its so nice
just try it
Well... I like Ctrl key in place of Caps Lock. it's where it SHOULD be.
And I think you'll like Poker II. It's my work keyboard and I adore it :)
Control placement, backspace/delete placement and aesthetics. The split backspace is awesome for me, because I can use it as apostrophe when I have my language set to Norwegian in my OS.
just buy it it's the best one jfc
You know where the backspace is on most keyboards, right? On the HHKB there's two 1u keys where the backspace normally is.
Well, it's a very well thought out layout and many people who try it love it. Also, they say the Topre switches grow on you and after a while you really like them....
Not me, though. I prefer the layout and switches on my KBT Pure. The disadvantages of the HHKB Pro 2 are that if you don't like the layout or the switch feel you are stuck. With a board like a Poker 2 you can simply reprogram the layout and change / modify the switches as you see fit to get them to feel how you like. Also, you can add / change LED's to get the backlighting how you want. Not to mention the aftermarket case and especially keycap options. you can even program the HHKB layout on it if you like (except for the Fn next to the shift key).
HHKB Pro 2 uses Topre switches and they are not MX keycap compatible and there are VERY few keycap options available. Also, the space bars are made from ABS even though the rest of the caps are PBT.
MX switches are prefered for gaming, too. Especially for FPS games.
So, I would but a Poker 2 if I needed a new 60%, but that's personal preference.
I shudder to to think what the HHKB Pro 2 would cost in Norway..... :eek: You'd probably be able to sell it there quite easily afterwards, though, if you decide you don't like it, so....
Well, it's a very well thought out layout and many people who try it love it. Also, they say the Topre switches grow on you and after a while you really like them....
Not me, though. I prefer the layout and switches on my KBT Pure. The disadvantages of the HHKB Pro 2 are that if you don't like the layout or the switch feel you are stuck. With a board like a Poker 2 you can simply reprogram the layout and change / modify the switches as you see fit to get them to feel how you like. Also, you can add / change LED's to get the backlighting how you want. Not to mention the aftermarket case and especially keycap options. you can even program the HHKB layout on it if you like (except for the Fn next to the shift key).
HHKB Pro 2 uses Topre switches and they are not MX keycap compatible and there are VERY few keycap options available. Also, the space bars are made from ABS even though the rest of the caps are PBT.
MX switches are prefered for gaming, too. Especially for FPS games.
So, I would but a Poker 2 if I needed a new 60%, but that's personal preference.
I shudder to to think what the HHKB Pro 2 would cost in Norway..... :eek: You'd probably be able to sell it there quite easily afterwards, though, if you decide you don't like it, so....
There's no way of getting a hold of an HHKB in Norway unless you order internationally (AFAIK). So I'd have to buy from EK or something like that ^^' would end up at about just under 300$ :)
Would it really be that much cheaper from Japan?
Would it really be that much cheaper from Japan?
You may have to check it out because it comes down to how much shipping and customs would cost each way. I got a new type-s from Japan with a proxy and it was a lot cheaper. Pro tip would be to keep an eye on this auction site: http://buyee.jp/ they are owned by Tenso (who are quite a reliable proxy) it allows you to buy from Yahoo JP auctions second hand and have it sent anywhere. Little more risky but if you want to save a lot it's not a bad option.
Would it really be that much cheaper from Japan?
You may have to check it out because it comes down to how much shipping and customs would cost each way. I got a new type-s from Japan with a proxy and it was a lot cheaper. Pro tip would be to keep an eye on this auction site: http://buyee.jp/ they are owned by Tenso (who are quite a reliable proxy) it allows you to buy from Yahoo JP auctions second hand and have it sent anywhere. Little more risky but if you want to save a lot it's not a bad option.
Thanks man, appreciate it :) I'll definetely keep an eye out for that! But as said, I'll wait and see how I feel about a 60% formfactor before I take the next step. I just wanted to know why people believe the HHKB layout is superior to other layouts.
Is this stuff actually legit?:
http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/184688607
I mean.. I could easily save 100 bucks from buying there then O_o Jeez.. didn't know the difference was that big.
EDIT: Even though the description saying it's used, and that it's not returnable is a bit shady
If I had bought an HHKB as my first keyboard, it would have likely been a long time before I had gotten another board. I'm glad I 'worked' my way up to it so I could collect a few boards before hitting the pinnacle.
In addition to what's been said about the layout, I don't find the arrow to be difficult to use at all. I now use HHKB arrows without looking at my hand placement and it's just as easy to get to them as dedicated arrows because there's less hand movement involves.
In addition to what's been said about the layout, I don't find the arrow to be difficult to use at all. I now use HHKB arrows without looking at my hand placement and it's just as easy to get to them as dedicated arrows because there's less hand movement involves.
Sometimes when I switch back to my Filco, my hand naturally goes into that position for the arrow keys. I think that's a pretty good indication that after you get used to it, it's truly a superior layout.
For me the HHKB is superior to any other keyboard I've used due to it's entire package. The superior keycaps, form-factor, layout and switches. Topre switches (I own both the FC660C and HHKB) are a joy to type on. Tactile yet light, it suits me as I have weak little fingers and I have to code all day and night. The Backspace and control keys are in places that makes more sense. My arms are always shoulder-width apart due to how close the mouse and keyboard can be. It's so ergonomic and natural. All these factors and probably more make it unimaginable for me to go back to any old regular keyboard. :D
source: Owned a mx brown QFR, mx blue DAS, mx blue filco majestouch ninja, mx red tenkeyless Ducky and FC660C. Sold all of them except the FC660C.
OK let me put it to you straight: have you ever had sex?Since it's a cloud of boobs does it make it an orgy? :rolleyes:
hhkb is like sex and every other keyboard is like masturbating.
burroughs buckling spring is too lewd to get into details about. wowza
OK let me put it to you straight: have you ever had sex?Since it's a cloud of boobs does it make it an orgy? :rolleyes:
hhkb is like sex and every other keyboard is like masturbating.
burroughs buckling spring is too lewd to get into details about. wowza
For me, the HHKB is the last keyboard I would need, but not the last that I WANT. ;) I enjoy keyboards, so I won't limit myself to just one. I appreciate more than 1 switch, so I need more keyboards.
For me, the HHKB is the last keyboard I would need, but not the last that I WANT. ;) I enjoy keyboards, so I won't limit myself to just one. I appreciate more than 1 switch, so I need more keyboards.
People here are mother****ing crazy ****ers
Before you buy an HHKB you have to ask yourself.
Are you a mother****ing wannabee or do you actually vim?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_%28text_editor%29
Either way, I would say that your usage of vim doesn't mean anything in regard to the using a HHKB. Perhaps it's optimized for a certain usage, but I use it every day on a Windows computer, and I have zero problems with doing so. Does this make me a wannabe? If you say so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_%28text_editor%29
Either way, I would say that your usage of vim doesn't mean anything in regard to the using a HHKB. Perhaps it's optimized for a certain usage, but I use it every day on a Windows computer, and I have zero problems with doing so. Does this make me a wannabe? If you say so.
will you STOP not trolling? jeez
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_%28text_editor%29
Either way, I would say that your usage of vim doesn't mean anything in regard to the using a HHKB. Perhaps it's optimized for a certain usage, but I use it every day on a Windows computer, and I have zero problems with doing so. Does this make me a wannabe? If you say so.
the way the keyboard transitively uses the verb hacking in its title should count for something
the way the keyboard transitively uses the verb hacking in its title should count for something
Then building a GH60 would be the trifecta, you get a keyboard with both "geek" and "hack" in it, and you get to make it yourself!
Oh and you could do the HHKB layout on it, only "downside" then would be the switches.
Can't say I like the layout of it either, though I've never tried it.
the way the keyboard transitively uses the verb hacking in its title should count for something
Can't say I like the layout of it either, though I've never tried it.
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yes basically this is the most important thing
Can't say I like the layout of it either, though I've never tried it.
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yes basically this is the most important thing
GH60 FTW then (has both Geek and Hack in the name)... With HHKB physical and default layer layout, but Fn layer like this:
[ ; ' and Enter as inverted T arrow cluster.
P as Home.
] as End.
L as PgUp.
. as PgDn.
Plate mounted, in a CNC aluminium case (with proper corner blockers, like the HHKB).
Also, trampoline and latex modded, worn-in and lubed 62g ErgoClears. Panda Clear (Clear with Black spring) on space bar.
Thick PBT Cherry profile caps.
Endgame board....
/thread
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Obviously you build it with Browns and then stuff them full of grease.
For those who use function keys often, are you ever bothered by the HHKB or 60% layouts? It might just be me, but this is something that's started to bug me with my FC660CI use a HHKB and I always find the Fn key with my right pinky without any difficulty. The fact that it is on the edge of the board helps a lot I guess, I know without looking at the board where it is. Although I guess having to reach it a bit further down among similar-length keys on the FC660 would bother me a bit.
Buy. It.
So ... you're not considering it at all then ?Buy. It.
It's just.. the pricetag, alien layout, and topre switches which I've never tried that's really holding me back
I also use arrowkeys a lot to navigate when writing texts. >_>
So ... you're not considering it at all then ?Buy. It.
It's just.. the pricetag, alien layout, and topre switches which I've never tried that's really holding me back
I also use arrowkeys a lot to navigate when writing texts. >_>
Sagii you're going to end up like me (and many others on here). Your indecisiveness mixed with curiosity is going to take you on an adventure to buy every board out there.
My personal recommendation is to hold out until you can get a cheaper topre to see if you even like the switch, and go with 1-2 mx boards for now. Although, the downside is that if you are one of those Topre folks, you will feel you wasted money on MX boards.
But then you can take apart and mod your MX boards for even more fun :)
Edit: for me, I don't regret buying my topre, and I'm glad I have one around. But I sometimes wish I instead spent the money on pcbs/springs/switches to make more boards for friends.
Sagii you're going to end up like me (and many others on here). Your indecisiveness mixed with curiosity is going to take you on an adventure to buy every board out there.I went straight from a 6GV2 to a HHKB and didn't regret it one bit. But indeed, there was no hesitation, I was sure that was the board for me.
My personal recommendation is to hold out until you can get a cheaper topre to see if you even like the switch, and go with 1-2 mx boards for now. Although, the downside is that if you are one of those Topre folks, you will feel you wasted money on MX boards.
But then you can take apart and mod your MX boards for even more fun :)
Sagii you're going to end up like me (and many others on here). Your indecisiveness mixed with curiosity is going to take you on an adventure to buy every board out there.I went straight from a 6GV2 to a HHKB and didn't regret it one bit. But indeed, there was no hesitation, I was sure that was the board for me.
My personal recommendation is to hold out until you can get a cheaper topre to see if you even like the switch, and go with 1-2 mx boards for now. Although, the downside is that if you are one of those Topre folks, you will feel you wasted money on MX boards.
But then you can take apart and mod your MX boards for even more fun :)
Sagil, if you're not sure about it, don't go for it just now. Give yourself a week or two to think about it thoroughly, because it is indeed an expensive item and buyer's remorse sucks.
EDIT: I'm kinda qustioning the topre switches for gaming though.. I really haven't found any proper description of what topre feels like. Everyone says "it's in another league" or "you can't compare it to anything". But really, is there anything it's possible to compare it with? Does it have the same tactile feedback as blue mx, does it feel as light as reds, etc.It's just high quality rubber dome that actuated half way rather than bottom out.
Well... I like Ctrl key in place of Caps Lock. it's where it SHOULD be.
And I think you'll like Poker II. It's my work keyboard and I adore it :)
Sagii you're going to end up like me (and many others on here). Your indecisiveness mixed with curiosity is going to take you on an adventure to buy every board out there.I went straight from a 6GV2 to a HHKB and didn't regret it one bit. But indeed, there was no hesitation, I was sure that was the board for me.
My personal recommendation is to hold out until you can get a cheaper topre to see if you even like the switch, and go with 1-2 mx boards for now. Although, the downside is that if you are one of those Topre folks, you will feel you wasted money on MX boards.
But then you can take apart and mod your MX boards for even more fun :)
Sagil, if you're not sure about it, don't go for it just now. Give yourself a week or two to think about it thoroughly, because it is indeed an expensive item and buyer's remorse sucks.
Oooh, trust me, I've given this more than a couple weeks of thinking! :)) But you're indeed right, it's not a "just buy it" type of item.
I love the looks of the HHKB, and I like how small of a footprint it has. I also like that it's different, it's not just a "normal keyboard" kind of. But I'm also thinking a Poker 2 might be the better choice, simply because of the programming abilities. But the HHKB seems to have it all from the getgo. This sh** ain't supposed to be easy!
Even though I AM whining quite a bit, I definetely enjoy the search though, which is important to note! I like doing the reasearch, I like hearing other people's thoughts, and I love being able to find something (AKA customising in many other areas) that one board that really suits my needs.
EDIT: I'm kinda qustioning the topre switches for gaming though.. I really haven't found any proper description of what topre feels like. Everyone says "it's in another league" or "you can't compare it to anything". But really, is there anything it's possible to compare it with? Does it have the same tactile feedback as blue mx, does it feel as light as reds, etc.
Sagii you're going to end up like me (and many others on here). Your indecisiveness mixed with curiosity is going to take you on an adventure to buy every board out there.I went straight from a 6GV2 to a HHKB and didn't regret it one bit. But indeed, there was no hesitation, I was sure that was the board for me.
My personal recommendation is to hold out until you can get a cheaper topre to see if you even like the switch, and go with 1-2 mx boards for now. Although, the downside is that if you are one of those Topre folks, you will feel you wasted money on MX boards.
But then you can take apart and mod your MX boards for even more fun :)
Sagil, if you're not sure about it, don't go for it just now. Give yourself a week or two to think about it thoroughly, because it is indeed an expensive item and buyer's remorse sucks.
Oooh, trust me, I've given this more than a couple weeks of thinking! :)) But you're indeed right, it's not a "just buy it" type of item.
I love the looks of the HHKB, and I like how small of a footprint it has. I also like that it's different, it's not just a "normal keyboard" kind of. But I'm also thinking a Poker 2 might be the better choice, simply because of the programming abilities. But the HHKB seems to have it all from the getgo. This sh** ain't supposed to be easy!
Even though I AM whining quite a bit, I definetely enjoy the search though, which is important to note! I like doing the reasearch, I like hearing other people's thoughts, and I love being able to find something (AKA customising in many other areas) that one board that really suits my needs.
EDIT: I'm kinda qustioning the topre switches for gaming though.. I really haven't found any proper description of what topre feels like. Everyone says "it's in another league" or "you can't compare it to anything". But really, is there anything it's possible to compare it with? Does it have the same tactile feedback as blue mx, does it feel as light as reds, etc.
I think there were a thread discussing the use of topre switches for gaming. If you like to do your own research I am pretty sure you can find it. In the other hand, it is all about personal feeling, thus at the end you should give the switches a try to get your very own personal opinion.
I also suggest you to update the title of your thread, it began as a thread on layout, and now it is about switches.
Sagii you're going to end up like me (and many others on here). Your indecisiveness mixed with curiosity is going to take you on an adventure to buy every board out there.Yep, I certainly went down that road. In the end, I ended up with the HHKB Pro 2 as one of my all-time favorite boards. This might lead me to conclude that I should have saved all the money spent on other boards and to have bought the HHKB in the first place. However, then I would have had no basis for comparison and I always would have wondered.
My personal recommendation is to hold out until you can get a cheaper topre to see if you even like the switch, and go with 1-2 mx boards for now. Although, the downside is that if you are one of those Topre folks, you will feel you wasted money on MX boards.
But then you can take apart and mod your MX boards for even more fun :)
Edit: for me, I don't regret buying my topre, and I'm glad I have one around. But I sometimes wish I instead spent the money on pcbs/springs/switches to make more boards for friends.
Sagii you're going to end up like me (and many others on here). Your indecisiveness mixed with curiosity is going to take you on an adventure to buy every board out there.Yep, I certainly went down that road. In the end, I ended up with the HHKB Pro 2 as one of my all-time favorite boards. This might lead me to conclude that I should have saved all the money spent on other boards and to have bought the HHKB in the first place. However, then I would have had no basis for comparison and I always would have wondered.
My personal recommendation is to hold out until you can get a cheaper topre to see if you even like the switch, and go with 1-2 mx boards for now. Although, the downside is that if you are one of those Topre folks, you will feel you wasted money on MX boards.
But then you can take apart and mod your MX boards for even more fun :)
Edit: for me, I don't regret buying my topre, and I'm glad I have one around. But I sometimes wish I instead spent the money on pcbs/springs/switches to make more boards for friends.
A close contender for me was the Leopold FC660C (the one with Topre switches, not to be confused with the FC660M, which has Cherry mx switches). Actually, I got both of them, but I much preferred the FC66C with Topre switches. However, the layout didn't seem quite right and I didn't like the appearance of the keycaps. Although I have a slight preference for the sound and feel of the FC660C over the HHKB, I favor the HHKB overall for its combination of sound, feel, form factor, layout, styling/design/symmetry, and attractive/legible dye-sub keycaps.
Along the way, I tried the Poker II. I was attracted to the Poker because of its form factor, standard layout, availability of replacement keycaps, and availability of metal cases. However, I have found that I just don't like Cherry mx switches -- they don't provide the same aural/tactile connection with actuation that I get from Topre or IBM buckling spring switches. Moreover, I find that Cherry boards have an uneven feel between alpha keys and stabilized keys, whether the stabilizers are Costar or Cherry. To me, the keys across the board in an IBM buckling spring or a Topre switch board feel more uniform.
Of course, YMMV as they say. Ultimately, you will need to test various boards yourself to decide which ones work well for you.
(Typed on my Mac with an IBM XT keyboard remapped to a HHKB layout).
Ehm.. I feel like a noob asking about this, but what exactly are the two keys on either side of the spacebar used for? I mean, you've got the two alt keys, but the two on the inside of the alt keys.
Ehm.. I feel like a noob asking about this, but what exactly are the two keys on either side of the spacebar used for? I mean, you've got the two alt keys, but the two on the inside of the alt keys.
ctrl/caps
Ehm.. I feel like a noob asking about this, but what exactly are the two keys on either side of the spacebar used for? I mean, you've got the two alt keys, but the two on the inside of the alt keys.
ctrl/caps
Ah.. okey, so both are ctrl/caps keys? (dependig on the DIPs, I presume)
Ehm.. I feel like a noob asking about this, but what exactly are the two keys on either side of the spacebar used for? I mean, you've got the two alt keys, but the two on the inside of the alt keys.
ctrl/caps
Ah.. okey, so both are ctrl/caps keys? (dependig on the DIPs, I presume)
basicially regular bottom row but without win keys, dip switch will flip ctrl and caps
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)
I wouldn't call it superior to all over boards, but it's definitely the best Topre board out there for sure. I want one really badly, but I couldn't use one it's just too small for me, 60% boards don't cut it for me, I need a 75% board or nothing at-all :(.
If they made a 75% HHKB, then I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)
I wouldn't call it superior to all over boards, but it's definitely the best Topre board out there for sure. I want one really badly, but I couldn't use one it's just too small for me, 60% boards don't cut it for me, I need a 75% board or nothing at-all :(.
If they made a 75% HHKB, then I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.
If you use 75% for the arrow keys, then there's the Leopold FC660C. If you use the F keys a lot, there's the Realforce TKL.
As for me, I'll stick to my consistent and moddable MX switches on a 60% layout with usable arrow keys and home and end in decent places, thanks.
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)
I wouldn't call it superior to all over boards, but it's definitely the best Topre board out there for sure. I want one really badly, but I couldn't use one it's just too small for me, 60% boards don't cut it for me, I need a 75% board or nothing at-all :( .
If they made a 75% HHKB, then I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)
I wouldn't call it superior to all over boards, but it's definitely the best Topre board out there for sure. I want one really badly, but I couldn't use one it's just too small for me, 60% boards don't cut it for me, I need a 75% board or nothing at-all :(.
If they made a 75% HHKB, then I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.
If you use 75% for the arrow keys, then there's the Leopold FC660C. If you use the F keys a lot, there's the Realforce TKL.
As for me, I'll stick to my consistent and moddable MX switches on a 60% layout with usable arrow keys and home and end in decent places, thanks.
The leopold is definitely an interesting board.. the thing is that the asymmetry bothers me a lot :))
I've had the chance to buy the HHKBPro 2 for about 280$ as of right now.. I decided not to buy it just yet though!
I also don't really like how symmetrical it is.
I also don't really like how symmetrical it is.
Madness
hello, im thinking of getting HHKB Pro 2, sometime next month, and i have question that bothered me (but i think it's not necessary to create a new thread), i use linux and mainly use my keyboard to write code (mostly with Sublime text and vim), so i usually remap the esc key with caps lock key on my filco TKL. well, in HHKB layout the caps lock key is replaced with control key! how do i get around with this? if i remap the esc key with control key, that would be unconfortable for me to use ctrl+[some key].
and how the DIP switch do?
thanks.
The layout is superior. It's probably the definitive keyboard layout for me. Just perfect for a 60% keyboard.
Here's a Rev.B GH60 in a Titan colored Hammer alu case, with Nostalgia keycaps...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ay9cFJa.jpg)
I even built a Phantom with a HHKB layout for the 60% portion...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yLPSnTH.jpg)
I prefer MX switches to Topre, though. Except at work, when I want to type quietly. Then I use an actual HHKB. :)
The leopold is definitely an interesting board.. the thing is that the asymmetry bothers me a lot :))Asymmetry is in vogue. Maximum feng shui.
I've had the chance to buy the HHKBPro 2 for about 280$ as of right now.. I decided not to buy it just yet though!
hello, im thinking of getting HHKB Pro 2, sometime next month, and i have question that bothered me (but i think it's not necessary to create a new thread), i use linux and mainly use my keyboard to write code (mostly with Sublime text and vim), so i usually remap the esc key with caps lock key on my filco TKL. well, in HHKB layout the caps lock key is replaced with control key! how do i get around with this? if i remap the esc key with control key, that would be unconfortable for me to use ctrl+[some key].
and how the DIP switch do?
thanks.
hello, im thinking of getting HHKB Pro 2, sometime next month, and i have question that bothered me (but i think it's not necessary to create a new thread), i use linux and mainly use my keyboard to write code (mostly with Sublime text and vim), so i usually remap the esc key with caps lock key on my filco TKL. well, in HHKB layout the caps lock key is replaced with control key! how do i get around with this? if i remap the esc key with control key, that would be unconfortable for me to use ctrl+[some key].
and how the DIP switch do?
thanks.
You can use xcape or custom firmware to make the control key act as escape when tapped - Best of both worlds!
hello, im thinking of getting HHKB Pro 2, sometime next month, and i have question that bothered me (but i think it's not necessary to create a new thread), i use linux and mainly use my keyboard to write code (mostly with Sublime text and vim), so i usually remap the esc key with caps lock key on my filco TKL. well, in HHKB layout the caps lock key is replaced with control key! how do i get around with this? if i remap the esc key with control key, that would be unconfortable for me to use ctrl+[some key].
and how the DIP switch do?
thanks.
Well.. I'm defo not qualified to answer your question properly, but it's worth noting (unless you alrdy know) that the ESC is already placed in such a way that it's easier to reach than "normal" (it's one row lower). So mby it wont be necessary to move it? Bear in mind I got no clue how those programs work though.. :))
Try gaming on it.
Try gaming on it.
An update guys: I have now officially bought my first mech (I KNOW not everyone agrees HHKB is mechanical, but w/e), a black HHKB Pro 2 :D:D
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)
I wouldn't call it superior to all over boards, but it's definitely the best Topre board out there for sure. I want one really badly, but I couldn't use one it's just too small for me, 60% boards don't cut it for me, I need a 75% board or nothing at-all :(.
If they made a 75% HHKB, then I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)
I wouldn't call it superior to all over boards, but it's definitely the best Topre board out there for sure. I want one really badly, but I couldn't use one it's just too small for me, 60% boards don't cut it for me, I need a 75% board or nothing at-all :(.
If they made a 75% HHKB, then I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.
I still don't understand why people say this, esp when the above hasn't purchased one. HHKB is my oldest keybard atm, and I've owned realforce 87 as well, but I would never say one is significantly better than the other to warrant any discussion on actual superior differences.
Try gaming on it.
Already have. It's wonderful.
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)
I wouldn't call it superior to all over boards, but it's definitely the best Topre board out there for sure. I want one really badly, but I couldn't use one it's just too small for me, 60% boards don't cut it for me, I need a 75% board or nothing at-all :(.
If they made a 75% HHKB, then I'd jump on that in a heartbeat.
I still don't understand why people say this, esp when the above hasn't purchased one. HHKB is my oldest keybard atm, and I've owned realforce 87 as well, but I would never say one is significantly better than the other to warrant any discussion on actual superior differences.
An update guys: I have now officially bought my first mech (I KNOW not everyone agrees HHKB is mechanical, but w/e), a black HHKB Pro 2 :D:D
An update guys: I have now officially bought my first mech (I KNOW not everyone agrees HHKB is mechanical, but w/e), a black HHKB Pro 2 :D:D
Congratulations!!
It's been a journey, hasn't it. I'm sure you're going to enjoy it. It's very nice to get that first really special board. For me it was my Pure. I love that thing.
Remember to post some impressions when it arrives ;D
An update guys: I have now officially bought my first mech (I KNOW not everyone agrees HHKB is mechanical, but w/e), a black HHKB Pro 2 :D:DCongratulations on joining the Superiority :cool:
An update guys: I have now officially bought my first mech (I KNOW not everyone agrees HHKB is mechanical, but w/e), a black HHKB Pro 2 :D:DCongratulations on joining the Superiority :cool:
The layout is superior. It's probably the definitive keyboard layout for me. Just perfect for a 60% keyboard.
Here's a Rev.B GH60 in a Titan colored Hammer alu case, with Nostalgia keycaps...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ay9cFJa.jpg)
I even built a Phantom with a HHKB layout for the 60% portion...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yLPSnTH.jpg)
I prefer MX switches to Topre, though. Except at work, when I want to type quietly. Then I use an actual HHKB. :)
It is clear you like the HH layout, but it is a little hard to understand what is the justification to waste the two keys that are already available in the PCB.
An update guys: I have now officially bought my first mech (I KNOW not everyone agrees HHKB is mechanical, but w/e), a black HHKB Pro 2 :D:DCongratulations on joining the Superiority :cool:
Haha, we'll see.. maybe I think it's crap! I'm open for both loving and hating it :))
An update guys: I have now officially bought my first mech (I KNOW not everyone agrees HHKB is mechanical, but w/e), a black HHKB Pro 2 :D:DCongrats! Hope I could see it irl sometime.
Ahhhh!!! Update: keyboard is now in the customs here in Norway. Can't wait!I'm recieving mine on monday! Can't wait! :)
Ahhhh!!! Update: keyboard is now in the customs here in Norway. Can't wait!
I'm recieving mine on monday! Can't wait! :)
We gotta Viking up!Ahhhh!!! Update: keyboard is now in the customs here in Norway. Can't wait!I'm recieving mine on monday! Can't wait! :)
Nice to see some fellow Scandinavians stepping up their keyboard game no matter the cost :thumb:
DAMN RIGHT!We gotta Viking up!Ahhhh!!! Update: keyboard is now in the customs here in Norway. Can't wait!I'm recieving mine on monday! Can't wait! :)
Nice to see some fellow Scandinavians stepping up their keyboard game no matter the cost :thumb:
The Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2 is one of the best looking keyboards ever designed:Sure as hell is... that and the layout are the two main reasons I bought it (y)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/a0Hh78z.jpg)
I am old school and most of the books I've read over the years are white with black lettering and I think that has influenced my choice of keycap color. Plus my eyes are getting old and I have used an IBM Type M for many years so I am stuck in my ways. I never minded cleaning the Type M keys but then again I was the only one using it so a bit of grub inbetween cleanings was no big deal. But now I find the Type M takes up too much desk space.That might be it :)) personally, I've always had the "gaming keyboardzz" with fancy shizzles on 'em, so I guess classic is too "plain" for me. I'm also a touchtypist, aka legends don't really bother me much!
VIKING's UNITE!
No, but seriously.. I can't wait for my HHKB. I'm really scared I WON'T like it though! :)) Won't know till I try it
Who knows, maybe they did.VIKING's UNITE!
No, but seriously.. I can't wait for my HHKB. I'm really scared I WON'T like it though! :)) Won't know till I try it
If Vikings had HHKBs instead of Ulfberhts, I wonder if history would have worked out differently ...
Let’s sum up the arguments here, for why the HHKB is said to be better than other keyboards:
pros
• 60% form factor => this argument isn’t HHKB specific
• Ctrl key in place of Caps Lock => You can do that with any other programmable keyboard
• Backspace/Delete placement => what’s so special about it, that a 60% keyboard can’t do?
• aesthetics => de gustibus non est disputandum
• Topre switches => ok, but again not HHKB specific
cons
• overpriced
• controller not programmable
• Topre switches are not compatible with MX keycaps
• arrow keys aren’t easily accessable
Let’s sum up the arguments here, for why the HHKB is said to be better than other keyboards:
pros
• 60% form factor => this argument isn’t HHKB specific
• Ctrl key in place of Caps Lock => You can do that with any other programmable keyboard
• Backspace/Delete placement => what’s so special about it, that a 60% keyboard can’t do?
• aesthetics => de gustibus non est disputandum
• Topre switches => ok, but again not HHKB specific
cons
• overpriced
• controller not programmable
• Topre switches are not compatible with MX keycaps
• arrow keys aren’t easily accessable
Let’s sum up the arguments here, for why the HHKB is said to be better than other keyboards:
pros
• 60% form factor => this argument isn’t HHKB specific
• Ctrl key in place of Caps Lock => You can do that with any other programmable keyboard
• Backspace/Delete placement => what’s so special about it, that a 60% keyboard can’t do?
• aesthetics => de gustibus non est disputandum
• Topre switches => ok, but again not HHKB specific
cons
• overpriced
• controller not programmable
• Topre switches are not compatible with MX keycaps
• arrow keys aren’t easily accessable
You don't have to bother with programming your keyboard if you have the HHKB. Case mounted Topre switches are HHKB specific. Arrow keys are 1 Fn press away, besides you could get the jp version if you desperately need the arrows.
It has the best layout for a 60% board. I wish I knew the benefits of the HHKB layout earlier, so I would have ordered my GH60 in this exact layout.
The only 60% that can come with type-s.
People like topre, people like 60%, therefore people like hhkb.
Cons: ****ty feet, poor keycap availability.
Let’s sum up the arguments here, for why the HHKB is said to be better than other keyboards:
pros
• 60% form factor => this argument isn’t HHKB specific
• Ctrl key in place of Caps Lock => You can do that with any other programmable keyboard
• Backspace/Delete placement => what’s so special about it, that a 60% keyboard can’t do?
• aesthetics => de gustibus non est disputandum
• Topre switches => ok, but again not HHKB specific
cons
• overpriced
• controller not programmable
• Topre switches are not compatible with MX keycaps
• arrow keys aren’t easily accessable
You don't have to bother with programming your keyboard if you have the HHKB. Case mounted Topre switches are HHKB specific. Arrow keys are 1 Fn press away, besides you could get the jp version if you desperately need the arrows.
I don't see the problem with using right pinky finger for the Fn key, and just using arrows with Index and Pointer fingers?
cons
• Topre switches are not compatible with MX keycaps
I was interested in one but I do use my arrow keys a lot and I see the hhkb does not have them. I use them when programming.
I was interested in one but I do use my arrow keys a lot and I see the hhkb does not have them. I use them when programming.
I dont know if I would want to pres fn when accessing them lol, cause I use them a lot.I was interested in one but I do use my arrow keys a lot and I see the hhkb does not have them. I use them when programming.
HHKB does have arrow keys. You have to use Fn key to access them. It is easy. Like anybody can do it.Show Image(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/doc/hhkbp2_basic_layout.png)
Like zoinks.Show Image(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Shaggy+.+Now+we+get+why+he+says+zoinks_d2f27a_3874102.gif)
I dont know if I would want to pres fn when accessing them lol, cause I use them a lot.I was interested in one but I do use my arrow keys a lot and I see the hhkb does not have them. I use them when programming.
HHKB does have arrow keys. You have to use Fn key to access them. It is easy. Like anybody can do it.Show Image(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/doc/hhkbp2_basic_layout.png)
Like zoinks.Show Image(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Shaggy+.+Now+we+get+why+he+says+zoinks_d2f27a_3874102.gif)
I dont know if I would want to pres fn when accessing them lol, cause I use them a lot.I was interested in one but I do use my arrow keys a lot and I see the hhkb does not have them. I use them when programming.
HHKB does have arrow keys. You have to use Fn key to access them. It is easy. Like anybody can do it.Show Image(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/doc/hhkbp2_basic_layout.png)
Like zoinks.Show Image(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Shaggy+.+Now+we+get+why+he+says+zoinks_d2f27a_3874102.gif)
For me, their placement became second nature so quickly that I didn't miss having dedicated arrow keys. Once you get used to it I found that it was even easier than using shift to capitalize a letter.
• Vikings love the HHKB Pro 2.(http://www.vikingequiz.dk/static/grafik/viking-new-user.gif)
I hate you all. Without even trying, you may have talked me into this keyboard. I've already swapped Control and Caps Lock. (Including the caps. I have a Sun Type 7, which you could actually get in a very similar layout, so the caps are the same size.) I was hoping that it would feel totally alien and awkward and that I could use it to talk myself out of a HHKB. But instead, I immediately adjusted to it and now can't imagine going back to the "normal" layout.
In a last-ditch attempt to save myself almost $300, I'm going to take apart this Model M that's been sitting in the garage for the past 10 years or so, clean it, buy a PS/2-to-USB adapter (no PS/2 ports on any of my computers), and see if that will satisfy me.
Although I am half Danish. Apparently, this means that the HHKB might be inevitable.
Although I am half Danish. Apparently, this means that the HHKB might be inevitable.(http://austingwalters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/oneofus.jpg)
I hate you all. Without even trying, you may have talked me into this keyboard. I've already swapped Control and Caps Lock. (Including the caps. I have a Sun Type 7, which you could actually get in a very similar layout, so the caps are the same size.) I was hoping that it would feel totally alien and awkward and that I could use it to talk myself out of a HHKB. But instead, I immediately adjusted to it and now can't imagine going back to the "normal" layout.As rowdy said, the spark has been lit. I had my eye on the HHKB Pro 2 from the day I registered here, but I thought the pricetag was just simply INSANE, and that I would never get one. One and a half month later I'm waiting for it to arrive in my mail >.> You're not getting outta this, my brother, but trust me, thy shall not regret! I've joined the elite ranks of Happy vikings Hacking away at their Professional keyboards, and so shall you!
In a last-ditch attempt to save myself almost $300, I'm going to take apart this Model M that's been sitting in the garage for the past 10 years or so, clean it, buy a PS/2-to-USB adapter (no PS/2 ports on any of my computers), and see if that will satisfy me.
Although I am half Danish. Apparently, this means that the HHKB might be inevitable.
I hate you all. Without even trying, you may have talked me into this keyboard. I've already swapped Control and Caps Lock. (Including the caps. I have a Sun Type 7, which you could actually get in a very similar layout, so the caps are the same size.) I was hoping that it would feel totally alien and awkward and that I could use it to talk myself out of a HHKB. But instead, I immediately adjusted to it and now can't imagine going back to the "normal" layout.
In a last-ditch attempt to save myself almost $300, I'm going to take apart this Model M that's been sitting in the garage for the past 10 years or so, clean it, buy a PS/2-to-USB adapter (no PS/2 ports on any of my computers), and see if that will satisfy me.
Although I am half Danish. Apparently, this means that the HHKB might be inevitable.
A Model M will not satisfy you.
I hate you all. Without even trying, you may have talked me into this keyboard. I've already swapped Control and Caps Lock. (Including the caps. I have a Sun Type 7, which you could actually get in a very similar layout, so the caps are the same size.) I was hoping that it would feel totally alien and awkward and that I could use it to talk myself out of a HHKB. But instead, I immediately adjusted to it and now can't imagine going back to the "normal" layout.
In a last-ditch attempt to save myself almost $300, I'm going to take apart this Model M that's been sitting in the garage for the past 10 years or so, clean it, buy a PS/2-to-USB adapter (no PS/2 ports on any of my computers), and see if that will satisfy me.
Although I am half Danish. Apparently, this means that the HHKB might be inevitable.
A Model M will not satisfy you.
He needs a F
HHKB Pro 2 has non-dedicated arrow keys, so you'll have to use Fn to access them.
Pretty much yeah.HHKB Pro 2 has non-dedicated arrow keys, so you'll have to use Fn to access them.So you have to press the FN key together with the arrow(s), to initiate movement on screen? The same principle with other keys as well?
HHKB Pro 2 has non-dedicated arrow keys, so you'll have to use Fn to access them.
So you have to press the FN key together with the arrow(s), to initiate movement on screen? The same principle with other keys as well?
And relax here HHKB snobs because I want to know the exact key activation and not trying to be funny in anyway.
HHKB Pro 2 has non-dedicated arrow keys, so you'll have to use Fn to access them.
So you have to press the FN key together with the arrow(s), to initiate movement on screen? The same principle with other keys as well?
And relax here HHKB snobs because I want to know the exact key activation and not trying to be funny in anyway.
Yes, just press and hold down Fn first, and then press '[` for up-arrow, etc.
The HHKB is the only 60% Topre out there, and some people prefer 60%, and the Topre is a very good keyboard.
You're forgetting about the Leopold FC660C.
No matter what everyone says, I can't wait for my HHKB!! I sent the customs my invoice etc a few days ago.. any norwegians who's got a guestimate of how long it'll take, assuming it went through the customs without any trouble? (Blackbox and epzy, I'm looking at you)
No matter what everyone says, I can't wait for my HHKB!! I sent the customs my invoice etc a few days ago.. any norwegians who's got a guestimate of how long it'll take, assuming it went through the customs without any trouble? (Blackbox and epzy, I'm looking at you)
Should only take a few days after they've received the letter. :p
No matter what everyone says, I can't wait for my HHKB!! I sent the customs my invoice etc a few days ago.. any norwegians who's got a guestimate of how long it'll take, assuming it went through the customs without any trouble? (Blackbox and epzy, I'm looking at you)
Should only take a few days after they've received the letter. :p
If you're wrong, and it doesn't come in the next few days, Imma hunt you down man. I can't take this.
I never thought that the HHKB was superior. I always preferred older Dell and IBM keyboards.Lol i though you were going to say sidewinder x4 or some ****...
No matter what everyone says, I can't wait for my HHKB!! I sent the customs my invoice etc a few days ago.. any norwegians who's got a guestimate of how long it'll take, assuming it went through the customs without any trouble? (Blackbox and epzy, I'm looking at you)
Should only take a few days after they've received the letter. :p
Hi guys, I'm new here.That's where the magic happens.
So looking at special HHKB layout - what do you do in programming that you prefer CTRL in Capslock position.
What do you there that it makes that difference?
I never thought that the HHKB was superior. I always preferred older Dell and IBM keyboards.
A Model M will not satisfy you.
The spark of curiosity about HHKB has been lit.
We have you now! :p
Hi guys, I'm new here.That's where the magic happens.
So looking at special HHKB layout - what do you do in programming that you prefer CTRL in Capslock position.
What do you there that it makes that difference?
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No matter what everyone says, I can't wait for my HHKB!! I sent the customs my invoice etc a few days ago.. any norwegians who's got a guestimate of how long it'll take, assuming it went through the customs without any trouble? (Blackbox and epzy, I'm looking at you)
Should only take a few days after they've received the letter. :p
If you're wrong, and it doesn't come in the next few days, Imma hunt you down man. I can't take this.
dude @phinix we were talking in another hhkb thread last week on here.
i just wanted to let you know that i got a hhkb hybrid white with printed keycaps and i am completely blown away. this is the first store bought keyboard i have used in like a decade. ive been making myself ergo doxes and 60% since i got on here in 2013.
i should have bought this ****ing thing years ago. you should stick with it.
dude @phinix we were talking in another hhkb thread last week on here.
i just wanted to let you know that i got a hhkb hybrid white with printed keycaps and i am completely blown away. this is the first store bought keyboard i have used in like a decade. ive been making myself ergo doxes and 60% since i got on here in 2013.
i should have bought this ****ing thing years ago. you should stick with it.
I think I'll buy it again :)
How do you work with this without arrows?
Are you ok with 60% arrows placement?
Do you use arrows a lot?
dude @phinix we were talking in another hhkb thread last week on here.
i just wanted to let you know that i got a hhkb hybrid white with printed keycaps and i am completely blown away. this is the first store bought keyboard i have used in like a decade. ive been making myself ergo doxes and 60% since i got on here in 2013.
i should have bought this ****ing thing years ago. you should stick with it.
I think I'll buy it again :)
How do you work with this without arrows?
Are you ok with 60% arrows placement?
Do you use arrows a lot?
omg if you buy it again you'll have the most ridiculous history with this board in the 25 years of its history. lol
ok man as for adjusting to keyboards. i am good at adjusting. i taught myself to type on a custom matrix layout ergo dox years ago and ive made my own 60% boards for like a decade. it will take me like a week or two with the arrow keys being where they are on my hhkb for me to adjust.
i freaking love the topre switches. the sounds is soooo nice. i cant believe im in love with a ****ing store bought keyboard.
Okey, I know there are some threads floating around here, but I wanted to ask a pretty specific question: What about the HHKB's layout is it that makes it superior to all other layouts? Is it only for programmers using specific programs it is so damn good, or is it for all everyday users? I'm extremely intruiged by the keyboard, and I'm really considering jumping straight to it.. after my next paycheck.
However, I'm defo not a programmer, and all I'll be using my KB for is gaming, browsing, typing (I'm a psychology student, AKA I will be writing lots of essay like papers), and just general use.
As always, I know everything is personal preference, but I want to hear your opinions! :)