I'd been absent from these boards for several years and just logged back on, and boy, I barely recognize myself?
Whats up with all these TKL and 60% boards and other weirdo layouts? How come people even like them?
I tried the Levinson which is a small split ortho board for a while and I just couldn't adapt to using layers for numbers and function keys,so I stepped up to it's much bigger brother which has all the keys-Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sKm21PC.jpg?1)
Soldering 108 diodes and switches was tedious,but worth it. :D
I'd been absent from these boards for several years and just logged back on, and boy, I barely recognize myself?
Whats up with all these TKL and 60% boards and other weirdo layouts? How come people even like them?
I've been into mechs since the mid-2000s and even then the HHKB and Deck Francium 87 were highlights of the hobbyist community.
How long ago is 'several years' because I think the last time smaller keyboards weren't popular it was the 80s. :))
It depends what you're doing. At work, I do find it hard to use anything smaller than full size or 1800 layout because I do like the numpad. And, no, a separate numpad is not the same; it defeats the purpose of muscle memory, and it can slide around.
Aesthetically, I like TKL the most, and I think it's still usable enough for most applications while saving some space.
I only have one keyboard smaller than this, a 65%, which still has arrow keys and most of the nav keys. I like using it when playing video games because it gives me a lot more room for my mouse. I don't understand how anyone can play games with a 104 key anymore; even if the desk is big enough, the distance between hands just feels awkward and uncomfortable. That said, 65% is fairly annoying to use at work.
I am intrigued by a lot of the odd and smallish layouts, but mostly for aesthetics.
That you need all those keys is fine. But you have no idea how people can be ok with accessing the arrow keys or F row from a function layer? People have different requirements and preferences for all kinds of things.
Whats up with all these TKL and 60% boards and other weirdo layouts? How come people even like them?
Some people never learned to use the numpad — and for those people the numpad is superfluous. It's as simple as that.
The 40% keyboards (and thereabouts) is something I don't really understand how people can be content with though.
Everything but English alphas on other layers ...
That said, I'd still not go for navpad over a function key. I think XT layout is the best, because navpad is kind of redundant, because it's in the navpad even on today's keyboards and the function key is already there and it's toggleable.
That said, I'd still not go for navpad over a function key. I think XT layout is the best, because navpad is kind of redundant, because it's in the navpad even on today's keyboards and the function key is already there and it's toggleable.
I would be able to get by without a numpad, but I wouldn't like it. I could always use the top row numvers. I wouldnt like it. It would be much slower to deal with numbers, but I COULD do it.
I don't understand - however - how anyone can type without the arrow keys and the home, end, delete pgup and pgdn above them.
How else do you navigate around your text when typing? Constabtöy grasping your mouse? That seems very inefficient, slow and awkward.
I couldn't imagine typing anything at all without them.
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Have you tried putting arrows and nav cluster in Fn layer near homerow? Ever since I tried HHKB arrows, I use them on every board I have. Sorry but how long have you been out of this hobby and have you read something about smaller boards? Of course no one could use a board without any arrows, that'd be pointless.
Have you tried putting arrows and nav cluster in Fn layer near homerow? Ever since I tried HHKB arrows, I use them on every board I have. Sorry but how long have you been out of this hobby and have you read something about smaller boards? Of course no one could use a board without any arrows, that'd be pointless.
Non-standard layouts (especially on sub-TKL boards) are popular with people who really like making their custom keycap purchases as expensive and inconvenient as possible.
For me it's all standard modern 104-key layout or I pass.
What I find really unneccesary is the nav cluster. It makes keyboards wider without a reason because it's much easier to use the numpad to browse a text or a webpage. It feels natural for me to use the numpad cursors together with the keys on the corners to move along and between lines. I also like the enter key on the numpad because I sometimes just move my hand from the mouse and use my thumb to click that enter key. For gaming it's also a great solution, as somebody above already suggested. I hate the missaligned wasd and the absurd standard that has been created around it. Also, if you need to input numbers, just press the numlock and the keys behave differently. Function keys are also important for me. I don't think I could ever get used to pressing a Fn combination for basic and daily tasks such as update or rename. Other function keys are quite useless for me and that's why I use scripts to give them interesting tasks such as closing folder windows, extracting usb devices, etc. I really don't understand why to remove this row of keys from a board since they do not make boards wider (ergonomic problem for some) and they are in a place that is not obstructive for typing or whatever. That said, I'm now using a 1800 layout (Leopold), which is really good since you have all you need from a 100% board but it's almost the width of a tenkeyless (and you get rid of the redundant nav cluster).
That's only one of the many advantages of the XT layout: no double nav cluster.IMO; XT > TKL
That's only one of the many advantages of the XT layout: no double nav cluster.IMO; XT > TKL
I'd been absent from these boards for several years and just logged back on, and boy, I barely recognize myself?
Whats up with all these TKL and 60% boards and other weirdo layouts? How come people even like them?
For me it's all standard modern 104-key layout or I pass.Show Image(https://www.oiepoie.nl/windows/windows-keyboard/keyboard4.png)
I don't even understand how anyone uses a keyboard without arrow keys and a numpad. I use that **** every day, and would be horribly slowed down without a proper numpad for typing numbers.
So what is the draw of these things? Why do people like them?
The Cause... YOUNG people..You crack me up somtimes TP. :))
It takes TIME, to realize, as cute as it looks, it's not practical..
It takes yet MORE TIME, to realize keyboards are h8-ful things that are iconic of modern IT-Slavery.
Once a person gets Old enough and Wise enough in front of their keyboards, Bam.... Stockholm syndrome, And here we are.. Gekhak.
I'm waiting for the eventual 1 key keyboard to appear as the ultimate culmination for keyboard design.
[...] so far to the right it gets in the way of my mousepad.
I generally don't enjoy full size keyboards since it forces the keyboard to be so far to the right it gets in the way of my mousepad.
I generally don't enjoy full size keyboards since it forces the keyboard to be so far to the right it gets in the way of my mousepad.
Uhh... Just push it a little to the left? ... I don't understand the issue here.
That's only one of the many advantages of the XT layout: no double nav cluster.IMO; XT > TKL
What I find really unneccesary is the nav cluster. It makes keyboards wider without a reason because it's much easier to use the numpad to browse a text or a webpage.
I'd been absent from these boards for several years and just logged back on, and boy, I barely recognize myself? ... Whats up with all these TKL and 60% boards and other weirdo layouts? How come people even like them?
Im a big fan personally of 97 key boards.
Before I wouldn't think I'm able to use any less then TKL too, until I try and love it. The strong benefit of it is that you don't actually need to move your hand too much when you writing (for me is coding). I set the caplock to FN, then I'm mainly using WASD as nav buttons. E R = Home End, FN + BackSpace or FN + ESC = Delete. I also have a set of Nav bar at the bottom right of the keyboard for when I only need moving around while not fully typing mode. Check my screenshot for my set up.
I have an Leopold 980c in 1800 layout too which I think it is really good as it has full key and small size, but as I can't programming it to WASD and FN functions. I might build my next keyboard 1800 layout with full programable keyboard. Do anyone know a way to programming on the Leopold 980c by any chance please?
I love a keyboard when I do not have to make long move to reach the keys, that’s why I love compact boards.
I love to use all my hand and use my palm on modificator like Fn, Super or Ctrl.
I want to use all my fingers with a symetric frequency so that’s why I use a Dvorak based layout (Bépo). It’s also not normal for me to have the pinky who need to move and twist for reaching Enter or del, that why I love to have enter and del / backspace on the middle of the board.
I love to have an integrated numpad directly on the right hand, but I hate to have to reach it by moving the hand. So I can accept to use modificator for getting access to the numpad.
So we can play a game.
Can you tell me what keyboard I have ? An ergo one for sure…
Typematrix 2030
I think I read somewhere something about a controller mod which involves replacing some of the electronics of the FC980C to make it programmable. Anyway, I'm not really interested in that, since I use AutoHotkey to do whatever I want with my keyboard.
I'd been absent from these boards for several years and just logged back on, and boy, I barely recognize myself?
Whats up with all these TKL and 60% boards and other weirdo layouts? How come people even like them?
I've been into mechs since the mid-2000s and even then the HHKB and Deck Francium 87 were highlights of the hobbyist community.
How long ago is 'several years' because I think the last time smaller keyboards weren't popular it was the 80s. :))
Well, maybe I don't recall the small form factor keyboards from back then. Iv'e been using Model M's since they were new, but I strayed away fro several years during the 90's, only getting back to it the early ought when I found a Lexmark Model M for $9 on eBay. I forget when I was here last. It's been a while, but not THAT long...
Personally I'm sort of amazed that in 2019 there are still people who manually type in numbers for work...why don't you have automated systems for ingesting and processing your data? Having humans do it is not only incredibly slow, it's also a great way to introduce errors.
Wow... you really can't imagine a scenario where somebody might need to type in a number for work? Computers should just always enter every number everywhere? Even credit card numbers, expiration dates, birth dates, etc..
Not to mention the people who have to actually write the code and algorithms that power those computer systems? That usually require numbers.
An engineer can't exist without a 100% keyboard. Smaller than 100%? Not an engineer.
Personally I'm sort of amazed that in 2019 there are still people who manually type in numbers for work...why don't you have automated systems for ingesting and processing your data?
I don't know if I'll ever stop being amazed at the mentality of "I haven't done X in forever / I don't do X, so therefore there's no reason for anybody to do X". I just don't get that level of self-centered-ness.
An engineer can't exist without a 100% keyboard. Smaller than 100%? Not an engineer.
Personally I'm sort of amazed that in 2019 there are still people who manually type in numbers for work...why don't you have automated systems for ingesting and processing your data? Having humans do it is not only incredibly slow, it's also a great way to introduce errors.
An engineer can't exist without a 100% keyboard. Smaller than 100%? Not an engineer.
Lol ok, I'll tell my department they're all doing it wrong.
I haven't used a 100% layout in a few years. (But I still have a numpad on my board for now.) Some others here switched to tkl's, etc.
I'm going to try switching back to HHKB again, might have to get another 23UB though.Personally I'm sort of amazed that in 2019 there are still people who manually type in numbers for work...why don't you have automated systems for ingesting and processing your data? Having humans do it is not only incredibly slow, it's also a great way to introduce errors.
Believe it or not some of us still do very large industrial projects using hand written notes that are manually entered into a program, including lots of numbers.
We also still use scales and calculators.
But I agree it's easy to mess up and put something in wrong. (This one time I did a calculation wrong and we spent a large sum unnecessarily.)
Also I occasionally need to enter characters using alt-codes. This could be worked around but it's usually easier to type alt+0176 vs the alternative.
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On weird small keyboard layouts: This thing works now even better than my regular daily driver with a HHKB layout.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zW5DEle.jpg)
On weird small keyboard layouts: This thing works now even better than my regular daily driver with a HHKB layout.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zW5DEle.jpg)
What board is this? 👀
Ah, I actually have that! Lol. The case just looked really different in this shot, I guess. I haven't used mine much since they shipped it with the wrong switches and didn't do anything to rectify the issue. It left a bad taste in my mouth so it's been sitting on my shelf in protest. >:(
Ah, I actually have that! Lol. The case just looked really different in this shot, I guess. I haven't used mine much since they shipped it with the wrong switches and didn't do anything to rectify the issue. It left a bad taste in my mouth so it's been sitting on my shelf in protest. >:(
Sounds that she needs a new sugar daddy? :p
Ah, I actually have that! Lol. The case just looked really different in this shot, I guess. I haven't used mine much since they shipped it with the wrong switches and didn't do anything to rectify the issue. It left a bad taste in my mouth so it's been sitting on my shelf in protest. >:(
Sounds that she needs a new sugar daddy? :p
I thought about it, hah. When I get around to it, I'll throw some tuned switches in it. I do like the layout, though. If it's between that or a 60%, I'm faster on that. Go figure.
Split space was such a godsend. I love it. For me, it's so easy to just use that as my main fn key. I really think this particular form factor is my new sweet spot. Hoping that the TM050 has a R2 or new boards come out. If I had the know-how, I'd be tempted to try and design one. ::)
Split space was such a godsend. I love it. For me, it's so easy to just use that as my main fn key. I really think this particular form factor is my new sweet spot. Hoping that the TM050 has a R2 or new boards come out. If I had the know-how, I'd be tempted to try and design one. ::)
The key for split to work well is where the gap between the two sides of the space bar is actually located. This is the only layout that has it at the right spot for me. The right is the space and the left is a huge FN. I also have VIM arrow keys along with space-FN (right space) and that works wonders. The dedicated arrows have navigation keys under and again that is far better than the HHKB's solution, wich is great by the way, but this is even more intuitive.
Split space was such a godsend. I love it. For me, it's so easy to just use that as my main fn key. I really think this particular form factor is my new sweet spot. Hoping that the TM050 has a R2 or new boards come out. If I had the know-how, I'd be tempted to try and design one. ::)
The key for split to work well is where the gap between the two sides of the space bar is actually located. This is the only layout that has it at the right spot for me. The right is the space and the left is a huge FN. I also have VIM arrow keys along with space-FN (right space) and that works wonders. The dedicated arrows have navigation keys under and again that is far better than the HHKB's solution, wich is great by the way, but this is even more intuitive.
Okay, TKLs make sense if if you never use the number pad. I miss it right away, as I can no longer use Alt+#### codes to enter special characters like dashes, bullets, or accented letters (as IBM, in their wisdom, decided not to make them work with the regular number keys). But I realize that's not important to everyone. (Ha, I just used a dash, Alt+0151.)...
Before I wouldn't think I'm able to use any less then TKL too, until I try and love it. The strong benefit of it is that you don't actually need to move your hand too much when you writing (for me is coding). I set the caplock to FN, then I'm mainly using WASD as nav buttons. E R = Home End, FN + BackSpace or FN + ESC = Delete. I also have a set of Nav bar at the bottom right of the keyboard for when I only need moving around while not fully typing mode. Check my screenshot for my set up.