I don't get all this hate for thin keycaps. I have a 11800 with thin lasered pbt, and think its pretty good (probably the cherry profile and pbt aspects of it). I think that dsa looks oddly deformed, but it supports nonstandard layouts, so I have some respect for it. I really don't understand the disinterest in dcs and g20 (particularly g20 because it seems like it offers a lot at its price point).