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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:26:25 »
sorry since it's been mentioned a few times, but I must reassure my interest in an international kit (and the set in general ofc) :)

Carbon had issues with the international kit on MD recently, so I think that that will be rough.
1. Carbon international succeeded, unlike ah so many ansi GMK sets before.
2. It had it unreasonably rough because base sets were not readily available at a reasonable price.

True, but nonetheless struggled to reach that number with over 1800 base sets sold. I'm aware of the circumstances :P but still, it struggled.
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:28:05 »
sorry since it's been mentioned a few times, but I must reassure my interest in an international kit (and the set in general ofc) :)

Carbon had issues with the international kit on MD recently, so I think that that will be rough.
1. Carbon international succeeded, unlike ah so many ansi GMK sets before.
2. It had it unreasonably rough because base sets were not readily available at a reasonable price.

True, but nonetheless struggled to reach that number with over 1800 base sets sold. I'm aware of the circumstances :P but still, it struggled.
300 USD is a great price for a GMK set ... and even at those odds it succeeded, making me think that there is more interest for international GMK than you give credit for.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #102 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:35:37 »
One more interested in international kit  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #103 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:53:47 »
I agree with JChan, and I doubt that the International kit unlocks (unless GMK exceptionally lowers the MOQ for just that kit like they have done with the Carbon Add-On). That being said, this is what I've been thinking:

  • Base kit Remains as it is or minor changes
  • Explorer kit Remains as it is or minor changes
  • New:Planck & Ergodox
  • New:Novelties (community novelties + Nautilus novelties)
  • New:Yellow Spacebars 6U, 6.25U and 7U
  • New:International kit: Nordic and German. It will have less keycaps than Carbon's as I want to make it more compact in order to get more people getting it.


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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #104 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:01:47 »
That sounds great, Zambumon - the yellow spacebars are a fantastic idea and the one that interests me the most, novelties and planck/ergo will surely sell very well too. Best of luck!

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #105 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:11:24 »
+1 for yellow spacebars

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #106 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:23:08 »
sorry since it's been mentioned a few times, but I must reassure my interest in an international kit (and the set in general ofc) :)

Carbon had issues with the international kit on MD recently, so I think that that will be rough.

This is very unjust, the reason Carbon had issues because it launched months after the original set, international people didn't had the opportunity to join the original GB

I think international people deserved their GMK spot

FYI, I personally have 0 interest in an international set - just setting the record straight

I mean, if an additional pack is added an as International Kit, does it hurt anyone?! - if it doesn't reach MOQ, it doesn't ...
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #107 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:24:53 »
+1 yellow spacebar  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #108 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 16:00:29 »
I agree with JChan, and I doubt that the International kit unlocks (unless GMK exceptionally lowers the MOQ for just that kit like they have done with the Carbon Add-On). That being said, this is what I've been thinking:

  • Base kit Remains as it is or minor changes
  • Explorer kit Remains as it is or minor changes
  • New:Planck & Ergodox
  • New:Novelties (community novelties + Nautilus novelties)
  • New:Yellow Spacebars 6U, 6.25U and 7U
  • New:International kit: Nordic and German. It will have less keycaps than Carbon's as I want to make it more compact in order to get more people getting it.

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Just dump UK to the international pool as well for a better chance of success.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 30 November 2016, 20:25:42 »
This set just keeps getting more and more appealing. Definitely interested by the yellow spacebars.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #110 on: Thu, 01 December 2016, 01:24:49 »
I agree with JChan, and I doubt that the International kit unlocks (unless GMK exceptionally lowers the MOQ for just that kit like they have done with the Carbon Add-On). That being said, this is what I've been thinking:

  • Base kit Remains as it is or minor changes
  • Explorer kit Remains as it is or minor changes
  • New:Planck & Ergodox
  • New:Novelties (community novelties + Nautilus novelties)
  • New:Yellow Spacebars 6U, 6.25U and 7U
  • New:International kit: Nordic and German. It will have less keycaps than Carbon's as I want to make it more compact in order to get more people getting it.

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YAY, int. Kit ftw! :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #111 on: Thu, 01 December 2016, 01:47:28 »
Regarding the discusion about an ISO Norde / Germany set:
Wodan did a great job breaking down the Key requirements for an advanced ISO-International Kit.
For details you could check his thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0

But the gist of it:
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35 Keys

Meanwhile I just keep on praying that one day I will get an GMK Set that I can use at work :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #112 on: Thu, 01 December 2016, 02:38:30 »
Regarding the discusion about an ISO Norde / Germany set:
Wodan did a great job breaking down the Key requirements for an advanced ISO-International Kit.
For details you could check his thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0

But the gist of it:
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35 Keys

Meanwhile I just keep on praying that one day I will get an GMK Set that I can use at work :)

Yes, please consider this.
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #113 on: Thu, 01 December 2016, 03:31:29 »
when the group buy start?

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #114 on: Thu, 01 December 2016, 14:44:54 »
Hmm, if you plan on keeping UK in the base set, please consider making  the international 'kit' a stand-alone one. I can help with the KLE draft if you don't have the time or interest to do it.
Unless the base set sells 1000+ units, it is likely to be cheaper for norde folk to buy a set specifically made for them instead of ansi+uk+norde keys.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #115 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 01:00:22 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #116 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 14:01:02 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks


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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #117 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 14:05:26 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #118 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 15:17:40 »
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Incredible. It's interesting how just the one key breathes so much life into the set - I appreciated it for its simplicity and contrasts from the get-go but I'm usually keen on a bit more flair to my sets, the yellow spacebar does exactly that. Turns what otherwise would've been a super sober set into something even better (for my taste). I'm so glad you're pondering adding them!

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #119 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 19:34:04 »
Hot damn that looks even better now. Awesome work.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #120 on: Fri, 02 December 2016, 23:44:29 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #121 on: Sat, 03 December 2016, 10:00:32 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?

It will be a separate kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #122 on: Sat, 03 December 2016, 10:45:18 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?

It will be a separate kit.

Can't wait. Soooo, any ETA ?  ;D
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[IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #123 on: Sat, 03 December 2016, 11:55:50 »
Oh man that render is NICE with the yellow spacebar! Great to see more GMK sets coming out that are a bit flashier.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #124 on: Sat, 03 December 2016, 12:16:15 »
Can we swap the yellows into the base kit :p


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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #125 on: Sun, 04 December 2016, 09:52:38 »
Can we swap the yellows into the base kit :p


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this. though if 6.25u yellow spacebar is already in the base kit, less ppl would buy the space bar kit itself. GMK Carbon as example, of ~2000 base kit sold, only 150 or so bought the space bar kit  :(

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #126 on: Sun, 04 December 2016, 11:12:44 »
Can we swap the yellows into the base kit :p


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this. though if 6.25u yellow spacebar is already in the base kit, less ppl would buy the space bar kit itself. GMK Carbon as example, of ~2000 base kit sold, only 150 or so bought the space bar kit  :(

A yellow spacebar compliments the set better

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #127 on: Mon, 05 December 2016, 08:04:47 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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neat! looks really really good :D Thx for tha fast fix-up :)
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 00:09:51 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #129 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 03:28:14 »
Would it be possible to get rid of  tertiary legends in the international kit, and only keep secondary ones like in the ANSI layout? Looks much cleaner and they only work for Windows, anyway. Or does GMK only have molds with tertiary legends available?

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #130 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 10:32:28 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?

It will be a separate kit.

will we get to see renders of the 'separate kit' ?

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #131 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 14:12:33 »
Yet another keycap set I don't need but must have :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #132 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 16:49:27 »
Pretty excited about this set. Probably would've been killer in SA but those wait times are reason enough for GMK. Plus GMK is more functional for me, SA just looks great. All around though, great colors and great work on using them properly on alphas and mods.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #133 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 17:05:01 »
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks

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Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?

It will be a separate kit.

will we get to see renders of the 'separate kit' ?

I'll try to render the new kits and update the webpage as soon as I can (I'm currently pretty busy with uni stuff).

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #134 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 17:07:51 »
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #135 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 05:58:28 »
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.

Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #136 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 06:09:30 »
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.

Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D

Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.

Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #137 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 06:50:25 »
Should the 1.75u R3 Control rather be in the Explorer kit instead of the base one? Looking at the layout compatibility list, the only one needing this cap is the MX HHKB layout. However, the rest of the required caps (1.75u Shift, 1u Fn, etc) are already in the Explorer kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #138 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 07:03:43 »
How does everyone feel about icon mods?
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #139 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 07:14:27 »
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.

Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D

Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.

Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.

Most people don't buy the kits, by splitting it up it becomes cheaper for most people. If you want to buy a kit, then yes it's more expensive because fewer of them are being produced.
But since the main set is much cheaper, more people will buy the main set, which means there's a higher chance that anything gets produced at all. And I say that as a person who always wants the ISO-Nordic kit, but I'm not going to force everybody else to also buy the ISO-Nordic kit (by including the kit in the main set) so I can have it cheaper

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #140 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 08:03:15 »
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.

Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D

Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.

Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.

Do not compare GMK Retro, which had 2 options per kit, and you needed Base Alphas($65) + True Retro Kit($60) + Pro Retro Modifiers($35)+ Numpad Kit ($35) to cover a Redscarf96 or full-sized Winkeyless ($195) with GMK Nautilus, where you can cover those board with a Base kit that will most likely be under the $110 and the Explorer kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #141 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 08:38:49 »
Hi, what is going to be the MOQ of the norde set, and is UK going to be moved there?

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #142 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 08:41:06 »
Hi, what is going to be the MOQ of the norde set, and is UK going to be moved there?

GMK MOQ is 150 units.

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #143 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 08:53:24 »
Hi, what is going to be the MOQ of the norde set, and is UK going to be moved there?

GMK MOQ is 150 units.
If you are going to keep UK in the main set, and are unable to negotiate a MOQ of less than 150, could you please consider making the norde kit a base kit replacement instead of an addon? It would reduce the cost immensely by removing about 35U worth of completely unnecessary keys and by reducing the amount of kits needed by one (I assume that sorting and setup fees are charged on a per kit basis).

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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #144 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 11:03:03 »
Thanks again for including UK ISO in the base set Zambumon, we really appreciate it :)

There's a difference between some people having the wrong legends, and some people literally not having the keys to fit on their keyboard when they use a standard layout and have bought a base set.

I will definitely buy it if ISO is in the base set but don't think I'll be able to afford it if it's a separate kit.

Separate base sets for each standard is an interesting idea, would it work in practice?
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #145 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 11:50:15 »
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.

Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D

Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.

Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.

Do not compare GMK Retro, which had 2 options per kit, and you needed Base Alphas($65) + True Retro Kit($60) + Pro Retro Modifiers($35)+ Numpad Kit ($35) to cover a Redscarf96 or full-sized Winkeyless ($195) with GMK Nautilus, where you can cover those board with a Base kit that will most likely be under the $110 and the Explorer kit.

This is too early to ask i think, but optimistically, do you know how much will the base kit cost if it reach highest moq ?
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #146 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:02:59 »
holy s. f. or whatever. definitely will join. i love the color combination. goodluck with this!
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #147 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:14:48 »
Thanks again for including UK ISO in the base set Zambumon, we really appreciate it :)

There's a difference between some people having the wrong legends, and some people literally not having the keys to fit on their keyboard when they use a standard layout and have bought a base set.

I will definitely buy it if ISO is in the base set but don't think I'll be able to afford it if it's a separate kit.

Separate base sets for each standard is an interesting idea, would it work in practice?
The synergy in norde region is so high, that it would be cheaper to have a separate base set even if the ansi base would reach 1000+ sold. The synergy is similar to ansi + uk, in which only minimal amount of keys is required to support additional locales (swe/fi + de + no + dk).

edit: added a mock-up of what I mean by norde base set replacement, it's missing numpad and the colours are horrible, but you get the idea. It should be about the same price as the ansi+uk base set, and as MOQ is still going to be 150 I don't see the point of doing it any other way.
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Re: [IC] GMK Nautilus
« Reply #148 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:15:30 »
How does everyone feel about icon mods?
Love icon-only mods, meh on mixed mods. And I'm told that GMK doesn't have the molds for a full set of icon-only mods so, personally, I don't see any point.

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« Reply #149 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:24:04 »
How does everyone feel about icon mods?
Love icon-only mods, meh on mixed mods. And I'm told that GMK doesn't have the molds for a full set of icon-only mods so, personally, I don't see any point.

Full icon modifiers are standard for some European layouts, HAD keyboards feature them. Molds, are available.