Author Topic: Keyed Up Labs KUL ES-87 with MX Clears (Read 117026 times)

Puddsy · « **Reply #150 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 14:59:55 »

it's the switch i think

backspace is one of my most used keys, but spacebar is fine

how strange

it's just backspace, not enter now that I test it again

I'll update if I figure out what's up, I'm gonna do a teardown

ThomasBastiani · « **Reply #151 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 16:19:17 »

Quote from: TacticalStache on Fri, 04 July 2014, 14:54:16

after a month my backspace and enter keys are squeaking pretty badly

so that's a thing

Tell me about it. It drives me up the wall! I thought that lubing the switches/stabilizers would fix it. I haven't tried yet though.

Th3KAS · « **Reply #152 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:41:13 »

I've noticed that the MX Clears on my KUL seem to be more tactile on the upstroke than the downstroke, has anybody else noticed this?

Puddsy · « **Reply #153 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:45:16 »

that's just a thing with clears

TBone · « **Reply #154 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:47:34 »

Quote from: Th3KAS on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:41:13

I've noticed that the MX Clears on my KUL seem to be more tactile on the upstroke than the downstroke, has anybody else noticed this?

That's why I love clears! It's so satisfying, but it would be interesting to have a clear with no up bump!

Puddsy · « **Reply #155 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:48:46 »

with the way mx switches work that's physically impossible

but a cool idea nonetheless

strict · « **Reply #156 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:52:15 »

Quote from: Th3KAS on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:41:13

I've noticed that the MX Clears on my KUL seem to be more tactile on the upstroke than the downstroke, has anybody else noticed this?

Quote from: TacticalStache on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:45:16

that's just a thing with clears

Both of my boards with clears have a similar sensation, though it's more noticeable with the stock clears. The 65g clears are more tactile on the downstroke but the upstroke feels the same as the stock clears. 65g clear downstroke tacticality seems to be almost exactly even with upstroke tacticality whereas stock clear downstroke is noticeably less tactile than the upstroke.

nobee · « **Reply #157 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 19:42:55 »

Has anybody tried 62g springs on this board yet?

1839cc · « **Reply #158 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 19:44:02 »

Quote from: TBone on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:47:34

Quote from: Th3KAS on Fri, 04 July 2014, 17:41:13
I've noticed that the MX Clears on my KUL seem to be more tactile on the upstroke than the downstroke, has anybody else noticed this?

That's why I love clears! It's so satisfying, but it would be interesting to have a clear with no up bump!

That would probably be similar to black ALPS. I prefer the two-way tactility of the clears.

Puddsy · « **Reply #159 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 22:05:36 »

Quote from: nobee on Fri, 04 July 2014, 19:42:55

Has anybody tried 62g springs on this board yet?

I will when I get some 62g springs

they're really hard to find right now for some reason

n0rvig · « **Reply #160 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 22:21:19 »

Appreciate the review. Looks like a solid board.

Aidenknives · « **Reply #161 on:** Fri, 04 July 2014, 23:53:16 »

How do you like the feel of the clears? Are they basically blues without the click sound?

lightsout714 · « **Reply #162 on:** Sat, 05 July 2014, 00:30:53 »

Quote from: Aidenknives on Fri, 04 July 2014, 23:53:16

How do you like the feel of the clears? Are they basically blues without the click sound?

Not at all, they are stiff similar to browns but with a much bigger bump.

TBone · « **Reply #163 on:** Sat, 05 July 2014, 09:47:06 »

Quote from: Aidenknives on Fri, 04 July 2014, 23:53:16

How do you like the feel of the clears? Are they basically blues without the click sound?

I like them, but there is no drop in actuation force like the blues, hence the click feel, similar to that of a pen.

My next board will probably be Blues, but I'm glad I picked up some Clears first.

TBone · « **Reply #164 on:** Tue, 08 July 2014, 23:19:50 »

Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding.

digi · « **Reply #165 on:** Tue, 08 July 2014, 23:21:46 »

I "gots mines" today, typing on it now. Great board so far for the price, I like the multimedia controls too. I finally uninstalled 3rvx, heh. Thanks again for your review, Eyesmiles.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #166 on:** Wed, 09 July 2014, 00:29:56 »

Quote from: TBone on Tue, 08 July 2014, 23:19:50

Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding.

I wouldn't mind some pics.

iLLucionist · « **Reply #167 on:** Wed, 09 July 2014, 08:25:06 »

Quote from: TBone on Tue, 08 July 2014, 23:19:50

Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding.

What exactly is a clip mod?

TBone · « **Reply #168 on:** Wed, 09 July 2014, 08:58:02 »

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 09 July 2014, 08:25:06

Quote from: TBone on Tue, 08 July 2014, 23:19:50
Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding.

What exactly is a clip mod?

You clip and file down these feet on the bottom of Cherry stabilizers that are designed to absorb impact on the PCB. They are very unnecessary on any modern boards, especially plate mounted, and just make the stabilizer feel sluggish and a little heavy at the bottom. Clip them off and flatten the bottom and the stabilizers feel better than Costar stabilizers.

iLLucionist · « **Reply #169 on:** Wed, 09 July 2014, 11:59:29 »

Quote from: TBone on Wed, 09 July 2014, 08:58:02

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 09 July 2014, 08:25:06
Quote from: TBone on Tue, 08 July 2014, 23:19:50
Just did the clip mod on this board's space bar and holy moly is it awesome. Feels so solid. I'll post a video of before and after with my DSA set after I complete the rest of the keys. I'll try and take some tutorial pics too if anyone wants, just let me know. It is pretty tricky with cherry plate mounted stabs, at least for a noob to modding.

What exactly is a clip mod?

You clip and file down these feet on the bottom of Cherry stabilizers that are designed to absorb impact on the PCB. They are very unnecessary on any modern boards, especially plate mounted, and just make the stabilizer feel sluggish and a little heavy at the bottom. Clip them off and flatten the bottom and the stabilizers feel better than Costar stabilizers.

Nice, good to keep in mind if I order one. Thanks!

Btw.. why is it so difficult to pull caps with these cherry stabs? I am thinking about ordering one sooner or later, but I most definitely want blank caps.

TBone · « **Reply #170 on:** Wed, 09 July 2014, 13:04:24 »

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 09 July 2014, 11:59:29

Nice, good to keep in mind if I order one. Thanks!

Btw.. why is it so difficult to pull caps with these cherry stabs? I am thinking about ordering one sooner or later, but I most definitely want blank caps.

Look at Grendel's message here http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53113.msg1183206#msg1183206, there are little tabs on the sides of clear stems where the keycap goes on. This makes it a little tighter. If you have a wire puller this shouldn't be an issue, but people have pulled stems out when being careless/pulling like they are Reds/Blues/etc.

IIRC, Cherry added it because Clears were designed for industrial situations where they didn't want keycaps falling off in case of drops.

TBone · « **Reply #171 on:** Wed, 09 July 2014, 13:04:47 »

nobee · « **Reply #172 on:** Thu, 10 July 2014, 13:18:19 »

Finally tried this board. MX Clears are.... interesting. At first, they seemed really weighty to me, but I think I'm kind of used to it. I'll give it another week to see if I still like them. I think right now, I still prefer MX Brown switches to Clear, but they might grow on me after a while. I also still prefer costar stabs on my Filco since these Cherry ones feel pretty mushy. It would be interesting to see how clipped stabs would feel. I think I would really like 62g springs on these but 1. I have never used a soldering iron, so I think I'll have to get somebody to do that mod for me, and 2. It doesn't seem like these are easy to get ATM.

All in all, build quality is pretty good. This thing is sturdy. I love the cable channels in the back and the fact that the cable is also removable. I'll probably end up replacing the stock keycaps, but they still feel quite nice. Although, I'm not a big fan of feeling the lasered legends when I type.

I think for me to fully enjoy this keyboard, I'll have to do all the above mods, then it will be perfect.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

Lpwl · « **Reply #173 on:** Thu, 10 July 2014, 16:53:22 »

About that removable cable :

Is the mini USB connector attached to case itself or is it only held in by the pins (like in my CODE keyboard ... which is not kûl) ?

TBone · « **Reply #174 on:** Thu, 10 July 2014, 17:11:37 »

Quote from: Lpwl on Thu, 10 July 2014, 16:53:22

About that removable cable :

Is the mini USB connector attached to case itself or is it only held in by the pins (like in my CODE keyboard ... which is not kûl) ?

I can check when I get home, I have mine taken apart currently.

TBone · « **Reply #175 on:** Thu, 10 July 2014, 21:11:44 »

Ok so the USB connector is connected to the case to a little chip that has four screws connecting it to the case, looks pretty solid. But the connector does look like it is soldered to the little pcb chip. I really don't want to take it off right now to further investigate but it does seem much more solid than my Ducky Shine I when I compare.

Sniping · « **Reply #176 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 03:27:21 »

KUL just announced some new case colors.

LechnerDE · « **Reply #177 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 03:42:18 »

Nice!

Only minor complaint for me is that the side is still black, but I guess I won't see this anyway while using the board.

Hopefully they also offer more switch choices for these versions.

Lpwl · « **Reply #178 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 05:08:31 »

Quote from: TBone on Thu, 10 July 2014, 21:11:44

Ok so the USB connector is connected to the case to a little chip that has four screws connecting it to the case, looks pretty solid. But the connector does look like it is soldered to the little pcb chip. I really don't want to take it off right now to further investigate but it does seem much more solid than my Ducky Shine I when I compare.

That's what I thought.

It looks like the same "bad design"

Plugging / unplugging the cord on this KUL keyboard could also break the mini USB connector. I just hope being wrong.

(potato pic I found there)

(this pic comes from eyesmiles - thank you by the way !)

iLLucionist · « **Reply #179 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 06:56:32 »

Quote from: Sniping on Fri, 11 July 2014, 03:27:21

KUL just announced some new case colors.

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Holy cr*p white... White KB with Clears. When are they available? I want one :eek:

dante · « **Reply #180 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:51:18 »

FC700R ruined white cases for me - the paint job was crap.

iLLucionist · « **Reply #181 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:55:54 »

Quote from: dante on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:51:18

FC700R ruined white cases for me - the paint job was crap.

What happened?

dante · « **Reply #182 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:59:18 »

Quote from: iLLucionist on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:55:54

Quote from: dante on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:51:18
FC700R ruined white cases for me - the paint job was crap.

What happened?

I scratched mine with no effort.

TBone · « **Reply #183 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 08:58:32 »

Aww **** I hope they offer those cases separately, I'd be in to buy all three if I didn't have to buy a new keyboard!

LechnerDE · « **Reply #184 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 12:23:34 »

Quote from: dante on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:59:18

Quote from: iLLucionist on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:55:54
Quote from: dante on Fri, 11 July 2014, 07:51:18
FC700R ruined white cases for me - the paint job was crap.

What happened?

I scratched mine with no effort.

I also have the FC700R in white and it stills looks like new.

Whatever you made to scratch yours would probably have scratched any other board as well...

Puddsy · « **Reply #185 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 16:25:11 »

Quote from: Sniping on Fri, 11 July 2014, 03:27:21

KUL just announced some new case colors.

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MUH WALLET

lightsout714 · « **Reply #186 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 17:50:03 »

Nice, excited about a high quality TKL in white. These are my new favorite stock boards. Wonder if Brian will stock these. Interesting the pics show blank caps as well, wonder if that was just for the look in the pic.

EDIT*** From their facebook page.

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How about a colorful top case for your ES-87? Coming this Summer from KUL!

Looks like it is just the case, I asked on FB for clarity will report back.

Puddsy · « **Reply #187 on:** Fri, 11 July 2014, 17:58:29 »

if i can buy one as just a topcase my wallet is gonna be sad

i just spend $200 on a new jacket

iLLucionist · « **Reply #188 on:** Wed, 16 July 2014, 05:29:56 »

Quote from: Sniping on Fri, 11 July 2014, 03:27:21

KUL just announced some new case colors.

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Where did you find this? I am googling my *ss off but can't find it anywhere..

TBone · « **Reply #189 on:** Wed, 16 July 2014, 08:47:37 »

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 16 July 2014, 05:29:56

Quote from: Sniping on Fri, 11 July 2014, 03:27:21
KUL just announced some new case colors.

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Where did you find this? I am googling my *ss off but can't find it anywhere..

Keyed Up Labs Facebook page.

shadewolf · « **Reply #190 on:** Wed, 16 July 2014, 10:18:16 »

Excited for that white case top - hopefully they're reasonably priced!

Puddsy · « **Reply #191 on:** Wed, 16 July 2014, 16:32:07 »

Quote from: shadewolf on Wed, 16 July 2014, 10:18:16

Excited for that white case top - hopefully they're reasonably priced!

I'm buying a red one either way lol

Sifo · « **Reply #192 on:** Wed, 16 July 2014, 16:55:51 »

Mother****

Okay I'll get one in blue.

cmadrid · « **Reply #193 on:** Thu, 17 July 2014, 02:29:03 »

I wonder if these top cases would fit onto a QFR or Filco. That would certainly expand their target audience for the top case

CommonCurt · « **Reply #194 on:** Thu, 17 July 2014, 02:33:59 »

Quote from: cmadrid on Thu, 17 July 2014, 02:29:03

I wonder if these top cases would fit onto a QFR or Filco. That would certainly expand their target audience for the top case

It doesn't look like it will fit anything else because of the way the sides of the KUL ES-87 are.

cmadrid · « **Reply #195 on:** Thu, 17 July 2014, 07:22:03 »

I dunno, it looks kinda like the black part of the sides is just the bottom part of the case. Can't tell for sure tho

Puddsy · « **Reply #196 on:** Thu, 17 July 2014, 15:28:59 »

Quote from: cmadrid on Thu, 17 July 2014, 07:22:03

I dunno, it looks kinda like the black part of the sides is just the bottom part of the case. Can't tell for sure tho

it is

as far as i can tell the KUL's topcase doesn't work with my Filco boards

cmadrid · « **Reply #197 on:** Thu, 17 July 2014, 17:28:18 »

Damn.. would have been nice if you could pop the top of a QFR off and slide one of these on!

SpecTP · « **Reply #198 on:** Mon, 21 July 2014, 00:23:05 »

I just ordered one from EK. Looking forward to comparing the MX clears to my reds.

LechnerDE · « **Reply #199 on:** Mon, 21 July 2014, 01:56:08 »

Yeah, I also want to try a KUL!

Only positive responses until now, but I want to wait for a MX Blue version.

Does anybody know whether other MX switches are planned for the future?

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Author Topic: Keyed Up Labs KUL ES-87 with MX Clears (Read 117026 times)