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"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 10:46:33 »
I expected a TP4 thread.  :eek:

Interesting read.

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 11:46:34 »
I'm conflicted on AI. On one had, I can't wait for the war against the machines. On the other hand, I want Lt. Commander Data as a friend.

Actually, that's not a conflicted feeling; it's a win-win. So, nevermind, bring on the AI!
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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 11:49:41 »
AI is composing music too..

David Cope - Experiments in Musical Intelligence
http://artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 12:22:04 »
TP was right...Terminator movie was right this whole time.


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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 19:57:37 »
"AI needs to be understood before it’s used" - defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

It is written that today's AI is nowhere near close to what would be required to take over the planet, but with little advances here and little advances there, one day an AI will arise that is sufficiently adept to start the takeover process.  And we might not even realise it has happened until after it is too late.
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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 20:13:49 »

"AI needs to be understood before it’s used"


"You believe in things you don't understand, and you suffer."  Stevie Wonder 1972
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 22:02:37 »
"AI needs to be understood before it’s used" - defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

It is written that today's AI is nowhere near close to what would be required to take over the planet, but with little advances here and little advances there, one day an AI will arise that is sufficiently adept to start the takeover process.  And we might not even realise it has happened until after it is too late.


I highly doubt it will be a -Take Over-.

A more realistic scenario would be,   we just hand ourselves over.

Because it's very unlikely that humans can solve our problems in the allotted time before the current extinction event run its course.

A machine child /god is still better than monkies running around killing themselves.

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 22:12:25 »
It's too late for us. It all started with coin operated beds, massage chairs, and automatic pianos. The holy trifecta of the robellion. Fact.

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 11 December 2017, 22:56:01 »
It's too late for us. It all started with coin operated beds, massage chairs, and automatic pianos. The holy trifecta of the robellion. Fact.

Wrong!  It's a bear.

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 06:30:11 »

"AI needs to be understood before it’s used"


"You believe in things you don't understand, and you suffer."  Stevie Wonder 1972


"I don't understand it any more than you do, but one thing I've learned is that you don't have to understand things for them to be."
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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 09:30:25 »
It's too late for us. It all started with coin operated beds, massage chairs, and automatic pianos. The holy trifecta of the robellion. Fact.

Wrong!  It's a bear.

Where bear?

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 09:55:32 »
Very interesting read indeed. I always throw this video into the mix whenever folks talk about the dangers of artificial intelligence. The problem isn't always as Hollywood makes it seem.

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 10:40:10 »
Bring on the matrix already..

I'd honestly prefer it.. assuming I get the 1.0.. and not the upgraded crappy matrix.

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 19:51:44 »

"AI needs to be understood before it’s used"


"You believe in things you don't understand, and you suffer."  Stevie Wonder 1972

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

And magic is something that you understand how to use, but not now it actually works, which it why it is magic.
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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 20:03:56 »

And magic is something that you understand how to use, but not now it actually works, which it why it is magic.


And now we are back to the existential Pink Panther question of whether the monkey is my employee or whether I am the monkey's employee.

The point of the article (and I wonder how many of the respondents to this thread actually read and understood it) is that without understanding how AI arrives at its decisions, we may becomes victims of biases that we would never have expected or predicted.

Asimov's (at first I typed Clarke's) early pre-computing benign "laws" although wonderful and prescient, are nevertheless hopelessly naive and unsophisticated in light of what we now know. Bill Joy might be closer in  https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/

Terminators and Cylons might well be what we will find in the future.

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 20:04:56 »

"AI needs to be understood before it’s used"


"You believe in things you don't understand, and you suffer."  Stevie Wonder 1972

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

And magic is something that you understand how to use, but not now it actually works, which it why it is magic.

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 01:21:37 »
> In NASA’s Jet Propolusion Lab, artificial intelligence...

"Propolusion"? LOL. Whoever copyread that could've used a bit of AI.

Dunno what you guys thing, but I don't see any reason, given technology's ever-accelerating nature, why we won't eventually be able to create computer brains (or create machines that created machines that created them) that equal and surpass human brains in complexity and computing ability.

We feel a certain vanity that our brains are still the most complex devices on the planet. But our intellectual limitations are what have—for now—prevented us from building something that surpasses us. Maybe we shouldn't feel so superior after all.
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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 18:01:17 »
"We used predictive keyboards trained on all seven books to ghostwrite this spellbinding new Harry Potter chapter"

http://botnik.org/content/harry-potter.html

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 18:44:29 »
"We used predictive keyboards trained on all seven books to ghostwrite this spellbinding new Harry Potter chapter"

http://botnik.org/content/harry-potter.html

never read more than 12 pages of the original.

Is this good ?

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 15 December 2017, 20:43:18 »
"We used predictive keyboards trained on all seven books to ghostwrite this spellbinding new Harry Potter chapter"

http://botnik.org/content/harry-potter.html

never read more than 12 pages of the original.

Is this good ?

Maybe ask microsoft windows? He might know.

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 21 December 2017, 20:04:14 »
"We used predictive keyboards trained on all seven books to ghostwrite this spellbinding new Harry Potter chapter"

http://botnik.org/content/harry-potter.html

never read more than 12 pages of the original.

Is this good ?

Maybe ask microsoft windows? He might know.

They don't use Windows 98 so he might not like the story.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 21 December 2017, 20:17:36 »
"We used predictive keyboards trained on all seven books to ghostwrite this spellbinding new Harry Potter chapter"

http://botnik.org/content/harry-potter.html

never read more than 12 pages of the original.

Is this good ?

Maybe ask microsoft windows? He might know.

They don't use Windows 98 so he might not like the story.

Well, MS is apparently a fan of Linux *shrugs*

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 23 December 2017, 17:13:01 »
"We used predictive keyboards trained on all seven books to ghostwrite this spellbinding new Harry Potter chapter"

http://botnik.org/content/harry-potter.html

never read more than 12 pages of the original.

Is this good ?

Maybe ask microsoft windows? He might know.

They don't use Windows 98 so he might not like the story.

Well, MS is apparently a fan of Linux *shrugs*

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Re: Skynet is getting closer every day
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 21:10:11 »
"If we don't study the mistakes of the future, we're bound to repeat them for the first time." -KenM

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 12 February 2018, 19:52:30 »
"If we don't study the mistakes of the future, we're bound to repeat them for the first time." -KenM

The barman says, “We don’t serve time travelers in here.”

A time traveler walks into a bar.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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