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graphics card upgrade
« on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 06:10:50 »
I'm well out of touch with graphics cards - have been since, well, maybe 10 years ago.  There have been a few changes since then ...

Last week I acquired a depreciated asset from work - a Dell Inspiron 580 minitower PC (not slimline or SFF) with some RAM and core i5 CPU and an ATI Radeon HD5450 GPU.

The PC is faster than most of my other PCs (Macs excluded, but they don't run many of my games), but the video card sucks for gaming.

Technically, my budget is $0 :))

The PC has a 300W PSU, which I'd prefer not to have to upgrade in order to keep costs down.

I'm fairly sure it does NOT have the 4 (or whatever) pin extra power connector for a graphics card.

So, what graphics card would be a comfortable upgrade to play games from 5 to 10 years ago (e.g. Crysis, No Mans Sky, Stalker, Metro 2033), ideally without the extra GPU power requirement so I can avoid having to upgrade the PSU too?

Preferably under $100.

Bonus point if you can link to somewhere in Australia that sells it.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 07:02:21 »
Interesting - I was going to say the 300W PSU probably wasn't going to be any good but the HD5450 was recommended to have 400W+ so if you've checked it's stable while running games in its current configuration it should be OK with a similarly powered new(er) card.  The 55 chipsets used with the original iX CPUs have PCIE-2.0 which won't limit any card in your price range so that's good too.

Another consideration is what resolution are you hoping to play at?  At lower resolutions new low end cards tend to do better, at higher ones you might want an older but better card (or maybe it's the other way round?  I'm not exactly caught up myself, but adding this will help anyone who looks who is)
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 07:43:55 »
It may be a waste of money to do it up for games. Because it's not in a good bracket for price/performance given the psu limitation, cpu limitation,

1050ti is the only card that will fit into those limitations, and it's not really that cheap,  yet it only has 2012 lvl performance equivalent to an Ati hd 7970


if you're adamant about doin' it up...  look for 1050ti w/4gb ram at ~$100 refurb, maybe even new, on black friday this year.  Make sure to get one with Heatpipes,  the solid block versions run hot /noisy and can throttle.


1060gtx 6gb version might come down to $150 this black friday though.. big maybe..



Gaming right now, if you're NOT starting a Youtube streaming career,   you'd want at least the Intel 8700k overclocked to 5jigahertz


1080 or 1080Ti is best bang for buck considering the inflated pricing right now.  Anything less has 0x staying power.

1060 gtx w/ 6gb  is alrite, but honestly I still wouldn't recommend it because alot of games require way m0ar power these days (lazy programing).



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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 08:08:18 »
for that budget i'd look for both a psu and gpu on ebay

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 08:21:53 »
for that budget i'd look for both a psu and gpu on ebay

Never buy a used PSU. if will blow up, burn your house down, and you die.. all to save $20

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 09:41:38 »
for that budget i'd look for both a psu and gpu on ebay

Never buy a used PSU. if will blow up, burn your house down, and you die.. all to save $20

Go with a high quality PSU like Seasonic (or Seasonic based). Do not cheap out if you get a new PSU. My PSU came with a 7 year warranty and now there is even the prime series with a 12 year warranty. Also a 1050GTX 4GB is the really nice card for the money and also supports 4k. The GPU will run you a bit over $100 though. I got mine for $130 USD a year ago and they are around the same price on eBay.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 15:09:26 »
Interesting - I was going to say the 300W PSU probably wasn't going to be any good but the HD5450 was recommended to have 400W+ so if you've checked it's stable while running games in its current configuration it should be OK with a similarly powered new(er) card.  The 55 chipsets used with the original iX CPUs have PCIE-2.0 which won't limit any card in your price range so that's good too.

Another consideration is what resolution are you hoping to play at?  At lower resolutions new low end cards tend to do better, at higher ones you might want an older but better card (or maybe it's the other way round?  I'm not exactly caught up myself, but adding this will help anyone who looks who is)

I've read that Dell underclocked that graphics card or something to make it stable under 300W.  This is something that other people have discussed, but quite a few years ago when the machines were much newer.

Replacing the PSU is often suggested along with upgrading the GPU.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 15:10:37 »
for that budget i'd look for both a psu and gpu on ebay

Never buy a used PSU. if will blow up, burn your house down, and you die.. all to save $20

+1

PSU I would never buy used.

Or hard drives - the postal service might not treat them as precious.

RAM is also questionable, as you don't know if the seller has taken appropriate anti-static precautions, or just rippsed apart a PC to sell for parts.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 15:13:55 »
for that budget i'd look for both a psu and gpu on ebay

Never buy a used PSU. if will blow up, burn your house down, and you die.. all to save $20

Go with a high quality PSU like Seasonic (or Seasonic based). Do not cheap out if you get a new PSU. My PSU came with a 7 year warranty and now there is even the prime series with a 12 year warranty. Also a 1050GTX 4GB is the really nice card for the money and also supports 4k. The GPU will run you a bit over $100 though. I got mine for $130 USD a year ago and they are around the same price on eBay.

1050GTX 4GB?  Or 1050GTX Ti 4GB?

I can only find the 1050GTX 4GB (non-Ti) with 2GB RAM.

The 1050GTX Ti 4GB comes in at around AUD$250, which is more than double my (non-existent) budget :(
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 15:18:16 »
It may be a waste of money to do it up for games. Because it's not in a good bracket for price/performance given the psu limitation, cpu limitation,

1050ti is the only card that will fit into those limitations, and it's not really that cheap,  yet it only has 2012 lvl performance equivalent to an Ati hd 7970


if you're adamant about doin' it up...  look for 1050ti w/4gb ram at ~$100 refurb, maybe even new, on black friday this year.  Make sure to get one with Heatpipes,  the solid block versions run hot /noisy and can throttle.


1060gtx 6gb version might come down to $150 this black friday though.. big maybe..



Gaming right now, if you're NOT starting a Youtube streaming career,   you'd want at least the Intel 8700k overclocked to 5jigahertz


1080 or 1080Ti is best bang for buck considering the inflated pricing right now.  Anything less has 0x staying power.

1060 gtx w/ 6gb  is alrite, but honestly I still wouldn't recommend it because alot of games require way m0ar power these days (lazy programing).




Thanks for the list - I'll go through it soon.

I don't want to play new games, I have amassed, er, about 150 games, and about half of them won't run on my old PCs but will run on this Inspiron except for the GPU.  Most of these are 5 to 10 years old, so any graphics card that was good 5 years ago is probably considered old now, but should play those games well.

Grabbing one from the list at random, the 1060gtx 6gb costs around AUD$400 which is four times my (non-existent) budget.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 15:33:27 »

Thanks for the list - I'll go through it soon.

I don't want to play new games, I have amassed, er, about 150 games, and about half of them won't run on my old PCs but will run on this Inspiron except for the GPU.  Most of these are 5 to 10 years old, so any graphics card that was good 5 years ago is probably considered old now, but should play those games well.

Grabbing one from the list at random, the 1060gtx 6gb costs around AUD$400 which is four times my (non-existent) budget.



Australian dollroos is the problem here.

Seems murican' prices are much lower..

That's weird cuz, u got taiwan right next door making these things, hahahahahaha..


if budget is an absolute concern, 1050ti is going to be the go to, it HAS to be the Ti version w/ heatpipes, do not get the 1050 non-ti .


IDK, when the black friday equivalent in australia is,  but yea, 1050ti on one of those days then.. it should handle 1080p no probz.

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 17:28:00 »

Thanks for the list - I'll go through it soon.

I don't want to play new games, I have amassed, er, about 150 games, and about half of them won't run on my old PCs but will run on this Inspiron except for the GPU.  Most of these are 5 to 10 years old, so any graphics card that was good 5 years ago is probably considered old now, but should play those games well.

Grabbing one from the list at random, the 1060gtx 6gb costs around AUD$400 which is four times my (non-existent) budget.



Australian dollroos is the problem here.

Seems murican' prices are much lower..

That's weird cuz, u got taiwan right next door making these things, hahahahahaha..


if budget is an absolute concern, 1050ti is going to be the go to, it HAS to be the Ti version w/ heatpipes, do not get the 1050 non-ti .


IDK, when the black friday equivalent in australia is,  but yea, 1050ti on one of those days then.. it should handle 1080p no probz.


I know, sucks.  I think all the cheap hardware gets shipped to you guys, and we get what's left.

You suggested:

GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
Core i7 8700K ~ AUD$559 (just for the CPU, then I'd need new RAM, new mobo, new case, new PSU)
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti ~ AUD$1100 :))

I won't be playing the latest games - I tend to wait a couple of years until the price drops, and buy them from GOG or Steam sales.  My plan is that hardware prices have also dropped.

Most of the games I have are 5 to 10 years old, e.g. Metro 2033 = 2010 = 8yo, Stalker = 2008(ish) = 10yo, Crysis = 2007 = 11yo, No Mans Sky = 2016 = 2yo (the most recent).

suicidal_orange asked the resolution - the monitor is 1920x1200 so that, or half at 960x600.  Doesn't have to be full detail either, I grew up with games in the 80s and 90s so ultra-high detail is not a significant factor.  TBH I'd prefer to turn details down a bit to get better frame rates.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 17:49:31 »

GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
Core i7 8700K ~ AUD$559 (just for the CPU, then I'd need new RAM, new mobo, new case, new PSU)
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti ~ AUD$1100 :))



Hrrrrmmm.... ridiculous price,  maybe used on ebay..

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 18:22:18 »

GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
Core i7 8700K ~ AUD$559 (just for the CPU, then I'd need new RAM, new mobo, new case, new PSU)
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti ~ AUD$1100 :))



Hrrrrmmm.... ridiculous price,  maybe used on ebay..

Used prices are somewhat more palatable ...

GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$150-200
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$150-200
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$350-550
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti ~ AUD$500+

Looks like I'll also have to make sure a double-width card will fit in the proprietary Dell case.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 18:53:47 »
It's not just an Aussie problem. The mining craze is killing PC gamers right now. Honestly, I'd stay away from used cards at the moment, simply because used mining cards are out there and they're pretty much burned out by the time they hit the used market.

Consider AMD's RX 550 if you need to really cut down on price. It only has 2 GB of VRAM, but it's enough to run most of the games you mentioned (trying to max Metro and Crysis will still bring GTX 1060 level hardware down to its knees--still too much eye candy to render in those games). Try to run modern games on it though, and you'll basically be gimping yourself (we're getting to the point already where 3GB of VRAM holds cards back.) It's still well over 100 dollars in Aussie money, but it's cheaper than the 1050 and 1050 Ti (retails for 80 bucks USD over here). It's also about twice as powerful as your 5450, so worth it at least for a temp fix.

In either case, I'd consider looking at newegg.com/global/au for your parts.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 18:59:17 »

GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
Core i7 8700K ~ AUD$559 (just for the CPU, then I'd need new RAM, new mobo, new case, new PSU)
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti ~ AUD$1100 :))



Hrrrrmmm.... ridiculous price,  maybe used on ebay..

Used prices are somewhat more palatable ...

GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$150-200
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$150-200
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$350-550
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti ~ AUD$500+

Looks like I'll also have to make sure a double-width card will fit in the proprietary Dell case.

Get the 1080Ti..  get it.. if those are the prices, that's best bang for buck..

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 20:42:52 »
That PSU  is an issue, and while Dell used to use a proprietary ATX connector and later a proporietary mount (wtf Dell!), apparently yours does not. The rating is still a problem though. Luckily you can get a decent 450+ watt psu for pretty cheap these days.

Get the cheapest 450+ watt Corsair or EVGA power supply that you can, should be less than $40. It may not be a Seasonic, but let's face it, this system is not worth spending $100 for a power supply. You need good enough, not "I can power quad 1080 SLI for 10 years" good.  Then go on Ebay or Craigslist or whatever you have there and look for a Radeon Rx series card that a miner with a decent ebay rating is selling. Do NOT buy the generic Chinese cards no matter how good the deal.

You should be able to do all of that for under $150 and you will get between Nvidia 1050 and 1060 performance. Some will say that's nothing spectacular (it's middle of the road at best), but considering your budget, that's pretty darn good. Besides, your system (1st gen I series) can't really push anything better anyway (you are bottlenecked).
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 21:12:53 »
what exact cpu is this i5.
650 or 750
Not terrible ghz speed, but the L1, L2, and L3 cache size hurts 1st gen performance.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 21:56:41 »
It's not just an Aussie problem. The mining craze is killing PC gamers right now. Honestly, I'd stay away from used cards at the moment, simply because used mining cards are out there and they're pretty much burned out by the time they hit the used market.

Consider AMD's RX 550 if you need to really cut down on price. It only has 2 GB of VRAM, but it's enough to run most of the games you mentioned (trying to max Metro and Crysis will still bring GTX 1060 level hardware down to its knees--still too much eye candy to render in those games). Try to run modern games on it though, and you'll basically be gimping yourself (we're getting to the point already where 3GB of VRAM holds cards back.) It's still well over 100 dollars in Aussie money, but it's cheaper than the 1050 and 1050 Ti (retails for 80 bucks USD over here). It's also about twice as powerful as your 5450, so worth it at least for a temp fix.

In either case, I'd consider looking at newegg.com/global/au for your parts.

Good thought!  Although I'm not looking for a new card (as in the latest tech), so a slightly older lower-end card may not have suffered through mining.

RX 550 I can get locally new for about $160, Newegg seems to be a bit more expensive.

Mainly for my own reference, the list is currently:

Radeon RX 550 ~ AUD$160
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730

That PSU  is an issue, and while Dell used to use a proprietary ATX connector and later a proporietary mount (wtf Dell!), apparently yours does not. The rating is still a problem though. Luckily you can get a decent 450+ watt psu for pretty cheap these days.

Get the cheapest 450+ watt Corsair or EVGA power supply that you can, should be less than $40. It may not be a Seasonic, but let's face it, this system is not worth spending $100 for a power supply. You need good enough, not "I can power quad 1080 SLI for 10 years" good.  Then go on Ebay or Craigslist or whatever you have there and look for a Radeon Rx series card that a miner with a decent ebay rating is selling. Do NOT buy the generic Chinese cards no matter how good the deal.

You should be able to do all of that for under $150 and you will get between Nvidia 1050 and 1060 performance. Some will say that's nothing spectacular (it's middle of the road at best), but considering your budget, that's pretty darn good. Besides, your system (1st gen I series) can't really push anything better anyway (you are bottlenecked).

There are reports online of people using GPUs that require a 400W PSU in similar Dell computers with no problems.  I'll try the GPU first, if it starts flaking out I'll have to upgrade the PSU too.  Somewhere I read that the PSU in the Inspiron is a reasonable one so I'm hoping to get away with it.

what exact cpu is this i5.
650 or 750
Not terrible ghz speed, but the L1, L2, and L3 cache size hurts 1st gen performance.

Dell's description of the CPU based on the machine's service tag is "4WTF4 - 1 - PROCESSOR, I5-760, 2.8, 8MB, LYN, 95W, B1".

I'm definitely not expecting stellar performance out of it, just hoping that it will be better than a Core 2 Duo at playing the above games, and a few more of a similar vintage.  I tried one already, and CPU and RAM were almost idling but the game was playing like a slideshow - caused by the GPU.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 21:56:48 »
what exact cpu is this i5.
650 or 750
Not terrible ghz speed, but the L1, L2, and L3 cache size hurts 1st gen performance.

hrrrmm.. that's no problem for anything except games like starcraft 2.. which have a single thread bottlenecks.

1050ti is a good fit overall without gpu upgrade..

It may be possible to get an old overclocking mobo though..

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 25 September 2018, 23:56:49 »
There are reports online of people using GPUs that require a 400W PSU in similar Dell computers with no problems.  I'll try the GPU first, if it starts flaking out I'll have to upgrade the PSU too.  Somewhere I read that the PSU in the Inspiron is a reasonable one so I'm hoping to get away with it.
What are those GPUs, their wattage and how hard were they being pushed. How long ago where they doing this and how long did the psu last? PSUs lose capacity as the capacitors age  and these are now almost 8 years old.  More importantly, that power statement may have more to do with aftermarket power supplies, not an OEM, does your power supply even have two 8pin PCI-e power connectors?

If it has the PSU I saw on Ebay for it it's only capable of only about 130 watts on the 12v accessory line and lacks those connectors, don't forget, your hard drive and any other drives also use that power. A 1050 uses 70 watts, a hard drive uses 25, how much is that psu capable of today, because you don't have a lot of overhead at that point.

Edit... Don't forget about the dust it's acquired acting as an insulator.


It may be possible to get an old overclocking mobo though..
There's barely enough money in this budget for a GPU, much less a motherboard. By the time you overclock and put a 1050 you can bet even a good 400watt psu is going to be stressed.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 00:48:11 »
By the way, too little power is just as bad for a computer as a spike and when power supplies have a problem things get ugly fast.

A lot of people online will tell you it's fine, and it might be for 6 months, but it also might only be good for 5 minutes, you don't know when and you don't know how bad it will be, but it will fail. A good power supply that can't supply enough will go nuclear and eat itself trying (this is why people like Seasonic and such), a lower end power supply doesn't eat itself, it goes nuts and starts doing whatever which usually ends up destroying every part in the computer. It may be subtle, like eating up several usb sticks over a few weeks time (can't trust anything in that system now) or it can be catastrophic like the one that sent 12volts down the 5volt wires letting all of the magic smoke out of nearly every part in the system (cpu and ram were all that was saved on a $1300 system).

You need a power supply, before you put this card in, not after.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 01:17:49 »
There are reports online of people using GPUs that require a 400W PSU in similar Dell computers with no problems.  I'll try the GPU first, if it starts flaking out I'll have to upgrade the PSU too.  Somewhere I read that the PSU in the Inspiron is a reasonable one so I'm hoping to get away with it.

What are those GPUs, their wattage and how hard were they being pushed. How long ago where they doing this and how long did the psu last? PSUs lose capacity as the capacitors age  and these are now almost 8 years old.  More importantly, that power statement may have more to do with aftermarket power supplies, not an OEM, does your power supply even have two 8pin PCI-e power connectors?

If it has the PSU I saw on Ebay for it it's only capable of only about 130 watts on the 12v accessory line and lacks those connectors, don't forget, your hard drive and any other drives also use that power. A 1050 uses 70 watts, a hard drive uses 25, how much is that psu capable of today, because you don't have a lot of overhead at that point.

Edit... Don't forget about the dust it's acquired acting as an insulator.

It may be possible to get an old overclocking mobo though..

There's barely enough money in this budget for a GPU, much less a motherboard. By the time you overclock and put a 1050 you can bet even a good 400watt psu is going to be stressed.

I'd have to search again - there's a bunch of posts on the Dell forums about people upgrading GPU in these and similar Dell PCs.  Asking is graphics card X would work, someone says "but the PSU doesn't put out enough power", and someone else saying "I upgraded mine and it's working well".  Nothing concrete though.

AFAICR the PSU was reported to have only SATA and (20 pin?) mobo connectors, nothing else.  But a standard PSU will fit into the case, which is something at least.

You need a power supply, before you put this card in, not after.

I was afraid of that - eats into the budget a bit :(
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 04:29:50 »
Just throwing in some help I guess, I personally have the 1050ti and it's a great card for 1080p gaming, and by the sounds of your requirements for gaming is going to give you more than you say you need. I would probably look for a 900 series cards used as you can probably get one cheap and it will be powerful enough. PSU wise having a stable 500W PSU with a good rating (gold) is pretty important as you don't want your system to blow up, and I would get that first and use what's left on the GPU. So when you're on the hunt check benchmarks, see what prices you can get X card for and try and find the best balance for your budget. Just my 2cents.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 06:17:05 »
Just throwing in some help I guess, I personally have the 1050ti and it's a great card for 1080p gaming, and by the sounds of your requirements for gaming is going to give you more than you say you need. I would probably look for a 900 series cards used as you can probably get one cheap and it will be powerful enough. PSU wise having a stable 500W PSU with a good rating (gold) is pretty important as you don't want your system to blow up, and I would get that first and use what's left on the GPU. So when you're on the hunt check benchmarks, see what prices you can get X card for and try and find the best balance for your budget. Just my 2cents.

More great input, thank you!

And another card to consider.

Looking at a GeForce GTX 970 to start with, it seem to have more than enough power to run the games I have, but does need 2 x 6-pin pwoer connectors, so a new PSU would be absolutely necessary.

Based on Leslieann's valued input above, I'm pretty much resigned to getting a new PSU as well.

The GeForce GTX 970 looks like on eBay for about AUD$75 or, at one Aussie shop (not my usual one) for AUD$568 :))  Yeah, right.

The eBay ones are allegedly new, and the price is about what I was hoping to pay.  Maybe a go-er, unless you meant a different 900 series.

Now I just have to find a PSU...

I checked inside the case this evening, it looks like there is room for a double-width card.  And there are 3 SATA power cables, one 20 (24?) pin mobo cable and one other 4 pin cable going to the mobo - that's it!  No GPU power cables.  No molex cables.  It's as little PSU as you can get away with.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 06:43:28 »
Just throwing in some help I guess, I personally have the 1050ti and it's a great card for 1080p gaming, and by the sounds of your requirements for gaming is going to give you more than you say you need. I would probably look for a 900 series cards used as you can probably get one cheap and it will be powerful enough. PSU wise having a stable 500W PSU with a good rating (gold) is pretty important as you don't want your system to blow up, and I would get that first and use what's left on the GPU. So when you're on the hunt check benchmarks, see what prices you can get X card for and try and find the best balance for your budget. Just my 2cents.

More great input, thank you!

And another card to consider.

Looking at a GeForce GTX 970 to start with, it seem to have more than enough power to run the games I have, but does need 2 x 6-pin pwoer connectors, so a new PSU would be absolutely necessary.

Based on Leslieann's valued input above, I'm pretty much resigned to getting a new PSU as well.

The GeForce GTX 970 looks like on eBay for about AUD$75 or, at one Aussie shop (not my usual one) for AUD$568 :))  Yeah, right.

The eBay ones are allegedly new, and the price is about what I was hoping to pay.  Maybe a go-er, unless you meant a different 900 series.

Now I just have to find a PSU...

I checked inside the case this evening, it looks like there is room for a double-width card.  And there are 3 SATA power cables, one 20 (24?) pin mobo cable and one other 4 pin cable going to the mobo - that's it!  No GPU power cables.  No molex cables.  It's as little PSU as you can get away with.
nop I was thinking that 900 series of GPUs :) and if you can snap a 970 you should be pretty golden imho. Just see if you can squeeze in a decent PSU as well. Good luck on your journey  :thumb:
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 08:07:24 »
Just throwing in some help I guess, I personally have the 1050ti and it's a great card for 1080p gaming, and by the sounds of your requirements for gaming is going to give you more than you say you need. I would probably look for a 900 series cards used as you can probably get one cheap and it will be powerful enough. PSU wise having a stable 500W PSU with a good rating (gold) is pretty important as you don't want your system to blow up, and I would get that first and use what's left on the GPU. So when you're on the hunt check benchmarks, see what prices you can get X card for and try and find the best balance for your budget. Just my 2cents.

Man, when those 980 TIs were $200,  I regret not buying 4x..  GDI, i was so obsessed with 4k blurays at the time.. sigh... 980Ti can't play 4k h265..


970 is equivalent to 1060gtx, but 1060 has h265,  keep eye on the price, h265 decoding is important, because that cpu in the pc won't do it.


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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 08:19:01 »
On your current rig I think you could run something older like a GT 730 but the games you listed are really intensive so you would need to find something better. A power supply is what you need first but first find the power requirements of the card you plan on going with and then add 100 watts. That should be a good estimate of your overall power demands. You will also to need find a power supply that has the power connectors your GPU needs, e.g, 6 pin, 8 pin, 2x 6 pin, etc. It really doesn't hurt to splurge on a nice PSU since if in the future you need more capabilities hopefully you won't need to buy yet another. You just won't need anything crazy like a 800+ watt high end unit. I'd also recommend Corsair or Evga branded power supplies and 450W+ is where you should start looking. In fact my Evga branded unit was Seasonic based.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 17:59:59 »
970 is equivalent to 1060gtx, but 1060 has h265,  keep eye on the price, h265 decoding is important, because that cpu in the pc won't do it.
Besides h265, you are going to pay almost as much for a used 970 as you will for a used 1060 (used card market is still readjusting to the price drops), so why buy a card that is several years older for the same price and less capable (again, discount the Chinese knockoffs!).




I'm well out of touch with graphics cards - have been since, well, maybe 10 years ago.  There have been a few changes since then ...
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 18:36:44 »
If you haven't looked at power supplies, I suggest looking at Seasonic's S12II series. They're efficient (they're 80+ Bronze, but some models come close to Silver), very inexpensive (the 520 watt version only 80 Australian Dollars at Newegg, you can probably find it cheaper elsewhere), and are downright solid. They won't play well with Haswell, but you don't have Haswell (it can be remedied by turning off certain power states with Haswell anyway). They also have a 5 year warranty when bought new (not the 3 year warranty on the box--they changed it right after it was released) and despite what it says on the power supply, a single 12 volt rail (this is good for a 520 watt power supply, but with something like 700 watts you should start to consider dual-rail).

The M12II Evo is an improved (slightly) variant of the S12II that is fully modular. Non-Evo M12II are out there but are discontinued, and are basically partly modular S12II power supplies with no  other alterations.

Note that a lot of good quality "cheap" PSU's are based on the S12 II platform--Antec Earthwatts 520 is basically a slightly customized Seasonic S12II 520, for instance. Earthwatts 520 might actually be a better buy if you can find a new one, as they are cheaper due to lacking a power cable. If you have a solid power cable that works with it, you can use that and save some cash.

Like others have said, you do not want to play around with cheap or old power supplies. Dell's power supplies are only efficient for what they already have inside their systems--the 5450 is a power sipper, but anything even a little more powerful is going to suck power out of that PCIe port (about 70 additional watts if they're not overclocked--if they are, don't get a card without at least a six-pin power port, because they can ruin your motherboard).

The 9xx GTX series, as mentioned above, will be good for you, but be warned the 970 will be slightly short on RAM in modern games (it is actually a 3.5GB VRAM card, not 4 GB as advertised; this is right on the edge of viability for 1080p in newer games, but it did lead to a false advertising lawsuit when the GTX 9xx series was dominant). Because of this, however, they are/were not often used by miners, who preferred cards like the 980 Ti for their higher VRAM and compute power (AMD cards were far more dominant here for a while, as they had better compute performance than GTX cards at the time. Don't by used AMD cards, as AMD still gets used a lot for mining.)
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 22:08:34 »
I'm well out of touch with graphics cards - have been since, well, maybe 10 years ago.  There have been a few changes since then ...

Oh, one last thing Rowdy...
Check the monitor ports you have available. I recently upgraded monitors and I could no longer use my DVI cables or my mini displayport to DVI cables and had to dig out some HDMI cables until I could order some Displayport cables. New cards do not use VGA cables, and quite a few do not even support DVI these days. You can get adapters, but that will add another $10-$20 to your costs to do this.

My monitor is probably older than the PC.  It is a 24" Acer 1920x1200 monitor with one of each DVI and VGA ports.  It does not have HDMI.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 22:49:15 »

My monitor is probably older than the PC.  It is a 24" Acer 1920x1200 monitor with one of each DVI and VGA ports.  It does not have HDMI.

See if you can borrow a calibration probe from work..   It'll look brand new..

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 26 September 2018, 22:53:52 »
...(it is actually a 3.5GB VRAM card, not 4 GB as advertised; this is right on the edge of viability for 1080p in newer games, but it did lead to a false advertising lawsuit when the GTX 9xx series was dominant).

I got my $30 check from the settlement on the GTX970, lol.  I wonder how much the lawyers got from that.

Looking at your game list, the 970 should handle everything fine if you can get a good deal on one.  Otherwise, listen to the good folks and get a 1060.

Regarding power supplies, all of these people are dead on.  Lack of a reliable power supply = no joy.  No specific recommendations other than what the good folks recommend here.  No chinese or ****-tier power supplies, everything in the rig depends on clean, reliable power.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 27 September 2018, 00:22:29 »
My monitor is probably older than the PC.  It is a 24" Acer 1920x1200 monitor with one of each DVI and VGA ports.  It does not have HDMI.
Exactly why I mentioned it.
If you know other people in your area someone may have an HDMI to dvi converter you can have, some cards come with them, but you can get them online for just a couple dollars. Be sure to get the right one to use your current cable or you will be needing a cable as well.

See if you can borrow a calibration probe from work..   It'll look brand new..
I was more concerned with his ability to connect to it.
Ports have changed a lot in the last few years, and this being an older system, it's probably attached to an older monitor which lacks the newer ports. It's actually becoming difficult to find anything with a vga or even a DVI port these days. Some even lack HDMI, particularly as you go up in resolution.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 28 September 2018, 16:01:09 »
If you want to just snag a decent older card that runs on pci power, a gtx 750ti (make sure its a model that doesn't need a 6-pin) makes a fine 1080p gpu for games a few years old. 

They can be had decently cheap too: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ZOTAC-Nvidia-GTX-750-Ti-2GB-Graphics-Card-640-Cuda-Cores/123382350573?epid=2223409119&hash=item1cba2942ed:g:w1IAAOSww0xbpJjd:sc:USPSPriority!92084!US!-1

  or for a little more $, a 1050Ti is much better performing, but you can still find pci powered models. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1050-TI-4GB-GDDR5-PCI-Express-3-0-1050TI/263962680826?hash=item3d7566ddfa:g:nTEAAOSwdudbiWqg
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 28 September 2018, 16:41:23 »
def don't want to buy a 750,  needz h265/hevc

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 28 September 2018, 18:52:17 »
If you haven't looked at power supplies, I suggest looking at Seasonic's S12II series. They're efficient (they're 80+ Bronze, but some models come close to Silver), very inexpensive (the 520 watt version only 80 Australian Dollars at Newegg, you can probably find it cheaper elsewhere), and are downright solid. They won't play well with Haswell, but you don't have Haswell (it can be remedied by turning off certain power states with Haswell anyway). They also have a 5 year warranty when bought new (not the 3 year warranty on the box--they changed it right after it was released) and despite what it says on the power supply, a single 12 volt rail (this is good for a 520 watt power supply, but with something like 700 watts you should start to consider dual-rail).

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Note that a lot of good quality "cheap" PSU's are based on the S12 II platform--Antec Earthwatts 520 is basically a slightly customized Seasonic S12II 520, for instance. Earthwatts 520 might actually be a better buy if you can find a new one, as they are cheaper due to lacking a power cable. If you have a solid power cable that works with it, you can use that and save some cash.

Like others have said, you do not want to play around with cheap or old power supplies. Dell's power supplies are only efficient for what they already have inside their systems--the 5450 is a power sipper, but anything even a little more powerful is going to suck power out of that PCIe port (about 70 additional watts if they're not overclocked--if they are, don't get a card without at least a six-pin power port, because they can ruin your motherboard).

The 9xx GTX series, as mentioned above, will be good for you, but be warned the 970 will be slightly short on RAM in modern games (it is actually a 3.5GB VRAM card, not 4 GB as advertised; this is right on the edge of viability for 1080p in newer games, but it did lead to a false advertising lawsuit when the GTX 9xx series was dominant). Because of this, however, they are/were not often used by miners, who preferred cards like the 980 Ti for their higher VRAM and compute power (AMD cards were far more dominant here for a while, as they had better compute performance than GTX cards at the time. Don't by used AMD cards, as AMD still gets used a lot for mining.)

Lots of info, thanks.

I've got a few local preferred suppliers, and I'm a bit leery of getting some things off eBay.

I can get a Seasonic Focus Gold 450W for $99 from PCCaseGear.  The same thing from Amazon is $163.40 btw - just forget about the Aussie Amazon site, it is nothing like the US version.

The Focus Gold 650W is $129 - $30 more for an extra 200W - worth it?  Pushing the budget though.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 28 September 2018, 18:53:28 »

My monitor is probably older than the PC.  It is a 24" Acer 1920x1200 monitor with one of each DVI and VGA ports.  It does not have HDMI.

See if you can borrow a calibration probe from work..   It'll look brand new..

That's hilarious :))

We have no such thing.  Nor has anyone ever mentioned one.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 28 September 2018, 18:59:02 »

My monitor is probably older than the PC.  It is a 24" Acer 1920x1200 monitor with one of each DVI and VGA ports.  It does not have HDMI.

See if you can borrow a calibration probe from work..   It'll look brand new..

That's hilarious :))

We have no such thing.  Nor has anyone ever mentioned one.

Janice, the one who spends alot of time shopping her cat photos..

she might have one.

Chk ur coworker facebook profiles, the amateur photographers love to buy these things even though they really can't use um.

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 28 September 2018, 19:12:28 »
Prices on a 750 Ti range from $90 (used), $100 (new), up to $250.  I'll list it as $200 as the few places that still claim to sell them tend to have slightly higher prices.  The lower prices for it come from eBay.

There's been a few votes on a 1060, but that is way above my budget.  The 970 seems to be a close second contender,

Nowhere obvious seems to sell GTX 970 any more, and eBay prices vary.  I can get one from eBay for about $75, but it has "low consumption and calorific value" and "high quality and durable performance".  Something slightly lost in translation?  Rowdy becomes wary.

The next higher price is $140 for a used specimen.  Then quickly jumps up to $250.  Too far above budget :(  I'll list it for $150 as the $75 ones seem a bit dodgy.

GTX 750 Ti - rofl eBay sellers listing two items in the same listing, a SATA cable or a graphics card.  Choose one.  WTF?  Next ...  Lots of them have exactly the same pictures.  There is a used one with 2GB for $90.  Any good?  Do I really need h265?  Not going to be watching videos on this PC, just occasionally playing a few games like those listed above.

GeForce TGX 750 Ti ~ AUD$90 (used)
GeForce GTX 970 ~ AUD$150
Radeon RX 550 ~ AUD$160
GeForce GTX 750 Ti ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730

Seasonic Focus Gold 450W ~ AUD$99
Seasonic Focus Gold 650W ~ AUD$129
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 28 September 2018, 19:19:43 »

Lots of info, thanks.

I've got a few local preferred suppliers, and I'm a bit leery of getting some things off eBay.

I can get a Seasonic Focus Gold 450W for $99 from PCCaseGear.  The same thing from Amazon is $163.40 btw - just forget about the Aussie Amazon site, it is nothing like the US version.

The Focus Gold 650W is $129 - $30 more for an extra 200W - worth it?  Pushing the budget though.

Yeah, don't do ebay for power supplies.

Focus Gold 450 watt will be just fine for something like the GTX 1050/1050 Ti or RX 550/560. Those cards practically sip power. GTX 970 though... I'm not sure it would be safe to use on a 450 watt power supply, since it calls for a 500 watt PSU. Those specs are usually a little inflated due to the abundance of cheap power supplies on the market that can't do full power consistently (keeps graphics card manufacturers from being sued), so let me check out some old reviews and get back to you on that. Generally speaking though, the Focus Gold PSU's are fantastic power supplies for the money--better than the S12II and M12II Evo.

Keep in mind that there is both a Focus Gold and a Focus Plus Gold. Focus Gold is typically cheaper as it is only semi-modular (it's meant to be a sort of replacement for the S12/M12 II series.) Focus Plus is more expensive due to being fully modular (you only plug in the cables you need) and likely have somewhat better stability. This is Seasonic though, so the regular Focus Gold is something I would have no issues with running any graphics card on.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 28 September 2018, 21:41:42 »
If you're sure on the 1050ti make sure to get one that has the 6 pin connector.

Some cards draw from the pcie slot, and some boards don't deliver that much.

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« Reply #43 on: Sat, 29 September 2018, 19:26:11 »

Lots of info, thanks.

I've got a few local preferred suppliers, and I'm a bit leery of getting some things off eBay.

I can get a Seasonic Focus Gold 450W for $99 from PCCaseGear.  The same thing from Amazon is $163.40 btw - just forget about the Aussie Amazon site, it is nothing like the US version.

The Focus Gold 650W is $129 - $30 more for an extra 200W - worth it?  Pushing the budget though.

Yeah, don't do ebay for power supplies.

Focus Gold 450 watt will be just fine for something like the GTX 1050/1050 Ti or RX 550/560. Those cards practically sip power. GTX 970 though... I'm not sure it would be safe to use on a 450 watt power supply, since it calls for a 500 watt PSU. Those specs are usually a little inflated due to the abundance of cheap power supplies on the market that can't do full power consistently (keeps graphics card manufacturers from being sued), so let me check out some old reviews and get back to you on that. Generally speaking though, the Focus Gold PSU's are fantastic power supplies for the money--better than the S12II and M12II Evo.

Keep in mind that there is both a Focus Gold and a Focus Plus Gold. Focus Gold is typically cheaper as it is only semi-modular (it's meant to be a sort of replacement for the S12/M12 II series.) Focus Plus is more expensive due to being fully modular (you only plug in the cables you need) and likely have somewhat better stability. This is Seasonic though, so the regular Focus Gold is something I would have no issues with running any graphics card on.

Semi-modular is fine - according to the info the mobo and 8in ATX cables are permanently connected, the rest aren't.  Fine by me as those would be required all the time.

But ...

The PC has a 24-pin and a 4-pin power cable plugged into it.  The Focus Gold PSU (both of them) say it has non-modular 24-pin and 8-pin ATX cables.  The PSU specifications indicate it is supplied with main power 24/20 pins and CPU 8/4 pins - how does that work?  It is 8 pin or 4 pin?  Is it two 4 pin plugs that can sit side by side?  Is the mobo too old and I have to look for a PSU with only 4 pin plug?

Sorry for all the questions, I am so far out of date with this stuff.

This post suggests that the 8-pin plug separates into 2 x 4-pin plugs, and either can be used.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 29 September 2018, 19:43:00 »
If you're sure on the 1050ti make sure to get one that has the 6 pin connector.

Some cards draw from the pcie slot, and some boards don't deliver that much.


1050 Ti is too expensive at this stage, I'll probably go for the used GTX 750 Ti.

But ... (there's so many "but"s) ... this uses PCIe power, but not much of it.  Hopefully not an issue.

Although Tom';s Hardware review suggests that average FPS for BioShock Infinite is 57, Far Cry 3 is 40, Metro: Last Light is 50, and all using only 60W or so of power.  These are all 1080p at high detail - I'll probably run at similar resolution with lower detail, or lower resolution with higher detail.

So does the combination of the Focus Gold 450W PSU + (used) GeForce GTX 750 Ti seem reasonable?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 29 September 2018, 20:03:23 »
Don't expect too much out of the 750 Ti and you should be okay, that combo seems fine. In fact, somewhere down the line, should you feel like upgrading that GTX 750Ti to, say, a GTX1060, I don't see a problem because the Focus 450W Gold is a Seasonic after all. I have a Seasonic X-1250W Gold in my main rig since 2012, a testament to its durability and sheer power (had a water loop running for my 2x R9 290X before upgrading to a RTX 2080 TI yesterday). Have you tried looking at a used GPU? A used GTX1050 Ti would be a vast improvement over the GTX750 Ti, and I'm pretty sure the Fucus 450W PSU can handle the card. I'd recently snagged a GTX 1080 for about 456AUD (converted from local currency), it was a mining card but only for about 6 months  and still has about 18 months of warranty.....so glad the mining craze is dying down.

With regards to the cable 8 pin plug, I believe it can be separated into 2x 4 pin if your board doesn't need more power and has only a 4 pin ATX power connector. SImilar to the PCIe cables which can be use on 8 or 6 pin plugs on the GPU (depending on the GPU) since it can be separated into 6+2 pin.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 29 September 2018, 20:09:50 »
If you're sure on the 1050ti make sure to get one that has the 6 pin connector.

Some cards draw from the pcie slot, and some boards don't deliver that much.


1050 Ti is too expensive at this stage, I'll probably go for the used GTX 750 Ti.

But ... (there's so many "but"s) ... this uses PCIe power, but not much of it.  Hopefully not an issue.

Although Tom';s Hardware review suggests that average FPS for BioShock Infinite is 57, Far Cry 3 is 40, Metro: Last Light is 50, and all using only 60W or so of power.  These are all 1080p at high detail - I'll probably run at similar resolution with lower detail, or lower resolution with higher detail.

So does the combination of the Focus Gold 450W PSU + (used) GeForce GTX 750 Ti seem reasonable?

U reallllly shouldn't get 750,  it doesn't decode h265.. alot of video content in the future are gonna be h265.. 750 is very obsolete.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 29 September 2018, 21:22:27 »
If you're sure on the 1050ti make sure to get one that has the 6 pin connector.

Some cards draw from the pcie slot, and some boards don't deliver that much.


1050 Ti is too expensive at this stage, I'll probably go for the used GTX 750 Ti.

But ... (there's so many "but"s) ... this uses PCIe power, but not much of it.  Hopefully not an issue.

Although Tom';s Hardware review suggests that average FPS for BioShock Infinite is 57, Far Cry 3 is 40, Metro: Last Light is 50, and all using only 60W or so of power.  These are all 1080p at high detail - I'll probably run at similar resolution with lower detail, or lower resolution with higher detail.

So does the combination of the Focus Gold 450W PSU + (used) GeForce GTX 750 Ti seem reasonable?

U reallllly shouldn't get 750,  it doesn't decode h265.. alot of video content in the future are gonna be h265.. 750 is very obsolete.


This is a PC for playing 5-10 year old games, not decoding the latest video formats.  It doesn't need to have the latest and greatest of anything, just enough power to comfortably play games from 5-10 years ago.  And because it's already obsolete, I don't want to spend too much upgrading it for the intended purpose.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 29 September 2018, 21:45:00 »
Don't expect too much out of the 750 Ti and you should be okay, that combo seems fine. In fact, somewhere down the line, should you feel like upgrading that GTX 750Ti to, say, a GTX1060, I don't see a problem because the Focus 450W Gold is a Seasonic after all. I have a Seasonic X-1250W Gold in my main rig since 2012, a testament to its durability and sheer power (had a water loop running for my 2x R9 290X before upgrading to a RTX 2080 TI yesterday). Have you tried looking at a used GPU? A used GTX1050 Ti would be a vast improvement over the GTX750 Ti, and I'm pretty sure the Fucus 450W PSU can handle the card. I'd recently snagged a GTX 1080 for about 456AUD (converted from local currency), it was a mining card but only for about 6 months  and still has about 18 months of warranty.....so glad the mining craze is dying down.

With regards to the cable 8 pin plug, I believe it can be separated into 2x 4 pin if your board doesn't need more power and has only a 4 pin ATX power connector. SImilar to the PCIe cables which can be use on 8 or 6 pin plugs on the GPU (depending on the GPU) since it can be separated into 6+2 pin.

GTX 1050 Ti is still available in-store for AUD$240-260.  Second-hand is anything from $150 up, with dozens of bids and days to go.  There are a bunch of "new" "unbranded" cards on eBay for under $100 - those are probably the Chinese clones.  I'll avoid those.  All these prices exclude postage, btw, so at end of auction including postage they probably won't be far off the price of a new card.

Unfortunately this is starting to push the price a bit higher than I would have liked.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 00:01:36 »
GTX 1050 Ti is still available in-store for AUD$240-260.  Second-hand is anything from $150 up, with dozens of bids and days to go.  There are a bunch of "new" "unbranded" cards on eBay for under $100 - those are probably the Chinese clones.  I'll avoid those.  All these prices exclude postage, btw, so at end of auction including postage they probably won't be far off the price of a new card.

Unfortunately this is starting to push the price a bit higher than I would have liked.
Oh man, I'd forgotten how badly Aussie hardware price sucks the big one......I was astounded at the prices I see in eBay Australia. Are you set on nVidia, or would you consider AMD? The latter has great bang for buck value, consider the RX470....
https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xrx+470.TRS0&_nkw=rx+470&_sacat=27386&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=27386&_odkw=rx+480&LH_TitleDesc=0

Look at the Int'l listing, some can be had for pretty cheap. In my neck of the wood, an RX 580 8GB can be had for about 284AUD.....


I do understand your trepidation when it comes to buying used, the difference with me is, I get to meet up with the seller to test that the card is working. When I'd gotten my GTX 1080, the seller tested it by getting to POST. As card is under warranty, and should I encounter any issue, I could go to the distro service center to have it checked.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 01:05:11 »
GTX 1050 Ti is still available in-store for AUD$240-260.  Second-hand is anything from $150 up, with dozens of bids and days to go.  There are a bunch of "new" "unbranded" cards on eBay for under $100 - those are probably the Chinese clones.  I'll avoid those.  All these prices exclude postage, btw, so at end of auction including postage they probably won't be far off the price of a new card.

Unfortunately this is starting to push the price a bit higher than I would have liked.
Oh man, I'd forgotten how badly Aussie hardware price sucks the big one......I was astounded at the prices I see in eBay Australia. Are you set on nVidia, or would you consider AMD? The latter has great bang for buck value, consider the RX470....
https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xrx+470.TRS0&_nkw=rx+470&_sacat=27386&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=27386&_odkw=rx+480&LH_TitleDesc=0

Look at the Int'l listing, some can be had for pretty cheap. In my neck of the wood, an RX 580 8GB can be had for about 284AUD.....


I do understand your trepidation when it comes to buying used, the difference with me is, I get to meet up with the seller to test that the card is working. When I'd gotten my GTX 1080, the seller tested it by getting to POST. As card is under warranty, and should I encounter any issue, I could go to the distro service center to have it checked.

I always had Nvidia GPUs and Intel CPUs.  Then one day I got an Athlon 64 when they were still new and fresh.  Since then I've had a mix of Nvidia and AMD GPUs, but still mostly Intel CPUs.

If I start looking at AMD now, I'll have to start learning all their model numbers and stuff :))

This PC runs Windows 7 btw, if that makes any sense (driver-wise, perhaps).  It was supplied with Win7 back in the day, and I have no plans to upgrade to 10.  7 suits the games I want to play anyway.

RX 470, you say?  How about the Asus Mining RX 470 - "ASUS Mining RX 470 is designed for coin mining with high-efficiency components - delivering maximum hash-rate production at minimum cost." :eek:  That's the only one I could find new at the usual stores.

So as far as the RX 470 second-hand goes, one is listed for $150, the rest are $210 and up.

A bit out of the budget, unfortunately, although it sounds like a nice card.

The thing with newer cards is that they benchmark them using games of the period, most of which I have not got and some never even heard of.  A card from 5 or 6 years ago would probably be benchmarked using some of the games I've got, but would be a bit less future-proof.

Years ago there used to be a site listing a comparison of hundreds of graphics cards, from the latest (at the time) top of the range down to the most humble embedded GPU.  Is that still going?  I can't find any bookmarks and searches don't turn up more than a comparison of the latest dozen or so cards with a particular theme.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 02:27:36 »
Try this:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
and this:
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-470/3649vs3640

Thanks!

I found the first site earlier - it is the one that compares a dozen or so relatively recent cards.

The second one though, wow!  It even has the HD5450 on it (the current card), and either the 5050 Ti or the HD 470 is "insanely better" than it.  So whatever I get is likely going to be anywhere from considerably to insanely better than what I have now :))
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 22:32:37 »
But ...

The PC has a 24-pin and a 4-pin power cable plugged into it.  The Focus Gold PSU (both of them) say it has non-modular 24-pin and 8-pin ATX cables.  The PSU specifications indicate it is supplied with main power 24/20 pins and CPU 8/4 pins - how does that work?  It is 8 pin or 4 pin?  Is it two 4 pin plugs that can sit side by side?  Is the mobo too old and I have to look for a PSU with only 4 pin plug?

Sorry for all the questions, I am so far out of date with this stuff.

This post suggests that the 8-pin plug separates into 2 x 4-pin plugs, and either can be used.
Seasonic PSU's basically have a 8 pin connector that is broken into two parts, so yes, Dell's article is correct.

Also, AMD's mining cards are for mining only. They don't use the same drivers, and they often don't have any video ports. Even if they do, AMD's software will refuse to install the drivers needed for gaming--it's a bad deal for a gaming computer, even a light one playing old games.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #54 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 06:15:56 »
The 1050 Ti and RX 470 are both "hugely better" than the GTX 750 Ti, but also hugely more expensive.

Also unfortunately the used GTX 750 Ti sold.

For my reference:

GeForce GTX 750 Ti ~ AUD$90 (used)
GeForce GTX 970 ~ AUD$150
Radeon RX 550 ~ AUD$160
AMD RX 470 ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 750 Ti ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730

Seasonic Focus Gold 450W ~ AUD$99
Seasonic Focus Gold 650W ~ AUD$129

Curiously the GTX 970 comes out considerably better than the GTX 1050 Ti.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-970/3649vs2577

And is about half the price.

So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 07:08:16 »

Curiously the GTX 970 comes out considerably better than the GTX 1050 Ti.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-970/3649vs2577

And is about half the price.

So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?

Yea because of that memory controller problem. if you hit the last 500mb, it's low bandwidth

But, if you manage to stay below 3.5gb of vram use, there shouldn't be any microstutters.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 08:08:54 »
Try this:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
and this:
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-470/3649vs3640

Thanks!

I found the first site earlier - it is the one that compares a dozen or so relatively recent cards.

The second one though, wow!  It even has the HD5450 on it (the current card), and either the 5050 Ti or the HD 470 is "insanely better" than it.  So whatever I get is likely going to be anywhere from considerably to insanely better than what I have now :))

I'm running an HD5450 as well (core 2 duo, heh). Luckily the most demanding game I play is from ~2009 with hardware requirements from ~2004. Holy moly, I had no idea that there is an AGP card that'll outperform a HD5450 (GeForce 6800 GS)  :eek:

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 08:22:53 »

I'm running an HD5450 as well (core 2 duo, heh). Luckily the most demanding game I play is from ~2009 with hardware requirements from ~2004. Holy moly, I had no idea that there is an AGP card that'll outperform a HD5450 (GeForce 6800 GS)  :eek:


Yea but what if you want to play Overwatch at maximum settings at 4K w/ 200% render scale..

Gonna need at least a 2080Ti for just 60 fps..

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 16:58:17 »

I'm running an HD5450 as well (core 2 duo, heh). Luckily the most demanding game I play is from ~2009 with hardware requirements from ~2004. Holy moly, I had no idea that there is an AGP card that'll outperform a HD5450 (GeForce 6800 GS)  :eek:


Yea but what if you want to play Overwatch at maximum settings at 4K w/ 200% render scale..

Gonna need at least a 2080Ti for just 60 fps..


Overwatch far too recent for me - most of my games are 5+ years old.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 18:04:31 »

Overwatch far too recent for me - most of my games are 5+ years old.

It's like team fortress, except on Roids.. Also plenty of $$ Skins to collect.

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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 21:49:16 »

Overwatch far too recent for me - most of my games are 5+ years old.

It's like team fortress, except on Roids.. Also plenty of $$ Skins to collect.

I don't play Team Fortress either.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 22:33:25 »

I don't play Team Fortress either.

But, E-sports !!

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« Reply #62 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 22:41:30 »

I don't play Team Fortress either.

But, E-sports !!

This is our time rowdy,  we're finally the kewl  (middle aged men)


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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 00:21:49 »
So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?

Damn, Nvidia recommend 500W PSU for this card.

Plus I can't find a reasonably priced card, even secondhand.

The GTX 970 was released in Q3 2014.  What is the model before that, maybe release 6 to 12 months earlier?  The 960?  870?  Nvidia card numbers are not so straight-forward.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 01:52:42 »
So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?

Damn, Nvidia recommend 500W PSU for this card.

Plus I can't find a reasonably priced card, even secondhand.

The GTX 970 was released in Q3 2014.  What is the model before that, maybe release 6 to 12 months earlier?  The 960?  870?  Nvidia card numbers are not so straight-forward.
I think that's the 770.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 07:12:01 »
So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?

Damn, Nvidia recommend 500W PSU for this card.

Plus I can't find a reasonably priced card, even secondhand.

The GTX 970 was released in Q3 2014.  What is the model before that, maybe release 6 to 12 months earlier?  The 960?  870?  Nvidia card numbers are not so straight-forward.
I think that's the 770.

You probably want 500 just in case, but overall there's no reason to buy something less, because they're not cheaper or physically smaller.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 19:15:45 »
Keep in mind power supply requirements are usually overstated to avoid lawsuits caused by damage resulting from using low quality PSU's that can't consistently output their rated power. The 970 uses less than 170 watts in and of itself, unless there is a substantial overclock. That said, 450 watts would be pushing it with a first gen i5 setup.
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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 22:14:00 »
I think that's the 770.

Wouldn't have guessed that :))

They are not available new any more, used there are 2 listings for $51 and $99, still with a few days to go so the prices will probably increase.  The next cheapest is $349 for a Mac Pro :eek:

*sigh*

I wonder if the generation before that would ...

You probably want 500 just in case, but overall there's no reason to buy something less, because they're not cheaper or physically smaller.

Focus Gold 450W = $99
Focus Gold 650W = $129

500W variant is not listed, although there is Focus Plus Gold 550W = $145.

Keep in mind power supply requirements are usually overstated to avoid lawsuits caused by damage resulting from using low quality PSU's that can't consistently output their rated power. The 970 uses less than 170 watts in and of itself, unless there is a substantial overclock. That said, 450 watts would be pushing it with a first gen i5 setup.

It's got a 300W PSU in it atm.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 23:05:27 »
Actually, I meant with a graphics card installed as well. That 300 watt unit in the rig right now is probably good enough to run the rig as it currently is, I just wouldn't trust it for anything more. Especially regarding Dell, a company known for cheaping out in every way they can.

The thing about power supplies is if you don't give them a decent amount of wiggle-room, you're making yourself vulnerable to stuff like capacitor aging (not too much of a problem with the ones Seasonic uses, but still present). It will also have problems maintaining good efficiency, which would ruin the point of getting an 80+ Gold PSU.

One thing to point out if you're trying to save money: Silver, Gold and Platinum power supplies aren't any more stable than 80+ or 80+ Bronze. They're just more efficient. Try to find a 500 - 550 watt 80+ Bronze Seasonic unit if you can. As long as it's ATX and in a black (or blackish) box, it will be more than stable enough for a gaming system. I would be wary of units that aren't at least 80+ Bronze though--those are usually very old power supplies, and may not meet stability requirements for a modern system.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 04 October 2018, 08:31:01 »

Focus Gold 450W = $99
Focus Gold 650W = $129



Jesus,  in America, basic Seasonic 500watt units go for $30

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 04 October 2018, 13:10:56 »

Focus Gold 450W = $99
Focus Gold 650W = $129



Jesus,  in America, basic Seasonic 500watt units go for $30

Not the Focus Gold series. They may basically be replacing the S12-II series, but these prices are probably not too far off the US prices when adjusted for currency values. I'd say the 450 watt would probably be closer to 50 or 60 USD without checking, though, so that one probably is outrageous.
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« Reply #71 on: Thu, 04 October 2018, 21:58:53 »
Actually, I meant with a graphics card installed as well. That 300 watt unit in the rig right now is probably good enough to run the rig as it currently is, I just wouldn't trust it for anything more. Especially regarding Dell, a company known for cheaping out in every way they can.

The thing about power supplies is if you don't give them a decent amount of wiggle-room, you're making yourself vulnerable to stuff like capacitor aging (not too much of a problem with the ones Seasonic uses, but still present). It will also have problems maintaining good efficiency, which would ruin the point of getting an 80+ Gold PSU.

One thing to point out if you're trying to save money: Silver, Gold and Platinum power supplies aren't any more stable than 80+ or 80+ Bronze. They're just more efficient. Try to find a 500 - 550 watt 80+ Bronze Seasonic unit if you can. As long as it's ATX and in a black (or blackish) box, it will be more than stable enough for a gaming system. I would be wary of units that aren't at least 80+ Bronze though--those are usually very old power supplies, and may not meet stability requirements for a modern system.

I can get:

Cooler Master MWE Bronze 550W = AUD$69 (the description says it is 80+)
SilverStone Essential ET650-B Bronze 650W = AUD$79 (description also says 80+)

I only went Seasonic as someone above suggested it, but one of these would be better as they are cheaper and I will have a bit more left over for the GPU.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 04 October 2018, 22:41:18 »

I can get:

Cooler Master MWE Bronze 550W = AUD$69 (the description says it is 80+)
SilverStone Essential ET650-B Bronze 650W = AUD$79 (description also says 80+)

I only went Seasonic as someone above suggested it, but one of these would be better as they are cheaper and I will have a bit more left over for the GPU.

Anything made by seasonic, is FINE for what you're doing.

Don't worry about the efficiency rating..


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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 05 October 2018, 00:06:45 »
I can get:

Cooler Master MWE Bronze 550W = AUD$69 (the description says it is 80+)
SilverStone Essential ET650-B Bronze 650W = AUD$79 (description also says 80+

Bronze indicates 80+ Bronze. Of the two, I'd feel safer with the Silverstone, simply because they have a better reputation for quality consistency (Cooler Master has put out some very terrible units in the past). However, the reason they're so low in price is because they're bargain-bin units--they're adequate for the job, but they are not meant to be used on gaming rigs.

Check out some reviews on jonnyGURU or HardOCP before you decide on a power supply. Especially jonnyGURU--that site performs in depth reviews and takedowns. If something is recommended by their site, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. If it gets below a 9 in total score, however, I'd avoid it if possible.

I'd also recommend looking into Corsair's TXM units if you can find a cheap place that sells them. CXM units from Corsair if they are 2016 or newer--the older ones cheap out on capacitors (avoid any CX psu that doesn't have an M at the end of its model number, as they will be pre 2016). Possibly the BeQuiet PurePower 10 CM 500 watt, although be careful as it has no surge suppression. I still recommend the S12II/M12II Seasonic units, IF you can find them for less than 100 dollars; they will likely be cheaper than the Focus PSU's.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 05 October 2018, 07:45:58 »
Jonnyguru's samples are not retail channel purchased ,   if someone scoped retail samples, they're going to be way off,

There is NO WAY retail samples will nail the kind of percentages of cherry picked PSUs for review..

Jonny let's manufacturers game his test for the money,  he's a shill through and through

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 04:58:53 »
Bronze indicates 80+ Bronze. Of the two, I'd feel safer with the Silverstone, simply because they have a better reputation for quality consistency (Cooler Master has put out some very terrible units in the past). However, the reason they're so low in price is because they're bargain-bin units--they're adequate for the job, but they are not meant to be used on gaming rigs.

Check out some reviews on jonnyGURU or HardOCP before you decide on a power supply. Especially jonnyGURU--that site performs in depth reviews and takedowns. If something is recommended by their site, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. If it gets below a 9 in total score, however, I'd avoid it if possible.

I'd also recommend looking into Corsair's TXM units if you can find a cheap place that sells them. CXM units from Corsair if they are 2016 or newer--the older ones cheap out on capacitors (avoid any CX psu that doesn't have an M at the end of its model number, as they will be pre 2016). Possibly the BeQuiet PurePower 10 CM 500 watt, although be careful as it has no surge suppression. I still recommend the S12II/M12II Seasonic units, IF you can find them for less than 100 dollars; they will likely be cheaper than the Focus PSU's.

I found Corsair CX450M 450W for $79 and Corsair CX550M 550W for $99 and Corsair CX650M 650W for $109.

Cue tp4 saying they are like $40 in the US, but these prices are from PCCaseGear which is kinda local (although not a retail store) and has reasonable prices.  You can get cheaper, but have to go further afield.  Also I got my first two modern mechanical keyboards from there :)  And a few other bits and pieces over the years.

For my reference:

GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2 GB ~ AUD$85 (used)
GeForce GTX 970 ~ AUD$150
Radeon RX 550 ~ AUD$160
AMD RX 470 ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 750 Ti ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730

Seasonic Focus Gold 450W ~ AUD$99
Seasonic Focus Gold 650W ~ AUD$129
Corsair CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79
Corsair CX550M 550W ~ AUD$99
Corsair CX650M 650W ~ AUD$109
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #76 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 05:03:11 »
Latest proposal:

Gainward GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2 GB ~ AUD$85 (used)
Corsair CX550M 550W ~ AUD$99 (new)

According to Nvidia, the specifications for the GTX 750 Ti it consumes 60W power and suggest 300W PSU, so the 550W would be more than up to the job.  If the 450W is as good, that would save me another $20, but getting the 550W now would save potentially upgrading both PSU and GPU in a couple of years time.

Any comments on that combination?

Thank you to everyone who has contributed so far - it turns out that choosing a GPU and PSU is far more confusing than the myriad of options available for a keyboard :))
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #77 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 06:54:48 »
https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=rx+580&_sacat=0&LH_ItemCondition=3000&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=13


If you bid, rx 580 seems to go for ~ 200-260ish which incl shipping

750 ti is not an option, stop thinkin' it.


At the VERY LEAST , get the 970..

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 16:19:32 »
Look, TP, he won't be browsing the internet, watching nifty Hulu, Netflix or Youtube streams  or doing decoding with this. The RX 580 will actually be massively bottlenecked by his processor--a first gen i5, which is only slightly more powerful than a stock Bulldozer/Phenom II processor. He's playing old games that--for the most part--won't even stress a 750 Ti. He also has massive budgetary concerns that limit his ability to purchase a more modern graphics card, and he's in Australia where prices and stock are a joke (I've looked--they're still selling circa 2000 Corsair power supplies in some of those stores for a price comparable to the Focus Gold).

It's also incredibly rude to tell people what their options are and are not. When it comes down to it, it's his money, not yours. He could blow it all on a Cougar power supply, a Voodoo 1 graphics card and a six pack of beer if he wants, that's his call. He's wanting help, not pestering.

@Rowdy, yeah, the CXM aren't top tier, but they're high enough quality for the rig you're running. Given the few Aussie-based stores I've looked at don't have much in the way of competition in your price range, I'd say grab the CX550M. These units are stable and clean enough that I wouldn't think twice about recommending them to someone in a pinch. And hey, all Japanese caps (this is a big deal in power supplies, as it greatly lengthens the lifespan of the unit and allows a bit cleaner power--that alone makes it a better buy than the Master Watt, which uses Teapo caps). Just make sure the power supply is a gray box unit before you buy. If the box isn't gray, try to find it somewhere else where it is.

As far as Gainward as a GPU brand goes, I don't know much about them, I'm guessing they're a more local brand. I don't think they sell cards in my area, so I have no experience with them. As far as the actual card goes, assuming the previous owner didn't damage it you'll be fine--all graphics cards are basically made from the same parts, and put together by OEM's either as a kit or the OEM just slaps a different heatsink and maybe a backplate on a card from the original manufacturer, possibly overclocking it a few megahertz. So card construction is hardly an issue. And I doubt the heatsink is much of an issue either. If you have a way to stress it and check the fans before you buy, do so.

By the way, the 750 Ti sips power compared to more modern cards. It has a 60 watt TDP, which means it will run cool too. If you're really tight for cash and set on a 750 Ti, grab the 450 watt CMX unit. You'll be fine with that setup. Theoretically, you could even use this on a 300 watt power supply, but with the age of the computer and the fact that the PSU is a Dell, I wouldn't want to risk it.

Just be warned that you won't be running games like Far Cry 3 (one of the more demanding games during its release) at 1080p 60 FPS with this card. 720p however will work fine (which is the resolution I think you said you'll be using? I can't remember).
« Last Edit: Sat, 06 October 2018, 16:34:34 by Carcharocles »
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 17:25:47 »
Not sure if it's worldwide but sometimes ebay has 15-20% off sitewide where you can get a good deal.
Picked up a 1080 for $250 the other week when it was on.

You looking for a 750ti?
I have one that's not being used now since the 1080 replaced a 780ti which replaced the 750ti.
Can send it on over although it does have a 6pin connector, not sure if you have to use it though.
Heard that sometimes that extra is just to help OC.


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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 17:27:34 »
Not sure if it's worldwide but sometimes ebay has 15-20% off sitewide where you can get a good deal.
Picked up a 1080 for $250 the other week when it was on.

You looking for a 750ti?
I have one that's not being used now since the 1080 replaced a 780ti which replaced the 750ti.
Can send it on over although it does have a 6pin connector, not sure if you have to use it though.
Heard that sometimes that extra is just to help OC.

1080 for 250 ?

whaaaaaaa.....  now way.... whaaaaaa...

Was this bid or buy it now.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 19:36:47 »
Look, TP, he won't be browsing the internet, watching nifty Hulu, Netflix or Youtube streams  or doing decoding with this. The RX 580 will actually be massively bottlenecked by his processor--a first gen i5, which is only slightly more powerful than a stock Bulldozer/Phenom II processor.

As far as Gainward as a GPU brand goes, I don't know much about them.

Gainward is an older brand, but they were not bad.
I get where Tp is coming from while not entirely agreeing with him. The 750 was a pretty lowly card even when it was new, at this point it's not only a lowly card, but an old and lowly card. It's just a bad choice, it just is.



Rowdy, look for a used 950, you should be able to find one for only a little more than a 750.
You might also be able to find Radeon 7850 or better, I found them for about the same price as a 750 but they perform about the same as a 760. I even found 7870's for a few bucks more and those are close to a gtx1050 in performance. I even found 7970s going for very cheap.

Check the chart here and start working your way up and see what you can get.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-HD-6970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-750/m7712vs3162
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 20:30:56 »
Not sure if it's worldwide but sometimes ebay has 15-20% off sitewide where you can get a good deal.
Picked up a 1080 for $250 the other week when it was on.

You looking for a 750ti?
I have one that's not being used now since the 1080 replaced a 780ti which replaced the 750ti.
Can send it on over although it does have a 6pin connector, not sure if you have to use it though.
Heard that sometimes that extra is just to help OC.

1080 for 250 ?

whaaaaaaa.....  now way.... whaaaaaa...

Was this bid or buy it now.


Buy it now, the card was listed for $315 & I had 20% off :cool:

It was a rear exhaust cooler which is why I think they listed it that low but it was the EVGA one which is actually good.
I think they actually changed some stuff inside rather than just slapping on the blower like the plastic MSI & Gigabyte ones which tend overheat, mine doesn't go over 80C.


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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 20:34:46 »


Buy it now, the card was listed for $315 & I had 20% off :cool:

It was a rear exhaust cooler which is why I think they listed it that low but it was the EVGA one which is actually good.
I think they actually changed some stuff inside rather than just slapping on the blower like the plastic MSI & Gigabyte ones which tend overheat, mine doesn't go over 80C.

They had those evga aio water blocks on sale a while back for $40 i think..



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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 21:16:13 »
Look, TP, he won't be browsing the internet, watching nifty Hulu, Netflix or Youtube streams  or doing decoding with this. The RX 580 will actually be massively bottlenecked by his processor--a first gen i5, which is only slightly more powerful than a stock Bulldozer/Phenom II processor. He's playing old games that--for the most part--won't even stress a 750 Ti. He also has massive budgetary concerns that limit his ability to purchase a more modern graphics card, and he's in Australia where prices and stock are a joke (I've looked--they're still selling circa 2000 Corsair power supplies in some of those stores for a price comparable to the Focus Gold).

tp4 just bein' tp4 - he's full of valuable information, but sometimes just has difficulty communicating the relevant bits :)

Not sure if it's worldwide but sometimes ebay has 15-20% off sitewide where you can get a good deal.
Picked up a 1080 for $250 the other week when it was on.

You looking for a 750ti?
I have one that's not being used now since the 1080 replaced a 780ti which replaced the 750ti.
Can send it on over although it does have a 6pin connector, not sure if you have to use it though.
Heard that sometimes that extra is just to help OC.

I've seen that on the Aussie eBay sometimes, but waiting around for it to happen - most likely easier just to grab what's available now.  Knowing my luck, if I wait for the discount period, no suitable GPUs will appear :))
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 21:41:36 »
Gainward is an older brand, but they were not bad.
I get where Tp is coming from while not entirely agreeing with him. The 750 was a pretty lowly card even when it was new, at this point it's not only a lowly card, but an old and lowly card. It's just a bad choice, it just is.

Rowdy, look for a used 950, you should be able to find one for only a little more than a 750.
You might also be able to find Radeon 7850 or better, I found them for about the same price as a 750 but they perform about the same as a 760. I even found 7870's for a few bucks more and those are close to a gtx1050 in performance. I even found 7970s going for very cheap.

Check the chart here and start working your way up and see what you can get.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-HD-6970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-750/m7712vs3162

The quiet voice of reason - thankyou again :)

I picked the Gainward because (a) it was the only one available at the time, and (b) at least it is a brand, not a no-brand half-price Chinese card (which flood eBay Australia btw - even ones allegedly coming from NSW have exactly the same picture, description and price as the half-price cards coming directly from China).

I have found a couple of used 950 for around AUD$130.  Nvidia recommends a 350W PSU for this card.  If I can get the cheaper PSU (CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79) I think I can get away with $130 for the GPU - total upgrade cost $209.  A bit more than I was hoping for, but my hope was tempered by the knowledge that any information I had on this subject was about a decade out of date.

The 950 is "much" or "hugely" better than the 750, according to that fantastic comparison site you linked - thank you again for that.

Looks like the 950 was succeeded by the 960, but the 960 starts from $180 (used) which puts it a bit out of the price range.

So, the latest proposal is:

GeForce GTX 950 2GB ~ AUD$130 (used)
Corsair CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79 (new)
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 21:58:54 »
Gainward is an older brand, but they were not bad.
I get where Tp is coming from while not entirely agreeing with him. The 750 was a pretty lowly card even when it was new, at this point it's not only a lowly card, but an old and lowly card. It's just a bad choice, it just is.

Rowdy, look for a used 950, you should be able to find one for only a little more than a 750.
You might also be able to find Radeon 7850 or better, I found them for about the same price as a 750 but they perform about the same as a 760. I even found 7870's for a few bucks more and those are close to a gtx1050 in performance. I even found 7970s going for very cheap.

Check the chart here and start working your way up and see what you can get.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-HD-6970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-750/m7712vs3162

The quiet voice of reason - thankyou again :)

I picked the Gainward because (a) it was the only one available at the time, and (b) at least it is a brand, not a no-brand half-price Chinese card (which flood eBay Australia btw - even ones allegedly coming from NSW have exactly the same picture, description and price as the half-price cards coming directly from China).

I have found a couple of used 950 for around AUD$130.  Nvidia recommends a 350W PSU for this card.  If I can get the cheaper PSU (CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79) I think I can get away with $130 for the GPU - total upgrade cost $209.  A bit more than I was hoping for, but my hope was tempered by the knowledge that any information I had on this subject was about a decade out of date.

The 950 is "much" or "hugely" better than the 750, according to that fantastic comparison site you linked - thank you again for that.

Looks like the 950 was succeeded by the 960, but the 960 starts from $180 (used) which puts it a bit out of the price range.

So, the latest proposal is:

GeForce GTX 950 2GB ~ AUD$130 (used)
Corsair CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79 (new)


950 for $130 or   970 is $150 from your list


970 is the best deal , 

It's either the 970   or a 10xx card..


970 will be the default option..

the cx450 will work fine.

for 10xx,  it's because it has hevc/h265 decoding which you WILL need if you use that pc into the future.. but not much of an issue if you eventually buy something like a roku.. 

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 00:29:05 »
thankyou again :)
You're welcome.
What you are looking at seems like a good way to go.


For those saying spend a bunch on power, I'm with you, but it needs to be within reason, sometimes good enough is just that.
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« Reply #88 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 01:54:15 »
The quiet voice of reason - thankyou again :)

I picked the Gainward because (a) it was the only one available at the time, and (b) at least it is a brand, not a no-brand half-price Chinese card (which flood eBay Australia btw - even ones allegedly coming from NSW have exactly the same picture, description and price as the half-price cards coming directly from China).

I have found a couple of used 950 for around AUD$130.  Nvidia recommends a 350W PSU for this card.  If I can get the cheaper PSU (CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79) I think I can get away with $130 for the GPU - total upgrade cost $209.  A bit more than I was hoping for, but my hope was tempered by the knowledge that any information I had on this subject was about a decade out of date.

The 950 is "much" or "hugely" better than the 750, according to that fantastic comparison site you linked - thank you again for that.

Looks like the 950 was succeeded by the 960, but the 960 starts from $180 (used) which puts it a bit out of the price range.

So, the latest proposal is:

GeForce GTX 950 2GB ~ AUD$130 (used)
Corsair CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79 (new)


950 for $130 or   970 is $150 from your list


970 is the best deal , 

It's either the 970   or a 10xx card..


970 will be the default option..

the cx450 will work fine.

for 10xx,  it's because it has hevc/h265 decoding which you WILL need if you use that pc into the future.. but not much of an issue if you eventually buy something like a roku.. 


The 970 was probably an eBay listing.  It appears to have sold.  There's a couple more listed currently at $110 or so, but with a few days to go.  The "buy it now" ones are in the order of $180 up, which puts it a bit outside my budget.

In any case the 950 is only 3 years old, and most games I have are somewhat older than that.

That's the thing with getting a newer card - the reviews test against newer games, which doesn't give me an indication how it would run older games.  But better, right?  Should be, should be ...

I'm not likely to use the PC for much into the future other than playing the older games I have.  If a newer game comes along I can try it at lower resolution and/or lower details, but for any significantly newer game I'd need a much newer PC anyway.  I know that.  This is not a future-proof PC, just something to get me by for now at minimal cost (cost me $0 and a little time so far).
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 07:37:42 »

I'm not likely to use the PC for much into the future other than playing the older games I have.  If a newer game comes along I can try it at lower resolution and/or lower details, but for any significantly newer game I'd need a much newer PC anyway.  I know that.  This is not a future-proof PC, just something to get me by for now at minimal cost (cost me $0 and a little time so far).

970+psu $50
8595(bench) for $230,  37.37


950+psu $50
5212(bench) for $180,  28,96


Math.. !!   You have to factor in the cost of the PSU, that's critical.. It illustrates why the 950 is not a super great choice.

64.9% faster for only 27.8% increase in cost.. !!




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« Reply #90 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 17:24:24 »
Math.. !!   You have to factor in the cost of the PSU, that's critical.. It illustrates why the 950 is not a super great choice.

64.9% faster for only 27.8% increase in cost.. !!
Building a system based on points per dollar is not an effective way to build a computer.

It always looks good on paper, for example a Pentium may be better per dollar than an 8700k, but there are other factors to consider  such as other software or hardware requirements or being able to eat next week.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 17:26:26 »
Math.. !!   You have to factor in the cost of the PSU, that's critical.. It illustrates why the 950 is not a super great choice.

64.9% faster for only 27.8% increase in cost.. !!
Building a system based on points per dollar is not an effective way to build a computer.

It always looks good on paper, for example a Pentium may be better per dollar than an 8700k, but there are other factors to consider  such as other software or hardware requirements or being able to eat next week.

Australia has Costco..  it'll be fine..  Top ramen + Tuna..  rowdy can get buff and play his retro-pc-games all at the same time... !!

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 17:23:48 »
If it's Aussie Dollars, then a GTX 960, 780 (old and power hungry), or RX 470/550/560

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 20:51:45 »
If you're considering a GTX 950 at 130AUD, why not a brand new Gigabyte RX 560 4GB at 139AUD?
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/gigabyte-radeon-rx-560-16cu-gaming-oc-4gb-video-card-ac05095

WIth that SilverStone Essential 650W PSU at 79 AUD for a grand total of 209 AUD, should be good for 1080P gaming at decent ingame setting....

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« Reply #94 on: Tue, 27 November 2018, 20:04:34 »
If you're considering a GTX 950 at 130AUD, why not a brand new Gigabyte RX 560 4GB at 139AUD?
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/gigabyte-radeon-rx-560-16cu-gaming-oc-4gb-video-card-ac05095

WIth that SilverStone Essential 650W PSU at 79 AUD for a grand total of 209 AUD, should be good for 1080P gaming at decent ingame setting....

mumble then I'd have to start comparing Nvidia with AMD mumble

I've had better luck with Nvidia in the past.

This is still ongoing by the way, but funds were diverted to a few large and unexpected bills over the past month or so, so I'm still looking.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 27 November 2018, 20:06:23 »
If you're considering a GTX 950 at 130AUD, why not a brand new Gigabyte RX 560 4GB at 139AUD?
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/gigabyte-radeon-rx-560-16cu-gaming-oc-4gb-video-card-ac05095

WIth that SilverStone Essential 650W PSU at 79 AUD for a grand total of 209 AUD, should be good for 1080P gaming at decent ingame setting....

mumble then I'd have to start comparing Nvidia with AMD mumble

I've had better luck with Nvidia in the past.

This is still ongoing by the way, but funds were diverted to a few large and unexpected bills over the past month or so, so I'm still looking.

The only difference right now, is gsync tax..

IMHO,  gsync ain't allllll that... hahahaha

But nvidia's not lettn' it go,  so you have to factor that into the monitor cost..



Best to just wait it out until 7nm..

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 28 November 2018, 04:11:08 »
Yep, nGreedia and their pricey Gsync modules which adds to the overall cost of a Gsync monitor. That's why I'm sticking with AMD, enjoying 144Hz Freesync 2 on my monitor.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 28 November 2018, 04:53:40 »
Yep, nGreedia and their pricey Gsync modules which adds to the overall cost of a Gsync monitor. That's why I'm sticking with AMD, enjoying 144Hz Freesync 2 on my monitor.



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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 31 December 2018, 16:33:38 »
If you're okay with purchasing used graphics card, it would be worthwhile to check out reddit.com/r/hardwareswap. If you want to know the usage/history of the graphics card, serious sellers will give you that information and let you know if the card is still under warranty (most should be).

I recently purchased a GTX 1060 for almost half its original price and put it in my fiance's setup (he was using a gtx660ti). He's been getting a lot more fps  :cool: and has had no issues with it
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« Reply #99 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:56:55 »
If you're okay with purchasing used graphics card, it would be worthwhile to check out reddit.com/r/hardwareswap. If you want to know the usage/history of the graphics card, serious sellers will give you that information and let you know if the card is still under warranty (most should be).

I recently purchased a GTX 1060 for almost half its original price and put it in my fiance's setup (he was using a gtx660ti). He's been getting a lot more fps  :cool: and has had no issues with it

I'd probably end up getting a used one anyway.  Not sure about reddit though.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #100 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 21:12:10 »
If you're okay with purchasing used graphics card, it would be worthwhile to check out reddit.com/r/hardwareswap. If you want to know the usage/history of the graphics card, serious sellers will give you that information and let you know if the card is still under warranty (most should be).

I recently purchased a GTX 1060 for almost half its original price and put it in my fiance's setup (he was using a gtx660ti). He's been getting a lot more fps  :cool: and has had no issues with it

I'd probably end up getting a used one anyway.  Not sure about reddit though.

At the moment this project is on hold due to an urgent house move.

Nah.. Get one of them Used 1070 for ~ $250 ish...  Get the one with the Big coolers,  Skip the small ones.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 05 March 2019, 17:50:43 »
I live in Brisbane and it just got a 2gb 750 ti gigabyte great card but you gotta upgrade the psu

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« Reply #102 on: Tue, 05 March 2019, 20:05:13 »
I live in Brisbane and it just got a 2gb 750 ti gigabyte great card but you gotta upgrade the psu

Yeah, I know.  I guessed that originally.  Still lacking funds at the moment.

And space to setup this second PC too - there is barely enough space for my main PC.

And my big desk was a casualty of the moving process - they stacked too many boxes on it and broke the top.  So I am on my smaller desk.
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #103 on: Sat, 18 May 2019, 14:32:55 »
1070 is great for the value. Btw im sending this from a fire tv stick.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #104 on: Sun, 19 May 2019, 18:26:17 »
My 970's(or one of them anyway) are starting to go bad, got a few BSOD's recently and they are getting super hot lately. I've no money so I'll be completely screwed when they go :(

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #105 on: Sun, 19 May 2019, 22:00:20 »
This project is still on hold, unfortunately.

I'm even trying to save up $20 a month or something, but that plan is not working 100% either.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #106 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 08:03:29 »
My 970's(or one of them anyway) are starting to go bad, got a few BSOD's recently and they are getting super hot lately. I've no money so I'll be completely screwed when they go :(


Have you given them a service?  Shoo the dust bunnies, oil the fans and fresh tim?
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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #107 on: Fri, 31 May 2019, 15:06:51 »
This project is still on hold, unfortunately.

I'm even trying to save up $20 a month or something, but that plan is not working 100% either.

Yep, i see it. We all have that problem.

AMD announced their budget graphics cards (I think 5500x or something) and they perform similar to a 2070. Once you save up the money, i suggest checking it out Rowdy.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #108 on: Tue, 04 June 2019, 21:57:18 »
This project is still on hold, unfortunately.

I'm even trying to save up $20 a month or something, but that plan is not working 100% either.

Yep, i see it. We all have that problem.

AMD announced their budget graphics cards (I think 5500x or something) and they perform similar to a 2070. Once you save up the money, i suggest checking it out Rowdy.

The way things are going, by the time I've saved up enough money I will have to start another thread :))
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #109 on: Tue, 04 June 2019, 22:22:05 »

The way things are going, by the time I've saved up enough money I will have to start another thread :))

m0ar ramen eaten = m0ar GPU p0wr.   Start your Ramen savings plan today


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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 05 June 2019, 21:50:50 »

The way things are going, by the time I've saved up enough money I will have to start another thread :))

m0ar ramen eaten = m0ar GPU p0wr.   Start your Ramen savings plan today



Rowdy has a family to feed too.  Ramen is not the most practical choice for everyone.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 05 June 2019, 22:12:47 »

Rowdy has a family to feed too.  Ramen is not the most practical choice for everyone.

Show them the origin of Grit

Without reference, modern humans live insulated from any true-hardship. They never have any opportunity to experience the despair their wasteful choices exert on the aching backs of the proletariat-class.



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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 05 June 2019, 22:38:01 »

Rowdy has a family to feed too.  Ramen is not the most practical choice for everyone.

Show them the origin of Grit

Without reference, modern humans live insulated from any true-hardship. They never have any opportunity to experience the despair their wasteful choices exert on the aching backs of the proletariat-class.




Fact: flash fried dried noodles have been around since flat bread.  As far as hardship, one only needs to go to school or enter the 'work force' to see and taste grit.

Besides, TRUE grit can make due without a GTX XXXX because TRUE grit could give two f's about what GPU they've got  No one wants to be TRUE grit.. that's just boring.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 05 June 2019, 23:01:39 »

Fact: flash fried dried noodles have been around since flat bread.  As far as hardship, one only needs to go to school or enter the 'work force' to see and taste grit.

Besides, TRUE grit can make due without a GTX XXXX because TRUE grit could give two f's about what GPU they've got  No one wants to be TRUE grit.. that's just boring.

There's a difference between  a 1st world  kid taking a break from cafeteria lunch plan by making ramen,   and a Proletariat where Ramen is the ONLY affordable meal.

Tp4 does not have all the answers, merely attempting to portray the larger contrast at play.


1080ti is not a must have,  but it's among the most useful devices.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 05 June 2019, 23:26:47 »

Fact: flash fried dried noodles have been around since flat bread.  As far as hardship, one only needs to go to school or enter the 'work force' to see and taste grit.

Besides, TRUE grit can make due without a GTX XXXX because TRUE grit could give two f's about what GPU they've got  No one wants to be TRUE grit.. that's just boring.

There's a difference between  a 1st world  kid taking a break from cafeteria lunch plan by making ramen,   and a Proletariat where Ramen is the ONLY affordable meal.

Tp4 does not have all the answers, merely attempting to portray the larger contrast at play.


1080ti is not a must have,  but it's among the most useful devices.


The only reason I said anything was because I was raised by survivor's guilt.  btw, how does one heat up and de-hydrate ramen in a cafeteria?  My 7-18 yr old bag lunch self wants to know.

Heck, want to see ruthless?  Want to see a persistent unrelenting 24/7 work ethic?  Watch the nature channel.  One can do that in 1080p 60fps even with a 1050ti.

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Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #115 on: Thu, 06 June 2019, 21:48:35 »
... all I wanted to do was play a few old games ...
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ