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I had the opportunity to play around with some Gateron blank PBT key caps in Cherry Profile!

Each set is a single color and includes the following:



The stem placements for the space bars are as follows:


Scan of the space bars alongside a ruler: Reply #23

A comparison with other space bars:



From left to right: Dark Gray, Light Gray, Beige, and White.  Included also in the photo are pebble (F8) and pearl (F9) key caps from a Model M for color comparison.




Comparison of profiles:



Thickness comparison:


Texture comparison in Reply #16

Now for some pictures!










Edit 1: Added link to texture comparison.
Edit 2: Added link to scans of the space bars alongside a ruler.
Edit 3: Reuploaded pictures to imgur.
« Last Edit: Sun, 07 June 2015, 20:49:02 by infiniti »

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 11:26:07 »
Are these engineering samples or is the public going to be able to buy these soon? They look pretty nice :). Maybe a good option in place of BSP?

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 11:39:39 »
Are these engineering samples or is the public going to be able to buy these soon? They look pretty nice :). Maybe a good option in place of BSP?

These are finished products.  I know Shadovved will run a GB soontm. :thumb:

I've never tried BSP so I don't have a basis for comparison.

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 11:42:40 »
These look beautiful! Damn I will have so many keysets in the mail lol...

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 11:43:39 »
Those look really nice.  Any ideas about cost?  And is it a smoother or more textured PBT?

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 11:55:14 »
Surprised by how nice those look. Ill be keeping my eyes open for a GB :)

How textured is the surface? Very rough like keycool or smoother like BSP?

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 11:58:33 »
Surprised by how nice those look. Ill be keeping my eyes open for a GB :)

How textured is the surface? Very rough like keycool or smoother like BSP?

+1   I'll be on the lookout for a GB.
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 12:06:11 »
I need that white set. Any idea what the price will be?
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 12:39:38 »
I need that white set. Any idea what the price will be?

Those look really nice.  Any ideas about cost?  And is it a smoother or more textured PBT?

No word on pricing.  I'll bug Shadovved in the morning and update.

BTW, what do you mean textured PBT?  I have a rough description below.  Get it...rough...description? :))


== == == == ==


Surprised by how nice those look. Ill be keeping my eyes open for a GB :)

How textured is the surface? Very rough like keycool or smoother like BSP?

I haven't had the opportunity to try keycool or BSP key caps. :(

On texture, the Gateron PBT (the light gray one in the middle) has a finer surface texture than a fresh SP key cap (the WoB Esc)...you can kinda see it in this picture but I'll try to get some better texture shots tomorrow.



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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 14:15:05 »
I need that white set. Any idea what the price will be?

Those look really nice.  Any ideas about cost?  And is it a smoother or more textured PBT?

No word on pricing.  I'll bug Shadovved in the morning and update.

BTW, what do you mean textured PBT?  I have a rough description below.  Get it...rough...description? :))


== == == == ==


Surprised by how nice those look. Ill be keeping my eyes open for a GB :)

How textured is the surface? Very rough like keycool or smoother like BSP?

I haven't had the opportunity to try keycool or BSP key caps. :(

On texture, the Gateron PBT (the light gray one in the middle) has a finer surface texture than a fresh SP key cap (the WoB Esc)...you can kinda see it in this picture but I'll try to get some better texture shots tomorrow.

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+1 curious to know the texture, and I don't have a SP set so I can't take anything from that comparison. I will definitely buy a set when Shadovved runs a GB, but curious if they are rough or smooth.
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 14:53:37 »
No ISO Enter?

I wonder how they are compared to Leopold...

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 16:55:48 »
Nice, can't wait for the GB :)

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 17:15:14 »
Wow that looks really good. Sadly I'm out of keyboards to put keysets on..

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 18:13:54 »
ISO enter may be coming soon... or at least I was told they were thinking about it. I really hope they get the tooling for it made as it's really all they are missing for 'standard' key sizes per row in their current line up.
Pricing is something like $27-35 a set depending on some things. Custom colors are possible. I'll likely be using them for all PBT and POM that I deal with in the future.

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 19:11:11 »
Does the 6.25 spacebar work with leopolds like the fc660m?

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 19:35:30 »
ISO enter may be coming soon... or at least I was told they were thinking about it. I really hope they get the tooling for it made as it's really all they are missing for 'standard' key sizes per row in their current line up.
Pricing is something like $27-35 a set depending on some things. Custom colors are possible. I'll likely be using them for all PBT and POM that I deal with in the future.

So we're talking $50 dyesub set potential.  That would be awesome.

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 04:56:42 »
Yep, that pricing Ivan mentioned is about right.

Here's some pictures for texture comparison.  I need a proper macro lens and rails.

Gateron PBT

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GMK Double Shot

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HHKB PBT

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SP DCS

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Does the 6.25 spacebar work with leopolds like the fc660m?

I'm not sure.  I could measure the stem spacing if that would help.

Edit 1: Reuploaded pictures to imgur.
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 06:30:16 »
I refuse to get my hopes up but any word on a ISO set?
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 08:19:47 »
Cool pics!

I wonder why the HHKB PBT looks so much less shiny than the others.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 08:49:44 »
This is awesome! Atleast it has 1.5 mods which I need because the imsto beige set I have does not have it.

Where is this available?

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 16:36:32 »
This is awesome! Atleast it has 1.5 mods which I need because the imsto beige set I have does not have it.

Where is this available?
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 22:27:30 »
This looks fantastic! I need that grey set for my Kmac 2!

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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 22:50:40 »
With the strong positive buzz the product range has, I'm eager to see a brand explicitly advertise a board containing them, rather than the usual linguistic handwaving you see with Kailh switches.
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 01:59:33 »
I scanned the space bars alongside a ruler for those that will be able to confirm if it'll fit on an FC660M.

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Edit 1: Reuploaded pictures to imgur.
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 10:22:11 »
This might be a dumb question but, what stabilizers can I find that would work with a 6u spacebar?

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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 10:23:54 »
Where can I get a set of this?
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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 10:27:56 »
Those look really good.  If they had dyesub legends I'd jump on it.

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 10:31:37 »
Those look really good.  If they had dyesub legends I'd jump on it.
Yeah! They should make a fine candidate for Ivan's future PBT GB's!  ;D
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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 12:52:33 »
Black blank ISO POM sounds amazing.
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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 13:10:37 »
I wonder why the HHKB PBT looks so much less shiny than the others.
It could be the angle. If you look at the shadow from the keycap on the lower right side, the light hits the HHKB keycap from a different angle than the other keycaps.

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« Reply #30 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 13:19:30 »
This might be a dumb question but, what stabilizers can I find that would work with a 6u spacebar?
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« Reply #31 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 13:21:01 »
Yep, that pricing Ivan mentioned is about right.

Here's some pictures for texture comparison.  I need a proper macro lens and rails.

Gateron PBT
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GMK Double Shot
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HHKB PBT
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SP DCS
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== == == == ==


Does the 6.25 spacebar work with leopolds like the fc660m?

I'm not sure.  I could measure the stem spacing if that would help.
Awesome shots infiniti! I would be interested in one of these sets for sure.

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 13:29:58 »
Thanks for the texture pictures, infiniti! :)

These look really good. Hopefully I can get my hands on some soon. :)

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« Reply #33 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 14:02:24 »
Thanks guys!  I'm still working on my macro skills.


== == == == ==


Where can I get a set of this?

Shadovved will be running a gb soon.TM.


== == == == ==


I wonder why the HHKB PBT looks so much less shiny than the others.
It could be the angle. If you look at the shadow from the keycap on the lower right side, the light hits the HHKB keycap from a different angle than the other keycaps.

The HHKB key cap really does have more of a matte finish.  However, the angle of the light played a part since I may not have placed the key caps in the same spot for each shot.

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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 15:52:33 »
I'm interested in any GB run by Shadovved..

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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 09 May 2015, 16:50:09 »
Could you do a colour comparison between these and Cherry dyesub PBT keycaps?

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 01:56:03 »
So Gateron make keycaps?

Wonder if we will see Kailh keycaps.

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 02:08:05 »
Tai-Hao makes an ALPS-compatible switch.  I think it's used in the Rosewill RK-6000 and some of the "Clicker" branded boards.
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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 04:31:53 »
Tai-Hao makes an ALPS-compatible switch.  I think it's used in the Rosewill RK-6000 and some of the "Clicker" branded boards.

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 05:49:14 »
Tai-Hao makes an ALPS-compatible switch.  I think it's used in the Rosewill RK-6000 and some of the "Clicker" branded boards.

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There are so many Alps clones out there that it's hard to keep them straight...yet we still can't get custom Alps caps  :mad:

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 11:03:50 »
Could you do a colour comparison between these and Cherry dyesub PBT keycaps?

Sorry but I don't have a Cherry dyesub PBT set. :(


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So Gateron make keycaps?

Yep!

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 10 May 2015, 11:49:09 »
Thanks for making this thread, by the way. I will definitely be interested if they cost less than $45 including shipping. I just hope they make this a complete replacement set for ISO, ANSI and other common variations. That would make a set like this very useful to a wide audience.

Before I came across this thread, I was looking at BSP and Vortex PBT Blanks. I'm excited to hear how these compare when people get their hands on them.

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 02:38:17 »
Let's try to get some more comparisons with other key caps!

I will part out the num pad keys and send one of each color (i.e. Dark Gray, Light Gray, Beige, and White) to people that have other key sets with which they can compare the color, texture, thickness, and feel to.

So far we need to compare to:
- BSP
- Cherry dyesub PBT

Post here or PM and let's work something out. :thumb:

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 03:28:36 »
I've got some German Cherry PBT dyesubed and lasered and also some white Imsto PBT keycaps I could compare them to, if you'd be willing to ship those keycaps to a relatively new user here on Geekhack. I'm much more active on DT, if you need a reference.

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 03:31:27 »
I've got some German Cherry PBT dyesubed and lasered and also some white Imsto PBT keycaps I could compare them to, if you'd be willing to ship those keycaps to a relatively new user here on Geekhack. I'm much more active on DT, if you need a reference.
Couldn't you send him some caps? Lol
That said if you're active on DT then I imagine it'd be fine if he has extra's to send.
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 04:31:34 »
I have a bsp classic beige set(along with a lot of other brands
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vortex(dyesub&doubleshot), plum, tai-hao doubleshot, geekkeys thick, leopold thick
) I could compare them to but I don't have a good camera to compare colors. I could see about borrowing a friend's but that being said I'd love to try them but will understand if you send them to others.
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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 09:56:29 »
I've got some German Cherry PBT dyesubed and lasered and also some white Imsto PBT keycaps I could compare them to, if you'd be willing to ship those keycaps to a relatively new user here on Geekhack. I'm much more active on DT, if you need a reference.

PM'd you. ;)

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I've got some German Cherry PBT dyesubed and lasered and also some white Imsto PBT keycaps I could compare them to, if you'd be willing to ship those keycaps to a relatively new user here on Geekhack. I'm much more active on DT, if you need a reference.
Couldn't you send him some caps? Lol
That said if you're active on DT then I imagine it'd be fine if he has extra's to send.

I was thinking of borrowing caps to photograph but I didn't want to risk breaking up someone set in fear of losing something. :eek:


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I have a bsp classic beige set(along with a lot of other brands
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vortex(dyesub&doubleshot), plum, tai-hao doubleshot, geekkeys thick, leopold thick
) I could compare them to but I don't have a good camera to compare colors. I could see about borrowing a friend's but that being said I'd love to try them but will understand if you send them to others.

PM'd you too. :D

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 18 May 2015, 20:34:00 »
Important question:
Do you think this 6u spacebar will work with the infinity keyboard?

I was looking at the pictures trying to figure out if the stems align.

I don't think they do but I'm not completely sure.

Any ideas?

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 18 May 2015, 21:17:28 »
Any chance to get stand alone space bars? I am not really into blank sets.

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Re: Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (whoa 5MB of pictures)
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 19 May 2015, 01:05:12 »
can we get an ETA on the "soon" thing? what colors will be available?? can we like start voting from now what will they be, i think the basic colors or klaxon (whispers hail klaxon), beige and dolch should be available, plus 1 or 2 custom sets, it may sound crazy, but we have the technology, we can do it.
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