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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 05 March 2014, 08:38:40 »
i got a set of these from a fellow geekhacker to test out the DSA profile and i have to say i freaking love it :)

i only installed the main cluster because i don't fancy blanks, so the whole board is gonna be changed up when i get a full DSA set (be it the macross, DSA Hyper Fuse or the Retro)

can't freakin wait :D

Now the macros has almost reached its MOQ and the upcoming PBT gray or charcoal set with sublimated legends is in the making at the IC level. For the pleasure of DSA lovers.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 13 March 2014, 23:55:35 »
I recently installed a set of SP DSA caps on my QFR Red.  The stems do indeed feel a little loose - I had to use saran wrap to get the stabilizer clips to stay in.  Previously I had OEM caps with black landing pads - because these caps are so short the landing pads still work even though the caps have no crossbars.  Since they are so short, however, the loss in travel distance is very noticeable and I decided to not used any dampeners.  Turns out I don't really miss the dampeners because, as mentioned by others, this profile really reduces the rate of bottoming out while typing significantly.

All in all I prefer these caps for gaming, and OEM caps for typing.  I've never tried cherry profile caps or SA profile caps (though that may change as certain GBs enter production :) ).

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 00:28:11 »
I recently installed a set of SP DSA caps on my QFR Red.  The stems do indeed feel a little loose - I had to use saran wrap to get the stabilizer clips to stay in.  Previously I had OEM caps with black landing pads - because these caps are so short the landing pads still work even though the caps have no crossbars.  Since they are so short, however, the loss in travel distance is very noticeable and I decided to not used any dampeners.  Turns out I don't really miss the dampeners because, as mentioned by others, this profile really reduces the rate of bottoming out while typing significantly.

All in all I prefer these caps for gaming, and OEM caps for typing.  I've never tried cherry profile caps or SA profile caps (though that may change as certain GBs enter production :) ).

(Attachment Link)

That's interesting that they were loose, because usually SP DSA keycaps are tight.

In fact SP have a specific FAQ entry about it.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 00:34:27 »
mine were loose too.  nothing plastic couldn't fix though.

is this something that happens when moulds get old?
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 17:18:22 »
I recently installed a set of SP DSA caps on my QFR Red.  The stems do indeed feel a little loose - I had to use saran wrap to get the stabilizer clips to stay in.  Previously I had OEM caps with black landing pads - because these caps are so short the landing pads still work even though the caps have no crossbars.  Since they are so short, however, the loss in travel distance is very noticeable and I decided to not used any dampeners.  Turns out I don't really miss the dampeners because, as mentioned by others, this profile really reduces the rate of bottoming out while typing significantly.

All in all I prefer these caps for gaming, and OEM caps for typing.  I've never tried cherry profile caps or SA profile caps (though that may change as certain GBs enter production :) ).

(Attachment Link)

That's interesting that they were loose, because usually SP DSA keycaps are tight.

In fact SP have a specific FAQ entry about it.

Yes, I have read that FAQ entry.  I had assumed I would never get the stabilizer clips out of the DSA keys once they went in since I have a hard enough time pulling them out of my WASD caps.  Imagine my surprise when I found they were too loose! 

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 23:47:03 »
I recently installed a set of SP DSA caps on my QFR Red.  The stems do indeed feel a little loose - I had to use saran wrap to get the stabilizer clips to stay in.  Previously I had OEM caps with black landing pads - because these caps are so short the landing pads still work even though the caps have no crossbars.  Since they are so short, however, the loss in travel distance is very noticeable and I decided to not used any dampeners.  Turns out I don't really miss the dampeners because, as mentioned by others, this profile really reduces the rate of bottoming out while typing significantly.

All in all I prefer these caps for gaming, and OEM caps for typing.  I've never tried cherry profile caps or SA profile caps (though that may change as certain GBs enter production :) ).

(Attachment Link)

That's interesting that they were loose, because usually SP DSA keycaps are tight.

In fact SP have a specific FAQ entry about it.

Yes, I have read that FAQ entry.  I had assumed I would never get the stabilizer clips out of the DSA keys once they went in since I have a hard enough time pulling them out of my WASD caps.  Imagine my surprise when I found they were too loose! 

Perhaps customer feedback, or perhaps a new demographic, has prompted them to make the stems a little looser.
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 23:52:11 »
Hopefully with clears they are snug

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 00:15:32 »
Hopefully with clears they are snug
Not necessarily. Some of them are still kinda loose. Just add a small piece of plastic wrap though, and they work fine.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 19 March 2014, 23:05:06 »
I actually bought these a long time ago, but never got around to post proper pictures.

So here they are:

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 20 March 2014, 05:57:21 »
Sorry to bug you folks. Iím going to try to see if I can use Photoshop trickery to try to make relatively realistic mock-ups of keycap legends (e.g. Matt3oís upcoming pbt dye-sub group buy).

So I have a favor to ask.

Would someone mind taking a relatively high-resolution picture of an SP DSA keycap from directly above, i.e. with the camera looking straight down on a keycap centered underneath? Ideal would be a gray or white cap surrounded by other same-color caps (i.e. on a keyboard), but some other color (ideally not too dark) would also probably work (and if you know which SP color code, that would be amazing). The best lighting would be relatively diffuse (e.g. from a window facing away from the sun) from a high diagonal angle relative to the keycap. Donít worry about post processing, I can handle that part.

Even awesomer would be to also get a similar picture of a DCS keycap. But that oneís not at all urgent.

Thanks so much!
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 21 March 2014, 10:49:59 »
Sorry to bug you folks. Iím going to try to see if I can use Photoshop trickery to try to make relatively realistic mock-ups of keycap legends (e.g. Matt3oís upcoming pbt dye-sub group buy).

So I have a favor to ask.

Would someone mind taking a relatively high-resolution picture of an SP DSA keycap from directly above, i.e. with the camera looking straight down on a keycap centered underneath? Ideal would be a gray or white cap surrounded by other same-color caps (i.e. on a keyboard), but some other color (ideally not too dark) would also probably work (and if you know which SP color code, that would be amazing). The best lighting would be relatively diffuse (e.g. from a window facing away from the sun) from a high diagonal angle relative to the keycap. Donít worry about post processing, I can handle that part.

Even awesomer would be to also get a similar picture of a DCS keycap. But that oneís not at all urgent.

Thanks so much!

I'll try to see if I can get this done for you this weekend.  :)

This is keyboard porn. Now I want my new PBT DSA set, yes now!

Haha thanks, glad you like it.  Time to visit Signature Plastics' website then lol.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 23:22:32 »
I installed my SP DSA's today, I like them, but they are really hard to remove.  thankfully I have the wired keypuller, but can you describe jiggling a little better?  Jiggling like left and right twisting motion while pulling?  My keyboard has plate mount switches, do I have to worry about ripping a switch off my board?

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 23:33:03 »
First hand experience report on DSA caps: I received my DSA new caps out of the Skull Sq. Set GB yesterday. I installed them in my FC660M (plate mounted) with browns with no issue. I removed them from the FC and installed them in my Poker X (PCB mounted) again with no issues. The caps fit the stems on both boards properly, perfect fit. Just for the record.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 00:32:06 »
My guess is that the general mass produced DSA have lower tolerance?
Seems like of all of the GB DSA, people don't have problems.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 00:35:38 »
My guess is that the general mass produced DSA have lower tolerance?
Seems like of all of the GB DSA, people don't have problems.


Some of the stock caps may be old stock, while GB caps are recent manufacturing runs. Thus, old ones may have some issues that were fixed in recent runs.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 01:13:52 »
The tightness is part of the design.

See SP FAQ #22: http://keycapsdirect.com/faq.php#22

Apparently the tolerances have been relaxed a bit for these new group buys.
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #67 on: Sat, 19 April 2014, 02:07:11 »
good to know, guess I'll be really careful if/when I pull them off.  Does my key switches being plate mounted make it any more or less safe?

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #68 on: Sat, 19 April 2014, 02:11:56 »
good to know, guess I'll be really careful if/when I pull them off.  Does my key switches being plate mounted make it any more or less safe?

Nope.

Unless ... being plate-mounted might give the switches a bit more stability; PCB-mounted might be slightly more fragile.  But only slightly.
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 20 April 2014, 03:26:05 »
As for loose stems, I use plumber's tape and it seems to do the trick:  http://kitchenbathroomfixtures.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/teflon_tape.jpg  .......

I can't speak from experience yet, but that Teflon tape sounds like a great idea! That should work good on a less than snug fit.  :thumb:
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 20 April 2014, 06:42:19 »
As for loose stems, I use plumber's tape and it seems to do the trick:  http://kitchenbathroomfixtures.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/teflon_tape.jpg  .......

I can't speak from experience yet, but that Teflon tape sounds like a great idea! That should work good on a less than snug fit.  :thumb:

That is exactly what I used and it's been working great.
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 20 April 2014, 19:24:41 »
As for loose stems, I use plumber's tape and it seems to do the trick:  http://kitchenbathroomfixtures.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/teflon_tape.jpg  .......

I can't speak from experience yet, but that Teflon tape sounds like a great idea! That should work good on a less than snug fit.  :thumb:

That is exactly what I used and it's been working great.

Cool! How did you apply it, did you try and wrap the stem or just laid a piece over the top before inserting the key or ??
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 20 April 2014, 21:47:13 »
As for loose stems, I use plumber's tape and it seems to do the trick:  http://kitchenbathroomfixtures.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/teflon_tape.jpg  .......

I can't speak from experience yet, but that Teflon tape sounds like a great idea! That should work good on a less than snug fit.  :thumb:

That is exactly what I used and it's been working great.

Cool! How did you apply it, did you try and wrap the stem or just laid a piece over the top before inserting the key or ??

Normally how I do it is I cut a small square just less than a 1cm2 and lay it on the
"x" of the switch. Then just press the cap over on top of it. The size doesn't have to be perfect, but it shouldn't be too small that it just gets stuck on the top inside of the stem.

Ripster had a good visual on how to do it with scotch tape:

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 20 April 2014, 23:22:27 »
I put small pieces of saran wrap over the switch and stick the cap on.  I go as big as 2x2cm since a lot of it ends up in the stem and that makes it easier to remove if/when I want to switch out the cap.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 21 April 2014, 04:32:40 »
Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it.   :thumb:

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 26 April 2014, 12:30:44 »
I'm really considering buying a set of gray with red mods. Does anyone know how the red they use compares to filcos red case? I thought green or blue might work otherwise.
Edit: Would it look awful with the dcs ISO keys?
« Last Edit: Sun, 27 April 2014, 04:53:16 by Johan »
Uh, stuff.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 29 April 2014, 15:24:59 »
Those look pretty neat. Sometimes I hate living in Europe :/

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 08:14:31 »
DSA top's typing area is a little smaller than cherry and its equivalents. So you should type in an accurately way than when using other profile caps, just my cent to add to this review.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 10 June 2014, 12:11:28 »
Yeah I find when I first got it I keep hitting the keycap edge, you eventually get used to it but I think I still prefer cylindrical top than spherical top.

Oh and plumber's tape works too.  (Those white wrap that you use to wrap the joint before you screw in any pipe)

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 12 July 2014, 11:48:10 »
Quick question. Do these keycaps go anywhere on your board as long as the size is correct? Basically the row doesn't matter just the key sizes? I ordered a standard set and a modifier set for my poker so I just want to know before they ship considering they are blanks.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 12 July 2014, 11:50:14 »
Quick question. Do these keycaps go anywhere on your board as long as the size is correct? Basically the row doesn't matter just the key sizes? I ordered a standard set and a modifier set for my poker so I just want to know before they ship considering they are blanks.

That is correct.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 12 July 2014, 11:55:22 »
Quick question. Do these keycaps go anywhere on your board as long as the size is correct? Basically the row doesn't matter just the key sizes? I ordered a standard set and a modifier set for my poker so I just want to know before they ship considering they are blanks.

That is correct.
Okay thanks! And damn, those F and J keys seem to really bulge from the board. I suppose since I am using them on a poker I could probably just use two regular caps instead if I don't like them.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 14 July 2014, 12:34:37 »
So I actually received my bag of these keys from SP today and tried them out on my Das. Got the base/modifier/numpad sets in white/green.

Took the numpad keys out to put on my keyboard and was pretty unhappy to see lots of little pieces of plastic sticking off of the edges of all the keys, like you see in cheap plastic toys.  Then I realized that the Enter, + and 0 keys were all different sizes. I was able to put the + and Enter keys on, but the 0 key would not fit at all.

So far, just going by the numpad keys I got (will inspect the rest when I get home) I am not very impressed

Edit:
The spacebar is severely bent and chipped along the edges. Seriously unhappy with the quality of these keys
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 July 2014, 12:57:07 by Sklarzo »

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #83 on: Mon, 14 July 2014, 15:23:26 »
So I actually received my bag of these keys from SP today and tried them out on my Das. Got the base/modifier/numpad sets in white/green.

Took the numpad keys out to put on my keyboard and was pretty unhappy to see lots of little pieces of plastic sticking off of the edges of all the keys, like you see in cheap plastic toys.  Then I realized that the Enter, + and 0 keys were all different sizes. I was able to put the + and Enter keys on, but the 0 key would not fit at all.

So far, just going by the numpad keys I got (will inspect the rest when I get home) I am not very impressed

Edit:
The spacebar is severely bent and chipped along the edges. Seriously unhappy with the quality of these keys
Wow that is horrible. I would contact them. Mine just shipped out today and if mine come in a similar condition I will definitely be contacting Signature Plastics...

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 16 July 2014, 05:34:18 »
Thinking about ordering these, but some questions:

- Given they're low profile, can I still fit o-rings?
- What does 'DSA' mean, doubleshot? I always thought DSA means 'Double Shot ABS', but it's PBT.
- How's the spacebar considering it's PBT? Is it ok?
- Does low profile keys mean it reduces travel a bit? Or is that completely dependent on the switch?
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 16 July 2014, 05:43:08 »
Thinking about ordering these, but some questions:

- Given they're low profile, can I still fit o-rings?
- What does 'DSA' mean, doubleshot? I always thought DSA means 'Double Shot ABS', but it's PBT.
- How's the spacebar considering it's PBT? Is it ok?
- Does low profile keys mean it reduces travel a bit? Or is that completely dependent on the switch?

- Yes.
- Just the family - describes the general shape of the keycap.  I'm not sure that it actually stands for anything.
- Mine are both fine.
- Nope - doesn't affect the switch operation at all.
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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 16 July 2014, 06:19:51 »
Regarding the spacebar: shape is very good. I was expecting much more warping on this key, but stabilisers are very loose with my one. Practically not usable without saran/when you don't hit it in the middle because it will get stuck on one side.

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Re: Signature Plastics DSA Keycap Review
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 16 July 2014, 06:22:32 »
Regarding the spacebar: shape is very good. I was expecting much more warping on this key, but stabilisers are very loose with my one. Practically not usable without saran/when you don't hit it in the middle because it will get stuck on one side.

Loose stabilisers (Costar stabiliser inserts?) is not a problem.  I prefer them looser because I can easily put a bit of tape or plastic in to make it tighter.  But tight ones are just a complete pain to get out, and I have nearly lost fingernails trying to get a couple out, not to mention tales of people breaking them by trying to lever particularly obstinate ones out with something metal.
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