[Survey] Your GMK Layout Requirements

[effectiveduck]

Take survey here: http://goo.gl/forms/562cj5sVhe

Hey everyone!

Lately I've been really interested in what layouts/special keys people want included in GMK sets. So I put together a quick survey to get a general consensus as to what the most popular layout requirements are. I was having trouble with how to frame the question because ideally we would want to accommodate as many layouts as possible, but the reality of that is very expensive sets. So if you decide to take this survey, could you please answer with what you need/will use, that would help give better results.

Thanks to everyone who decides to take the survey, any feedback or comments are more than welcomed.

Final results:

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[effectiveduck]

So far ISO, winkeyless and surprisingly 65%/75% are leading the votes, all with more than twice as many votes as everything else.

[LeandreN]

ISO!

[effectiveduck]

ISO!

Seems to be the vocal point, kind of unsurprising considering how hard it would be to accommodate all ISO variations.

Also added a comments section.

[TalkingTree]

Taken the survey and also voted for ISO, among few other things, but I primarily need the Left Shift ISO for I prefer ANSI Enter over ISO.

[swimmingbird]

Please share the results!

[effectiveduck]

Results so far:



65%/75% dropped off a bit but still going strong.

[TalkingTree]

Too bad there's so little interest in R5 keys.

[Dernubenfrieken]

Results so far:

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65%/75% dropped off a bit but still going strong.

"Nordic kit"- Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

[user 18]

Filled

[henz]

Filled

Same same

[billnye]

Don't listen to the redditors. They make a lot of noise and then don't end up buying anything.

[ideus]

Add some estimated pricing for the different options and you may get more accurate data, if you only ask for preferences you may end with the wrong data on people that may not buy GMK key caps at all, but that expressed their feelings and biased the results of the survey. Most r/MK people prefer cheaper options made of PBT over GMK ABS doubleshots, I know that there are people cross-registered at r/MK, DT and GH that prefer GMK, but most of the people there have a different profile than DT and GH.

[Malenky]

ISO (specifically UK) mainly for me, but also HHKB, since I have an Infinity on order at Massdrop.

[bcredbottle]

Ergodox is not on there

[FrostyToast]

ISO isn't hard to offer support for. Just offer UK ISO and you're good to go.
I will be astonished of there ever is a successful gmk buy with any other ISO kit.

[effectiveduck]

'Final' results:

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Add some estimated pricing for the different options and you may get more accurate data, if you only ask for preferences you may end with the wrong data on people that may not buy GMK key caps at all, but that expressed their feelings and biased the results of the survey. Most r/MK people prefer cheaper options made of PBT over GMK ABS doubleshots, I know that there are people cross-registered at r/MK, DT and GH that prefer GMK, but most of the people there have a different profile than DT and GH.

This is a solid idea with some logistical problems though, since these kits will ever be sold separately the price will change depending on how much/how many layouts are included in any give set, so giving a concrete value is nearly impossible.

Over all I'm fairly happy with the results, the main surprises for me are the 65%/75% and 1u ctrl and alt keys being more popular than hhkb but the latter could be skewed because of plank users, difficult to tell.

Thanks everyone for participating!

[user 18]

Ergodox is not on there

Ergodox is enough specialized keys that it's not very feasible with GMK MOQ. A one-handed ergodox kit is 19 keys, which means it would probably be around $40 to outfit both halves of an ergodox (assuming $1/cap). If ergodox users are content to use already-included keys for some of the locations on their board, that price could maybe be dropped to $30 for a board.

As a GB runner, you then need to decide if you are going to include an extra $30-$40 worth of keys in your base kit, or provide them as an add-on. If the former, that probably represents at least a 20-25% increase in the cost of the base kit, which I would expect to significantly hurt efforts to make MOQ. Smaller compatibility kits such as ISO (4-6 keys), 65%/75% (3 keys), or 1800 (5 keys) are easier for buyers to stomach, because they increase appeal by at least as much as adding an ergodox kit, but do so for a much lower added cost.

Alternatively, if ergodox is run as an add-on pack, you need to make MOQ of 150 for ergodox kits. If you offer a half-ergodox kit, you may be able to get by with 75 ergodox users, each buying a pair of ergodox kits. I don't have a good feel for how many people use an ergodox, but it seems to me that would be a bit of a tall order for any given set. Perhaps it would be possible with a really popular colourway -- an ergodox addon for Dolch or Hyperfuse might be successful, even if run as a standalone buy.

That said, it would be great to see GMK sets for ergodox become successful. I'd love to be proven wrong!

[digi]

My GMK Layout requirements are for GMK to make buckling spring caps, thank you for your time.

[appleonama]

Win keyless
1800
Ban ISO

[Giorgio]

ISO!

Seems to be the vocal point, kind of unsurprising considering how hard it would be to accommodate all ISO variations.

Also added a comments section.

Iso uk should be enough for everyone

[heedpantsnow]

I'm ANSI 60% with a couple of 1.25u blanks for OS keys.

[Giorgio]

Redditors didn't bring many votes to the homing bars because it's taken for granted. There's a vast majority of non-gmk keycaps, so they don't vote for something they already have.

Gmk world problems.

[bcredbottle]

Ergodox is not on there

Ergodox is enough specialized keys that it's not very feasible with GMK MOQ. A one-handed ergodox kit is 19 keys, which means it would probably be around $40 to outfit both halves of an ergodox (assuming $1/cap). If ergodox users are content to use already-included keys for some of the locations on their board, that price could maybe be dropped to $30 for a board.

As a GB runner, you then need to decide if you are going to include an extra $30-$40 worth of keys in your base kit, or provide them as an add-on. If the former, that probably represents at least a 20-25% increase in the cost of the base kit, which I would expect to significantly hurt efforts to make MOQ. Smaller compatibility kits such as ISO (4-6 keys), 65%/75% (3 keys), or 1800 (5 keys) are easier for buyers to stomach, because they increase appeal by at least as much as adding an ergodox kit, but do so for a much lower added cost.

Alternatively, if ergodox is run as an add-on pack, you need to make MOQ of 150 for ergodox kits. If you offer a half-ergodox kit, you may be able to get by with 75 ergodox users, each buying a pair of ergodox kits. I don't have a good feel for how many people use an ergodox, but it seems to me that would be a bit of a tall order for any given set. Perhaps it would be possible with a really popular colourway -- an ergodox addon for Dolch or Hyperfuse might be successful, even if run as a standalone buy.

That said, it would be great to see GMK sets for ergodox become successful. I'd love to be proven wrong!

Makes sense. I do think there's a market for a very plain set of Ergodox mods as a standalone set?
-1.5u and 2u,
-blanks,
-neutral color like black or nearly-black grey.


They could all be the same profile. This would be a massive improvement over what Ergodox users typically use (DSA).

[ideus]

The surge for 65% would be due to the recent Fox drop.

[effectiveduck]

The surge for 65% would be due to the recent Fox drop.

Maybe but it uses all standard key sizes, so no extra kits are needed for it.

[user 18]

The surge for 65% would be due to the recent Fox drop.

Maybe but it uses all standard key sizes, so no extra kits are needed for it.

65% adaptor typically includes caps with more appropriate legends for the rightmost column. While these spaces can be filled in by numpad caps, some users appreciate having proper legends and profiles for these caps.

[effectiveduck]

The surge for 65% would be due to the recent Fox drop.

Maybe but it uses all standard key sizes, so no extra kits are needed for it.

65% adaptor typically includes caps with more appropriate legends for the rightmost column. While these spaces can be filled in by numpad caps, some users appreciate having proper legends and profiles for these caps.

Yea it's typically R2 Pg Up R3 Pg Dw R4 End, but the whitefox doesn't need any of these keys, it's kind of like an extended f660.

[user 18]

The surge for 65% would be due to the recent Fox drop.

Maybe but it uses all standard key sizes, so no extra kits are needed for it.

65% adaptor typically includes caps with more appropriate legends for the rightmost column. While these spaces can be filled in by numpad caps, some users appreciate having proper legends and profiles for these caps.

Yea it's typically R2 Pg Up R3 Pg Dw R4 End, but the whitefox doesn't need any of these keys, it's kind of like an extended f660.

Whitefox is fully programmable -- people who are used to traditional 65% or 75% boards may choose to set their layouts appropriately. Users may even choose to set their layouts as such for the sake of having appropriate caps.

Personally, I prefer the labels in the typical 65% adaptor to the 'official' labels of the whitefox.

[effectiveduck]

The surge for 65% would be due to the recent Fox drop.

Maybe but it uses all standard key sizes, so no extra kits are needed for it.

65% adaptor typically includes caps with more appropriate legends for the rightmost column. While these spaces can be filled in by numpad caps, some users appreciate having proper legends and profiles for these caps.

Yea it's typically R2 Pg Up R3 Pg Dw R4 End, but the whitefox doesn't need any of these keys, it's kind of like an extended f660.

Whitefox is fully programmable -- people who are used to traditional 65% or 75% boards may choose to set their layouts appropriately. Users may even choose to set their layouts as such for the sake of having appropriate caps.

Personally, I prefer the labels in the typical 65% adaptor to the 'official' labels of the whitefox.

Oh my bad, i was getting the whitefox confused with the magicforce :/

[user 18]

The surge for 65% would be due to the recent Fox drop.

Maybe but it uses all standard key sizes, so no extra kits are needed for it.

65% adaptor typically includes caps with more appropriate legends for the rightmost column. While these spaces can be filled in by numpad caps, some users appreciate having proper legends and profiles for these caps.

Yea it's typically R2 Pg Up R3 Pg Dw R4 End, but the whitefox doesn't need any of these keys, it's kind of like an extended f660.

Whitefox is fully programmable -- people who are used to traditional 65% or 75% boards may choose to set their layouts appropriately. Users may even choose to set their layouts as such for the sake of having appropriate caps.

Personally, I prefer the labels in the typical 65% adaptor to the 'official' labels of the whitefox.

Oh my bad, i was getting the whitefox confused with the magicforce :/

No worries, it's all good

[effectiveduck]

Forgot to update this with the final results, though not much has changed.

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[ideus]

The interest for ISO comes as a surprise, because independent kits for ISO does not reach MoQ usually, when they are offered independently of the main set.

[effectiveduck]

The interest for ISO comes as a surprise, because independent kits for ISO does not reach MoQ usually, when they are offered independently of the main set.

Yea when it comes to comments from other forums ISO was the biggest topic, though it was usually people asking for their specific kits, nordic, etc.

[yinzer]

Ergodox is not on there

Ergodox is enough specialized keys that it's not very feasible with GMK MOQ. A one-handed ergodox kit is 19 keys, which means it would probably be around $40 to outfit both halves of an ergodox (assuming $1/cap). If ergodox users are content to use already-included keys for some of the locations on their board, that price could maybe be dropped to $30 for a board.

As a GB runner, you then need to decide if you are going to include an extra $30-$40 worth of keys in your base kit, or provide them as an add-on. If the former, that probably represents at least a 20-25% increase in the cost of the base kit, which I would expect to significantly hurt efforts to make MOQ. Smaller compatibility kits such as ISO (4-6 keys), 65%/75% (3 keys), or 1800 (5 keys) are easier for buyers to stomach, because they increase appeal by at least as much as adding an ergodox kit, but do so for a much lower added cost.

Alternatively, if ergodox is run as an add-on pack, you need to make MOQ of 150 for ergodox kits. If you offer a half-ergodox kit, you may be able to get by with 75 ergodox users, each buying a pair of ergodox kits. I don't have a good feel for how many people use an ergodox, but it seems to me that would be a bit of a tall order for any given set. Perhaps it would be possible with a really popular colourway -- an ergodox addon for Dolch or Hyperfuse might be successful, even if run as a standalone buy.

That said, it would be great to see GMK sets for ergodox become successful. I'd love to be proven wrong!

Makes sense. I do think there's a market for a very plain set of Ergodox mods as a standalone set?
-1.5u and 2u,
-blanks,
-neutral color like black or nearly-black grey.


They could all be the same profile. This would be a massive improvement over what Ergodox users typically use (DSA).

I feel as if going for the same profile keys would be a missed opportunity. While better than DSA, it still falls short of fully sculpted.

I think the half-dox method is a really clever way to hit MOQ. Finding 150 ergodox users to buy in on a more expensive set just isn't going to happen. 452 people bought the Ergodoxian set in Granite R4 .. and then 128 bought into PuLSE R2.

You might hit it... But 75 is much more realistic number. I'm not saying it's a sure thing though. Nantucket Selectric didn't hit that mark and it was an all-in-one Ergodox set, which was the most buyer friendly way to arrange the kit.

I think the key would be trying it out on a set that people know.. Hyperfuse seems like the perfect set to try this on. It's well known and dank as hell. Also, and I don't think this has been done with a GMK GB that I have seen, but a stand alone alphanumeric kit would go a long way to making to making buys buyer friendly for those with non-standard layouts. A trend I have seen (and liked) recently is offering inverted colorway alphanumerics as a child set.

[PunksDead]

Gimme 2 left shifts for my 660c and I'm a happy camper

[katushkin]

The interest for ISO comes as a surprise, because independent kits for ISO does not reach MoQ usually, when they are offered independently of the main set.

ISO or bust.