Any chance for compatibility with the Pearl keyboard? From what I'm seeing it just needs an R3 1.5u "Tab" key and a R3 1.5u "Return key".
Unfortunately for people who enjoy proper legends and proper profiles for all caps, the pearl was designed specifically with the re-purposing of 1.5u tab and 1.5u backslash/pipe in mind. This was done to allow the board to be used with essentially any keyset, but had the inverse affect of ensuring it would basically never be fully compatible with any keyset since I don't think any other board uses 1.5u keys in both positions, meaning no set has ever included them.
I'd just like to point out that the current 40's kit for Neon Gelatin Evangelism includes R3 1.5 Enter and Fn keys, specifically so pearl could use it without that ugly hump
Centered legends are awful. The best thing about GMK sets is how well everything is aligned and justified. It's all in balance. Centering the legends ruins all of that, look at Tab and Shift. Centering the legends is like the only thing that would keep me from buying this set.
Did you not see the render of centered alphas but normal mods?
I am one of those that doesn't care about space cadet any and just wants this because it has cool sublegends and a monotone option. I'm not a fan of it being on Massdrop, but I may break my own rules and join the GB direct instead of waiting for mechmarket extras.
Also, in regards to the current argument, I'm pretty sure most of you missed the little post a couple pages back where it was said that making the legends centered would require many more molds than just the main alphas. ANSI only alphas, including numrow, would require 47(I think) new molds, and then you'd have your weird centered alphas with corner numpad and cornered mods. Realistically, you have 2 choices: centered alphas that don't match the modifiers or the numpad, or leave them cornered like they're supposed to be for cherry profile. Unless you want a base set that looks bad or costs $300, I'd say get your attitudes in check and accept cherry style legends on a cherry set.
This set is already requiring new Alpha molds (afaik no other said has had these symbols) so by changing ONLY to centered alphas you're not adding to the cost. And you can't say it objectively looks bad people have different tastes.
I’m referring TO the centered legend modifiers. They look like trash. Look at the left edge of center justified legends. Look at tab. Look at shift. It’s all over the place.
On standard left justified legends you get a starting point. An anchor for the stagger of the board.
The keys on a standard gmk set are aligned like print media. Center justified is just lazy trash. There was so much thought put into the original placement.
I guess in the plus side if you ruin the set with centered legends, I get to save a **** ton of money, cause then I won’t be buying the set and I’m thinking I’d have to get at least 2 of every kit with CORRECTLY justified legends.
Did you miss my entire point? I and others in this thread agree with you as far as centered mods vs left justified. But, you can have centered Alphas legends with off centered mods legends. Yeah it looks a bit odd with the combination of two different locations but to me it's better than having off centered alpha legends.
Lazy trash wtf are you even talking about this is a forum about keyboard/keycap designs nothing here is lazy we're having a discussion about the pros/cons of different designs.
You just love bad ideas huh. I wasn’t considering mixed justification because that is 100x worse.
Center legends are bad design. I get it, you like them. But if you did mixed justification id sooner pay people to not buy the set than actually spend money on it.
Center legends are bad. Just say no.
I don't really care for the way you rudely state your opinions as fact. The way you present your arguments makes it seem like you don't really care tbh, like this -
"I guess in the plus side if you ruin the set with centered legends, I get to save a **** ton of money"
Why should anyone consider your thoughts here at all? Its not based on any information or facts, just an opinion on a few options you've never even seen before, not even rendered correctly
I'm sorry I didn't realize everything I said that didn't implicitly include the words "in my opinion" was going to be taken as a statement of fact.
So please allow me to be clear.
The GMK legends are EXTREMELY intentionally designed. It wasn't just some lazy thing.
When I say mixed justification is 100x worse, first I am NOT being literal, but rather hyperbolic, but I am 100% positive if you took a mixed justification render and a standard cherry render and brought them the a design professor 10:10 would tell you the mixed justification was wrong.
By justifying to the left, you create an anchor, a starting point for your perspective. It creates the illusion of the entire layout being aligned because it STARTS aligned. You have to remember, we have trained our brains to read from a corner across, not from the middle. Good design doesn't just change what you see, but how you actually look at it.
You also risk doing things like creating a river or increasing the difficulty for dyslexic people to be able to properly read the legends (this may not matter to you, but a good designer will think about such things).
I also think the argument can easily be made that mixed justifications breaks one of the core design principals, consistency. An inconsistent design, by my measure, IS a bad design.
To me mixed justification is not even worth considering, and while it somehow offended you, I do regularly buy 2x+ of MOST gmk sets, so making this center justified WOULD save me a great deal of money given how much 2 full kits is likely to cost with the kit sizes and number of kits already being discussed here.
So now if we ignore mixed justification we can begin to look at our other options.
We could attempt fully justified, and I actually think for the right 60% board this could look decent, you could left align left mods, right align right mods and center align all the alphas, the problem there is that as soon as you scale PAST 60%, you are right back where you started, so then the question becomes which layout do you design for? Do you center align the right 60% legend and right align the numpad legends? Again. None of these options are consistent and all would ultimately still result in a mixed justification layout.
That ONLY leaves center justified only, but that means you need new legend plates for every single key on the board AND you are breaking compatibility with every single other GMK set being produced. It also opens the door to other problems, sure, with 2 legends you can add center justification on an alpha key without messing with vertical alignment, but what of single legend keys? Is your plan to run this set, spend a ton creating new legends just for center alignment and then never ever using any of those mods again? Or do you think you would want to make a non-space cadet alpha set too? So not just 1 expensive set, but 2 to make all that expense really worthwhile, otherwise you are spending a ton for a single run kit that will never be seen again.
You also ignore that as a standard GMK set, this should have no real issues hitting a decent moq, changing to something that is foreign to GMK buyers (since let's face it, not THAT many people are going to suddenly decide they need $200 in GMK keys just because center alignment) you risk alienating them. And with a kit like this, you need big numbers to cover the new legend costs.
So I'm curious, other than you personally being a fan of centered legends, what are the other upsides? What are the other benefits of using centered legends that negate and balance against the costs and risks? Are there any?
