say that the multiple metal plates (2 of them in an interesting tension/compression relationship) in the Model F make it resonate ("sing") with a quality that I can only call "life" while the plastic barrel plate of the Model M makes any resonance it produces dull and lifeless in comparison. So, while the floss mod quiets (ie reduces the higher resonances and "ping") the buckling springs without "deadening" them, the M had little "life" to lose in the first place.

The Omnikey, like the Model F XT and F-122, has a metal case back. This case back is at least as thick as the Model F, and has a magnificent beige paint job that is probably very thick and baked on. This solid heavy back contributes to a very solid feel and sound. The case upper is very well made, but they do tend to yellow if you are unlucky. I do not care for the removable (and do not be tricked into imagining that a common male-male PS/2 cable can replace it) AT-type cable. I am going to fabricate some other cable options but that is for later. Suffice to say that the Northgate case, second only to old IBM cases, is the best I have ever had. But, I still drool over aluminum cases!

So, about those blue Alps switches. Naturally, there is a desire to compare them to all the other "clicky" switch types. In general, Alps activate high up, so that you have to give them a sharp snap at the top to get them moving, but then they seem to "fall away" afterwards. I consider this to be ideal for typing, since there is ample time to get off the key and bottoming out is rarely an issue. This, I believe, is why Alps are the best switches for typing, by far. And I like the clicky ones best, of course, but the orange ones are good.

What are the differences between blue Alps and white Alps, since there seems to be at least one set of specs that say they are the same?

Honestly, I think that the only substantial difference is weight (aka force) but the lighter blues seem somehow "crisper" because of their lighter touch. My experience with old-style complicated white Alps (on at least 3 different models and manufacturers of keyboards) is that whites are a relatively heavy switch, but that blues are considerably lighter. Other people have other opinions.

I gave these a quick light brush with Krytox, which is probably a good idea for almost any switch.

All in all, the upgrade to blue Alps is subtle but real, and valuable. However, for someone lacking in soldering skills, time, money, or motivation, buying an Omnikey 101 with white Alps and cleaning and lubing them is probably an excellent plan.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #144 on: Thu, 13 March 2014, 00:42:37 »
How is the shine on the omnikey caps? I was able to type on one for a bit, once, and that killed it for me. I just can't seem to stand the slipperyness. Once matias gets done with other caps design and manufacture, perhaps that can be fixed. How do you lube alps? People seem to do it in plenty of ways.

I kind of want to use the oranges in my M0116 as is once I'm done with it for a bit, but I'm also considering simply stealing a bunch of click leaves from a white alps I never use and creating an abomination identical to blues in every way (unless the click leaf design had changed as well).
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 13 March 2014, 02:49:51 »
I'm also considering simply stealing a bunch of click leaves from a white alps I never use and creating an abomination identical to blues in every way (unless the click leaf design had changed as well).
I need to inspect the click leaves of blue & white switches more closely, but note that the switch plate is definitely different between blue and white Alps, and there are some suggestions online that the blue switches had some dry lubricant added as well?

You can definitely use the orange Alps spring with the white switch (or the white click leaf with the orange switch – you get the same result either way, with a different slider color).

Personally I’m a big fan of: take the housing, slider, spring, and switch plate from dampened tactile cream Alps switch, and cut a few loops off the spring; add the click leaf from a white Alps switch, possibly bending the click leaf very slightly for a bit more click; add some lubricant to the metal bits that contact the slider, and maybe to the areas of contact between housing and slider.

The result has a weight comparable to blue Alps, but with an even nicer click (due to the slight bending), and otherwise no sound when the slider hits the bottom/top of the housing.

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #146 on: Thu, 13 March 2014, 08:49:59 »
How is the shine on the omnikey caps?

I have 2 of these. The one in the photo is great, the keys are in excellent condition.

The other one has very shiny keys. I will probably fix it up, lube the whites, and sell it. I have a few Alps-compatible sets of keys, but they will not be a perfect match and will lack various longer keys. I have not tried a set from an old Apple, but that might work pretty well.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 13 March 2014, 12:25:54 »
I have a few Alps-compatible sets of keys, but they will not be a perfect match and will lack various longer keys. I have not tried a set from an old Apple, but that might work pretty well.
Keycaps from an Extended Keyboard or Extended Keyboard II will work, except that the function row are all rotated 90°.

If you get one of the Alps-made versions of the Apple Design Keyboard, the caps should work. The keyboard is rubber domes, but the caps are nice thick dye-subbed PBT, cf. http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f8/apple-design-keyboard-made-by-alps-and-others-t7400.html

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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 13 March 2014, 13:47:38 »
If you get one of the Alps-made versions of the Apple Design Keyboard, the caps should work.

My experience is that the ones with detachable cables are Alps-compatible, and the ones with fixed cables are not.

And yes, those are good keys. I was hoping that things like Shift and Enter were going to work.
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Re: Blue Alps Tour!
« Reply #149 on: Thu, 13 March 2014, 14:15:23 »
If you get one of the Alps-made versions of the Apple Design Keyboard, the caps should work.
My experience is that the ones with detachable cables are Alps-compatible, and the ones with fixed cables are not.
All of the Apple Design Keyboards, M2980, have fixed cables as far as I know. The Alps ones can be distinguished by the shape of the case bottom as that Deskthority page explains, or by looking for ones made in the Czech Republic, the US, or Mexico. (The ones made in China or Thailand are various non-Alps rubber domes.)

The only part you’d have trouble with is the numpad; the Apple layout has 2 1x1 keys where a typical IBM layout puts the 2-unit-tall + key.