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[IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« on: Wed, 28 September 2022, 22:34:13 »
Hi Everyone, we are CHAOSERA,

It has been almost two months since the launch of our last kit. In fact, during the EAU group launch, the second kit, Heracles80, has already begun to plan, adhering to our team’s core idea of ​​“doing something crazy”, which lasted 3 month, officially entered the IC stage.

With the feedback from the EAU GB as experience, we have reconsidered the selection of the surface treatment process. Due to the previous baking paint (sticky dust, easy dyeing, etc.), from the actual effect, quality control guarantee and other factors. The final choice is cost much higher than anodic oxidation(ten times the cost of it) and the electrostatic powder spraying process of electrophoresis.
Drawing on the important feedback experience of the previous kit, we have strictly deleted the surface powder spraying. The main considerations are the surface fineness, 100 grid test, and friction resistance test. Among them, we have inspected almost ten spraying companies Fan suppliers, because of their small size and too strict requirements, many suppliers have expressed non-euphemistic refusal to us. In the end, we chose a supplier 2,000 kilometers away from our team. We finally decide to choose them, because of their craftsmanship, the paint surface was wiped 15,000 times with 99% alcohol, and the 100-frame test passed perfectly. During the test, we specially The surface is stained with dirt. During the cleaning process, we were pleasantly surprised to find that most of the dirt can be easily wiped off just by water.


Our positioning for ourselves has always been to do something we like to do quietly. After solving the most worrying process problem, the next step is to think about product design.

Firstly, in terms of technology, we combined flash powder spraying, secondary anodizing, and titanium to show the high cost of a keyboard with a curb weight of nearly 5kg in the most intuitive way.

Secondly, thanks to multiple rounds of screening, we have retained high-quality suppliers with a high degree of cooperation. So far, Heracles has undergone three rounds of proofing and modification. After each round of proofing, we will actively discuss and think with suppliers. , review the issues identified so far, and apply the new insights to the product. After the CNC process, the hardware materials of Heracles will be finely polished and sandblasted to ensure that the surface of the product can have a delicate hand and excellent texture. However, the defective rate of the product will continue to increase with the increase of the process. Behind each process, there may be problems caused by human or various factors. Here, we also learn process tracking. Behind every important process of Heracles, there are our staff who follow the whole process.

After reviewing a lot of information and combining our actual perception on the research and development side, we also have some new ideas in structural design. Through recent physical research, we have achieved initial success in terms of effect, and will be updated in the future. Explain the structure in detail.

Finally, I would like to thank the fans who care about CHAOSERA. When we didn't know what name to name this kit, the name Heracles provided us with a very precious inspiration, and from the beginning, the whole life idea that made trouble was born—— Hercules Bronze Fist, this powerful divine fist will be sold as an optional accessory.

The following is the design diagram of Heracles80:
Front Design:



The front of the kit is composed of two parts, the inner and outer frame, which can be divided into black and white. Compared with the spraying process of EAU, the flash powder selected this time has greatly improved the visual effect, surface strength and physical touch.
The inner frame part adopts an oxidation process, and the chamfered part adopts secondary anodizing, so that the front three-color effect can be achieved at most.


Side design:
The sides feature our titanium weights and bite buckles, as well as Hercules' originality here.



Back Design:
The overall design of the back of Heracles80 is neat and tidy. We are still trying to express it in some more gorgeous ways. We are still testing it. We will update the rest of our ideas in the next IC update.




The relevant data of the kit are as follows:
Layout: TKL
Structure: C-gasket mount (autonomous structure) typing sound and related explanations will be updated later
Angle: 6 degrees
Weight: The bare shell weighs 3.8kg, and it weighs about 4.7kg after assembly
Price: 375usd
Plate material: aluminum, POM,Fr4
Main material: 6063 aluminum, titanium, copper
Surface treatment process: spraying, anode, secondary oxidation, mirror process
PCB: type C interface Hotswap PCB, South facing , support via
Color matching: At present, it has been determined that the white and black are matched with multi-color titanium weights, and some limited color matching is still under discussion.
Quantity/method of sale: It is estimated that 170 sets are in stock. It will be sell on our website(https://www.chaosera-sell.com/ )

Notice: The counterweight in the photo is not titanium, and we will send out physical images of titanium in subsequent IC updates.

(We will only open the payment channel after all the inspection, sub-packaging, packaging, warehousing, and preparation for delivery processes are completed.)

One more thing:
This time, our Heracles80 IC has been held for a long time. Although we have prepared the main design and a large number of renderings a few months ago, we still only carried out a small-scale publicity campaign, in order to When you meet Heracles for the first time, you can directly see the actual keyboard kit proofing in the IC post. Thanks W1nd for the support of the real pictures. Please enjoy ^v^








At present, the real object is the first batch of complete body proofing. After getting it, we have carried out many violent experiments on the kit, including but not limited to the steel file experiment on the powder coating layer. Therefore, the kit in the picture may have defects.
 
After that, we will continue to update the ICs and show you the proofing effects of other areas of the kit, so stay tuned.


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Discord: https://discord.gg/eYBJpC8Zbf


Heracles80 3D Assembly Animation.
« Last Edit: Mon, 28 November 2022, 00:30:31 by CHAOSERA »

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 02 October 2022, 12:31:34 »
ooh wait i hadn't seen this

kinda funky, but i think it's cool
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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 05 October 2022, 01:19:31 »
ooh wait i hadn't seen this

kinda funky, but i think it's cool
Thank you for your compliment. ;D

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 05 October 2022, 01:38:39 »
Genuinely interested in this project (and curious to see how it evolves)…

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 05 October 2022, 02:40:43 »
Genuinely interested in this project (and curious to see how it evolves)…
Thank you very much for your appreciation, if you want to get more first-hand information, you can join our discord, we will release more kit details and changes soon. ;)

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 13 October 2022, 17:05:39 »
I am liking this a lot, and will be keeping my eye on it.
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Current Boards: Aaru TKL Old Dark Sand, Drop + Planck Purple, Mr Suit WKL Black w/Gold Chamfers, Sangeo60 Black, KBD67Lite White, D45 E-Grey, Wind X Pink, NCR 80 Beige, EVO70 Black, White; QK65 Dark Green, Av4 Claymore, TGR x Monokei Tomo Suave Blue, Heracles80 Holy White, Snake60 Rust, Array E-White, Capsule E-White, QK75 E-White

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 13 October 2022, 18:10:00 »
I like the weight; but curious how the coating on those tabs will hold up

looks like there are indents for feet toward Row 4, but then there are those tabs reminiscent of the D60 but no space for rubber feet

if those are going to be laying on tables hope the material can hold up

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 15 October 2022, 20:22:31 »
I am liking this a lot, and will be keeping my eye on it.
Thank you for your attention.

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 15 October 2022, 20:33:49 »
I like the weight; but curious how the coating on those tabs will hold up

looks like there are indents for feet toward Row 4, but then there are those tabs reminiscent of the D60 but no space for rubber feet

if those are going to be laying on tables hope the material can hold up
Thanks for your support, this is just an initial proofer.
We will add embedded rubber feet in future updates.

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 29 October 2022, 00:36:01 »
Update on OCT 28

Hello everyone, we are CHAOSERA Lab,

In September, we shipped the first IC of Heracles80. During this period we encountered a lot of problems. And has been modified several times. But fortunately, the final overall performance is quite satisfactory to us. Today, let us bring you the "complete version" of Heracles.



For the name of the kit Hercules. We made a powerful fist to make it more fun. And of course We name it Hercules fists. The material of this pair of fists is copper, and the old craftsmanship will be used at that time. Because the quantity of Hercules Fist is not large, the sample was only made a basic sample at that time, and it was directly start bulk production right after that. At present, only samples that have not been surface-treated can be displayed.

The second thing we did during this 3 month is the metal keycap designed by the head of the Nemean lion in the 12 quests of the Myth of Hercules. Because the design was more radical, the relief process was directly abandoned and a three-dimensional lion head was made. As a result, it was found that in some places, the CNC could not get the knife, even the six-axis machine could not achieve it. But the design itself is really difficult for us to give up (it was delayed for a long time, probably more than a month).  The finished product is good, the raw material is still copper, and the old process is also used. The keycap is standard, and the back of the keycap has a unique number. 


The idea of the back is also changed.the mirror PVD was made at the beginning. After the IC, many people responded that the back was too plain. So we tired the engraving scheme but still. It still feels inconsistent with the greek mythology theme.Until we thought of a novel material "titanium". people who know us know that we have made a lot of attempts in titanium, and the time delay is also the longest (it took almost 2 and a half months). We tried the ice flower craft at first, but due to the temperature, deformation and assembly were problems. Later, we thought of anodes. At present, there are very few factories on the market that can make titanium anodes. In the end, they found suppliers from other provinces to solve the problem. Below is a graph of the results.




Since the overall weight is too heavy, the shipping fee will be too high, we will try to reduce the outer box packaging.

At present, all keyboard accessories are in production, and the final preparation of the titanium trim has also begun to CNC, which is expected to be GB in November. Before that, we will also update the relevant information on structure and typing sound.And we are looking forward to your attention.

current information parameters:
Layout: TKL
Keyboard Weight: 3.7kg
Assembled keyboard weight: 4.15kg
Color: Black Gold/White Gold/Dark
Surface treatment process: upper and lower cover - dusting / panel - secondary anode
Counterweight - PVD/Counterweight Decoration - Titanium Anode
Sale method: In stock GB on our website

Estimated price: around 375usd

« Last Edit: Tue, 29 November 2022, 20:34:13 by CHAOSERA »

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/(Added titanium weight and accessory)
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 30 October 2022, 09:09:52 »
Very interesting, keen to see how it turns out

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/(Added titanium weight and accessory)
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 01 November 2022, 00:58:13 »
Very interesting, keen to see how it turns out
Thanks

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Update typing sound video
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 14 November 2022, 03:22:51 »
Updated on November 14th

Hello everyone, we are CHAOSERA!

Last time, we showed off some general looks of the keyboard and some fun gadgets. Today, let's talk about the liner structure of Heracles.




A good keyboard should not only look good, but also the typing sound and feel. But unfortunately, the two factors of sound and feel are too subjective.
There are a thousand Hamlets in a thousand people, and everyone wants something different.
So we were thinking, can everyone who receives Heracles have a better experience as much as possible?

After a series of fiddling, we came up with such a structure.


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This is a set of non-traditional gasket structure, we currently call it bottom gasket.

In the traditional gasket structure, the plate is usually clamped by the upper and lower shells. The parts of the upper and lower shells in contact with the positioning plate use soft contact to avoid resonance.

And our improved bottom gasket, the positioning plate is only used as a limit. There is no direct contact with the upper and lower case, and it is completely supported by the bottom foam. The advantage of this structure is that as the material and thickness of the bottom foam change, the sound and feel of the entire keyboard will also change.

At the same time, because the plate has no downward limit. When pressing and deforming, the distance from the board will not affect the feel, and the deformation consistency is very strong. In addition, since the case is fully filled, the mutual influence of the sound in the case is greatly reduced. These factors make the lower limit of the feel and sound of this keyboard higher, and the requirements for the switches and keycaps will be lower.

We have currently prepared 3 kinds of bottom foams with different hardness and different materials, namely sponge, CR foam, and Poron foam. There are 9 sheets of different specifications. Players can freely combine and use them according to their preferences. The specifications of the 3 kinds of foam are as follows:



Poron foam 1mm without hot-swap cut
Poron foam 1mm with hot-swap cut
Poron foam 2mm with hot-swap cut
Sponge 3mm with hot-swap cut
Sponge 4mm with hot-swap cut
CR foam 2mm without hot-swap cut
CR foam 2mm with hot-swap cut
CR foam 3mm with hot-swap cut
CR foam 3mm without hot-swap cut



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Different bottom foam combinations will present different sounds and feel, and with different positioning plates, there will be different effects.
This time, we also prepared 4 kinds of positioning plates, namely PC, POM, FR4, aluminum fixed (standard PC)



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The 4 types of  plates have different hardness and softness. And they are matched with 9 base foams of different specifications. I believe that in this way, the degree of freedom of Heracles can meet the needs of most peoples.
In addition, we will give you several recommended collocations. The softness and typing sound of these collocations will be presented to you in the video.







At present, the assembly video is also being recorded, and you are welcome to join the group to follow up the progress and discuss together!

Discord: https://discord.gg/eYBJpC8Zbf
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 November 2022, 19:24:33 by CHAOSERA »

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 28 November 2022, 00:30:11 »
Updated on November 28
Today we bring you more beautiful photos of Heracles.
The production of the keyboard has been roughly completed and it is expected to go on sale by the end of December.


current information parameters:
Layout: TKL
Keyboard Weight: 3.7kg
Assembled keyboard weight: 4.15kg
Color: Black Gold/White Gold/Dark
Surface treatment process: upper and lower cover - dusting / panel - secondary anode
Counterweight - PVD/Counterweight Decoration - Titanium Anode
Sale method: In stock GB on our website

Estimated price: around 375usd

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« Last Edit: Tue, 29 November 2022, 00:27:58 by CHAOSERA »

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 02 December 2022, 04:04:54 »
This looks gorgeous. Loving that PCD weight (though wish it was slightly bigger).
The artisan looks immense, love that tiger! Will definitely be keeping an eye on this one

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 16 December 2022, 23:31:43 »
This looks gorgeous. Loving that PCD weight (though wish it was slightly bigger).
The artisan looks immense, love that tiger! Will definitely be keeping an eye on this one
Thanks!

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 17 December 2022, 10:12:29 »
Veeery nice. If I had anywhere near the cash I'd be on this like nobody's business, there's not a lot of non WKL fullsizes and TKLs. That white would look damn good with Pyga :)
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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 19 December 2022, 03:46:40 »
Veeery nice. If I had anywhere near the cash I'd be on this like nobody's business, there's not a lot of non WKL fullsizes and TKLs. That white would look damn good with Pyga :)
Thank you for your compliment!

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 19 December 2022, 17:56:47 »
that artwork on the weight is just amazing!

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 09 January 2023, 07:50:00 »
The board looks really great. Finally a wk tkl for people who are getting tired of wkls. Is there going to be another drop? If so, when? I am sorry if the info is out there and i am asking again but i have not been able to see anything regarding an upcoming sale

Thanks and keep up the good work!

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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 11 January 2023, 12:17:02 »
It looks really great
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Re: [IC] Heracles 80 TKL/Keyboard Image Update
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 16 January 2023, 13:23:13 »
 :eek: :eek: surface looks adorable