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Offline lowpoly

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« on: Thu, 26 March 2009, 08:11:36 »
I really, really want one of these:



The spare parts resellers sell them for $110+.

(Bad) example recycledgoods

However, I found this page:

http://www.amitron-int.com/MISC.HTM

where they are sold for $29. They have 3 in stock and a minimum order of $100 so this might just work out if one takes three of these.

Anybody else who wants one?

Oh, and these are for 3290 terminals. There is no converter @ kbdbabel.org yet. Maybe I can work something out with the owner of that site, I haven't tried it so far. A custom controller would be another possibility.

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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 26 March 2009, 08:21:40 »
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Just saw that. I emailed them if it's still in stock.

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Offline MANISH7

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 26 March 2009, 19:27:24 »
Are you saying that this keyboard cannot be connected to a PC? If you can find an adopter to connect it to the USB port of a PC, is there a way to program all those extra keys?

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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 27 March 2009, 04:07:08 »
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Are you saying that this keyboard cannot be connected to a PC? If you can find an adopter to connect it to the USB port of a PC, is there a way to program all those extra keys?

I cannot say how the kbdbabel adapter would handle this. If it doesn't it should be possible to work on the code.

If you use a custom controller then programming would be no problem.

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The part sellers with outdated or scraped lists usually lead to nothing, but if it does you can PM me because I'd be interested.

Ehm..LOL..
http://www.amitron-int.com/index.html

Saw that too afterwards... I'll do my homework next time. :)

Needless to say they didn't answer my mail.

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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 27 March 2009, 06:41:16 »
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The part sellers with outdated or scraped lists usually lead to nothing, but if it does you can PM me because I'd be interested.

Ehm..LOL..
http://www.amitron-int.com/index.html


It says "since 1986."  That also looks like the approximate timeframe that site was built.

The very, very sad thing is that some of the pages weer updated as recently as 2004.


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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 05 April 2009, 11:36:30 »
That picture...

I'm guessing you haven't heard anything from them.  Was anyone brave enough to try the phone number [ (818)341-7780 ]?

Argecy have them for slightly less... TamyaTech list them as, albeit it as "Special Order" if you search for 1387033 in the PN#/Model box, both as refurb and "New Open Box" with manufacturer warranty!

The Argecy page, with its IBM document, shows that this part number was supplied with model 220, which seems to be what is referred to by 3290-2 [ie. type-model 3290-2XX, the second digit specifying the keyboard, the third a mystery to me...].  I have a reference that states "If I remember right, the model 2 can also use a regular "enhanced" PC keyboard.".  The Corestore picture (from the "emuterm" page) certainly shows a "Enhanced" type 'board, though it's a 102 terminal 'board (and from the filename it's a Model 1?!...) rather than a 101/102 for a PC/AT.

So, it may well have much in common with other terminal kbds of the time, and be yet another using modified scan code set 3, and so may work with the existing kbdbabel adapter for many Model M terminal keyboards.

This may also be the case for the 122 key P/N 6110344 Model F for the type 5271 "3270 PC" (as owned by Sandy)...
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 05 April 2009, 14:32:43 »
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I'm guessing you haven't heard anything from them.  Was anyone brave enough to try the phone number [ (818)341-7780 ]?

Argecy have them for slightly less... TamyaTech list them as, albeit it as "Special Order" if you search for 1387033 in the PN#/Model box, both as refurb and "New Open Box" with manufacturer warranty!


As expected I didn't hear back from them.

I emailed TamyaTech for prices, good find.

But on my vacation two weeks ago I got some distance and am probably going to pass, at least for a 3 digit price.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 05 April 2009, 15:13:52 »
lowpoly what the hell do you want of these keyboards for? Need a boat or a raft? You might be able to use it as cow-catcher on your car ...

They are huge and outdated. I just don't see the point.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 05 April 2009, 15:28:37 »
That's exactly the appeal.

If not for the clumsy cursor cluster and ISO layout, I could definitely find an appeal in them (particularly the full 122-key versions)  I'd love an extra ten function keys for volume and media player controls, without having to settle for a craptacular-feel new "media keyboard".

The shown model just combines that with the current popularity of a no-numeric-keypad design (that, I don't get)
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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 05 April 2009, 15:38:41 »
I didn't even notice that lol. That is pretty funny now, since it's a "space saver."

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 05 April 2009, 20:02:04 »
Not wanting a numeric keypad comes from wanting the mouse to be closer to the main typing area.

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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 05 April 2009, 23:05:44 »
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Not wanting a numeric keypad comes from wanting the mouse to be closer to the main typing area.


I have a feeling he wasn't being literal.

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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 02:35:32 »
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lowpoly what the hell do you want of these keyboards for? Need a boat or a raft? You might be able to use it as cow-catcher on your car ...

They are huge and outdated. I just don't see the point.


:)

The combination of more function keys and less numpad (for mousing) is perfect for Photoshop or 3D.

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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 03:24:04 »
I wonder how easy it would be to make those extra keys work on a modern computer.

Offline Etinin

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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 13:25:26 »
Wouldn't be hard if a custom controller were used.
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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 14:45:51 »
With kbdbabel you can mod the assembler code.

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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 14:52:46 »
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lowpoly what the hell do you want of these keyboards for? Need a boat or a raft? You might be able to use it as cow-catcher on your car ...


Actually, I just bought a boat. Should have taken the 1387033 instead. :D

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 16:47:32 »
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 16:49:34 »
Beautiful. :) But I don't my computer to be lonely and sad. :(


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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 01:19:39 »
:D

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 17:37:40 »
My apologies.

5. Your computer is delighted when you acquire customisable remapping software, allowing you to identify [the scan codes of] - and put to use - all of the weird keys :)

Happy computing!
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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