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Offline jabe8i

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 29 December 2022, 23:06:59 »
Quote from: firstworldproblems on Thu, 29 December 2022, 21:05:54
I too am disappointed to hear the arrow keys are gone. I will wait for new renders before passing judgement.

Isn't the board going to look like the pictures at the very top of this page?
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Offline hzh0525

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #101 on: Sun, 22 January 2023, 19:09:59 »
this is what I need! the most comprehensive full layout keyborad. I will definitely buy one when GB starts! Can't wait!
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Offline TjarleN

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #102 on: Mon, 23 January 2023, 05:15:44 »
I actually like the new layout, it is just like my w1 but with added fkeys and the knobs. Using numpad for nav is something I got super comfy with.
Not sure if I can join this project because of the price point but for sure something I will keep an eye on.
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Offline oilpapers

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #103 on: Tue, 24 January 2023, 15:51:47 »
Removed arrow keys takes this from Hero to Zero, will pass on that layout.
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Offline CaesarAZealad

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #104 on: Tue, 24 January 2023, 15:53:29 »
Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.
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Offline acerb

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 26 January 2023, 02:01:18 »
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Tue, 24 January 2023, 15:53:29
Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural... 
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Offline Leszy

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 26 January 2023, 02:51:10 »
Quote from: acerb on Thu, 26 January 2023, 02:01:18
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Tue, 24 January 2023, 15:53:29
Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...
One of the reasons for use and charms of full-size(ish) keyboard is, at least for me, no need for layers as you have keys for days. You can customise everything to your needs and not rely on your layers. This is why this change is so controversial for me. If I was to look for keyboard that will force me to use layers I would look for one that would give me at least lots of desk space in return (meaning 40-60%). TypeBox in its current form sacrifices both usability (forcing me to use layers) and desk space (being big chungus of a board) for undoubtedly unique and attractive form. I understand this take, but makes me not interested in TypeBox.
I guess I am not alone in this feeling as there are many voices grieving after arrow cluster.
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Offline oilpapers

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #107 on: Thu, 26 January 2023, 03:08:48 »
Plus for navigating spreadsheets you don't want to be switching layers any time you want to jump across a few cells and enter some values :/
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Offline ItIsWritten

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 26 January 2023, 06:11:10 »
And if you use the configuration mentioned with the cursor keys on the bottom part of the numpad, the number keys would all move up a row and not align with the keys left to it.

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Offline hello21

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #109 on: Fri, 27 January 2023, 10:24:58 »
No arrows is a yay to nay for me as well.
I feel the purpose of 100+ keys is removing the need to fiddle with layers
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Offline FitLabb

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 27 January 2023, 13:33:01 »
Quote from: Leszy on Thu, 26 January 2023, 02:51:10
Quote from: acerb on Thu, 26 January 2023, 02:01:18
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Tue, 24 January 2023, 15:53:29
Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...
One of the reasons for use and charms of full-size(ish) keyboard is, at least for me, no need for layers as you have keys for days. You can customise everything to your needs and not rely on your layers. This is why this change is so controversial for me. If I was to look for keyboard that will force me to use layers I would look for one that would give me at least lots of desk space in return (meaning 40-60%). TypeBox in its current form sacrifices both usability (forcing me to use layers) and desk space (being big chungus of a board) for undoubtedly unique and attractive form. I understand this take, but makes me not interested in TypeBox.
I guess I am not alone in this feeling as there are many voices grieving after arrow cluster.

I completely agree with what you said here.  Removing the arrow keys in the latest revision and having to either use layers (with the num lock key) to switch between arrows and numbers, OR taking space from the numpad in order to create dedicated arrow keys are both less than ideal and detract from the intention of this being a function-first keyboard design meant for content creators and professionals.  As a content creator myself who is constantly using arrow keys, and frequently using numbers as well, it's going to be a bit annoying and will take some adjustment to get used to this layout in whatever form I decide to use. 

With all that said, I love the overall design and functionality enough otherwise that I'm still planning to buy one and find a way to make the layout work for me despite the unfortunate loss of a dedicated arrow cluster.  It's not every day a keyboard design like this comes around, and I know I'd probably kick myself if I passed on it without at least trying to find a workable solution to the arrow/numpad issue.  I'm reminded of that old saying in these situations that there's no such thing as perfection in anything in life, so you have to weigh the pros vs cons, and for me this one still comes out as a rare must buy as I'm confident I can figure out an imperfect but workable way to use it with my dedicated arrow keys workflow needs. Now just hoping the price comes down at least a little bit before the GB starts.....
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Offline Rvver

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #111 on: Sun, 29 January 2023, 20:24:01 »
losing the arrow keys makes me very sad. was definitely interested up until that change

im sure itll still turn out great and others will still enjoy it but its just no longer for me
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Offline Starius

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #112 on: Sat, 11 February 2023, 09:23:08 »
What do we gotta do to get the original layout back? 🤞
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Offline CaesarAZealad

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #113 on: Sun, 12 February 2023, 15:34:39 »
Quote from: acerb on Thu, 26 January 2023, 02:01:18
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Tue, 24 January 2023, 15:53:29
Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...
If one more person tells me to use layers...
Why don't you just use a keyboard with 3 keys, one for layer up, one for layer down, and one for input. It's just as efficient as a fullsize keyboard!
Fr if it works for you that's great but layers just don't vibe with me.
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Offline a_saker

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 12 February 2023, 19:12:51 »
This is sick! Perfect work keyboard
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Offline Oogtug84

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #115 on: Sat, 18 February 2023, 14:26:25 »
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Sun, 12 February 2023, 15:34:39
Quote from: acerb on Thu, 26 January 2023, 02:01:18
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Tue, 24 January 2023, 15:53:29
Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...
If one more person tells me to use layers...
Why don't you just use a keyboard with 3 keys, one for layer up, one for layer down, and one for input. It's just as efficient as a fullsize keyboard!
Fr if it works for you that's great but layers just don't vibe with me.

Let a designer design. If one needs arrows so badly maybe this board just isn't for you. As much as it's not on layer enjoyers to dictate preferences to people that don't like them not like people can dictate layouts because they can't use more than two fingers at a time.
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Offline CaesarAZealad

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #116 on: Sun, 19 February 2023, 12:50:30 »
Quote from: Oogtug84 on Sat, 18 February 2023, 14:26:25
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Sun, 12 February 2023, 15:34:39
Quote from: acerb on Thu, 26 January 2023, 02:01:18
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Tue, 24 January 2023, 15:53:29
Yeah no arrow keys is a bit of a shame.

You can and should use the bottom of the numpad row as arrow keys on default layer (non num-locked).
I had the same comment as you then tried recently and it's actually as simple and natural...
If one more person tells me to use layers...
Why don't you just use a keyboard with 3 keys, one for layer up, one for layer down, and one for input. It's just as efficient as a fullsize keyboard!
Fr if it works for you that's great but layers just don't vibe with me.

Let a designer design. If one needs arrows so badly maybe this board just isn't for you. As much as it's not on layer enjoyers to dictate preferences to people that don't like them not like people can dictate layouts because they can't use more than two fingers at a time.
Since geekhack didn't like my previous response all I have to say is this designer can design whatever they like, but if they drive away too many people there's no way in heck this is getting off the ground.
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Offline ItIsWritten

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #117 on: Sun, 19 February 2023, 12:52:42 »
And the designer can choose to ignore the input, but he isn't designing it only for himself.

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Offline Verrine

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #118 on: Sun, 19 February 2023, 12:58:32 »
Quote from: ItIsWritten on Sun, 19 February 2023, 12:52:42
And the designer can choose to ignore the input, but he isn't designing it only for himself.

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The designer has been putting great effort in trying to listen to the feedback. There are several alternative layouts  designed for instances which the community over on the discord could discuss. There is also a poll ongoing still I believe.
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Offline ItIsWritten

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #119 on: Sun, 19 February 2023, 13:09:07 »
I'm not claiming otherwise.

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Offline Verrine

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #120 on: Sun, 19 February 2023, 13:36:25 »
Quote from: ItIsWritten on Sun, 19 February 2023, 13:09:07
I'm not claiming otherwise.

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Indeed, sorry if it came out weird. Was more so to add to your statement as well and encourage some really passionate to go voice over there. :)
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Offline CaesarAZealad

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #121 on: Sun, 19 February 2023, 14:31:29 »
Quote from: Verrine on Sun, 19 February 2023, 13:36:25
Quote from: ItIsWritten on Sun, 19 February 2023, 13:09:07
I'm not claiming otherwise.

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Indeed, sorry if it came out weird. Was more so to add to your statement as well and encourage some really passionate to go voice over there. :)
Damn, thanks for the info! I'll head over there now and vote in the poll.
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Offline Aznakh

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #122 on: Fri, 24 February 2023, 04:15:55 »
For anyone following this thread and not keeping track on discord, arrow keys seems to be back as well as some other changes to the layout.
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Offline Rvver

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #123 on: Fri, 24 February 2023, 09:36:30 »
Quote from: Aznakh on Fri, 24 February 2023, 04:15:55
For anyone following this thread and not keeping track on discord, arrow keys seems to be back as well as some other changes to the layout.

doesnt look like it

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Offline ItIsWritten

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #124 on: Sat, 25 February 2023, 13:47:02 »
And yet....

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Offline CaesarAZealad

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #125 on: Sat, 25 February 2023, 13:52:15 »
Quote from: ItIsWritten on Sat, 25 February 2023, 13:47:02
And yet....
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Oh no but you don't understand you have to let a designer design what they want to design even though what you initially were interested in isn't part of the project anymore.
I'm not demanding that the arrow keys be added back, but I gotta say now that they're not there I've lost interest. GLWGB!
« Last Edit: Sat, 25 February 2023, 13:54:52 by CaesarAZealad »
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Offline ItIsWritten

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #126 on: Sat, 25 February 2023, 14:03:01 »
Those are the designer"s words from earlier this month.

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« Last Edit: Sat, 25 February 2023, 14:18:09 by ItIsWritten »
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Offline just.hymn

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Re: [IC] TYPE BOX 101800
« Reply #127 on: Mon, 27 February 2023, 02:22:42 »
Hey guysss,

Just chiming in on the confusion with arrows keys, so to avoid further arguments.
As the votes are in, I have decided to go with AT layout (no arrow keys). Which
I have sent to a CAD engineer for inspection and to remodel. I'm mostly active
on discord where we can discuss and talk.

Sorry to heard some of ya'll will be leaving on this journey, and hopefully
I could make something that will interest you again in the future.

I'm truly grateful for the interest and the attention I've received with Type Box.
I really am, thanks.
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