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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #400 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 17:56:27 »

Where do you get these statistics honestly?

Gynecomastia.com ??

Find better sources.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3706045/#!po=10.2941

You're wrong,

This source is much more reliable.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7840497

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2770912/

"The prevalence of asymptomatic gynecomastia is 60% to 90% in neonates, 50% to 60% in adolescents, and up to 70% in men aged 50 to 69 years."



Your first link lists 40.5% having gynecomastia.

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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #401 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 17:59:52 »

Your first link lists 40.5% having gynecomastia.

It's Betweeen 40% and 60%,  that is the most common stat across most papers..


Point is, Man-Bewbage is very common..  Easily treated (surgery)..  and an arguably necessary part of the bodybuilding industry (As IS).


Now, there are alternatives, but we are not at liberty to discuss those.

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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #402 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 18:26:05 »

Your first link lists 40.5% having gynecomastia.

It's Betweeen 40% and 60%,  that is the most common stat across most papers..


Point is, Man-Bewbage is very common..  Easily treated (surgery)..  and an arguably necessary part of the bodybuilding industry (As IS).


Now, there are alternatives, but we are not at liberty to discuss those.


Man bewbage as you put it is most common in obese subjects in both trials. Most cases of gyno in bodybuilding are caused due to AAS use or pre existing from puberty.

Going vegan isn't going to revert gyno. Either surgery to remove it completely or pills to counter the increase in estrogen from AAS use.

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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #403 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 18:28:53 »
I got manboobies. Always had them, even at my scrawniest.

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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #404 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 18:31:14 »
I got manboobies. Always had them, even at my scrawniest.

Breast tissue or just fat though?
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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #405 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 18:35:57 »
I got manboobies. Always had them, even at my scrawniest.

Breast tissue or just fat though?

How can I find out?

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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #406 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 18:49:00 »
I got manboobies. Always had them, even at my scrawniest.

Breast tissue or just fat though?

How can I find out?

First important point..

Don't feel embarrassed or ashamed..

It is Very common.. Lots of guys wearn' Bros nowadays


If you are above the 23-25 bmi,  you're going to have a little pudge there..


The definitions are not super strict,  so it has to do with shape most of the time..

If you've got more than 0.5-1 centimeter of floof, it technically counts.

Losing weight helps, but generally, if it's very prominent, the only fix is surgery..

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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #407 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 18:57:52 »
I got manboobies. Always had them, even at my scrawniest.

Breast tissue or just fat though?

How can I find out?

First important point..

Don't feel embarrassed or ashamed..

It is Very common.. Lots of guys wearn' Bros nowadays


If you are above the 23-25 bmi,  you're going to have a little pudge there..


The definitions are not super strict,  so it has to do with shape most of the time..

If you've got more than 0.5-1 centimeter of floof, it technically counts.

Losing weight helps, but generally, if it's very prominent, the only fix is surgery..


True gynecomastia is defined by actual breast tissue not just fat

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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #408 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 19:01:29 »
I got manboobies. Always had them, even at my scrawniest.

Breast tissue or just fat though?

How can I find out?
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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #410 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 00:20:45 »
Somehow I knew this would happen when I revived this thread.
Maybe they're waiting for gasmasks and latex to get sexy again.

The world has become a weird place.

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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #411 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 05:31:09 »
revived this thread.

Hrrrrmm..

Is it possible that the entirety of the _workout_ genre is a maladaptive response to societal sickness ?


At every point, we have ### resources.

Only by over-consumption would there ever be a mechanical reason to _workout_


When humans take to the plate for pleasure's sake and not purpose,  that piggishness is the over-reach   and  excess physical movement is the compensatory response.



The surge of Vanity physique is thus a counterbalancing for Gluttony

Does it say we go to hell for gluttony in dat book.. ?



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Re: GH Swolenation
« Reply #412 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 10:36:07 »
revived this thread.

Hrrrrmm..

Is it possible that the entirety of the _workout_ genre is a maladaptive response to societal sickness ?


At every point, we have ### resources.

Only by over-consumption would there ever be a mechanical reason to _workout_


When humans take to the plate for pleasure's sake and not purpose,  that piggishness is the over-reach   and  excess physical movement is the compensatory response.



The surge of Vanity physique is thus a counterbalancing for Gluttony

Does it say we go to hell for gluttony in dat book.. ?


I'm not really sure how to respond to this since "workout" can mean pretty much anything.
If you're talking about cardiovascular exercise (catabolic), then perhaps many people do that to compensate for eating too much, even though that's a very ineffective way to do it. Eating fewer calories is the only way to cause weight loss unless the person is teetering at maintenance Calories and just needs to burn the extra 200-300 Calories/day to be at a deficit.

If you're talking about lifting heavy things (anabolic response), there are generally three forms: bodybuilding, Olympic weight lifting, and powerlifting. Anabolic exercise require eating more food to get better at it since it causes tissue growth as an adaptation.
  • Bodybuilding is vain because it's all about aesthetics, but it's also about steroids and strict diets, so I don't think it applies to the gluttony aspect.
  • Very few people do weight lifting proper, which is about power (accelerating the bar), and generally does not produce an aesthetic body type necessarily.
  • Powerlifting, which despite the name, is just about strength (generally slow) and can produce decent physiques or fat ones. It's just about lifting the most weight possible, which is easier at high body weights even if much of the weight is fat. I suppose that could be an excuse to eat more.

But, yeah, the average person who goes to the gym just to walk or run on the treadmill or fling around weights without making any progress probably is just trying to feel better for eating too much.

Strength training, makes things in everyday life easier to do and prevents injuries caused by weak bones and muscles and sinew too weak to support those weak bones. Without strength a person literally cannot interact with his environment, so it's not a vanity thing, but a necessity of physical existence.
Maybe they're waiting for gasmasks and latex to get sexy again.

The world has become a weird place.