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Title: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: JSaintS on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:27:42
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S7-Elephant - Kits: Alpha | Icon Modifiers | Novelties

GB Thread is open! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108409.0)

Manners maketh man!

I have teased this a couple of weeks/months ago on some discord, and here it is! This was supposed to go live at the same time than KAT HFO, but I wanted to wait on the feedback I got from there to finish the kits.

Google Form for Feedback (https://forms.gle/rSfJB7pE8HNVxyfK8)

KAT

All of you should be more or less familiar now with this profile, but for those that are not, here are a couple of things you can check/read:
※ ↠ English link with some images (https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/7624) ↞
※ ↠ Chinese link with some more images (https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/7625) ↞

If you don't want to go and read, know this: it's higher than GMK, looks like SA whilst being shorter than SA (so, all the pros without the cons) :D
Schematics comparing it to SA and GMK:

※ Schematics comparing it to SA and GMK: ↠
More
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※ Picture comparing it to SA: ↠
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AKI-S - Kits: Alpha | Icon Modifiers | FR kit

Colors
Before you guys check the kits, I wanted to mention the colors I’ll be using here:
White: WS2
Black: RAL 000 15 00

Why not CR just like GMK Monochrome was? Simply because I got informed that it was impossible. I will aim for the darkest black possible (and I do think RAL 000 15 00 is quite nice) and I’ll keep you guys updated as samples come in.

In the meantime:
More
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WS2 samples

(https://i.imgur.com/VWVB7Lf.jpg)
Black samples - disclaimer: these were not made for me but for another set. I have asked samples matching RAL 000 15 00 but still wanted to share this picture to show the difference with GMK’s CR - as I said before, I’m aiming for the darkest black I can achieve.

Kits

Alphas:
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Alphas
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(https://i.imgur.com/X2KiLaB.png)(https://i.imgur.com/Ob9Oofb.png)

ISO
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North
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South
(https://i.imgur.com/VP0nbVZ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/XO0q02x.png)(https://i.imgur.com/IzU0Tjq.png)

French kit
(https://i.imgur.com/0n6xGQq.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/G2GmAqT.png)(https://i.imgur.com/mTJo2E5.png)

Colevrak
(https://i.imgur.com/qI0JFlZ.png)(https://i.imgur.com/SA6IzwK.png)

Modifiers:
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Modifiers
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Mac
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40s
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(https://i.imgur.com/NdwK2DE.png)(https://i.imgur.com/X4NGwwt.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/bAaUPRE.png)(https://i.imgur.com/YGuxf8y.png)

Ortho
(https://i.imgur.com/sEZfyBR.png)(https://i.imgur.com/BW9LFNh.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5ZVAEFn.png)(https://i.imgur.com/aZAqE1q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/aJShjWA.png)(https://i.imgur.com/5P8pwaM.png)

Ergo
(https://i.imgur.com/TPryod7.png)(https://i.imgur.com/6Rz3q2M.png)

Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/fiaEr1u.png)(https://i.imgur.com/oKMV0wL.png)

Numpad:
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Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/kN3J0wY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BGeeUm5.png)(https://i.imgur.com/tsbBqPa.png)

Novelties:
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Novelties
(https://i.imgur.com/0RgVwtI.png)(https://i.imgur.com/CjSCDFz.png)


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J-02 - Kits: Alpha | Text Modifiers | Novelties

Artisans

I'm currently checking with artisans and will confirm them as they come. These will NOT be exclusive to GB participants so every monochrome lover out there can get a shot at these! If you have anyone specific in mind, let me know :)

* GSK
* Archetype
* BadHabbit
* Fraktal
* Latrialum
* Lividity
* TRMK

Deskpad
(https://i.imgur.com/mcgjXH6.png) (https://i.imgur.com/mmjMBjA.png)

Vendors
Here is where you want to go depending on your region:
※ for Europe, MyKeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/);
※ for UK, ProtoTypist (https://prototypist.net/);
※ for the States, TX Keyboards (https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/);
※ for Canada, ApexKeyboards (https://www.apexkeyboards.ca/);
※ for China, the rest of Asia and OCE, zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/).

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KBD19X - Kits: WoB Alphas | WoB Icon Modifiers | WoB Novelties | WoB Numpad

Pricing

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FAQ

* What white will this be?
WS2 - the exact same as I used for GMK Monochrome. I've asked for samples and you can check them in the "colors" section above.

* Why should I buy Monochrome and not another of the BoW/WoB sets?
As I said, I plan on using a WS2 white and use the darkest black available. I will use the updated modifiers icons I used for Hyperfuse and plan on supporting as many layouts/languages as possible. Also, there is a moustache novelty, what else do you need?

* I see you also offer WoB kits, why do it when there already is KAT WOB?
~~So, long story short, when designing the kits and discussing it with people, I got asked to offer a way to have a full WoB/BoW keyboard. Due to how KAT's MOQ works and the fact that I already had the kits "layout", this didn't take much time and I figured why not. I talked about this with OCM and he is 100% on board with me doing this, this is also why I have decided to only offer support for the standard layout, nothing in the lines of 40%, ergo, colvevrak, etc. If you guys want that, I will kindly redirect you to OCM's KAT WOB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102755.0). I would not have done this without his approval and I thank him for accepting!~~
Forget what I said, given that OCM cancelled WoB, I went and made kits to offer full WoB and BoW compatibility. That means I have... 46 kits, aouch :s Hope you guys like it!

* Where can I get the icons you used?
Ping me, I'll send you the updated ones used for KAT HFO, Monochrome and Iron :)



Thanks

※ OCM for his help with the original icons, the hiragana alphas and allowing me to run the WoB variant;
※ Konstantin for this help with the icons, the arabic, cyrillic, zhuyin and hangul font and for discussing kit updates with me;
※ FatBoyCarney for helping me and listening to me rambling all the time;
※ Manzel for the awesome renders; and
※ All the vendors that accepted to run this keyset despite the huge amount of kits.


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AKI-S - Kits: Alpha | Icon Modifiers | FR kit

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Alpine65 - WoB Hiragana Alpha | WoB Icon Modifiers | WoB novelties

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J-02 - Kits: Alpha | Text Modifiers | Novelties

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S7-Elephant - Kits: Alpha | Icon Modifiers | Novelties

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KBD19X - Kits: WoB Alphas | WoB Icon Modifiers | WoB Novelties | WoB Numpad

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Bear60 - BoW Arabic Alpha | BoW Icon Modifiers

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Neuron - BoW Alpha | Text Monochrome 40s | WoB Novelties

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Austin - BoW Hangul Alpha | Text Monochrome Modifiers | Monochrome Numpad | WoB Novelties




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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: JSaintS on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:28:02
Change Log:

June 6th: added WoB and BoW compatibility for all kits
June 10th: added R2 novelty for full compatibility with boards like the ION x RAMA Zenith
June 30th: added Arabic and Hiragana alpha kits (a change here and there might still happen, but wanted to add them), added R3 "Up" to all modifiers kits, merged Monochrome/BoW Colevrak+ kit, updated the kit renders reflecting the change from flat keys to scooped for the alphas and the numpad kits. Update the confirmed artisans list. Added a couple more renders to the gallery!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: pcire on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:30:58
Nice!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:33:57
Ok so now I have to decided between this and refined and wob and.... f me
Love it. All this new KAT sets are making my life harder

Edit: Actually quick question, is there any chance of offering the international kits in bow/wob too? since those are part of the alphas.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: kajahtaa on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:39:31
R3 pipe for my preonic style layout. Thanks. I love you.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 05 June 2020, 14:59:32
One of my all-time favorite GMK sets gets the KAT treatment. Yes please!

All of the extra compatibility and colorway options are just icing on top of the top-hat–wearing, handlebar-mustache–sporting, cake.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: equalunique on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:03:52
Nice!!!

I'm here for Colevrak, Ortho, and Ergo kits.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: SirTimmyTimbit on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:05:55
I for one would prefer the darkest gray over the darkest black.


Would you offer the white F row keys from the dark modifiers in black too so we can have a complete WoB? Especially since KAT WoB is no more.



Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: BlindFaith on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:11:52
I am here for alphas, modifiers (icons) and novelties.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: syberghost on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:23:26
KAT Goes With Everything
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:37:17
ne fedora graphic avail
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: DrHigsby on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:49:59
IMO, Move the spacebars and function keys from the alpha kit and into the mod kit. I can’t imagine that the number of folks buying black alphas and not a TKL kit will need 8 non consecutive function keys. Make alpha just alphas.

Digging the 40s/ortho kits and the mustache novelties. Any chance of getting the mustache/beard combo onto some 1u in addition to the ISO enter?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 05 June 2020, 16:27:10
Lord have mercy, that Deskmat is a work of art
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: bobaboy on Fri, 05 June 2020, 17:19:21
This is AWESOME. I love that this has novelties, standard KAT font legends, icon mods, all of which KAT Refined is missing.

That being said, I also love the new legend font that KAT Refined uses.

Super hyped for both sets!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 05 June 2020, 20:00:38
Bummer to see OCM suspended WoB. Glad you’re doing 40s and other kits. GLWGB.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: abrokencondom on Fri, 05 June 2020, 20:53:31
Iso beard novelty is great. The term iso beard is very relevant for the recents time too
Love the dapper deskpad
Appreciate the extra kit options!
I need this tuxedo in my keycap wardrobe
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: vsrnth on Fri, 05 June 2020, 20:55:40
The set looks great. Count me in

Any chance we'll see a WoB Colevrak kit?
This will let people who are interested in a completely WoB set with colevrak.

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: Demetri25 on Fri, 05 June 2020, 23:58:43
Definitely will be waiting for this one  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: swarp on Sat, 06 June 2020, 00:58:26
That looks great. But why not add black f1~f4&f9~f12 on modifier kit? I want black f1~f12.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: Joaquox on Sat, 06 June 2020, 02:08:21
So if one wants a full black ortho, you'd have to buy the alphas, ortho and two spacebar kits, since there's only 1 black 1u key. That makes very little sense.


And since you also get spacebars with the alphas, you'd end up with a total of 26 extra unused space bars  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: JSaintS on Sat, 06 June 2020, 03:07:31
Quote from: swarp on Sat, 06 June 2020, 00:58:26
That looks great. But why not add black f1~f4&f9~f12 on modifier kit? I want black f1~f12.

Those keys were added in the alpha kit to not increase the price of the "monochrome" modifier kit. This will be changed now that i'm reworking the kits as OCM cancelled KAT WoB. I'll make sure all kits have a BoW and WoB variant in addition to the Monochrome one (what I call monochrome is white alphas and black modifiers).

Quote from: Joaquox on Sat, 06 June 2020, 02:08:21
So if one wants a full black ortho, you'd have to buy the alphas, ortho and two spacebar kits, since there's only 1 black 1u key. That makes very little sense.


And since you also get spacebars with the alphas, you'd end up with a total of 26 extra unused space bars  :thumb:
This was "on purpose" as KAT Monochrome was not supposed to support full WoB/BoW anything except for what could be covered with alpha+modifiers+numpad. Now that OCM cancelled KAT WoB, I'll be reworking the kits and make a BoW and WoB variant in addition to the Monochrome one :-) Stay tuned!

Quote from: vsrnth on Fri, 05 June 2020, 20:55:40
The set looks great. Count me in

Any chance we'll see a WoB Colevrak kit?
This will let people who are interested in a completely WoB set with colevrak.

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

It is in the works :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: harlekein on Sat, 06 June 2020, 03:46:47
100% in for Colevrak and Ortho.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: Adelscott on Sat, 06 June 2020, 07:28:39
Nice !
French kit included as usual with JSaintS ! You can count me in.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: krzank on Sat, 06 June 2020, 08:35:38
French WoB?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: LordOwen on Sat, 06 June 2020, 09:42:56
This is probably one of the most dapper things I've ever seen!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: vsrnth on Sat, 06 June 2020, 10:20:37
People are reporting misaligned legends and mould issues on the KAT milkshake they've just received  :eek: :eek:
Biip's discord server has multiple reports of the above mentioned issues.

I'm curious, if anything can be done to see that this does not happen with KAT monochrome should it go into GB.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome
Post by: kidviddy on Sat, 06 June 2020, 11:12:39
I love the clean look of this set, and the extensive international support offered by all the kits!

I'd like to suggest one more: please add a "Japan Kit" to this set which adds support for Japanese (JIS) layout keyboards.  Note that I am *not* asking for hiragana legends or anything of that ilk, just support for Japanese layout in the same way that you have a France kit to support French layouts.

I've attached an image of what this would entail for this set.  The space bars are optional -- you already have a 3U in your spacebars kit, for example -- but would be nice to have.  The ◯/× symbols are kind of stand-ins for the actual icon mods they represent; see the keys either side of the space bar in these images for examples:


You could also do away with the icon versions entirely and just go for text mods for these keys. Or you could have Japanese-language versions of these keys (無変換/変換 etc.), but I didn't include these because they didn't seem right for this set.

JIS support is currently severely under-represented in the keyboard community, partly because the MOQ mechanisms involved with traditional manufacturers like GMK require a certain amount of momentum to even get started.  My understanding is that KAT makes this easier by having MOQs based on number of keys across all kits, so even if a kit is less popular, it still contributes to the total MOQ.  This affords us the opportunity to stick our toe in the water with JIS-supporting kits.

It would be especially nice to have JIS support for a clean kit like this, with its neutral colour scheme and simple alphas.  Alpha-only kits (without hiragana sublegends) are very popular in Japan, so I'd love to see more support for JIS in kits that aren't otherwise "Japanese-y" like so many of the hiragana sub- and mono- legends that we've had recently (not that they aren't great too!)

Please do give this request consideration as I really think this set could really lead the way on more general JIS support.  I'm happy to answer any further questions either here or privately / on Discord.

Thanks!
Title: [IC] KAT Monochrome - HUGE kit update (BoW/WoB compatibility added)
Post by: JSaintS on Sat, 06 June 2020, 13:59:54
Hello everyone!

I wanted to thank you all for the support and feedback here/on reddit/on the Google Form (now obsolete due to the new kits). I wanted to ping everyone following as I have listened and have added WoB and BoW variants for ALL kits - hope you enjoy :)


Quote from: vsrnth on Sat, 06 June 2020, 10:20:37
People are reporting misaligned legends and mould issues on the KAT milkshake they've just received  :eek: :eek:
Biip's discord server has multiple reports of the above mentioned issues.

I'm curious, if anything can be done to see that this does not happen with KAT monochrome should it go into GB.

I have seen this online, indeed. I invite all KAT designers to urge Keyrative to get their tooling fixed. I have contacted them (via zFrontier) and have asked an explanation as to what is going to be done to fix the issue. I will comment here when I know what will be done.



Quote from: kidviddy on Sat, 06 June 2020, 11:12:39
I love the clean look of this set, and the extensive international support offered by all the kits!

I'd like to suggest one more: please add a "Japan Kit" to this set which adds support for Japanese (JIS) layout keyboards.  Note that I am *not* asking for hiragana legends or anything of that ilk, just support for Japanese layout in the same way that you have a France kit to support French layouts.

I've attached an image of what this would entail for this set.  The space bars are optional -- you already have a 3U in your spacebars kit, for example -- but would be nice to have.  The ◯/× symbols are kind of stand-ins for the actual icon mods they represent; see the keys either side of the space bar in these images for examples:

  • Filco style (https://www.diatec.co.jp/image_prod/FKB108MCNBR_05.jpg)
  • HHKB style (https://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/leaflet/images/projp_keytop_w_l.jpg)

You could also do away with the icon versions entirely and just go for text mods for these keys. Or you could have Japanese-language versions of these keys (無変換/変換 etc.), but I didn't include these because they didn't seem right for this set.

JIS support is currently severely under-represented in the keyboard community, partly because the MOQ mechanisms involved with traditional manufacturers like GMK require a certain amount of momentum to even get started.  My understanding is that KAT makes this easier by having MOQs based on number of keys across all kits, so even if a kit is less popular, it still contributes to the total MOQ.  This affords us the opportunity to stick our toe in the water with JIS-supporting kits.

It would be especially nice to have JIS support for a clean kit like this, with its neutral colour scheme and simple alphas.  Alpha-only kits (without hiragana sublegends) are very popular in Japan, so I'd love to see more support for JIS in kits that aren't otherwise "Japanese-y" like so many of the hiragana sub- and mono- legends that we've had recently (not that they aren't great too!)

Please do give this request consideration as I really think this set could really lead the way on more general JIS support.  I'm happy to answer any further questions either here or privately / on Discord.

Thanks!

I just finished a big update on all kits - I will take a look at this in a bit :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - HUGE kit update (BoW/WoB compatibility added)
Post by: MacSurfy on Sat, 06 June 2020, 14:22:52
Quote from: JSaintS on Sat, 06 June 2020, 13:59:54
I have seen this online, indeed. I invite all KAT designers to urge Keyrative to get their tooling fixed. I have contacted them (via zFrontier) and have asked an explanation as to what is going to be done to fix the issue. I will comment here when I know what will be done.

Big up! Thank you, and GL!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: pixls on Sat, 06 June 2020, 16:54:02
definitely interested in this since WoB was cancelled, glad to see there's an option for a good clean WoB kit
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Animatedron on Sat, 06 June 2020, 17:11:18
I've literally just signed up to GH just for this kit, I've been hoping for something like this for a while now! Can't wait till this goes live!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: synthtastic on Sat, 06 June 2020, 19:10:10
Quote from: JSaintS on Sat, 06 June 2020, 13:59:54
Hello everyone!

I wanted to thank you all for the support and feedback here/on reddit/on the Google Form (now obsolete due to the new kits). I wanted to ping everyone following as I have listened and have added WoB and BoW variants for ALL kits - hope you enjoy :)


Quote from: vsrnth on Sat, 06 June 2020, 10:20:37
People are reporting misaligned legends and mould issues on the KAT milkshake they've just received  :eek: :eek:
Biip's discord server has multiple reports of the above mentioned issues.

I'm curious, if anything can be done to see that this does not happen with KAT monochrome should it go into GB.

I have seen this online, indeed. I invite all KAT designers to urge Keyrative to get their tooling fixed. I have contacted them (via zFrontier) and have asked an explanation as to what is going to be done to fix the issue. I will comment here when I know what will be done.



Quote from: kidviddy on Sat, 06 June 2020, 11:12:39
I love the clean look of this set, and the extensive international support offered by all the kits!

I'd like to suggest one more: please add a "Japan Kit" to this set which adds support for Japanese (JIS) layout keyboards.  Note that I am *not* asking for hiragana legends or anything of that ilk, just support for Japanese layout in the same way that you have a France kit to support French layouts.

I've attached an image of what this would entail for this set.  The space bars are optional -- you already have a 3U in your spacebars kit, for example -- but would be nice to have.  The ◯/× symbols are kind of stand-ins for the actual icon mods they represent; see the keys either side of the space bar in these images for examples:

  • Filco style (https://www.diatec.co.jp/image_prod/FKB108MCNBR_05.jpg)
  • HHKB style (https://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/leaflet/images/projp_keytop_w_l.jpg)

You could also do away with the icon versions entirely and just go for text mods for these keys. Or you could have Japanese-language versions of these keys (無変換/変換 etc.), but I didn't include these because they didn't seem right for this set.

JIS support is currently severely under-represented in the keyboard community, partly because the MOQ mechanisms involved with traditional manufacturers like GMK require a certain amount of momentum to even get started.  My understanding is that KAT makes this easier by having MOQs based on number of keys across all kits, so even if a kit is less popular, it still contributes to the total MOQ.  This affords us the opportunity to stick our toe in the water with JIS-supporting kits.

It would be especially nice to have JIS support for a clean kit like this, with its neutral colour scheme and simple alphas.  Alpha-only kits (without hiragana sublegends) are very popular in Japan, so I'd love to see more support for JIS in kits that aren't otherwise "Japanese-y" like so many of the hiragana sub- and mono- legends that we've had recently (not that they aren't great too!)

Please do give this request consideration as I really think this set could really lead the way on more general JIS support.  I'm happy to answer any further questions either here or privately / on Discord.

Thanks!

I just finished a big update on all kits - I will take a look at this in a bit :)
I’d gladly buy Hiragana / Katakana alphas if made. I’m that weeb. Otherwise, fantastic job on this entire set. In for so many kits.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - HUGE kit update (BoW/WoB compatibility added)
Post by: D3LTA on Sat, 06 June 2020, 19:38:29
Quote from: JSaintS on Sat, 06 June 2020, 13:59:54
I just finished a big update on all kits - I will take a look at this in a bit :)

Thanks for adding in the multiple colevrak color options!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: amperrsand on Sat, 06 June 2020, 21:13:41
Damn, that's a lot of kits. But MoQ is different with KAT, right?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: synthtastic on Sat, 06 June 2020, 22:14:29
Quote from: amperrsand on Sat, 06 June 2020, 21:13:41
Damn, that's a lot of kits. But MoQ is different with KAT, right?

Yes to my understanding it's # of total keycaps sold, instead of individual kits. Not sure if certain kits are made if they only sell 1 though :P Curious to know now.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: fatboycarney on Sat, 06 June 2020, 22:25:00
Just had to have more kits eh JSaintS?  :p

Beautiful set, a lot of hard work here and those novelties amazing!!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: eskimojo on Sun, 07 June 2020, 02:55:54
Quote from: synthtastic on Sat, 06 June 2020, 22:14:29
Quote from: amperrsand on Sat, 06 June 2020, 21:13:41
Damn, that's a lot of kits. But MoQ is different with KAT, right?

Yes to my understanding it's # of total keycaps sold, instead of individual kits. Not sure if certain kits are made if they only sell 1 though :P Curious to know now.

As long as the overall total MOQ is reached (which is actually based on the sizes of keycaps - a 6.25u spacebar is worth 6.25 units towards MOQ), all kits are made in whatever quantity they're ordered, even if that's only 1. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: modern on Sun, 07 June 2020, 03:17:47
its a great time to be alive for wob options

cant believe im asking for more kits but would love to see uk iso included, couldnt see it in there
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 07 June 2020, 03:26:05
Quote from: modern on Sun, 07 June 2020, 03:17:47
its a great time to be alive for wob options

cant believe im asking for more kits but would love to see uk iso included, couldnt see it in there

Is there anything missing from the ISO kits? If so, which keys would be needed?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: modern on Sun, 07 June 2020, 04:09:08
whoops, nope, i'm just an idiot who didn't spot them in the long scroll   :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: RÖGGELL on Sun, 07 June 2020, 04:35:11
I know you have plenty of kits already, but since KAW WoB has been canceled i'm sure that plenty of pleople would welcome a hiragana kit.

That might not fit in with the theme that you're going with though.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 07 June 2020, 08:37:52
Quote from: JSaintS on Sun, 07 June 2020, 03:26:05
Quote from: modern on Sun, 07 June 2020, 03:17:47
its a great time to be alive for wob options

cant believe im asking for more kits but would love to see uk iso included, couldnt see it in there

Is there anything missing from the ISO kits? If so, which keys would be needed?

Give me a few minutes, until all the images have loaded, and I'll check them.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 07 June 2020, 08:38:55
Quote from: depletedvespene on Sun, 07 June 2020, 08:37:52
Quote from: JSaintS on Sun, 07 June 2020, 03:26:05
Quote from: modern on Sun, 07 June 2020, 03:17:47
its a great time to be alive for wob options

cant believe im asking for more kits but would love to see uk iso included, couldnt see it in there

Is there anything missing from the ISO kits? If so, which keys would be needed?

Give me a few minutes, until all the images have loaded, and I'll check them.

I think he just didn't see the ISO kit ^^
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Shaphyna on Sun, 07 June 2020, 10:09:20
Wanted to join your Discord server but the link is expired  :(
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: dmatx1 on Sun, 07 June 2020, 12:11:20
Wow, this set is awesome. Thanks for supporting both types of modifiers in each color and even in 40% kit :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: DrHigsby on Sun, 07 June 2020, 13:28:05
Great updates!

I believe the 6.25u spacebar in the 40s kits are redundant as there is already a 6.25u spacebar in the alphas kits.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: QuickDelat on Mon, 08 June 2020, 01:01:56
KAT HFO and now this.
You just really want all my money don't you!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 08 June 2020, 04:47:18
I just got an email from Alex @zFrontier about the issues with Milkshake. The email is quite lenghty with a bunch of pictures and screenshots with conversations with Biip.

Long story short, here is a quote from the mail:
Quote
We are in talks with Keyreative at the moment and they agreed on actively providing replacements

misaligned legends, damaged keys, tinted keys: def a QC issue and they will be providing replacements upon individual reports and work on better QC.

I explained I didn't want the same issues on Oasis/HFO/Monochrome and I do believe they will work harder on the QC (as they should, this could easily kill the profile if nothing is done).

Those that want to see the entire email can ping me on Discord with their email and I can forward it to you.

Have a wonderful day guys!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:00:49
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?

(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)

I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all  :( :

(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:02:56
Quote from: nguyenhimself on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:00:49
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)


I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all  :( :

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)


This is something that got required a couple of times already so I'll definitely look into this and I might look into other alternative alphas if requested :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: kidviddy on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:25:35
Quote from: JSaintS on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:02:56
Quote from: nguyenhimself on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:00:49
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)


I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all  :( :

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)


This is something that got required a couple of times already so I'll definitely look into this and I might look into other alternative alphas if requested :)

If you are considering hiragana alphas -- and I'm thrilled that you are -- and if you're using KAT WoB as a guide, I will re-iterate the points I made in the KAT WoB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102755.msg2901637#msg2901637):


These extra keys could either go in with the hiragana alphas kit or in the Japan kit I requested earlier; my preference would be just to include them in with the hiragana alphas as it's not that many more keys and they might be useful for people who don't need the JIS functionality provided by the Japan kit.

If you can manage correct JIS hiragana alphas, *and* the Japan Kit for full JIS support on the original set as well... omg, I am going to be so all-in on this set it's not even funny.  I might even buy two of everything.

As always, I'm happy to answer any questions, either here or on discord.  I tried to click the discord button in your original post but as somebody else mentioned, the link has expired.  I'm kidviddy#3465 if you'd like to get in touch :-)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: harlekein on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:43:26
Wow, so many kits.  :eek:

I'm not complaining, but I was thinking the following:

You could easily reduce the number of kits by merging some of the small overhead. Fox example, if you'd offer both white and black space keys in the black ortho kits (icon and text), you'd have two fewer ortho kits. Some buyers might see it as a bonus that they can go either WoB or Monochome with the same kit. Same goes for Monochrome/BoW Colevrak kits. Those could easily be merged.

For the ISO kits you could do the opposite, merge Monochrome with WoB.

If it doesn't matter to you or your vendors, by all means, leave it as it is. Just wanted to throw this idea out there.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: pcire on Mon, 08 June 2020, 11:36:31
+1 for hiragana alphas
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Radium on Mon, 08 June 2020, 11:43:01
Well done bro. It is simple but very unique. When will gb begin?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: synthtastic on Mon, 08 June 2020, 12:21:17
Quote from: JSaintS on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:02:56
Quote from: nguyenhimself on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:00:49
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)


I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all  :( :

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)


This is something that got required a couple of times already so I'll definitely look into this and I might look into other alternative alphas if requested :)

That would be amazing...
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Upstart5 on Mon, 08 June 2020, 17:38:26
Love that you were able to add the full WoB and BoW kits for 40's! Thank goodness for how MoQ works with KAT. Definitely joining this GB when it's available.

Is there a discord that I can follow for updates alongside GH?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: ilikerustoo on Tue, 09 June 2020, 02:35:49
Any arabic avail?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 09 June 2020, 02:36:14
What are the chances for Katakana alphas?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 10 June 2020, 01:56:21
Quote from: kidviddy on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:25:35
Quote from: JSaintS on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:02:56
Quote from: nguyenhimself on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:00:49
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)


I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all  :( :

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)


This is something that got required a couple of times already so I'll definitely look into this and I might look into other alternative alphas if requested :)

If you are considering hiragana alphas -- and I'm thrilled that you are -- and if you're using KAT WoB as a guide, I will re-iterate the points I made in the KAT WoB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102755.msg2901637#msg2901637):

  • As pointed out by konstantin, replace べ and ぺ with either unadorned ゛ and ゜, or the version with circles or boxes to show placement: ◌゛ ◌゜ (for boxed versions take a look at the Apple keyboard (https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MRMH2J?wid=2000&hei=2000&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1520717502224) or Masterpiece (https://i.imgur.com/5VUtq0R.png))
  • Add an R4 [ー] key
  • Add an R2 [む] key
  • Add an R1 [ろ] key
  • For bonus points, but not essential like the previous four: add an R1 version of the [ー] key as well.  This is handy for 40%/50% ortho users, as well as ISO users potentially, who might want to put it left of the Z if they are using ろ in the top-left.

These extra keys could either go in with the hiragana alphas kit or in the Japan kit I requested earlier; my preference would be just to include them in with the hiragana alphas as it's not that many more keys and they might be useful for people who don't need the JIS functionality provided by the Japan kit.

If you can manage correct JIS hiragana alphas, *and* the Japan Kit for full JIS support on the original set as well... omg, I am going to be so all-in on this set it's not even funny.  I might even buy two of everything.

As always, I'm happy to answer any questions, either here or on discord.  I tried to click the discord button in your original post but as somebody else mentioned, the link has expired.  I'm kidviddy#3465 if you'd like to get in touch :-)
Why make a simple kit more compicated and expensive when it's obvious nobody is buying this to actually type Japanese?
After all, even Japanese folks also use Latin alphas anyway.
It's pure aesthetic.
So: KISS.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 10 June 2020, 08:40:08
Quote from: nguyenhimself on Wed, 10 June 2020, 01:56:21
Why make a simple kit more compicated and expensive when it's obvious nobody is buying this to actually type Japanese?
After all, even Japanese folks also use Latin alphas anyway.
It's pure aesthetic.
So: KISS.

Because: a) correctness matters; b) it's only three extra keys, which makes pretty much no difference; c) some people obviously do use it.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 10 June 2020, 08:48:47
I will try and have a look at that kit in more depth in the coming days and check the different languages asked - if anyone has an .SVG file I could use with those characters already in it (like hiragana, hangul, etc.) it would greatly help me.

In the meantime, I created a discord server so it is easier to share thoughts/requests/etc. It's probably going to be a small discord and I don't expect many people to join, but feel free to hope in :)

>> Discord invite here (https://discord.gg/scmc4R9) (this time it works)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 10 June 2020, 10:49:26
Quote from: nguyenhimself on Mon, 08 June 2020, 05:00:49
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)


I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all  :( :

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)


Have to join the voices asking for mono hiragana alphas kit, would look pretty sick. Also having a monochrome option would be amazing to keep the theme for this!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: vsrnth on Wed, 10 June 2020, 13:43:56
Would it be possible to add the escape key with the skull on it from OneCreativeMind's KAT WoB as a novelty?

My apologies if this request is out of line. I'm only asking because it looks absolutely phenomenal

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 10 June 2020, 15:25:10
Quote from: vsrnth on Wed, 10 June 2020, 13:43:56
Would it be possible to add the escape key with the skull on it from OneCreativeMind's KAT WoB as a novelty?

My apologies if this request is out of line. I'm only asking because it looks absolutely phenomenal

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

That's OCM's logo, I doubt it would be in this set since he did not design it.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 10 June 2020, 16:13:05
Quote from: vsrnth on Wed, 10 June 2020, 13:43:56
Would it be possible to add the escape key with the skull on it from OneCreativeMind's KAT WoB as a novelty?
My apologies if this request is out of line. I'm only asking because it looks absolutely phenomenal

Quote from: Tyson on Wed, 10 June 2020, 15:25:10
Quote from: vsrnth on Wed, 10 June 2020, 13:43:56
Would it be possible to add the escape key with the skull on it from OneCreativeMind's KAT WoB as a novelty?
My apologies if this request is out of line. I'm only asking because it looks absolutely phenomenal

That's OCM's logo, I doubt it would be in this set since he did not design it.

Tyson is a 100% right, I asked if OCM wanted me to include his icon as an homage to him but he said it wasn't necessary and I fully understand it.

Speaking of OCM, he has generously offered to send me the Hiragana Alphas and I'll be putting the kit together tomorrow - I'll also look for the correct legends for other languages :)

Last but not least, I got contacted a couple of days ago to update the novelty kit to add a second R2 novelty to offer full compatibility for boards like the ION x RAMA Zenith board, so here are the updated novelty kits:


(https://i.imgur.com/XCFFlr2.png)(https://i.imgur.com/eFtJePE.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Bl4ck on Wed, 10 June 2020, 17:48:13
hmmn hmmn, ne Salvun keycap avail? :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 11 June 2020, 08:33:45
In terms of sheer versatility this is the most exciting keycap set I have ever seen. Awesome work on the kits
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: vsrnth on Fri, 12 June 2020, 02:55:23
Quote from: Bl4ck on Wed, 10 June 2020, 17:48:13
hmmn hmmn, ne Salvun keycap avail? :)
^^ we need this

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: FellTattooArtist on Fri, 12 June 2020, 22:08:07
You going for the darkest black and with those fonts? sign me in for a full WoB set! i personally prefer your fonts than the refined WoB set! Awesome!


Till when do you plan to run this IC?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Sat, 13 June 2020, 01:52:26
Quote from: FellTattooArtist on Fri, 12 June 2020, 22:08:07
You going for the darkest black and with those fonts? sign me in for a full WoB set! i personally prefer your fonts than the refined WoB set! Awesome!


Till when do you plan to run this IC?

I'm still working on some kits (Alphas) and then I'll send everything to get quotes as, according to feedback, no huge change is necessary - I'll post here the kits I've been working on.

The estimated GB date was/is September 1st, if everything goes according to plan - all vendors have confirmed it worked for them :) But there will be an official announcement when I get the quotes ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: lamonayon on Mon, 15 June 2020, 11:25:28
Definitely interested!  Just joined the Discord group as well!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Radium on Tue, 16 June 2020, 11:09:30
Simple is the best bro :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Yilk81 on Tue, 16 June 2020, 13:53:42
A separate ortho kit from the 40's? Nice!
Colevrak too? Double nice!

Might have to keep a close eye on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: mvkoto on Sun, 21 June 2020, 17:30:25
Just read through both pages of the post - was wondering when I was going to see the japanese kit get put in since I found this post through TX Keyboards' page: https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/.

Side-note, i feel so special since the rama zenith was considered during this process. I just bought the board :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 22 June 2020, 05:29:01
Quote from: mvkoto on Sun, 21 June 2020, 17:30:25
Just read through both pages of the post - was wondering when I was going to see the japanese kit get put in since I found this post through TX Keyboards' page: https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/.

Side-note, i feel so special since the rama zenith was considered during this process. I just bought the board :)

Nice catch ;) I was waiting to have all languages kit available before posting in here (although I've already shared the hiragana renders on my discord).

Here is a list of what will be coming:
* Hiragana
* Hangul
* Arabic
* Zhuyin
* Latin (of course)

I'm going to stop there as I think that represents a nice combination of non latin alphas :)

Quote from: Bl4ck on Wed, 10 June 2020, 17:48:13
hmmn hmmn, ne Salvun keycap avail? :)

This is coming ;) He is excited about the set and we already agreed on him making a key (or two, not sure yet) for the set :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: CrlaoSvloadr on Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:05:41
Some really wonderful things happening here! The plentiful kits is fantastic and I can't wait to see them come to forwishen.
Staying tuned for updates on the upcoming language sets!
Quote from: JSaintS on Sat, 13 June 2020, 01:52:26
Here is a list of what will be coming:
* Hiragana
* Hangul
* Arabic
* Zhuyin
* Latin (of course)
And it gets better! Really good stuff here.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: sevenseacat on Fri, 26 June 2020, 08:30:17
at least with soooo many kits, pricing should be good because MOQ can be stupid high and it'll still be met :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Fri, 26 June 2020, 08:42:55
Hello Everyone,

As of right now, KAT Monochrome is guaranteed to have:
* Latin
* Hangul
* Hiragana
* Arabic

But considering a couple of requests I have had recently, I need your help to decide the last one kit between:
* Zhuyin (Chinese)
* Cyrillic

https://strawpoll.com/2ybggbdz3

Thanks a lot for your time :heart:

If you want to chat or check the progress of the kits/GB in real time, you can join the discord here: https://discord.gg/9eZQcaW
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: SilverJS on Mon, 29 June 2020, 18:27:22
Any updates on this?  Really excited about it, good job OP.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Joaquox on Tue, 30 June 2020, 00:23:04
Quote from: JSaintS on Fri, 26 June 2020, 08:42:55
Hello Everyone,

As of right now, KAT Monochrome is guaranteed to have:
* Latin
* Hangul
* Hiragana
* Arabic

But considering a couple of requests I have had recently, I need your help to decide the last one kit between:
* Zhuyin (Chinese)
* Cyrillic

https://strawpoll.com/2ybggbdz3

Thanks a lot for your time :heart:

If you want to chat or check the progress of the kits/GB in real time, you can join the discord here: https://discord.gg/9eZQcaW

Wow, that's great news! Might snag an extra arabic kit, their letters just look so good!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: alper_maestro on Tue, 30 June 2020, 03:43:19
When will the GB start?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: lakeboredom on Tue, 30 June 2020, 04:22:19
Okay why are there entire mod kits for alternating F keys. Just make kits for alternate F-Row colors instead of entire mod sets.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 30 June 2020, 04:25:03
Quote from: lakeboredom on Tue, 30 June 2020, 04:22:19
Okay why are there entire mod kits for alternating F keys. Just make kits for alternate F-Row colors instead of entire mod sets.

Like that you can get exactly what you want without having to think about getting another F-Row kit and that lowers the amount of keys you will not use :) I know it's only 8 keys, but that is the idea :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: lakeboredom on Tue, 30 June 2020, 04:53:08
Quote from: JSaintS on Tue, 30 June 2020, 04:25:03
Quote from: lakeboredom on Tue, 30 June 2020, 04:22:19
Okay why are there entire mod kits for alternating F keys. Just make kits for alternate F-Row colors instead of entire mod sets.

Like that you can get exactly what you want without having to think about getting another F-Row kit and that lowers the amount of keys you will not use :) I know it's only 8 keys, but that is the idea :)
I see youre thinking, but it also makes it difficult for people who want to use both without buying two sets of mods.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 30 June 2020, 04:58:59
Hello Everyone,


(https://i.imgur.com/wKahKH6.jpg)
Alpine65 - WoB Hiragana Alpha | WoB Icon Modifiers | WoB novelties

I have made a couple of changes to existing kits - here is what changed:

* Added Arabic Alphas (both WoB and BoW)
* Added Hiragana Alphas (both WoB and BoW)
* Added a R3 "Up" key to all modifiers kits
* Merged the Monochrome and the BoW Colevrak+ kit as the only difference was the two backspace keys
* Updated the kit renders reflecting the change from flat keys to scooped (Alphas and Numpad kits - will check what to do for colevrak+)
* Updated the confirmed artisans list
* Updated the render Gallery with a couple more renders :)

(https://i.imgur.com/C5f5zug.jpg)
Bear60 - BoW Arabic Alpha | BoW Icon Modifiers
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 30 June 2020, 05:10:48
Quote from: JSaintS on Tue, 30 June 2020, 04:58:59
* Added a R3 "Up" key to all modifiers kits

oh hell yeah

edit:
any chance of r4 pause being added to the numpad kit, for full 1800 support?  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: CoolMike on Thu, 02 July 2020, 10:37:58
This theme ...... someone grab me a scotch.


Love it JSaint.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Dennyroxsox on Mon, 06 July 2020, 10:49:03
I would definitely be in for this!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: vidoardes on Mon, 06 July 2020, 12:03:02
You son of a *****, I'm in!

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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Binyu on Thu, 09 July 2020, 05:25:59
This looks amazing, definitely going to be watching for these when the GB comes
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: LolChocotaco on Thu, 09 July 2020, 13:42:21
I'm growing a mustache just to match this set.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: anubizs on Tue, 14 July 2020, 08:38:08
Any updates on this? I really look forward on this keysets.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 14 July 2020, 09:36:30
Quote from: anubizs on Tue, 14 July 2020, 08:38:08
Any updates on this? I really look forward on this keysets.

Updates coming soon :) Working on the last couple of kits and getting renders for various alphas before I go live with what should be the last update before getting quotes (with 50+ kits, they'll probably take 3-4 weeks to get the quotes done haha)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Muchacho on Wed, 15 July 2020, 13:46:37
Would it be possible to have more "standard" modifiers kits ?

I actually believe that text + icons are more common than text-only modifiers, which themselves more common than icon-only modifiers.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 15 July 2020, 14:01:06
Quote from: Muchacho on Wed, 15 July 2020, 13:46:37
I actually believe that text + icons are more common than text-only modifiers, which themselves more common than icon-only modifiers.

Not in KAT profile. Every KAT set so far has either been text-only or icon-only. Although icon+text could be something to try out in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Muchacho on Wed, 15 July 2020, 14:09:01
Quote from: konstantin on Wed, 15 July 2020, 14:01:06
Quote from: Muchacho on Wed, 15 July 2020, 13:46:37
I actually believe that text + icons are more common than text-only modifiers, which themselves more common than icon-only modifiers.

Not in KAT profile. Every KAT set so far has either been text-only or icon-only. Although icon+text could be something to try out in the future.

Or now ? :D

Anyway, if it does not happen on KAT Monochrome I will get those of KAT Refined:

More
(https://i.imgur.com/o7F6g7j.jpg)

The only reason I'm not taking KAT Refined is because of the non-centered alpha. But does not bother me that much for modifiers and it's quite usual to see centered alpha + non-centered modifiers.


Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 15 July 2020, 14:41:26
Quote from: Muchacho on Wed, 15 July 2020, 14:09:01
Quote from: konstantin on Wed, 15 July 2020, 14:01:06
Quote from: Muchacho on Wed, 15 July 2020, 13:46:37
I actually believe that text + icons are more common than text-only modifiers, which themselves more common than icon-only modifiers.

Not in KAT profile. Every KAT set so far has either been text-only or icon-only. Although icon+text could be something to try out in the future.

Or now ? :D

Anyway, if it does not happen on KAT Monochrome I will get those of KAT Refined:

More
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/o7F6g7j.jpg)

The only reason I'm not taking KAT Refined is because of the non-centered alpha. But does not bother me that much for modifiers and it's quite usual to see centered alpha + non-centered modifiers.

Unfortunately this is not a style that I really enjoyed and it has always bothered me with GMK keysets. I am probably going to keep it text/icons only but I appreciate the feedback :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 22 July 2020, 08:57:27
Quote from: JSaintS on Wed, 15 July 2020, 14:41:26

Unfortunately this is not a style that I really enjoyed and it has always bothered me with GMK keysets. I am probably going to keep it text/icons only but I appreciate the feedback :)

Thank you! I can't stand text + icon mods.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: tobold on Thu, 23 July 2020, 06:06:03
registered on geekhack just to say this set is great and I'm looking forward to buying it 👍
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: -Jerry- on Thu, 23 July 2020, 06:29:48
So refined and monochromatic.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/PjsLkUgkzVdvXZIVEY/giphy.gif?cid=4d1e4f297qtg6jcynm3wh5q70i7xfj5ryq9gdeh6mtup2cyy&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Thu, 23 July 2020, 07:16:54
Hello everyone!

I hope you and your loved ones are all doing fine - please stay safe out there and wear a mask  :cool:

First of all, thanks for all the support thus far, I really appreciate it!

I wanted to take the time to say that I have been upgrading kits left and right and I hope you'll like it. All kits in the OP are updated so I'll let you go check that instead of posting a ton of images here, but I wanted to mention a couple of changes:

* Updated Ortho kits based off of feedback received from ortho users;
* Updated 40s kits based off of feedback received from 40s users;
* Added the last couple of Alphas, you now have the choice between
    ※ Latin
    ※ Hiragana
    ※ Hangul
    ※ Zhuyin
    ※ Cyrilllic
    ※ Arabic
* Added a R4 Pause key in the numpad kits for OG-1800 boards

I will be sending the kits for quoting today and will try to get the prices as soon as possible. In the meantime, I'm glad to announce the final list of vendors for this set:

(https://i.imgur.com/6XmLL0X.png)

I wanted to thank them all to accept to work on this despite the huge number of kits I'm offering!

(https://i.imgur.com/sM1sMk1.jpg)
Austin - BoW Hangul Alpha | Text Monochrome Modifiers | Monochrome Numpad | WoB Novelties
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: stealthzero on Fri, 24 July 2020, 09:34:53
Holy fk...im so glad I waited to find that perfect set I wanted...and glad I waited.  THIS SET SLAPS  :eek: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: ;D ;D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Sat, 25 July 2020, 11:02:12
Hello Everyone!

New renders provided by the designer of the Viendi 8L (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107608.0) - go check them out!

(https://i.imgur.com/u294urw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ruDBsSR.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/41JcmNK.jpg)

Kits have been submitted for quoting, keep your eyes out and get ready for September!



Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Animatedron on Sat, 25 July 2020, 15:41:13
*Drool* This kit cannot come sooner!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: NTN on Sun, 26 July 2020, 09:48:05
Thanks JSaintS.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 26 July 2020, 12:11:40
Love the numerous kit options that can only work because this is KAT.
Looking forward to Sept.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: kidviddy on Tue, 28 July 2020, 10:08:19
The new renders look great!  Definitely interested in the hiragana and zhuyin kits.  Slightly disappointed that the JIS kit fell through the cracks as I would have loved to have got standard Roman alphas as well, but thanks anyway for taking the time to consider it. I know you were juggling a lot of kits!  Maybe next time.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: popkorn62 on Wed, 29 July 2020, 01:35:10
This set will be a nightmare to me but hopefully everyone can get something they want
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: FellTattooArtist on Wed, 29 July 2020, 17:13:42
Quote from: popkorn62 on Wed, 29 July 2020, 01:35:10
This set will be a nightmare to me but hopefully everyone can get something they want

ahahahaha when in doubt get all kits
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: hiddensong on Sat, 01 August 2020, 22:28:40
So these will all be main alphas (not -sub)? I would like to see qwerty main and -sub different alphas but understand the desire to have each typeface stand out. I need a good solid WoB and BoW set. We'll see how this turns out. gl
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 02 August 2020, 02:38:32
Quote from: hiddensong on Sat, 01 August 2020, 22:28:40
So these will all be main alphas (not -sub)? I would like to see qwerty main and -sub different alphas but understand the desire to have each typeface stand out. I need a good solid WoB and BoW set. We'll see how this turns out. gl

All alt alphas are monolegends. Sublegends do not work as well on spherical top keycaps (such as KAT) as they do on cylindrical ones (such as Cherry).
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Ramengaijin on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:09:55
No chance for ISO enter?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:11:59
Quote from: hiddensong on Sat, 01 August 2020, 22:28:40
So these will all be main alphas (not -sub)? I would like to see qwerty main and -sub different alphas but understand the desire to have each typeface stand out. I need a good solid WoB and BoW set. We'll see how this turns out. gl

To add to what Konstantin said, I much prefer the style of mono legends than sublegends :) I hope you'll still like the set :)

Quote from: Ramengaijin on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:09:55
No chance for ISO enter?

I'm not sure I follow you ^^ ISO keys are in the ISO kits (French, ISO, North, South) - are you referring to something else?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Ramengaijin on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:19:26
Quote from: Ramengaijin on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:09:55
No chance for ISO enter?

I'm not sure I follow you ^^ ISO keys are in the ISO kits (French, ISO, North, South) - are you referring to something else?
[/quote]

Sorry, I meant as in the base modifiers kit!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:24:25
Quote from: Ramengaijin on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:19:26
Sorry, I meant as in the base modifiers kit!

Ah, no, that won't happen. the idea behind the way KAT kits work is that you can create small, inexpensive, kits and even if only one is sold, if the global MOQ is met, everything will be made so you don't have to be afraid a particular ISO kit won't be made, everything will be ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Ramengaijin on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:35:22
Quote from: JSaintS on Sun, 02 August 2020, 07:24:25
Ah, no, that won't happen. the idea behind the way KAT kits work is that you can create small, inexpensive, kits and even if only one is sold, if the global MOQ is met, everything will be made so you don't have to be afraid a particular ISO kit won't be made, everything will be ;)

Oh okay sounds good!
Thx for informing me :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: ILikeShorts on Sun, 02 August 2020, 10:36:05
This set seems to have absolutely everything. Any chance, for a monochrome set, you could add mono-legends to the numbers and special characters?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: FellTattooArtist on Sun, 23 August 2020, 01:46:48
Any updates?
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 23 August 2020, 06:33:51
Quote from: FellTattooArtist on Sun, 23 August 2020, 01:46:48
Any updates?

I am unfortunately still waiting on the quotes - for the moment, the date of September 1st is kept, but we might decide to start a week later if quotes get here too late (we still have plenty of time to get the prices right since all the rest is ready)

I will update here with the prices as soon as I have them :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Thu, 27 August 2020, 02:23:00
Quick update before a bigger one this weekend - quotes from Keyreative came in and vendors are working on them as we speak :) Stay tuned for more info on this!

(https://i.imgur.com/fHEsw5A.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: Cujo96 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 23:28:54
That is an overboard amount of kits my man, vendors are gonna have a bad time.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Fri, 28 August 2020, 03:53:49
Quote from: Cujo96 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 23:28:54
That is an overboard amount of kits my man, vendors are gonna have a bad time.

I fully understand that, but I checked with every vendor back when I was working on all the kits and they all gave me the green light :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: JSaintS on Sat, 29 August 2020, 13:55:48
(https://i.imgur.com/3bG0HM2.jpg)

Hello wonderful people!

I hope your weekend if going great! Here is the final update before the GB starts on Tuesday - Prices!!!

Table is long but everything is in category so you should be able to find what you need fairly quickly :)

(https://i.imgur.com/JdNR2DN.png)

As some of you already know since I announced it on my discord already, there will be no Australian vendor for this sale, I am truly sorry!

If you have any question, please let me know :)

Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: vidoardes on Sat, 29 August 2020, 14:02:30
Great news on the prices, no direct GBP?

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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: JSaintS on Sat, 29 August 2020, 14:03:58
Quote from: vidoardes on Sat, 29 August 2020, 14:02:30
Great news on the prices, no direct GBP?

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This will come shortly, Jae had a week off but the UK prices will be in GBP :)


Forgot to add this to my previous post - Monochrome Salvador!

(https://i.imgur.com/RprmwMS.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: vidoardes on Sat, 29 August 2020, 14:05:42
Quote from: JSaintS on Sat, 29 August 2020, 14:03:58
Quote from: vidoardes on Sat, 29 August 2020, 14:02:30
Great news on the prices, no direct GBP?

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This will come shortly, Jae had a week off but the UK prices will be in GBP :)


Forgot to add this to my previous post - Monochrome Salvador!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RprmwMS.jpg)

Thanks, looking forward to it! Definitely in for this, will look smart on a white Space65

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Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: dmatx1 on Sun, 30 August 2020, 11:41:35
101 euros for an ISO set covering almost everything between 60% and TKL is pretty good price.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: Omarpixel9 on Sun, 30 August 2020, 12:36:10
I'm probably late but the ه character in the Arabic alphas trigger the life out of me.
Is it possible to change it to هـ ?
The one put in the alphas kit right now just looks like an Arabic 5, which just looks wrong.
Basically, ه and shift+j gives you

هـ

VERSUS

ه

WHICH LOOKS LIKE THE ARABIC FIVE

٥
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 30 August 2020, 13:23:37
Quote from: Omarpixel9 on Sun, 30 August 2020, 12:36:10
I'm probably late but the ه character in the Arabic alphas trigger the life out of me.
Is it possible to change it to هـ ?
The one put in the alphas kit right now just looks like an Arabic 5, which just looks wrong.
Basically, ه and shift+j gives you

[...]

Thanks for your feedback. We are looking into it, but can't promise anything.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 31 August 2020, 06:27:11
Hello everyone!

Quick update today - I added Pricing for the UK:
(https://i.imgur.com/gYCjC3Y.png)

Prices for the deskmats will follow shortly but I can already say they will be $17/piece on TX Keyboard and have a MOQ of 50 (per design). Last but not least, I should have pictures from the Salvun keys soon and that should be available tomorrow or soon after the GB launches :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: Animatedron on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:03:33
So pumped for this. Officially my first set and from what I can see, fantastic work.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 31 August 2020, 09:40:53
Quote from: Animatedron on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:03:33
So pumped for this. Officially my first set and from what I can see, fantastic work.

Thanks for the support :D

Here are the Salvun keys that will be available tomorrow :D
(https://i.imgur.com/IwvnRd5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Zh7ahuP.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/q8VkT6C.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: fatboycarney on Mon, 31 August 2020, 12:07:32
Wow what an effort to make this set something for everyone, so much work went into this and congrats, and good luck on the Group Buy (codolences to popkorn :P)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: Nascent on Mon, 31 August 2020, 12:33:14
Definitely getting this for my first build! As an ISO-ES user it's so great to be able to get such an elegant looking keyset with full layout compatibility!
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Mon, 31 August 2020, 15:41:42
Quote from: JSaintS on Wed, 10 June 2020, 16:13:05
Last but not least, I got contacted a couple of days ago to update the novelty kit to add a second R2 novelty to offer full compatibility for boards like the ION x RAMA Zenith board, so here are the updated novelty kits:

Can I be absolutely daft and do a sanity check: what is required to be sure this set will work with Ion Zenith in ANSI? Is it merely a set of
 - alphas
 - modifiers
 - novelties

..?

Thanks to anybody doing the handholding. (...in this age of Covid..!!  :D )
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - huge kit update
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 31 August 2020, 15:46:48
Quote from: FlitzDeelman on Mon, 31 August 2020, 15:41:42
Quote from: JSaintS on Wed, 10 June 2020, 16:13:05
Last but not least, I got contacted a couple of days ago to update the novelty kit to add a second R2 novelty to offer full compatibility for boards like the ION x RAMA Zenith board, so here are the updated novelty kits:

Can I be absolutely daft and do a sanity check: what is required to be sure this set will work with Ion Zenith in ANSI? Is it merely a set of
 - alphas
 - modifiers
 - novelties

..?

Thanks to anybody doing the handholding. (...in this age of Covid..!!  :D )

Yup, that's it :D I updated the novelty kit during the hyperfuse IC to make sure it supported the Zenith and I made the same changes here :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Mon, 31 August 2020, 15:57:54
Quote from: JSaintS on Mon, 31 August 2020, 15:46:48
Quote from: FlitzDeelman on Mon, 31 August 2020, 15:41:42

Can I be absolutely daft and do a sanity check: what is required to be sure this set will work with Ion Zenith in ANSI? Is it merely a set of
 - alphas
 - modifiers
 - novelties

..?

Thanks to anybody doing the handholding. (...in this age of Covid..!!  :D )

Yup, that's it :D I updated the novelty kit during the hyperfuse IC to make sure it supported the Zenith and I made the same changes here :)

Awesome, thanks! Great set.
Title: Re: [IC] KAT Monochrome - GB September 1st! - Update: Prices!
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 01 September 2020, 03:30:32
Hello everyone!

The GB thread is open! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108409.0) I will close this IC now :)

(https://i.imgur.com/2uuctrX.jpg)