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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 00:25:13 »
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.

Same thoughts here. Yea, the price is a bit higher than people expected from CM, but damn dude, how many topre keyboards are there. 4, realforce, HHKB, type heaven and the 660c. And do those offer compatibility with the majority, if not all, custom cap sets? Nope... or a very limited, very expensive set that are no longer available (speaking of RF colored cap sets from EK).
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #101 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 00:27:32 »
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.

Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #102 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 07:52:52 »
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.

Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.

Well yea that's the issue dude.

Here's an example :

Tesla's new car is currently leaking, so called Model E or Model III (name not final), and what does the people are expecting? A deluxe electric car at a low price. Low price is the whole deal here, it should not compete against higher end cars. If Tesla delivers, but the price range is not what the potential customers had in mind, well, it won't sell. Two reasons here:

- It's too expensive for the target audience.
- At the same price, other options are available as well.

Pretty much the same scenario here (I know it's not 100% the same but you get the point), CM's target audience is not those who already affords 660c, realforce or HHKB, but those who goes low-end with Type Heaven (not intended to diss Type Heaven don't get me wrong here).

Just for a little more you get a 660c and who cares changing the caps of that board, just look at them already, thick leopold PBT is by far the best arround already. At this point when you get a 200$+ board you understand the very basic concept of "function over aesthetics" and most probably you won't even care what your board looks like you just want the 200$+ feel right?
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #103 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 07:55:23 »


Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.

Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.

 thick leopold PBT is by far the best arround already.

You lost me right there.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #104 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:07:17 »


Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.

Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.

 thick leopold PBT is by far the best arround already.

You lost me right there.

I don't see why? I strongly believe Leopold PBT keycap sets are one of the best option there is. Apart of aesthetics, why would you change the stock keycap set on a Leopold FC660C apart from the spacebar which is ABS?

Yea ok there would be plenty of reasons like the feel or maybe you have preferences but it's already very good, at least i'd say worth 200$+ right?

Just look at that baby

https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,compact&pid=fc660ceg

Would you seriously get a Novatouch over this sweet little baby?

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:09:03 »
Any ideas as to when it'll be for sale anywhere other than the CM website?

This was a soft launch, probably, due to how they just kinda opened the page with no further advertising.

This board was hyped pretty hard at PAX East this past spring. They may go for a harder marketing push during Prime this year.

For what they did at East: They had a pretty large booth area, and a good part of it was computers with Novatouch keyboards set up with typing games.

Also, if there are coupon codes at Prime, they may be pretty good discounts (20% sometimes). I'll probably make a post in 'off-topic' to share the coupon codes I collect at Prime.

Looks like someone else was playing Typing of the Dead along with me!

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:18:06 »
My only knock with most of the Topre boards is the ABS spacebar. In all honesty it's one of the biggest reasons I haven't picked one up yet. Black 55g Realforce with full PBT and I'm sold.

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #107 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:27:52 »
My only disappointment with the NovaTouch is typing height - it's marketed as "low profile" when in fact it's the same as the QFR.  LIES!

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:35:19 »
My only knock with most of the Topre boards is the ABS spacebar. In all honesty it's one of the biggest reasons I haven't picked one up yet. Black 55g Realforce with full PBT and I'm sold.

I totally feel you

Why market a set as PBT if the largest keycap is ABS, it's just cheapery.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:37:54 »
It's hard to fault Topre on the spacebar - a lot of the keyboards from the past used ABS space bars and they didn't skimp on quality.

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #110 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:39:40 »
PBT spacebars are prone to warping which is why it's common to see ABS.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #111 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:40:00 »


Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.

Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.

 thick leopold PBT is by far the best arround already.

You lost me right there.

I don't see why? I strongly believe Leopold PBT keycap sets are one of the best option there is. Apart of aesthetics, why would you change the stock keycap set on a Leopold FC660C apart from the spacebar which is ABS?

Yea ok there would be plenty of reasons like the feel or maybe you have preferences but it's already very good, at least i'd say worth 200$+ right?

Just look at that baby

https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,compact&pid=fc660ceg

Would you seriously get a Novatouch over this sweet little baby?

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For someone living in Canada, this is very very shortsighted.

Please tell me where I can get AZERTY keycaps for my Realforces, my FC660C and my HHKB? What about QWERTZ sets for our german friends? Do you know that Spanish, Italian, Swedish, Finish... QWERTY or QWERTZ has many keys that differ from US QWERTY?

I think the answer is: there is NOWHERE I can purchase them. Actually I guess it would be possible to find some on ancient Topre keyboards... How long before I find one? Actually I need 5 sets (3xRealforce, 1xFC660C, 1xHHKB).

So my best bet is to find a way to put Cherry keycaps on Topre boards. I have several sets of doubleshot AZERTY that would be perfect.

If the Novatouch's stems are compatible, I'm planning to harvest them for my Realforce, so I can FINALLY get proper AZERTY keycaps on my Topre boards. If they are not compatible, I hope the Novatouch is well built and I'll say bye-bye to my Realforces (it will hurt).

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #112 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:43:56 »
The fact of the matter is the stock keycaps on most boards aren't really a factor for a lot of people here. So many people have spare sets ready and waiting just for a board like this.

And that Leopold linked is bland as hell, I can't stand the colorway.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #113 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:52:47 »
The fact of the matter is the stock keycaps on most boards aren't really a factor for a lot of people here. So many people have spare sets ready and waiting just for a board like this.

And that Leopold linked is bland as hell, I can't stand the colorway.

This. For a person that doesn't already have an extensive collection of aftermarket caps - a Novatouch is more of a significant investment. With regard to the FC660C, the layout kills me. It's a nice looking board and all, but if I were to have physical editing keys (ins, del, home, end, etc) I would rather have the whole bank and just go TKL.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #114 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 09:01:52 »
I don't see why that would be shortsighted from someone who comes from Canada?

We only have QWERTY here, arround 3 or 4 layouts all in all, mostly US. and even my keycaps show US layout but i'm typing french canadian layout all the time. If you have specific need i understand you would like your caps to fit but anyway you're touchtyping, you don't really need legends anymore do you?

As i said, yeah, there's plenty of reasons to change a set of course, but question is, is there really a "need" (not a "want", different things) to? Apart from the material and profil, i believe the rest is aesthetics for experienced typists.

You can harvest them too yea that would be great to see, but it's still 200$ for some plastic stems cause you gotta pay the whole package.

Is it worth a shot? Now that's your call from now on!
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #115 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:22:18 »
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
I touched on this in another thread.
The CM brand is average quality products at low prices. I personally hoped that the novatouch would follow this scheme so that topre switches have a better chance of becoming more mainstream. While I am sure there are a many people here on geekhack who will buy the novatouch at the $200 price tag, I am not as confident that the vast majority of CM's customer base will pick the novatouch over a $80 QFR.
Also with regards to the keycaps, I think this is further evidence of how people perceive CM products. Yes the difference might be $20 (and probably less to CM due to bulk purchasing power) but this highlights the cost saving tactics of CM. It is not unreasonable then to wonder what other cost cutting measures are being implemented. In general people do not mind this because of the price. With the price comparable to premium boards though, why not buy a premium product?
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #116 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:26:48 »
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
I touched on this in another thread.
The CM brand is average quality products at low prices. I personally hoped that the novatouch would follow this scheme so that topre switches have a better chance of becoming more mainstream. While I am sure there are a many people here on geekhack who will buy the novatouch at the $200 price tag, I am not as confident that the vast majority of CM's customer base will pick the novatouch over a $80 QFR.
Also with regards to the keycaps, I think this is further evidence of how people perceive CM products. Yes the difference might be $20 (and probably less to CM due to bulk purchasing power) but this highlights the cost saving tactics of CM. It is not unreasonable then to wonder what other cost cutting measures are being implemented. In general people do not mind this because of the price. With the price comparable to premium boards though, why not buy a premium product?
Just because CM boards are cheap doesn't mean they aren't a quality product, whether  something is premium or not is subjective.

MX stems on Topre PCB sounds pretty damn premium to me.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #117 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:27:33 »
The can keep the caps, sell a bare bones version for $99 and I'll grab one. =]

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« Reply #118 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:37:20 »
The new stems/stabilizer tech probably cost much more than producing some keycaps with existing molds.. Kinda surprised it will only cost $200 :p

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« Reply #119 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:38:32 »
I don't see why that would be shortsighted from someone who comes from Canada?

We only have QWERTY here, arround 3 or 4 layouts all in all, mostly US. and even my keycaps show US layout but i'm typing french canadian layout all the time. If you have specific need i understand you would like your caps to fit but anyway you're touchtyping, you don't really need legends anymore do you?

As i said, yeah, there's plenty of reasons to change a set of course, but question is, is there really a "need" (not a "want", different things) to? Apart from the material and profil, i believe the rest is aesthetics for experienced typists.

You can harvest them too yea that would be great to see, but it's still 200$ for some plastic stems cause you gotta pay the whole package.

Is it worth a shot? Now that's your call from now on!

It's shortsighted coming from anyone, including someone who lives in Canada. :)

I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well, but anyway... You know there are very good reasons to change the provided keycaps.

I don't touch type. I can if I try very hard, but then I'm slow, so I guess it's not touch-typing. I think most programmers have the same problem: we have too many special symbols to type and they are everywhere on the keyboard.

At this time, all my Topre boards have stickers. That's how I have converted them to AZERTY. But I have several AZERTY keycaps sets that I would really like to put to good use.

I know it's $200 for some plastic stems. I wish there were other ways... Mmh... 3D printing maybe?

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #120 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:41:07 »
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.

Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.

Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
I touched on this in another thread.
The CM brand is average quality products at low prices. I personally hoped that the novatouch would follow this scheme so that topre switches have a better chance of becoming more mainstream. While I am sure there are a many people here on geekhack who will buy the novatouch at the $200 price tag, I am not as confident that the vast majority of CM's customer base will pick the novatouch over a $80 QFR.
Also with regards to the keycaps, I think this is further evidence of how people perceive CM products. Yes the difference might be $20 (and probably less to CM due to bulk purchasing power) but this highlights the cost saving tactics of CM. It is not unreasonable then to wonder what other cost cutting measures are being implemented. In general people do not mind this because of the price. With the price comparable to premium boards though, why not buy a premium product?
Just because CM boards are cheap doesn't mean they aren't a quality product, whether  something is premium or not is subjective.

MX stems on Topre PCB sounds pretty damn premium to me.
Interesting. My rationale is subjective and you counter with another subjective statement. To be clear my thoughts shouldn't be taken as immediately dismissing the product. I am just pointing out why some people might be raising eyebrows. I will have final judgement on product when it comes out. I also do not feel bad for CM with some of these reactions. One downside to leading a hype campaign on a product is that there is inevitably some let down.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #121 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:43:12 »
I know it's $200 for some plastic stems. I wish there were other ways... Mmh... 3D printing maybe?

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54942.0

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« Reply #122 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 11:01:21 »
I know it's $200 for some plastic stems. I wish there were other ways... Mmh... 3D printing maybe?

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54942.0

WOW! I had missed this thread. My fault, I only read the "Keyboard" subforum, most of the time.

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« Reply #123 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 12:04:04 »
I don't see why that would be shortsighted from someone who comes from Canada?

We only have QWERTY here, arround 3 or 4 layouts all in all, mostly US. and even my keycaps show US layout but i'm typing french canadian layout all the time. If you have specific need i understand you would like your caps to fit but anyway you're touchtyping, you don't really need legends anymore do you?

As i said, yeah, there's plenty of reasons to change a set of course, but question is, is there really a "need" (not a "want", different things) to? Apart from the material and profil, i believe the rest is aesthetics for experienced typists.

You can harvest them too yea that would be great to see, but it's still 200$ for some plastic stems cause you gotta pay the whole package.

Is it worth a shot? Now that's your call from now on!

It's shortsighted coming from anyone, including someone who lives in Canada. :)

I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well, but anyway... You know there are very good reasons to change the provided keycaps.

I don't touch type. I can if I try very hard, but then I'm slow, so I guess it's not touch-typing. I think most programmers have the same problem: we have too many special symbols to type and they are everywhere on the keyboard.

At this time, all my Topre boards have stickers. That's how I have converted them to AZERTY. But I have several AZERTY keycaps sets that I would really like to put to good use.
First, using a national layout "designed" by a retarded monkey on crack (i.e. French AZERTY) *is* shortsighted.

Second, The Keyboard Company carries French, German and Nordic Topre Realforce keyboards.

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #124 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 13:56:19 »

I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well


En Amérique rien n'est adapté pour autre que les anglophones. Nous francophones devons toujours faire l'effort de s'adapter pour tout ce qui n'est pas couvert par la loi 101. C'est moche mais c'est la vie, 8 millions n'a aucun poids contre 430 millions. Dans tous les cas, on devient bilingue donc whatever, sa nous donne un avantage compétitif considérable au niveau international, entre 40% et 50% de la province est bilingue, un des endroit avec le plus grand ratio au monde considérant qu'il s'agit d'une langue latine et d'une langue germanique!

L'autre province très bilingue est le Nouveau Brunswick avec environs 30%. Les autres c'est très peu, malheureusement. On a plus de poids :/

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« Reply #125 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 19:53:08 »

I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well


En Amérique rien n'est adapté pour autre que les anglophones. Nous francophones devons toujours faire l'effort de s'adapter pour tout ce qui n'est pas couvert par la loi 101. C'est moche mais c'est la vie, 8 millions n'a aucun poids contre 430 millions. Dans tous les cas, on devient bilingue donc whatever, sa nous donne un avantage compétitif considérable au niveau international, entre 40% et 50% de la province est bilingue, un des endroit avec le plus grand ratio au monde considérant qu'il s'agit d'une langue latine et d'une langue germanique!

L'autre province très bilingue est le Nouveau Brunswick avec environs 30%. Les autres c'est très peu, malheureusement. On a plus de poids :/

I believe you understood that one if you use AZERTY :p

Donc tu écris les accents en utilisant les touches quote et backquote? Galère...

Technically I live in America as well, but in a part where AZERTY is not going anywhere.

I have tried to convert to QWERTY, but it's very impractical when you have to type a lot in French.

My compromise is to use ANSI, which I love because of the big Shifts, and to put AZERTY on it.

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #126 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 22:55:21 »
PBT spacebars are prone to warping which is why it's common to see ABS.
IBM didn't have a problem with theirs in 1981
The new stems/stabilizer tech probably cost much more than producing some keycaps with existing molds.. Kinda surprised it will only cost $200 :p
See, this is an excellent post, and a topic I'm surprised didn't come up earlier. I agree wholeheartedly, but I guess companies aren't allowed to make money anymore.

Guess what: the type heaven came out like 20 years after topre started making keyboards for everyone.

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« Reply #127 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 03:17:07 »
I don't see why that would be shortsighted from someone who comes from Canada?

We only have QWERTY here, arround 3 or 4 layouts all in all, mostly US. and even my keycaps show US layout but i'm typing french canadian layout all the time. If you have specific need i understand you would like your caps to fit but anyway you're touchtyping, you don't really need legends anymore do you?

As i said, yeah, there's plenty of reasons to change a set of course, but question is, is there really a "need" (not a "want", different things) to? Apart from the material and profil, i believe the rest is aesthetics for experienced typists.

You can harvest them too yea that would be great to see, but it's still 200$ for some plastic stems cause you gotta pay the whole package.

Is it worth a shot? Now that's your call from now on!

It's shortsighted coming from anyone, including someone who lives in Canada. :)

I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well, but anyway... You know there are very good reasons to change the provided keycaps.

I don't touch type. I can if I try very hard, but then I'm slow, so I guess it's not touch-typing. I think most programmers have the same problem: we have too many special symbols to type and they are everywhere on the keyboard.

At this time, all my Topre boards have stickers. That's how I have converted them to AZERTY. But I have several AZERTY keycaps sets that I would really like to put to good use.
First, using a national layout "designed" by a retarded monkey on crack (i.e. French AZERTY) *is* shortsighted.

Second, The Keyboard Company carries French, German and Nordic Topre Realforce keyboards.

I think I needed you to point me to the Keyboard Company.

I have already purchased all the mechanicals in ISO FR from them, thank you.

The Realforce 88UB has black legends on black keys. It's absolutely unreadable. So I have stickers on this one as well.

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #128 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 07:27:41 »
Donc tu écris les accents en utilisant les touches quote et backquote? Galère...

Humm

é = Bottom right next to shift "/?" key
è accent (Accent grave) is " ' " " key, you need to hit it first then hit any other vowel (can go on ù and à as well)
ê is on " [{ " Same as above, must be summoned.
ë is on "]}" must also be summoned.

Ouai c'est la galère mais on s'y habitue, sa permet de changer de langue vraiment vite. J'travail dans une entreprise bilingue donc sa m'arrange d'être compatible avec les deux langues sans devoir changer de layout!

Yeah it's crap but you'll get use to it, make you able to switch language real fast. I work in a bilingual enterprise and so it's nice being able to shift in between both languages without changing the layout.

Anyway now-a-day not being bilingual in Montréal is just weird lol
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #129 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 11:08:07 »
Donc tu écris les accents en utilisant les touches quote et backquote? Galère...

Humm

é = Bottom right next to shift "/?" key
è accent (Accent grave) is " ' " " key, you need to hit it first then hit any other vowel (can go on ù and à as well)
ê is on " [{ " Same as above, must be summoned.
ë is on "]}" must also be summoned.

Ouai c'est la galère mais on s'y habitue, sa permet de changer de langue vraiment vite. J'travail dans une entreprise bilingue donc sa m'arrange d'être compatible avec les deux langues sans devoir changer de layout!

Yeah it's crap but you'll get use to it, make you able to switch language real fast. I work in a bilingual enterprise and so it's nice being able to shift in between both languages without changing the layout.

Anyway now-a-day not being bilingual in Montréal is just weird lol

I should really try again to convert to QWERTY. I'll have to try at least one more time.

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #130 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 12:16:32 »
Donc tu écris les accents en utilisant les touches quote et backquote? Galère...

Humm

é = Bottom right next to shift "/?" key
è accent (Accent grave) is " ' " " key, you need to hit it first then hit any other vowel (can go on ù and à as well)
ê is on " [{ " Same as above, must be summoned.
ë is on "]}" must also be summoned.

Ouai c'est la galère mais on s'y habitue, sa permet de changer de langue vraiment vite. J'travail dans une entreprise bilingue donc sa m'arrange d'être compatible avec les deux langues sans devoir changer de layout!

Yeah it's crap but you'll get use to it, make you able to switch language real fast. I work in a bilingual enterprise and so it's nice being able to shift in between both languages without changing the layout.

Anyway now-a-day not being bilingual in Montréal is just weird lol

I should really try again to convert to QWERTY. I'll have to try at least one more time.

Yeah well my best friend Thomas goes to France most of summers and he usually says if you type a lot about 2-3 days you get full adapted. He says the worst is that you guys gotta hit shift to input numbers and that's a real hard sh1t to adapt to.

Still AZERTY is kindoff out of standard and i simply don't believe that it gives you any advantages against standard QWERTY, especially if you live in the USA you should convert for maximum compatibility with office noobs.
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« Reply #131 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 12:18:12 »
Is "purple slider" some kind of sexual innuendo?
My wife I a also push her button . But now she have her button push by a different men. So I buy a keyboard a mechanicale, she a reliable like a Fiat.

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« Reply #132 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 12:24:29 »
Is "purple slider" some kind of sexual innuendo?



not sure what you are referring to but the sliders on the novatouch are literally purple...

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #133 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 12:29:32 »
Is "purple slider" some kind of sexual innuendo?

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not sure what you are referring to but the sliders on the novatouch are literally purple...

Yeah what is he saying maybe if we talk about him at third person he'll feel target and suddently feel the urge to explain himself.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #134 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 14:43:53 »
Yeah well my best friend Thomas goes to France most of summers and he usually says if you type a lot about 2-3 days you get full adapted. He says the worst is that you guys gotta hit shift to input numbers and that's a real hard sh1t to adapt to.

Still AZERTY is kindoff out of standard and i simply don't believe that it gives you any advantages against standard QWERTY, especially if you live in the USA you should convert for maximum compatibility with office noobs.
I type frequently in English and French and in my experience Azerty ISO FR is a badly designed layout. I find Qwerty ANSI + US International more functional and logical for French.

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #135 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 16:46:53 »
$200 is not a bad price at launch for this board. I have no idea what all this whining is about.

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #136 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 18:37:53 »
$200 is not a bad price at launch for this board. I have no idea what all this whining is about.
But dyesubs! Totally agree man.
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« Reply #137 on: Sat, 16 August 2014, 08:16:59 »
$200 is not a bad price at launch for this board. I have no idea what all this whining is about.
The price is what it is. Would it be nice if it was cheaper? Of course, but there will always be unsatisfied people no matter the cost. I do think, though, that for 200 credits a non rubberized casing and better quality keycaps would have been nice.

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« Reply #138 on: Sat, 16 August 2014, 20:40:38 »
To begin with CM would need to recoup fairly considerable R&D and equipment costs.

I would expect to see the price drop once the boards become popular and more mainstream.

If a few popular stores (online and physical) start selling them, and they take off, the price could drop fairly drastically.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #139 on: Sun, 17 August 2014, 06:27:51 »
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.

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« Reply #140 on: Sun, 17 August 2014, 07:11:07 »
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.

I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.   

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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #141 on: Sun, 17 August 2014, 17:12:27 »
Anyone keeping their order that doesn't care for the free CM Storm backpack? :P
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« Reply #142 on: Sun, 17 August 2014, 17:16:38 »
Also interested in the backpack  ;D

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« Reply #143 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 05:32:23 »
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.

I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.   

For anyone who wants a Topre keyboard, they are likely to give the Novatouch a long, hard look, I would imagine.  It is a very standard TKL layout.  It has MX_compatible stems (which means PBT keycaps of your choice, or ABS if that is your thing, or even POM if that floats your boat - try getting almost any replacement keycaps for Topre stems).

Compare $200 to the price of most other Topre keyboards available now, plus CM's proven name and, hopefully, a good quality keyboard.
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« Reply #144 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 09:34:56 »
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.

I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.   

For anyone who wants a Topre keyboard, they are likely to give the Novatouch a long, hard look, I would imagine.  It is a very standard TKL layout.  It has MX_compatible stems (which means PBT keycaps of your choice, or ABS if that is your thing, or even POM if that floats your boat - try getting almost any replacement keycaps for Topre stems).

Compare $200 to the price of most other Topre keyboards available now, plus CM's proven name and, hopefully, a good quality keyboard.


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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #145 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 09:49:46 »
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.

I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.   

For anyone who wants a Topre keyboard, they are likely to give the Novatouch a long, hard look, I would imagine.  It is a very standard TKL layout.  It has MX_compatible stems (which means PBT keycaps of your choice, or ABS if that is your thing, or even POM if that floats your boat - try getting almost any replacement keycaps for Topre stems).

Compare $200 to the price of most other Topre keyboards available now, plus CM's proven name and, hopefully, a good quality keyboard.


+1 GMK Dolch on Topre anyone?


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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #146 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 11:58:07 »
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.

I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.   

For anyone who wants a Topre keyboard, they are likely to give the Novatouch a long, hard look, I would imagine.  It is a very standard TKL layout.  It has MX_compatible stems (which means PBT keycaps of your choice, or ABS if that is your thing, or even POM if that floats your boat - try getting almost any replacement keycaps for Topre stems).

Compare $200 to the price of most other Topre keyboards available now, plus CM's proven name and, hopefully, a good quality keyboard.


+1 GMK Dolch on Topre anyone?

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I think that would be the expression of most Topre aficionados sitting in front of a new "BlackWidow Croma". :p

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« Reply #147 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 12:57:07 »
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« Reply #148 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 20:39:41 »
Seriously though. What if Razer was the company that put out the equivalent of the Novatouch (MX stems, Topre electronics)?? Would you still buy it? I hate to say it...but I think I would. Even if only to harvest the sliders to put them in a decent looking board.
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Re: CM Storm NovaTouch TKL Available for Purchase
« Reply #149 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 20:47:11 »
Even if only to harvest the sliders to put them in a decent looking board.

That's probably what I'll end up doing with the Novatouch anyways.