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Title: Alps tactile/click leaf restoration tool?
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Mon, 24 September 2018, 09:40:27
Hello,
I think a very good idea would be some sort of 3D printed press tool to uniformly bend worn-out Alps leafsprings back to their original shape. I have lots of black Alps that I would like to restore, but I fear hand bending them will cause inconsistencies. I am not good at 3D design, though.
Title: Re: Alps tactile/click leaf restoration tool?
Post by: JianYang on Sat, 29 September 2018, 03:29:00
Bending springsteel back into shape relies on over-bending. The amount of the over-bending depends on the state of the spring. So the best way is bending them and inspecting until they are at the desired position. Perhaps you could make something to help with the inspection process? Or what did you have in mind?
Title: Re: Alps tactile/click leaf restoration tool?
Post by: lazyfart on Tue, 09 October 2018, 04:24:32
Ohh, I would be interested in this too. I have a lot of alps switches that need restoration.
Title: Re: Alps tactile/click leaf restoration tool?
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 12 October 2018, 00:26:28
This will not work.
Spring properties change when you over stress them, which is needed in order to change them. Since each spring has been work hardened and stressed differently, bending them all to match will NOT result in an even tension or feel.

Restoring several used springs to match is actually a quite technical process and not something you will accomplished by just bending them to look alike.
Title: Re: Alps tactile/click leaf restoration tool?
Post by: Blitzschnitzel on Fri, 12 October 2018, 17:21:08
I could imagine some apparatus powered with something like a torque wrench might work. You bend them to whatever radius is needed to produce a specific amount of torque.
Title: Re: Alps tactile/click leaf restoration tool?
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 12 October 2018, 19:45:36
I could imagine some apparatus powered with something like a torque wrench might work. You bend them to whatever radius is needed to produce a specific amount of torque.
It could, but while you can match one point in travel, you cannot make multiple springs match across their range of travel.

So let's use a Cherry red spring since it's easy to understand...
start = 30g
mid point = 45g
End = 55g

As they wear, the higher use ones will now read:
start = 25g
mid point = 35g
End = 45g

Now let's say you rebend the more heavily used to match the lesser used ones. While the lesser used are still normal, the tweaked ones now show:
start = 28g
mid point = 45g
End = 60g

Yes, you matched the mid point, but you cannot match start and end because the force curve has been changed. You can re-bend to match start or end, but you will mess up the mid point. You can NEVER match all 3 ever again, at least not without some serious equipment or melting them all down and remaking them again. Let's say you have that equipment though, you weakened the spring even more while bending it so it will fade even faster this time than it did last time and as it fades it will fade differently than it did before.