[DISCUSSION] Moogle kit round 3

[litster]

^ Lets do this.

Throwing it out there as well, if we're redesigning the caps lock, could we not do it in the handbag style? I'm not fussed either way but it could be quite nice.

Are you suggesting just handbag or handbag + "Caps Lock"?

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Looks good, but doesn't seem to belong to Moogle Kit.  Kind of like Fusion Asian food, sometimes it is good, but it is neither Chinese, nor Vietnamese, or Japanese, or Korean, or food from other Asian countries.  :-)

[The_Ed]

I put in my 2 cents. This is a discussion thread. This is why I paid $100.06 in the phantom switch group buy, I can get exactly what I want. Since I can't get what I want from this GB I will not be joining it.

[tsangan]

Looks good, but doesn't seem to belong to Moogle Kit.  Kind of like Fusion Asian food, sometimes it is good, but it is neither Chinese, nor Vietnamese, or Japanese, or Korean, or food from other Asian countries.  :-)

I agree, I would prefer to stick with normal "Caps Lock"

[Grond]

I vote for just the handbag.

[pitashen]

I agree, I would prefer to stick with normal "Caps Lock"

+1

[tsangan]

is it a ISO/EU thing?

[litster]

I put in my 2 cents. This is a discussion thread. This is why I paid $100.06 in the phantom switch group buy, I can get exactly what I want. Since I can't get what I want from this GB I will not be joining it.

Very true.  I am not in all group buys here either.  I think most of us are not in every group buy either.  Hey, we found some thing we have in common?  Ha!

[hashbaz]

is it a ISO/EU thing?

Yup, same with the shifts that just have arrows.

Sorry Europeans, but we're sticking with "Caps Lock", ANSI style.

[tsangan]

I put in my 2 cents. This is a discussion thread. This is why I paid $100.06 in the phantom switch group buy, I can get exactly what I want. Since I can't get what I want from this GB I will not be joining it.

You mean you didn't ask for just the stems with no spring and only the bottom switch housing? Since they make all of it you should be able to get what you want!

[Hzza]

Yup, same with the shifts that just have arrows.

Sorry Europeans, but we're sticking with "Caps Lock", ANSI style.

No worries, was just a suggestion . I have both styles anyway :hat:

[The_Ed]

You mean you didn't ask for just the stems with no spring and only the bottom switch housing? Since they make all of it you should be able to get what you want!

I can't believe that you say that "I" bark tsangan. Stop being a ****. Everyone wants what they want. Just because I want something that you don't doesn't mean you should ridicule me like a troll.

[tsangan]

I wanted just the blue stems without spring, with just the bottom housing, it wasn't available so I bought blue switches

I was just telling you a story, did I offend you?

[kikkobots]

noob question!! whats a moogle kit :jaw:

[hashbaz]

noob question!! whats a moogle kit :jaw:

A moogle kit replaces keys from vintage key sets that are incompatible with modern keyboards.  Someone posted a link in here somewhere to a good explanation.  Like ripster said, the name comes from a member here whose username is MoogleStiltskin.  He came up with the idea.

[metafour]

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Damn, I need a vim key!

[lightsout714]

Damn, I need a vim key!

Sorry I didn't get it with the set or it would be yours.

[metafour]

If GB 4 actually happens I should have one plus one of the caps lock ones. I really want a retro one to complete my retro kit but not sure I want to pay $20 for that one key in that style.

[pitashen]

The kit name came from the member "user name." Apparently he liked moogle a lot he even got a website designed after moogle

while moogle is really this:



if you play final fantasy series, you would know them.

[pitashen]

I can't believe that you say that "I" bark tsangan. Stop being a ****.

Someone from GH got temp banned for calling someone else a douchebag.

Just a heads up so u don't find urself getting banned.

Ed. If u are not in, think u should hang around in some other threads. Just a suggestion.

[litster]

I think he called someone a Dolchbag.

[tsangan]

I think he called someone a Dolchbag.

Can I get a Dolchbag?

[hashbaz]

Yeah +1 for Dolchbags, I could use some new keys.  Interest check!

[litster]

I want a Dolchbag on my non-stepped off-center stem Capslock keycap.

[hashbaz]

Here is the pricing breakdown that Melissa came back with.  I forgot to ask her about Backspace and Tab for the (potential) full mod add-on.  Will do that tomorrow.

Bear in mind that these are just the raw production costs.  The final pricing will have other fixed costs factored in (legend fees, shipping from SP, shipping supplies, etc.)

|-
|qty
|Base Kit - 2 Ctrl, 2 Alt, 2 Win, left Shift (ANSI), right Shift, Menu, Caps Lock, Universal space bar
|-
|25
|$25.62
|-
|50
|$17.47
|-
|75
|$14.75
|-
|100
|$13.39
|-
|150
|$12.03
|-
|200
|$11.35[/table]

|-
|qty
|Base Kit++ - Base Kit, 2 blank modifiers, stepped Caps Lock
|Delta from regular Base Kit
|-
|25
|$33.77
| +$8.15
|-
|50
|$23
| +$5.53
|-
|75
|$19.30
| +$4.55
|-
|100
|$17.28
| +$3.89
|-
|150
|$15.43
| +$3.40
|-
|200
|$14.47
| +$3.12[/table]

|-
|qty
|Anti-Caps - 1.75x Ctrl, 1.25x Caps Lock, 1.5x Caps Lock
|ISO Adapter - Enter, Backslash/Pipe
|-
|25
|$14.59
|$9.58
|-
|50
|$8.71
|$5.66
|-
|75
|$6.75
|$4.36
|-
|100
|$5.77
|$3.70
|-
|150
|$4.78
|$3.04
|-
|200
|$4.30
|$2.72[/table]

|-
|qty
|ISO left Shift
|Blank modifier
|Universal space bar
|-
|25
|$1.31
|$2.43
|$3.65
|-
|50
|$1.03
|$1.45
|$2.56
|-
|75
|$0.94
|$1.12
|$2.20
|-
|100
|$0.89
|$0.96
|$2.02
|-
|150
|$0.89
|$0.79
|$1.84
|-
|200
|$0.82
|$0.71
|$1.75[/table]

[tsangan]

Whats the legend fee looking like for Enter and Backslash? I'm going to assume its the same as all the other legends for these GB

Can we get a list of the keys that require legend fees?

• flat caps lock
• stepped caps lock
• 1.75x Control
• 1.25x Caps
• 1.5x Caps
• Enter
• Backslash

Are those it?

Pricing doesn't look too bad, are we not including ISO in main base kit? but as a add-on instead?

I'm going to spend a small fortune on this GB .__.

[hashbaz]

Whats the legend fee looking like for Enter and Backslash? I'm going to assume its the same as all the other legends for these GB

Can we get a list of the keys that require legend fees?
flat caps lock
stepped caps lock
1.75x Control
1.25x Caps
1.5x Caps
Enter
Backslash

Are those it?

The fees for my RGBY buy were all $35.  I would assume similar for this.  I believe that is all the new legends since we will be using SP's standard Win and Menu.

[tsangan]

The fees for my RGBY buy were all $35.  I would assume similar for this.  I believe that is all the new legends since we will be using SP's standard Win and Menu.

Ouch on the Anti-Capslock and ISO-> ANSI kit

Anti-Caps might get enough love for it to happen, ISO conversion kit I'm not so sure, but I do kinda want it just for the enter key, 2 keys left before all the modifiers are SP made :rofl:

[metafour]

Yeah, I'm not so interested in the anti-capslock anymore since I really only want the one key. I'll buy another moogle set instead of that addon.

[tsangan]

See what legend fees does to people!

Ship jumper :rofl:

Maybe Melissa will give us a discount on the legends ._______.

[metafour]

I was never all that interested in the anti-capslock anyway since it's more for people who do a swap instead of a straight up replacement.

[hashbaz]

I was never all that interested in the anti-capslock anyway since it's more for people who do a swap instead of a straight up replacement.

We could offer just the 1.75x Ctrl instead of a full swap kit maybe:

|-
|qty
|1.75x "Control" Caps Lock
|-
|25
|$5.25
|-
|50
|$3.29
|-
|75
|$2.63
|-
|100
|$2.31
|-
|150
|$1.98
|-
|200
|$1.82[/table]

[tsangan]

Not a bad idea, that should work better

[metafour]

I know that's what I want but the question still remains if there is enough interest in just that key.

[agor]

Why use SP's standard WIN&Menu?
Did cycloverid's Moogle GB use them, too? If I remember correctly he did the Cherry ones

[RColinTaylor]

I am of course in for one of each but I think it may be hard to get good quantities on all three of the base kits and THEN the addon kits.

[hashbaz]

I am of course in for one of each but I think it may be hard to get good quantities on all three of the base kits and THEN the addon kits.

Yeah, the colors might make this difficult.  Hopefully at least the black kits will be cheap.

[hashbaz]

Why use SP's standard WIN&Menu?
Did cycloverid's Moogle GB use them, too? If I remember correctly he did the Cherry ones

Yes, he did.  They were too thick however, so they won't match the new legends from my RGBY buy.  So rather than redo them and pay more legend fees we're just using SP's which are thin enough to match well.

[RColinTaylor]

Yeah, the colors might make this difficult.  Hopefully at least the black kits will be cheap.

White and Dolch may have pretty decent numbers but in the end we are looking at three competing buys in one; people don't like to spend money where they don't find it 100% necessary. I will do my best to convince people otherwise, of course.

[agor]

Yes, he did.  They were too thick however, so they won't match the new legends from my RGBY buy.  So rather than redo them and pay more legend fees we're just using SP's which are thin enough to match well.

Okay that makes it clear. Will the other legends be made thinner aswell (Caps Lock for example) or are they already thin enough to match your RGBY?
Guess I have to wait for my RGBY delivery to compare them

[Hzza]

White and Dolch may have pretty decent numbers but in the end we are looking at three competing buys in one; people don't like to spend money where they don't find it 100% necessary. I will do my best to convince people otherwise, of course.

I'd be in for at least 1 of each colour; I don't have any Black doubleshots yet but thats not to say I won't get some in the future!

[hashbaz]

Okay that makes it clear. Will the other legends be made thinner aswell (Caps Lock for example) or are they already thin enough to match your RGBY?
Guess I have to wait for my RGBY delivery to compare them

Yes, Caps Lock will be redone to match the thinner RGBY legends.

[fossala]

When are orders going to start?

[agor]

Then I will most definately be in for at least 1 set! And a stepped caps center stem if there is enough interest and if it's possible
Get this started quickly :whip:

[hashbaz]

When are orders going to start?

Then I will most definately be in for at least 1 set! And a stepped caps center stem if there is enough interest and if it's possible
Get this started quickly :whip:

I'm planning to start as soon as the legends are ready.  Hopefully next week.

[fossala]

Thanks for your effort and time hashbaz.

[hashbaz]

Thanks for your effort and time hashbaz.

:yo:

[lightsout714]

Looking good thanks for all the work. I'm at least down for 2x white base and 1x black base. With 1x ISO Adapter if that makes it in. Lets just be sure SP doesn't make the "\" key in beige! :blabla:

[korne]

Thx for the work hashbaz we need those moogle kits since actually its imposible to find one, i will buy 2-3 or maybe more... depend on price.

[tsangan]

White and Dolch may have pretty decent numbers but in the end we are looking at three competing buys in one; people don't like to spend money where they don't find it 100% necessary. I will do my best to convince people otherwise, of course.

Black will have the hardest time as usual

I don't see beige and Dolch having a problem at all

[dirge]

Think I'd be in for one of each, white black and dolch just to cover me off down the line..